Final Fantasy Wiki:Dragon's Neck Colosseum

Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section may be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 72: Freya v. Fran

File:Freya Crescent character.jpg		Winner!! undecided		File:Fran.jpg
Battle of the anthropomorphic allies. There are plenty of long, wordy explainations that I might used to describe this fight, but it boils down to this; ratty poke-poke or bunny bow-bow ?
Votes for Freya Drake Clawfang - Because I know who she is. Fran, not so much. Faethin: Freya is the second best dragoon evar. Darkling692: Fran may look hotter but Freya has tons of personality and that's Fran's weak point Otens: My favorite dragoon and a favorite in Final fantasy IX. I like Fran, but Freya actually is limited so you know her potential. Blykus 23:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Oranejo: I choose ratty poke-poke, even though I prefer rabbits to rats. N/A 02:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC) AnonyMan: Freya's another great character(also from IX) and generally cool. Fun to use gameplay-wise. And who didn't think the little dance ritual in Cleyra wasn't awesome? Fran is...not bad, she's quite simliar to Freya character-wise but other than a couple of scenes she's much more boring, the most boring of XII's Main bunch. Freya may not be as "easy on the eyes" as Fran to some but she doesn't look as dumb. Lockhart: Freya is one my favorite characters in the entire series. Plus she has one of the best theme songs. Go Freya! Andre666: Freya is pretty damn awesome and IX > XII any day. dudutsai: Fran definitely does not deserve to win. LinkSlySora: I find Freya to overall be better then Fran. Dragoons are awesome, and Freya has special abilities that are useful, and aren't considered magic. I also think IX is better then XII. Adam mcduck:Freya is a great character who I actually found useful, Fran was an OK-ish character but I found her useless in battle. Otherarrow: Better character from a better game. Chocobo Knight: Because three FFIX guys in a row would be awesome. Actually seriously, I like them both, but Freya slightly more...because of the whole Dragoon thing 8bit_BlackMage: I really wish I had the time to start another FFIX save file and play through with Freya, but oh well, real life. :) I like Burmecia's theme song too, and Dragoons as a whole are cool. Hyacynth Freya is hands down one of my favorite FF female characters ever, right below Celes. I wanted to like Fran, I really did, but I found her mostly devoid of personality. I guess that passes for "mysterious" but I'll take the river dancin', javelin' throwin', DRAGON'S CREST-usin' rat over the bunny in lingerie any day. User:Leiber_Mage: Currently replaying FFIX for the fourth time (can't say that about XII though) And I've loved Freya ever since the first playthrough. I find her a very useful character in battle if you develop them all equally, and her story of love and loss is memorable. Who cares if she's a rat? I liked Fran and did have her in my party even more than Balthier, but Freya shall always be one of my main gals, simply because of her spear, Sir Fratley and the times Jump has saved my ass. "To be forgotten is worse than death" ShadowLaguna: To forget this badass dragoon is worse than death! User:Clvabl: Rock on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Rojo: I think Freya was a better character than Fran, although at the end she was more like a secondary character but Fran was so lack of personality. Freya was also a great dragoon and very useful. BluSil: Even though she did become more of a secondary character after disc 1, the story she had was deep and added a better depth to the character and FFIX overall, i could play 12 without fran but 9 without Freya wouldn't feel right. Skoot85: I think Freya is cooler even though i hated FFIX because of gameplay. It had some of the best characters and one of the if not the best storylines. Freya is a better character. I hate Fran. OtOcon^_- 02:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC) NickCaligo42: I'm never going to vote for an FFXII character. Especially not a piece of cheesecake they use to sell the game to sweaty-palmed fanboys who don't have so much a good grasp of storytelling as they do their joysticks. Dancing Daggers: FFXII as a game was OK, but the characters as characters go were just annoying. And for the love of Kefka what the HELL is up with Fran's voice?! I'm going for the one who doesn't freak out at Mist. Incidently, what the hell was the Mist for in XII. At least it had a purpose in IX. Finally, I appreciate that Fran may be "Hotter", but you guys know that a) she's just a bunch of fancy polygons, b) she's not real, and c) get real partners (gender dependant on sexual orientation). Rydiaofmist: I like them both about equally, so I'm just gonna go with Freya because she's losing. CidTheFirst: Has it not chanced upon all those voting for Fran that she has no real character? She left home and met Balthier; end. Freya is a roaming dragoon knight who abandonned her kingdom to seek out her lost love, who, when found, has lost all memory of her. She is just the better character. Saraija Merinas: I didnt know when I sugguested this it would be this close. Pokey-Pokey!! Yumino Chocolancer 22:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC): I was playing Final Fantasy XII one day as Fran alone when a friend dropped by and saw me play. She asked me how she could run on those high-heels, which explains why I vote for Freya... Anonymous votes IndridCold: Freya(Freja, vatever) is uber much kooler, Fran doesn't seem to have much of a personality... AlexY: Freya is much more developed than Fran. And she is a much more tragic character than Fran as well. Don't get me wrong, I love Fran as well, but Freya has that "special something". She wins with her charm, not with her looks (and that's always better :P ). Freya is hot!!! I mean just look at her!! Jking, but no Freya>>>>>>>>>>>Fran. Also IX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XII. TA go with Garnet vs Ashe, next. DO IT!!!!! Or put some IV characters and VI characters in fights, please!!!!!! Also to Brain vote #7, Fran and Balthier may have made XII, I won't argue with that, but look at XII. It's a pile of crap. Shes my favourite dragoon, i like fran as well there both 2 of my favourite characters, but i dont think Freya deserves to lose by as much as she is, im hoping for a tie lol to be forgotten is worse than death Rainacide - Freya, FTW. One of the more interesting dragoons in FF & plus she's a female. That's pimp. Freya's kinda cool. Has a bit of story and personality to her. Cool attacks, spear. Etcetera. Fran might be better looking, but Freya's just better.			