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# Magic is just more fun. You can do more than just hit "Fight" every turn, too. There's different spells to choose from and just like... Wow :3 [[User:Yzz|Yzz]] 03:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 
# Magic is just more fun. You can do more than just hit "Fight" every turn, too. There's different spells to choose from and just like... Wow :3 [[User:Yzz|Yzz]] 03:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 
# I...I like both. But in the end I love magic more. Really, all fighters do is attack. Mages heal and inflict statuses and buff the party and use elements and Flare and Ultima and...yes. [[User:Fayth of the Turtles|Fayth of the Turtles]] 04:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 
# I...I like both. But in the end I love magic more. Really, all fighters do is attack. Mages heal and inflict statuses and buff the party and use elements and Flare and Ultima and...yes. [[User:Fayth of the Turtles|Fayth of the Turtles]] 04:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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# Fighters are tough, and once they get close enough, the battle gets rough, but how will they get close with blasts of Ultima and Holy tearing them apart, with no White Mage to assist them before their all down? [[User:Gyromite|Gyromite]] 06:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 
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Week 116: Fighters v. Mages

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Not so much Fighter versus Mage, but which are you? Do you prefer the tough, physical damage dealer or the apparently frail characters with hidden, mystical potential?

Votes for Fighters

  1. Because fighters can hit and be hit. Mages can only do half of the job. Leon5550 05:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  2. There's No MP limit for swords. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  3. Fighters are just more fun and generally are cooler characters as well. That goes for any game. Kicking chumps into outer space is always funnier than sitting back and throwing spells at it. Though seeing more RPGs with straight Mage-type MAIN characters would be cool not too many around. AnonyMan
  4. I like the fighters better. Usually I try to defeat my enemies dealing physical damage, but if it fails, I turn to magic, and not the other way around. Kudos for Mages, as well, as a FF party would be nothing without them! NeoSeth 09:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. Well some fighters can use magic and be hard hitters.User:Sasukekunai18:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. In many of the games, physical attacks tend to be the way to go, as magic costs a lot of MP for often limited returns. While FFVI proves how potent magicians can be, I find physical attacks generally get the job done for little extra cost.ClixPsi
  7. In comparison to ClixPsi's post above, I tend to agree that physical attackers are much better than mages. Sure, the fighter styled classes tend to lack big powerful moves, but they tend to get great abilities. Key point for this: Sabin's Phantom Rush. Deals almost as much as a Ultima spell, but costs much less than 80 MP... -_-; Sure, some might argue: 'Oh, but Ultima hits all enemies', true, but it still doesn't affect the fact that Phantom Rush costs NOTHING but a very easy roll of the controlpad (Or multiple single pushes of the direction).Yath 13:18 (1:18 PM) April 22, 2009 (UTC)
  8. FinalAnnihilator: Well, my vote surely goes to the melee classes. They are the ones that will kill the superbosses in the end. Most superbosses have elemental immunities, and in the end you will see that the superbosses are not as secondary as they seem. And along with them, that makes the warriors the most useful characters. But of course, casters in this case, are also used for healing, but this is clearly secondary so...
  9. I'm not really into magic... i like characters that holds strong weapons... OnionKnight23
  10. Because there's nothing more annoying than running out of MP halfway through a dungeon. Jeppo 15:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  11. I prefer physical damage and beautiful weapons. Karu
  12. BlueHighwind : JuJu la la peepod beebop beboop HAHAHAHAHA!
  13. On an unrelated but coincidentally similar note, E ahzuo jeumahla. MasterConjurer 22:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  14. I usually just attack. Magic is supplemental.--Werefang 23:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  15. My teams are usually made up of three fighters and one mage. Fighters clearly take priority for me. Mages are too limited due to MP. A full team of mages would never survive in a dungeon except with a bag load of ethers.--JohnnyC 23:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  16. Physical damage dealers are much more badass. Cluna 06 23:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  17. Fencers are physical attackers. So are people who use their bare hands. So is Cid Highwind. So is (human, but questioning of it) Sephiroth, other than when he casts Meteor. So is Locke (if thieves are fighters. I say Locke is anyway, 'cause he can use the Illumina and the Ragnarok.) So is Shadow, even if he's throwing Shurikens at people. On the other hand, most of the really cool mages are either at least half fighters (Terra, Chrono Trigger Magus) or something else not magic related, or they happen to be pure-mage actually-useful main characters who end up permanently dead (Aeris) or else who the player ALLOWS to be permanently dead, because the death scene is hilarious and they aren't vital (Montblanc in FFTA.) And there is no reflect for "Fight." Nor can anything "absorb" physical attacks. And they cost no MP. And Omnislash is also a physical attack. Enough said? The.DreadnoughT 00:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
  18. Wow, i like never vote on this side! Not a fan of either, i like Theif better, but this over Mage! 69.110.192.30 00:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
  19. Because they have the badass Dark Knight. --TenzaZangetsu 23 April 2009(UTC)
  20. In the long run, fighters generally outclass mages. Also, fighters are more consistent, they are not worried about running out of spells. ChaosEsperVII
  21. All right first off, I would like to personally thank the douche responsible for this entries suggestion with my Inquisitor up his ass for making me make this painful decision. Being a Red Mage/Dark Knight crossclass, most of my abilities end up being based off of both magic and weaponry. Yeah, THANK YOU SIR DOUCHEALOT! but in the end the magic by itself is downgraded and my strength stays the same. Not to mention I have swordgasms from the weaponry, but noever a spellgasm derum

Anonymous Votes

  1. Fighters can do more damage then Mages can. mages can only do half the damage then Fighters can, plus fighters can have cool looking weapons.
  2. Because swords actually take skill to use.
  3. Because fighters are just better than mages NOW AND FOREVER !!!!!

