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It's a close race so far, but can someone pull it out in the final leg? --[[User:Gamer2127|<font color="darkred">'''<font size="big">Gamer</font>'''</font>]][[User talk:Gamer2127|<font color="navy">'''<font size="small">2127</font>'''</font>]] 01:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 
It's a close race so far, but can someone pull it out in the final leg? --[[User:Gamer2127|<font color="darkred">'''<font size="big">Gamer</font>'''</font>]][[User talk:Gamer2127|<font color="navy">'''<font size="small">2127</font>'''</font>]] 01:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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As of 7:35 US Central, it appears that this one is looking like a draw by way of the "10% rule," folks. I think it's only fitting but it's your call, [[User:TacticAngel|TA]]. --[[User:JARIITX|<font color="#0000FF">'''Tex'''</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk: JARIITX|<font color="#000000">'''HOWDY!!!'''</font></sup>]] 00:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 
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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section will be deleted. Users who do not log in when they vote will be considered anonymous IPs, and their votes also will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 84: Black Mage v. White Mage

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Winner!!
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Ebony and Ivory are not living in peace and harmony this week. The war of the Mages. Forget Red, Green, Arcane, Blue, and all those other little colors, this week we go back to the roots of Magic, Black Mage v. White Mage.

Votes for Black Mage

  1. METEOR!!! JudgeZarbi
  2. Though I've probably voted for the White Mage before, I'm going with Black Magic this time. True, the WM can keep the party healthy, but if you can nuke everything before it becomes a threat who needs healing? Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, in this case explosive light show offense. And the BLMs have good representatives, like Montblanc and the ever popular Vivi. AnonyMan
  3. Because Black Mages are awesome. Gamer2127
  4. Duh (That's 3 in a row now). --SCM 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  5. Black mages like Vivi and Lulu are so gonna own those weaklings! Squallinoa 08 01:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  6. Who needs defense when you can squash the enemy in a few seconds?! DVardonir 01:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  7. Just because you can heal with items, WHM is not "Needed" - Materiasdraw
  8. See username. Black Mages have two distinct areas of advantage over White Mages: First, their ability to take advantage of elemental weaknesses or blast away foes with non-elemental spells like Flare. Second, Drain and Osmose means BMs can become self-restoring Energizer Bunnies. Doesn't help other party members, equip an elemental absorbing armor if you want to complain :P Also, there is Vivi. 8bit 01:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  9. Oranejo 02:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  10. I really like both Black and White mages, and every time I can I have at least one of each in my party, but Black Mages are way funnier to play with! Healing might be useful, and at some times necessary, but it's boring as hell! Plus, when it comes to representatives to each class I'd easily choose Rydia, Palom, Vivi, Lulu and Doga over Rosa, Porom, Eiko, Yuna and Aria... - Rihya
  11. Deadlyslashsword: White mages are convienient, but I beat FF1 without one, I beat FF5 without one...plus blowing shit up (Meteor, Ultima) is a huge bonus for me.
  12. Gyromite: Black Mage can Duelcast Ultima while White Mage tries to cast Cure on itself. Basiclly, without help, White Mages are useless. (well, more useless in some cases...)
  13. Vito:Black Mages.
  14. Aleria
  15. Adam Mcduck: I prefer destruction to resurrection.
  16. Chocobo Knight: I like them both, so the decision is made on some of the cool Black Mages there are!
  17. BlueHighwind I've changed my mind on this one - again. Some people are insulting Vivi on the White Mage side. Clearly, I cannot stand on the same side of the page as those types.
  18. i'll vote for the black mages, since my fave characters are vivi, lulu and edea. black mage can just cast death for an easy win. Fonzyboi
  19. PeanutLord 18:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Vivi and Montblanc >>> all.
  20. Black Mage, hands down. Sometimes the best defense is a powerful offense. --Tex HOWDY!!! 18:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  21. RogueTomato I gotta vote for the black mage on this one. Some of their spells are deadly.
  22. Sanctiel NUKE!
  23. User:UndyingvsSephiroth looks better, underrated, and underused thanks to the creator's overly high magic defense statistic. So my vote goes to Black Mage
  24. Krystal: Time to teach you a thing or two about Black Magic!
  25. arcanedude34: Black Mages are infinitely cooler then White Mages. Google search "cowboy Black Mage", click on the first image and you'll see what I mean. ; )
  26. Super Sephiroth: Rain down some Meteor, blow everything apart with Flare, use the four elements, and FFT's Arithmeticks just make the Black mage to awesome. Loook:Vivi, Palom, Lulu...
  27. Vanishing Star This is for you, Rydia! :D .
  28. Gwythinn BM by a mile. Black spells do all the damage and IIRC BM's weapons did more hand-to-hand damage as well (in FF1). All BM has to do is get WM on the defensive once and he owns the rest of the battle. When WM runs out of MP, it's curtains for her, whether by spell or by blade.
  29. Vitor - Oh, I completely understand the White Mage's usefulness. My current decision, however, is based on style.
  30. BlueLionheart - Quake, Meteor, Flare and Ultima.
  31. BornfromDarkness 20:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC): Nuke! >D
  32. Rydiaofmist I don't really think one is better than the other. I just find black mages more fun to use.
  33. We've already had this --Maverick King 00:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
  34. BritBoy: Black Mages are cooler
  35. Draga: Gotta love the hat. A cool hat is power. Black Mages have cool hats. Therefore they have power.
  36. Golden Monkey: There is no theory of evolution, just an list of animals Black Mages allow to live. Plus, Vivi-AKA Awesome Incarnate-was an Black Mage.
  37. Twilight_rain:Well, I've got a thing for ice, so I must say Blizzaga owns Holy and healing magic. Besides, a strong Black Mage can wipe out the enemy party before they get a chance to attack you.
  38. OwlEye: It's Stabbity Time OwlEye 20:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
  39. Pylraster: It's like a guy with a rocket launcher vs. a doctor that can heal extremely fast. Black Magic can solve any problem. Giant door in the way? Blow that shit up with Flare. Giant army of soldiers stronger than you? Blow that shit away with Scathe. Giant monster threatening to end the world? Blow that shit to pieces with Meteor. Mysterious arcane villian threatening to end your life? Blow that shit to oblivion with Ultima. An annoying monster in the way of your mission? Burn, Freeze, Shock, Drown, Destroy, Suffocate, Crush, Sicken or Maim that shit with Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water/Earth/ Wind/Gravity/Poison/Dark magic. And don't forget Osmose! The Black Mage can render a White Mage useless with a couple of Osmose spells.
  40. 3155: Hmmm... Giant Hammer o' Doom, or Hadoken??? HADOKEN!!!
  41. Does everyone forget that dispel is a black magic spell? The black mage can simply dispel the reflect while using doublecast then cast its most powerful spell and death. Phade Paradox 12:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
  42. Skoot85:I think we are all forgetting this is a massively awesome popularity contest and with that being said black mages are cool.
  43. This is reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllyyyyy close right now, but if black mages win by even one point, it counts to me. ChocoboRider
  44. Jammi568: Don't you ever wonder what's under that hat?
  45. One word can solve this debate. HADOKAN! The Black Mage
  46. Terra_Homing Who needs healing when you can just use ultima and destroy enemies?!
  47. I realy like black mages a lot so this is easy decision ArableLadle

