#This was kinda hard, but i pick Selphie. She is nice, hyper, funny (ok, this is starting to sound like a dating show now) Plus, The End is my favorite Limit Break behind Lionheart, and it saved me quite a few times. And although i like Rikku, X-2 kinda ruined her for me. [[User:Gyromite|Gyromite]] 19:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
<!-- DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!! -->
<!-- DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!! -->
Revision as of 19:22, April 30, 2009
Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.
The Rules, Briefly
Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week.
You may vote only once.
If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section.
If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section.
To vote, leave the following "#~~~~" and you are required to leave this whether you are logged in or anonymous.
If you wish to comment on the fight, please leave your remarks in the peanut gallery. You are expected to conduct yourself with courtesy. Comments must relate to the fight at hand.
Do not alter the format of this page.
Any failure to adhere to these rules will result in your vote(s) being removed. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.
There really wasn't a description for why this is suggested, but my guess is they are both the awkward girl archetype or maybe Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy X are locked in a bitter duel to the end here in the DNC for which was the better (or less terrible) game... maybe 'who wears yellow better?' Maybe some combination there-in.
Votes for Selphie
I just love her "The End" limit break. Teh awesomest thing evar! :D - SilverSummonerTaLk 05:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Besides Calcobrena, Selphie is the only FF character that scares me. Don't let the sugar and yellow fool you: She's insane. I paused for a minute to make sure I read things right when she started to scream about blowing things up during the presidential train assassination briefing. In battle, her Cure All was extremely useful, though I still didn't take her into my final party. ClixPsi
Although Rikku is hotter, I felt that I connected more with Selphie's character, she seemed more real (even if equally annoying, sometimes!:p ). I don't know, Selphie brings back some memories that Rikku just doesn't. (although I love both games!) NeoSeth 11:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Sevler425 Ok I would say Selphie because shes the underdog here. This is a pretty one sided fight due to how many people think Rikku is hot... Also I like Selphie because she is so hyper. It really makes the game interesting when she speaks lol.(But when it comes down to it both games are good.)
I don't specially like Selphie, but I'm tired and bored of FFX/X-2. And well, for me, Selphie's sugar addiction is funny. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 18:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
BritBoy I prefer FFVIII but there isn't really much to choose between them in my opinion
This was kinda hard, but i pick Selphie. She is nice, hyper, funny (ok, this is starting to sound like a dating show now) Plus, The End is my favorite Limit Break behind Lionheart, and it saved me quite a few times. And although i like Rikku, X-2 kinda ruined her for me. Gyromite 19:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
188.8.131.52 13:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)FF VIII is better then FF X-2,we all know that.
To be honest, I find both these girls annoying, but I do believe Selphie is simply more capable and SLIGHTLY more tolerable than Rikku.
Votes for Rikku
Take the most annoying girl you can imagine, make her hyper and pump a couple dozen suger-filled cups of coffee and pop into her. You have begun to grasp the nightmare that is Selphie. At least Rikku is hot in her X-2 outfit.
Rikku FTW, cause shes hawt. lol. And because Selphie's a douchebag ロル LolCakes オケス 04:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I just like Rikku more. She takes a more active approach in the story and has this great drive even if her people are hated by the Yevonites. She's also Yuna's cousin to boot! (And no, I never once told Wakka!) Cluna06 04:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The Rood Inverse 07:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Selphie is a annoying person clad in yellow. Nuff said. Rikku is hawt and has a a lot more character and depth.
Rikku because she's such like a PPG! KuzlalalaSquee! 09:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Rikku's awesome. Yes she's hyper and kinda grating but I love her. ^_^ And her mixes are excellent.Fayth of the Turtles 10:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
See Jeppo's comment above. ScatheMote 10:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
User:Neosamuel She was much more memorable in Kingdom Hearts so ill go with her.
I just wish people would shut-up about X being "bad." It's actually one of the few original FFs. 1-9 were all ripped off from the archetype fantasy.--Werefang 12:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I haven't evet played FF8 to tell you, but just from things I hear about Seplhie, she's not that much of a character, compared to Rikku. And her appearance is pretty disturbing in FF8 graphics and related artwork. Can't tell anything more, and personally I'm a fan of Rikku so... :P FinalAnnihilator
To anyone who knows me well, they'll tell you how much I love Rikku and how much I hate Selphie. Rikku is just the epitome of sexy. Yes I said it. Selphie, from the very beginning of Final Fantasy VIII just bugged the hell out of me. Selphie has a tendency to yell "Whoo-hoo!" And thats just one reason why I hate Selphie, so yeah, my vote is for the Desert Princess. Go Rikku! TheBlueDragoon
Because I actually liked X-2. --Gamer2127 15:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Rikku wins so hard. Both X and X-2 shes a great character, while Selphie just annoys me. (Why are they both in KH versions?) --Zephyrus11 15:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Are you kidding me? Rikku was a lot more useful in battle and a lot cuter. Selphie was annoying. Despite FFVIII being the better game, Rikku wins hands down for me.--Heretic_Ramza
Maverick Riot: Huzzah, way to get people really frustrated about who they hate more. Personally, I didn't mind either of them. I actually disliked Irvine more than Selphie, and liked all of the FFX cast really (Yes, even when Tidus whined). Rikku was one of my preferred characters as well. Guess it's because she's the polar opposite of me that makes it appealing. And maybe because Selphie's personality is actually due to an overdose of sugar, caffeine and LSD.
Rikku is ownage, and her Overdrive is one of the most powerful of the series. - Henryacores^ 16:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Go-go-go-go-go-go Rikku! Kick that ho's ass! Violetmage
ChaosEsperVII: Both have their merits and their faults, but if Selphie had a voice actor I would mute the game. Plus, Rikku was useful in the end.
Pikmin Master: What I don't understand about Selphie is why would she wield nunchucks. I've seen The End and I'm pretty impressed. But Rikku's better off for me because of her role as a chemist.
BlueHighwind ツ: Abstains from voting. The only reason he can think of is that Rikku is about 1% sexier, which just isn't enough. A chair is 1% sexier than a couch.
Man, this fight is so boring. I wish if anyone could put up an insteresting fight, like Llyud v. Seymour (that fight reminds me of the battle between Groudon and Kyogre). MTC
Ok, I would like to ask you FFX haters what is it that you hate so much about this game? Do you believe it is overrated because it was the first to appear with "next generation" graphics, like FFVII which was the first 3D FF? Do you love other FFs so much, that you think this is not so interesting? And anyone who hates a game without ever having played it shall rethink, and try to play the game first and then decide which is a yes or a no. I hated FFVI because of the aggresive fanboys, but after finally deciding to play it, I loved it! Not so much as FFX though... but because this statement is a bit random to out new DNC fight, I would like to change the subject... You see Selhpie, like I said briefly in my vote, did not play a so big role in the events of FFVIII. That's just what I've heard don't attack me. And, knowing Rikku better, I believe she is superior to Selphie. Don't forget, Riku is one of the most powerful characters in post-final boss content, due to her invaluable Overdrive, Mix. Furthermore, even though that's not a reason to actually vote for a character, yes Rikku is sexier :P. Please, don't start making a fanboy/fanboy hater war in responce to my first statement or any others. I just said that because I saw that or less terrible in the fight description... FinalAnnihilator
You know, I agree with Final. Selphie really didn't have much to do with the story of FFVIII. Rikku plays an integral role. She's Yuna's cousin and she wants to save her. What did Selphie have to do with the story? Only a little. Having played and enjoyed all the main series, Selphie is my least favorite of the "Spunk girl" Archetype. The only story she plays that had any significance to me is that one area where she blew up the missile base, but after that she just fades into the background, like Vaan in FFXII. Ok, I think I said my piece. TheBlueDragoon
Hrm. Having only played the demo of VIII, I can't really judge. However, I confess that I am in a similar situation as FinalAnnihilator here. Meta-Z
Actually, the only main characters that play much relevance in the story are Squall, Zell, and Rinoa (*wink* final party *wink*). Everyone else fades away... Irvine fails to assassinate the sorceress, after that, fades. Quistis fails as a teacher and fails to get Squall to open up to her, after that, fades. Selphie fails to save Trabia Garden, after that, fades. Not that its a bad thing, though. In fact, all Final Fantasies have characters who fade out. And Final don't worry about the fanboy wars. Although I think VII is the best of the series (dodges brick), I still appreciate each game for its merits and its faults. People don't understand that not everyone thinks like they do and must flame everyone else who doesn't adhere to their liking. Take each FF in stride and maybe the world will be a better place. Like Ivalice.... ChaosEsperVII
Ok, I'll admit I'm a Rikku fanboy. However, each game had its faults and its good points. My personal favorites are VI, VII and X. Each game has something wrong with it. I've been playing FF since I was little, and the only character I truly hate in the series is Quina Quen from FFIX. Serves zero purpose story wise, and is a terrible fighter, and an even worse mage as some of her Blue spells take forever to learn. I like the series because each game is pretty much unique. I just don't like Selphie on a personal level. I have nothing against her except she annoys me with constant "whoo-hoos!" Other than that, I have nothing to say about her. As ChaosEsper said, take each game in stride. Everyone won't agree with you, on anything. Its just that simple. we all have our favorite characters, mine being the best dragoon ever, Kain Highwind. TheBlueDragoon 18:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
As the one who suggested this fight, I shed some light on why I suggested it. I actually forgot, so I hunted for the quote when I originally posted it, months ago.
"Which bubbly, energetic girl is more annoying?" - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
the answer to that is obviously Selphie, judging by the votes. TheBlueDragoon 19:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Fighters are just more fun and generally are cooler characters as well. That goes for any game. Kicking chumps into outer space is always funnier than sitting back and throwing spells at it. Though seeing more RPGs with straight Mage-type MAIN characters would be cool not too many around. AnonyMan
I like the fighters better. Usually I try to defeat my enemies dealing physical damage, but if it fails, I turn to magic, and not the other way around. Kudos for Mages, as well, as a FF party would be nothing without them! NeoSeth 09:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Well some fighters can use magic and be hard hitters.User:Sasukekunai18:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
In comparison to ClixPsi's post above, I tend to agree that physical attackers are much better than mages. Sure, the fighter styled classes tend to lack big powerful moves, but they tend to get great abilities. Key point for this: Sabin's Phantom Rush. Deals almost as much as a Ultima spell, but costs much less than 80 MP... -_-; Sure, some might argue: 'Oh, but Ultima hits all enemies', true, but it still doesn't affect the fact that Phantom Rush costs NOTHING but a very easy roll of the controlpad (Or multiple single pushes of the direction).Yath 13:18 (1:18 PM) April 22, 2009 (UTC)
FinalAnnihilator: Well, my vote surely goes to the melee classes. They are the ones that will kill the superbosses in the end. Most superbosses have elemental immunities, and in the end you will see that the superbosses are not as secondary as they seem. And along with them, that makes the warriors the most useful characters. But of course, casters in this case, are also used for healing, but this is clearly secondary so...
