Votes for Tidus
- Dicey. This is definitely a tough decision. I vote Tidus.--High Summoner 04:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- actiondan: blah blah.. Tidus... at least he had a story that was worth being a story... hell.. even arguments over how to pronounce his name.. are about 5 million times more exciting than Squall!
- Tidus is my 3rd favourite main character. He's just more fun to play as. Adam mcduck
- TheSwordofDoubt 06:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Acropolis : Come on Tidus. Please don't lose this one...so humiliating
- Bartz235: Looks like Tidus is going down. This is pretty humiliating. Tidus was one of the better main characters. Caladabolg with BlitzAce=Dead Squall.
- Rydiaofmist: Don't get me wrong, I HATED Tidus's voice. But that aside, I actually didn't mind him as a character. Sure, he was whiny and annoying at times, but watching Squall struggle with expressing his emotions was like pulling teeth. I guess I have more tolerance for annoying, expressive characters than aloof, emo ones.
- Slayerette: I vote Tidus because the whole Dream Zanarkand thing is cool. And because he is getting whipped in this fight. :(
- Xadren: I prefear Tidus, he's more affable and often speaks nonsense!
- Zack fair 007: Tidus is just a funny character. look, he's lost, but copes with it, he cheers people up about stuff he doesn't know about, so i mean come on, Tidus is downright funnier and better than squall. But, i greatly admire squall also. By the way, Squall wasn't modeled afrter GACKT. Genesis was. Check my userpage about my new FFX idea! And also, Tidus was the first character who looked like real person. Not squall. He looks kool in KH2:)
- Lycentia: While I actually liked VIII, Squall is just a little angsty for me.
- Pablo618: I like Tidus, I have no problem with him =)
- Maverick Riot: Sympathy vote really... I like both of them anyway, but this is a whitewash... Everyone said Tidus was annoying... he wasn't that bad honestly. Squall is probably a better character anyway, but they're both brilliant in different ways.
- Onewingedangel 05:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC) I hate love stories! specially Emo ones!
- DrakemasterDrake:I actually liked Tidus. Though everyone seems to hate him for being "emo" he acts just like a normal guy would if he got thrown into the future, he's confused, he's afraid, he just wants to go home, and then this one person he meets in the future he falls in love with, and then learns that she's going to die. You wouldn't complain?
- Nirvana Phoenix: Tidus is possibly my fave FF main character. His complexities and reactions to his arrival in Spira are very well written and performed. In battle he's very good as well and is usually part of my team, Caladbolg is cool and Jetch Shot rules at Blitz! He may not be as cool as Cloud or Squall (Squall's only cool in KH/II as Leon anyway) but he's a different, empathatic hero who is leagues and boundsa ahead of Squall.
- Lockhart: Not the best of leading men, but Squall just doesn't do it for me. Not even a contest for me.
- Oranejo: ..because he is really getting his ass kicked right now.
- Cesar13: I vote for Tidus because half magical half physical characters rocks.
- Because he is not an Emo bitch, Tidus actually is one of the best protagonist (well, at least he's better than Bartz, Cloud or Squall...).-Henryacores 19:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- CidTheFirst: Although he's not got the best voice actor he does have an incredibly compelling story.
- RowdyCMoore: Just because so many seem to hate him. I think that sounds cooler than "pity vote."
Anonymous votes
- I prefer Tidus. He had a better personality than Squall, He wasnt a whiner.
- ME WANT COOKIES!
- A gunblade is just plain stupid, good ol fashion sword slashin for me
- I Hate These Dragon's Neck Colosseum Things Because 85% Of Them Are Based On Pure Bias I'll Vote Based On Combat.Caladbolg (Triple Overdrive,Break Damage Limit Etc.)+Blitz Ace+Endless Road(Break HP & Mp Limit) Vs. Lionheart+Lion Heart=Tidus Uber Mega Pwning Squall
- Why Tidus is loosing man?Squall is such a Cloud's rip-off.
- Please, Tidus, Fight on!
- Squall is nothing but a whiny butt, always sulking, he couldn't win a fight against a grapefruit (grapefruit's are tough) Tidus is the first FF hero that actually looks Asian, ROCK ON.
- squall just acted like an arse then a lovesick puppy then an idiot, that's NOT character development that's just sad! tidus was passable as a human being at least and blonde :)
- Yumiko: Um, well Tidus wasnt so bad. FFX had a nice story and it stuck to mostly fantasy. VIII was too scifi-ish for me. I mean Squall is a great character (and he is not emo. just because someone wears a lot of black and broods a lot doesn't mean their emo!" and he was in a great game but he is winning by too much. Anyways I don't see why people don't like Tidus. He wasn't whiny. At least he wasn't intended to be. If you ever get a hold of the japanese version of X you'll understand.
