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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section will be deleted. Users who do not log in when they vote will be considered anonymous IPs, and their votes also will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 82: Illua v. Edea

FFTA2-Irua
Winner!!
undecided
Edea
Its hard to imagine there isn't a favorite in this bout, but, can a relatively unknown from one of the lowest selling modern Final Fantasies dethrone the seductively evil face of black magic?

Votes for Illua

  1. N/A 03:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  2. Ultimateria: No contest.
  3. Facky I Agree With Ultimateria
  4. Maj.H 1)She wears a katana. 2) "Nightshade" sound good 3)At least she don't have a shower curtain straped in her back. 4) She doesnt wear a garbage bag as a robe.
  5. Vitor - Hard to decide even after reading both wiki articles... I guess my vote goes to Illua, if only for style.
  6. Hard desiscion seeing as I barely know either of them. Luckly, I remembered that magic and weapons beats plain old magic.--Otherarrow 10:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  7. TSD11:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  8. SeKaLoYa: I never got into Tactics so I don't know much, but she does look a lot better in terms of design.
  9. "She doesn't wear a garbage bag as a robe..."... now that I think of it.... anyway, Illua summoned a demon through her ancient book and died in the process. Edea went back to being a principal's wife. Play TA2 once, I bet you'll like it more than VIII. 8bit 15:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. Aleria: I feel bad for her 'cause she's going to get smoked, and she's cool looking.

Anonymous Votes

  1. She looks prettier
  2. I like Illua. She is so crazy and cool. Ultima The high Seraph
  3. I must oppose BH the Edea Fanboy. Plus Illua has a katana, and that raises her coolness by at least 3 if not 3.5. Oh and Edea comes from that abysmal FF known as 8, so she a loser by assocation
  4. Seeing as I believe that FFVIII virtually had no plot and that I'm basically addicted to A2 at the moment, and I want the Nightshade class, my vote shall go to my obsession. At the moment.

Votes for Edea

  1. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I don't mind starting this slaughter.
  2. Gotta vote for one of the three or four decent characters in VIII. Drake Clawfang
  3. Edea follows the all-too-common rule in FF games that the coolest characters are in the party for the shortest amount of time. Deoxyribose
  4. Edea just pawns that simple. Corrino
  5. Yes finally I vote for my favorite Sorceress *Drool* The King of the Loveless
  6. Even if I didn't know who Edea was like with the opposition, she's still cooler. Hope Edea fries Illua even though she seems to favor Ice. AnonyMan
  7. Duh. --SCM
  8. Edea nearly rules the world, kills the main character in 1 attack (it still counts even though he was brought back), and corrupts the minds of a whole country, in less then a week, not even everyones precious Sephiroth has matched up to that. --Gyromite
  9. Super Sephiroth:Yes, Edea has another chance. Fuck you, Illua
  10. Rihya - Lots of the main reasons why Edea wins have alredy been said, so I'll just add another one: she was responsible for what's probably the best speech ever made on a Final Fantasy game.
  11. Ameria - No Contest.
  12. Chaltier:Cause she's COOL as ICE ;D
  13. BlueHighwind Edea deserves to be in a better game then FFVIII. She is the Queen of Darkness, and was way too cool for that game. Edea was so incredibly awesome, that despite not actually being the main villain of the game, she's on the Box Cover! She's in the opening movie! Where is Ultimecia? Nowhere but in my nightmares!!
  14. CoD ^_^ Are you serious? Everyone that has voted for Illua so far have never played VIII, that pretty much sums this up.
  15. Lockhart Yep.
  16. Faethinverba volant :I like her speech. Some good rhetorics. And I like how she looks during the ending.
  17. ChiefKakashi: Edea vs. who?
  18. 2127: Everybody's doing it!
  19. I don't know who this Illua woman is, so I must go with Sorceress Edea FTW. --Tex HOWDY!!! 21:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Edea will win over anyone in my book!
  2. Edea will so win.
  3. Edea kicks ass. I don't even know who illua is, but edea can kick her ass. Ice palm ftw
  4. Yumiko: Ice Strike!