Anonymous Votes

  1. Could just be me, but I feel white mages are killed way to easily. The only thing that can save them is learning black magic or getting a summon! [Seymour would like to say that most Summoners were White Mages..]
  2. This decision is too easy for me. I think that black mage is the best class ever! Black mages for the victory!
  3. Black mages win because they can get away with the excuse that "that orphanage attacked me!" and mean it in their point of view.
  4. Black mages and white mages were equal once before... I would have gone to white mages for protect, haste, slow, curaja and all that cool white magic... except now that green and time mages exist, the white mage impact is greatly severed. Other mages like arcane and blue only add to offense, they do not take much away from what was rightfully black magic (other than death and drain... not much of a loss since flare is there + scathe etc)
  5. Pyntie-hets are amazing!
  6. Why heal something when you can burn its face off? RedMage
  7. If black magic good enough for Bahamut (Mega-Flare) its good enough for me.
  8. in response to white mage vote #10, we'll just use flare before you get a change to silence us. even if you use a phoenix down, you'll just be killed again.
  9. I respect white mages and this was definitely a hard decision for me to make, but I prefer destruction to peace, so I'll have to go with the black mage.
  10. some white mage guys mention silence and berserk but those are green magics not white, and i hardly ever use a white mage and have never actualy needed one
  11. Black is my favorrite color. And Black mages are awesome~!
  12. Ultima is awesome. And the Black Mages look cuter then their counterparts.
  13. Of course Black Mages! Ultima, Flare...Thunder, Fire, Blizzard...they have a lot of spells for your killing needs.
  14. I'd say it's pretty obvious, all white mages can do is protect themselves and cast one or two offensive spells in a feeble attempt to not die.
  15. Dang this is a hard choice. On one hand the White Mages have healing abilities while Black Mages have attacks... But me being the violent person I am is going to have to go with the Black Mages.
  16. Black mages have all these offensive techniques and the only offensive technique a white mage has now is Holy.