I'm not really into magic... i like characters that holds strong weapons... OnionKnight23
Because there's nothing more annoying than running out of MP halfway through a dungeon. Jeppo 15:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I prefer physical damage and beautiful weapons. Karu
On an unrelated but coincidentally similar note, E ahzuo jeumahla. MasterConjurer 22:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I usually just attack. Magic is supplemental.--Werefang 23:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
My teams are usually made up of three fighters and one mage. Fighters clearly take priority for me. Mages are too limited due to MP. A full team of mages would never survive in a dungeon except with a bag load of ethers.--JohnnyC 23:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Physical damage dealers are much more badass. Cluna06 23:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Fencers are physical attackers. So are people who use their bare hands. So is Cid Highwind. So is (human, but questioning of it) Sephiroth, other than when he casts Meteor. So is Locke (if thieves are fighters. I say Locke is anyway, 'cause he can use the Illumina and the Ragnarok.) So is Shadow, even if he's throwing Shurikens at people. On the other hand, most of the really cool mages are either at least half fighters (Terra, Chrono Trigger Magus) or something else not magic related, or they happen to be pure-mage actually-useful main characters who end up permanently dead (Aeris) or else who the player ALLOWS to be permanently dead, because the death scene is hilarious and they aren't vital (Montblanc in FFTA.) And there is no reflect for "Fight." Nor can anything "absorb" physical attacks. And they cost no MP. And Omnislash is also a physical attack. Enough said? The.DreadnoughT 00:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Because they have the badass Dark Knight. --TenzaZangetsu 23 April 2009(UTC)
Even though Montblanc is part of the mages, and I would like to use some magick, I prefer fighters. I like their sharp-bladed swords. They also wear strong armor. Unlike the mages, which wear robes and equip rods. KuzlalalaSquee! 09:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Fighters can kill mages while they cast spells. User:Lutheran 18:59, 23 April 2009
Not wanting to be a bit of a cliche but... I like swords ;P AtmaCrisis 11:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Sora G. Strife 14:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)I suck at magic in Dissidia, and that's why I use Jecht. And any other melee-oriented class/character.
Sevler425 I Defiantly prefer physical over Magic, I like to know that I have full control of Set Weapon.
Dragoons. Fighters come in many classes. I prefer the fighter to the mage, but its just not a party without both elements.TheBlueDragoon
Mages hide behind fighters casting magic, how cowardly.Also an 8-bit theater reference.. I LIKE SWORDS. JudgeMasterKefka
I really wanted to vote mages, but the truth is that the physical power of fighters is always reliable. RowdyCMoore
Knights alone are one the strongest defensive class in FFIII, and they have a very high strength. But as a whole, Mages are too weak, if they could cast more than a couple spells before being useless, maybe, but knights do the same ammount of damages as many times as they can. Cloudofdarknesswas [| here]
In games I like using a mixture of both (as a party). And overall my most favorite job class is the Blue Mage (they're just awesome). But if it came down to it I like the Fighters better. A tank that could just storm the battlefield without worrying about being killed off by enemy physical attacks, or by spells flung at you by the opponent. And at the same time they could slash and dash to take down the enemy. And their reserves for attacking is practically unlimited, needing no MP. Don't get me wrong mages are awesome and when in the end it comes down to the detail (and could really go either way), but I just like Fighters better. This should end up in a tie... Ozark0816 01:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Really, melee versus magic? It's pretty darn obvious who would win. Melee has strong melee attack while mages have low defense. Pwned. User:Dornob25 12:13, 25 April 2009 (Pacific time)
Well, a good party member should be able to dish it out and take it, which mages can't normally do, and Black Mages and White Mages make horrable Tanks. Plus Swords are great. Armageddon11! 12:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Fighters are more useful in normal fights. Myself 123 14:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Fighters would pwn mages and can use use weapons like Ultima Weapon and Save the Queen. But Mages are limited and when theyre magic runs out they are useless.Zidane
SeKaLoYa 13:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC) I wonder why they used the pictures from FFT. Maybe because Ivalice Alliance games emphasize jobs the most.
FFIX, Desert Palace; the game makes you split up your team because Oilvert has an anti-magic field. My team of fighters was far superior, and everyone in my file was around the same level. And 'cause I hate DNC draws. Template:BfDsig
I guess I vote for Fighters. Scent Mages have enough votes. NeoZEROX 23:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm more partial to a mix of both, but flashy powers that can destroy the general landscape itself>wailing on somebody with a mace/sword/fist/etc.Neo Bahamut 05:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently playing FF6 and the fighters there are pretty meh compared to the mages there. Lolcakes 05:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Mages and Fighters are both cool. But, the Mages have the likes of Rydia, Terra, Aerith, Vivi, Golbez and Blackmage Evilwizardington. The Fighters are stuck with scrubs like Sesshiroth, Cyan, Umaro and Zell. In fact, the only fighters I really like are Cloud, Beatrix and Kain, and Zidane if you count Thieves as fighters. Anyway, Mages > Fighters.
Swords are real. Magic is not. CookiePinguy 07:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Summoners, Black Mages, Blue Mages, White Mages and friends against those pitiful warriors? Doesn't feel right. - Henryacores^ 09:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I love both. I love the fury, the reflexes, the aplomb, the will of protect someone with your body even at the expense of your life... parrying, dodging, counterattacking... all that things that involves a melee fight. But I also love the caution, the patience, the strategy, the capacity to put your hand in someone's face and burn it into ashes or heal all his/her wounds... the cunning of create combos with the magic's effects... all that things that involves a magic fight. That's why my favourite class is Dark Knight, a offensive melee warrior with magic powers that never hesitate to sacriface him/herself. But if I have to choose one side, I think I have to choose the mysticism and the possibilities that magic offers to a fidget imagination like mine's. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I always preffered the Mages, heck, I always preffered Magic-using classes in any game. Pure-Moneo 14:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Art is a BLAST. And Mages can make some blasting and flashy stuff. :D - SilverSummonerTaLk 14:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I love magic in general and would much rather blast my foes with Ultima or summon Bahamut as oposed to swinging an oversized sword or walking around in 80lbs of armor.User:Neosamuel
Magic is just a lot more fun to kill people than swords. You get to watch them explode instead of just slowly drowning in their own blood. If you can do both magic and sword-slashing, then I would give my soul to learn your secrets. All mystic knights automatically gain my respect, but magic by itself is powerful enough. - Ninja of Wind- 20:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Both have a certain appeal to me. Mages edge ahead because of their ability to shoot fire from their hands. SilverDragon28 21:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
User:RainbowCecil88 18:15, 22 April 2009 I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN! You can never go wrong with that!
Skoot85 IT'S MAGIC (Harry Potter + Final Fantasy = Mage Fan)
Magic is flashier, it's more versatile, it takes advantage of elements more efficiently, it can heal, it bestows positive status effects, and there are summons. Which own. And there's Vivi. 8bit 00:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Magic is just more fun. You can do more than just hit "Fight" every turn, too. There's different spells to choose from and just like... Wow :3 Yzz 03:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I...I like both. But in the end I love magic more. Really, all fighters do is attack. Mages heal and inflict statuses and buff the party and use elements and Flare and Ultima and...yes. Fayth of the Turtles 04:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Fighters are tough, and once they get close enough, the battle gets rough, but how will they get close with blasts of Ultima and Holy tearing them apart, with no White Mage to assist them before their all down? Gyromite 06:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Tragedian Can a sword and shield really stand up to Meteor, Flare, and Holy? Don't think so.
Devil Breaker 07:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Mages are like the most critical part of a team. You can't lose a mage in battle, coz you need him/her. And Mages are Badasses especially in FFV... Be a Red Mage, get DualCast, then a Black Mage, and DualCast METEOR!!!! Uwheeheehee
MechaUltimaZero I generally prefer classes such as Dark Knight, which is sort of a fusion between the two, but since Dark Knight is closer to Black Mage then to, say, Warrior or Dragoon, I'm going to stick with Mage here. But that's just because Dark Knight is closer to Mage than Fighter.
DreamDevout 15:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC) Mages, because magic looks and sounds cool. And robes look better than armor. Plus, they require more thought to use than fighters.
Nokareon: Because even the toughest fighter would die without a White Mage to heal him/her.
Brute Strength Cannot Beat The Almighty Power Of Magic. OwlEye 00:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I choose these mystical mages ( Rosa / Rydia / Tellah / Terra / Celes / Aerith / Vivi ) over the tough fighters ( Cecil / Kain / Edge / Locke / Edgar / Cyan / Cloud / Zidane ) because A) their magic is more exotic than fighters attacks presentation-wise B) magic is an extreme damaging ability C) they can upgrade their skills better & faster than fighters. GabbianiSoul
--Rufus Shinra4245 18:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)i would say mages because even though it is MP based you always carry MP potions right?? Haha
Firionklauser: much as i love melee-class characters, mages are simply cooler. i join others in the hope that a pure mage could be a main character in the series. (unless it's already been done, which escapes my knowledge)
GigaFlare 10:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC):Mages simply have better skills, and their robes usually have some sort of enhancing power anyway. And if you combine classes and their skills, then you get some pretty mean combos of magic!
A thousand time mages, summonners can destroy towns and white mages can resurrect/heal, what else do we need? Warriors can slash/punch people, oh great...Badag 14:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Because I always had a Mage in my party, White or Black, and it usually got the last blow on the enemy with a spell or saved my ass from impending doom with a well timed heal (not to mention Vivi never left my party, when available <3) User:Leiber_Mage
SamSandy: I'm not fit to even lift a sword, and I've always found magic much, much more intriguing than physical combat. So yes, a mage I be!
My FFTa2 party consists of mostly illusionists (pluss some time/white/summoners) and ends allmost all battles after 3-4 actions. What fighter party can say the same. Range, multiple targets, versitality, buffs/debuffs. I use mages for all possible positions, whenever possible. MP? Allmost all the games contain one or two ways to get half/no mp cost. Osmose/drain takes care of the rest. The Rood Inverse 14:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
184.108.40.206 21:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC) Mages and fighter are usually a good combination but I prefer to have spells like procect and cure,in my party I always have a mage who can heal and my fighter attacking though mages can be on the offensive especially with Flare,meteor,holy and other stuff(nice spells)I think that a party can do somewhat without a fighter.