Peanut Gallery

Surprised BH haven't voted yet, get ready for thelongest lecture of your life when he does. Maj.H

As cool as the SeeD are, I always though that Edea's assassination plan was dumb. Why lower the gate rousing her suspicion and caution? She could have easily been sniped regardless. Granted she blocked the shot but it wouldn't look as stupid it hadn't set her up to do it.AnonyMan

YAY! My fight! Thanks TA :D Hopefully it doesn't turn into a blowout... 8bit 15:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Illua Anon vote # 4 gave me a chuckle with their comment of FFVIII. "Had no plot", wow if you don't pay attention to the story no FF game has a plot then.--AnonyMan

Week 81: Firion v. Bartz

Winner!!
Bartz
FFVABartzmenu

38½ to 30½
FFVABartzmenu
Tonight we bring you the final climatic battle between two main characters of the Final Fantasy series. For years, the Internet has been filled with the fires of fanwankery as forums and flames debate over which is the superior. The fanboys have fought and died couragously for their cause... Wait no, that's Cloud v. Squall. Sorry. Instead we have something completely different: Bartz v. Firion. Remember those old dudes?

Votes for Firion

  1. Because he looks bad-ass in Dissidia. Drake Clawfang
  2. Firion is awesome, and he is even more awesome in Dissidia, and he is the only character that really made any sense in II. Gyromite
  3. Blykus 06:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. Conjurer: FFII is, in my opinion, the second-best game in the series. This makes Firion the second-best game's protagonist.
  5. He made it into dissidia end of. Ultima The High Seraph
  6. Lockhart
  7. Chocobo Knight
  8. Henryacores: Because he doesn't need the Crystal's power to master swords, lances, staves, knifes, axes, bows, white magic or black magic. In six words: Firion is the true Freelancer, period.
  9. Never liked Bartz...Liked Firion, I wonder who I will vote for?--Otherarrow 16:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. Hate Bartz, Firion is awesome - PietroFF
  11. Faethin: The first hero of Final Fantasy that bore a name.
  12. The king of the Loveless: Firion is one of the coolest main characters ever.
  13. Pikmin Master: The player can do so much with Firion. He is more balanced, so to say, than Bartz. Plus, FFII is unique in that the gameplay might just make sense. FFV, like most FF games, have set jobs with set abilities. With Firion and the other FFII guys, You can dual wield right away.
  14. 8bit: Blood Sword, n00bs!
  15. Firionklauser: Some of you might think I'm nuts, but I liked II a bit better than V. I just think Firion is cooler than ol' Bartz.
  16. User:KoniraThax: He's Firion, main man for FF2 (One of the best) and get's to pal around with Guy, Maria & Leon.
  17. Elris4: I always saw Firion as an embodiement of FF. Not sure why, but I do.
  18. [[XiaTheFatalWhispher 20:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)]]: Bartz is such a loser. Firion's hotter than him anyway.
  19. Otens: No hate, just wanted to go along with Firion.
  20. Pylraster: I can't eat Firion because he's on the GBA, so he wins my vote.
  21. Sinh
  22. I Lion Heart I: Bartz sucks in comparison to Firion.
  23. User:Mooglebane:Firion was a totally the best character in FF 2, he was kick but with Excalibur+Sunblade. So much better then Bartz
  24. Yumino
  25. bartz's original name was buttz.sabata13
  26. FFII is the most underrated game in the series. But it does good for bieng the first with character stories. Plus frion is the best Protaginist ever. Nothing phases him.--Muchomas35 15:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  27. He was the first RPG character with a personality.Zack2222
  28. Bartz was a rubbish main character, the worst in my opinion. At least Firion had no personality to make him suck, rather than having one and it being awful. --Adam Mcduck
  29. Goldberry2000: Bartz was a shit main character. Firion wasn't amazing, but still buries the chocobo riding dweeb over there with one hand tied behind his back.

Anonymous Votes

  1. bartz is a tit
  2. Firion was just there first, and looks amazing in Dysidia
  3. Haven't played ffv but props to firion for being the first actual protaganist in the series. good for him :P

