Votes for Ramuh
- First vote, yay!!! BlueLionheart (T/C) 02:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Second vote. There's something I just find very cool about Ramuh. He may be an old man, but he's got spunk. In short, I like him better because he has more of a personality than Leviathan. George B. (talk) 04:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- He had way more storyline purpose than Leviathan. --BigCubby 11:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I prefer the elderly. Besides, Leviathan should be this bigass fish, not some eel. Leon5550 13:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Easier to kill, less MP to use, but less powerful...two out of three ain't bad. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- That rumble we call "thunder" is caused by air literally EXPLODING. Last time I checked, when water falls from the sky, little kids and dogs play in it, rather than hiding under the bed. And water doesn't cause the air to explode.The.Dreadnought 21:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- While Leviathan may have debuted first, Ramuh is the thurder summon on par with Shiva and Ifrit. He may have been shafted in recent titles, but he use to be the standard for thunder summons. Ramuh's story importance has typically exceeded Leviathan. Ramuh was a sort of guiding spirit for the parties of FFVI and IX by pointing the groups in the right direction before they became actual summons. The best Levianth got was being the king of the Feymarsh in FFIV. ClixPsi
- I hate Ramuh, but I hate Leviathan more. Waffletime 12:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Akbaroth 05:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)i cried tears of joy after reading vote #6
- Skoot85 uhhh i like ramuh :D
- Vegna Gunner It's the classic case of thunder vs water, so there's no arguement in a fight
- AnonyMan: Well, Ramuh is a cool Summon, especially in the games where he's got a character and personality(like IX). I have much respect for Leviathan, though, and I'm quite surprised with the number of votes he has.
- Char6296 Eh, the guy has helped me so many times in FFIV. :)
- cloudiroth Lightning > Water. (and also machine's that one never made sense, surely water would be better, short circuit them or something). Oh, and infinitely useful thunder god > slightly awesome but hard to look at sea dragon, that is initially cool but soon realised completely useless (VIII was the only time i think I ever use the leviathan summon more than once).
- T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I expected him to lose, but not this badly...
Kairyu - Erm... it's a thunder elemental versus a water one. No contest, even if one of them's a frail old man and the other's a huge sea serpent. In this case, the oldie FRIES the serpent.
CG - Ramuh has personality, a spark, if you will. My vote goes to him over Levvy.
Votes for Leviathan
- BlueHighwind ツ: Water is blue, so I always liked that element the best.
- Leviathan is one of my favorite summons, and its FFVIII artwork is a favorite talk bubble image of mine. 8bit 02:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I have a Leviathan Master Creatures figure...sorry Ramuh...Chocolancer 02:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- The Leviathan is my second favorite summon next to Bahamut. NeoZEROX 02:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Uhh.. Lolcakes 03:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- First vote: Lightning is blue, too. Meh. I never liked Ramuh as a summon. Or any other of the lightning summons, either. Plus, Leviathan is usually more powerful. And it's worshipped as a GOD in FFVII! Phallic or not, it's getting my vote!Neo Bahamut 04:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Derum Leviathan FTW, Baby!
- ...Because Leviathan has an airship named after it. (There's no Airship named Ramuh, right?) Also, Ramuh was a random encounter at FFV. It attacked when my party was dying. DVardonir 10:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan PWNS!!!!! and he was the first GF you could boost to over 200 percent damnage and had a REALLY cool animation. --Gerdat14 11:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Tsunami beats Judgement Bolt any day of the week. Jeppo
- All hail Leviathan!!! My favorite summon :3 Karu
- Levy! CookiePinguy 13:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm an Aquarius and Leviathan represents water...so yeah... Judge Balthier 13:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I always loved Leviathan, is my second favourite summon. It's a fucking awesome-cool-huge- dragonlike sea serpent, like Jormungand <3 I specially like the VIII version. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Even though water is weak to lightening, I'm still going to go with Leviathan. The damage it usually causes is of "Biblical proportions", lol Heretic Ramza
- If it was quesacotl, i woluld have voted differently, however Lavisthan look awesome in VIII. And Ramuh reminds me of the worst ideah aver, a God version of Tellah. 1stclasswarrior 14:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah I idea for a battle got picked again :) Mr_Darkside 19:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan is beautiful...and pretty much kills everything until you get Bahamut. - Henryacores^ 18:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- ScatheMote 20:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Go the snake thing!! AtmaCrisis 23:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan is one of the hidden summons that you have to fight as a boss before useing, so that puts it on the same level as Behamut, but nowhere close to beating him. Ramuh doesn't stand a chance. - Ninja of Wind - 00:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan saved my butt in FFVIII. I've also always had a fascination with water. Violetmage
- BrodyGunner - Leviathan kicks ass, without legs!
- Rydiaofmist: This one is easy. Water is my favorite element, and I'm a huge fan of serpents.
- No contest whatsoever. Seeing as you get Leviathan near the end of most Final Fantasy games, I'm gonna have to vote for Leviathan, because as much as Ramuh has helped me through the series... Leviathan's just bad-ass. KytaEternal 08:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- SeKaLoYa 13:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Thunder and lightning can be avoided, but what makes it CERTAIN DEATH is if you're drenched in water...