Votes for Mages

  1. I'm more partial to a mix of both, but flashy powers that can destroy the general landscape itself>wailing on somebody with a mace/sword/fist/etc.Neo Bahamut 05:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  2. I'm currently playing FF6 and the fighters there are pretty meh compared to the mages there. Lolcakes 05:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  3. Mages and Fighters are both cool. But, the Mages have the likes of Rydia, Terra, Aerith, Vivi, Golbez and Blackmage Evilwizardington. The Fighters are stuck with scrubs like Sesshiroth, Cyan, Umaro and Zell. In fact, the only fighters I really like are Cloud, Beatrix and Kain, and Zidane if you count Thieves as fighters. Anyway, Mages > Fighters.
  4. Swords are real. Magic is not. CookiePinguy 07:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. Summoners, Black Mages, Blue Mages, White Mages and friends against those pitiful warriors? Doesn't feel right. - Henryacores^ 09:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. I love both. I love the fury, the reflexes, the aplomb, the will of protect someone with your body even at the expense of your life... parrying, dodging, counterattacking... all that things that involves a melee fight. But I also love the caution, the patience, the strategy, the capacity to put your hand in someone's face and burn it into ashes or heal all his/her wounds... the cunning of create combos with the magic's effects... all that things that involves a magic fight. That's why my favourite class is Dark Knight, a offensive melee warrior with magic powers that never hesitate to sacriface him/herself. But if I have to choose one side, I think I have to choose the mysticism and the possibilities that magic offers to a fidget imagination like mine's. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  7. I always preffered the Mages, heck, I always preffered Magic-using classes in any game. Pure-Moneo 14:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  8. Art is a BLAST. And Mages can make some blasting and flashy stuff. :D - SilverSummonerTaLk 14:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  9. I love magic in general and would much rather blast my foes with Ultima or summon Bahamut as oposed to swinging an oversized sword or walking around in 80lbs of armor.User:Neosamuel
  10. ScatheMote 19:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  11. Magic is just a lot more fun to kill people than swords. You get to watch them explode instead of just slowly drowning in their own blood. If you can do both magic and sword-slashing, then I would give my soul to learn your secrets. All mystic knights automatically gain my respect, but magic by itself is powerful enough. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 20:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  12. Both have a certain appeal to me. Mages edge ahead because of their ability to shoot fire from their hands. SilverDragon28 21:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  13. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 22:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  14. User:RainbowCecil88 18:15, 22 April 2009 I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN! You can never go wrong with that!
  15. Skoot85 IT'S MAGIC (Harry Potter + Final Fantasy = Mage Fan)
  16. Magic is flashier, it's more versatile, it takes advantage of elements more efficiently, it can heal, it bestows positive status effects, and there are summons. Which own. And there's Vivi. 8bit 00:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
  17. Rydiaofmist Definitely magic users!
  18. Magic is just more fun. You can do more than just hit "Fight" every turn, too. There's different spells to choose from and just like... Wow :3 Yzz 03:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
  19. I...I like both. But in the end I love magic more. Really, all fighters do is attack. Mages heal and inflict statuses and buff the party and use elements and Flare and Ultima and...yes. Fayth of the Turtles 04:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
  20. Fighters are tough, and once they get close enough, the battle gets rough, but how will they get close with blasts of Ultima and Holy tearing them apart, with no White Mage to assist them before their all down? Gyromite 06:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. 209.244.43.61 02:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)I prefer mages by far as they can do different types of magic while fighters can usualy only hit with a sword BORING
  2. 209.244.43.61 02:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC) I like mages better because I find magic, black and white, more useful than brute force during a battle.
  3. 58.69.0.253 03:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

First comment, yay! As my vote sort of hints at, I'm kind of curious as to where the distinction lies. Red Mages, Spellblades, & the like are kind of both, as are most characters in most of the later titles. (VI & beyond? Don't quote me on that.)Neo Bahamut 05:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

"Swords are real. Magic is not" That's why magic is awesome pal ;D CookiePinguy 07:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

And Mages makes you actually think than always hiting the "A" ("X" whatever) Button XD CookiePinguy 07:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, you have to choose which nuke to use before you start mashing the action button. Unless you might need another specific spell. AnonyMan 08:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Try deafeat a super boss "mashing" the action button and see if that works ;) CookiePinguy 16:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Really well, accually. XD Yath 17:10 (5:10 PM), 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I did. Against Chaos in FFI. And the new secret boss.--Werefang 23:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Like I said in my vote, fighters are the true power at post-final boss content of Final Fantasies. Correct me of course, the only Final Fantasies I have played are VII X X-2 and XII, so I can't be sure, but in those cases, melee damage is the true power. But, I was partially 50-50 because of one reason: let's not forget how important mages are during the main storyline part of the game! FinalAnnihilator

You're partially right, but, but look at FFVI, the main hero is Terra, a Mage! Pure-Moneo 14:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
No, at most Terra is a Fighting Mage(Emphasis on Fighting). She can learn Magic but she also has decent physical stats and can equip lots of Armors and what not. In fact she'd classify better as a Fighter than Mage. AnonyMan
Based on what I've seen and heard she is a Red Mage (which neither excel as fighters or mages; just saying).--Werefang 23:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Red. Mage. Rocks. Although messing with reality is just awesome. But you can't do a cool pose with a staff, while you can with a sword, and that's why Red Mages rule. They can mess with the very fabric of reality itself while they do a cool pose, they are just Redmagetastic ((c) me). That said, i'm not gonna vote, that would be betraying them. Zak Undersn 15:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

This is a tough choice. Fighters are meat-heads that can only swing swords around, but even though mages are the source of ultimate power and magic, they are limited by MP. How can I choose? - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 20:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

MP limits: 1 MP cost, no MP cost (sometimes), mana regeneration accessories, and ethers. Cool poses: When Aerith uses Healing Wind, her staff floats in front of her. I always thought that was pretty damn cool. Superbosses: Umm...physical attacks do great damage...how? Those bosses usually have great physical defenses. Elemental affinities don't really matter, with spells like Ultima. And I'm specifically questioning using VII as an example. Ruby Weapon is easily brought down with a combination of Hades & Knights of the Round castings.Neo Bahamut 21:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