Votes for Fran BlueHighwind: Dragoon or not, Fran is stronger, and better looking. Rats are ugly. If Balthier sees her fit to make his #1 Bitch, then certainly then I have no reason to question. Shariii Freya makes my eyes cry.. Seriously, I dont like female characters in games as it is.. but by jeeves.. Plus Fran kicked some ass when she went psycho. Vito: Fran. Acropolis: Love the accent. Fran was actually a pretty interesting character, filled with Viera mystique. She also handled herself pretty well in battle and I love the scene when she freaks out. Not to mention the fact that Vieras are genetically designed to weal stilettos based on the structural makeup of their feet. (True Story) I never really cared for Freya much. I don't care if she is a dragoon, she's ugly and I just can't do ugly.--High Summoner 00:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Heliosis: Definitely Fran. The Viera kicks ass! Fran's gorgeous, deadly, and intelligent. Tex: Fran, hands down. Big mamou: Mist God-Mode beats Trance. Fran has the best quotes of the series -Henryacores 01:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Mateus_the_Corrupt: When it comes to FFXII characters, I should voted for Fran, she's hotter than the Sun or Lola Bunny. Drake:I never like Freya (last boss I fought with her was that ARK thing, because I had to. That was the only boss of Disc 3 that I fought using her, actually) and I love Fran's voice. :) HexedTourney Jammi568: Ditto BH. Both here and the comments section. AkwardNinja: Rats smell..... Leon5550:Fran kicks ass and shes THE strongest female character in FF12(storywise) and she's frikin hot 2 Blackheart1991: Fran is cool and she is more important to the story. Aleria: Cloudofdarkness says: Fran wins, easily I just think rabbits are cuter. But Fran is like a sexy hare, which is even better than a bunny. --Muchomas35 13:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Maverick King:Playboy bunny? Maverick Riot:Fran has the image. I liked Freya, but I just had a feeling that once she'd done her little bit in the game, they kind of dumped her and left her to be a background character. Even Quina got little moments here and there. But Freya? Not a lot. Plus Fran looks good. But it is a tough one... I've just always been angry they didn't give Freya enough story, else I probably would have been more torn... TheRedMagus: Fran was one of the few characters I liked in XII. I didn't like Freya so much, she faded into the background. Dark raven: Oh yes. Pikmin Master: Fran has versatility, both gameplay-wise and image-wise. Plus, if I had FFXII, I would use Fran all the time. I never really liked Freya and Fran is the only non-Hume playable character of FFXII. Actiondan: Fran's the man Mjka: Fran is just cool like that. SCM: :) UM: Fran. *sigh* Just listen to her say 'Oubliette'. ChaosEsperVII: The 7th Chaos Esper does agree with BlueHighwind. Plus Fran was The 7th Chaos Esper's most favored character in XII because of her wisdom (she knew freaking everything about everything), her mystique, and she was my most powerful character. Plus well she's eye candy and The 7th Chaos Esper is not too crazy about FFIX. Also when she freaked out from the nethicite she earned a place among The 7th Chaos Esper's legion of bad-asses. Harlequin..: Fran all the way. Fran and Balthier were my favorite characters in FFXII. She's also one of the coolest characters out of all the FF games in my opinion. Zero (0): Bunny Bow-bow! Etch: cant say i liked either character that much but fran's the more chill of the 2. i mean, a rat, come on! besides vivi (for various reasons), most of the other main characters in ff9 make you feel like you're travelling with a band of misfits or something. you got a horny monkey boy, a rat, a little annoying girl with a horn on her head, a real joke of a monk, and whatever the hell quina is (he/she's the worst by far). the only other character that i would say is normal is garnet. so my vote goes to fran, balthier and basch who make ff12. Vanishing Star: I love Freya, she was one of my favorites and I can relate to her quote, "To be forgotten is worse than death." But, I'd have to choose Fran on this one. She's just overall cooler. Their personalities are just about the same, but, Fran shines through. She made FFXII great, along with Balthier and Ashe for me. AvaGirl: Fran, definitely, because she's a Viera, she's got a great accent, and she's with Balthier. Besides, she has some pretty sweet Quickenings. Sora G. Strife No explanation. Southgale WEll I know who Fran is and she is like OMFGSH (oh my !@#$ing god she's hot) and not everyone can us a bow and look as good as she dose. That and I think more people like bunnies than rats based on bunnies are so much cuter than rats anyday. ChiefKakashi 17:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Yamiza Hmm, I know Fran better, and she's got a good design, so my vote goes for her. XXXI Harakon Fran is great. Her Quickenings are really effective and i used her all the way. Freya is not cool enough to get my vote. Fran owns. Also, if Fran has a gun, she is super-good. Gyromite: Freya is alright, but Fran is just awesome. She is the best FF female character behind Rikku, plus on the Leviathan, she went crazy and killed 3 Imperials in 5 seconds! Id like to see someone tell me that wasnt awesome. Anonymous votes Definitely Fran. She's incredibly witty, hot, and downright AWESOME. Her wrath is also one thing you would NOT want to incur. I personally Don't like FF9, besides, what's so memorable about Freya?....At least Fran went berserk... Freya is not viera :-P She's just too pretty and has such a great voice. ^^ Though choise for me :p but Fran looks like playboy bunny :) noob: Fran's a lot hotter! Brian: Fran and Balthier MADE FF12. Fran for sure. That walk. That body. Those ears!!! She's got legs that don't stop. Fran's a better fighter, better looking, etc.