Votes for Bartz

  1. Bartz clearly has the advantage. He's got a whole list of classes to work from, I'm thinking MageKnight/Ninja hybrid. That's gotta hurt. Plus, he has more personality and is more memorable a character than poor Firion - Vestras
  2. In terms of strength, Bartz would win against Firion as he can switch to many different character classes and use a variety of abilities.
  3. Firion is almost a non-character, like the Warriors of Light. We know nothing about him, other than the fact that his parents are dead. I'm surprised that this even made the list. Gravity Bomb 05:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. YuanchosaanSalutations! 07:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. --SCM 07:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  6. JudgeZarbi
  7. At least he doesn't wear blue lipstick. Leon5550
  8. Despite FFV's largely uninteresting cast, Bartz is probably my favorite the the main Party(Galuf being the coolest no doubt, however). Firion's got nothing on him, and Bartz has his companion, the very cool Boco. --AnonyMan 12:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. He rides a chocobo. ChocoboRider
  10. BlueHighwind: It's called "Rapid Fire + Doublehand + Holy". Battle is over.
  11. SephirothAnger Firion got a cooler name, but Bartz fought Omega Weapon and won. This pretty much ends the fight.
  12. Draga He is the owner of Boco. Simple as that.
  13. SamJaz He does have a huge selection of Job class abilities to choose from and to combine, making him easily the most versatile named hero of the final fantasy series. Even without those abilities, he still has decent fighting skills and can even take on far more experienced heroes one one one, but he still looks out for his party. Besides, he isn't a social failure like half of the final fantasy heroes.
  14. OwlEye 1. Job System 2. Boco 3. After the senior citizen dies he's the only male main character & 4. We haven't even seen what he'll look like in Dissidia yet. This one is no contest
  15. Rydiaofmist: He had a more interesting personality than Firion.
  16. I vote for Butz/Bartz/the dude from V.--Oranejo 15:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  17. BlueLionheart: Bartz is one of my favorite heroes because he's so dumb. I haven't had the pleasure of playing as Firion yet.
  18. Rainacide: Bartz is a pimp! All he ever want to do was go explore the world riding on his chocobo, Boko. That's G status, game over for Firion.
  19. Black Mage Zemekis: Bartz has a story and doesn't look like a freak.
  20. Pablo618: I don't think Bartz is actually that bad, I liked him
  21. Rihya - I have nothing against Firion, but I think Bartz has a better story (or should I say: at least Bartz has a story). Plus, Final Fantasy V is an awesome game!
  22. 2127
  23. Hexed
  24. VN: he's a comic relief
  25. Shinryu: he may do/say dumb things and has fear of highs, but he's funny and likes (loves?) a badass pirate, plus he can pwn anything with Dual Wield [insert two powerful weapons] + Rapid Fire + Spellblade Flare.
  26. Aleria: He has a pet chocobo.
  27. Deoxyribose: 2Swords + X-Fight = Win.
  28. Etch: never was a big fan of v or bartz for that matter but ive never played 2 so i wouldnt know what firion is like
  29. Tex HOWDY!!! 04:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  30. dudutsai: AHAHAHA they both suck! Butz wins because his name.. hehe buttz
  31. Johnstrelley: Bartz has some of the best lines in Final Fantasy V, the best humour in the entire series, and isn't a pussy like Firion, who moans about being an orphan and blah blah in his orphan fanclub. Bartz would have killed his own father if there was a funny side to it. Also, we know that Bartz gets laid, thanks to the FFV OVA. He joins the Club with Wakka who porked Lulu. THAT'S WHY I VOTE FOR BARTZ. What a fucking ramble...
  32. Deadlyslashsword: Even more impressive than defeating Exdeath, Bartz learned how to play the piano! Now THAT takes some serious skill.
  33. Scottyboy4: 5>2 simple as that.
  34. Rocking Chair Ironic. I was wondering which walkthrough i should do after Final Fantasy I and it is still a toss up between II and V. I like Bartz a little bit more but only cause his sprite and in game image looks cool as.
  35. Aramis: Well, atleast Bartz actually TALKS in the game.
  36. Dancin': First off Bartz is a badass. Second he doesn't wear eye shadow like Firion.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Bartz has 3 ladies in waiting.
  2. He is in FFV, the best FF game ever in terms of content (almost every job class ever created in one game!)
  3. Bartz is the manliest protagonist that the series has ever seen. He gets not one, not two, but THREE hot bitches. Two of them are sisters, and one of them is a loli. And all three of them are princesses. It just doesn't get much more badass than that.
  4. I find I like both characters on the same level, so I'll go with Bartz simply cos I liked FF5 more than FF2.
  5. Bartz only beats out Firion because of the leveling system of FFII. What the hell was that about? Kicking YOUR OWN ASS to get stronger.

Peanut Gallery

UmmI would pick Bartz because he has a somewhat cool backstory ... Why has Seifer v Kadaj been called a draw? The score is just outside of the 10% margin required to win. --SCM 07:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and whoever said Bartz is a tit, grow up. --SCM 07:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
How can anyone be as immature as that? JudgeZarbi

Ok people, let's rewrite the law of math and common sense, because from this day on, 45.5 = 41!!!! Great job guys, u make me look smart. Leon5550