And Aspir exists. However, FFVII is a really bad example for bad mages, when you have support materias as MP Absorb, MP Turbo, Quadra Magic... or the famous/infamous combo: Knights of the Round+HP Absorb & Mimic. W Magic is useful too (W Magic & Ultima+Quadra Magic =8xUltima, then you mimic and...). The only game I rarely used magic is FFVIII because I love junctions, and commands as Recover and Revive are really useful, making magic, many times, unnecessary. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's true, as well. The materia system was fun to screw around with, but the game balance was really, really bad. I mean what, besides Ruby & Emerald Weapons, is going to survive 2 castings of Knights of the Round?Neo Bahamut 23:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering, because this could affect my vote: are Gunners technically a form of indirect fighter, or just not involved? The.DreadnoughT 22:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Gunners are rangers I think. If they were in either section, they would be fighters, but not really.EDIT: I think it should be thought of this way: Do you use physical strikes or magic attacks more.--Werefang 23:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Gunners aren't involved, then. (The bullets, however, are physical attackers, right?) The.DreadnoughT 00:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


I can't decide. I Like both fighters and mages and I likes swords and Magic. What should I choose?  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 00:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Spoil the ballot. Vote for both, and then they won't count! (Spoiling the ballot is more politically relevant then abstaining is, apparently. Or so they taught me in Civics, anyway.)
And to Ninja of Wind's vote: If I can bring Chrono Trigger into this, then I have just one word to say: Magus. Otherwise, there are three ways to do that: Be a character from FFVI able to equip the Illumina (or whatever the hell it got renamed in the GBA version, Lightbulb or something like that) or Ragnarok, so you can use a big physical and random-cast "Pearl" (Holy) or Flare at the same time. The second method is to be Terra, particularly with said weapons. The third method involves Materia. Or go play Tactics Advance, get out a Viera, go learn the Summons, Elemental magic, Red magic, and White magic, then go make her be a Fencer or Assassin (This also works with a Human and Black, White, Blue (if you have the patience; I don't,) magic, and Phantasm Skills, then go be a Fighter, Soldier, Ninja or Paladin. Or with a Moogle, same idea. Oh, wait: that's four ways... Oh well. The.DreadnoughT 00:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, that's five ways. I refuse to pay with my soul like I said I would because of that false advertising. And about the stuff with FFTA, putting a fighter and mage together isn't the best arrangement. If you started off as a fighter, you would have high attack, but low MP, and vis versa for starting with mage. Also, you can only choose one magic type to put on your fighter in the end because of the two ability slot maximum, and that's without items. I am still working on acquiring FF6, so I'll save that advice for when I can understand it better. But it's the thought that counts, so thanks. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 01:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

About the latest vote for fighters, all of those are compelling arguments, but I think Sephiroth just kind of uses whatever's easier at the time. Safer Sephiroth was pretty much all magic attacks, except for Havoc Wing. I always just sort of figured it was like how you wouldn't waste MP on a level 1 monster if you were like, level 87, unless you had the no MP ability & were looking to entertain yourself with the pretty colors.Neo Bahamut 00:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I specified the human form of Sephiroth (i.e., Sephiroth when he burns down Nibelhiem, or when he kills everyone in the Shin-Ra building in Midgar.) ("(human but questioning of it) Sephiroth") - The.DreadnoughT 00:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I caught that later. But he still uses a healthy amount of magic. Essentially, Sephiroth just screws up all sense of classes by being God. Just like your average anime villain.Neo Bahamut 01:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is it that we always have such a good turnout for the actual fights, but hardly anyone is voting on the suggestions anymore? Come on people, how do you think these fights show up here anyway? Go out there and excerscise your right to vote for which fight you want to come up next week! Maybe that will catch their attention. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 01:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Week 115: Jecht v. Terra

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This was presented in the fashion of summon versus summon, though personally I think it might be an ruse to get TacticAngel to vote for a character from Final Fantasy VI!

