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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week.

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Any failure to adhere to these rules will result in your vote(s) being removed. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 126: Guest BlueHighwind Week - Biggs v. Wedge

Biggs Reverse Portrait
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Wedge TAY portrait
WINNER!
Undecided
Unsung, unnoticed, and virtually identical, these are the forgotten heroes of the series. Haven't they suffered enough after their countless deaths? Obviously not! We will see them fight to the death to see who is the better Star Wars reference!

Votes for Biggs

  1. The force is strong with this one.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 17:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. I am voting for Biggs as I am sure I have a Star wars figurine of him. Ultima 18:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. Though I nearly voted for Wedge (and was, in fact, about to click "Save Page" before I changed my mind) because they at least get his name right, I remembered that Vicks has a cooler last name: Darklighter > Antilles. Also, he had a cooler helmet (until the TIE fighter squad blasted it to subatomic particles, and him with it, that is.) The.DreadnoughT 01:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. I don't even care. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. I'll go for the Underdog Rocking Chair
  6. I just wanted to vote Biggs cause he's AWESOME! - User:CloudStrife456
  7. He was the coolest in Final Fantasy VII - so my vote goes to Biggs! - MardukKurios
  8. Glaargh. Okay, Biggs edges it out because...well, I believe a 'Wedge' is a type of golf club. Bangaa Red Mage 09:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. For honor of Biggs Darklighter, who died in the battle over Yavin 4. Finalfreakfantasy 10:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. The man had a epic death in The After Years. --TenzaZangetsu 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. FinalAnnihilator 19:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. Blykus 21:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. I like red :) Mr_Darkside 06:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. He made some pretty hilarrious scenes in VIII, especially when he decided to quit at the last bit. CheeseNinja 06:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. He made sure that Luke survived to take on Darth Vader later in the movies. Go Biggs!74.99.0.248 23:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Wedge

  1. BlueHighwind : The man took out an AT-AT, what more do you need?
  2. He gets to die a more elaborate death in Echoes of Strife. Hey, if we're bringing Star Wars in, we might as well add some FFwiki fanfic. ^^ Condemnation! 8bit 17:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. I was considering voting for Biggs, but I remembered that Gibbs is a dumbass because he hates Chocobos -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. He was one of my favorite players in Blitzball, and he never got his name mistranslated back in the SNES days. ClixPsi
  5. He's just better. --wee187 18:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I like Wedge's color better in The After Years and I guess he has a slightly better name. Let's go with that.--Otherarrow 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. The only Biggs incarnation that I came to like over Wedge was the FFVII one and despite my love for that game the fact that I prefer Wedge at every other game they have been on is enough to get me to vote for him. Celythia
  8. Wedge's name is done right more consistently. (Vicks, Gibbs, etc.) Anyway, I don't really care all this much about this fight, but in FFVIII (one of the few FF's where the two had developed, separate personalities), Wedge is funnier. -Nokareon
  9. Pikmin Master: White Magic. Done.
  10. Wedge was funny in FFVII. ScatheMote 03:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Hes a follower to biggs thats why. GRIEVER POWER 15:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. MrAllStar2: Wedge didnt get his pay at the dollet communication tower :(
  13. Onionknight23 wedgy wedgy
  14. I like his rotund appearance in FFVII Violet mage
  15. At least Wedge is played by Ewan McGregor's uncle! 'Nuff said.--Cluna 06 04:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Wedge has always been one of my favorite Star Wars characters, so since there's not really anything to distinguish between the two in Final Fantasy I'll base my vote off of that.71.187.79.22 19:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Because I thought his name was pronounced "Wedgie" at first. : D

Peanut Gallery

I am aware that this fight was not in any Queued list on the Nomination page, meaning that nobody asked for it. There's even a good chance you might not like this idea. Well, you know how TacticAngel doesn't care? I care that much less. Cry me a river, Space Monkies. --BlueHighwind 16:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I support your apathy, Mr. Highwind, and any heavy-handed judgments to follow -- T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 20:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Pity, we just had quite a few good ones. Exdeath64 18:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Well here's an interesting fight. Not exactly a good one, but it will require some thought. Are we voting based on their Star Wars quality, because if so, I refuse to vote, because I loathe Star Wars. TheBlueDragoon 18:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It is a stupid fight if it's on a Star Wars basis – this was still FFWiki last time I looked – which is why I voted on an FF basis. There is one thing I can't complain about, and that's the fact that at least I managed to vote this time. Several fights lately have been too well-matched or had characters I didn't know well enough -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 18:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

To be sincere I didn't even know that they were a SW reference until this battle came up. I still don't really get it, I guess it's too naive to think that they came up with the names and decided to add them in almost every game on their own without thinking "Hey, let's make a SW reference because SW is so great!", but then again I'm quite naive sometimes. Celythia
This may have been chosen because of the discussion of Balthier (and/or the rest of FFXII) being a reference to Star Wars in the Peanut Gallery of Edgar vs Balthier. Just mentioning my own opinion here, TacticAngel probably has other (better) reasons for it, I'm just pointing it out. The.DreadnoughT 01:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope the reasons behind this fight are more (and maybe better) than that too, even if it was a fight decided because TacticAngel was lazy to check the fights scheduled and was the first thing that came to mind. I would prefer that over the SW reference debate because SW references can be found just anywhere, I remember a guy who went around saying that LOTR by Tolkien was full of SW references. Because SW is so great that it got referenced even before it was created *headdesk* Celythia
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! --BlueHighwind 15:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope TA put this fight because he had a gun in his head and not for the SW references... It would be so... sad *Rai barely remember there was a nomination page or something like that*. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, god. Zak Undersn 18:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Remember when we used to have interesting fights? I wish I did. Drake Clawfang 19:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I wish we did too. This was a bad fight in general, especially on a Star Wars basis. TheBlueDragoon 20:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I love Biggs and Wedge but having them fight just isn't right.Immune to stop 19:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Just proves many people on wiki's are morons. Deal with the facts :> Yay...star wars votes on FFWiki. *eyeroll* BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 21:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not gonna vote on this one. I couldn't care less about Star Wars references, and aside from that, these two are basically the same character to me. JohnnyC

Same for me. Silver Mage 03:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I third what you both just said. TheBlueDragoon 03:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Cannot vote...they are ONE CHARACTER!

I KNOW! LET'S KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CURRENT FIGHT BECAUSE IT'S THE TRADITION EVERY SINGLE WEEK AND WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK OUR MONTHS-LONG STANDARD OF GRIPING OVER EVERY SINGLE MATCHUP EVEN WHEN TWENTY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DONE SO!!!! My God, guys. It's a DNC match. If you're not going to vote, we don't need to know - your absence is sufficient. 8bit 21:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

A statement about a less-than-appealing fact is automatically a complaint? JohnnyC

I would vote for Chewie. Karu

Rocking Chair 11:19am 14 July 2009 (EST) - Is it really that hard? Just vote if you want to, or don't vote. Stop bitching about every single godamn fight!