First comment, yay! As my vote sort of hints at, I'm kind of curious as to where the distinction lies. Red Mages, Spellblades, & the like are kind of both, as are most characters in most of the later titles. (VI & beyond? Don't quote me on that.)Neo Bahamut 05:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
To that SeKaLoYa voter: Those are not from FFT. FFTA maybe, but not FFT. I wish people would stop calling FFTA FFT. Or even referring to Ivalice like they know it from XII & the TAs. They completely ruined it.Neo Bahamut 23:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
"Swords are real. Magic is not" That's why magic is awesome pal ;D CookiePinguy 07:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
And Mages makes you actually think than always hiting the "A" ("X" whatever) Button XD CookiePinguy 07:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, you have to choose which nuke to use before you start mashing the action button. Unless you might need another specific spell. AnonyMan 08:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Try deafeat a super boss "mashing" the action button and see if that works ;) CookiePinguy 16:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I did. Against Chaos in FFI. And the new secret bosses.--Werefang 23:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I said Super Boss, not Remaked tuned-down Boss or Fighted with abused leveled characters. Learn the difrence. CookiePinguy 08:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Fighted with abused leveled characters. Ya know, you didn't specify that before, and that really DOESN'T make a huge difference if it's an overleveled fighter or a overleveled mage, they'd still stick to their strengths. 13:44 (1:34 PM), 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Because someone has to say it, "fighted" isn't a word.Neo Bahamut 20:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Now, now. Don't nitpick. Besides, there are too many spelling and grammer mistakes to count.--Werefang 12:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I have to. I'm a grammar nazi. It's what we do. Now stop using sentence fragments, or I will zyklon-b your ass.Neo Bahamut 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
No, you think you had to do that because of what i said about your prespective days ago and you "tried" to nitpick me, this is the internet, there are so little typos around here that make your excuse patetic.
oh and Mr. Neo "Do you just not know how to read?" Bahamut i said that you were sad because not because you didn't want
to play the game, but that you hate a game that you didn't play, stating a opinion about something that we don't know it's just wrong. Just get over it. I'm not the first guy and i will not be the last person to critisize somebody around here. CookiePinguy 21:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
No, I did it because I'm a grammar nazi. 9 times out of 10, I don't even look at usernames. You do not know the reason I do things. You are not psychic. Stop acting like it. And I don't hate FFVI. I never said I did. I did, however, say that I was trying to borrow it from a friend to give it a try. If you're going to try to quote mine me, do it right. Really, your commentary is quite ironic. You are so pissed off at me that you automatically assume that, because I corrected your grammar, I must be holding a grudge against you. THIS is how you throw someone's argument in their face: "Just get over it. I'm not the first guy, & I will not be the last, to criticize somebody around here." Sheesh, and to think that all of this started because I criticized FFVI for being overrated. There's more butthurt here than in San Francisco.Neo Bahamut 23:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
For me fine that wasn't the point i wanted to argue, i still wonder why didn't you say that in the first place instead of the circus you did, when i wasn't even talking to you, but ok, i didn't come here for problems, my real life is enough. And just for saying, not everyone here is a native english, so english is something that we don't use on a daily basis, so sometimes we do some mistakes when writing, specially on the Internet where it's very different for example on professional matters. CookiePinguy 06:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I am arguing. I'm just doing it in a very assholeish way. Now, what on Earth are you talking about? Everything in that rant I stated before, plain as day. And, if you recall, the first comment made to you was me wondering whether or not you were talking to me, but not particularly caring, as either way, your remark made me facepalmheaddesk. Not quite as much as that guy who told me to die, though.Neo Bahamut 23:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Meh, just a little misunderstand. And sorry for make you facepalmheaddesk, hope your head's alright. CookiePinguy 21:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Like I said in my vote, fighters are the true power at post-final boss content of Final Fantasies. Correct me of course, the only Final Fantasies I have played are VII X X-2 and XII, so I can't be sure, but in those cases, melee damage is the true power. But, I was partially 50-50 because of one reason: let's not forget how important mages are during the main storyline part of the game! FinalAnnihilator
You're partially right, but, but look at FFVI, the main hero is Terra, a Mage! Pure-Moneo 14:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
No, at most Terra is a Fighting Mage(Emphasis on Fighting). She can learn Magic but she also has decent physical stats and can equip lots of Armors and what not. In fact she'd classify better as a Fighter than Mage. AnonyMan
Based on what I've seen and heard she is a Red Mage (which neither excel as fighters or mages; just saying).--Werefang 23:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Uhmmm I agree that Terra's a Red Mage but I disagree on the last part... (you know also, just saying) coz Terra's Magic stat is high, which ofcourse is the opposite of her Strength stat which is kind of mediocre, that's why she can do loads of damage in Magic but she can also do a lot of damage with fighting. In other words, She excels in Magic more than She excels in Fighting.... Also another prominent Red Mage is Scott from FFII (already-known trivia by others...).Devil Breaker 07:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
You want Red Mages? Pick a character in FFVII, any FFVII character. Because of the way materia works, that's what everyone is.Neo Bahamut 21:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't forget II, VI, VIII, X, and XII. All can be Red Mages, really. AnonyMan 22:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
And Tactics. Just take a White Mage and select Black Magick as Job Command or viceversa. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
That isn't what a Red Mage is. And since each class has different stats in Tactics, magic basically becomes shit whenever you try to give it to a knight. But nice try. AnonyMan: I only said VII because it was the only one I felt I knew enough, but on second thought, you're right about XII. Not so much X, though. Eventually, yes, you can even everyone's stats around, but they're definately set into specific classes, both with initial stats & with sphere grid paths.Neo Bahamut 02:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that is technically a Sage. But if you set equip sword to him, it would essentially be a red mage.--Werefang 19:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Essentially. Depends on the Brave level.Neo Bahamut 20:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
It's easy to modify Bravery and Faith with a Orator. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 00:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Orators? Fuck that noise. That shit takes too long. Faith is easy, just add Beowulf. Also, Pure-Moneo & AnonyMan: YOU MENTIONED TERRA! I MUST YELL AT YOU TO BALANCE THE FANFAGGOTRY UNFOLDING ON THESE COMMENTS! ...Come to think of it, I just did. Carry on, then, nothing to see here....Neo Bahamut 01:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Red. Mage. Rocks. Although messing with reality is just awesome. But you can't do a cool pose with a staff, while you can with a sword, and that's why Red Mages rule. They can mess with the very fabric of reality itself while they do a cool pose, they are just Redmagetastic ((c) me). That said, i'm not gonna vote, that would be betraying them. Zak Undersn 15:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
This is a tough choice. Fighters are meat-heads that can only swing swords around, but even though mages are the source of ultimate power and magic, they are limited by MP. How can I choose? - Ninja of Wind- 20:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
MP limits: 1 MP cost, no MP cost (sometimes), mana regeneration accessories, and ethers.
Cool poses: When Aerith uses Healing Wind, her staff floats in front of her. I always thought that was pretty damn cool.
Superbosses: Umm...physical attacks do great damage...how? Those bosses usually have great physical defenses. Elemental affinities don't really matter, with spells like Ultima. And I'm specifically questioning using VII as an example. Ruby Weapon is easily brought down with a combination of Hades & Knights of the Round castings.Neo Bahamut 21:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
And Aspir exists. However, FFVII is a really bad example for bad mages, when you have support materias as MP Absorb, MP Turbo, Quadra Magic... or the famous/infamous combo: Knights of the Round+HP Absorb & Mimic. W Magic is useful too (W Magic & Ultima+Quadra Magic =8xUltima, then you mimic and...). The only game I rarely used magic is FFVIII because I love junctions, and commands as Recover and Revive are really useful, making magic, many times, unnecessary. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's true, as well. The materia system was fun to screw around with, but the game balance was really, really bad. I mean what, besides Ruby & Emerald Weapons, is going to survive 2 castings of Knights of the Round?Neo Bahamut 23:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Kane from C&C. He's been "killed" three or four times now, and is still alive. You see, Kane lives in death! (You just got Command & Conquered, <insert insult here>!) The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering, because this could affect my vote: are Gunners technically a form of indirect fighter, or just not involved? The.DreadnoughT 22:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Gunners are rangers I think. If they were in either section, they would be fighters, but not really.EDIT: I think it should be thought of this way: Do you use physical strikes or magic attacks more.--Werefang 23:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Gunners aren't involved, then. (The bullets, however, are physical attackers, right?) The.DreadnoughT 00:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't decide. I Like both fighters and mages and I likes swords and Magic. What should I choose? NeoZEROX 00:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Spoil the ballot. Vote for both, and then they won't count! (Spoiling the ballot is more politically relevant then abstaining is, apparently. Or so they taught me in Civics, anyway.)
