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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section may be deleted. Users who do not log in when they vote will be considered anonymous IPs, and their votes also may be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 78: Recurring Comic Relief Boss Battle - Ultros v. Gilgamesh

Ultros battle
Winner!!
undecided
GilgameshFFVI
These guys again? They make you laugh (or try their best to). These are the the comic relief monsters from the SNES games. Which is superior, the greedy octapus who has more lives than he does arms, or the incompetent multi-armed epic hero for whom IT'S MORPHING TIME!?

Votes for Ultros

  1. Way funnier. Dark Raven - Vote in the Pit!
  2. You're in the presence of octopus royalty! Ultros had the multi-arm thing going on even before Gilgamesh tried to copy him in XII and Revenant Wings. 8bit 00:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. Gilgamesh is cool, but Ultros is classic. Besides, he's the administrator of the DNC and has his tentacle-y mug on the template. That is win. Drake Clawfang
  4. Yumino: Uwee hee hee~!
  5. RowdyCMoore Who does Gilgamesh think he is - a Power Ranger? Now that that's out of the way: Ultros would win because he has Chupon guarding his back. He'd sneeze Gilgamesh away and Ultros would take the credit.
  6. Faethin: Ultros is the best comic relief in the whole series. Yet another "best of" for VI.
  7. dudutsai: Neither of them are funny..... but "Yeowch!! Seafood Soup!"
  8. actiondan: really.. random
  9. Utopian Heretic Gilgamesh doesn't stand a chance against Ultros. He's a much better comic relief to a more plot driven game while Gilgamesh was a comic relief in a more gameplay oriented Final Fantasy. Thus, Ultros dominates.
  10. Initial Reality Eh, this is more of a sympathy vote than anything.

Anonymous Votes

  1. This dude is way funny.
  2. Who is Ultros?
  3. Anyone got any beastiary info on this guy?
  4. Hey who won the last match between this guy?
  5. This guy made FF 7 truely awesome!!
  6. Does this guy have any relation to the Antlion from FF4?
  7. He is my favorite summon!!

Votes for Gilgamesh

  1. Ultros isn't funny. Gilgamesh is hilarious with great lines all around. He single-handedly saved FFV's entire crappy plot. And his cameo in FFXII was amazing. --BlueHighwind 00:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  2. Pablo618:I hate ultros, easily the worst recurring boss EVER
  3. Mr. Rojo: I like both characters, both were funny in their own game, but Gilgamesh was great in FF XII.
  4. Kaiser Dragon: "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
  5. Zephyrus11: Fly Enkidu! Fly!
  6. Sanctiel: I vote for MORPHING TIME.
  7. Squallinoa_08: Gilgamesh is cool! When I played FFVIII and he appeared, I was like, DAMN! This guy is cool and no one should ever underestimate him.
  8. It Gilgamesh. OtOcon^_- 03:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  9. Gokus789: Excalipoor FTW
  10. Gyromite: Ultros is hilarious, but this is Gilgamesh were talking about here. This is gonna be the most one-sided fight this place ever had.
  11. User:Zack fair 007: Gilgamesh has a cooler name, looks cooler, and Ultros, man, this ain't worth it. Gilgamesh hands down.
  12. User:Rainacide: Gotta vote for Gilgamesh, he has been in more Final Fantasy games but has taken in different roles, some as a theif (FFIX), or a GF (FFVIII) or even a boss (FFXII) while Ultros is just a joke character, which is humourous but Gilgamesh just pwns.
  13. Super Sephiroth:I hate FFVI, don't mind V, but I do like VIII and XII, in which Gilgamesh also appears. I still don't even reraly know who Ultros is, because he sucks balls, along with a great part of FFVI.
  14. YuanchosaanSalutations! 07:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  15. It is not an option for an octopus (read - Tentacle Monster) to win. HexedTourney
  16. Gilgamesh has apeared in more games than Ultros... And his name has never been changed... And he has a crapload of weapons... Most of which are swords, although he does have a spear and an axe... What? I like those too... (Just not as much as swords...) And Gilgy has never once looked like a pile of moving jelly (although it is cool). And his battle tactics are better than Ultros's... And he's funnier! But that's just my opinion...Lord Xale 08:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  17. Gilgamesh is both funny and cool at the same time. Ultros is funny at times but most of the time he's simply an annoying purple octopus. Adam Mcduck
  18. Gilgamesh's fight in FFXII was awesome.Zack
  19. Vito:Gilgamesh.
  20. JZ: He uses 5 different swords on FFXII.
  21. Xadren: The best incompetent in the world.
  22. He has a song, and does Ultros have a song that's neat? I don't think so. Besides, Gilgamesh is much funnier.~LadyLeonhart
  23. Not because he's funny, he's just so much cooler. I Lion Heart I
  24. I thought they were both funny, although Gilgamesh had a bigger, funnier role than "orthros" in FFXII. I'm going with the one with a bigger résumé. -DarthBangaa
  25. Chocobo Knight not Chocobo-Knight, that's another user
  26. Ancient Sumarian Legend? Count me in!--Muchomas35 14:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  27. maxtersmen: Gilamesh is obviously way better. orthros is an octopus!
  28. Firionklauser: VI was undoubtebly superior to V, but Ultros is a joke. Instead of getting an upgrade in WoR, he becomes a frickin receptionist! Ol' Gil went out with style against Necrophobe, so my vote's for him.
  29. Blykus 16:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  30. ChaosEsperVII:Who doesn't like Gilgamesh? He has Genji armor, Excalipoor, and Zantetsuken. Not to mention a million other swords.
  31. Tex HOWDY!!! 18:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Gilgamesh after he is defeated eventually comes back to defeat an enemy for you, Ultros is reduced to a clerk at a colosseum. Besides Gilgamesh shows up in Ultros's game. He is just that cool.
  2. gilgamesh is so much cooler xD
  3. i like this guy in FF8!
  4. Any relation to Yojimbo?
  5. I just washed my squeaky kitty!! Gilgamish for the winzors!