Who's bitching. I hardly ever write anything here. It just annoys me how anyone stating their mind about this is automatically considered to be whining and complaining. JohnnyC
Everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, bitching or not. This is a shitty fight. Both characters are almost identical. Biggs and Wedge are always background characters or comic relief. They rarely add anything important to the story except when they died in FFVII. We're just stating our own opinions, so you stop bitching over us bitching! TheBlueDragoon 02:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Week 125: BAD FIGHT WEEK V

Penelo v. Rikku

Penelo dancing
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Rikku Poster
WINNER!
Rikku
59 to 22 1/2
Many hate them, some love them, some can't really remember them. Which girl is more popular/less annoying?
Rikku Poster

Votes for Penelo

  1. I guess I feel pity? Hey, Penelo was an awesome mage. ...And she wasn't a crazy hyperactive teenager. ClixPsi
  2. People keep thinking that plot relevance equates to how annoying a character is. Yes, Pen wasn't important. Yes, the story could have gone the same without her but she's not annoying little girl. She's actually pretty down-to-earth. Vaan is also in the same boat as her, no way near as bad as people make him out to be. The A-Man
  3. I am proud to say Penelo was in my party During The Game. Ultima The High Seraph 17:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. I like them both. Therefore, I'm working to even it out.--Werefang 19:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. CookiePinguy 22:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I have more interest to Penelo. Kuzlalala Squee! 04:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. Hearing Rikku's voice makes my ears bleed. At least Penelo could run around with an axe and kill things. Or, y'know, use magic like she was intended for...anyway, this is more a vote against Rikku than for Penelo. Bangaa Red Mage 06:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. Pikmin Master: I haven't played XII, but I still choose Panelo over Rikku. I did, however, played RW and A2. At least I don't necessarily need to use her in the games she's in.
  9. Silver Dragon XXVIII: Her voice does not make my ears bleed.
  10. I don't mind Rikku, but I tend to like the FFXII cast much more than the FFX cast, including that of Penny. --Wee187 18:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 20:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. Penelo is extremely useful in Revenant Wings. She has the unfortunate aspect of being linked with Vaan, but isn't really that irksome. 8bit 22:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. I have names for Rikku none want to hear. Penelo's dance scene made me feel sad in RW Poliwirl100 00:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. Munk451 Hard call, but i had to pick Penelo. Her quickenings are awesome and at least she isn't annoying like Rikku is!
  15. I just don't like Riku... Penelo was kinda cool at tactics a2 OnionKnight23
  16. Pity vote. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. Rinoa leonheart 08:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)O YA go penelo
  18. Rocking Chair 10:41pm 10 July 2009 (EST) Penelo can be made to be useful in battle. Try actually using Rikku in a serious battle. I Dare You!
  19. BlueHighwind Got a sweet ass.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Penelo wasn't half as bad as people make her out to be. "Riven" 89.195.66.70 16:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. First off, Penelo has a better voice. Second, I actually USED her. Rikku annoyed me...a lot.173.50.0.132 23:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. I'd have to say, though I love both characters, Penelo would win simply because she has access to the License Board and the items provided in FFXII. For what's it worth, the spells in FFX and FFX-2 weren't as basic yet varied as in FFXII, so Penelo would be able to weaken and deal damage to Rikku without having to change dresspheres and equipment every few seconds. It'd be close, though (that and Penelo has Quickenings).
  4. I HATE female characters but FFXII is a better game then FFX. 124.179.241.69 11:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. Unlike most people, I have no problem with either character. I don't find Rikku annoying, and from what I've seen of Penelo there's nothing annoying about her character either, just the fact that she pretty much is useless to the plot and if you took her out there would be no difference in the story, other than Larsa wouldn't be able to hit on her. *wink wink* Under normal circumstances I'd probably vote for Rikku myself as I like her character, but I just feel bad for Penelo because she's going to get crushed in this fight and I don't like the senseless bashing of her character so my vote goes to her.71.187.79.22 21:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I have to go with Penelo simply because Rikku is just too annoying. 206.248.109.31 13:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. Penelo has more variety than Rikku. While in both Final Fantsay X and X2 Rikku stays a thief, Penelo totaly changes roles. She is more trustworthy and a better fighter.