And to Ninja of Wind's vote: If I can bring Chrono Trigger into this, then I have just one word to say: Magus. Otherwise, there are three ways to do that: Be a character from FFVI able to equip the Illumina (or whatever the hell it got renamed in the GBA version, Lightbulb or something like that) or Ragnarok, so you can use a big physical and random-cast "Pearl" (Holy) or Flare at the same time. The second method is to be Terra, particularly with said weapons. The third method involves Materia. Or go play Tactics Advance, get out a Viera, go learn the Summons, Elemental magic, Red magic, and White magic, then go make her be a Fencer or Assassin (This also works with a Human and Black, White, Blue (if you have the patience; I don't,) magic, and Phantasm Skills, then go be a Fighter, Soldier, Ninja or Paladin. Or with a Moogle, same idea. Oh, wait: that's four ways... Oh well. The.DreadnoughT 00:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, that's five ways. I refuse to pay with my soul like I said I would because of that false advertising. And about the stuff with FFTA, putting a fighter and mage together isn't the best arrangement. If you started off as a fighter, you would have high attack, but low MP, and vis versa for starting with mage. Also, you can only choose one magic type to put on your fighter in the end because of the two ability slot maximum, and that's without items. I am still working on acquiring FF6, so I'll save that advice for when I can understand it better. But it's the thought that counts, so thanks. - Ninja of Wind- 01:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Ninja of Wind? (Damn, that sounds like...well, something to do with farting, but that joke is too immature for this. Though the immaturity test is to say "poo" and see how many people laugh, but still...) You do know that false advertising is (where I live) something you can sue people for? And that because you didn't sell me your soul, now I can't trade it for the secret of immortality (which I would have shared with everyone here?) The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
About the latest vote for fighters, all of those are compelling arguments, but I think Sephiroth just kind of uses whatever's easier at the time. Safer Sephiroth was pretty much all magic attacks, except for Havoc Wing. I always just sort of figured it was like how you wouldn't waste MP on a level 1 monster if you were like, level 87, unless you had the no MP ability & were looking to entertain yourself with the pretty colors.Neo Bahamut 00:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I specified the human form of Sephiroth (i.e., Sephiroth when he burns down Nibelhiem, or when he kills everyone in the Shin-Ra building in Midgar.) ("(human but questioning of it) Sephiroth") - The.DreadnoughT 00:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I caught that later. But he still uses a healthy amount of magic. Essentially, Sephiroth just screws up all sense of classes by being God. Just like your average anime villain.Neo Bahamut 01:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
You do realize that the human form of Sephiroth uses magic only through Materia (just like everyone else in VII,) right? Because if you do, yet you do not argue that Locke isn't a fighter, even though he can use summons, cast Meteor, Ultima, "Pearl" and every other spell in FFVI, use Rods (through the Merit Award,) AND use Doublecast (the Gem Box's "X-Magic",) under the right conditions (just as everyone from VII can use Materia, everyone in VI except Umaro and Gogo who's actually a character can have the Merit Award and Gem Box and equip Espers that grant magic) then you have conflicting points- you either can't make up your mind, or have no argument You don't have to argue that he isn't a fighter, Sephiroth's materia (other than the Black Materia, but that's a key item and an entirely different story) is much like Locke having Espers, which doesn't make Locke a Mage, since he's quite obviously a Thief. And Sephiroth is cooler than God. He has better theme music. (Wait, do I hear a thunderstorm brewing?) [stage direction: The.DreadnoughTis hit by lightning]
Okay, firstly, I don't know who Locke is, although if he's a thief with some magic ability, he's still a thief. Secondly, the system for magic doesn't matter, especially because you forget that everyone also has magic stats that affect their performance--Sephiroth's is ungodly high. Where are my points conflicting? I call Sephiroth "God" because my attempts to figure out his class have largely failed. His physical and magical stats are both obscenely high, and he uses a weapon pretty much unheard of in FF (the Masamune is in several games, but to the best of my knowledge, Sephiroth is the only FF character to use a nodachi).Neo Bahamut 02:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Cyan used one. And Sephiroth again...? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 13:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I think Sephiroth is a type of Fighter. Because there is no canon job system, most characters are identified based on weapon in accordance with fanon. Sephiroth wields a "katana" (not really but...) and is usually called Samurai. If you don't like to think of it that way, he is the same job as Cloud; SOLDIER (for the sake of arguement).--Werefang 19:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Did you ever check Sephiroth's stats in Cloud's Past, Neo Bahamut? (I'm assuming that you actually have played through VII that far.) If not, just so you know, you can. (Don't bother trying to take his Materia or equipment, you can't- I tried.) Back to what I was saying, ALL of his stats are horrendously high. And I definitely agree that since VII doesn't really have a job system, you go by the character's weapon, and also by their stats- how one knows that Tifa is a Monk, Cloud is some type of Warrior, Aeris is a Mage (you can tell even without the Staffs and Rods,) etc. The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I glimpsed them once. I can't really get to the flashback easily...that is to say, I couldn't when my disc still worked. And yeah, I tried to take his equipment & shit, too. And that was the point I was trying to make: How can you call someone a fighter or a mage if ALL of their stats are ridiculously powerful? I'm even reluctant to use the label "samurai," because as far as I can tell, there's no good guidelines to that except for "uses a katana." Cloud, honestly, has pretty good magic and physical stats. I didn't correct him because I think he is supposed to lean a little more to the physical side.Neo Bahamut 00:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Then go back a little bit. Okay, the stats don't help distinguish Sephiroth. So what? Since <extreme expletive deleted> when have MAGES used KATANAS, or ANY OTHER TYPE OF SWORD, REGARDLESS OF SIZE, ORIGIN, OR CURVEDNESS? (while being entirely a mage, so those good people who HAVE played VI won't be able to use their Terra example against me after I used said example as part of the reason for voting for Fighters.) And I do realize that CURVEDNESS ain't a word, and neither is "ain't," but do not even think of nitpicking about that, Grammar Nazi. You have a Userpage, I know where it is, and I know how to find the Edit button! The.DreadnoughT 01:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I hope the threat to edit my userpage was a joke, first of all. Second of all, when has a mage used a sword? Depends on how you make your characters' stats in a lot of games, and you can give a mage "Equip Sword" in FFT. Lastly, none of that matters, as I NEVER CALLED SEPHIROTH A MAGE. Why do you think I keep telling people to read?Neo Bahamut 02:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it was. For the sake of argument, we will now ignore all Tactics variations, and FFVI (due to the Merit Award, and Esper-equipping; in a sense everyone in VI was a Red Mage with the wrong weapons.) I didn't say that you said or implied Sephiroth was a mage; I'm trying to settle this because if you look, this area of the comments is almost half the size of the Peanut Gallery. Sephiroth uses a sword. Mages do not use Swords without S-Abilities, or whatever Tactics called them, or the Merit Award, except Red Mages, which don't count by sitting on the goddamn fence. Sephiroth's magic comes from Materia. Materia use does not make someone a Mage, or even make someone not a fighter, if they are a fighter. (Like Cloud. Or like how Cid Highwind's always a Dragoon, even if you give him, say, Steal, Enemy Skill, Comet, Ultima, and the Mega Summon materia, and a bunch of other less important crap.) Sephiroth's sword also happens to have automatic-critical-hit, which only applies to his physical attacks. His physical attack is not elemental. Did I mention that when he's in the party, he only uses magic when you fight multiple enemies at once ('cause MTed magic kills everything much faster, when its all weak shit and you haven't got Slash-All/Flash.) Also, no character remotely similar to being a mage- even including Red Mages as "fighters" for a moment, because Rapiers are "thrusting swords" according to FFTA, where Red Mages use rapiers- (we're still ignoring VI) has ever fatally impaled a major character with a sword, and had that character remain dead for the rest of the game, and two movies based on that game, where applicable. Ever. Period. So now that I've said all that, Sephiroth is a fighter, not that specific job, but in general a physical fighter. Now can we stop arguing over my reasons for bringing Sephiroth into my vote? That was over a week ago! The.DreadnoughT 21:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay, re-assembling a bunch of arguments I already saw isn't going to stop the argument. If you don't count materia, that makes Aerith a fighter. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't. Materia is the magic system & skill system, the fact that the characters don't ordinarily use magic doesn't change the fact that they do, in the circumstances of the game. And yeah, I said, "Sephiroth uses whatever is easier at the time." Think of it this way: If you had a mage in your party that was strong enough to kill your enemy with a physical attack, would you really waste the MP to cast fire, or whatever? And Cid is significantly easier to label. He jumps & uses a spear. That's...pretty much all you need to be a dragoon.... The reason I point out that I didn't say Sephiroth is a mage is because my wording is very important. I said that the fighter/mage labels don't really apply to him. If you can use both magic and physical attacks to that degree of effectiveness, you aren't either, you're some kind of hybrid class. With regards to how he fights, he mostly uses physical strikes, sure. He also flies, uses some weird slashing wave to cut through buildings, and the like. His stances are reminiscent of samurai, but beyond that, inferences from his fighting style aren't terribly effective. So, yeah, magical warrior, demigod, maroon mage, whatever you want to call him, I just think that any "class" he has is somewhere in the middle, and like I said previously, he's kind of hard to label.Neo Bahamut 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, you're wrong: you don't need to jump and use a spear to be a Dragoon. You need to Jump. Some Dragoons can also use swords (Edgar, FFTA "Dragoon" Job Class...) And fine, I'll stop arguing. Since obviously you won't. Actually, whoever said you always have to have the last word, was right. No offense, but I'm starting to agree with them. If you respond to this, though, I will have to respond to your response, because I'm stubborn and refuse to let you have the last word. You had the first word. First in, first out. Just like the things that get shoved onto a computer's stack memory. The.DreadnoughT 21:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The argument was pretty much over a while back. It was decided that SOLDIER was probably the best description possible. So...yeah....Neo Bahamut 23:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't know who Cyan is, but I'll just assume I've been proven wrong. What's meant by "And Sephiroth again...?" Seriously, if you're going to complain about something, at least do it so that I know what you're complaining about, specifically. As to the job, it's not how I like to think of it, I really don't think there's any good class to just shove him into. I do, however, think that samurai is probably the closest (or SOLDIER, now that you mention it...). But I definately do not think the whole fighter/mage thing applies to him, because that implies that he's stronger at 1 than the other.Neo Bahamut 20:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I respect the fact that you love Sephiroth but simply, can you survive without mentioning him in all fights? Only that. That's why people got tired of a good character as him, because fanboys are always spamming him. Let him resting in peace in the lifestream, please. At least for a while. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 00:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
As per the usual pattern of someone who complains about "the fanboys spamming him," you display incredible ignorance and selective reading. I mentioned Sephiroth in response to someone ELSE who mentioned him. And before you say anything, I do not feel bad for getting snippy with you, as I made that pretty damn clear in the comment that started this all. >_> Now I feel like yelling at the person who mentioned Terra to balance this out. <_<Neo Bahamut 01:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I though "you" was a plural word too. I was not refering only to you. Who is selective reading? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Technically, it is. "You" was the plural/formal you, while "Thou" was singular/informal you, but English today has dropped "Thou", making "You" both singular and plural. ScatheMote 13:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
You're seriously calling me a selective reader for not knowing whether you meant "you" as in "you, the person I am talking to," or "you," as in, "You people"? Failed. Twice. First you failed to specify your subject properly, then you failed by blaming me for your own failure. Now, I'm going to try to put everything up here: I argued that VI was overrated because the way it is treated by its fans is arguably more infuriating than any VII fan. Not because of any attention it got by Square itself. I was not "continuing his work." The fight topic had changed before you made that edit (as far as I know, as I was never alerted to the change...damn glitch), so the time you made the edit is no excuse. Ironically, I was trying to tell you that, if you wanted to assert that hypocrisy was a serious accusation, you needed to back it up, not just say that it was. My original intention regarding the comparison post between Sephiroth & Kefka was a little unclear, but it was just that: a comparison. I was trying to show that not EVERYTHING about VI is automatically better than VII, or X, or everything ever done. And I read the comments: VII & X was mentioned a lot. They were by no means an attack on fanboysim in general. Lastly, back to the selective reading thing, I also mentioned Emperor Palpatine of Star Wars, who is not only not related to this fight, but isn't related to FF at all. And about the opinion thing, call it shuffling if you want, but no one was professing to be an expert on games they haven't played. You more or less stated that their ignorance should be punished, rather than accept the fact that there may be some holes in their ideas, but they were more or less valid. Damn, this was a long-ass rant.Neo Bahamut 22:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
(This is The.DreadnoughT just trying to say something, because my own comments are being mentioned indirectly here) - I only said something about Sephiroth last time because some other jackass had to call him "suckaroth." Go check that. MY comment is why Neo Bahamut (as he has already said) mentioned Sephiroth that time, and it was me mentioning Sephiroth this time that induced his mentioning of the living definition of awesomeness this time. And because you'll probably ask now if I can survive without mentioning Sephiroth, no, actually, I can't, because I injected MYSELF with Jenova Cells, to reach a higher level in my own religion, whose followers worship Sephiroth. (Just kidding on that part. Sephiroth. (shit, I nearly died after going that long- four days- without mentioning Sephiroth.))