- I just love Leviathan. Serpents are too friggin' awesome. And Leviathan is above that. Anyway, Ramuh rocks. An old man who can strike people with thunderbolts aimed to his own cane can't be any bad. But Leviathan is far greater than that, he's... Leviathan. Zak Undersn 15:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sevler425Leviathan was one of my favorite Summons, he had alot of power plus hes kinda unique. And water is just a cool element.
- Water's my element. -Alarielle- 16:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- BLOOD!!! Armageddon11! 17:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have to say Leviathan. I absolutely love the Leviathan summon and i really didn't care for the old dude with the lightning. If it was like Leviathan vs Bahamut, or Leviathan vs Shiva, i would have a harder time choosing. so LEVY ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leonhart178 19:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- The lord of of the sea dragons pwns the crothcety old geezer OwlEye 19:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan! Wish he had been in X, they needed a water summon. --Zephyrus11 21:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan would so kick Ramuh's butt, anytime, anyday. Soldier of Light
- --JohnnyC 01:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I've just always like Leviathan more. I think it's his art... I dunno, I just like him! 126.96.36.199 02:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was always wondering why he wasn't an aeon in ffx. ChaosEsperVII
- Leviathan. Sibyrihl
- I'm currently listening to Blue by A Perfect Circle. And blue is such a lovely colour for you. I love being random. :D Template:BfDsig
- This was kinda hard, but in the end... SOLDIER1stJ
- Leviathan looks cooler, even though I don't even know this summon (I only know Ramuh) Kuzlalala 12:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think Leviathan is cooler even tho I don't use summons that much. Kupuntu 19:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- A giant Leviathan vs a puney little man... you do the math.--Blackwing11 01:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Lockhart - Gotta go with Leviathan here.
- Leviathan's a mighty sea beast, Ramuh's an old man... SonOfAJenova 20:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Leviathan is the best. Kurokikaze 09:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Maverick Riot
- RoxasXIII While Ramuh is often wise, Leviathan is a complete badass, being far stronger, harder to get etc. Also he usually has better summon animations.
- Mr. Rojo: I like a lot Leviathan, he is strong, he usually has great summon animations & i like more water. 20:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- 188.8.131.52 21:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC) Even though I'm unfamiliar with both summons, I have to vote for Leviathan, mostly because I prefer water over lightning, his name has more elegance than Ramuh, he seems more beautiful, and not to mention that I luv aqua way more than electric blue and lightning gold / yellow. =)
- 184.108.40.206 I have lots of respect for Ramuh, but I gotta vote for Leviathan due to its massive power. Usually, Leviathan is second only to Bahamut in terms of damage/power
- 220.127.116.11 20:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...I'm really having a hard time deciding on this one. I happen to like both elements. Cluna 06 02:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yuck, it took me forever to decide. BlueLionheart (T/C) 02:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Technically, if you drop the toaster (or any other electrical appliance for that matter) into the bath then nothing would happen. The electricity won't reach the water in the bath for the simple reason that it would melt the fuse of the toaster. Jeppo 12:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Technically, if you drop the toaster and the fuse doesn't melt, the electrical current won't reach the water either. Water is a poor conductor. What would fry the person in the bathtub would be the electricity moving through the metallic ions dissolved in the water. Faethinverba volant 15:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
It would have been cooler if it had Quetzacoatl. In my opinion. Judge Balthier 13:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Quetzal rulz. In the original aztec mythology, Ramuh and him are the same person. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- DS artwork may have been better, Ramuh just looks like a multicoloured cloth. 1stclasswarrior 14:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
To the guy who said that Leviathan should be a fish: Are you aware of the fact that the Bible SPECIFICALLY refers to Leviathan as a serpent & a dragon? Also, moar nitpicking: A lightning bolt is very unlikely to injure a person. Nine times out of ten, they strike nothing. Sure, they CAN take out a dozen people at once, but lightning is unpredictable and unreliable. A tsunami, on the other hand, WILL tear through a third world country and kill hundreds of people, as well as destroying the general landscape and architecture.Neo Bahamut 23:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, sometimes Leviathan is represented as a giant whale. Karu
- And as a huge (and usually fat) shark. I saw representations of Leviathan as a inmense abyssal fish, too. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 20:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, but are those portrayls ACCURATE to the ORIGINAL description? The only one I would say makes a claim to be what Leviathan "should be" is a whale, as it's often been theorized that Leviathan is like most sea monsters: Overexaggerations of something that actually exists. And even then, as a fantasy genre, it should go with the exaggerated version.Neo Bahamut 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Originally, God created in the fifth day of the creation two monstrous whale-like fishs: male and female. God killed the female, because if they were to procreate the world could not stand before them, but had mercy on the male, called Leviathan. In the Bible adaptation, the one killed was the male. Search well in the Bible (or use google, wikipedia can help you too). Sin (FFX) is a more accurate version of the original Leviathan than the summon one. The original Bahamut was a ugly fish, too XD By the way, why are you always shouting in your edits? relax, man. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, the very firsts representations of the Leviathan were a plain fish. A big one, but a fish. No more, no less. Anyway, with the time, the word twisted and the appearance of the monster did too. Some of the quotes about the Leviathan mention him like a gigantic (hundreds of miles in lenght) fish with horns. Also, biblic Behemot is ugly. Zak Undersn 22:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, I get the point, the Bible is a vague-ass book that doesn't give any useful details. But seriously, who wants a fish? Then again, there is like a 16-foot long fish that is essentially a sea serpent....