Votes for Rikku

  1. Barely. ScatheMote 15:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Penelo is useless. --StragusLore 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. At least Rikku is hot. Drake Clawfang 17:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. They both annoy, but Rikku hot.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 18:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. Rikku has a personality, Penelo does not. Hamfruitcake 09 18:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I will not comment on X-2, but in X rikku was great. She was useful because of mix, she was very plot relevant, and she changed the course of the game once her intentions became clear. Rikku was a great character. Penelo is rather bland. She's not bad, but she rather than being down to earth she doesn't bring much to the table. ChaosEsperVII
  7. There's... --Gamer2127 00:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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  9. This one's easy! I love Rikku, I hate Panelo, as CSM calls her. Violet mage
  10. User:Neosamuel Cute vs less cute. Im going for Rikku, atleast she was cool in Kingdom Hearts.
  11. Such an unfair choice. I go with Rikku simply because my girlfriend and I cosplayed Tidus and Rikku over the weekend TheBlueDragoon 05:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. Just coz she's funny as hell in X-2. CheeseNinja 06:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. Cuz it's fun to mix stuff. AtmaCrisis 07:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. She could steal some pretty decent stuff when she wanted to, she's hot as hell (some would say that about Penelo but I think she looks 12), and she had a personality beyond "My Parents Died In A Giant Cliché." Nevanus 09:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Whatever...Silver Mage 09:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. Rikku cauz shes hot, funny, and was a memorable character in X and still managed to be an ok character in X-2, plus FF is short on alchemists nowadays Wyvern777 10:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. Rikku! She got me out of alot of sticky situations and she has cool eyes. Plus she speaks an awesome language and can steal rare items too! FinalFantasyAerith
  18. I can't not vote for Rikku... FinalAnnihilator 11:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Shes one of my favorite female characters and she always manages to steal the itemDarkShuyin 13:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. She's simply more prominent and more fleshed out as a character. And quite endearing, when you get past the overt exterior. SamSandy 13:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  21. Rikku was an amazing and believable character who actually had some motivation to journey with the rest of the party and had a significant relationship with more than one member of the group. Also she had the best mix of abilities ever in X and had the most complex characterization of the girls in X-2.Jackrandall1 15:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. Unlike Penelo, she had a personality. Also much less annoying.Neo Bahamut 14:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  23. Dunno who Penelo is....Bruntie2 15:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  24. Ever since the first chapter of X-2, Rikku has been my favorite female Final-- my favorite female VIDEO GAME character ever! --Roxasxiii 16:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  25. Oh god, definately RIKKU! she blonde, hot, and in x-2 in a bikini. did i meantion she's hot and blonde?
  26. Leonhart178 17:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  27. Blykus 18:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  28. As anyone who has read my entry on the Torture forum will know, I hate Penelo beyond all meaning of the word. She is basically the FFXII version of Rikku (meh), Yuffie (hiss), Selphie (ack!), and Eiko (Aaaaaaaaargh!), only worse in every single way. I could tolerate Rikku, even liked her for a while, but Penelo... The Man In The Black Cape 20:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  29. OMG OMG OMG this is such my kind of battle! Rikku 100%! My favorite FF character :> But I like Penelo too...Though Rikku is #1 BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 20:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  30. Penello barely seemed to have much to do in her game. Rikku at least provided comedy. (And she probably became Square's number one centerfold. ;P) JohnnyC
  31. Both are annoying; Penelo is far more annoying. And I actually find it quite funny when Rikku uses "Luck" and her animation is timed with the battle music (as though she can hear it- breaking the fourth wall is funny) Penelo never does anything remotely near breaking the fourth wall in any way, much less such a creative way. Finally, Rikku is actually useful now and then, whereas Penelo can sit there, out of the party, for most of the game and not be missed. In fact, the few times I've bothered putting her in the active party, I regretted it very quickly. The.DreadnoughT 22:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  32. Swirly eyes = Awesomeness! 'nuff said - Sencilia
  33. FFX Characters > FFXII Characters - Henryacores^ 02:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  34. I kinda HATE Penelo and Rikku was the best in FFX-2 Mr_Darkside 17:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  35. Rikku is a million times better than Penelo. Rikku had her annoying moments, but Penelo just flat out sucks!Soren 4ever 16:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  36. RIKKU BITCHES -ahem- Yeah, I love her. Yzz 21:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  37. Rikku. She's the fastest character that I've seen on any FF game. She'd go two or three times in Penelo's one. SpekzWink 23:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  38. Has to be Rikku as she plays a part in the story for more that 5 minutes R-o-b-s-t-a-r 23:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  39. I loved Rikku(not as much in 10-2)and i think she is WAY better then PeneloNeoExdeath 23:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  40. Rikku is WAY better than Penelo. At least I used her in my games, unlike Penelo. Destriker73 09:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  41. Vampyro entertaiment 09:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Rikku is usefull, she has nice eyes, and there is more then just her happy go lucky style, penelo is just wierd and ugly.
  42. She's more usefull than penello... well a tiny bit- Saraija Merinas
  43. She is an overall better person then Penelo. User:Yuna360
  44. Gokus789 Penelo was boring compared to Rikku. Don't know why people are hating on her for being hyperactive. Its annoying on boys but not girls. I happen to like hyperactive girls because one thing they're not is boring. Besides her outfit in X-2 was HOT
  45. Rikku would absolutely destroy her. I used Penelo for running around in XII, because she wasn't very annoying, and her trousers looked awesome. But yeah, Rikku would kill her faster than Penelo could say "Balthier, help me!"
  46. Cryss Leonhart Temptation to pity vote Penelo aside. I didnt care for XII, I didnt care for Penelo, X was the first game I played so did she honestly have a chance?
  47. Nirvana Phoenix Rikku is my Number 6 fave FF character, Penelo doesn't even come close
  48. Sootheslayer Rikku was the shiz! she is so pretty and spunky! And at least Rikku was useful, very useful actually, Penelo was dead weight and ugly.
  49. Rikku ish Sexy! And in X-2 shes strong. Shame about being weak in X. --Zack fair 007 04:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Rikku's got spunk; spunk can go a long way. Penelo's just too vanilla ~an anonymous voter.
  2. Rikku was voiced by Tara Strong. Need to say more?
  3. Rikku is less annoying than penelo, also a better character
  4. Rikku kicks ass :)Best FF girl for personality
  5. As a fan of both, I must say 3 things. 1 Rikku is hotter, and dresses sexier. 2 Rikku's voice acting isn't as annoying as Penelo's. 3. Rikku the typical upbeat blonde, so she rocks, cause she tries to keep everyone happy.
  6. Rikku is vastly superior to Penelo in every way possible.
  7. Rikku is more useful than Penelo and less annoying.
  8. Rikku had a reason to be in her party; protect and try to save her cousin...Penelo was just with the group cos Vaan was and even he had no good reason to go with them all.
  9. This one was hard...I like them both but Rikku had meaning in the game and Penelo was like a backgroud character. so I'm voting for Rikku! ^o^
  10. Anyone willing to dress up like Cait Sith for battle gets a point from me.
  11. Rikku could be a bit annoying sometimes, but Penelo is...useless!
  12. 76.204.144.193 15:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. Unfortunately I never got to play FFXII so I really don't know Penelo like I do Rikku. Rikku's helped me out of quite a few nasty boss battles with her Mix ability and she's become faster than Tidus. Plus she had her funny moments to keep me laughing at a depressing cut scene, on both FFX and FFX-2. I vote Rikku. Al Bhed Rules!
  14. She actually impacted the plot.
  15. She didn't just "go along for the ride with my boyfriend", she actually did something. 98.115.1.45 23:02, 8 July 2009. Oh yes, can people stop stealing my IP address it's really annoying. Well that's how my Versus XIII vote got deleted... bastards
  16. rikku had a knowledge of technology, great swimmer/blitzball athlete, SUPER FUCKING SEXY, and SHE COULD USE THE MUG ABILITY, try with all penelo's might she will never attack and steal in the same command line. -ghostboy
  17. It felt like Penelo was tacked on instead of Rikku who had a purpose. Rikku even acted on what she thought was the right thing to do as opposed to Penelo who just waited on the side lines.
  18. Rikku would actually do something in the plot and in battle, Penelo did nothing, except languish on the reserve bench and get free LP for doing nothing. Plus Rikku just looked better
  19. You want to compare someone from X to someone from XII? In XII there were only really two characters that mattered to the overall plot. In addition to that, the beginning kind of focused on Vaan. But there was little to nothing on Penelo, Basch and Fran. On the other hand everyone with the exception of Lulu at least had a moment in X. There were a lot of times in XII when I've wondered what they were thinking. -Iago
  20. In FFX any charcter can use any move, but Rikku was special because of "Mix". With "Wings of 9999" she could make her whole team do 9999 DMG with every hit. WOW!

Peanut Gallery

As a fan of both these ladies, I'm proud to say that I cannot decide between the two. Penelo is actually a down-to-earth girl who has lost more than her parents and has the guts to keep Vaan in line. As for Rikku, she may be hyper-active but she's actually very protective of her people and her beliefs. Sure, X-2 kinda ruined her but still. I'll decide when the time comes.--Cluna 06 18:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to vote to the most empty character in the series and in many other RPGs. If were the FFX's Rikku, maybe she would get my vote. But never for the idiot for-fapers character she becomed in FFX-2. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 19:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Great. Another one I can't decide. Penelo has great mage stats, and like Vaan I don't hate her like other people inexplicably do. Rikku is one of my favourite "bubbly ditzes" and while she can be annoying, that's usually taken as a given for Nomura's bubbly ditzes. Both are pretty hot, though Rikku is more so. Sure X-2 made Rikku less likeable, but at least it didn't make her less useful like Revenant Wings did to Penelo. But then Penelo is classed as a viera in TA2, which trumps all. This is too difficult... too many conflicting issues... can't make up mind... -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, what the hell. And to anon's vote nº1 for Rikku: Yes, you have to sign. Zak Undersn 20:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

You know what I have to say again? No? Then here it is:

"SIT DOWN IN THAT CHAIR AND SIGN YOUR GODDAMN VOTES!"