Bleh, as always you ("you, the person I am talking to") have to be the last word. Sorry, I didn't know you ("you, the person I am talking to") was so egocentrist that if you read a "you" ("you people"), you ("you, the person I am talking to") cannot conceive it can be talking in general terms, not to you ("you, the person I am talking to"). Fanboys sux. All of them. And yes, you are always playing to be an expert on everything even if you have no idea. Do you remember this? "Are you aware of the fact that the Bible SPECIFICALLY refers to Leviathan as a serpent & a dragon?". You know what happen after that, so I'm not going to put you in more evidence (I don't know if that expression exists in english). Told that, this time, definitively: "And well, let's just ignore this and the "mysterious editor" if he appears again. We all followed his trolling intentions. I'll not response anymore to this" as I said before, at the bottom of the last week. If you want to continue use this. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 23:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey, fuck you, you didn't follow my suggestion, why the Hell should I follow yours? Besides, as you said, I always have to have the last word. So what on Earth makes you think I'd just sit by & let you make me out to be some kind of idiot? You have one example of a mistake I made, & I bet if I used a verse finder, I could probably find several areas referring to him as a dragon, anyway. Come back with several good examples, & then we'll talk. If you don't want to respond to this, that's up to you. If you want to go to my talk page, that's up to you. Be the bigger man if you so wish, as I have no interest in it. I don't care if I'm feeding some anonymous troll, you called me out, so I did the same in turn. That's just the way it is. Unlike you, I will not pretend to be some kind of voice of reason & authority when I'm obviously not.Neo Bahamut 00:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Now I'm NeoBawmut: "you see, i will tell you the things i think i know but i don't and tell you i'm right and insult you. and when you do the same I will tell you that you're stupid". That's a perfect definition of hypocresy, or however it's written. Why don't you die? Zak Undersn 00:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I think I about pissed myself laughing at your comment. It took me a few times through to figure out what you were saying, because of your awful grammar, but once I did, I realized that you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'm insulting Rai because he directly attacked me. An eye for an eye. And I already said that everyone is a hypocrite. What are you trying to do, prove me right? Either way, next time you try to find an example of hypocrisy, actually pick one that's right. Then, "Why don't you die"? LOL! Because arguing on the internet obviously deserves death. You're a funny ignoramous. Yes you are. Yes you are. Yes you are! (Continues mocking you in pet talk.)Neo Bahamut 00:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Edit: I just got that "NeoBawmut" thing. When Rai said it, I thought he was just an idiot. But I see, it's an insult. You guys are so funny. As long as we all have nicknames now, I think I'll call you 2 "Rai Ballcum" "Fondling Zak's Underwear." Haha, not really. Stupid 2nd-grade-insult-nicknames aren't my style. I just wanted to give you both something to compare that little quip to, as far as cleverness goes.
Edit 2: And now I just learned that you're not a native speaker of English. I'm torn between feeling like a dick for insulting you about your grammar & not caring because you're sort of a dick anyway. Guess it's true what they say. "Whenever you meet someone just like you, you either automatically like them, or you automatically hate them."
(To a comment by ScatheMote way up there, before Neo Bahamut's "long-ass rant" - and that's a direct quote): I'm sorry if I REALLY insult anyone with this, but I just have to say this- "Mr. Thou!" (Gau, Final Fantasy VI, referring to Cyan.) The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, I call my rants "long ass" or "TL;DR" all the time.Neo Bahamut 00:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I mentioned that because it seemed the most distinctive part of that long-ass rant (it was a good description, by the way... I need one like that. Maybe, "I'm shutting up now 'cause my fingers hurt.") The reasoning behind this was that if anyone else got the joke (because you never played VI, you won't get it, can't get it, and never will get it, unless you click this helpful link) and wanted to know why I said it, or to see what comment I was referring to (so that they could get the joke,) they would know what to look for. I will now repeat myself like a broken record: "Mr. Thou!" The.DreadnoughT 01:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is it that we always have such a good turnout for the actual fights, but hardly anyone is voting on the suggestions anymore? Come on people, how do you think these fights show up here anyway? Go out there and excerscise your right to vote for which fight you want to come up next week! Maybe that will catch their attention. - Ninja of Wind- 01:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree. We need more people in there, giving their opinions on the fights. Less overall submissions, though. More often than not, they're just retarded, & they REALLY slow the page down.Neo Bahamut 00:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I also agree. However, because maybe some people are too (damn, there's no stronger word for this that isn't discriminatory...) stupid to figure out where that is (and too lazy to look,) I am sticking a second link to it on this page- the first one is way up at the top of the page. And maybe it would help if someone went through and removed all the fights that had already been used/accepted/whatever, and possibly get rid of anything more than a week (or some other time period) old with no votes or comments at all. That would probably help shorten the list and speed the page up. Or Neo Bahamut could get a better computer; the 0.3 seconds or so it takes mine to load the page is very reasonable. The.DreadnoughT 21:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey, fuck you, there's nothing wrong with my computer. It mainly freezes up when I'm trying to type.Neo Bahamut 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
That was hard. I almost voted for fighters because I LOOOOOOVE ninjas. But all the COOL ninjas can use magic (EDGE!), so I voted for mages anyway. DreamDevout 15:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Just so you know: Ninjas are cool, regardless of magic! Ninjas do not need magic to be awesome (because they would still be Ninjas, and therefore still be awesome, that's my point.) Magic just helps. (Real world ninjas didn't have magic, but they're still cool.) Just as nobody in VII needs Materia, but it still helps. Or like how in VI, characters don't need to be armed, but it still makes everything much easier. Or like how you don't need to spell everything write or avoid ungood grammar or using Newspeak (now I'm trying to annoy Neo Bahamut, 'cause he says he can contribute in English on a professional standard or something,) but it helps with legibility. Just wanted to throw that out there ( The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC))
Is it ninja or ninjas? Both? Does it still say that? I thought I changed it a while back to "above average." Guess I thought, "Fuck, I know the difference between who and whom when most people don't know the difference between your and you're, I DARE anyone to question me!" In any case, you're wasting my time. I don't bother correcting obvious attempts to annoy me. Also, I understand that you're joking. Should...probably make that clear....Neo Bahamut 00:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm it hard to vote this time. A balanced team needs both mages and fighters. Not having one or the other can get you screwed endgame. SUre I could pick mages for their awesomeness, but if a fighter wasn't there, taking the hits for them, they couldn't hope to unleash their awesomeness decently. Blazelord
I have a feeling this is gonna be a draw. Pure-Moneo 20:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
"Mages have low magic defense & warriors have high attack." The same logic could be applied in reverse, with magical attack & defense....Neo Bahamut 07:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Huh? What? Did I miss the memo about all FF mages having their magical defense lowered because it violated the Geneva Convention or something? Mages have low physical defense! The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
out of topic here, but who here thinks it would be cool to have a traditional turn-based final fantasy with characters from II-XIII? Firionklauser
Umm...that's what I was saying. Mages have high magical stats. Wait, I see what's wrong, I think I might have added a superfluous "magic" before defense.Neo Bahamut 00:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Depends if the graphics would be good or not. Armageddon11! 11:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Uh, when are you people (and the retards ...people... at Square Enix) going to learn the following:
GRAPHICS ALONE DON'T MAKE A GAME. THAT IS WHY HALO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A PIECE OF DOG SHIT.
Graphics are nice when graphics are good- but Halo still blows real hard. The original Command & Conquer still kicks ass, and the old, pre-3D (and pre-Good-3D - ie, VII) Final Fantasies are still good. The.DreadnoughT 00:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC
Agreed. I think people tend to focus too much on graphics, & just sort of say that a storyline is good without going into it. That's why I refuse to watch videogame reveiws.Neo Bahamut 00:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I fail to see how Halo is only good based on its graphics.Hellflash1416
You also fail to see the following:
HALO IS A PIECE OF DOG SHIT!
And just in case you haven't figured this out yet, Halo isn't good at all. It's graphics are pretty, that's all. If you get two games in every way except graphics more or less equal- I'll use Metal Gear Solid, MGS2: Sons of Liberty, and MGS3: Snake Eater as an example- the one with better graphics is better. MGS2 was better than MGS. Twin Snakes was also better than Metal Gear Solid, despite being a remake of Metal Gear Solid. Halo is a piece of dog shit not worth playing at all. Ditto for Halo 2, 3, and Wars (which is a poorly disguised Halo-themed ripoff of Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars, but I'll let EA sue Microsoft over that.) Now are we clear, blind (or very capable of missing the excessively obvious) one? The.DreadnoughT 21:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, i have to step in. Halo is a great game, no Killzone 2, but a great game. Amazing graphics, gameplay, everything? And if it is rubbish, then why did it make 170 million dollars in the US alone? — Ultima TheHigh Seraph 06:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I've got to stand with Ultima here. Though Halo is not my favorite game, the story and characters are incredible. Gameplay is incrediple as well. And might I also point out thaat you precious Final Fantasy is an over perpetuated cliche. In all of the games but the last two main story games(X, XII), the whole premise is based on you saving the world. Neither SIN nor Vayne were bent on destruction but instead the more plausable drive for world conquest. Plus the Halo graphics are not something that it actually has. If you were to play the game, you would realize that the graphics are not really that good. Plus, just because Wars is an RTS doesn't make it a C&C rip-off. That is like saying that every RPG is a Final Fantasy rip-off.--Werefang 13:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
wow you have a bad attitude dont need to get your panties in a bundle just because of what i said sheesh. and i enjoy halo as much as finalfantasy.Hellflash1416
just checking.--Werefang 18:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
"Kefka laugh." Unfortunately for that (actually funny; I did laugh) comment, my username is not derived from the airship that got blown up. FFII was released before I was born, and I haven't played it. Someday I might. The.Dreadnought (the The and "." are actually extraneous; whatever controls the username wouldn't let me just use "Dreadnought") is derived from the same thing the airship's name was- the British battleship built in 190(6? What? The book on ships I have said 1904...) carrying twelve twelve-inch guns, two to a turret, capable of 12 knots at top speed, and carrying twelve inches of armor, which recieved the name "Dreadnought" - the second? (I think, anyway; the first was a "100-gun" British Man-o'-War from the 1700s) British ship of that name. (Coincidentally, the third ship named Dreadnought is a British SSN; Also off topic, the British naming a ship "Dreadnought" is like the Americans naming a ship "Enterprise.") I've been using "Dreadnought" for this purpose for around six years. I'm also going to go put the explanation of my username on my userpage, so that I never have to say all of that again. And, just so you know: the real Dreadnought never sank. It was decommissioned. The Invincible-class "battlecruisers" had a tendency to blow up spontaneously, and a couple of Dreadnought-classes were lost in WWII, but the original was never sunk. Nor did it blow up. That a destroyed airship shares a name with me is pure coincidence (if still funny.) Go ahead, make fun of my rant about my username, I probably deserve it... But I insist that you never again connect me directly to that destroyed airship. Ever. This has been The.DreadnoughT defending his username, at 21:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
And, to Hellflash n, I must say: I'm only trying to point out something that should be fairly obvious (considering it was, in slightly different wording, already in ALL-CAPITALS boldface.) And followed it by stating my opinions. Maybe I'm just really bitter about Halo because I never got the chance to finish it before my brother sold his X-Box after he moved out. Also because I happen to be a Metal Gear fan, and Halo wants to (but fails at) challenge it. I give up on the Halo Wars thing, it being just like C&C may just be my opinion. (Though, actually, all RTS games trace their gameplay to one of three games released in the early 1990's: Command & Conquer (retroactively renamed Tiberian Dawn,) and either WarCraft (the RTS, not Blizzard's annoying MMORPG I hear far too much about from people who badly need a life) or StarCraft. So, it seems, that is not the same thing as saying all RPGs are based on or rip off FF; only about 1/2 of those are, not counting FF or Chrono- games. I will now shut up because my fingers hurt. The.DreadnoughT 21:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
This was presented in the fashion of summon versus summon, though personally I think it might be an ruse to get TacticAngel to vote for a character from Final Fantasy VI!