Votes for White Mage

  1. Lockhart - First in for the White Mage! Woo! I'm always a fan of some good healing.
  2. Drake Clawfang Ah, my darling Rydia is a black mage, but I must side my vote with the lovely Aeris on this fight. Simply put, there's plenty of ways, including magic, to inflict pain and suffering on enemies - but there are not so many ways to keep your party alive, and while the Black Mage contends with Blue Magic, Summon Magic, and all the offensive attackers for the role of damage dealer, no one is a damage healer like the White Mage.
  3. Henryacores:Mandatory if you play FF. Cure is necessary to finish II. No Curaja, and Cloud of Darkness will kill you. Rosa can doo wonders with both arrow and tongue. Holy is useful in V. Life 3! Again, Holy saves the day! Curaga is good for HP.Junctioning in the beginning of the game...Two White Mages: Twice the fun! And who could forget our "dear" High Summoner? White Mages own!
  4. Yumino~: White mages are best~!
  5. Real Genius. If you're not going to heal, you will lose, so why are you playing in the first place? And you can't just NUKE (Flare) every enemy before they take a turn. The only final boss you can do that with is Yu Yevon, and no-one cares about Yu Yevon. And you can't do that with Omega Weapon either unless you're in FFX. And Holy is as good as Flare anyway.
  6. dudutsai: Black mage can't heal himself while White mage can't kill.... OH WAIT YES SHE CAN!! Plus holy is on par with flare, so in terms of usefulness I'd always go WM
  7. Maj.H: Despite the fact I hate mages, I have to say white mages saved my life loads of times, while black mages just wastes my ether while I can deal more damage as a monk...
  8. P.M.: I don not need to explain in detail why the Whitew Mage is my perferable choice. Sure the Black Mage has heavy supporters, but as everyone here has said and will say, Black Mages can not win battles alone, whereas the White Mage can, even though not as thourough. I must say I will support the White Mage without question, as I am a White Mage myself.
  9. Tell me what job class I am ^_-. You can live without Black Mages. No White Mages and you're dead meat. -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 02:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  10. Seymour2012: White Mages can reflect Black Magic; we shouldn't forget to point out...
  11. Master Conjurer: I'm personally a fan of summoners, but when it comes down to just white vs. black, I side with Yuna.
  12. RowdyCMoore Black mages blow things up. White mages are caring healers. Black mages have the Orko lookalike and a goth chick. White Mages have Rosa, Aeris and Yuna
  13. I have to go with White Mage here. Not only do they have among the best healing and support, they have Holy. With one of the best offensive spells out there, how can you go wrong? Deoxyribose
  14. Ameria Not going to far without a Healer. <3 the White Mages.
  15. Faethinverba volant : Because Ultima, Meteor, Flare and whatever are put down with a single Curaja. Also, Minwu ftw! Minwu is more badass than any Black Mage.
  16. I like Black Magic as much as the next guy but White magic has holy and holy is great. Suck ass Flare. Ultima The High Seraph
  17. Firionklauser Can't live without 'em
  18. Acropolis Vivi's team doesn't deserve another win...
  19. The A-Man Both are good -- but the amount of times i have saved my ass with Curaja, Esuna, Full-Life, Holy, and the rest are uncountable -- even though black mages look better, i'd rather be a white mage any day.
  20. ChiefKakashi: White mages are always useful. Black mages...not as often.
  21. Tactical Troubadour I'll take one Curaga over any overpowered Meteor/Flare/Ultima any day!
  22. SilverMage Black mages are cool and everything, but white mages are just more important. I don't care how powerful you are, you can't use those spells if you're dead.
  23. XiaTheFatalWhispher 01:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC) I love white mages! Black magic gets less useful later on anyways.
  24. Tragedian I'd love to be able to heal wounds, smash someone's face in with a hammer, and then blast them away with Holy.
  25. User:Zephyrus11 A White mage can undo a whole lot more than a single black mage can do. Plus Holy > Flare.
  26. Sora G. Strife 08:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC) Help, don't harm. -personal philosophy
  27. Otens: I am a White mage or priest, so yeah naturally I'll vote for them. Also holy.
  28. UM: Black Magic is just a waste of time (FFT) or MP (the rest of the series).
  29. Blykus: While a Black Mage is always a valuable asset, there are numerous other jobs that offer heavy damage. White Mage keeps my party alive against the damage they take, which is more important to me.
  30. Bartz235: White Mages have Rosa, Porom, Aeris, Garnet, Yuna.
  31. AvaGirl10Roses: White mages are more crucial to a party than a black mage...
  32. Pablo618: because the votes on the BM side are baseless, a WM and a BM are useless without the other one
  33. HighSummoner: I find it incredibly annoying to heal with potions, so a white mage is a must in my party. For this, I'm voting this side.
  34. The King of the Loveless: I have always loved white mages thewy are way more useful than Black mages.
  35. Alan120691:If it wasn't for my white mage (well, devout really), I never would of made it through III's final level.
  36. Sinh
  37. Vermandois: I can't tell you how many time my WM has saved my ass. Besides, black mages waste all their mp with just 3-4 Ultima/Flare, and you could cast Curaja 12-15 times with the same mp. White Mages for the win.
  38. Fuzzy: A well-placed Reflect spell would end this battle.
  39. Copus: Holy ftw, white is always more useful on the whole.
  40. Dancing Daggers: Okay, I can't think of any specific time when I actually needed a black mage, so I'm going to say that White Mages are far more useful, especially in FFTA where they just rule. I can also make some obscure connection to the Holy Paladins, and how they are all really cool with that honour/chivalry/protecting people and shit. Holy > everything else.
  41. Cloudofdarkness ^_^: You NEED a white mage in a game, where as the Black mage isn't needed (but certainly appreciated). Just try beating a game with out white magic, it's impossible.
  42. Vestas - I gotta give the love to the White Mages. They keep us running and fighting link no one else can. Without one, the party is not going to make it far. Plus, Bonus for access to spells like Dia and Holy!
  43. <singing> Because Yuan Told me to </singing> Hexed
  44. Anastasia12I'm always a healing fan! white magic FTW this also the first I vote :)Anastasia12
  45. Summonerluna: White mages of course! They can heal, shell, esuna, reflect, and in Yuna's case completely nullify elemental magic, and STILL kick butt with Holy...Plus if white mage goes down then everyone is in trouble, but if black mage goes down...well we all know who is going to bring him back! <3
  46. Otherarrow: It is better to heal than to hurt...
  47. Maverick Riot: I really love the outfits of both, but technically, the Devout class, and anything with cat ears, tends to be related to the White Magic class. And that sways it for me. Plus, white magic is usually consistently more useful in battle. You can live without Black Magic much easier than without White Magic. Plus White dabbles in offensive spells too; Black Magic is limited more to Drain and Osmose. If they perhaps designed a Black Mage design with some cat ears I would have taken the other side...? :P