Peanut Gallery I'm having a difficult time choosing who to vote for. On the one hand, Freya is a badass Dragon. On the other, Fran is a sexy Viera. Freya is a rat creature, and certainly hidious. And she's not to good in battle (Stiener and Zidane are both finer physical attackers). Yet Fran has no special ability, though she was tough as nails with the Formuhault. And Fran hangs with Balthier. And FFXII beats FFIX any day. I think I know who to vote for now. --BlueHighwind 21:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC) I'm guessing Freya takes the win in the ontest of who's the more popular Anthropomorphic animal female animal character who's name begins with "Fr". Fran's appearance is a bit ridiculous and Viera already look ridiculous too. Are were going for three in a row with FFIX characters? That'd be great --AnonyMan 22:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Let's not have any FFIX characters for a while after this. --BlueHighwind 22:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Awww, I was going to request a Rat Kid one after this xP. -Otens I'm feeling Ashe v. Garnet next, or shall I have mercy. --TacticAngel 23:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Mercy, I'm tired of the IX characters too. And there's plenty of other good suggestions. Drake Clawfang 23:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Hopefully not another repeat match. I can't remember, has Cecil versus Ramza taken place? -Otens Once again, many vote blindly for the hot one. Is anyone surprised by this? Drake Clawfang 14:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Nope, that's like the only thing she has over Freya. Even though her race isn't really ugly they don't have as many human features as Viera do, if Bermecians were all women then maybe they would. I didn't expect her to start trailing like this. Not against Fran at least. Also, Freya and Trance>>>Fran's berserker event that happened once. AnonyMan 14:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC) I personally count more than half a dozen votes voting for Fran because she's hot. I mean, come on, you can vote for a character who happens to be hot, but don't vote for a character just because she's hot. Drake Clawfang 15:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Seriously, it's not like this was a "Vote for who you think looks hotter". Oh, well can't do much about that. It's sucks Freya's getting treated like this so far. She's done better against better and more popular characters.AnonyMan 15:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Voting for characters based on appearance may not be the best reason, but I have seen some votes in other fights that have not exactly had stellar reasoning behind them either. I voted for Freya, but you have to admit she does sort of fade into the background as the game goes on, like TheRedMagus said.--Oranejo 17:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC) I agree with that. Freya(as well as a few others) fade as the game goes on, but so does Fran except worse. Esepcailly so given XII's focus on it's Story than characters.AnonyMan 21:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Is is really so bad to have a game with a real plot? Really, FFXII was a step in the right direction for this series. No more lame hijinks and buffoonery like in FFX. You really FFX? The whole plot was just a party of dim-witted fools (except Auron) walking forward for about thirty hours, then you go to Sin, and walk forward for another two. Yawn. War, politics, and historical dramas are much more interesting. It had characters I could really sink my teeth into and sympathsize with. --BlueHighwind 21:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC) I'm not badmouthing XII's plot, it was cool change. I do think it could have been better, considering how cool the begining was, after that it's just dull and drawn out alot of the time. All I was saying is when you're dull in a game not concentrating on said dull character(s) there's something wrong. And don't get me started on FFX.AnonyMan 22:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC) No, really, you should all go fuck yourselves you disgusting perverts. --Alcaeus Why Alcaeus? Because your all saying that a Rabbit-woman, as in half Rabbit half human, is hot. That is disgusting and boarding on Zoophilia.Cheesewow 07:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC) If Balthier has no problem with it, then neither do I. Are you going to question The Man? Are you? --BlueHighwind 14:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC) Balthier doesn't have a problem with it because he purposely picked a her as his partner becuase she's boring, so he'd get noticed more. --AnonyMan 00:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC) She wasn't boring. Penelo was boring. Vaan was boring. "I want to be a Sky Pirate" - that's fucking boring. Fran was an interesting character. A person lost between a Hume society that sees her as alien and a xenophobic Viera society that conisiders her a traitor. Her relationship with Balthier was also worth examining. Professional, yet there's... something more. Scully and Mulder, if you will. --BlueHighwind 00:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC) She has a bit of sotry around her she's still a dull character. Vaan has a good personality, you make it sound like he's a drab stoic or something, he's just ineffectual in the grand scheme really which is how he was designed. You got me on Penelo she has a decent persoanlity and her realtionship with Vaan is entertaining but that's all she has, she makes Vaan look a important by comparison. --AnonyMan 00:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Vaan's personality is about as far from "good" as you could ever get. Its offensively stupid and naive, with just a touch of pointless. --BlueHighwind 00:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC) That's also apart of his connection of being the perspective character, going out into the world which he knows almost nothing about he's not that dumb, ignorant yes, but he's not mentally retarded. He's cheeferful and someone you could hang out, with he's like Vyse from Skies of Arcadia just without the significant impact. I'm glad he's there since he's my favorite character and wouldn't have played XII if he weren't. --AnonyMan 01:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC) VAAN IS YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER??!!!! My