If you vote and do not sign, anonymous or not (though you anonymous people are the ones who are still showing this problem) then it will not count. So you know how to do it properly, when you are voting, it should look something like this:

# This is an example of a properly signed anonymous vote that will count and therefore not be a total waste of time and effort. ~~~~

When you click Preview, it should look something like this:

  1. This is an example of a properly signed anonymous vote that will count and therefore not be a total waste of time and effort. 1.2.3.4

(the above comment was added by The.DreadnoughT at 23:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC))

well, thanks, since I'm new, I hope you give me a little leeway. SpekzWink 01:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Well, you did vote properly, anyway; unsigned ones don't seem to be deleted until the fight ends anyway, just in case the voter realizes they forgot to sign at some point. I once did that on the nomination page, and I'll admit it, because I fixed it. But you should be voting as a registered user, not an anony. No big deal, and I'd move it for you but I'm not sure I've the authority to. The.DreadnoughT 03:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, this one is a hard one to decide. Penelo has FFXII's battle system, which makes it impossible (or close to) to say that a particular character sucks in battle because it's not their fault, it's yours. Rikku is the better looking of the two, but she was my weakest character in both the games she was in (in all fairness, Penelo is my weakest in FFXII, but not in FFXIIRW), and thiefs aint that good. I'll probably vote after I have thought on it some more.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 00:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Dude idk if its a joke or something, but why are you using my name? Xlatinsorax 03:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh what fools you mortals be ^_^  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Although X-2 Rikku was annoying (but not a complete ret con, lelt me emphesize that), she's still a Hell of a lot better than Penelo. Coupled with FFX Rikku, it's no contest.Neo Bahamut 15:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You may be glad that I decided to be brief, but not completely explanatory in my vote for Rikku. Sure, I could have given a full account of the reasons why I hate Penelo, and why I like Rikku slightly better, but that would have broken the internet. Lets leave it at this. Maybe I'll elaborate on my Userpage someday. The Man In The Black Cape 20:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Both of these girls remind me of the Olson Twins. Just saying. Mask no Oni 06:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice, I've voted on three losing sides in a row. Bangaa Red Mage 08:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Why has Armageddon signed his post with my name(eeven though its in a much larger font, bold, and with caps) ? The Man In The Black Cape 08:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait, given that Xlatinsorax sees the same thing, I'm assuming that the name takes that of the user looking at it. That must require hella lotta coding. The Man In The Black Cape 08:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Not really. I used it many times on my userpage; all you need to do is put the following code in:
<span class="insertusername">User</span>
and you get this:
User
The part saying "user" should be replaced with whatever you want it to say for an anonymous (or just not logged in) user. The.DreadnoughT 13:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. So that's why my username was doing that. I'll have to try that sometime. I still want my own customized signature with a little picture of Kain, but I have no clue how to do so... TheBlueDragoon 03:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Its time I gave my comments. Ok, anyone you ask about me who I like more between these two lovely ladies will tell you I have a hell of a time choosing between them. Rikku is the epitome of sexy. Penelo is more reserved and quiet than Rikku, but both girls hold places in my heart. At least Rikku has the purpose in the story. Penelo... not so much. Penelo makes one hell of a fighter and mage. Her stats are fairly well rounded. Why do I like these girls? Simple. Rikku reminds me of my girlfriend, and so does Penelo. Anyway, yeah... Both girls are my favorite. This fight was more unfair than Rydia versus Quistis. TheBlueDragoon 03:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Rydia v. Garnet til Alexandros XVII

Dnc v
Garnet Til Alexandros XVII character
WINNER!
TIE
44 to 40 1/2
Two of the series' most beloved summoners from two of the more old-fashioned game. Their peculiar taste in clothing aside, which of these ladies can summon the victory? Q?

Votes for Rydia

  1. It's Rydia, the best summoner in the series, versus Garnet, the worse summoner in the series. Also, black magic>white magic. ClixPsi
  2. Does this surprise anyone? Seriously, does my voting for Rydia shock anyone at all? Drake Clawfang 17:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. I kinda like both, but at least Rydia has enough MP to summon to begin with, and she also has a voice in a DS version. So cheers.--Cluna 06 18:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. I like green hair girls.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 18:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. Both are lovely & awesome and I like them, but Rydia is Rydia. As a battling character and as a character herself, she is much better than Garnet. BTW, Garnet isn't the worse summoner in the series, Yuna has that title. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 19:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. Favorite character from IV. ChaosEsperVII
  7. CookiePinguy 22:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. Meh.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 00:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. Sorry Garnet but Rydia has me WHIPPED! Xlatinsorax 03:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. Kuzlalala Squee! 04:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Do I really need to say anything. It's Rydia, the ORIGINAL summoner. TheBlueDragoon 05:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. I...just don't like royalty. (Reads own vote below) Royalty that don't use crossbows or chainsaws. Bangaa Red Mage 06:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. i vote for the original, non-generic summoner... plus... green ROCKS!!! AtmaCrisis 07:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. Wah-TCHH! Yeah, that was my pathetic attempt at whiplash onomatopoeia. Nevanus 09:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Rydia is the only Summoner who uses Black Magic, not to mention she's probably the only character that can be both cutest and sexiest since she get to be a child and an adult in the same game.
  16. I never played IX so im picking Rydia. DarkShuyin 13:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. She has more sass and spunk, plus she wears all-green. She also has truly green hair, unlike Terra. SamSandy 13:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. Pikmin Master: Well...I don't really use Garnet that much. My final party choose Eiko ever Garnet. Rydia, however, is (mostly) stuck as a useful party member. 15:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Garnet as a character in each and every way annoyed the heck out of me..... not being able to summon at the beginning but teasing you with the option on the list.... her stupid decisions... Rydia on the other hand never annoyed my and do I love her in the DS version of IV! --Roxasxiii 16:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 20:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  21. Rydia is my favorite character from IV not to mention I always found her more useful in the game than I did Garnet. When Eiko came along, Garnet was never used. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 20:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. She's pretty. She has a whip. End of. The Man In The Black Cape 08:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  23. Since I've played neither IV nor IX, I'll go with the original summoner. The.DreadnoughT 14:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  24. IV wasn't half bad, and honestly you get to see Rydia grow (literally) throughout the game. [ User: chaosshaun]
  25. I like them both, and though I like IX better than IV, I like Rydia slightly better than Garnet.Soren 4ever 16:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  26. Wow, I was just about to say exactly the point of what the vote above me says... >.< Except that I love Rydia and only like Garnet, of course. Yzz 21:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  27. Destriker73 01:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  28. Rydia is a better then Garnet in every way. Rydia>Garnet. Black Magic>White Magic. Garnet is a loser. KaiserPaladin 07:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  29. Rydia is the original and the best summoner... Onionknigh23
  30. Uh.... - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  31. Both went through a large change 3/4s through the plot. Rydia's actually did something significant Ningacom 23:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  32. As much as Garnet was awesome, she was a bit cliche. FFIV was the first video game I ever played. It's still a hard choice for me though. -Nokareon
  33. 3155
  34. The mage from the best FF game gets my vote. RowdyCMoore
  35. --Maverick King 20:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Rydia, hands down. Garnet never stood a chance & in a serious battle i'd rather have Rydia on my side than some naive damsel. Plus Rydia's summons are way cooler. ~anonymous
  2. Garnet, you know I love you babe, but I just can't vote against my Rydia. This was definitely the hardest fight in the DNC to decide upon as I love both of their characters, but like I said I just can't vote against Rydia. She's such a little badass.71.187.79.22 16:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3.  !Viva la Rydia! 121.214.97.134 07:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. Rydia is flat out the most dominant and game changing player in the game. There was never a character in any FF games that I relied more on to succeed. And once she got Bahamut, it was truly all over but the crying.SpekzWink 01:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. Because Garnet sucks and Rydia's summons are strong and have cool scenes in the DS remake. 124.179.241.69 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. She's hot in DS fully animated form (Not retarded chibi form)
  7. Rydia was the only classed Summoner that used black magic as well; she wasn't one of those little priestess-esque maidens she had BALLS and could still be a force without her summons.
  8. Garnet is rubbish to me i hated her but rydia is more cool and more powerful!!!!!
  9. I haven't really come to terms with FFIX, but Rydia's helped me alot with her summons, and her black magic makes her force to be reckoned with while most other summoners use white magic. Plus she's pretty cool. I vote Rydia!
  10. This was really tough but then I remembered that few have mentioned (reads vote above while typing) Their secondary ability. In that Rydia wins hands down. IV didn't have a true black mage that stuck with you to the end and Rydia filled that role nicely. Rosa and Cecil had healing covered so Black Magic was a nice compliment to the Summons when I didn't feel like spending that much mp to make her useful in normal battles.
  11. Yeah, this fight is easy as well. Rydia would destroy her. Age is nothing compared to her hilarious ability to summon. Rydia would be puffing on an Odin spell while Garnet would be accidentally casting Esuna because you scrolled down one line too far.