- Tidus totally kicked some tail in FFX thanks to the shere grid, and Caladbolg was a dang sweet weapon. Sure, he got a little annoying, but who doesn't? He was a genuine character and just made the story all the better.
- I think Tidus is underrated... 10 had more depth than 8 and a lot of that can be credited to tidus. squall is cool too but tidus gets my vote.
- Tidus is a great guy, but Yuna's such a whore, he deserved a better girl.
- I agree with Drakemaster Drake on this one. Besides in a fight you have to look at it like this, Tidus has Blitz Ace and the Caladbolg, a weapon that can BREAK THE DAMAGE LIMIT. Sure Squall has the Lionheart but it still wouldn't be as powerful, even if he can do 11 strikes of 9,999 while Tidus can do just as many strikes for even more.– Musashi
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Votes for Squall
- I doubt anybody could hate FFX as much as me. Squall wins because he exists and I'd take a mute over a whiner anyday --Maverick King 04:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yumino
- Squall for sure. I hate Tidus! I don't even have any other reason but that. Plus, I really like Squall. So I hope he wins. Vanishing Star
- Don't know or care who Tidus is, but I'm fairly sure he hasn't fought back to back with Cloud. Drake Clawfang
- Otens: I have to go with Squall on this one. Sure not the friendliest guy but at least he wasn't originally *Spoilish* a dream.
- Tidus even looks like a complete buffoon. Squall may not be the best protagonist either, but at least he looks sort of badass. I like that picture that TA chose to use. 8bit BlackMage 03:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Shariii: Someone said Tidus wasnt a whiner? I hope that was sarcasm. To be honest, they were both a whiney, but in different ways. HMM.. This is actually quite tough, because I really do like both of them (and their games, X/VIII) quite a bit.. but.. gonna have to settle with Squall.. He would deffinately win in a fight over Tidus. Also, as a sidenote: he, other than Cloud, was one of the few FF characters I looked forward to seeing in KH and ended up being quite happy about the result (the Tidus in the original KH game was terrible :O) =].
- AnonyMan: Weird designed Gunblade weapon aside, I'd say Squall could more than handle Tidus. Despite being around the same age(somewhat) Squall's actually proficient fighter with his weapon, he didn't of become an expert after some lame old guy gives him a sword. Also Squall despite being just a bit bigger loser than Cloud at first eventually evolves into a cool guy, can't say the same for Tidus.
- Leon's decent in Kingdom Hearts. OtOcon^_- 04:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- VN: I don't hate Tidus but I hate Squall. I vote him simply because he reminds me of myself.
- Vito: Squall.
- Gyromite: This is the character that got me into FF, he was my role model as a little kid, and he is my 2nd favorite character of all time.
- BlueHighwind: Who do I hate more? Well, Squall is at least somewhat like Cloud (in fact, exactly like Cloud, only with a lamer backstory, girlfriend, weapon, and is in FFVIII, so he sucks). But Tidus is just awful all around. Yuna deserves better!
- Yes, I voted for Tidus first, then i rememberd the Dissidia picture if him. He looks like a cheap, trashy whore you'd find only in the worst parts of LA in the latest parts of the night.--Muchomas35 13:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Slighter: Ah yes, ol' Squall, I do not like you (Cloud clone minus everything that makes Cloud awesome), but I do like your weapon. And yeh, Leon is cool.
- Dark raven: I actually like Squall. And Tidus is the second lamest main character in FF, after Vaan.
- TheRedMagus: Squall wasn't too bad, I suppose... at least not compared to the rest of the VIII cast. Whereas Tidus was just so annoying. In the end Squall gets my vote because at least you couldn't hear him talk.
- Hydronisa: Funny, up until now, FF8 has been the target of many an insult. But, whatever, Squall easily.
- Utopian Heretic: Squall may not be quite as epic as some other protagonists, but he easily owns Tidus.
- Squall has all the finess of a suicidal emo kid and the innocence of a sweet country boy. An original character from top to bottom who gets a hot a chick with pretty wings. Tidus is a make believe fairy tale boy come to life because some overgrown flying turd called Sin throw him up like bad tacos. FFX was more Yuna's story than anything else with FFVIII having Squall as a the main character with a fully fleshed out story.Seraphs blade 17:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Francly I have never herd of Squall but he gets my vote simply because Tidius is a blond who is useful for more than comedy, and that is so far out there, and from what I read Squall might actualy be able to exist in todays !@#$ed up world. Neverherd of him yet he gets my vote. Is that odd? Southgale
- klaros: squall all the way! he looks awesome, the gunblade is one of the best ff weapons ever and he is also my 3rd favourite character (zidane and zack 1st and 2nd). squall is awesome!!!!