God, man!! My God! You relate to that character? You understand him? You see some of yourself inside him? I don't understand you. Vaan either really stupid, and I mean really stupid. You know, how Penelo practically forces herself on him, but yet he doesn't even realize she likes him. Or maybe he does notice, only he doesn't care for her and lets her continue chasing him just for the sick pleasure. Either way there is nothing to like in Vaan's character. Cheeful, maybe. But Balthier did a better job of keeping the game's storyline from taking itself too seriously. Vaan is the Jar Jar of FFXII. --BlueHighwind 01:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Uh, yes. Part of my personality I see in him, that's why he's my favorite character. He's also cool. He cares enough about Penelo to go and save her, and go along with everyone else almost solely on her decision to do so, not all friendships between male/females have to have romance in it. Balthier just has a bunch of overhyped lines people drool over play out terribly for some reason. He's cool but jeez, people need to shut the hell up like he's that amazing. Sad to say as well, I don't hate Jar Jar like most people, he's not my favorite SW character but I don't have a seething loathing for him like just about everyone else. --AnonyMan 01:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC) You say that Fran is less relevant to the game than Vaan? The only relevant thing Vaan has is his dead brother Reks. Vaan story is completely dry: "I want to be a Sky Pirate and my Brother is dead, I hate Archadia". BH states it that Fran has to deal with society, plus has a unique relationship with the leading man, whose significance to FFXII is not overrated. Balthier has a story: "A freaking sky pirate actually taking the fight against an army". He steals the show from Ashe, who I thought would have a more central role, and he steals the show from Basch. Balthier is far from overrated. Also let us not forget that Fran is the source of wisdom in the group, she know the story behind everything. The 7th Chaos Esper ends his tantrum. --ChaosEsperVII You misunderstand me. I never said anything about Fran's(or Balthier's) relvance to the story. Though she is just Balthier's sidekick like Penelo is Vaan's, and you're overestimating, I think she's among the half of characters who didn't matter as much in the general plot. I'm saying she wasn't very interesting personlity-wise and I never found Balthier to be that captivating, I don't think he stole the show and is just as interesting as Basch or Ashe(should have I hate her). I know Vaan's story "dries" up when Basch shows up though he does give Ashe(who is undoubtedly more important than he is)some moral direction. He also more or less got over his brother's murder around that time too, which is cool havinging it kept inside and swell up and alter his persoanlity. --AnonyMan 13:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Even so, Fran is necessary to the game because she adds "flavor". What I mean by that is that she enriches the FFXII world. She shows us what it's like to feel like both outcast and outsider to two different worlds: Hume and Viera. She shows us Viera familial relationship. She reveals to us her knowledge of Mist, Espers, and the history of Ivalice, which I think is quite substantial to the games plot. Also, because she may seem like Balthier's Chewbacca does not make her less important to the story. In fact, FFXII is alot like the original Star Wars trilogy, except told through the eyes of Han Solo. Fran may not contribute too much to the plot, but she brings alot to the entire game and its world as a whole. In summary, The 7th Chaos Esper says, "Fran matters." --ChaosEsperVII 12:11, 8 June 2008 I'm not arguing any validitiy to Fran's significane and role(which isn't all that fleshed out). She's an old walking encyclopedia, I know, only thing I'm saying is she is still rather lacking personality. Just Being enlightened doesn't make one either. Basch doesn't talk much either but he's not as dull. Which Final Fantasy XII were you playing? It's not told through the "Han", that's why Vaan's there it's told through his eyes, hence the he's Main perspective character. Don't let's Balthier's ego get to you, it funny though. --AnonyMan 16:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC) The game may be told by Vaan's perspective but Balthier wields the reins. Vaan's just a backseat charlie. It's not that Balthier's ego gets to me, he has the right to say he's the leading man, because he does keep the story moving. Back to Fran, you can't say much about her personality because that's who she is. You can't just say they should have made her personality better because then you change her character. She's not there to be the star, that's Balthier's role (and he'll let you know that every chance he gets), she's there to offer insight and wisdom and to be hot. The 7th Chaos Esper decrees you a mighty opponent indeed. --ChaosEsperVII 15:42, 8 June 2008 Exactly, Vaan's a "Main" yet backseat character, he has no real Big Impact on the story but it's his point of view, that's how they wanted it. Fran's biggest angle is being "mysetrious", you can be mysterious and show some emotion I don't think she'd be any different since most of her lines were divulging information of something important. Just because you're not as big a mouth as your partner doesn't mean you barely have to show you exist, look at Penelo, she DFINEITELY doesn't do much, but she stands out at least even being Vaan's "partner". It's questionable about the "hot" thing viera look more wierd than anything, IMO. The AnonyMan does repesct you. --AnonyMan 20:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC) I laughed at one User's comment about Fran being the only Non-human Main like it's a big deal. FFIX's cast barely has any humans in it and is cooler most other games. And it's hard to call those you might consider "human". Then that just may be because of the whismical deisgn of the game.AnonyMan 23:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Anon Voter #9 for Fran - No she doesn't, I can see the end of her legs quite clearly. You should look harder. Drake Clawfang 22:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC) I agree with alot of what Chaos is saying except for one thing: i'd say what steals the show in ffxii are the relationships between balthier and his dad, and basch and gabranth. maybe i need to read a little closer but