Conjurer: Are you really too stupid to realize that 4.5 is less than 10% of 45.5? That means that there is less than a 10% margin, and therefore a tie. It's too bad they really don't make Leon5550 look smart, because he sure can't.
@Leon, it says at the top draws may be called if the competitors are within 10% of each other. 10% of 45 is 4.5, but 10% of 41 is 4.1. Which one do we use? JudgeZarbi
@ Conjurer: Well, soooory but I'm using my common sense (it's so rare theese days, they start putting it as a superpower) to see that 45.5 > 41, and i'vent noticed the 10% thing. Leon5550
'Of each other' technically means in both ranges, so use the lower score. --SCM 12:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Therefore Seifer won. JudgeZarbi 12:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Ten percent of 45 is 4.5. The battle falls within the 10% range for a tie. Also, TA originalled tallied it as 45 to 41, which is still a tie, I merely corrected him. Drake Clawfang
This 10% tie thing is stupid. If one side is winning by half a point, then that side should win. Done. El Fin. --BlueHighwind 14:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Exactly JudgeZarbi 14:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Amusing how no one complains about the tie system until it results in a tie that you don't like. Drake Clawfang
Isn't it? JudgeZarbi 14:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that is because the previous ties were actually ties. Kadaj outright lost in the last fight. Maybe you guys should make it like Volleyball where one side needs to win by at least two votes in order to be declared the winner. I do not really care about the last fight since I did not even vote, but a four vote margin is kind of big to be called a draw.--Oranejo 15:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
On the subject of draws, I instituted the draw because we have had things come down to the line. I chose, specifically, a percentage because it is the least arbitrary. I can remember the uproar when Amano won. I took over the DNC shortly after that and instituted the rule to respect the opinions of all voters. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 21:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
@TA, if you're going to institute a percentage, you need to specify whether it's from the winner's vote count or the loser's vote count. JudgeZarbi 21:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, two things. First, remember this is Firion vs Bartz, not Firion vs Boco. Second, Bartz may not wear blue lipstick, but that's only because he's already wearing purple lickstick, which goes better with his grey skin. Drake Clawfang

Bartz has brown hair. The game programmers wisely chose to ignore Amano and his art completley. --BlueHighwind 15:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Which is what led to that CG render. You know full well that while Amano's designs may be odd sometimes, he's never given anyone grey skin. Drake Clawfang

I CANNOT believe Kadaj lost!!! Oh well. I also have to agree with BlueHighwind. I can only IMAGINE what would have happened if they didn't!!! BlueLionheart

This is a tough one. Haven't played FFV yet, but FFII is turning out to be the second most annoying game of the series. RowdyCMoore

I heard that. I played through that game with almost no idea what the heck I was doing. How I beat it, I don't know. But I never could get through Soul of Rebirth. --BlueHighwind 21:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Why did you change the fight description, Drake? I like TA's occasional bouts of randomness and quirkiness. -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 01:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Because it ws merely the original fight description of the last match, if you'll look - as seems to be common now, BlueHighwind and I had to fix up TA's slips. Drake Clawfang

You wanna talk about a frustrating game to get good at, play MGS4. just beat it on the extreme difficulty with no alarms, kills, deaths, health items used, in under 5 hours. i almost wanted to start ripping my hair out at some parts. the games still unbelievable, best game ive ever played to say the least. i donno how confusing ff2 is but after beating that game i feel like i can take on anything, so i might as well. Etch

Yea, I kno how u feel, I'm currently trying to get Big Boss rank, and the thought of suicide crossed my mind once in a while, I'm also currently trying to get Foxhound rank in MGS3.

Bringing up the tie thing without the ever decreasing column widths, the 10% thing is usually only applied when there are tens to hundreds of thousands of votes, and there is a possibility that some were overlooked. When there are 80 votes total, it's not really issue. 71.64.154.24 17:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

That rule was put in before we had 80 active voters. --SCM 02:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The rule was put into place when we dealt with ~40 votes per week. Its actually the magna carte of DNC rules. I suggest you learn deal with it or move on. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
It's actually the dumbest thing I've ever seen, Magna Carta or no. I suggest whoever came up with it take a statistics course in junior kindergarten. YOU DO NOT NEED A MARGIN OF ERROR FOR FEWER THAN 1000 VOTES. I thought that was just ... the way brains are supposed to work. 71.64.154.24 08:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It's because there's an argument whenever a victor is declared in a close match. Like it or not, we have to live with it. But I still say the 10% should be taken from the lower score. --SCM 09:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Otens: Hey Xia dood, pay attention to where you post your vote. I moved it from the 'Do not add below this line' thing. I may get in trouble for it, I'll never know because I'll disappear anyway for a bit.

Yikes. Tempers are really flaring over that whole Seifer thing, huh? Gravity Bomb 10:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Conjurer: No kidding. Shouldn't strict percentage-based rules cut down on that sort of thing?
@Conjurer: They should, but TA doesn't say whether it's from the top score or bottom.