- ChiefKakashi: This is what it came to for me: Squall can actually dress himself.
- ChaosEsperVII: The 7th Chaos Esper remembers how badass Squall was in his opening cinema and enjoyed being in Squall's head. And also cuz he is like Cloud. Tidus should not have come back to existence because it takes away from the tragic ending of Final Fantasy X.
- Super Sephiroth: They are both crappy main characters, but Squall has Lion Heart Limit Break, own Tidus. 'Nuff said.
- GunbladeWarlord: Squall is probably the most powerful main character in Final Fantasy(Sic Semper Lionheart) (Black Mage aside), so yeah, he wins.
- Mr. Rojo: I liked both characters, but well Squall was a mercenary and tidus just a blitzball player. Squall would win in combat easy. Also, personaly I think Squall was very cool and is my favorite main character.
- Etch: Dont get me wrong, both characters have their heroic moments, but james arnold taylor just brings down what tidus could have been. im pretty sure they dont have such problems with tidus in japan because the voice acting is much better and isnt annoying. dont blame tidus for being annoying blame the voice acting is all i say. but that aside squalls one of my fav characters just cuz he kicks so much ass in the storyline. ill say my 2 cents on tidus another day.
- Chaltier:Never really liked Tidus.
- He was the best fighter on my team, could do about 9500 with every slash with Lionheart. Cloudofdarkness 15:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- BoredFreakTribal: I vote for SQUALL!!!!
- Faethin: Well I actually like Squall. And you know what else, I LIKE ULTIMECIA TOO. There.
- Theentertainer: Clueless vs. Calculated thats easy, its Squall. Griever, Gunblades, Renzokuken. A Summoners Guardian vs. A Sorceress' Knight and a Merc leader to boot. gotta give it up to Squall. Not many guys can pull of Angst and Angry in leather and fur.
- Nyxana: Squall. Can't say I like the guy but in comparison to Tidus he wins hands down. Even Tidus' own father couldn't stand him, and with good reason.
- Squall!! ~Zero (0)
- Lord Knight Xiron - Squall all the way man. Calm, collected, awesome (trained!!!) swordsman who weilds an impressive, unique, specialized weapon, and doesn't spend the game complaining about how badly is father treated him. Not to mention that Squall never had that cheesy fake-laugh moment.
- Genesis rhapsodos: No offense to Tidus but this is an easy choice for me. Squall was awesome, always kept his cool and knew what to do when nobody else did. He took on any problem and didn't let his burdens become anyone elses. Dark, cool, and intense. A total bad A. Squall wins this round pretty bad A.
- Mateus_the_Corrupt: I will voted for Squall coz he kicks ass, man! And to think that Tidus is a total moron, his sword has no chance with Squall's gunblade.
- Netherith: As to be expected here is my vote.
- UM: Don't get me started on Tidus...
- Dramirth: I will give my vote for Squall, absolutely! He's a trained mercenary and has mastered a highly unusual, difficult weapon. Tidus is just a sports star and when Auron first gave him a sword, he couldn't even pick it up properly. I like both of the guys here, but Squall is just so much cooler in any way.
- I cannot believe I'm saying this, but....Squall. Oh god now I have to purify my computer! TBM
- I may be one of the minority but i actually liked squall, Tidus just annoyed me he just whined about everything and he doesn't stand a choice against lionheart. Oh, and squall is better by default as he wasn't a part of the dreaded fake laugh scene....Terra_Homing
- Judge Zarbi: Gunblade>Brotherhood. 'Nuff said.
- dudutsai: If they are going to make the main character say stupid stuff, at least have it be silent without a voice actor to make it worse.
- Jammi568: Squall. Better story and better game.
- Invisible.ink 03:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC) :I like FFX but Tidus is a loser. And Squall could kick his ass.
- Eirwen Not only was Squall the first FF protagonist I came across with, it's also like bringing a knife to a gunblade fight.
- Aleria Brunettes are better than blondes, any day. And at least Squall is actually real. Plus, he's a mercenary. What more can I say.
- AvaGirl10Roses: Wow. This'll be a landslide. Tidus sucks majorly. MAJORLY. And at least Squall is a cool main character... he looks sexy in Kingdom Hearts, too. :]
- Skoot85:He got slashed in the face and isn't some sorta memory/idunnoiforgot thing.
- RenzokukenXIV: Wow, this is really one sided.I mean, Squall is a trained mercenary, and is beyond sexy.And Tidus...plays Blitzball.Thats like saying Who would win in a fight, A person trained to kill,or Michael Jordan.