Peanut Gallery

Usually the previous fights' votes are tallied before a new one is put up. Since TA isn't here at the moment, can everyone PLEASE REFRAIN FROM VOTING until I tally the votes and remove votes in the wrong sections? Thank you 8bit 00:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops... I just declared a winner. Feel free to fix the numbers, but I don't think Basch and Noah are going to be winning by surprise. --BlueHighwind 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC) (UTC)
Fix the numbers, and remove some votes. Thanks for the large edit conflict that made me copy and paste >.> 8bit 00:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I gotta say, with 18 votes in favor and none again, I cannot recall a fight suggestion for the DNC ever getting so much support. This should be good. Drake Clawfang 00:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Its why I picked it. If I'm going to get banned for making a fight just out of the blue (no pun intended), it might as well be the best damn fight we have. --BlueHighwind 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
@Gyromite - this is the most one-sided fight ever? Obviously you missed the Tidus vs. Squall fight - Squall won 66.5 to 28.5. Zidane vs. Tidus, 46 to 15. Or Shiva vs Mateus, 54 to 13.5. Oh, better yet, the Gullwings vs. the Turks - 41 to 7.5! Ha, lowest score ever, X Yuna vs X-2 Yuna: 26 to 5!
The DNC has a long history of horribly one-sided battles. This is one-sided, but it will most certainly end up closer than any of the fights I just named.

GYAH! How is it possible that I'm LOSING to that six-armed FREAK! Y'all want me to eight-slap each one of you, huh? I AM THE ALMIGHTY, ALL-KNOWING RECEPCIONIST! Uwee-hee-hee-hee... -Ultros 15:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Week 77: Twin Battle II - Basch/Gabranth v. Edgar/Sabin

Winner!!
Figaros
46 to 36.5
File:165px-Ff6 edgar.jpg File:200px-Ff6sabinart.jpg
The second battle of twins, these a little more serious. In the left hand corner, we have the two opposing forces of the fon Ronsenburg camp. In the right hand corner, we have the Figaro camp. Knight, Judge; Engineer, Monk. Who reigns supreme?