Votes for Jecht

  1. First vote, and it's on a fight I rejected...>_> - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  2. X>VI, first off. Jecht would use his trademark "crybaby" lines on Terra for all her bitching about how she "can't feel love" for second. And third, Jecht is an asshole, I like assholes; Terra is a whiney bitch, I hate whiney bitches. Derum
  3. N/A 06:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. I prefer VI to X, but I've always disliked Terra. I really don't see what alot of people are so giddy about her, she's no way near that compelling, and she's terribly boring, it's must be her lame Half-breed/super empowered angle she got. Anyway Jecht was(or rather seemed) like an extreme ass but he's really cool. Though I'd rather hang out with an ass than someone so bland they become an optional character. AnonyMan 06:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. This is HARD! I like Terra, yea, but Jecht is more to my liking. In terms of power, Jecht wins, hands down. In terms of personality, both of them shows "sadness" and "hardship", but Jecht's fate is more harsh without him going EMO (respect) and Jecht's story is sadder, I don't feel anything for Terra. I still like both of them, tho. Leon5550 10:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. I hated FF6 so ill go with the one i've hardly played. Neosamuel
  7. Sora G. Strife 12:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC):Though Terra is a superior character, Dissidia Jecht is broken beyond repair. I dub him Kain Highwind.
  8. User:Blazelord Jecht looks awesome with that sword of his, and I like terra more than him, but he's more my fighting style.
  9. Heretic Ramza This is a very odd battle but I choose Jecht since I haven't played FFVI yet. Plus, it takes a whole party to beat this guy and the heroes usually aren't as strong alone.
  10. I don't know why these two are in the same match? I don't see anything they have in common. ANYWAY, I vote for Jecht 'cause he kind of, sort of redeems himself. :P Judge Balthier 14:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  11. A handicap parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually, in fact, a warning: that the spot belongs to Jecht and that you will be handicapped if you park there. --Tacochickenwings 15:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  12. ArableLadle : Oh yea one of my favourite characters
  13. JEKUTO FINGAA!!!!!! - Henryacores^ 19:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  14. ChaosEsperVII I vote for the Blitz King.
  15. Just look at his sword it, would sumush, squish, slash the shit out of terra.--Blackwing11 22:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  16. While Terra's alternative coustume on Dissidia looks cute, Jecht is the REAL main charcter of FFXII, making him the representative off 2 FF games in Dissidia. Thats right, he's the main character of a game he wasen't seen or mentioned in, that proves how badass he is.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 22:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  17. I HAVE NOT PLAYED VI YET EVEN THOUGH I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO! Once I get some more money I will be able to FINALLY buy FFVI. And play it. Therefore, I'm not sure if I like Terra more than Jecht because I have not played her game yet! Dammit! But I'm voting for Jecht because I love him to pieces and he is the coolest dad in the universe. I also have a bias favoring FFX, in case you have not noticed (look at my past Dragon's Neck voting records!) Violetmage
  18. Nokareon: Voting for the true final boss of X. Now it would be a different matter if we could say Terra was the true main character of VI...
  19. Because Terra's fanclub consists of......Gau. Sorry but I wanna go for the guy that wrought Chaos on a world for ten years and three months!Xlatinsorax 04:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  20. King of the shoopuffs --Zephyrus11 08:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  21. FinalAnnihilator I can't vote for a Final Fantasy I have never played, let alone FF VI, BUT DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE IT?? JECHT IS THE PERSONALISATION OF THE AWESOMENESS!!!
  22. Jecht hands downBlackheart1991 11:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  23. ...I understand the link in this fight but...it's not very good. >_< Anywhom, Jecht is a hugely better character. Terra's annoying. And if they transform into their summoned forms, Jecht would kick her ass. Terra is a half-esper, while Jecht is the Final Aeon. C'mon. Fayth of the Turtles 11:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  24. SeKaLoYa 13:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)I have only played VII and above, except for XI, so I would say Jecht...the Classic FFs were probably super good quality games for their time, but I don't like Amano...At first at seeing their pics for the Colosseum I thought it was a fight based on the premise that this was like a Dissidia fight...Jecht is stronger but Terra is more magic-oriented.
  25. Sevler425Definatly Jecht, I like how he was always bashing on Tidus, He affected alot of that game and he wasn't even there. Now thats cool.
  26. User:MechaUltimaZero FFX was the very first FF game I played (not counting an FFVIII demo), and besides, Jecht was a pretty damned tough boss, not to mention I failed the Jecht Shot challenge the first couple of tries. Considering that the Jecht Shot is one of the best Blitzball techniques, that Jecht and Auron were Braska's guardians, became a summon--not that we get to use him-- AND he's the main character's dad, he simply many more accomplishments than Terra does. What has she really accomplished? She's a main character, and appears in Dissidia. Even considering that she's half-summon, Jecht became a FULL summon. In my book, that makes him a hands-down winner for this fight. Plus, I haven't played VI...
  27. Hey I liked X and Jecht is pretty awesome -Saraija Merinas
  28. Selhiroth: My votes always go to FFX...
  29. User:Sera89: Yeah, Jecht just looks awesome, and people always talk about Terra being a half-esper and all, which is all good and well, but Jecht is a Final Aeon who's quickly becoming Sin, the near unstoppable force of destruction for Spira. And although I really liked Terra in her respective game, and although I believe X wasn't the "best" the series offers, Jecht was really cool. Can't say the same for his son though....
  30. Skoot85He's kinda cool :D
  31. BrodyGunner - Have to give it to Jecht, but Terra's awesome too.
  32. Because he looks cool. An admin can remove this vote if that's not a good enough reason.--Bek (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
  33. Thunderboi Boys are better than girls XP
  34. Lockhart: Final Aeon > Half Esper
  35. Josejoejoey 12:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  36. I've never played FFVI. Depending on what system it's for, I'll try to borrow it from one of my friends. Keeping my inexperience in mind, I turn to Terra's comments to judge her. All assertions that Terra is better than Jecht. Unconvincing, and a bit disappointing after some of our recent fights. Jecht's votes are the same way, so I can't really blame fans of VI. However, I know enough of Jecht to like him, so all factors considered, my vote must go go thim. I'm also noting a lot of comments suggesting that VI is lightyears ahead of X & everything else, which I shall address in the peanut gallery.Neo Bahamut 23:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  37. Since the Dissidia artwork is used, I'll base my vote off of that game, in which Jecht DROPS FLAMING BOULDERS ON PEOPLE and hits them with a MASSIVE PADDLE SWORD AND HIS FISTS OF FURY. Terra, not so much for the flaming boulders. Tiny rocks, but not boulders.--Muchomas35 21:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. 89.240.176.54 10:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Jecht got drunk and stabbed a shoopuff, their pilgrimage sound awesome :P
  2. 63.215.27.209 16:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC) I'll vote for Jecht cuz I've never played FFVI before, and I have played FFX, even though Terra looks awesome. Plus, Jecht's Dissidia artwork is really cool.
  3. I agree with B.Wing he would do that with his sword--82.198.235.242 22:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. 69.125.31.3 04:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. 195.248.127.175 17:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Terra