Anonymous Votes

  1. I think White Mages are better. True, Black Mages have the most damaging spells like Meteor, Flare, or Ultima, and can use Drain and Osmose to sustain themselves. But the White Mages can help everyone with Curaga, Shell, Protect, and Reflect; and have a few spells to attack, like Holy, not to mention that their healing spells can hurt the undead. And Life3/Rearise/Auto-life is a blessing considering what it does. While I consider both of them usefull, I think the White Mages are more important to have than Black Mages.
  2. initially white mages had considerably high hp only second to the warrior in the first game and ultima was white magic, plus they have holy under in their belt too! much more helpful and the better of the mages. and they have the hammer which is brilliant!
  3. White Mages are so under-valued. Sure, they're no help defeating a major boss, but they keep you alive so that you can finish it off. I've been spared the words "Game Over" many-a-time thanks to this job class.
  4. their outfit is damn iconic! i want a white hood with red trims please! plus their magic saves the day everyday :)
  5. what can a white mage not do? sure they may not be as offensive but they still have Holy which is awesome and saves the day in FF7 (although it sucks you cant actually use it in gameplay :/) Alas, they've got style and some white mages enjoy summoning capabilities; cant argue with that
  6. Oh wow! What can you not love about the white mage, dont go on to me about their style when hello! White robe with red trim? And have you seen some of the white mages outfits, Aeris and little pink dress... Dagger and her orange jumpsuit and Yuna and that ... very nice dress of hers. Lulu may pwn them all with the death glare but purple lipstick is always a no-no
  7. come on this is a no brainer! you're going to be using healing magic so much more than any black magic it usually takes forever to get any that are actually worth using whereas you can reflect the black magic and enjoy the bathing glow of white magic saving your ass.
  8. White Mages. At first, I didn't realize it, but White Mages can block almost all of a Black Mages spells with Reflect. If a White Mage can get a Reflect off before a Black Mage can cast Flare, the Black Mage is doomed. Besides that, they are capable of both healing and attacking(with Holy). Although I suppose that if Drain doesn't reflect, a Black Mage could win, Drain reflected in the last game I checked.
  9. Well, if the White Mage casts Bersek on the Black Mage, the Black Mage looses, it can only physically attack, while the White Mage can still use magic. That eliminates even the Osmose threat.
  10. Ten words: "White Mages can Silence the Black Mages making spellcasting impossible!" Lets see how the Black Mage fans figure this one out (Even by Echo Screens they are just going to be Silenced again).
  11. White Mages are more useful.
  12. dispel is white magic so nyah!!! ultima was originally a white magic spell (remember ff2 minwu!) so double nyah!
  13. Healing ftw!
  14. Cant beat something that uses a hammer for killing
  15. Healing, Auto-life, Curaga, Shell, Protect, Reflect, and especially Holy! Long live white mages! P.S. Let's use silence! And summons! *summons the Magus Sisters* =)
  16. For Aeris ;-(
  17. White Mages FTW. Healing is pwnsome, plus all those status ailments they can cast combined with healing makes you invicible! Besides, they're SO CUTE! Aerith+magic stick=your fuking death.
  18. porom:-( why ffiv ds no party switching

Peanut Gallery

I am actually having real trouble choosing who to vote for. I love them both. Any suggestions? Convince me. --BlueHighwind 23:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

If we're using "ebony and ivory", why are we using blue and red for the vote sections? Drake Clawfang
Because a completely grey fight box depresses me. Color is nice. Also, if you look closely, you'll notice that Black Mages wear blue robes and White Mages have red trim. --BlueHighwind 23:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Then try this out. Drake Clawfang
Too much color. Look man, I spent almost a half hour hunting through a gigantic HTML color chart to find exactly the right hues and shades of grey to use. I like it the way it is. --BlueHighwind 23:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Grey? What grey, I see no grey in your designs. Drake Clawfang
Look, I made the design, I want it to stay the way it is. Black, white. I'm trying to fix it, but I get a EDIT CONFLICT every time. --BlueHighwind 23:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ironic! Our dear runaway holds the first call! How strange! =D - Henryacores 23:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well to be honest, with black and white for the image boxes, and blue and pink for the vote columns, the design looks stupid. Drake Clawfang
It looked a lot better until two lines were added to the intro, but I figured I should allow some compromise. I'm diet TacticAngel, just as bad, but in a nice light can. --BlueHighwind 23:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh you're right, without those two lines the entire color scheme looks gorgeous! @_@ Drake Clawfang

Woo, my fight was chosen. I didn't even notice. When was this made anyway? Oh...today...ok then. --Gamer2127 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Seymour2012Someone dye the Black Mage's hands black, that's bothering me.