Votes for Jecht
First vote, and it's on a fight I rejected...>_> - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
X>VI, first off. Jecht would use his trademark "crybaby" lines on Terra for all her bitching about how she "can't feel love" for second. And third, Jecht is an asshole, I like assholes; Terra is a whiney bitch, I hate whiney bitches. Derum
I prefer VI to X, but I've always disliked Terra. I really don't see what alot of people are so giddy about her, she's no way near that compelling, and she's terribly boring, it's must be her lame Half-breed/super empowered angle she got. Anyway Jecht was(or rather seemed) like an extreme ass but he's really cool. Though I'd rather hang out with an ass than someone so bland they become an optional character. AnonyMan 06:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
This is HARD! I like Terra, yea, but Jecht is more to my liking. In terms of power, Jecht wins, hands down. In terms of personality, both of them shows "sadness" and "hardship", but Jecht's fate is more harsh without him going EMO (respect) and Jecht's story is sadder, I don't feel anything for Terra. I still like both of them, tho. Leon5550 10:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I hated FF6 so ill go with the one i've hardly played. Neosamuel
Sora G. Strife 12:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC):Though Terra is a superior character, Dissidia Jecht is broken beyond repair. I dub him Kain Highwind.
User:Blazelord Jecht looks awesome with that sword of his, and I like terra more than him, but he's more my fighting style.
Heretic Ramza This is a very odd battle but I choose Jecht since I haven't played FFVI yet. Plus, it takes a whole party to beat this guy and the heroes usually aren't as strong alone.
I don't know why these two are in the same match? I don't see anything they have in common. ANYWAY, I vote for Jecht 'cause he kind of, sort of redeems himself. :P Judge Balthier 14:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
A handicap parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually, in fact, a warning: that the spot belongs to Jecht and that you will be handicapped if you park there. --Tacochickenwings 15:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Just look at his sword it, would sumush, squish, slash the shit out of terra.--Blackwing11 22:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
While Terra's alternative coustume on Dissidia looks cute, Jecht is the REAL main charcter of FFXII, making him the representative off 2 FF games in Dissidia. Thats right, he's the main character of a game he wasen't seen or mentioned in, that proves how badass he is. Armageddon11! 22:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I HAVE NOT PLAYED VI YET EVEN THOUGH I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO! Once I get some more money I will be able to FINALLY buy FFVI. And play it. Therefore, I'm not sure if I like Terra more than Jecht because I have not played her game yet! Dammit! But I'm voting for Jecht because I love him to pieces and he is the coolest dad in the universe. I also have a bias favoring FFX, in case you have not noticed (look at my past Dragon's Neck voting records!) Violetmage
Nokareon: Voting for the true final boss of X. Now it would be a different matter if we could say Terra was the true main character of VI...
Because Terra's fanclub consists of......Gau. Sorry but I wanna go for the guy that wrought Chaos on a world for ten years and three months!Xlatinsorax 04:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
King of the shoopuffs --Zephyrus11 08:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
FinalAnnihilator I can't vote for a Final Fantasy I have never played, let alone FF VI, BUT DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE IT?? JECHT IS THE PERSONALISATION OF THE AWESOMENESS!!!
...I understand the link in this fight but...it's not very good. >_< Anywhom, Jecht is a hugely better character. Terra's annoying. And if they transform into their summoned forms, Jecht would kick her ass. Terra is a half-esper, while Jecht is the Final Aeon. C'mon. Fayth of the Turtles 11:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
SeKaLoYa 13:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)I have only played VII and above, except for XI, so I would say Jecht...the Classic FFs were probably super good quality games for their time, but I don't like Amano...At first at seeing their pics for the Colosseum I thought it was a fight based on the premise that this was like a Dissidia fight...Jecht is stronger but Terra is more magic-oriented.
Sevler425Definatly Jecht, I like how he was always bashing on Tidus, He affected alot of that game and he wasn't even there. Now thats cool.
User:MechaUltimaZero FFX was the very first FF game I played (not counting an FFVIII demo), and besides, Jecht was a pretty damned tough boss, not to mention I failed the Jecht Shot challenge the first couple of tries. Considering that the Jecht Shot is one of the best Blitzball techniques, that Jecht and Auron were Braska's guardians, became a summon--not that we get to use him-- AND he's the main character's dad, he simply many more accomplishments than Terra does. What has she really accomplished? She's a main character, and appears in Dissidia. Even considering that she's half-summon, Jecht became a FULL summon. In my book, that makes him a hands-down winner for this fight. Plus, I haven't played VI...
Hey I liked X and Jecht is pretty awesome -Saraija Merinas
User:Sera89: Yeah, Jecht just looks awesome, and people always talk about Terra being a half-esper and all, which is all good and well, but Jecht is a Final Aeon who's quickly becoming Sin, the near unstoppable force of destruction for Spira. And although I really liked Terra in her respective game, and although I believe X wasn't the "best" the series offers, Jecht was really cool. Can't say the same for his son though....
I've never played FFVI. Depending on what system it's for, I'll try to borrow it from one of my friends. Keeping my inexperience in mind, I turn to Terra's comments to judge her. All assertions that Terra is better than Jecht. Unconvincing, and a bit disappointing after some of our recent fights. Jecht's votes are the same way, so I can't really blame fans of VI. However, I know enough of Jecht to like him, so all factors considered, my vote must go go thim. I'm also noting a lot of comments suggesting that VI is lightyears ahead of X & everything else, which I shall address in the peanut gallery.Neo Bahamut 23:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Since the Dissidia artwork is used, I'll base my vote off of that game, in which Jecht DROPS FLAMING BOULDERS ON PEOPLE and hits them with a MASSIVE PADDLE SWORD AND HIS FISTS OF FURY. Terra, not so much for the flaming boulders. Tiny rocks, but not boulders.--Muchomas35 21:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
220.127.116.11 10:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Jecht got drunk and stabbed a shoopuff, their pilgrimage sound awesome :P
18.104.22.168 16:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC) I'll vote for Jecht cuz I've never played FFVI before, and I have played FFX, even though Terra looks awesome. Plus, Jecht's Dissidia artwork is really cool.
I agree with B.Wing he would do that with his sword--22.214.171.124 22:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
X sucked. VI was quite possibly the best SNES game, not to mention it never shot off a shoddy sequel that could of been contrived if you stuck X and a season of "charlies angels" in a blender. Exdeath64 05:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
WTF?! Terra is amazing in so many ways~ Jecht really isn't that awesome, either. He really isn't much at all compared to Terra<3 Yzz 07:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
This is more of a vote against Jecht than a vote for Terra. Ultima TheHigh Seraph 09:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Terra was controlled by the empire, but not totally destructive, which kind of nicer than what Sin/Jecht can do. She was branded a witch but her good side made her control herself, but Jecht can't control, neither stop destroying- which is why Terra's FTW Devil Breaker 10:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
WUT? This is like comparing a stone and a god. I like Jecht, but Terra is too much Terra! Jecht is a... 5/10 character, and Terra is a 15/10 one. Cute Terra <3 Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
BlueHighwind ツ: Just the way God made me. I'm voted for the real Terra, by the way, the one in my game. Not that strange blond girl up there.
I'll vote for the one who is not asshole. Kupuntu 13:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I love FFVI. I love Terra. I love using Terra in battle. This battle is a no brainer for me. However, if this was a solely Dissidia battle, I'd change sides. Terra is a Red Mage, not a helpless mage.ClixPsi
a shy girl >>>>> Meg Ryan's daddy. Lolcakes 14:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I kinda liked both, but Terra has more going on. Cluna06 00:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Once Terra knows the meaning of love, she would finally married to someone and have children who never whine. Jecht may be an awesome character, but his son was totally a whiner and a loser. (I'm sorry, Jecht *sobs*) MTC
She was one of the great female protagonists. Kuzlalala 03:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Final Fantasy VI is awesome. Terra is one of the best protagonists ever. This is a hands down win, it shouldn't even be close. Ozark0816 15:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Normally, I'd go with the antagonist (because in FF games, they're usually evil.) But when the antagonist is a total jackass, and is against someone from VI, too bad. Besides which, if this was a real fight, Terra would kick Jecht's ass around the corner a few times. Without moving. (That's what magic's for.) The.DreadnoughT 20:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
You were expecting something else? 8bit 23:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Terra is half esper and Jecht is Tidus' father. Is it really that complicated? - Ninja of Wind- 00:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Terra wasn't the Father of whiny, annoying character. Calarandir
I'll vote for Terra even though I just started playing FFVI and never played FFX... Personally, I prefer how Terra looks, than Je-... Jeck-... Jesch-... oh you know who. Pure-Moneo 17:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Terra`s story is far the coolest one yet, not to mention that she is the unique female character to be the main lead of a main series game
You're cool Jecht. You're not a good char, but cool. But... nevermind Zak Undersn 20:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Magic-human hybrid Vs Creepy father. Course I'm going with Terra. Archmael 22:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't like Terra at all. Jecht isn't a great thrill to me either. So i have to vote by game. VI is definately my fav with I, V, VIII, IX, and X all closely following. so Terra because of FINAL FANTASY VI!!!!!
Jecht is a good father... and he talks like a gangstah in dissida!! but ffvi was the best for me! and i also like Terra! Onionknight23
Terra is too awesome for me not to vote for her --StragusLore 04:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Terra Branford got my vote (a) She has a unique story (b) her smashing 'Trance' ability User:GabbianiSoul
SamSandy: Hmm, an abusive father versus one of the most endearing female characters in the whole series... Not such a hard decision.
I'd have voted for Terra regardless, but she beats Jecht in character definitly, Jecht is an ass. He's really like the jocks in high school only grown up. Terra's a beautiful, kind girl with skill with magic and the blade. -- User:Terra_Branford 06:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious? Better character, better game. Terra all the way!! 1stclasswarrior 15:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
It's a close call, as I like both characters, but Terra is better both as a "half-summon" and a character. Opario 21:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
There's only one character better than Terra. And that ain't her. RowdyCMoore
Terra rocks - she totally made FFVI great. Locke was good, Celes and Shadow rocked, but it was Terra that kept me coming back.
#126.96.36.199 09:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC) Terra was the first female hero in the Final Fantasy series. VI is an awesome game. And she has issues that are NOT to do with alcohol and having a son who has serious issues. So. Terra. Kicks. Jecht's. A**.