Votes for Garnet

  1. ScatheMote 15:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. I like both. I was introduced to Garnet through IX first. --StragusLore 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. After a certain point in IV Rydia becomes less cool. At least Garnet can be taken out of your party eventually. Also, She can use Black Magic instead? Big Deal. If she were a Male Summoner Character that would be interesting. Anony
  4. Faethinte audio has never actually understood what's all the hype about Rydia.
  5. The Princess has a more interesting story IMO plus her haircut is much cuter. Hamfruitcake 09 18:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I like both Rydia and Garnet, but Garnet's character is more developed. Zak Undersn 20:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. a... --Gamer2127 00:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. Template:BfDsig
  9. Mmm...another fight I feel bad about voting in because I haven't played FFIV yet (next on my list, though). I thought that Garnet was a strong heroine though, so aye. Violet mage
  10. Garnet doesn't need remakes to make her awesome. And besides, Ark pwns... nuff said. CheeseNinja 06:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Silver Mage 09:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. Because she actually has a character and doesn't get all the fame because an old man said that she has someone whipped. FinalAnnihilator 11:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. Dunno who Rydia is, and Garnets pretty cool Bruntie2 15:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. The choice was difficult, so I went with which game I liked better. Silver Dragon XXVIII 17:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Garnet can summon Shiva. Leonhart178 17:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. Garnet gets my vote, she is maybe the best female heroine of all final fantasy being not to much frail and along with Aeris who can take her own decisions.That said, battle-wise i tend to notice that Garnet is not a regular mage insofar as more than being magically strong she is quite decent on the physical side,regarding strength(towards the end) and especially HP which Rydia totally lacks.Finally Garnet has most of(at least the handy ones:Asura=crap) Rydia's summons whereas Rydia lacks Atomos and Ark Badag 17:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. Blykus 18:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. I could never get used to Rydia being older after she came back. Garnet's a strong, firm princess that has much more importance, and much more of a personality. --Wee187 18:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Garnet is my favorite female lead, and the image being used in my favorite character render. Her character is the epitome of grace and serenity. 8bit 22:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. User:neosamuel Garnet is one of the few princesses I like in any media. So she gets my vote.
  21. I can relate to Garnet more than I can Rydia Poliwirl100 00:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. I vote Gaernet because I knew her first and I just love the fact that she can be so clueless when acting like a normal girl. - Sencilia
  23. Everyone knows Garnet is THE Summoner. Or White Mage. Or both. Whatever - Henryacores^ 02:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  24. Aint played the FF game that the other one is in so Dagger wins for me Mr_Darkside 17:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)# This chick's got Ark. And Ark was killer cool too. Mask no Oni 06:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  25. FF9 all the wayNeoExdeath 00:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  26. Munk451 I haven't played FF4, so there.
  27. I vote for Garnet, she's far better summoner. Josep --JosepMMS 12:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  28. Vampyro entertaiment 09:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Garnets character and story are one of the best in the whole series, and one of the saddest.
  29. I like both. She's losing so... Karu
  30. Ultima 08:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  31. Rinoa leonheart 08:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)O YA go garnet
  32. FFIX has the bests characters Trindadex 16:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  33. Garnet, she had a much more interesting personality and story than Rydia. MaesterTonberry 17:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  34. Skoot85 just cuz
  35. I like her and IX better- Saraija Merinas
  36. User:Nirvana Phoenix: Garnet has a lot more character development, mostly due to the PSone games having longer scripts. Rydia is probably better Summoner because of Dragon but Garnet goes from crafty yet naive princess to mature woman
  37. BlueHighwind Got a sweet ass.
  38. "Got a sweet ass" <-------This.--Zack fair 007 04:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I vote Garnet. But Rydia was cool too. Even though i think she becomes a bit less interesting once grown up. Garnet is a constantly evolving character, and that's why she gets my vote!
  2. She was cool
  3. I liked Rydia she as hot, but garnet had style and she was useful at the start unlike rydia who was only good near the end. and ClixPsi can suck it.
  4. Garnet rocked :)
  5. Well I never played IV and Garnet Rules!! ^o^
  6. Who the hell is Rydia?
  7. Rydia stroke my heart, but Garnet is a Real Protagonist!
  8. As much as I love Rydia, Garnet is more interesting, with a more interesting story. 206.248.109.31 13:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. Garnet has a personality. You know what Rydia has? Stupid clothes!
  10. It's less awkward saying a 16 year old is hot as opposed to a 7 year old who magically became 20. Plus her story was better.
  11. Well seeing as Rydia wen't for being a cute little kid to some real cute chick with a change of system, I think Garnet is cuter.
  12. Best Final Fantasy lead woman.