- ShadowLaguna: TIDUS SUCKS!!!!
- Blykus 06:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Mkaitlin: Squall would obviously win. And of course, Squall's better looking, as well. (;
Anonymous votes
- Squall, hands down.
- Squall is a trained warrior. Tidus is a trained.. Blitzball player. Need I say more?
- Squall WILL win! I've never really liked Tidus... plus a gunblade is one of the most famous weapons Square ever produced(alongside the buster sword)
- Squall is GACKT, despite Nomura denying, ppl can see the resemblance. Gackt owns Tidus.
- noob: Tidus has some awesome swords and attacks, but then his character's just not cool enough. Actually, Squall does have some cool attacks also. Anyways, Squall's character is a whole lot better then Tidus.
- Squall would destroy Tidus...trained Mercenary vs Whiney Waterpolo guy. Need I say more?
- Squall has the famous Gunblade...which just owns. Tidus is ok but hes not a very good warrior at all.
- I vote for the brunette. Squall may not have a voice actor during Final Fantasy VIII (The voice actor of Leon gives justice to the character though) but I'd rather not hear Squall talk rather than hear Tidus speak. His voice actor sucks.
- Squall is cool and collected, analyzing a battle to know how to win. Tidus blindly jumps in and is reckless. I choose the one who WILL win, not has a small chance to win.
- I vote for squall. I never played anything past 9 (except for revenant wings but thats another story) but squall, albeit a moody guy, kicks more ass than tidus.
- Squall wins with gunblade :)
- Renzokuken was awesome, Tidus had nothing on it
- Squall is BEYOND sexy and Tidus is just kind of there...
- Squall is very powerfull
- If you think about it Squall would clearly win. After all he has a sword and a gun in the same weapon. So if he starts getting low on health, he can start running and shooting. So there.
- Squall would win hands down, Tidus wasn't even a real person plus he played Blitzball. Squall would completely wipe the floor with him.
- SeKaLoYa: FFX is cool but VIII is still my favorite. It is arguably the only installment in the series to diverge from the traditional interface and battle system. Also, Squall's character had more room for development as the story progressed.
- Judge Zarbi: Gunblade>Brotherhood. 'Nuff said.
- Tidus is a little whiny retard. He needs to die! Squall, on the other hand, is really cool thought! D:
- Squall was trained professionally to be a fighter Tidus is an underwater soccer/basketball player who was just handed a a sword and told what to hit. Plus Squall was real, and supports a wicked cool scar.
- Squall all the way. He's cool, he's strong, and plus he took that hit and got a scar like a man! Tidus would cry like a little bitch if someone gave him a scar. Oh, and the Gunblade is AWESOME!
- Well, everythings pretty much been said already... And, brunettes beat blonds anytime...
- Squall was impaled by a huge ice shard. Mad props!
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Peanut Gallery
Otens: I've either seen this one before or expected it. I'm pretty sure I've expected it though.
- I don't seem to remember if this one happened, but I'm think it'll be a lot colser than it is now. People hate Tidus and FFX, but people aslo loathe FFVIII and Squall probably even more(Well, VIII more than X not Squall more than Tidus). --AnonyMan 04:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Otens: Though you have to admit, at least Squall has the advantage because he constantly was trained as a mercenary. I've still never understood why people never liked it though but I guess it was just a matter of opinion.
- Time out. I don't care who's name it is in question, but I've never seen a name debate so intense that it can overshadow a Final Fantasy character in terms of interest. Unless we're talking about Mystic Quest, otherwise, name debates are infinitely more boring. The recent Aeris-Aerith debate reminded me of that. Besides, seeing as how it only ever appears in text, who cares how it is pronounced? Drake Clawfang 05:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Otens:Indeed. I could just rename those characters to how I see fit anyway.
Is it Seh-cil, or See-cil? Aeris or Aerith? Tee-dus or Tie-dus? I've got a better question: who cares anymore? Drake Clawfang 05:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Otens: Square-Enix when they took away being able to rename characters [Insert sad-face.]
- VNTidus is neither Tee-dus or Tie-dus in Japanese version. His name was spelled Ti-da
- Ya Otens. I fear what could happen when Final Fantasy IV DS is released. For all we know, all this time Rydia was actually just a mistranslation of Lydia or something. And if Square Enix is gonna try and rename my two favorite FF babes, I am gonna blow a fuse. Retcons piss me off. Get the story straight the first time! Drake Clawfang 05:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- It's highly unlikely that Rydia will be Lydia in the DS version. If they changed it, they would in the Advance version. OtOcon^_- 05:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
My aren't they the most hated heroes ever? One whiner and one emo. All you care about is hot babes. Meh... anyhow, noble hero stereotypes are so yesterday. So I guess I don't mind their existence. When I play FFX I didn't see Tidus whining, any proof? In the he was the one who break the tradition that about sacrificing summoners to defeat Sin. VN
- That's not true, I care about much more than hot babes. But whenever I end up talking about Aeris or Rydia, my mine usually ends up there. As for the heroes, Squall was alright, and Leon in Kingdom Hearts kicked ass. Drake Clawfang 05:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Otens: People only called him a whiner because of Jecht an Auron. In the future I see a Final fantasy X Prequel! Let us hope not.