Firionklauser: What is up with so many people liking Galuf? He has to be one of the worst main chars ever. And, about this whole percentage thing, I think if you have more votes, you win. Everyone has a fair shot in voting, and if you weren't able to, tough beans. It's kinda weird to say it's a tie and then you see the score clearly as 45.5 > 41.

I agree there. But what's so bad about Galuf, why do you think he's such a terrible main character?

If TA dares call this one a draw, I will kill him. JudgeZarbi 17:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Of corse not, cant u see Firion's winning? Maj.H

Firionklauser: I dunno, we all have our preferences when it comes to our favorites. I just see Galuf as some old boring guy. Although, granted, the scene where he and Bartz "see" Faris is entertaining, i'll give him that.

I can see that. Given's V's lackluster story as well as lackluster characters(even the cool ones) they don't leave much an impression. AnonyMan 03:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Week 80: Seifer v. Kadaj

Ff8-seifer2
Winner!!
DRAW
45.5 to 41
KadajHead
Misc. misguided male youth, go! Long coats, unorthodox swords, and a grudge with the heroes, these two come from two installments of the Final Fantasy franchise that have a true love-hate relationship with the fandom. But in a fight, who can beat who?

Votes for Seifer Almasy

  1. Gyromite This, is Seifer, people. The guy killed Odin with a single slash! Kuja and Sephiroths 2-year old child cant match up to that!
  2. Gotta support the guy who killed Odin on this one. --SCM
  3. By far the best temporary character you get (including Beatrix). It's a shame really that he was just that - temporary. Adam Mcduck
  4. Seifer is a Gambler. JudgeZarbi
  5. Seifer is pretty entertaining, even cooler by the games end. He's obviously very strong the fact he's taken on Squall and his cohorts(most of whom happen to be SeeD) and probably other kinds of opposition by himself says somthing. He even survived through the game's story. Nothing can keep him down. --AnonyMan 11:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  6. Dancing Daggers Since Kadaj is little more than Square Enix's lame-ass spinoff money-turning bitch, i've gotta vote for a character who is worthy of being in Final Fantasy.
  7. PietroFF: Seifer is not as good as Sephiroth, but it's been always great. In addition, I hate Kadaj and his goddamn reunion.
  8. Lockhart: Kadaj is a chickenwuss.
  9. He sucks less. Dark Raven
  10. Tex HOWDY!!! 18:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  11. Because Kadaj seems more unsure and incomplete. Sefiers confidence would lead him to victory --Maverick King 18:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  12. Blykus 18:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  13. Rihya I'm not really a Seifer fan, but I think Kadaj is way more annoying than him. Plus, thanks to Seifer we have Gilgamesh appearing in FFVIII. Any character connected to Gilgamesh deserves to win!
  14. ChaosEsperVII Yazoo is the best Sephiroth wannabe. Plus Seifer's clothes look way better.
  15. Minato Arisato Even though I always vote for FF7 cast I have to make a expection because Seifer is way better than Sephiroth wannabe and he made that scar to squall in an amazing ff intro
  16. RenzokukenXIV Anyone with a gunblade gets my vote.
  17. Aleria: They're both wicked, but my vote goes to the second FF game I played.
  18. Squallinoa_08: Even though Seifer really annoys me, I support him since he's from FF8. Kadaj is a wannabe.
  19. Henryacores: Seifer is annoying, stupid and arrogant. Kadaj is a momma's boy, stupid and arrogant. I hate momma's boys.
  20. Seymour2012: You fight Seifer, what, three... four times? Seifer has a gunblade.. And doesn't wear skin tight... leather...
  21. Silent Meiousei: I don't realy like advent children...Also I don't like Kadaj, so my vote for Seifer.
  22. Hyacynth: Gee, someone who wails on Squall or a character ripped straight from fanfiction.net? Lemme think here.
  23. User:KoniraThax: Seifer isn't some emo baby, he's just a confused angry kid with battle scars! And at least he makes sense. Kadaj is just some form of Sephiroth spawn.
  24. User:Ajox: "No Mercy" chicken wuss....
  25. Firebert: Yeah, have to go against the emo from Advent Children on this one.
  26. Yumino
  27. Sjoerd777 Kadaj might be able to become sephiroth, but then again, sephiroth remains a failure, while seifer owned odin. big time.
  28. Terra_Homing He killed Odin. Also Kadaj and the rest of his crew are pathetic. Plus, Seifer can be quite funny sometimes.
  29. BritBoy: Seifer is not effeminate in the least, unlike the Kadaj gang, plus he killed Odin and came up with the great line "Teamwork means staying out of my way", and the Kadaj gang spend all day having long hair, wearing black leather and crying...= EMO!
  30. Pablo: Changed my vote, I prefer Seifer :)
  31. herman1134 Seifer is a real character. Seifer is an indispensable part of FF8. Kadaj is nobody and means nothing. Seriously, why didnt they just put Sephiroth at the beginning of FF7AC? I totally agree with Anonymous comment number 5.
  32. XiaTheFatalWhispher 00:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Seifer's just pretty cool, plus I'm not the biggest fan of any FFVII character anyway.
  33. Absynthium Gotta say, I really dislike FFVIII with a passion, but I would take Seifer over Kadaj any day. Sure, he turned into Sephiroth, but he still got killed, didn't he? And Seifer makes an awesome punk in KH2.
  34. Drake1:The only two characters I liked more than Seifer in VIII were Laguna and Edea. Kadaj annoyed me to no end. The guy never shuts up when he's on screen, even when he's fighting.
  35. HLS: Seifer is a "good" traitor, he survived at the end, and there is a great music played when he learns that doesn't become a SeeD.
  36. Shadowjomi: Gunblades rule everything....
  37. Xaht: I never felt Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz were very... competent villians. Siefer has a gunblade, and gunblades are awesome.
  38. Ultamitestarwar Kadaj was fail, and i like FFVIII so i pick Seifer!
  39. User:The King of the LovelessSeifer is a Waay better fighter than Kadaj. He freeking owned Odin how does Kadaj stand a chance?
  40. Vanishing Star I didn't like Kadaj, I preferred Loz. But, Seifer is pretty awesome and it's cool that you got to control him for a section of the game.