Votes for fon Ronsenburgs

  1. AsTidus: I don't know who Edgar and Sabin are...so I'm voting for Basch and Gabranth. The Rosemburgs rule!
  2. BoredFreakTribalBasch is the sh*t! he is clearly a tank and more determined and good-hearted. and we all know good wins over evil!!!!!}}
  3. SCM
  4. Blykus 04:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  5. Adam mcduck: Gabranth rocks & Basch isn't that bad either. Sabin & Edgar are just a bit boring.
  6. Azul: I hate Sabin.
  7. N/A 07:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  8. Thats Maj. Heartless for u!!! I'm votin fr d best twins there is, and those guys know how to kick asses and they choose their fate, they dont let some random coin do the choosin. And u gota love Gabranth's armour n Basch's clothes.
  9. Basch in RW = awesome. You know that I don't think much of Edgar + Sabin if I'm voting for these two and haven't played XII. 8bit BlackMage 14:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  10. Liked them a bit more. No hard feelings.--Otherarrow 15:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  11. MK:Hm.... Basch beat Sabin..... and Noah beats Edward. Done. That took a while to figure out. *goes back to Disgaea*
  12. Zombire Basch and Gabranth are the best twins in the history of the universe. Loyalty and Honor, they know it. And FF12 was just a kick ass game anyway.
  13. ChaosEsperVII: Who doesn't like these guys? Plus Gabranth looks like Darth Vader. Not to mention Basch's quickenings are cool.
  14. Aleria I loved both Gabranth and Basch, so how could I not vote for them? Plus, they're losing badly..
  15. DarthBangaa I can watch Basch's quickenings all day and still wince in pain every time I see them hit the poor target.
  16. DVardonir: First, I'd vote for the FFXII side once there IS a FFXII side. Besides, it's Obi with Vader Basch an' Gab: They're hot identical twins. *shot* Plus, they're on the losing side.
  17. UM: Edgar's not very cool...
  18. yamiza: Well really....
  19. AvaGirl.
  20. Zero (0)
  21. HexedTourney
  22. BlueHighwind: These guys had one of the most complicated and mature storylines ever to appear in FFXII. I loved Gabranth's desperate plea to be punished for his betrayal. His pain was real. Edgar and Sabin are little more than comic reliefs. As flat as the pixels they're drawn on. And just in case anybody gets confused: FFXII destroys FFVI.
  23. Masamune: Even though Sabin was cool, I HATE Edgar. Basch & Gabranth both kicked phenomenal amounts of ass. Plus they have some sweet banter while Basch is still imprisoned.
  24. Zack:Basch and Gabranth rule
  25. SeKaLoYa: I love Gabranth's armor!! and all Judge armor. Also I like the Chasers armor in the Birth by Sleep secret trailer.
  26. Pablo618
  27. Xaht
  28. Sinh
  29. CidTheFirst: How can you beat Basch and Gabranth's yin/yang dynamic - they were one of the best bits to FFXII.
  30. Deadlyslashsword: Basch and Gabranth tricked everyone about who really killed the king. Edgar and Sabin are cool, but them and thier trick coin just doesn't hold a flame to the FFXII twins.
  31. JZ: Basch's quickenings were great. If you could get Gabranth as a playable character in your party, then him and Basch would kick all ass in their wake. And FFXII was cool too.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Basch's flame purge n Gabranth's judgement looks awesome (even if judgement sucks). Basch n Gabranth are real soldiers, theyr not some royalty hidden in a palace or a cave.
  2. I didn't like FF12, but I haven't really played enough of FF6. So this vote will go off their looks, and seeing as one of these twins has cool-ish armour, my vote goes here.
  3. Because of Basch I wear boots everytime I wear shorts. Besides, he hadouken-ed that air cutter!
  4. I'd have to go with the fon Ronsenburgs, if for no other reason than that you can (and most likely will) make them fight each other. They also have that whole Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader dynamic going on.
  5. IM CAPTIAN BASCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Saraija Merinas
  6. Go Twins!
  7. Dunno who the others are so these two get my vote.
  8. Same But I love Basch! lol
  9. The XII twins are hardened troopers, they've been in the combat zone for way longer.
  10. The Ronsenburg twins are dreamy in a rugged and sexy way. :9 Basch has a Rubiks Cube shoulder patch, and Gabranth/Noah has a bike-looking helmet. xD Besides, I've never played FFVI. But I'm planning on purchasing FFA later on. So this anonymous vote is based on physical appearance, I know how shallow of meh'. :p
  11. "...I'm Captain Basch Von Rosenburg!"-Vaan the idiot