- Let us hope so! FFX had the second worst cast of the Final Fantasy ever, beaten only by FFVIII. If you get rid of Kimarhi, Wakka, Tidus, and Rikku, things would have been fine. I can live with trading Lulu for Jecht, who was a much cooler character then his son could ever be (and his outfit made sense). Really it would be like playing the whole game with just Yuna (Braska), Tidus (Jecht), and Auron (Auron), who were pretty much the only characters I used anyway. Not to mention that Auron would play an even larger role in this game, not pussy Tidus to take the spotlight. You just need a Black Mage girl to even it all out. Hmmm... Edea, perhaps? =) --BlueHighwind 11:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm just glad Jecht is playable in Dissidia and I can rain down punishment upon Tidus and everyone else with Jecht's AWESOME SWORD! Fingers crossed for Final Aeon Transformation mode!--Muchomas35 13:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Dissidia looks ok. I bet people are just aching for Cloud to be revealed so his vs Match with Squall is a reality, when it doesn't matter. Zidane could beat them both. --AnonyMan 15:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm having a game with Braska, Jecht and Auron isn't such a bad idea... better them than YRP right? =O I'm not rooting for FFX prequel but if they wanna do a story on Braska and his guardians better to an anime or movie on that. I sure would love to see it. But Jecht is still not your best example of a dad. Because of him his son is a whiner ;P --VN
- Yeah, Laguna's cooler and a much better father who's just a bad for not being around at all, not really his fault. If he was Sqaull would have been like the best FF Main character. --AnonyMan 15:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I am playing X right now and I have to admit that I actually like Tidus more than I thought I would. His voice is annoying but, along with Auron and Rikku, he does not come of as naive like the others do.(at least so far) X has actually been an overall pleasant surprise for me, I find it really fun to play, I like the cast, and I love the Aquatic theme of the game. However I find it hard to vote against Squall in this situation. My only experience with VIII is a demo, but for about 6 years Squall and Cloud were the only two FF protoganists I knew. So I can not hate the guy, plus he was badass in Chocobo Racing. If he continues to dominate though I just may have to give a pity for Tidus.--Oranejo 17:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Squall isn't in Chocobo Racing. That's an FFVII thing, and Cloud rides the Chocobo in the race. --BlueHighwind 19:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- I thought Cloud *was* the Chocobo in the race, or so my user quote says... Drake Clawfang 19:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- No, the actually game Chocobo Racing. I do not know what possesed me to get the game when I was younger (I think it came with a free Chocobo bank), but it was really fun.--Oranejo 19:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- Whiner or not, he's like a comic relief throughout the game. He makes me laugh (in a good way)--VN
- Tidus is just one of those characters with a really bad rap, mainly i think its because his voice acting is so high strung and irritating. but if you look at what he did, knowingly doing something when it would mean he wouldnt exist. he had heart, at least give him that. as i said in my vote, james arnold taylor shouldnt have had the part. if he was given a different voice and he used the same dialogue im pretty sure he wouldnt be anywhere near as annoying as he can be. Besides that, i always liked his narration throughout the game, gave it a real personal feel. but my vote still goes for squall because i understand why he acts the way he does and i connect with him more. Etch 3:04, 14 June 2008
- yeah I completely understand why Squall acts that way. And I kinda agree with him when he says "I don't want anyone to talk about me in past tense" --VN
Who deleted my vote? Cloudofdarkness 15:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- False alarm, I may of done it. Cloudofdarkness 15:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Etch, I agree with you 100%. It was the voice acting that was the problem. Even though I did vote for him, I still think I was being a little hard on poor ol' Tidus with my comments. He was generally a good guy. Rydiaofmist
- Strange I had no problem with his voice acting. James Arnold Taylor is pretty talented. --VN
Ya know how come we all seem to hate either the main character or the game itself. X was the first game I had played and it wasnt half bad. The only thing that I have against VIII was the graphics (the pixels are killing me!). We should really vote on what the best game was!.--User:Saraija Merinas
Am I seeing things, or did somebody up there call Squall a "butt"? Perhaps we've finally attracted that preschool market that all the wikis are dying for these days. And did that same guy praise Tidus for looking Asian? What's with the racist Japanese jingoism, man? Why would race even be a factor in how much you like a character? --BlueHighwind 22:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think they were talking about the fact he sorta looks asian(in cutscenes) making sense because he's a character designed by a Japanese game company. Still that shouldn't matter when concerning fictional characters. --AnonyMan 23:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- Otens: Besides, they were both drawn the same way by Amano, Feminine and with a dark attitude. Not complaining about it, but now that I think about it, he really doesn't draw many happy faces.