  1. X sucked. VI was quite possibly the best SNES game, not to mention it never shot off a shoddy sequel that could of been contrived if you stuck X and a season of "charlies angels" in a blender. Exdeath64 05:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  2. WTF?! Terra is amazing in so many ways~ Jecht really isn't that awesome, either. He really isn't much at all compared to Terra<3 Yzz 07:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  3. This is more of a vote against Jecht than a vote for Terra. Ultima The High Seraph 09:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. Terra was controlled by the empire, but not totally destructive, which kind of nicer than what Sin/Jecht can do. She was branded a witch but her good side made her control herself, but Jecht can't control, neither stop destroying- which is why Terra's FTW Devil Breaker 10:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. WUT? This is like comparing a stone and a god. I like Jecht, but Terra is too much Terra! Jecht is a... 5/10 character, and Terra is a 15/10 one. Cute Terra <3 Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. 2 words: TERRA'S HAWT!!!JudgeMasterKefka 20:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  7. BlueHighwind : Just the way God made me. I'm voted for the real Terra, by the way, the one in my game. Not that strange blond girl up there.
  8. I'll vote for the one who is not asshole. Kupuntu 13:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  9. I love FFVI. I love Terra. I love using Terra in battle. This battle is a no brainer for me. However, if this was a solely Dissidia battle, I'd change sides. Terra is a Red Mage, not a helpless mage.ClixPsi
  10. a shy girl >>>>> Meg Ryan's daddy. Lolcakes 14:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  11. I like.--BigCubby 15:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  12. Faethinverba volant : Those who vote for Jecht against Terra earn my eternal hatred.
  13. Easy. Terra is a great character in a great game. No, I'm not talking about Dissidia. Karu
  14. Soren 4ever 16:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC): Terra, HANDS DOWN!!! She is a billion times better than Jecht. Jecht is just an overrateD ASS!!!
  15. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 16:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  16. Template:BfDsig
  17. Drake Clawfang 18:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  18. Cute blondie > Crazy old man. Lol. Really, I hate Jecht more than Tidus... -Alarielle- 19:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  19. Tragedian Terra was great in battle and I love her design. Terra was just great.
  20. I love Terra more then anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 20:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  21. TERRA TERRA TERRA!!!!!i need to say more? CookiePinguy 20:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  22. User:RainbowCecil88 17:33, 14 April 2009 Terra's story is tragically beautiful while Jecht's is merely tragic. Terra should win this one!
  23. ScatheMote 22:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  24. I kinda liked both, but Terra has more going on. Cluna 06 00:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  25. Once Terra knows the meaning of love, she would finally married to someone and have children who never whine. Jecht may be an awesome character, but his son was totally a whiner and a loser. (I'm sorry, Jecht *sobs*) MTC
  26. She was one of the great female protagonists. Kuzlalala 03:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  27. Final Fantasy VI is awesome. Terra is one of the best protagonists ever. This is a hands down win, it shouldn't even be close. Ozark0816 15:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  28. Normally, I'd go with the antagonist (because in FF games, they're usually evil.) But when the antagonist is a total jackass, and is against someone from VI, too bad. Besides which, if this was a real fight, Terra would kick Jecht's ass around the corner a few times. Without moving. (That's what magic's for.) The.DreadnoughT 20:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  29. You were expecting something else? 8bit 23:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  30. Terra is half esper and Jecht is Tidus' father. Is it really that complicated? - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 00:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  31. Meh i like Terra more than Jecht -Yuffie2211
  32. Rydiaofmist
  33. My vote goes to Terra Mr_Darkside
  34. Terra wasn't the Father of whiny, annoying character. Calarandir
  35. I'll vote for Terra even though I just started playing FFVI and never played FFX... Personally, I prefer how Terra looks, than Je-... Jeck-... Jesch-... oh you know who. Pure-Moneo 17:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  36. Terra`s story is far the coolest one yet, not to mention that she is the unique female character to be the main lead of a main series game
  37. You're cool Jecht. You're not a good char, but cool. But... nevermind Zak Undersn 20:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  38. Magic-human hybrid Vs Creepy father. Course I'm going with Terra. Archmael 22:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  39. I don't like Terra at all. Jecht isn't a great thrill to me either. So i have to vote by game. VI is definately my fav with I, V, VIII, IX, and X all closely following. so Terra because of FINAL FANTASY VI!!!!!
  40. Jecht is a good father... and he talks like a gangstah in dissida!! but ffvi was the best for me! and i also like Terra! Onionknight23
  41. Terra is too awesome for me not to vote for her --StragusLore 04:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
  42. Terra Branford got my vote (a) She has a unique story (b) her smashing 'Trance' ability User:GabbianiSoul
  43. SamSandy: Hmm, an abusive father versus one of the most endearing female characters in the whole series... Not such a hard decision.
  44. User:Kuponutter Terra gets my vote! No Doubt about it.
  45. user:neveryuna24 Terra is so the best character
  46. I'd have voted for Terra regardless, but she beats Jecht in character definitly, Jecht is an ass. He's really like the jocks in high school only grown up. Terra's a beautiful, kind girl with skill with magic and the blade. -- User:Terra_Branford 06:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  47. Isn't it obvious? Better character, better game. Terra all the way!! 1stclasswarrior 15:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  48. It's a close call, as I like both characters, but Terra is better both as a "half-summon" and a character. Opario 21:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  49. There's only one character better than Terra. And that ain't her. RowdyCMoore
  50. Terra rocks - she totally made FFVI great. Locke was good, Celes and Shadow rocked, but it was Terra that kept me coming back.

Anonymous Votes

  1. 69.232.159.190Dude, c'mon she's an ESPER!
  2. #87.80.197.171 09:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC) Terra was the first female hero in the Final Fantasy series. VI is an awesome game. And she has issues that are NOT to do with alcohol and having a son who has serious issues. So. Terra. Kicks. Jecht's. A**.
  3. She's a playable character 217.44.4.103 13:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. 75.181.21.7 23:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)- Never played VI, but Terra is very attractive so my vote goes to her.
  5. 58.69.0.89 08:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)My favorite
  6. While Terra is creepy, non-human, and well... purple.... I still like her over Jecht even though I've nearly beaten X and I've just started VI. Jecht just kinda pisses me off a lot. Sure Tidus could be a bit more manly at times, but I mean man, why focus so much on a drunkard abusing his kid? Terra is awesome with her Esper powers and all, plus I'm a little partial to chickies... especially against old dudes =)162.40.215.229 22:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I don't like Terra's japanese voice in Dissidia. She's shy, not stupid :/ Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 13:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I think Yukari Fukui (VA for Terra) didn't made Terra shy, but like someone who is concern for everyone because she might not control herself. She is somewhat afraid of her powers IMHO please do not hate me coz of my Simple opinion.Devil Breaker 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious the character from FFVI is gona win. Overrated game is overrated.