Votes for Figaros

  1. FFsage Sabin and Edgar's famous coin flip is a scene for the ages, they get the nod
  2. OtOcon^_- 03:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. Drake Clawfang - Edgar and Sabin kick ass.
  4. Both Sabin and Edgar were part of my average "strong team". While basch and Vader Gabranth are cool, I couldn't use Vader Gabranth.
  5. Utopian HereticYou're joking, right?
  6. AnonyMan:Gabranth and Basch are ok in their own right, but compared to the Figaro brothers they look like crap. They're better characters with better personalities.
  7. Atmawep - Bash was cool but Sabin would whoop him and Edgar would school Gabranth.
  8. Gyromite: Normally i would immediatly jump into the FFXII vote bin, but Edgar and Sabin are much better. Theyve been through alot, and they even helped eachother survive the end of the world, Basch and Gabranth, despite how awesome the both of them are, hate eachother too much to consider themselves brothers.
  9. Hydronisa: I don't think think this is much of a fight.
  10. Mymindislost: I do love FFXII, but Edgar and Sabin rule.
  11. actiondan: yea.. Basch and Gabranth were pretty cool.. but Edgar and Sabin were immense.
  12. Vito: Basch kills Gabranth, Sabin and Edgar kill Bacsh.
  13. Otens: [No Comment]
  14. Squallinoa_08: I definitely like Final Fantasy VI, so Sabin and Edgar. Sabin's blitz are mighty powerful and Edgar's tools are insane! Take that Basch and Garbranth.
  15. Metus: Nice way to say it, Vito
  16. Firionklauser: They were two of the best characters on VI. Great match-up, but the Figaro twins are just so much better.
  17. Sabin and Edgar are both powerhouses in Final Fantasy VI (Bum Rush+Chainsaw). Basch and Gabranth are a cliché plot-device. -Henryacores 14:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  18. User:Cloudvs.cecil: Like anything can campare with Bum Rush and the trusty ol' Drill. My choice team always includes the Figaro Bros. Go Figaro!
  19. Lockhart: This vote is basically for Edgar, whom I think owns both fon Ronsenburgs and his brother.
  20. Oranejo 16:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  21. Tragedian: I like the Figaro brothers. They have a nice dynamic between them and I especially love Sabin's scenes with Gau. Some of the funniest in the game. I vote for the SHINY MAN and the royal pervert. ^__^
  22. VN: I like how loyal the fon Rosenburgs are to Ashe and Larsa, and the whole brother conflict thing going on. But the classic 'it was my evil twin' thing turn me off a bit. Throughout FF6, we don't see any brotherly scenes between the Figaros except in certain points of the game. However, the reason I voted for them is because; 1. I love Edgar's Tools, so adorable and he makes the random battles funnier, 2. Sabin, despite his buff physique, he's actually a compassionate person. Not only that he wants to protect his brother, but he also looks out for Gau. Damn sweet!
  23. Sanctiel: I will always vote against anything from XII because I loath it so. VI was way better.
  24. JARIITX 23:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  25. Ameria: Vote for Edgar and his brother. Men were just tougher back in VI. yep.
  26. RowdyCMoore Edgar or Sabin are always in my FFVI party. Even though I cant get Sabin's blitzes to work, he's still a great fighter with Gengi Glove, and Edgar's tools tear monsters apart. Plus, VI is one of the best games.
  27. Yumino: Two-headed coin~
  28. Sjoerd777 Used a coin toss for this. Head was figaro, tails was rosenburgers. Heh, the coin had heads on both sides.
  29. PietroFF Since I love FFVI, I think it IS obvious I vote for the Figaro twins.
  30. Copus This shouldn't be a contest, but i suppose more people have played FFXII now so will vote for the other two.
  31. Etch: Someone keeps deleting my vote
  32. Marcus Leonhart: Sabin vs the world and I still would put my faith on Sabin. Put Edgar on the line and together they are unstoppable!
  33. DrakemasterDrake:I would like to vote for Basch/Gabranth, who were actually my favorite characters from Final Fantasy XII, but Edgar and Sabin were awesome, and if not for Sabin I never would've completed Final Fantasy VI.
  34. Gamer2127:Yes. They were awesome.
  35. Rydiaofmist: These guys were funny, fun, and great in battle.
  36. Zack fair 007 i've moved my vote over here.
  37. dudutsai: Usually I vote because I hate the other guy, but in this case, Sabin and Edgar are just sooo good! Both of them were also really good in battle.
  38. Vanishing Star: Damn, Edgar and Sabin FTW. I hate Basch. :] Crush them.
  39. Keiko2113: ooh hard :( as much as i love FFXII characters i cant help but like Edgar more, not so much a fan of sabin, but Edgar does make me chuckle. sorry Basch / Gabranth.
  40. Mr. Rojo: I like a lot the Figaro brothers, Sabin is one of my favorite FF6 charaters plus he is a monk! and Edgar was cool. I think Basch and Gabranth are good, but just dont like them that much.
  41. Mateus: I think I have changed my mind. Just like to say, Sabin + Edgar = Kick-ass awesomeness. I'm so sorry Basch / Gabranth, you guys are the only best, but Sabin and Edgar could beat you down with ease. *sniffle*
  42. ChocoboRider: Basch is awesome, but Edgar kicks total ass.