- East-Asian to be exact. In case you didn't learn, Asian does not only focus on Japanese or the likes. Anyways, I've always thought Tidus looks like a Japanese with bleached hair. Well, they had no choice but to use Japanese as motion actors anyway, that's why most characters look Japanese in spite of being blonde and rosy. Balthier is a different case, I heard his motion actor is western. Oh did I notice someone saying that Squall was based on Gackt? Nah, I heard Squall was based on some Japanese model.VN
- Yeah, I agree. I do not think Squall is based off of Gackt, Genesis is based off of Gackt. Also maybe the anon who listed Tidus looking Asian as a reason why he/she voted for him is because maybe that user is Asian. I did not really take it as a serious/main reason but rather an extra little incentive as to why he/she voted for him.--Oranejo 17:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, if that user is Asian, and they prefer Asians, wouldn't that make them a racist bastard? Round up the folk, boys, we need to get a lynch mob going. I suffer not racist bastards! --BlueHighwind 17:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not really, maybe Tidus just got points in their book for being similar to them.--Oranejo 19:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- Judging a person to be superior to another based upon race is racism. That's how it works. --BlueHighwind 19:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- You seem to be taking this too seriously. I do not recall the user saying Squall was an inferior being, or if a character who looks like they are Asian is superior. The user simply could have saw a little bit of themselves in Tidus, or maybe they think they look like Tidus. The user called Squall a butt for crying out loud, how serious do you think they really were?--Oranejo 20:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
ChaosEsperVII: Someone said that Squall is the most powerfull FF main character. Sorry, that title belongs to Cloud. Cloud has Omnislash. And he is a Sephiroth clone. I think SquareEnix makes it a point to keep him their most powerful hero. The 7th Chaos Esper forever has Cloud's back. Or Vincent could be the strongest main, even though Choas left him, he's still immortal because of Hojo's experiments. The 7th Chaos Esper forever has Vincent's back too.
- Plot-wise those guys aren't the most powerful, just in their universe. Cloud's not the strongest Main either. Seriously, Zidane would manhandle his reject ass and Ultimecia would bitchslap Sephiroth acorss the space-time compressed continuum. I do agree about Squall not being that great, he's trained yes, but he's not really special. Gameplay-wise Renzokuken is overrated and not as good as Duel. --AnonyMan 13:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- Bartz235We can settle all this in Dissidia, right? Can't Wait, but I agree with AnoyMan.
- Sephiroth would totally END Ultimecia! A bad Edea stand-in couldn't beat Final Fantasy's greatest child!!! If Squall his idiots could do it, Sephiroth can do it and with style. --BlueHighwind 02:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- FF's greatest child. Zidane? Squall and his group got lucky to be able to get to her. Super powerful Sorcery+Time Compression>Sephiroth, and he got beat by a bunch of idiots and Cloud(like 3 times). Sucky is just an overhyped crappy villian who didn't learn. --AnonyMan 02:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Anonyman, don't take this the wrong way, but huh? WTF? Ultimecia compresses time! Hooray! It's just her and Sephiroth stuck together forever. How many times do you reckon he'll kill her before he gets bored? When it's down to a sorcereress git and the best video game villain ever (Joker is still the best villain period) with a gigantic sword, Ultimecia (that's her name right? She wasn't around long enough for me to catch it)is going to get her Edea-wannabee ass impaled. Cheers. --User:Slighter
- Technically, with TC Suckaroth wouldn't exist to do anything. And Ganondorf is a cooler gaint sword wielding videogame villain. --AnonyMan 15:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Umm, Sephiroth would rape any game villain on any given day. Why? Because we don't know the extent of his/Jenova's powers. Did you see him fight Genesis and Angeal on top of the mako cannon in the simulation? Thats just him practicing. No fake villain Edea wannabe is going to beat him. And I bet SquareEnix will keep his power above everyone else because he's their villain mascot. Until another sequel comes out that reveals the extent of Jenova's power, then we won't know the extent of Sephiroth's abilities. Which brings The 7th Chaos Esper to his next point. The only reason Cloud keeps beating Sephiroth is because a) Sephiroth is arrogant and b) Cloud's willpower. Sephiroth gained control of Jenova because his will exceeded Jenova's instinct. Theoretically, since Cloud too possesses Jenova cell's if he exerts his will in a greater magnitude than Sephiroth's (which he has) then Cloud can tap into Jenova's power to a point where he can surpass Sephiroth in power. Therefore, it is quite