Peanut Gallery

SIGN YOUR GODDAMN VOTES AND THEN DRINK YOUR GODDAMN TEA! Seriously, these damn anonymous voters piss me off! Why waste our time and your own? Ok, now that the rant is out of the way, this was another hard fight to vote on. TheBlueDragoon 03:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well Fae, why do you like Quistis? Drake Clawfang 18:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know. I think it was a character I kind of related to back when I first played VIII. I've always thought that she did good with what little time she was given before Squall and Rinoa took over. That and I've always liked smart girls with glasses. Faethinte audio 04:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah, interesting response. Drake Clawfang 05:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Both are over rated. Not voting.--Werefang 19:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I shall make teh fanboys butthurt when I say Rydia has about as much importance as a blade of grass. Oh, and she spent her puberty in furryland. Template:BfDsig

Yikes, it seems like I pissed off someone. Sorry, but Eiko's the better summoner in FFIX. Since summons need their full-animation to deal full power in IX (which was fairly rare), Dagger's attack summons just didn't have the impact necessary to make up for the MP cost. Eiko, on the other hand, had a full set of White Magic and hade some good support summons. If this was Rydia versus Eiko, then I might go with Eiko due to her being an overall useful character. Plus, at least Rydia didn't have a random silent effect mid-game like Dagger. Just what we need, a mage that can't use magic. ClixPsi

Both Eiko and Garnet are useless if you know how to use blue magic, period. Also, where Garnet loses her speech, Rydia disappears. Zak Undersn 09:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
@Clixpsi: She's lost her voice, but isn't under Silence. She can still use her magic. Besides, whether or not Eiko is better than Garnet is immaterial, as Eiko isn't in this fight. @Zak Undersn, Eiko is one crazy useful bitch with Holy. While Quina's Blu Mag is indeed very useful, only a couple of its spells are actually exceptional, but they don't really match up to Holy -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 10:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
What do you need holy for when your enemies' ass has been raped already? I never missed white/black magic using Quina Zak Undersn 19:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC).
First of all, "rape" + "Quina" within 10 words of each other = very wrong. Secondly, do you mean to say you neglected Vivi? That makes you a heathen -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Technically, they're 24 words apart. I counted. The.DreadnoughT 22:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
...raped —1→ already? —2→ I —3→ never —4→ missed —5→ white/ —6→ black —7→ magic —8→ using —9→ Quina. That's nine, which is as I said, "within ten". Where on Terra did you get 24 from? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 09:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Must have had an idiot-moment. I counted from where you said "Quina" to where ZU mentioned the word "rape"; I didn't bother looking after it, and did not realize ZU had said "Quina" nine words later. The.DreadnoughT 00:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Are you talking about Zu? Har har, I'm so funny. Zak Undersn 13:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I did not neglect Vivi. In fact he was the only character (aside from my battling party) for which I bought (and looked for) all weapons and worried to be able to teach him all abilities. I just didn't need him on my party. Zak Undersn 22:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
@Clixpsi: Don't worry, you didn't. If you're talking of the "full" battling character, I cannot compare Garnet and Eiko, because I didn't use the blue-haired enough. But if you're talking about only summons, Garnet's much better than Eiko by far (Bahamut!), and at least I didn't have MP problems. Anyway, I don't want to start a Garnet vs a character who isn't in the battle, I simple don't consider Garnet a bad summoner. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 16:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Incidentally, what's so weird about Garnet's outfit? Even if it is a little odd, which I don't think it particularly is, it's nowhere near Rydia's "peculiar taste in clothing" -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 10:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Garnet's clothing can only be called peculiar when she's in Trance, then she gives (aged)Ryd a run for her money. Otherwise her normal attire is no weirder than Cloud's purple pajamas. AnonyMan

where did all of Garnet's votes go? Hamfruitcake 09 09:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It's back now, thank goodness.... CheeseNinja 12:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Edgar Roni Figaro v. Balthier

Dnc v
WINNER!
Balthier
49 to 35 1/2
They can charm the ladies with their looks and thrash enemies with a barrage of bullets and bolts. Which of these dashing dons is the true leading man?

Votes for Edgar

  1. You thought I was going to vote for Balthier. ScatheMote 15:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. At least he isn't a Han Solo ripoff. --StragusLore 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. Paraphrasing that last voter. He isn't a LAME Han Solo Ripoff. Nah, Balth is cool, just not that cool he IS from XII after all. Edgar's got him beat in all categories. Besides Sabin>Fran as a related character. AnonyMan
  4. Faethinte audio loves the Figaro Chainsaw massacre guy.
  5. Balthier is the only character I really like from XII, but he's too much stereotypical and Edgar is too much Edgar. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 19:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. Why would I vote for Balthier? Zak Undersn 20:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. CookiePinguy 22:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. ......."How old are you?"....... Sorry Balthier but Edgar just stole the show. I always had him in my party while Balthier was eventually replaced by Fran in my party in XII. Plus VI>>>>>>>XII! Xlatinsorax 03:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. Chainsaw. CHAINSAW! Also, you could change Edgar's goofy name...not so with Balthier. Besides, I always viewed Edgar as a Drill-toting Archer, and...I like archers. Bangaa Red Mage 06:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. FF6 bias... AtmaCrisis 07:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Aww... come one now? I never actually saw Balthier flirt random women... ;) FinalAnnihilator 11:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. I'm not particularly fond of VI, but it shames me to see that Edgar is losing. He was more useful had more of a point to him.Neo Bahamut 14:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. Pikmin Master: Does Balthier wield a chainsaw? I don't think so. Besides, I don't like guns. Edgar, although not as useful or versatile as Balthier (and I usually vote for the versatile choice), I'd go for Edgar. Like others said, Balthier is a lame Han Solo. Edgar, however, is a good Bruce Wayne. 15:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. Hey! Come on! Edgar just can't lose to this merely stereotypical dude! Edgar is a lot cooler and is a remnant of a lost epoch where the games where beautiful... Ezupio 16:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Blykus 18:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. Hmm, sorry Balthier. Might have picked you if I owned XII. Edgar has chainsaws and hockey masks. 8bit 22:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. He has a monk for a twin. Need I say more? Poliwirl100 01:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. Again, FFVI Characters > FFXII Characters. - Henryacores^ 02:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Did I mention how much the earlier FFs own the later ones? 210.24.110.38 15:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. Dont like Balthier that much coz he took Vaan's spot 2 much so I'll vote foe Edgar instead Mr_Darkside 17:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  21. I want Edgar to have my baby. Yzz 21:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. Edgar is the real Final Fantasy ladies manNeoExdeath 00:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  23. I'll vote for the original... i hate Balthier for stealing the spotlight from Vaan.... OnionKnight23
  24. I hate every single FF after 6 (ok not X) but still im tired of people who are new to the series ignore all FF before 7 i started with 7 and tried all of them before and 6 was the most original of all and edgar is one of my fav. characters take that han so-i mean blathier
  25. Edgar made it to my final party...Balthier didn't. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  26. The only playa in any ff who wasn't a colossal faggotNingacom 23:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  27. Cloudiroth The only FF character badass enough to use a chainsaw. Not even Auron was that BA.
  28. I like Balthier too but Edgar is The Gentleman, and he has more sex appeal. Karu
  29. Gotta go with the FFVI guy who makes his own tools RowdyCMoore
  30. User:Nirvana Phoenix Balthier was the best character in XII but his relationship with his father wasn't examined enough, the brotherly relationship in VI was better developed.