Anonymous Votes

  1. He calls Zell a "chicken wuss" and brings a comedy twist to an otherwise boring first disc. And Kadaj acts like a child, at least Seifer is trying to be more adult
  2. Let's see, a delusional blond guy, trying to be a "knight" or that other guy. *blinks* Not really a tough choice.
  3. It looks like Seifer is wearing eyeliner in that picture but kadaj is much more of a girl so seifer wins - just.
  4. Kadaj is a pedophile
  5. Kadaj can't win, it's like people going along with enix's plan crushing the life out of the originals, fight on seifer fight on!
  6. Kadaj was just a mush puff compared to Seifer. A man who killed Odin like it was nothing. Kadaj couldn't even figure out Rufus had Jenova's head.
  7. Kadaj is only a third of sephiroth and fractions just annoy me lol. Besides I'm an FF8 supporter so I have to go with Seifer.
  8. I CANNOT stand Kadaj plain and simple... Sure Seifer can be an idiot and a jerk but I like him all the same. Him and Hyperion. Plus at least Seifer doesn't start whining about his mother... ALL THE TIME!
  9. Continuing from the previous comment which greatly amused me: Seifer to Kadaj - Hyperion to a Satyr - bit of Hamlet there for you which is what enix wants all their new games to be like (shakespeare quotes? seriously?)
  10. I can just see this battle coming down to Seifer and Kadaj monologuing at each other. The deciding factor would be that Seifer would get really annoyed at Kadaj's whiny little voice. That, and he cheats ;D
  11. He reversed the Zantetsuken, a move that kills in one hit guaranteed. Kadaj can't even properly complete a reunion, let alone kill Odin.