Overrated game??? Are you kidding? If FFVI is a beloved game is because the game deserve it. Karu
There are at least some aspects about the game that get blown out of proportion. Like Kefka his fanboys are easily just as annoying as any Suckaroth fanboy. Never seen such foolishness for a 1-dimensional character. AnonyMan
Are you kidding me? FFVI was beloved years before the games became as popular as they are nowadays. FFX is the Dan Brown novel of the Series. Faethinverba volant 16:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Fanboys ARE annoying, it doesn't matter if they are Kefka fanboys or Seymour fanboys. Karu
Faethin, FFX isn't that bad! Geeze. --BlueHighwind 19:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Haters can be just as annoying as fanboys.
Overrated is FFX, it has more fanboys than other game in the series (except VII) while it was a so-so game. It was good, but not FF-quality level. All one-digit FFs I have played are much better, but the people's hype is X (graphics?) Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 06:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Overrated? It was incredible. ^^Fayth of the Turtles 12:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
You'll cum if you play IV or VI then. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I do agree that the older FFs have more to them, but FFX's story was pretty good. You are only saying that because it is a post FFVII game. I can guarantee you if FFX came out in place of FFV and vice versa, you
would be saying how much FFV sucks and FFX rocked. Its just a matter of when it came out.

69.125.31.3 13:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Rai <3 Karu
I like ToA more than many FFs and it come out after them o,o I'm talking about plot, characters, character development... A RPG is a tale, a interactive novel. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I have played IV and VI. I did cum. I mean... no I didn't. (shifty eyes) But um yeah, still like X better. There's just something about it that makes me love it despite Tidus and Wakka being utter pains in the asses. Fayth of the Turtles 22:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Then I respect your opinion. Sorry, I included you in the huge group of fanboys who only have played X and/or don't like the classics because they don't have cute-awesome graphics, they are too many people. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 15:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be stretching the truth a bit if we're classifying these two as summons. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC) There!, there you go! They have almost nothing in common with each other. Judge Balthier 18:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Both are half summons, Terra naturally, and Jecht artificially. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 06:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I pity those who call VI overrated. Clearly they cannot appreciate a marvel when it's presented to them. For the time, for the series up until that point, for the technology available, for the subject matter, VI raised the bar beyond anything previously seen. I understand most fans broke their Final Fantasy cherries on VII and VIII, but look before them. Look at what preceded VI, look at the first five games. Consider their simplistic graphics, pale unexplored characters and villains, shallow storylines and worlds. Then look at VI again, and tell me it isn't a masterpiece. For what it was to games before it, for how it would affect games after, VI's legacy is one of brilliance. Drake Clawfang 18:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Considering that the masterpiece that is Chrono Trigger was released only a year later on the same system, VI is but another SNES game. And when you think about it, VI barely has character development. Template:BfDsig
More than most games before it had (bar IV). Drake Clawfang 21:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Drake is right. It ain't overrated. It didn't had much character development coz there's nothin to change from them, except the others...Devil Breaker 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
We voted for opposing characters, but I agree with Drake here. Consider the times of when the games came out. For a SNES game, VI was a masterpeice. The only problem I had X was the voice acting, but it was the first FF game with voice acting. To me, your all just overeacting and are too focused in what should be in a game. Personally, I don't care. I play games to have fun, so try to be a bit more relaxed. Blazelord

Whoever wrote Jecht's the main character from FFXII should be hit... with a stick. Leon5550 23:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Nah, let's be nice with the guy and call the ambulance to his new home on a crazy people hospital to be cured CookiePinguy 23:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Guys Lets be really nice to this person, and maybe he'll know his mistake, if he didn't maybe Mr Cookie here may bring him to the hospital up and personal ^^.Devil Breaker 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Lol to the person that already declared Terra the winner! 69.125.31.3 04:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Leon5550: You come anywhere near me with that stick and it'll be the last thing you do. CookiePinguy: No prisoncrazy people hospital can hold me. Devil Breaker: I have not learnt of any mistake, nor do I notice one in what I said, and Mr Cookie will be walking around with 2 black eyes if he comes between 50 feet of me, keepish.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok Mr Pocky, the last one i typed wasn't me, but my brother.... likes playing pranks at me, so sorry for the insult, and also he used my trademark Mr/Ms to make sure I look liked the one that typed it, sorry Mr Pocky...Devil Breaker 00:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Did you know that is the real big strong ugly and scary guys that usually have a strange and cute name like "Cookie" or "Pinguin"? ;D hehehe CookiePinguy 21:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't really say anything since I've never played FFVI. =|

It's okay Mr Breaker.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 09:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, who was complaining about being thrown in an asylum? I'll have you know that insane people are cool! (Points at BlueHighwind...) User:MechaUltimaZero 10:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

92.26.196.179 09:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)that's not insanity, that's inpsired logic and reason. those in asylums can't take over the world.

So FFVI isn't overrated, because it deserves it's popularity? LOL typical fanboy comment. FFVI isn't overrated, because it was pretty good at the time? LOL that's the same thing the FFVII fanboys say about their game. Sorry to tell you guys, but FFVI is extremelly overrated, losing only to FFVII. And your comments are proof of that.

Then all popular thing is overrated, right? Ok, you win mahboi. This world is overrated! Karu
You never sign up your comments. Why? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 17:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
How...Huh? I don't understand your logic at all. Try explaining HOW they're overrated.

Fayth of the Turtles 01:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

"So FFVI isn't overrated, because it deserves it's popularity?"
Um, unless I misunderstand the term, "overrated" means it gets more popularity than it deserves. So um, yeah, that sentence is correct. Drake Clawfang 02:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, if you read Wikitionary or any other dictionaries, then you will know that overrated means "not as good or important as some people believe". MTC

Meaning that FFVII is not really overrated. But for some reason, the FFVI fanboys love to say it is. How funny.

...They're pretty much the same meanings? "Getting more popularity than it deserves" is essentially the same as being "not as good or as important as people believe."Fayth of the Turtles 07:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Read again: "not as good or as important as SOME people believe".