Anonymous Votes

  1. hmmm me nd my dog intersepter can killem all but i dont know how to make battle thing
  2. Edgar and Sabin rox! inseparable by any fight
  3. Edgar and Sabin rules! And Sabins fighting skills are awsome!
  4. Edgar and Sabin were one of my two strongest characters in my party.
  5. Anyone remember the chainsaw? Or how Sabin goes up and just punches enemies in the face? The fon Ronsenburgs just don't have any of the cool shiz going on.
  6. What can I say? Edgar alone owns both Basch and Gabranth.
  7. EmuMaster: Mr. Giant Buzzsaw wins my vote.
  8. You'd be stupid to not use Edgar and Sabin as often as possible.

Peanut Gallery

I know final fantasy 12, but those two suck. I hate their guts. But who are Edgar and sabin? someone tell me so i have a reason to vote for them. Zack fair 007 04:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, you could try clicking the links to their pages in the header to find out for yourself... --Mymindislost 05:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Supposely the Ronsenburg Brothers should win, but I also think of the Figaro Brothers as the supreme. However I have no choice on which brothers should I vote for. - Mateus

Do a coin toss, heads you pick Figaro brothers and tails you pick Ronsenburg Brothers. If you don't get this, wow, I mean...really... Just playing around though don't let it interfere with your choice. Otens
Actually I like the heads more than the tails, but I like the Ronsenburg brothers more than the Figaro brothers (although I've know the infos about Edgar and Sabin). But look, I prefer that Basch because he had never won before (and Gabranth because I like his armour). But if the Figaro brothers win, let them be. So there's no choice between the Ronsenburgs and the Figaros. - Mateus

Just wanna say, if Basch is the hero and Gabranth is the villain, then I think Cecil and Golbez would have been a more appropriate pair to pit them against. But they'd still lose as they are now I'd think. Cecil/Golbez vs Edgar/Sabin would be more of a fair fight. Drake Clawfang 06:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but supposedly this is a battle of Twins, which Cecil/Golbez are unfortunately(?) not. Otens
What about Palom and Porom from FFIV? Pitting them against the Figaros would've made more sense, but they're crap compared to Basch and Gabranth. So who cares? --AnonyMan 13:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I do. I like Palom and Porom because of their strong magic. But to put them in a fight againts either Fon Rosenburgs and Figaros, I predict that they will lose drastically --VN
Palom and Porom are pretty bad, but so are Rapha and Marach. Who would win that twin fight? --DarthBangaa
Raph and Mar aren't twins, but they do suck. It's be a toss up between those two and P&P. --AnonyMan 13:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

To Tragedian, since when is Edgar a pervert? He is a flirt, yes, but he definitely did not touch Terra's butt or peep on Celes changing. --VN