She's a playable character 188.8.131.52 13:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
184.108.40.206 23:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)- Never played VI, but Terra is very attractive so my vote goes to her.
While Terra is creepy, non-human, and well... purple.... I still like her over Jecht even though I've nearly beaten X and I've just started VI. Jecht just kinda pisses me off a lot. Sure Tidus could be a bit more manly at times, but I mean man, why focus so much on a drunkard abusing his kid? Terra is awesome with her Esper powers and all, plus I'm a little partial to chickies... especially against old dudes =)220.127.116.11 22:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't like Terra's japanese voice in Dissidia. She's shy, not stupid :/ Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 13:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I think Yukari Fukui (VA for Terra) didn't made Terra shy, but like someone who is concern for everyone because she might not control herself. She is somewhat afraid of her powers IMHO please do not hate me coz of my Simple opinion.Devil Breaker 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
It's obvious the character from FFVI is gona win. Overrated game is overrated.
Overrated game??? Are you kidding? If FFVI is a beloved game is because the game deserve it. Karu
There are at least some aspects about the game that get blown out of proportion. Like Kefka his fanboys are easily just as annoying as any Suckaroth fanboy. Never seen such foolishness for a 1-dimensional character. AnonyMan
Are you kidding me? FFVI was beloved years before the games became as popular as they are nowadays. FFX is the Dan Brown novel of the Series. Faethinverba volant 16:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Fanboys ARE annoying, it doesn't matter if they are Kefka fanboys or Seymour fanboys. Karu
Faethin, FFX isn't that bad! Geeze. --BlueHighwind ツ 19:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Haters can be just as annoying as fanboys.
Overrated is FFX, it has more fanboys than other game in the series (except VII) while it was a so-so game. It was good, but not FF-quality level. All one-digit FFs I have played are much better, but the people's hype is X (graphics?) Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 06:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
You'll cum if you play IV or VI then. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I do agree that the older FFs have more to them, but FFX's story was pretty good. You are only saying that because it is a post FFVII game. I can guarantee you if FFX came out in place of FFV and vice versa, you
would be saying how much FFV sucks and FFX rocked. Its just a matter of when it came out.
I like ToA more than many FFs and it come out after them o,o I'm talking about plot, characters, character development... A RPG is a tale, a interactive novel. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I have played IV and VI. I did cum. I mean... no I didn't. (shifty eyes) But um yeah, still like X better. There's just something about it that makes me love it despite Tidus and Wakka being utter pains in the asses. Fayth of the Turtles 22:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Then I respect your opinion. Sorry, I included you in the huge group of fanboys who only have played X and/or don't like the classics because they don't have cute-awesome graphics, they are too many people. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 15:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be stretching the truth a bit if we're classifying these two as summons. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
There!, there you go! They have almost nothing in common with each other. Judge Balthier 18:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Both are half summons, Terra naturally, and Jecht artificially. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 06:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I pity those who call VI overrated. Clearly they cannot appreciate a marvel when it's presented to them. For the time, for the series up until that point, for the technology available, for the subject matter, VI raised the bar beyond anything previously seen. I understand most fans broke their Final Fantasy cherries on VII and VIII, but look before them. Look at what preceded VI, look at the first five games. Consider their simplistic graphics, pale unexplored characters and villains, shallow storylines and worlds. Then look at VI again, and tell me it isn't a masterpiece. For what it was to games before it, for how it would affect games after, VI's legacy is one of brilliance. Drake Clawfang 18:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Considering that the masterpiece that is Chrono Trigger was released only a year later on the same system, VI is but another SNES game. And when you think about it, VI barely has character development. Template:BfDsig
More than most games before it had (bar IV). Drake Clawfang 21:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Drake is right. It ain't overrated. It didn't had much character development coz there's nothin to change from them, except the others...Devil Breaker 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
We voted for opposing characters, but I agree with Drake here. Consider the times of when the games came out. For a SNES game, VI was a masterpeice. The only problem I had X was the voice acting, but it was the first FF game with voice acting. To me, your all just overeacting and are too focused in what should be in a game. Personally, I don't care. I play games to have fun, so try to be a bit more relaxed. Blazelord
Whoever wrote Jecht's the main character from FFXII should be hit... with a stick. Leon5550 23:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Nah, let's be nice with the guy and call the ambulance to his new home on a crazy people hospital to be cured CookiePinguy 23:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Guys Lets be really nice to this person, and maybe he'll know his mistake, if he didn't maybe Mr Cookie here may bring him to the hospital up and personal ^^.Devil Breaker 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Lol to the person that already declared Terra the winner! 18.104.22.168 04:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Leon5550: You come anywhere near me with that stick and it'll be the last thing you do. CookiePinguy: No prisoncrazy people hospital can hold me. Devil Breaker: I have not learnt of any mistake, nor do I notice one in what I said, and Mr Cookie will be walking around with 2 black eyes if he comes between 50 feet of me, keepish. Armageddon11! 15:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok Mr Pocky, the last one i typed wasn't me, but my brother.... likes playing pranks at me, so sorry for the insult, and also he used my trademark Mr/Ms to make sure I look liked the one that typed it, sorry Mr Pocky...Devil Breaker 00:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Did you know that is the real big strong ugly and scary guys that usually have a strange and cute name like "Cookie" or "Pinguin"? ;D hehehe CookiePinguy 21:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't really say anything since I've never played FFVI. =|
Hey, who was complaining about being thrown in an asylum? I'll have you know that insane people are cool! (Points at BlueHighwind...) User:MechaUltimaZero 10:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
22.214.171.124 09:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)that's not insanity, that's inpsired logic and reason. those in asylums can't take over the world.
So FFVI isn't overrated, because it deserves it's popularity? LOL typical fanboy comment.
FFVI isn't overrated, because it was pretty good at the time? LOL that's the same thing the FFVII fanboys say about their game.
Sorry to tell you guys, but FFVI is extremelly overrated, losing only to FFVII. And your comments are proof of that.
Then all popular thing is overrated, right? Ok, you win mahboi. This world is overrated! Karu
You never sign up your comments. Why? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 17:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
How...Huh? I don't understand your logic at all. Try explaining HOW they're overrated.
"So FFVI isn't overrated, because it deserves it's popularity?"
Um, unless I misunderstand the term, "overrated" means it gets more popularity than it deserves. So um, yeah, that sentence is correct. Drake Clawfang 02:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, if you read Wikitionary or any other dictionaries, then you will know that overrated means "not as good or important as some people believe". MTC
Meaning that FFVII is not really overrated. But for some reason, the FFVI fanboys love to say it is. How funny.
...They're pretty much the same meanings? "Getting more popularity than it deserves" is essentially the same as being "not as good or as important as people believe."Fayth of the Turtles 07:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Read again: "not as good or as important as SOME people believe".
Bleh, let him live in his lollipop world, don't waste your time. If anything is popular and he don't like it, he will say "it's overrated", even if you explain what is overrated infinite thousand times. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 11:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Jecht's vote number 33 made me facepalm. "Boys are better than girls XP" We have a neanderthal here. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 11:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes I wonder why we just sit around hurling insult after insult at each other about which game is better or which character is emo or gay and insult all the hard work that Square Enix put into the series. Then I remembered, it's fun to berate each other, isn't it? Blazelord 12:18, 18 April 2009
Well, both are my two favorite FF games, yet I must say that X is a bit overrated... but not as much as VII is... Sephy fan boys are annoying me a little. In my opinion, older FFs are better than new ones. I enjoyed V more than VII.
It's funny how the FFVI fanbase like to call FFVII "overrated", but get pissed when somebody says the same about FFVI.
Naturally, I just had to plant my opinionated ass in here. And, as always, this is a continuation of my actual vote. Everyone who says "Sephiroth/VII" fanboys are getting annoying, please shut the Hell up & re-read the comments. Do you see anyone here plugging VII to you? No, you do not. This is a pretty consistent pattern. Those who bitch about VII fanboys always do it when there are no FFVII fans around. I don't see why they can't just let people enjoy the games. And yeah, I will say that VI is overrated. It's constantly trumpeted as pretty much the best FF game ever, and waaaay better than VII, although Kefka is just as cliche as Sephiroth, and half as deep. "I just like to destroy shit!" Yeah. One thing that VII & post-VII games have are motivations more complete than that. Particularly, X may not be as complicated as VII, storyline wise, but it's original. What is VI? "Psychotic douche knocks over some statues and becomes God"? I'm not against VI without even playing it, but quite honestly, from what I hear from the fans, it's nothing special. So, instead of attacking X & VII, perhaps said fans should go the route I go with my personal favorite & defend VI? Some hippy bullshit, some chiding remarks, okay, I think I'm done here.Neo Bahamut 23:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Fans, and Fanboys alike, when you hear Final Fantasy, you all should be proud of the 20 years of happiness that it brought. So lets just vote the deserving one and not brand the FF Games overrated. Why? Its like criticizing the game that we all love. Its like in a basketball game, we love it, we watch it. In this case, FF Games, we play it, we love it, we don't overvalue it. Devil Breaker 04:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
"If anything is popular and he don't like it, he will say "it's overrated","
Exactly like you, when you said FFX is overrated. Stop being an hypocrite, Rai.