Bleh, let him live in his lollipop world, don't waste your time. If anything is popular and he don't like it, he will say "it's overrated", even if you explain what is overrated infinite thousand times. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 11:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Jecht's vote number 33 made me facepalm. "Boys are better than girls XP" We have a neanderthal here. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 11:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes I wonder why we just sit around hurling insult after insult at each other about which game is better or which character is emo or gay and insult all the hard work that Square Enix put into the series. Then I remembered, it's fun to berate each other, isn't it? Blazelord 12:18, 18 April 2009

Well, both are my two favorite FF games, yet I must say that X is a bit overrated... but not as much as VII is... Sephy fan boys are annoying me a little. In my opinion, older FFs are better than new ones. I enjoyed V more than VII.

It's funny how the FFVI fanbase like to call FFVII "overrated", but get pissed when somebody says the same about FFVI.

Naturally, I just had to plant my opinionated ass in here. And, as always, this is a continuation of my actual vote. Everyone who says "Sephiroth/VII" fanboys are getting annoying, please shut the Hell up & re-read the comments. Do you see anyone here plugging VII to you? No, you do not. This is a pretty consistent pattern. Those who bitch about VII fanboys always do it when there are no FFVII fans around. I don't see why they can't just let people enjoy the games. And yeah, I will say that VI is overrated. It's constantly trumpeted as pretty much the best FF game ever, and waaaay better than VII, although Kefka is just as cliche as Sephiroth, and half as deep. "I just like to destroy shit!" Yeah. One thing that VII & post-VII games have are motivations more complete than that. Particularly, X may not be as complicated as VII, storyline wise, but it's original. What is VI? "Psychotic douche knocks over some statues and becomes God"? I'm not against VI without even playing it, but quite honestly, from what I hear from the fans, it's nothing special. So, instead of attacking X & VII, perhaps said fans should go the route I go with my personal favorite & defend VI? Some hippy bullshit, some chiding remarks, okay, I think I'm done here.Neo Bahamut 23:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Fans, and Fanboys alike, when you hear Final Fantasy, you all should be proud of the 20 years of happiness that it brought. So lets just vote the deserving one and not brand the FF Games overrated. Why? Its like criticizing the game that we all love. Its like in a basketball game, we love it, we watch it. In this case, FF Games, we play it, we love it, we don't overvalue it. Devil Breaker 04:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

"If anything is popular and he don't like it, he will say "it's overrated","

Exactly like you, when you said FFX is overrated. Stop being an hypocrite, Rai.