nobody ever seems to mention the relationship that basch had with his brother. basch is kinda to me what vaan is to anonyman (as fucking stupid as that is). id say hes considered an outcast even more so than fran because the fact that everyone thought he killed the king and took it so far that they wanted him dead. im gonna go out on a limb and say that the story should have been told through his eyes, as they originally planned it, or balthiers eyes as a close second. either perspective would have easily outperformed vaan. square's biggest mistake in that game was making vaan the main perspective. vaan should've just been somebody they came across that decides to follow them because he wants to be a sky pirate. thats my two cents. Etch 13:36, 8 June 2008 I agree with you there, although I do like the idea of being the Main character and not be all the focus. They should have stuck with their original decision to make Basch the Main character instead of shoehorn Vaan in to appease certain demographics. Basch is pretty cool it would have worked. As long as he's still part of the cast, would have been fine. --AnonyMan 17:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC) I agree with Etch. I forgot about Basch and his brother. It is a main driving point in the story. Also, Balthier and his pops does come later but it is important. The 7th Chaos Esper appreciates your reasoning. I like Square Enix usage of Vaan as a main character but not the focus, however, I dislike Vaan as a character. They should have used Shia LaBeouf. The 7th Chaos Esper laughs at his own jests.ChaosEsperVII 20:00, 8 June 2008 Yumiko:I like them both so im not going to vote. Anyways I got the english version of XII finally and I just want to say "omg whats wrong with Balthier's voice" Its like so thick. I personally like his japanese seiyu better. I agree with BlueHighwind (way back up top) I looked through all of the old 'fights' and most had FF IX characters. though i think the problem is most (like me) stsrted playing Final Fantasy with FFVII so as a result we dont know much about the past games. Plus there IS a reason Fran walks around with skimpy armour and heels. Its all for the guys. Oh well!-Saraija Merinas 15:55 6-9-08 This is probably the part in which I incur the wrath of everyone, but I am glad that Vaan was the main character. Before you begin lobbing hand grenades and torches, hear me out. Rabanastre is a huge city, comprised mostly of two socio-economic classes, the wealthy citizens and the poor low-towners. Vaan is nothing more than a pathetic street urchin with illusions of grandeur. He wants to be a sky pirate, but will never achieve his dream. He is poor and ignorant and does not have the knowledge to be able to make something of himself. In comes Balthier (my favorite character) and the rest of the crew. Do they need him? Absolutely not. They all have their own agendas, their own sense of worth and importance to the story. The ties that connect each of them together are very delicate. There were many times while playing the game where I thought it almost unbelievable that this group of characters banded together. Granted, they come in pairs, (Balthier/Fran, Ashe/Basch, Vaan/Penelo) but to me, each couple could just separate from the rest at any time. What makes Vaan important is he is a nobody, but for some reason, is allowed to tag along with the rest of the group despite his ridiculous blunders (remember when he inquired Fran about her age?), they teach him, indirectly of course, how to manage himself in the world. Like many people from low socio-economic backgrounds, he doesn't know how to act in different situations. (Think of the person at a fine dining restaurant who eats with their hands and doesn't know which fork to use) Ultimately, as they teach Vaan about the world, they teach us, the player, about their universe and it may be this ignorance that keeps the delicate tie from snapping.Also, if the main character were anyone but Vaan, it would be ridiculous that we didn't know their complete histories. If, for the sake of argument, we played as Basch, we must know from the beginning that it was actually his brother that killed the king. If we were not privy to this information, then I would feel personally let down and perhaps cheated. You can't see the world through the eyes of a character without being informed of major life incidents. On the same chord, if Zidane knew that he was the Angel of Death, he would be an unsuitable main character. It is due to the fact that he has no recollection, that he is able to function as our number one. And finally, sometimes it is necessary to have a main character that is ignorant, so that the lessons the other characters have to offer are more meaningful. If Vaan were more knowledgeable, there would be no point to teach him the ways of the world.Lastly, every character is given personality. One does not need to be loud and boisterous to be considered as having one. So yes, Fran does have a personality and a very strong one at that. She has lived long enough to know not to shove it in people's faces. Also, it is not the Viera way.--High Summoner 00:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Uh... No. Vaan still sucks. Nobody even bothered to talk to him throughout the game (he seemed to stick in the background most of time, so how do you play "through his eyes"?). Though I do want a prize for actually reading that massive brick of text. I'm sure I'll be the only one. --BlueHighwind 00:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Consider the prize a boost to your reading comprehension skills. BTW, you play through his eyes because you are not privy to the backgrounds of any of the other characters at the game's onset. You find out information as Vaan does. --High Summoner 01:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Vaan couldn't even understand what was going on. He was too much of an insignifigant little flee for that. Also, I learned tons more than Vaan did. Like for example, there are all those scenes in Archadia where Vaan is not present. I learned so much about Vayne and how he came to power. Vaan was not there. Its a third-person view, not a first person. Thank God too, because that would have ruined FFXII. --BlueHighwind 01:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Touche. I see your point, but it is not third person alone. Remember Vaan's little vignettes of opinion and the like. My point that I'd like to reiterate is that mostly, you learn as Vaan should. He may not necessarily indicate that he's picked up on the lessons of the masters, but that is mostly due to the fact that he does not possess valued cultural capital. He is a street urchin after all. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm actually not that fond of Vaan, but I am not foolish enough to state that he is unnecessary. Vaan is pretty stupid, but the game is making a statement about the poor or lower class members of society. Actually, Vaan really has no business traveling with the likes of Balthier. Yet, despite this, he does. And if Balthier can allow it, so can I.--High Summoner 01:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC) I consider it to be a Contrivance of the Plot. Much like how Cloud and co. kept Cait Sith around in FFVII whne there was no good reason to. --BlueHighwind 01:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Or how Cloud spent an entire disk traveling around sleeping beside two hot chicks instead of sleeping with them like I would have tried to do... Drake Clawfang 01:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Well that quote sounds familiar. Oh, I get it! Its from my Walkthrough: Final Fantasy VII/BlueHighwind/Part 7: "Now we know why we must follow Sephiroth all across the world. But even with the destruction of your hometown and all, Cloud seriously what's up with you? If I were in your shoes I be trying snag Tifa and Aeris in a 3-way (now there's an image), instead of chasing after Sephiroth. I guess we just have different priorities." --BlueHighwind 01:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC) @Good Drake and Blue: ...Says the guys who have yet to do so with any girl. --ChiefKakashi 02:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC) ah, the truculence of youth. My point, again, is that the game is making a commentary of both a political and socio-economic nature. Vaan is about as low class as you can get. Ashe, being a queen (though not exactly on the throne) is at the opposite end of the spectrum. Everyone else falls somewhere in between. Vaan is necessary to develop and explore the dynamic between social classes.--High Summoner 02:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC) There are better characters who could have done so. Perhaps somebody with something to say about the difference of Social Classes. Vaan seemed to take it all in stride (he's is an idiot). Or maybe somebody who could have pointed out how Dalmasca seems to be much better off under Imperial Rule. Didn't Penelo's family die in a plague? Yeah, the old King was a crackercack ruler. --BlueHighwind 12:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Ah, things that couldn't be dicier... If you're walking down the street and you see a bum, or a homeless person, you usually don't think, "hey, under all that sludge, he must be a great person!" I think the point, in Vaan's creation, was to portray the lower class as people who would not be well received, someone who people wouldn't like. So, if we get rid of Vaan, he must be replaced with someone equally as ignorant and insignificant. Oh, and all this social class stuff has to be "read between the lines" because it is a video game, after all.--High Summoner 19:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC) When you pit characters from two of the most despicable games in the series, nobody wins. Chocotard 00:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC) How are FFIX and FFXII the most despicable games in the series? Niether one of those are FFVIII. Please, do explain. --BlueHighwind 01:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC) What's so wrong with VIII? It's not bad, it's defeinitely a good game for the series. It's got a few flaws but even the best FF games have them. I love FFIX to death, but I know it's not without flaws. --AnonyMan 02:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Week 71: Vivi v. Aeris

File:Vivi Ornitier character.jpg		Winner!! Vivi 45½ to 28 File:Vivi Ornitier character.jpg		File:Aerith Gainsborough Nomura art.jpg
The most beloved Black Mage meets the most beloved White Mage. Is Vivi's magical potency unbeatable, or can the keeper of Holy fend off this stout mage?
Votes for Vivi LegendxMakaveli: I would pic Vivi because he is one of the only characters I liked in FFIX also because black is my fav colour. But I do like FF7 more then FFIX. BlueHighwind: Its Vivi. MK: Vivi is a pimp isn't he? I don't like White Mages... or people who get killed midway through stories and don't get revived. Gyromite: Vivi is a black mage, he blows up stuff and can even cast 2 devestating spells in 1 turn. Aeris is a white mage, she heals people, and Great Gospel was really the only thing she could do to actually help you out, plus she is dead. AnonyMan: C'mon! Aeris has nadda on the Veevster. First off, he's more entertaining, has a cooler personality, has cooler comrades, is in the better game; and has a great hat. As for his Magic proficiency I don't care for either Blk/Wht, it depends on the operator. If he'd died during IX's story I'd actually care. VitoRyu: Aside from the fact that Vivi is OBVIOUSLY the better of the two, HE WON MAGICITE MADNESS!!! Mateus_the_Corrupt: You know, if Vivi were to beat Aeris out using Triple Cast, then he's the only Black Mage who never gives up. That's why I'm voting for him. He's my first ever, ever, ever, ever, ever best Black Mage on Earth!! Vivi would nuke your arse. HexedTourney Bluesilver: Aeris died, i don't care if i got her name wrong, she don't deserve it. Vivi can kill all, and he's young enough to get away with it! Super Sephiroth: Vivi was the best character in an already awesome game, Aeris was also rather good, but Vivi easily wins, even though VII is better than IX. Eirwen: Even though I like both their personalities, Vivi would obviously defeat her, leaving nothing left for Sephiroth to kill... again. Adam mcduck: I'd be lying if I said that Aeris was actually a good character. TheRedMagus: I've just always really hated Aeris. Plus, Vivi's a great black mage. actiondan: Vivi.. to be honest though.. don't think it would matter who this was.. so long as it's against Aerith.. theyre gonna win.. can't stand Aerith Big mamou: In terms of character development and motivation, Vivi is my favorite character in any FF game. CidTheFirst: Let's be rational here - Vivi never loses. Bartz235: Best Black Mage in the series vs Worst White Mage. Easiest decision yet. Hey Aeris, it's called DODGE ROLL! Learn to use