When I think of white mages, I think of women who care and heal others. Can you say "Nurse Fantasy?" RowdyCMoore

Oddly, I almost always make my White Mages men whenever there is a Job System. Arc was a White Mage, Galuf was a White Mage, I even twisted Firion around to be proficient in "Cure" Magic. And my Black Mages are almost entirely women: Refia, Lenna, Rydia, Maria, Leila, Katrina (Generic from FFT), and Lulu. Vivi and Palom is the only exception. --BlueHighwind 12:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
It's the exact same for me, up to making Firion have high levels of Cure. And, also, as a fan of Santana, I've this personal rule that, whenever I can help it, my Black Mages are always women too. Faethinverba volant

Master Conjurer: Can I vote red?

Rocking Chair: Red Mages are useless you just get a White and Black Mage. Im struggling to pick here.

Deadlyslashsword: Red Mages are not useless; they've helped me out loads of times when and because I didn't feel like having or couldn't fit both a Black Mage and a White Mage in my party.
Master Conjurer: With that I agree. My FFI party was four Red Mages.


Rocking Chair: Red mages are versatile and useful at the beginning of the game but they are uselss when you have a Black and White Mage in your party. There is no room for them in your team. The only way i can see them possibly being used is if you get rid of either your thief or your monk but they are better than a Red Mage

Deadlyslashsword: In FF1, I had a thief and and a monk and a red mage (the 4th being a knight) and I was just fine. Actually, without my red mage, I would not have been able to beat Chaos.
Alan120691: The only really useful red mage I can think of in the series is in tactics advance when you have to use that job to learn dualcast. I will say though, I like the red mage art design better than the others.
Deoxyribose: They teach that ability in FFV as well, though it costs OVER 9000--er, 999 AP. Of course, during that time, you actually have to use a Red Mage, and they have mediocre stats. Anyway, close fight.
Deadlyslashsword: Can't we just call it dead heat?
As of 23:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC), they are dead even, 46 to 46. 8bit
As of 17:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC), they are still dead even, at 47.5 to 47.5. --ChiefKakashi 17:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous - This brings back great memories of 8-bit theatre... White Mage pwned BM.

BornfromDarkness 20:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC): This might just be my browser, but the BM section is twice the size it's supposed to be, and it squishes WM's section. :/

No, blame Pyralaster. Also, a few people put User votes in the anonymous section. That means I have to check if somebody is being stupid (in which case their vote gets deleted), or being very stupid by cheating. --BlueHighwind 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Dancing Daggers: erm, how many FF games has Black Mage annonymous no.10 actually played?

Master Conjurer: It sounds like they've only played FFXII. As far as I'm concerned, most things split to either black or white. It's been that way for a long time. I have never heard of anybody claiming to be a green mage.

It's a close race so far, but can someone pull it out in the final leg? --Gamer2127 01:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

As of 7:35 US Central, it appears that this one is looking like a draw by way of the "10% rule," folks. I think it's only fitting but it's your call, TA. --Tex HOWDY!!! 00:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Week 83: Adelbert Steiner v. Basch fon Ronsenburg

AmanoSteiner
Winner!!
Basch!

54½ to 40½
Two of Final Fantasy's most recent loyal traitor-knights face off against one another; will the idealistic knight in shining armor emerge victorious or shall a sullied symbol of the past fight another day?