Because is good, but not so good as fanboys says. They'll never accept the several shortages/weak points their game has. If you find several shortages/weak points about FFVI (or other game you want to say it's overrated), tell me, and I'll listen you. If you are wright I'll admit it. And sign up your comments, I want to know who is calling me hypocrite. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 18:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a really serious thing to call someone. Specially coming from a person who doesn't sign their edits. FFX is more than overrated, Deal. With. It.Zak Undersn 18:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I don't really think a case can be made for that. You really never hear about X. And "hypocrite" is not a very serious accusation. Everyone is one. That's why, when I argue, I try to avoid calling people hypocrites. It can be thrown right back at you.Neo Bahamut 20:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Hypocrite is a very serious accusation, at least in the real world. And coming back to FF, I always hear when anyone talk to me, about X or whatever. I only never hear tards and fanboys who has only played one or two games, and thinks they know everything about all games. Yeah, I don't like in what is becoming FF, but if you had played x and y game and you like more x, I respect that. Because as you said, everyone is one. If you don't believe me, just read this peanut again. And please answer me: you're the non-signing-up editor? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
No. Hypocrisy is not a serious accusation. And don't you dare post "UH-HUH!" again. No, you honestly do not respect people who have a preference to games. You more or less say that, unless someone has played all of at least the main games, they shouldn't be able to have an opinion. And you are DEFINATELY quick to accuse someone of being a fanboy. And yes, Rai. I, who keeps signing my edits, is the non-signing editor. Nothing retarded about that theory, or any of your other accusations, at all.Neo Bahamut 01:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
First: I'm not going to play the childish game "yes!" "no!" "yes!" "no!" about hypocrisy with you. Think whatever you want. Second: Don't play shuffling with me. It's logic that anyone who doesn't played x or y game, shouldn't be able to have a true opinion about them (x or y, not all games as you said). You can have an opinion about you have heared, but don't go playing as expert about the game itself. I myself haven't played all FF's, and that's why I don't opine about that games. I'll say it in other words: fanboys like you think their games are best than others which they haven't played and criticize them without know what are talking about. Third: Do you remember the Jenova vs Sin? You didn't sign up many edits. That's why I asked, not accused. Shuffling failed. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
(about Kefka just liking to "destroy shit," above...) Hey, people who just like to destroy shit are sometimes pretty awesome. Let me list a few: Kekfa (it is true, but he is also insane, and belongs in an asylum, which also breaks the point about people in crazy-hospitals not being able to take over the world, at least assuming they can leave) The Fury from MGS3 (whose self-introduction should be something like "I am The Fury! Everything Must Burn!") Similarly, Liquid Snake was a bit stupid, but still somewhat cool (and nearly imitated the Kefka laugh once, while I was fighting him at the end of the first MGS;) Emperor Palpatine (from Star Wars) wasn't that bad either, especially when he started blowing up the Rebel fleet; and Sephiroth really had no reason at all to want to a) massacre the inhabitants of, pillage, and burn down Nibelheim, or b) destroy the entire Planet, but he still did burn down Nibelheim, and nearly succeeded with Meteor; it got stopped, but still leveled Midgar (and I would say "Sephiroth defines awesome" but too many people would complain...) The.DreadnoughT just wanted to throw that out there at 01:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, people who just like to destroy shit CAN be pretty awesome. I'm a bit confused as to why you didn't list the Joker from The Dark Knight. I'm mostly countering those people who say that EVERYTHING VI does is above EVERYTHING else, especially VII. So, basically, I'm an anti-fanboy-fanboy. Or something like that. I don't know most of those examples, but there are 2 that do not belong: Emperor Palpatine clearly wanted to dominate the universe. He had a goal loftier than just destroying shit. And Sephiroth's reason to massacre Nibelheim was because he thought humans were traitors who led the Cetra to their death. After he found out the truth, his motivations are a little foggy, but he wanted to become God, which also makes him exempt from that. And, also remember that my impression of Kefka might not be entirely accurate. As I stated, I'm going by what I hear from his fans. And I know from experience that FFVII fans, for instance, often don't know what the Hell they're talking about.Neo Bahamut 01:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
1) Conquering the universe is not why he built the Death Star. He already had enough Star Destroyers and all them Stormtroopers to conquer the universe anyway. Blowing up a planet means that you cannot conquer it. Therefore it is a parallel goal. 2) Sephiroth may have "had" a reason to burn down Nibelheim, but it really wasn't much of a reason. Not enough to count. 3) I didn't include the Joker for two reasons (and I'm gonna take fire for one of them.) a) I already listed Kefka; b) Batman sucks. Oh, and did I mention that I AM a fan of FFVII, but I at least check what I'm talking about first? Then again, I may not be a suitable representative of FFVII fans; I liked Yuffie: "9999 damage to Seraph Sephiroth for no effort" and "Whinier but much funnier about it than the unmentionable FFVI character." The.DreadnoughT 03:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I said "dominate." I don't know much about Star Wars, but my impression of the Death Star was that it was basically a WMD to make everyone too piss scared to fight him. Plus, he had a lot of goals besides blowing shit up, which is kind of the point. As for Sephiroth, YES, those reasons are good enough. They're clearly more than "I just want to watch shit burn." That was the entire argument! And I think you're confusing "suitable" with "common." The common fan thinks that Cloud is stronger than Sephiroth. The suitable fan knows that Sephiroth is basically the baddest of the bad, storyline wise. I don't hate any of the main cast, least of all Yuffie. As for the Joker, he still would have been a much better example than Sephiroth, Batman rocks, and are you sure you listed Kefka? I wasn't reading very carefully, but if you did, that seems a little redundant, since we were talking about Kefka in the first place.Neo Bahamut 03:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You know what I really don't get? How the hell did FFVII even get involved here? The characters are from FFX and FFVI, VII was awesome, and in the middle, but it isn't invovled! What the hell?!?! Don't blame me for it, when someone calls Sephiroth "suckaroth" I get this urge to impale them with a sword, just to prove that Sephiroth is much better than they are. But that is impractical, immoral, and illegal, not to mention very messy, (and I don't own a sword, making it difficult) so I use words and "reasoned" argument (so bringing Sephiroth in was me helping defeat the impulse to impale whoever called Sephiroth such an ignorant, stupid name with the Masamune, more than anything else. Murder being a crime and all.) , like we all learn how to do in English class, but I didn't pay attention then, so... Maybe those two paragraphs are what one might call "venting?" Why am I arguing with someone whose opinions I at least partly agree with (ie, graphics don't make a game, VI is at least as good as VII, and that sometimes people who just like destroying shit are pretty awesome.) Oh, and the idea about mentioning Kefka being the same as mentioning the Joker, since you either failed to grasp it, or did and thought that wasn't what I meant, is that the Joker was the lame prototype for Kefka. And, fine, Sephiroth did have a reason to burn down Nibelhiem. It still has nothing to do with this fight. If you like VI and think its better than VII, great. If you think that X was the game to surpass all FF games, fine. If you love Ivalice, or want to destroy it to return a shitty real world, that's also fine. Just stop telling other people that their opinion about their game must be validated by playing another game, people. Let's come up with a new, better topic, such as the true meaning of life (wait, that's not debatable, it's 42...) or something else like that. The.DreadnoughT 03:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Umm...that's a lot to respond to...okay, here goes: VII pretty much always ends up getting involved with VI as, for some reason, in a conversation about FFVI, someone always feels the need to say how much better it is, &/or complain about the elusive "FFVII fanboys." The Joker CAN'T be a "lame prototype for Kefka," as Batman Begins (the only scenario that interprets him as an anarchist) came AFTERWARDS. And I highly doubt VI inspired BB, either. Sephiroth's reasons for destroying Nibelheim don't have anything to do with this fight. Neither does Darth Cidious having back-up clones of himself, creating 2 Death Stars, & generally being a psychopathic douchebag. That was all part of the distinction between motivations. Won't argue with "let people have theeir opinions." And, with regards to listing Kefka, I think you're the one who's not grasping it: It is REDUNDANT. We were already talking about Kefka, so listing Kefka as an example of someone who "just wants to destroy shit" while still being awesome to support the idea that Kefka can "just want to destroy shit" while still being awesome (which I never disagreed with) doesn't make sense. To potentially derail this conversation even further, it's like using a Bible quote to prove that the Bible is infalliable.Neo Bahamut 05:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow, there are a lot of long votes on Jecht. KuzlalalaSquee! 10:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
FinalAnnihilator First of all, I would like to agree 120% with the statement of Neo Bahamut. That almost is exactly what I would like to say. I too haven't played FFVI, and would love to, but the how aggresive FFVI fans become at those of other later Final Fantasies has actually made me hate it.
Yeah, I have to admit that it is a little of a put off. I've actually been more-or-less told to try FFVI & compare it to FFVII. I'm just thinking, "Why should I have to play a game to validate my enjoyment of another one?" I'm willing to try it, but not for that reason, & I just don't really feel like it, most of the time. Same with VIII, although with VIII, there is the added element that it would probably be way too difficult to find.Neo Bahamut 03:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You know i actually like both FF6 and FF7, living in Europe, 7 was my first FF and 6 was my first 16-Bit FF, if you don't count Origins (and i also liked FF10 for that matter) even with this stupid fanboy war.And i have to say that if's that your reason to hate a game that you even didn't played, to be influenced by people like that, you must be a very sad person... CookiePinguy 21:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You talking to him, or do you just not know how to read? Either way, "very sad person"? Wow, that's an awful lot of butthurt just because someone doesn't want to play a game that they've pretty much been conditioned to hate.Neo Bahamut 00:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes i was taking to him, but maybe you're the one that can't read, i said that it's very sad the fact to hate something that we don't know at all because of other's influences, but yeah you know, i also think is sad someone doesn't want to play a game that they've pretty much been conditioned to hate because of others. If i let people control me that way, and the lame state that our world is now, i would hate humanity by now. Why? "Pretty much been conditioned to hate". CookiePinguy 07:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
So you (NeoBawmut) play games to compare them with FFVII? I understand many things now. You hear the stupidities of a tard (because all tards says stupidities), and you think you know everythink of that theme. How disappointing. I understand any mention to FFX and FFVI (because this is a Jecht vs Terra, afterwards), and it's logic to make some reference to other game, but as someone told you before, who the fuck involved FFVII in this debate? You're transforming Jecht vs Terra in Kefka vs Sephiroth ._. You're always FFVII here, FFVII there... As I thought, you call people fanboys but you are the biggest one. In Spain we have a perfect proverb for you: "Ver la paja en el ojo ajeno pero no la viga en el propio". If you're bored, search for it's meaning.Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Eh? I didn't even see these here. If you're going to take shots at me, from now on, either do it in the current week, or take the bitching to my talk page, please? To Rai, that is so much fail that I don't even know where to begin. No, I complained at being more-or-less ordered to compare VI to VII, though I am curious as to why it's always trumpeted as some mythological deity. You do not understand many things, not the least of which is how to read a freakin' paragraph. I think you would be embarassed if you did, as you'd realize that my first reference to Sephiroth was attacking the at least a dozen posters who ranted about "FFVII fanboys" that weren't even HERE! I mean, did you not notice the repeated bitching about VII before I arrived? No, I did not, by any stretch of the imagination, drag VII into this. As always, I was responding to another post that referenced it. In particular, I refuse to let people bitch about being pestered by fanboys that are nowhere to be found. That is what I wish people like you would realize before they decide they want to paint me as some kind of crazed fanboy. To Pinguy, the fact is that you're still calling someone a very sad person for not wanting to play a game, which, quite frankly, is just dumb as Hell.Neo Bahamut 01:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Just take a look at the edit date. It was written before the current week fight. Well, about the "I complained at being more-or-less ordered to compare VI to VII, though I am curious as to why it's always trumpeted as some mythological deity", I have to excuse, you're wright, I understood it wrong. Following, the person who drag FFVII into this was the "mysterious editor" about the overrating, yeah, but the one who started the Kefka vs Sephiroth was you. I'm not going to lose more time arguing with a coward scared of let the people know who is, so I argued you, who continued his work (voluntary or not). Ah, and the people was attacking the fanboysm (or whatever it was): Sephiroth fanboys, Kefka fanboys, FFVII fanboys, FFVI fanboys, colored lights fanboys... all of them; because the "mysterious editor" accused all the people who like FFVI and think it deserves it's popularity of being fanboys like the FFVII fanboys. And well, let's just ignore this and the "mysterious editor" if he appears again. We all followed his trolling intentions. I'll not response anymore to this. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
You can find older fights in the Archives for the Dragon's Neck Colosseum. All of these fights are closed, so don't bother voting. All new votes will be removed.