possible that Cloud's will allows him to equal Sephiroth in terms of power up to a point. This point is where Sephiroth ceases to be arrogant and invoke the full scope of his power, since he was injected with Jenova cells at birth, he inherently possess more power than Cloud based on the factor that Sephiroth's Jenova cells have spent a longer time in his body. So if Sephiroth's present power>Zidane, then Cloud>Zidane. Oh yeah maybe I mentioned it before but CLOUD HAS OMNISLASH. IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THAT... Screw omnislash version 5 bull crap. If you pit Cloud versus any main Character, his omnislash would destroy all of them, plain and simple. Also, Vincent has the power of a freaking weapon so his power>Zidane. But you all will probably disregard the words of The 7th Chaos Esper because people base their hatred for the two characters because apparently they're "emo". When you can give me a better reason for disliking the characters then I may reconsider my position. I ask this question: Are their anymore FFVII fans to hear my calls, or are we a dying breed? And yes BlueHighwind, that user is racist, hahaha. THE 7TH CHAOS ESPER HAS SPOKEN! (Unleashes special attack) ChaosEsperVII 2:48 PM June, 18 2008
- Way to overestimate Sephiroth yes, devs pander to fans, there's plenty of game vilains who could stomp him(like...Ultimecia) Everyone underestimates Zidane. He's got Main character Iron willpower too, except he IS better than his destruciton bringer villain(who's definitely no slouch). He just never had a lame over-the-top showing. YWith Omnislashou can't really compare gameplay aspects and systems. Duel is still better,though. --AnonyMan 19:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not overestimating Sephiroth or Cloud. It's a fact that we don't know the full capabilities that Sephiroth possesses. And if Ultimecia can be beaten by 4 SeeDs, a gunman, and a rebel sorceress, you can bet that Sephiroth would destroy her. FF7's cast would rape any other FF cast in a fight anyday. Even the normal humans in the FF7 cast have tremendous power. And I'm not underplaying Zidane's power, he's strong as hell, but Cloud, well Cloud freaking knocked Bahamut to floor. Need The 7th Chaos Esper say more? ChaosEsperVII 6:31 PM June, 18 2008
- Sephiroth got beat by a Grunt, a bar hostess, a one armed man, a dead girl and 4 creeps; just as unimpressive as VIII's lot, what's your point? So far none of Sephiroth's was no way near as much a threat as Utimecia was, so he must be God already. Since no other FF had a weird anime-style movie/sequels people think it's impossible 7's characters can be beat. Just beause other FF's casts didn't have as pretty of showingS doesn't mean their not stong as hell. To say 7's cast is the strongest is ridiculous. --AnonyMan 22:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- FFVII's party was far superior to FFVIII's. Materia actually works, compared to how fucking broken Junctioning is. On a character to character basis: Aeris beats Rinoa. Barret beats Zell. Cloud beats Squall. Vincent beats Irvine. Yuffie beats Selphie (but barely). And Cid Highwind beats Quintus. Tifa just beats them all to Hell. Cait Sith is a piece of garbage. However, Sephiroth just destroys Ultimecia. He has a personality. And is really really badass. Maybe he would have trouble with Edea, but not Ultimecia. No competition. --BlueHighwind 23:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Link pwns all of them. Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Zidane, all of them fall to Link's badassitude. OtOcon^_- 23:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- And stop fucking editing your comments so many fucking times. I would like to answer for once without an Edit Conflict. --23:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- VIII's mechanics aren't THAT much more broken and abusable than VII's. Aside from two genetic experiments, the rest of VII's cast isn't great. Rinoa would slaughter Aeris(or she could), and Zell would murder the rest(and he's plucky comic relief/badass). Sephiroth is as badass as diarrhea. Also, how the hell would Edea be more of a threat than Ultimecia, when she was no way near as strong after she lost control of her? --AnonyMan 23:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Its called just being better. In every way. FFVII wins, FFVIII loses. --BlueHighwind 23:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- ...Right, gotcha...well, I disagree with that, but that's fine. And when did "More Story=Stronger villain"? Or is that still the whole VII>VIII thing? --AnonyMan 23:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Look each character is really good in their own right, but you can't deny the FF7 cast's power. The bar is set so high compared to the other games. Materia destroys junctioning anyday cuz you can use all the magic you want and just worry about MP when with junction, using magic makes the power of your character weaker. Rinoa beats Aeris? Aeris is the will of the planet. Seriously, how could she lose to a sorceress when she wields the might of billions of souls and the combined strength of