Votes for Steiner

  1. BlueHighwind: Come on! Who couldn't love old Rusty?
  2. Gamer2127: I think Steiner might lose, but I like him sooo much more.
  3. Lockhart Woo! I finally got one of my suggestions into the DNC! Go Rusty!
  4. Do you start out each day with Gyshal Pickles? 8bit 23:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. Sanctiel: Of course im gonna vote against Basch.
  6. Vanishing Star I hate Basch! And why the hell does he keep getting DNC entries. Give it a break.
  7. Nothing like Rusty. All around a better character and looks cooler. Basch is cool in his own right, but as a XII character that's not saying much. Steiner can't lose it's not possible...ok, it is, but why? AnonyMan
  8. User: KoniraThax If Steiner loses, will know that Old School is losing it's love. He's in one of the best games, he's one of the best characters in Nine and if it weren't for him, I wouldn't have beaten it. Though Basch helps keep the 'Older Gentleman' status in Final Fantasy, he doesn't hold a candle to the past 'Older Gentlemen' of Final Fantasy - Cid Highwind, Auron, Steiner, FuSoYa, Josef, Etc. The old school knight get's all of the love from this fan hands freak'n down.
  9. Super Sephiroth: Its his badass original drawing, if it wasn't id vote for Basch.
  10. Goldberry2000: SIR RUSTALOT!!!
  11. Steiner was a funny character (even though it got a little boring after a while...) and a pretty powerful one. But what definitelly makes him win this battle is the fact that Beatrix had feelings for him! If she liked him, who am I to disagree? - Rihya
  12. Steiner has a great amusing charm. Basch is a great character, but not nearly as memorable as Steiner. Deoxyribose
  13. XadrenThe best knight in FF's history.
  14. Dark Raven : More useful in battle.
  15. Faethinverba volant :"Bah! It's only a flesh wound!"
  16. HenryA: No one surpasses Sir Rusty!!!
  17. Conjurer: Steiner is great comic relief. When tragedy strikes, there always needs to be somebody running in circles and flailing his arms about something unrelated. Basch is a great character, but while Steiner is the best at his thing, Basch's strong and silent type gig is already bested by Auron and Vincent.
  18. RogueTomato I like Basch, but I have to vote for ol' Rusty on this one. Basch is, in some ways, too cliche (too "knight-like"), while Steiner brings some good humor with him.
  19. User:Seymour2012 Final Fantasy IX over XII, Rusty was epic. Basch didn't have such a great role in the game.
  20. 00:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC) Again, moe.
  21. RowdyCMoore I'll take pity on him for his girlfriend losing to Celes.
  22. Zack fair 007 01:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  23. Eternal Twilight I love Steiner, he gets my vote cause he shows THE VERY BEST FF CHARACTER the most respect, check the link if your slow and dont know who i mean already, and even teams up with him which automatically means he would win a fight
  24. Rainacide - Rusty wins this one. He's in Final Fantasy IX an underrated game that just pwns. He's by far the strongest character in the game in terms of brute strength, he has the strongest weapon in the game even tho Basch can weird the Zodiac Spear. But getting the strongest weapon in FFIX poses more of a challenge then not picking up 4 pieces of treasure. He badmouths to Zidane, respects Vivi, a damn sex servant to Garnet & the mate of that good old Beatrix. What does Basch have? Larsa's dumb servant?
  25. Fyrmer Sure, Basch was one of the few FFXII characters I actually liked, but Steiner's just friggin' awesome. How could I not vote for him?
  26. User:Enuo - Steiner, naturally. One of the best characters in the entire series.
  27. ChocoboRider - Like 'em both, but Steiner is currently losing.
  28. Yumino~
  29. Jecht37 - Basch is nothing more than a badly dressed, uhh, badly dressed. Stiener was so much cooler.
  30. ArableLadle I like Basch a lot but Steiner is still better
  31. Mikadoxeno: I hated Rusty as a battle character, but you gotta love the shoes. Metal armor with a pair of sneakers.
  32. Terra_Homing: Go on Rusty!
  33. Drake:Everytime I play IX I name Steiner Drake. He's my third favorite in the game, just behind Vivi and Garnet, and right ahead of Blank.
  34. Ajox: Any character from IX beats any character from XII in every aspect...
  35. Arcanedude34: Yeah... just... Steainer. Much more unique personality.
  36. General Leo: Gonna go with Steiner, mostly because he's strong and a cool character, funny but at the same time, there is a deep moral conflict in him.

Steiner: funny, respectful to some, stupid,( in a good way) and shiny. Kick basches ass rusty.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Steiner is funnier. Oneo of the strongest characters in my party.
  2. Steiner weilds awesome swords like excalibur and ragnorak and kicks ass! plus i love the sound he makes when he jumps around like a loon :P Basch? *snore*
  3. Steiner just seems to have more personality. Sure, Basch seems deeper and obviously has an interesting past, but Steiner offers more when it comes to during the game development which is where it counts. Plus, Steiner gets a bonus point for having the most challenging side-quest; getting Excalibur II (get to Excalibur II in 12 hours, with is very hard if you plan to complete the game with everything done).
  4. Basch was alright, but Steiner is just so much cooler. He isn't a generic "no abilities besides limit breaks/quickenings/whatever that game calls them" character to be customized however the players want, his personality isn't boring as hell, and he doesn't have that retarded hair. Basch looked awesome in RW, I must admit, but come on. He's the goddamned Batm-- Rusty.
  5. he´s much cooler and he has an attack that can do 9999 like hallo! "You want me to kill you, okey 9999!" dead..... okey all i want to say is he´s a very awsome character xD
  6. Steiner is great! Anyone who can combo with Vivi gets my vote.
  7. He may be a bit of a klutz, but Steiner is pretty cool afterall.
  8. the votes for steiner are more substantial than the votes for basch, people have actual reasons for it whereas people are just saying they like basch blah!!!!! proof steiner is better :)
  9. Rusty's a lot more likeable than Basch. He's funny, but still has enough depth for some great character development.