Edgar is a pervert. Remember when you meet Relm? What was going through his mind? Sick man. Also, talk to the little girls in Figaro to see Edgar's problems. --BlueHighwind 16:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Same. I'm hoping that little girl he promised to marry grows up to be fat and ugly and she expects him to live up to his promise. Just to see it bite him in the ass. Drake Clawfang 16:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
While we're on this, who the heck could ever like Relm? Her theme is one of the worst songs in all of Final Fantasy. And she's digustingly annoying. --BlueHighwind 16:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
She's a loudmouth, but I wouldn't say annoying. She's one kick-ass mage though. Drake Clawfang 16:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The twins aren't that bad. They were quite good even, in my book. They had their moments (being turned to stone). But rapha and marach, man. so horrible. tactics didn't need 'em--Firionklauser

Dood, they broke the invinsible monk chain. Something about no faith and some skill (can't remember.) Well, Marach did anyway as his skill set does damage through faith. Otens
As much as i love both sets of characters, vi was the better rounded game imho. better story, character depth, villain, conflict. its characters from one of the games you were basically raised on back in the SNES days when sakaguchi was still running the show and amano was developing the characters vs square enix's most recent installation's cast of characters developed by nomura. but thats just my point of view.. Etch
FFXII had plenty of depth. If you think Hironobu Sakaguchi is Mr. Perfect, let's look at FFV. He's the concept creator, and the director. And even so, the game's storyline is emotionally bankrupt! Only Gilgamesh had anything close to depth. Oh, he may have pulled off FFVI and FFVII, but that still doesn't mean the guy is Jesus. Watch Spirits Within, then tell me all about the "genius" of Sakaguchi. --BlueHighwind 15:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
touché highwind. but did i ever say that i thought sakaguchi was a god or a genious? if you look through what i said, i didnt use the words "genious" or "perfect" or whatever the fuck you imagined i meant. and did i ever explicitly say that i thought xii didn't have depth and that it's not a good game because sakaguchi didn't direct it?? i respectfully disagree. i dont know where the fuck you got those assumptions from. stop putting words in my mouth. it's just my opinion that vi had more overall depth, and an art style and directing style that made the characters more lively (with some exceptions in both games ie basch, gabranth and balthier are fucking great characters, while characters like umaro and cyan sucked ass) thats all it is dude. but it might also be the fact that i have a weakness for the classics, so attack one or the other if you really must try to patronize me for giving my opinion. i love both games as it is. as for sakaguchi, ffv was an admitted pain in the ass to play indeed (though i have read you do give a walkthrough to it incidentally saying some positive things about it), as with the spirits within (admittedly an abomination) but look at the other things he brought to the series. he was a part of the lifeblood behind final fantasy and its roots. you wouldnt have final fantasy if he didnt come up with the idea. he, in a sense, was what saved square, but in an ironic twist, was responsible for the fall of squaresoft and the rise of square enix because of his film. that is delving deeper on your point. but you cant forget that some of the most unforgettable games in the series were directed or produced by him (you forgot to mention ffiv and ffix on his list of successes). you cant take it away from him that he directed these games and conceptualized one of the most successful (if not THE most successful) rpg legacies in video games. he wasn't perfect by any means, but more often than not u could count on him to make one hell of a game, and is still a solid video game director in my books, but not films. but i guess thats ultimately up to you to decide what you prefer. i should have worded what i said differently, but dont take my words as negative criticism of xii, and blind support of sakaguchi. besides, my favorite video game director is actually Hideo Kojima of metal gear solid infamy, the only series that i hold higher than ff and the only series that i would remotely consider kissing its ass. well anyways, it was my pleasure arguing with you; i await your counter arguements, unless my deductive reasoning satisfied you. До свидания Etch
Metal Gear is my third favorite game series behind Final Fantasy & Legacy of Kain, but I do agree that Kojima is the main man of directing. I won't say anymore because I am sick and if I argue with anyone right now I will destroy the first person I see physically, mentally, and emotionally unless I see the Dark Knight. - ChaosEsperVII 20:43 PM 16, July 2008
I know how u feel. i got tickets for opening day for that movie and im still on edge to see it. Etch