the planet's magic? I admit Zell is really powerful (Armageddon Fist is the best limit combo, and he's my fav FF8 character, dont ask why I like the chicken wuss) but Barret would turn him to swiss cheese. He has gun-arm. What is not to like? Vincent, as I said before wields the power of a weapon plus more. Tifa is Tifa. She took a freaking Masamune swipe to the chest, enough said. Plus RedXIII would maul the hell out of people. Yuffie will do something useful. Cid would shit talk his foe into oblivion "Shut up and drink you're goddam tea. Or ain't my hospitality good enough for ya?" Sigh why wasnt he the same cursing SOB in the movie. Cid was way better comic relief than Zell. Plus Zell caused more problems than he solved. He's too hot headed. Cids hot headed but he's still cool about it. He's the jack of all trades. Cait Sith can overwhelm his opponents with a seemingly endless army of stuff toys. Really FF7's lot is as impressive as a bunch of kid students? FFAC doesn't account for much so I won't refer to it. If anything the movie did more harm to the game's reputation than good. But when it comes down to it: Cloud, Vincent, and Tifa with the materia system was the most broken team I ever built. I can compare Squall, Rinoa, and Zell to that team and they would get shredded. I can compare other FF teams and they would just die. Oh and I forgot to mention Sephiroth. This entire time he's been holding back plus he's continually thwarted by Aeris. He has better personality. Honestly they should put Edea in Dissidia, oh well. Ultimecia was the wrong decision for FF8. If I had to face a silver haired roxxor king, who can fight with one hand and not tire, with a sword that can only be wielded by himself (plus the guy has extraordinary abilities and magic usage even before he became a megalomaniac), andd he's actually controlling a shapeshifting alien from the dead (technically he is dead), versus a cliche witch (her character design was so bad, with accent and the weird haircut and flamboyant outfit, at least Edea had something gangster to wear) who is basically a reflection of myself (she had the same abilities as the characters: GF, Magic, Draw), I would think I'd stance a better chance against the Wicked Witch of the West than the Roxxor-King. Or perhaps we should bring this discussion into an actual fight: Sephiroth vs. Ultimecia, which would be one-sided, and FF7 cast vs. FF8, again one-sided. The 7th Chaos Esper must go to sleep.ChaosEsperVII 1:45 AM June, 19 2008
- Bartz235 SHUT UP ALREADY FFVII FANBOY!!! GEEZ....it's just a game, you too Anonyman, forget it.
- Thank you Bartz, I quite right needed that. Though it be harsh, The 7th Chaos Esper needs a wake up call every once in a while. ChaosEsperVII 9:57 AM June, 19 2008
- Well, Bartz, when you're right, you're right. --AnonyMan 15:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Bartz235: No problem, though it was pretty harsh. :( Sorry.
- No need for apologies. Lets just spread the love.... or not? ChaosEsperVII 3:26 PM June, 19 2008
Can't we just throw in the towel for Tidus already?! He's losing in the most lopsided fight I have seen in the DNC. Squall is just beating the blitzballer like a government mule! --Tex
Yumiko: Why does everyone hate Tidus? His voice actor for the english version wasn't that bad. I thought that FFX was one of the most beloved games of all time. I mean like a few years ago VII, VIII, and X were like being worshiped. I guess people in the US are kinda shallow...
- User:Bartz235 Kinda shallow? We are shallow. Haha, we should just end this TA. This is the biggest loss I've ever seen and he lost to SQUALL!
- Aleria I don't hate Tidus, I just like Squall. There's a difference ;)
- I like how you didn't mention IX, and it's true, no one worshipped it. Not alot of people speak out for or against it. I guess US is pretty shallow. --AnonyMan 15:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Please, maybe years ago IX was ignored but in the present day IX has a lot of fans, especially within the Final Fantasy fanbase. It did not make a big splash in the gaming world that is why it was/is not talked about as much as the others. --Oranejo 19:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- It probably has more fans now and looks like a lot, but we're all just loud, some more than others about it. IX is still a little more than a speck in the Series compared to others, I'm not complaining sucks for those who lets its awesomeness go over their heads. --AnonyMan 20:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are there 3 user votes in the anonymous section? --ChiefKakashi 22:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm guessing that they really really want half their vote to count. I'm not going to fix it. --BlueHighwind 22:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- I wrote mine under the Votes for Squall section, but it ended up there. It doesn't seem like I was the only it did that to. Maybe after fifty votes, it bugs a little? Hell if I know. Anyhow, I went ahead and fixed it. --Blykus 06:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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