Votes for Basch

  1. Go to my Userpage and check the top 10... And Flame Purge.... "Must I spend my life in servitude?" Steiner asks questions, Basch just get the job done without yelling at everyone. And Basch fon Ronsenburg's easier to spell than Adelbrthgfd SchtreinnerchMaj.H
  2. I've played XII for about ten minutes, but Basch in the opening scene was cool. Okay, sure it was his brother (I peeked ahead, sue me), but still. Steiner was just a loud-mouthed goon. Drake Clawfang
  3. I've actually played Final Fantasy XII, and Basch is way cool. BlueLionheart
  4. Badass main character or any sort of side character? Hmm...--Otherarrow 22:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. Pablo618: The former hero of FFXII
  6. Krystal: Basch has more backstory than Steiner.
  7. OwlEye: Salamander
  8. Basch, without a doubt. --Tex HOWDY!!! 23:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. Booo Steiner, he did get better later in the game though, but not better than Basch.--Oranejo 01:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. dudutsai: I think Basch was cooler as a character... didn't really use either of them in my party though. Also....BASCH LIVES!!!!!!!
  11. User:Skoot85:just cuz.
  12. Aleria: Aah, this one was soo hard... but I loved his quickenings and his personality, so gotta go with Basch.
  13. Adam Mcduck: While I do love Rusty, Basch is by far the cooler knight.
  14. Ameria: This isn't so much as a vote for Basch as a vote against Steiner. He just kept jumping up and down and yelling alot, not very knightly at all.
  15. JudgeZarbi 09:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  16. fallenangelofyaoi : Bewbz.
  17. Hexed: I would love to see him do a Leonidas moment, but the inner fanboy in me will never be sated.
  18. Another Duh. Let's see how many "Duh" votes in a row I can get here! (Currently on 2)--SCM
  19. This is definaitly an easy battle for the Ronsenbrg. Big duh. Final Fanaty IX was crap. Ultima The High Seraph
  20. BritBoy: He had awesome voice acting
  21. Sinh
  22. ChiefKakashi: Basch is cooler.
  23. BornfromDarkness 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  24. Cactuar83:Basch rox.
  25. Pylraster: Oh Basch Fon Ronsenburg. He Knows something of Cages. And Cages are made of metal. And have bars.
  26. Rydiaofmist: Both characters are just ok to me, but Steiner could be a little annoying at times.
  27. Deadlyslashsword: Basch doesn't wear eyeliner.
  28. Sorry Highwind. -- N/A 02:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  29. Not that IX was a bad game but seriously... IM CAPTIAN BASCH!!!! Dont listen to Ondore's lies! - Saraija Merinas
  30. Basch wins at sexiness. --Zephyrus11 03:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  31. DVRDNR: DUH!
  32. Maverick Riot: I like both games but... it's Basch. No two ways about it really.
  33. Dancing Daggers: I love FF IX, in fact i'm currently playing through it again; i've just recruited Amarant. But I really cannot be bothered to like Steiner, and Basch is just so much cooler and darker.
  34. Basch can kill enemies with exploding swords. Besides, FF IX sucked. Real Genius
  35. Do I need a reason to vote, no, I don't. Cloudofdarkness ^_^
  36. I just think Basch is cooler for no apparent reason. --Mjka 21:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
  37. Mateus: Basch is too sexy to be vote.
  38. DarthBangaa: Basch.
  39. User:The King of the Loveless: Because he's awesome.
  40. ChaosEsperVII: Basch knows what it takes to be cool. Steiner does not. And Basch's quickenings look gangster.
  41. Obvious choice. Steve C // talk // email // 03:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  42. Barat Falcorm: Flame Purge, bye bye Steiner
  43. basch is kick ass. thats it
  44. Blykus 11:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  45. Vestras - the guys a walking ball of awesome, vs a knight wearing to much eyeliner and missing his shins. dark Knight Balthir wins by a few dozen kilometers.
  46. Fuzzy McTeddyfluff:How could I not vote for a graduate of the Shakespearean School of Kicking-Your-Ass Eloquence?
  47. Theentertainer: Well since he got screwed in not being allowed to be the main character in FFXII. That being said if we're going head to head with knights, I want the guy that keeps his cool and wields the Zodiac spear versus biggest spaz in FF History.
  48. UsmcRave99: Compared to Steiner Basch wears next to no armor and still kicks more ass.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Yay !
  2. Never played IX (though I really want to...) So I'm going to have to go with Basch on this one.
  3. Steiner, like most other characters from IX, gets on my nerves way too much. Basch has the real soul and demeanor of an honorable warrior.
  4. Although I loved IX, I loved XII more...And Basch is just awesome.
  5. BASCH LIVES!
  6. I freaking hate FFIX. I played it, never liked it, and at times I even deny its existence. I've played FFXII and that was a good game. I expecially liked the focus on war and the government in the plot.
  7. Basch is stronger he survived three years of starvation and still was able to destroy Vayne, plus basch has that cool scar.
  8. looks cooler
  9. Yay, potholder.
  10. i like steiner better but basch would win
  11. --Should have put Steiner in the damned oubliette :p Basch was waay cooler and officialy was meant to be the main hero of ff xii----
  12. 'Cause he's from the game I actually played. The slightest bit. hehe Damn those guards in the castle. I hated that king anyways. One that dies early is a bad one. Props to his murdurer!!!
  13. BASCH IS HOT!!!! That says all. And he isn't so over-dramatic like the Tinman! XD