Anonymous Votes

  1. hoo boy, this is a tough call. Both can hold their own in a fight, but ultimately Balthier gets dragged down by the lameness of his allies. Edgar wins! ~anonymous
  2. Oh, c'mon!! Il Signore Edgar Roni Figaro vs THAT?!! And I thought my jokes were bad!
  3. Edgar is quite clearly superior, and from a superior game.
  4. Edgar gets my vote solely for the 'He'd slit his own Mommas throat for a nickel!' line in the SNES XD.
  5. Edgar is simply better than Balthier. That's all. And also, FF6>>FF12.
  6. 164.58.59.30Edgar has many more awesome tools than Balthier, so Edgar all the way!!! User Anonymous
  7. Balthier isn't a bad character, not at all, but if I'm going to vote for Han Solo I'll vote for the original. In any case, Edgar gets my vote because he uses a chainsaw, a chainsaw, in battle. How awesome is that? Not only that, but he hits on a 10 year old, and he does it in such a way that makes you laugh rather than look on in disgust and call him a pedo.71.187.79.22 21:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. If FFVI would had a protagonist, Edgar would be that protagonist!
  9. Edgar is from FFVI a GOOD Final Fantasy he made the ladies man party member and he uses a chainsaw in battle a chainsaw think about that.
  10. I fail to see the competition. I think the only reason everyone's voting for Balthier is 'cause his game is newer, so more people know him well. Still, Edgar all the way. He's so dedicated to the women, he starts hitting on them even when he's trying to be someone else. :3
  11. Edgar built a castle that can travel under sand. Top that. He even directly opposes the empire instead of running and spared his brother from having to live a life that wouldn't have been of his choosing. Edgar wins.

Votes for Balthier

  1. Best part of FFXII. ClixPsi
  2. Ditto that. Drake Clawfang 17:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. He was also in my party. Ultima The High Seraph 17:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. He has some of the best lines in XII, aside from Basch.--Cluna 06 18:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. I vote for the leading man.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 18:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. Balthier has something more substantial about him in a game where the characters were mostly forgettable. plus if it were a fight he'd surely win. Hamfruitcake 09 18:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. Much as I do think Edgar is great, I like the Leading Man more. But why isn't he wearing his hat? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. Really? He's a sky pirate. ChaosEsperVII
  9. pattern. --Gamer2127 00:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. What the heck does Edgar fight with again?  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 00:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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  12. I love both of them to pieces, but I love Balthier more. Sorry Edgar :(. I'm a sucker for Gideon Emery's sweet, sweet accent. Violet mage
  13. I'm voting for this guy, especially if his hair reminds me of someone at his game (chuckles) Kuzlalala Squee! 04:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. Because this one doesnt need to try to get he chicks. Leon5550 05:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. I vote for the leading man, who else? TheBlueDragoon 05:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. Sabin > Balthier > Edgar CheeseNinja 06:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. I liked Edgar, but he wasn't the leading man. Nevanus 09:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. It's Balthier.Silver Mage 09:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Im going with the leading man because i barely use Edgar and Balthier was always the most high level in my party DarkShuyin 13:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. How can I not vote for my precious leading man?! He's hot, he's smooth, and he's as dandy as can be. Just the guy for me. ;) SamSandy 13:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  21. I vote for dude with gun Bruntie2 15:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. No contest. Silver Dragon XXVIII
  23. while playing XII, my pary had to have Baltheir in it. he's just awesome! Leonhart178 17:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  24. Balthier is amazing, and is from FFXII. Edgar is mildly okay, and is from FFVI. FFXII>FFVI, so of course Balthier wins. --Wee187 18:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  25. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 20:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  26. I'm not a fan of either but I prefer XII to VI. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 20:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  27. Neither am I particularly a fan of either (Edgar and Balthier, rather than the games themselves, that is) but when it comes down to "Semi-Dragoon versus Semi-Gunner" the one with the gun is the one I vote for. Also, Balthier had a few more good lines than did Edgar, though I'm afraid the jury might still be out on that one. The.DreadnoughT 22:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  28. User:Neosamuel Anything is better then the crap from Overated Fantasy VI, But that dosn't mean much sence Balthier is an awesome guy anyway.
  29. Balthier's just cool like that. JohnnyC
  30. Edgar's cool, but Balthier IS the leading man. Plus he saved Final Fantasy XII from being the worst game in the series for me. Soren 4ever 17:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  31. Balthier is one of the best FF characters Destriker73 01:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  32. Balthier is stronger then Edgar in every way. KaiserPaladin 07:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  33. A world in which Balthier did not prevail would be a world without reason. The Man In The Black Cape 19:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  34. Vampyro entertaiment 09:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC) he is the leading man!, and he's a pimp!
  35. As much as I love FFVI and Edgar... Balthier's Balthier. -Nokareon
  36. Dont know much about the other guy, seeing as I still haven't played FFVI, but, hey, Balthier was one of the few characters in FFXII that I actually liked, mainly because everything he said was quote worthy. Jamiemitsu 19:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  37. Rinoa leonheart 08:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)O YA go balthier
  38. He's the leading man... Trindadex 17:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  39. He's got way better lines, and sex appeal- Saraija Merinas
  40. Ltfabretti Rules 15:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  41. BlueHighwind Got a sweet ass.
  42. Coolest XII character. Shame he isn't in dissidia. --Zack fair 007 04:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Who wouldn't want the leading man on their side? "Riven" 89.195.66.70 16:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Easily the best character in XII
  3. Final Fantasy VI is my favorite game, and Edgar is one of my favorite characters of that game. However, it's just...it's Balthier! I don't know what else to say. Balthier would be able to pick up ANY woman with his suave demeanor and slick speech. Plus, he's the leading man. Sorry, Edgar. You've been outclassed.74.99.10.238 19:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. It's so hard to decide, but I'm going to have to side with the leading man, opposed to a man amongst many.SpekzWink 01:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. Balthier is the best character in FFXII 124.179.241.69 11:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. Balthier is the leading man. Seriously, he's a suave as Frank Sinatra, and has an awesome accent
  7. Balthier is, has, and always will be the leading man.
  8. He's obvioudly the leading man here.
  9. Balthier is a badass person who is a good "Leading Man"
  10. this vote goes to the underlying leading man. Final Fantasy Han solo ftw 173.50.0.132 23:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Balthier's got more personality and charisma, and he's much cooler. 206.248.109.31 13:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. Balthier was one of the best characters in FFXII. 'The Leading Man' wins this.
  13. Both Edgar and Baltheir were charming and cool, and both could potentialy learn every move and max every stat. But Baltheir has more. Blatheir uses every weapon, and his default weapon is the most practical weapon on earth. Edgar had a chainsaw, a crossbow, a gasblaster and a drill...and yet he didn't know how to use a gun. Thats just stupid.
  14. SORRY ABOUT THE ANONYMOUS VOTING! Balthier was (let's face it) the main character of FFXII. He was suave, had an amazing accent, was slick, and could use every weapon under the sun. You throw Cloud's Buster Sword at him and he'll start wielding that b*tch!