it next time. Oh wait, you're dead! Vivi didn't die, he became a God. --Alcaeus ^No, Vivi didn't become a God...he always was a God, in my eyes! Heh, Vivi kicks ass. Always has. Always will. Nuff said. ~Chocobo Knight Maverick Riot: To be fair, as important as Aeris was, it kinda sucked the first time through when you raised her up as you played and then she snuffed it. Weak. Vivi was just pure power. He got me through battles that the other characters all KO'd over. Plus, he's cool looking. Pikmin Master: Actually, Vivi kinda DID die, but left a lot of kids. Not only is Vivi the obvious winner, my choice for Vivi is that Aeris (Aerith) can not actually use magic (She just had the White Materia at the time.). If the fight was between Vivi and Minwu, then I'll undoubtedly choose Minwu. Plus, I have a losing streak to undo. Materiasdraw: Vivi would own Aeris. Hello, Double Black VS Healing Wind. Who do you think would win? Arcanedude34: Crisis Core ruined Aerith for me. Master Yehudi: There is no character named Aeris. I've heard of some character called Aerith, but not Aeris. Also, Vivi is the shiite! He also won that silly tournament thingy you guys had a while back. Yes, that's it, I'm referring to this wiki as "you guys" now. Rydiaofmist: Eh, it's obvious who is going to win. I like them both, but come on, it's Vivi! Zero (0): VIVI!!! Chaltier:I'm playing FFIX right now and Vivi is so cool!!!!!!!XD Andre666: Well, it's Vivi; adorable and awesome, basically. VIVI! VIVI! VIIIIIVIIIIIII!!! TBM Hyacynth: Vivi is easily one of the best (if not THE best) well-written and memorable characters in the Final Fantasy franchise. His story was touching without ever being maudlin, and he pushes through identity crises that otherwise cripple other heroes. SCM: We've already proven that Vivi always wins. Theentertainer: Vivi is by far the better characer. He's short, lovable, Classic Black Mage design, THE HAT!! I WANT THAT HAT! (pinty het, *giggles*) , Dead Ancients take a huge back seat to Flukes and Mistakes that become God like and never unuseful once during and entire game. Drake: It's Vivi. Darkling692: Poor dead girl, she has no chance against the great master Vivi. Falbub: Vivi's cute, and not a stereotype. I got nothing against Aeris, but I just like Vivi's character better. Etch: no-brainer. vivis arguably one of the best (if not the best) character in the series, and has a story and character development unparalleled by any of the other characters in his respectable game. in ff ix, vivi really takes the show and makes the game. not to mention hes the most lovable little character you can encounter in the series. i never thought much about aerith, she kind of bored me. imho shes overrated and if she didnt die then chances are alot of people would not pay her as much mind. her dialogue is nothing special and she doesnt stand out much in terms of character development, conflict, and backstory. and besides, vivis a black mage, which makes him that much funner of a character. Rabid Biscuit: Good god, Aeris is being slaughtered. Good. She deserves it. Because she phails. TSD: I don't need a reason to vote for Vivi. Lockhart: Even though I have new appreciation for Aerith due to Crisis Core, I just can't help but go with Vivi here. Myotis: First, Vivi's an old favorite of mine. Second, I'm not about to vote for someone who goes by 'normal is best'. Shariii: Vivi please. Not too keen on the Aerith. Anonymous votes You know it! Despite far preferring FFVII and thinking Aeris is a better character, Vivi would whoop Aeris with a fish in a fight. Strange analogy there. Black magic users wil win everytime. Plus Vivi has a better design. The only reason I vote for Vivi is because I dont like Aeris...There was another great main character that died before Aeris....he was Galuf... Vivi all the way. Black Mages are the shizzles. Rainacide - Vivi is a motherfuckin' pimp thug king. Not only does he look like a G'd up mage. He's prolly one of the more humorous & lovable black mages you will ever see around the FF series. Vivi may be the first one to die off after the end of FFIX but that sure beats Aeris. I don't think Aeris can beat ReflectX2 ;] Now can she? Vivi all the way. VIVI KICKS ASS ! It's got to be the hat. That and he is the most innocent purveyors of destruction every.			Votes for Aeris Drake Clawfang: Alright, it was actually not as difficult as I thought. Vivi kicks ass, but Aeris is my top VII character and ties with Terra for third favorite overall. So my vote lies with her, but if and when she snowballs towards the win I'll likely change my vote so Vivi can come close. For once I'm actually hoping for a tie... Chocolancer:Pity vote...Vivi wins all the time -_-" Chocotard: I'm going to go with futility on this one. FFIX just sucked. Chocotard 11:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Dark raven: I guess it's a pity vote. Masamune: I can't vote against Aeris after Crisis Core. Plus she was awesome in the original FFVII, anyway. I've got nothing against Vivi, but... Blykus 21:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Thunderkeg: It goes to show people don't think seriously about this before voting for Vivi, Aerith saves the planet with Holy, Vivi is a "contributing factor" As far as "Double Black vs Healing Wind" goes her other limits would own such as Seal Evil and Great Gospel. Aerith's limit break would activate first as Vivi's double black magic occurs like a regular cast. Yumino: White mages are best~ Ultimateria: Both of these characters are my favorite from their games, but Aeris is my favorite female character of the series, while Vivi is only my third favorite male character of the series. Plus her theme music is my favorite song in the series, and her death is my favorite Final Fantasy memory. Kurakawa:Pity vote. Heh Heh Oath to Order 14:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Gendreavus: I don't even see how this is a contest. In the last five years, I've only ever come close to crying twice, once when Kamina was killed in Gurren Lagann, and when Aeris died. I even knew it was going to happen thanks to all the flash videos I saw before playing the game, but it still affected me. Vivi, while awesome in his own right, can't hold a candle to Aeris. RowdyCMoore I just don't see how someone who reminds me of Orko from He-Man can be as badass as every one says. Vote for Aeris. Oranejo: If Aeris was not losing so bad I would have voted for Vivi. One thing I do not get is how people call her overrated