I just added about five more "DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!!" because somebody can't seem to read. Maybe if I put more up, he will be able to pay attention. I'm going to Rollback the next edit I see that screws up this page's format. I don't care what you just said. --BlueHighwind 01:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

whyy, because it makes sense?? you're a piece of work dude. get your head outta your ass, you'll be a better person. hey, who knows, u might just live longer too. Etch
How does Editing Below the Line make sense? That message is up there for an excellent reason. So that you don't delete the "|}", which is required for the code of the page to run properly. To make sure that this grey box ends right here where it should. So that the Fights remain seperated by neat white lines. Ignoring this screws up our format, and makes everything look wrong. Then I have to fix it. Only somebody who is purposefully out to Vandalize would edit below the lines now. --BlueHighwind 02:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
o u mean this thing |} thats at the very bottom?? when i was writing down i thought i had made a mistake and i had typed that down there. i know this sounds like a stupid excuse but when you use a touch pad instead of a mouse one brush of the touchpad with your hand can change where you're typing. and i dont remember exactly everything that i type so i deleted that knowing that you're not supposed to write or edit below there thinking that this stupid touch pad did that again and i had typed a little bit of gibberish below. i couldnt tell that was a part of the html because it didnt look like it belonged there to me. im not an html expert, it was an honest human error. thats all i did. i was saying what made sense was arguing back and giving you your argument that u deserved back, and then having the nerve to ignore it, and not have the decency to even counter argue. where im from you dont get away that easily with what seemingly was an attempt to make me look stupid, without having to take shit in return. im an open minded guy and i believe everybody has the right to think for themselves and make their decisions, but i dont take shit from ANYBODY. but i am sorry, i know better now about the |} thing. thank you for bringing this to my attention. keep up the good work on the site.Etch
This is so off topic, but WTF? FFXIII on Abomination 360? Whatever happened to loyalty? Oh wait, Square took a crap on Nintendo. I hate XBOX. Anyone want to vent with me? - ChaosEsperVII 13:24 PM 17, July 2008
It's a fairly good move and I do like the 360. It's more than likely going to add sales to the 360. Now If only XIII is good(so far I'm not interested in ANYTHING FFXIII related). --AnonyMan 20:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Anything with Microsoft on it sucks. I may one day get an old PS2 just to play the FF games I can't get on Nintendo. But no Xbox will ever invade the sanctity of my home. RowdyCMoore
Wow, overreacting much? The move from PS3 exclusive to Multiplatform with the 360 was not only foreseeable, but predictable. Hell, most of the Sony exclusive game that were supposed to come out in the next year were announced to come over to 360. Why? Because the 360 generates more sales then the PS3 and therefore is the better target market. In other words why sell to 10 people with PS3s when you could sell to 100 people with 360s? And don't try to convince me the PS3 DOESN'T suck, you know you're just lying to yourself. But if any of you think you can change my mind, go ahead and try.VitoRyu
Explain how the PS3 sucks.- ChaosEsperVII 10:01 PM 20, July 2008
PS3 sucks because it's too expensive. 360 sucks because of the Red Rings of Death. Wii is kicking both their asses and if Square had any sense, they'd go crawling back to Nintendo. Rowdy
Price isn't a good reason for a console sucking. The PS3 is superior to the others. You get what you pay for. - ChaosEsperVII
I've moved the console wars over to my talk page, so it doesn't flood the DNC. VitoRyu

1. Me want cookie! 2. All your final fantasy are belong to us! 3. Refer to 1.

First of all, sign your posts, please. Second, WTF? --SCM 03:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

the dark knight kicked ass!! heath ledger truly outdid himself, and even jack nicholson. he should win a posthumous oscar if you ask me. thats all im gonna say without spoiling it. GO SEE THAT MOVIE!! Etch

IMDB users voted it as number 1 in the top 250 movies of all time. Although i don't rank my movies i would have to say it is up there. I haven't been as excited in a movie theater in a long time. Every actor really outdone themselves. I would say best Batman movie, best comic book movie, best villain ever, best batman actor, best joker, best two face. I overhyped it myself and it far exceeded my expectations. If Ledger doesn't win an Oscar I will incite civil war. - ChaosEsperVII 6:00 PM 22, July 2008

I was gone for five days correct? So why is this fight still up? In one hour, I'm changing it to Gilgamesh vs. Ultros unless TacticAngel swoops in and corrects things. (This is all at risk of being Banned, but I can deal with that.) I assume there will be no objections. --BlueHighwind 21:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Pre-vote for Gilgamesh XD. Hope the Yiazmat vs Penance one comes up soon... JZ


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