Because is good, but not so good as fanboys says. They'll never accept the several shortages/weak points their game has. If you find several shortages/weak points about FFVI (or other game you want to say it's overrated), tell me, and I'll listen you. If you are wright I'll admit it. And sign up your comments, I want to know who is calling me hypocrite. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 18:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a really serious thing to call someone. Specially coming from a person who doesn't sign their edits. FFX is more than overrated, Deal. With. It.Zak Undersn 18:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I don't really think a case can be made for that. You really never hear about X. And "hypocrite" is not a very serious accusation. Everyone is one. That's why, when I argue, I try to avoid calling people hypocrites. It can be thrown right back at you.Neo Bahamut 20:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Hypocrite is a very serious accusation, at least in the real world. And coming back to FF, I always hear when anyone talk to me, about X or whatever. I only never hear tards and fanboys who has only played one or two games, and thinks they know everything about all games. Yeah, I don't like in what is becoming FF, but if you had played x and y game and you like more x, I respect that. Because as you said, everyone is one. If you don't believe me, just read this peanut again. And please answer me: you're the non-signing-up editor? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
(about Kefka just liking to "destroy shit," above...) Hey, people who just like to destroy shit are sometimes pretty awesome. Let me list a few: Kekfa (it is true, but he is also insane, and belongs in an asylum, which also breaks the point about people in crazy-hospitals not being able to take over the world, at least assuming they can leave) The Fury from MGS3 (whose self-introduction should be something like "I am The Fury! Everything Must Burn!") Similarly, Liquid Snake was a bit stupid, but still somewhat cool (and nearly imitated the Kefka laugh once, while I was fighting him at the end of the first MGS;) Emperor Palpatine (from Star Wars) wasn't that bad either, especially when he started blowing up the Rebel fleet; and Sephiroth really had no reason at all to want to a) massacre the inhabitants of, pillage, and burn down Nibelheim, or b) destroy the entire Planet, but he still did burn down Nibelheim, and nearly succeeded with Meteor; it got stopped, but still leveled Midgar (and I would say "Sephiroth defines awesome" but too many people would complain...) The.DreadnoughT just wanted to throw that out there at 01:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, people who just like to destroy shit CAN be pretty awesome. I'm a bit confused as to why you didn't list the Joker from The Dark Knight. I'm mostly countering those people who say that EVERYTHING VI does is above EVERYTHING else, especially VII. So, basically, I'm an anti-fanboy-fanboy. Or something like that. I don't know most of those examples, but there are 2 that do not belong: Emperor Palpatine clearly wanted to dominate the universe. He had a goal loftier than just destroying shit. And Sephiroth's reason to massacre Nibelheim was because he thought humans were traitors who led the Cetra to their death. After he found out the truth, his motivations are a little foggy, but he wanted to become God, which also makes him exempt from that. And, also remember that my impression of Kefka might not be entirely accurate. As I stated, I'm going by what I hear from his fans. And I know from experience that FFVII fans, for instance, often don't know what the Hell they're talking about.Neo Bahamut 01:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
1) Conquering the universe is not why he built the Death Star. He already had enough Star Destroyers and all them Stormtroopers to conquer the universe anyway. Blowing up a planet means that you cannot conquer it. Therefore it is a parallel goal. 2) Sephiroth may have "had" a reason to burn down Nibelheim, but it really wasn't much of a reason. Not enough to count. 3) I didn't include the Joker for two reasons (and I'm gonna take fire for one of them.) a) I already listed Kefka; b) Batman sucks. Oh, and did I mention that I AM a fan of FFVII, but I at least check what I'm talking about first? Then again, I may not be a suitable representative of FFVII fans; I liked Yuffie: "9999 damage to Seraph Sephiroth for no effort" and "Whinier but much funnier about it than the unmentionable FFVI character." The.DreadnoughT 03:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I said "dominate." I don't know much about Star Wars, but my impression of the Death Star was that it was basically a WMD to make everyone too piss scared to fight him. Plus, he had a lot of goals besides blowing shit up, which is kind of the point. As for Sephiroth, YES, those reasons are good enough. They're clearly more than "I just want to watch shit burn." That was the entire argument! And I think you're confusing "suitable" with "common." The common fan thinks that Cloud is stronger than Sephiroth. The suitable fan knows that Sephiroth is basically the baddest of the bad, storyline wise. I don't hate any of the main cast, least of all Yuffie. As for the Joker, he still would have been a much better example than Sephiroth, Batman rocks, and are you sure you listed Kefka? I wasn't reading very carefully, but if you did, that seems a little redundant, since we were talking about Kefka in the first place.Neo Bahamut 03:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You know what I really don't get? How the hell did FFVII even get involved here? The characters are from FFX and FFVI, VII was awesome, and in the middle, but it isn't invovled! What the hell?!?! Don't blame me for it, when someone calls Sephiroth "suckaroth" I get this urge to impale them with a sword, just to prove that Sephiroth is much better than they are. But that is impractical, immoral, and illegal, not to mention very messy, (and I don't own a sword, making it difficult) so I use words and "reasoned" argument (so bringing Sephiroth in was me helping defeat the impulse to impale whoever called Sephiroth such an ignorant, stupid name with the Masamune, more than anything else. Murder being a crime and all.) , like we all learn how to do in English class, but I didn't pay attention then, so... Maybe those two paragraphs are what one might call "venting?" Why am I arguing with someone whose opinions I at least partly agree with (ie, graphics don't make a game, VI is at least as good as VII, and that sometimes people who just like destroying shit are pretty awesome.) Oh, and the idea about mentioning Kefka being the same as mentioning the Joker, since you either failed to grasp it, or did and thought that wasn't what I meant, is that the Joker was the lame prototype for Kefka. And, fine, Sephiroth did have a reason to burn down Nibelhiem. It still has nothing to do with this fight. If you like VI and think its better than VII, great. If you think that X was the game to surpass all FF games, fine. If you love Ivalice, or want to destroy it to return a shitty real world, that's also fine. Just stop telling other people that their opinion about their game must be validated by playing another game, people. Let's come up with a new, better topic, such as the true meaning of life (wait, that's not debatable, it's 42...) or something else like that. The.DreadnoughT 03:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Umm...that's a lot to respond to...okay, here goes: VII pretty much always ends up getting involved with VI as, for some reason, in a conversation about FFVI, someone always feels the need to say how much better it is, &/or complain about the elusive "FFVII fanboys." The Joker CAN'T be a "lame prototype for Kefka," as Batman Begins (the only scenario that interprets him as an anarchist) came AFTERWARDS. And I highly doubt VI inspired BB, either. Sephiroth's reasons for destroying Nibelheim don't have anything to do with this fight. Neither does Darth Cidious having back-up clones of himself, creating 2 Death Stars, & generally being a psychopathic douchebag. That was all part of the distinction between motivations. Won't argue with "let people have theeir opinions." And, with regards to listing Kefka, I think you're the one who's not grasping it: It is REDUNDANT. We were already talking about Kefka, so listing Kefka as an example of someone who "just wants to destroy shit" while still being awesome to support the idea that Kefka can "just want to destroy shit" while still being awesome (which I never disagreed with) doesn't make sense. To potentially derail this conversation even further, it's like using a Bible quote to prove that the Bible is infalliable.Neo Bahamut 05:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, there are a lot of long votes on Jecht. Kuzlalala Squee! 10:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

FinalAnnihilator First of all, I would like to agree 120% with the statement of Neo Bahamut. That almost is exactly what I would like to say. I too haven't played FFVI, and would love to, but the how aggresive FFVI fans become at those of other later Final Fantasies has actually made me hate it.

Yeah, I have to admit that it is a little of a put off. I've actually been more-or-less told to try FFVI & compare it to FFVII. I'm just thinking, "Why should I have to play a game to validate my enjoyment of another one?" I'm willing to try it, but not for that reason, & I just don't really feel like it, most of the time. Same with VIII, although with VIII, there is the added element that it would probably be way too difficult to find.Neo Bahamut 03:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You know i actually like both FF6 and FF7, living in Europe, 7 was my first FF and 6 was my first 16-Bit FF, if you don't count Origins (and i also liked FF10 for that matter) even with this stupid fanboy war.And i have to say that if's that your reason to hate a game that you even didn't played, to be influenced by people like that, you must be a very sad person... CookiePinguy 21:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
You talking to him, or do you just not know how to read? Either way, "very sad person"? Wow, that's an awful lot of butthurt just because someone doesn't want to play a game that they've pretty much been conditioned to hate.Neo Bahamut 00:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes i was taking to him, but maybe you're the one that can't read, i said that it's very sad the fact to hate something that we don't know at all because of other's influences, but yeah you know, i also think is sad someone doesn't want to play a game that they've pretty much been conditioned to hate because of others. If i let people control me that way, and the lame state that our world is now, i would hate humanity by now. Why? "Pretty much been conditioned to hate". CookiePinguy 07:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
So you (NeoBawmut) play games to compare them with FFVII? I understand many things now. You hear the stupidities of a tard (because all tards says stupidities), and you think you know everythink of that theme. How disappointing. I understand any mention to FFX and FFVI (because this is a Jecht vs Terra, afterwards), and it's logic to make some reference to other game, but as someone told you before, who the fuck involved FFVII in this debate? You're transforming Jecht vs Terra in Kefka vs Sephiroth ._. You're always FFVII here, FFVII there... As I thought, you call people fanboys but you are the biggest one. In Spain we have a perfect proverb for you: "Ver la paja en el ojo ajeno pero no la viga en el propio". If you're bored, search for it's meaning.Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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