Votes for Kadaj

  1. Kadaj can turn in to Sephiroth, need i say more? GrimMoogle 03:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
  2. I think both these guys were good villains and are under-appreciated. That in mind, this is Kadaj's introductory match to the Colosseum. So a congratulatory vote from me. Drake Clawfang
  3. He was a really good villain,too bad he was Advent Children and we didn't get time to hate him like Sephiroth.Zack2222
  4. BlueHighwind: Just consider this my hatred of FFVIII talking, or it might be my love of Blue. But I will vote for Kadaj because he seems to be somewhat intelligent. Seifer, on the other hand, uses such terms as "chicken wuss". And how could I forget: he abandoned Edea! The bastard!
  5. Ultimateria: BH, you have opened my eyes to logic.
  6. Advent Children wasn't half bad, even if I did watch it through Youtube ^^ Kadaj was better than his two "siblings", I'll give him that. He did summon Bahamut SIN, after all. 8bit 15:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  7. BfD: I'm just one of those weirdos who really liked Kadaj, but then again, I liked Seifer, too.
  8. ChiefKakashi 17:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. 2127 18:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. I liked Kadaj, but his siblings were stupid. His childness is creepy, thats why i like it. I refuse to like Seifer since Knigdom Hearts Shat on him. Zack fair 007
  11. the Dan of action: Kadaj.. dont like either that much.. but I like Seifer even less
  12. Evil laughter is a go! OtOcon^_- 21:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  13. BlueLionheart: Ahh, my first Colosseum vote, and let it be for my beloved Kadaj. He'd blow Seifer away.
  14. Vito: Kadaj.
  15. Krystal: Kadaj has a lot more going on than Seifer.
  16. Super Sephiroth: I vote for the part of Sephiroth, rather than the bitch of Ultimecia.
  17. SeKaLoYa: Advent Children is the best movie I have ever seen second only to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
  18. Deadlyslashsword: I'm not really a fan of either, but my vote to goes to Kadaj because he didn't wield a stupid-ass foam club as a weapon in Kingdom Hearts 2. *Glares at Seifer*
  19. VN: Cos he has a girlish face and acts like a wuss. LOL. Seifer is too ego. I never like him.
  20. Conjurer: Seifer's weapon is wielded by Kadaj's goons. I think that shows who's above the other.
  21. A-Man968: Kadaj can move a lot faster, and even though he can sometimes look a bit stupid, he fights well and can turn into sephiroth. And anything to do with sephiroth is usually a good thing, unless you're Cloud Strife.
  22. RedMage: The two blades on his sword would mean that anything he stabs dies instantly (in truth). Also, he has a damn cool bike.
  23. ArableLadle: Combination of childish and violent is realy, REALY bad
  24. Shadowolf: It's the personalities. Kadaj is more like an insane, violent child in a more grown up body; Seifer's an abuser of power. And he sucked in Kingdom Hearts II.
  25. Rydiaofmist: I didn't really care for Kadaj, but I despised Seifer. I would vote for pretty much any character over Seifer.
  26. Sora G. Strife 09:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC) He's good enough for me.
  27. In AC, Sephiroth got chopped to pieces, but Kadaj is the one that died from it, so I pity him.Fuzzy McTeddyfluff 17:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  28. YuanchosaanSalutations! 05:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  29. Draga I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I'm going for Kadaj. Everyone knows how destructive an angry, pissed off child can be. Plus, he has a katana. Katanas are just good.
  30. The Gunblade sucks. Plus I never played FF8. Besides, Kadaj is to pathetic to hate. OwlEye 04:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  31. Rocking Chair Seifer sucked. He sucked in Final Fantasy VII and he sucked even more in Kingdom Hearts II. Someone as gay as Seifer should be sent to the end of the Earth with the Backstreet Boys and a T.V with a marathon of The Suite Life Of Zack and Cody rerunning 10:04 pm 12 August 2008 EST
  32. ChocoboRider Didn't like FFVIII very much.
  33. Just because. And the sword he uses is cool.--Muchomas35 20:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  34. Alec Frost If it actually came down to it, Kadaj would wipe the floor with Seifer, i mean sure his gunblade is kinda cool (Not as cool as Squall's) And congrats you have a scar on your face. Kadaj is a physical manifestation of Sephiroth, come onnnnn
  35. AvaGirl10Roses: There are no words to describe my reason for this vote. ;]
  36. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L : So I can call it a tie.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Never played FF8 so I pick kadaj
  2. People say Tidus is whiny, but is think Seifer is WAY more like a child. Heck, I even like FF8 - all of it, except for Seifer (oh, and the later Triple Triad rules lol).
  3. Kadaj had the much better voice actor. All Hail Steve Staley: Neji, Fayt, Kadaj, and all manner of awesome characters.
  4. Kadaj is teh smex.
  5. Kadaj looks cooler than Seifer.
  6. Havent played ff8 so i vote kadaj, even though hes girly....and whiny... <(^_^)>
  7. Kadaj is cooler =).......thanks to Sephiroth x3<33 Sephiroth´s awsome! xD<33
  8. I want Kadaj's babies because he's smexy. . . and I'm a guy ^_^
  9. He looks so much better then Seifer, and I just plain old like him more!
  10. Silver hair!!! & Seifer just isn't cool so Kadaj is the less-suckiest of the two

Peanut Gallery

Two votes for Seifer and I already see the pattern of votes for him...Seifer may have killed Odin, but then he got whipped by Gilgamesh! Just reminding you of that. Drake Clawfang

That just proves how awesome Gilgamesh is. --SCM 06:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Hm...Gilgamesh beats Seifer, who beat Odin. Gilgamesh was beaten by Galuf, who was killed by Exdeath, who was beaten by Bartz....interesting transitive properties you've shown. Drake Clawfang
Gilgamesh is too awesome to be beaten, thats why the space-time rift balanced his awesomeness by having ExDeath destroy Galuf for beating him. Gyromite
BARTZ is more awesome than Gilgamesh! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! --SCM 08:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Galuf is more awesome than Batrz who is more awesome than Gilgamesh who is more Awesome than FFXII's cast who beat him as well. If anything Gilgamesh is inconsistent. --AnonyMan 11:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Y-yes, that must make sense *returns to normal* --SCM 02:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It sucks Kingdom Hearts ruined Seifer; where's his rivalry with Squall, it would've been cool. --AnonyMan 12:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