- If you don't like the fish version, ok everyone respects your opinion, but don't go saying that the serpent one is the original, because it's not true. And no. A 16-foot long fish is not a sea serpent. It can be fat. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- And bitch, it is EMPHSESIS. ALL CAPS! is shouting. ALL CAPS. is emphesis. ALL CAPS with some lower case letters! Is a bit of both. If there is a bold function, I have no idea how to use it, and no desire to learn.Neo Bahamut 00:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just STFU, will you? Zak Undersn 12:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Again insulting *sigh*. Simply use your eyes. When you edit, the bold function code is in the left side. It appears as default. Using caps all the time is really annoying. And you too. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Seriously mercy rule Osf 22:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh no, another landslide victory! I didn't know everyone loved Leviathan, I thought Ramuh was a well-liked summon. Chocolancer 04:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- What on Earth would make you say that? An old guy who shoots lightning. Bo-ring.Neo Bahamut 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, this was pretty much lopsided. That was unexpected. IMO. I hate those types of matches. Judge Balthier 14:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is that Leviathan is more powerful in many games. And power is what's most important for a summon, isn't it ? -Alarielle- 16:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Not at all, many people (like me) prefers coolness. If you make a match between... Ifrit and... Titan, Kjata, Typhoon or someone else I probably will vote Ifrit, I just love him. Same in a Shiva vs Ultima. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 19:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Most people probably go with power, but add me to the coolness (& usefulness, in some cases) tally. If you put Valefor and Anima up against each other, I'd vote for Valefor. Anima is cool, but...ooh, dark summon. So original. And yeah, I don't like landslides, either.Neo Bahamut 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
To the person wondering why Leviathan wasn't in FFX: Too similar to Sin. There also might be some problems in designing the summon to fit with the rest, but the carving in Crisis Core really reminded me of an FFX Leviathan.Neo Bahamut 01:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- That's probably true... I'm just used to the games having a water summon. The element is just as central as lightning/blizzard/fire in the games. At least as far as summons go... They don't use water magic much... Plus A fayth statue of leviathan would look so raw. ChaosEsperVII
- The monster in the Monster arena entrance wall looked like Leviathan. I saw a fan picture of A Leviathan fayth statue and Tidus was the fayth as it was Yuna's final summoning fayth, It was kinda koolMr_Darkside 13:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- You an FFT fan? (Joke about you using a "k" instead of a "c.") Anyway, that Final Aeon thing makes sense, in a way. Too bad we'll never know for sure.
- And really, they screw you over with elements all the time. VII had several annoying ones: Alexander was the ONLY holy attack, there were no water spells, you couldn't use Aero despite having 2 wind summons (I think that was a last minut e exclusion, actually--there was a Quake spell), and there were several attacks that used multiple elements, and if the enemy was healed by or immune to 1, then the entire attack was wasted.
- Then, in FFT, a lot of enemies were weak to water, but your only water attack was Leviathan.
- Also, Crisis Core particularly annoys me, because it has fire/lightning/and blizzard materia, but only the fire element makes any difference--and not often--in your enemies.Neo Bahamut 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Mr. Darkside if you woulf show me that Fayth statue, I would greatly appreciate it. It would make sense that Tidus would take that form because of the whole water theme with him. ChaosEsperVII
What a very weird outcome. Especially considering Water is a fairly unpopular and underrepresented element. Anony
- To be honest, I'm not surprised in the slightest. Ramuh is so...unimpressive. I remember seeing him for the first time in FFVII, and going, "What the Hell was that?! It was just some old guy!" I took an instant preference to Ixion (even though I'm not fond of him, either.) I mean, damn, at least when Shiva attacks, she doesn't look like she's riddled with arthiritis!Neo Bahamut 07:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- I love Ixion. ChaosEsperVII
- Unicorns suck. Especially ones with pointlessly ornate and topheavy horns. And someone mentioned being confused at why lightning worked on machines: That confused me at first, too, but when you think about it, most technology is waterproofed. A lightning bolt, on the other hand, will ALWAYS cause a short circuit. Even so, it's not like that in every game. In Crisis Core, lightning didn't do anything special robots, much to my dismay. They just made robots devoid of MP to drain, the bastards.Neo Bahamut 00:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- The biggest cheap shot when it comes to Machines vs Thunder is the fact that their weak against it in FFX, but asorb it in FFX-2. Armageddon11! 10:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)