Peanut Gallery

I could not hate Rusty, but I don't love him. Anyone who spends two disks yelling at Zidane and cheering on Queen Thunder Thighs is gonna get no love from me. Drake Clawfang

Uhh, no Drake, at the opening battle scene, It was Basch who's kicking asses. His bro captures him in the throne room, waaay later.
Even better. Hey, I just started the game, gimme a break. >< Drake Clawfang

Great. Now Illua lost. I must be bad luck or something. BlueLionheart

If thats true, and you make Basch lose, I'm not going to be very happy. . . you know what that means. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

In Basch's defense maybe he wouldn't be so bland if he were the Main character(like he was susposed to be) of FFXII. Still wouldn't be as cool as Steiner though. Who has Basch's knightly sense of duty but WAY more personality. --Anony

Hey Maj; "Basch fon Ronsenburg" is easier to spell than "Albert Steiner" is, without a doubt, THE DUMBEST thing I have ever heard someone say on this wiki that was not Eileen. How many people misspell "Albert"? Steiner, the worst people might do is get the i and the e round the wrong way. "Basch"; "Bask", "Bashk", don't even get me started. "Von", "Fon", "Ron". "Ronsenburg", "Rosenburg", "Rosnenbarg"... these are just a few of the misspellings I've seen for this ridiculous character's ridiculous name. --Gold 09:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I guess Basch is a little better than Vaan. --BlueHighwind 12:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
At least the only mistake you could make with that would be "Van" :P--Gold 13:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I was totally thinking the same thing about Maj's comment. Spelling Adelbert Steainer IS WAY easier than Basch whatever-his-name.
If that is the case then why did you just misspell his name. :P--Oranejo 16:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Why has almost everyone misspelled either Adelbert or Steiner in the process of saying it's easier to spell? And by the way, Goldberry, ALBERT IS NOT ADELBERT.
The reason I miss-spelt it was probably due to the fact that my dog was randomly barking at me. Are you and my dog in some conspiracy against me? O.o Only kidding, of course. I actually realized I miss-spelt it just a second before before pressing "Save Page." Just my luck. :P
One must wonder why the spelling of a character's name matters at all. -Master Conjurer 19:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, it doesn't matter - hence, we've pointed that out to Maj, as Gold said, that it's "THE DUMBEST thing", ESPECIALLY in this case as Maj was completely wrong about which was easier to spell.
Well, gotta agree with Maj.H. Saying Basch is easy t(Bash), but try to spell Adelbert, even the guy thet tries to spell it ends up with Albert. And besides, who gives a floating crap about names? Leon5550
I'm not suprised about who Leon has decided to side with, since he is Maj.H. I usually side with myself in arguments too. --BlueHighwind 00:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
And u know the most interesting bit is? People mispelled it exactly where I told them where. Major H or Leon
...why are we making such a fuss about another one of Leon's golden comments? As if we weren't used to them by now, seriously. Faethinverba volant

Lolz at Pylraster's coment!

Let me remind you folks its a Steiner vs Basch, not Vivi vs Basch.Maj.H

Things like that aren't that uncommon. It's no worse than voting for/against a character just because of the game they're in or some other trivial reasons of the like. And it's not like most of Steiner's vote so far are like that. Anony

Ahahawww man, the guy who changed Steiner's pic really hates him! Now hardly anyone wants to vote for Steiner... YAY!! Maj.H

It's funny too, Steiner still looks cooler than Basch does. Then again I (actually)like the Amano stuff and the regular Artwork for FFIX about the same. AnonyMan

Steiner always looks like he swallowed 500 warheads. ChaosEsperVII

Yeah, but Basch looks silly with his bare chest deal. It also seems impractical in a fight. Deoxyribose
Yeah right! He's just showing of the sexy. ChaosEsperVII
Steiner doesn't even need to show it off for people to know he's sexy. Deoxyribose
Thats because he isnt sexy, make Basch wear any clothes and he's still badass Maj.H

yes ChaosEsper, cause we all know the XII crew wouldnt have made it halfway through the game if they werent all halfnaked, cause they could wear heavy armor but their defense goes up 87 points when they wear nothing Eternal Twilight

Hey but isn't that true for any Final Fantasy? Bad guys and Chaos Espers recognize and acknowledge the sexy, no matter who it is as long as they flaunt it. ChaosEsperVII

They're both pretty ugly. But the difference is Steiner looks cool(in addition to being a better character), decent looking rusty armor>looking like you dressed in the dark with your hands tied. Anony

Hey look, TacticAngel is behind again on making a new fight. A Chronic issue here at the Dragon's Neck Colosseum. =( --BlueHighwind 12:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

People voting for empty characters on the basis that they're "hot" really make me laugh.


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