Peanut Gallery

Is there a reason there's an anonymous vote in the user's box? TheBlueDragoon 03:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You mean Edgar's vote number 24? No clue why it's there; maybe a registered user forgot to sign? The.DreadnoughT 13:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I didn't even notice that one. I was talking about one further up. TheBlueDragoon 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one who doesn't see any similarity to Han Solo in Balthier.--Werefang 02:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

No I'm not seeing the link either I have to admit. Rivenous 04:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
You must be blind. The Star Wars subtext is written all over him and Fran. SamSandy 13:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
And there I was thinking I had perfect 20x20 vision, but despite your protests I still don't see it... Besides Fran's a darn sight better looking then Chewy. Rivenous 16:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The only thing in common between them is the ship. Cid Highwind is more a Han Solo rip off than Balthier.--Werefang 17:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Sky/Space pirates wanted by the empire. They own a goddamnly fast air/spaceship. They are two pairs of an human and a being of another race, beings which don't like the company of others except for their companion. Both Balthier and Han Solo are the leading man and are attracted by the princess wanted by the empire who rejects him. Holy fuck, and Cid Highwind is just a middle aged retired pilot who never got to fulfill his dream, no hybrid companion, no love interests, no pwning airship owned since before you know him. Seriously, do people play with tons patches put on their eyes (and minds)? Zak Undersn 20:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Han Solo is an uncultured slob. He is not a pirate. He is wanted by a mafia boss, not the empire. Han Solo was never associated with the empire until he joined up with the rebels. Sure, there are slight similarities but you can find those anywhere if you look hard enough.--Werefang 22:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
WRONG! Han Solo was a former Imperial TIE pilot. (Coincidentally, the reason the "mafia boss" wanted him was a dumped cargo which cost the dumb, fat slug a bunch of money. The cargo was dumped because the Millenium Falcon was about to be boarded by the Empire and Han Solo couldn't hide the cargo anywhere.) But let's not get into an argument about Star Wars on a Final Fantasy wiki, okay? Wookiepedia is a better place for that. The.DreadnoughT 22:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree we shouldn't turn this into a Star Wars debate, but apart from the fact that they own a ship and are a team of two I'm not seeing it, and neither teams of two nor airships are exactly uncommon. Yes they are wanted by the empire but so is the whole team it's hardly exclusive to them. Not once do they say they don't like the company of others in fact when Penelo is in danger they are willing to help despite there being little to no personal gain for them whatsoever, and Balthier is never attracted by the princess, he sees her mainly as a path to quick cash and she sees him as a necessary evil, they are actually quite open about their general dislike/distrust for one another and their motives. The similarities as far as I can see are passing and coincidental at best. Rivenous 01:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Now if you want similarities you should see they guy signing with my name only with larger letters. Rivenous 02:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
He's not signing your name. His signature-template just happens to be using the <username> template. The.DreadnoughT 02:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I did not mean I think Balthier and Fran are direct copies of Han and Chewie, hence why I said it's in the subtext. Some of you guys just seem to be in complete denial about this SW references in FF issue. It's still there, though, no matter how you twist it. ;) SamSandy 11:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes they like hiding the references: Vicks. The.DreadnoughT 14:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh Cool, I just thought it was glitch or something... My laptop has been playing up lately. And I'm not dismissing the Star Wars references of course they are there. Biggs and Wedge are perfect examples. But Sometimes people put far to much emphasis on them. For example the basic story behind Star Wars is that of the rebels struggling against the empire, or a smaller group fighting a much larger force. Then take FFI a small group taking on four fiends with the power to destroy the earth. FFII, the rebels against the empire. FFIV, Cecil's group against the kingdom of Baron. FFVI, The Returners against The Empire... All I'm saying is that quite a lot of the similarities people bring up in regards to FFXII are similar to Star Wars but it's less to do with Star Wars itself and more to do with the fact that there are reccuring themes in the whole fantasy genre. Rivenous 20:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


It took me a while, but I just realized that I suggested this fight! I can't believe it made it through! I would have picked Bathier if it wasn't for the fact that he was the ONLY character that was worthwhile in XII. Edgar was great, but it was made even greater with his connection to everyone else *cough*Sabin*cough*! By the way, I think I might start a fanboy brawl with my vote.... Xlatinsorax 03:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

And don't forget that there has always been references to Star Wars in FF.
I agree, but FFXII is in another level. It's just a remake of Star Wars that takes place on Ivalice. Of course I'm exaggerating, but you get the point. Zak Undersn 19:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Heehee. A fight where my disdain for XII gets to come out twice. Although I haven't gotten far with Edgar (I REALLY hope there's more to him than "King siding with the Returners,") like I said, there was a POINT to him. And he was useful, with tools that could hit all enemies, & the chainsaw. Balthier seems to just tag along so Vaan & co. can listen to his snarky lines.Neo Bahamut 14:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm just curious, but how the hell did my username end up in larger letters, and it wasm't my post to begin with? TheBlueDragoon 03:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm seeing the same thing... only my original vote is higher up... Hamfruitcake 09 09:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I serioulsy can't stop laughing, all your reactions are so funny. Shame they gave me a test and made me change it.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 13:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
It was the most creative use of <span class="insertusername"> I've ever seen, and I used that code many times. Who made you change it? Its funny as hell. The.DreadnoughT 14:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Mostly ScatheMote, but a lot of people were angry about it.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, so thats what the hell it was. I thought either my computer or the Wiki itself was glitched. TheBlueDragoon 03:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the way I reacted before. In retrospect, it WAS pretty funny! Xlatinsorax 03:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, a lot of people seem to have fallen for it, which is always a plus.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 23:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
You got me too. It was a good joke. Well played. TheBlueDragoon 05:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 13:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

As much as the "Balthierfapfapfapfapfap" mentality is annoying me, I have to note that Edgar is not the only FF character to use a chainsaw. Vincent's Hellmasker Limit Break. Both also wear hockey masks, oddly enough.Neo Bahamut 23:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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