His rivalry still exists, just not with Squall. JudgeZarbi


Huh, TacticAngel actually bothered to make a fight this week. I kinda hoping he had moved on to other things. Well, whatever, I can't hide my disappointment. Anyway, how do you pronounce "Seifer". I've always been a "SIGHfer" kind of guy, but I often hear "SEEfer", which just sounds idiotic. --BlueHighwind 12:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts II says it's "SIGHfer", therefore it's "SIGHfer". JudgeZarbi
Meh. I always pronounced it SAY-fur. Because it does indeed sound better. I Lion Heart I

So... do I vote for Seifer 'cause of the Badass Longcoat and cool weapon or for Kadaj 'cause he has a great Evil Laugh and is connected to Sephy? OtOcon^_- 14:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to point out Kadaj more or less has the coat and weapon as well... Drake Clawfang
I am as constant as the Northern Star! --TacticAngel 21:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
In that on some nights we have no clue where you are when we need you?....Drake Clawfang
I can't be here all the time. I will be getting a more predictable schedule soon, though. I have a talk page. I will do all that is necissary, I just can't be on call all the time. Besides, most of you wouldn't want to pay the long-distance. --TacticAngel 21:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Seifer is connected to Gilgamesh, while Kadaj gets his own custom Bahamut summon. Lol. Drake Clawfang Man, this is all i gotta say. People here who are against final Fantasy VII will not vote for them at all costs. Good bye Final Fantasy VII winning streaks. -Zack fair 007

Yeah, but this is FFVIII; people were always were hating on it. VII's got nothing on it in terms of negative fan attention. So in the same sense people who hate VIII will vote against it at all costs too. --AnonyMan 20:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
But people should vote for a character because they like that character, not just the game. Im not a huge fan of VII or V, but if i think a character from one of those games is better at the time, i would vote for them fairly. Gyromite
VII is the 7th Chaos Esper's preference, but Kadaj is wack. Yazoo was easily a better character and annoyed the shit out of Cloud in the forbidden forest fight (which is one of very little of Advent Children's saving graces). And SEEfer does sound stupid. Seifer owns Kadaj. Yazoo owns Kadaj. We all own Kadaj. ChaosEsperVII
What no love for Loz? He was the best(can't believe I'm saying this) Sucka...roth remnant, ugh. He had the best weapon...and hairstyle and he was the funniest, he also didn't look as girly as the other two. --AnonyMan 00:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah but Loz was a crybaby and they said they didn't give Yazoo screentime for the same reason as Red XIII and Cait Sith's mog, his hair. Plus Yazoo owned Cloud in the Forbidden Forest fight. Loz was emotional support. ChaosEsperVII
Still cooler though(that's why he's funny). I guess they got lazy for Yazoo, because that didn't stop them from give other long haired characters over-the-top action sequences. Yaz got gyped. --AnonyMan 16:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Yea Yazoo got gyped. I don't like or dislike Loz but its cool that he's a serious fighter. ChaosEsperVII
I hate VIII and I voted for Seifer {SIGH-fer}, though I also hate Advent Children. There are, however, some characters from VII that I would choose Seifer over. -- Drake

Hmm! A close fight. This one should be interesting, though I've thrown my vote for the gunblade-wielder. --Tex HOWDY!!! 22:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It's going that way so far. C'mon Seifer, you can't lose to this crappy, cheap excuse to bring back another crappy villain. --AnonyMan 02:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to point out to the one Kadaj voter's comment. The "GunBlade" the two cronies use are really just firearms. Something the Gunblade is in fact not(despite it's name). --AnonyMan 13:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

But the Velvet Nightmares DO have a blade-like edge along the top, which they are able to use to block with at the very least.-RedMage
The Velvet Nightmare is a beautiful weapon. Actually the blade is on the bottom. It would be impractical to hold it like a gun and block with the top. Just like it's impractical to block with the top of a normal sword. ChaosEsperVII

Whoever left anonymous vote #4 kinda freaked me out a little.-BlueLionheart

Which side? They're both disturbing. --SCM 21:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Seifer, anon no 4. JudgeZarbi 11:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Sephiroth should be disqualified for having too many emoticons, and the abundance of 'gay level'...Seymour2012

LOL this reminds me of Chemistry... VN

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