though. She managed to stop Meteor while being dead, what else does she have to do? ChiefKakashi: Aeris already died. Does she really need to die here too? RedMage: This was never really a contest.... AkwardNinja: Its a lost cause, but i'm still gonna vote for her. i agree with rowdy on how he looks like orko........and i did not like orko at all I think that saving the world after death is pretty raw. I also was annoyed at how Vivi tripped every 3.5 seconds... just saying. --High Summoner 19:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Kenjutsukata1o1: Poor Aeris... No, Aeris wasn't strong. As far as practical use goes, she's not a top contender. But what she IS is a beautiful, inwardly strong character who has managed to make an impact in the world of video games in spite of the short time she had with us. Invisible.ink: Pfft...Aeris, no contest. Franimal86: My vote goes to Aeris! TacticAngel: I wasn't going to vote, but I think the Vivi supporters have given the little mage a black eye. Anonymous votes Say, "Great Gospel" is an ultimate white magic, used it to defeat weapons with single attack command, other than that, Aeris is also on TV~ Um, hello! Vivi dies too! Aerith only frickin saves the world, more than once. She was actually a vital character. ... Aerith, the best female character in the final fantasy franchise!!! I don't dislike Vivi, but Aerith saved the world, that says it... I'd have to agree with the above. In terms of character and development Vivi is better, however Aerith summons Holy to destroy Meteor which in FFVII is the ultimate black magic. Besides Vivi died of natural causes which everybody knows sucks. Go out with a bang. How about Double Black Vs Great Gospel "Hmm i'm immune to physical and magical attacks", then she just smacks Vivi in the face with her pole. Hi everyone, and i think aeris is a great character and like, screw vivi ,ffvii was the best game, not ffix. and besides have you seen the ps3 technical demo??she is so friggin hot!!! Aeris's theme always breaks my heart when i hear it, screw her in all the remakes and add ons, in the game she was just ace in the original :) (p.s vivi died at the end too but mini vivis didn't make sense :S) vivi shouldn't really exsist noob: i wouldn't say that, Vivi was dang awesome, and it's a was hard choice, but then i'll have to go with Aeris because it was because of her that Final Fantasy VII got all the attention that it did. oh and because she was the "one that got away"--she's so dang hot! oh yeah, just remember that both of 'em died! No contest... Aeris wins by far. Vivi was cool and everything, but Aeris is sweeter and she has the better limit breaks, IMHO. ...Even if Aeris couldn't win, Cloud would come along and beat Vivi something silly for her. Um hello...Vivi does not have boobs and a hot bod...heck we do not even know what's his face like!!!! I like aeris because black magic is very,very evil. White magic is like for good.
Peanut Gallery Excuse me while I weep for having to make this decision...Drake Clawfang 02:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Alright, another great character from Final Fantasy IX is up. Thene again it's hard to find a character from the game who isn't. Can IX's characters go for another win in row? Here's hoping for it.AnonyMan 04:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Probably. I am kinda saddened by the way these last two fights have been going. I had an eight week long losing streak goin' here at the DNC (Democratic National Commitee), and was planning on keeping it up at least until June. --BlueHighwind 12:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC) I could have told you this wouldn't be close. Its very, very apparent that a whole lot of our members haven't played FFVII and precious few will admit openly to liking the game. Vivi is a character that everyone can admit to liking and he is associated with a game every bit as perceivably underrated as FFVII is perceivable overrated. Long story short, he is a champion for the pity a lot of people feel for FFIX on top of being a pretty cool cat in his own right. --TacticAngel 17:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC) If this is a game vs. game issue, then I'll change my vote right now. FFVII destroys FFIX! I was under the impression that this was about the characters. --BlueHighwind 19:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Reading the comments on the Vivi side, for a lot of them, it is a game versus game issue. Its also interesting that they fault Aeris for dying, when, in reality it was what really helps separate FFVII most RPGs. --TacticAngel 23:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC) I never had any game trouble with Aeris dying. Its not about character level, but Materia equipped. Her Materia survives with all the AP intact, so it doesn't matter who equips it after her. Every character in that game levels up with the three characters in the party anyway, just at a slower pace. It really doesn't matter who you use, the only main difference is attack strength and Limit Breaks. Aeris can't attack very well at all, so she wasn't that strong a character. --BlueHighwind 01:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC) I noticed that too, too many comments against Aeris dying. And yeah, it's character versus character, not game versus game. Drake Clawfang 00:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC) Oh, I'd also like to note that while Aeris died, she called upon the Lifestream to help fight Meteor and called down healing rain to cure Geostigma and kill Kadaj and his cronies, both after her death. So even beyond the grave Aeris is helping to save the world from Sesshiroth. And that's gotta count for something. Drake Clawfang 04:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC) Yeah, but that happened in Advent Children, which most people that hate Final Fantasy VII also hate, and which most people that love Final Fantasy VII also hate. Aeris is easily the fifth best character from VII, but Vivi is the best character of IX. He's Vivi! -- Drake True that, DMD. I'm probably one of the few VII fans that found AC good. Again, I reiterate - It's a movie based on a video game, and regardless of its actual content, movies based on video games can only be so good. And for what it was, AC did a decent job of continuing the story. Drake Clawfang 18:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC) It would appear that this battle is decidedly less heated. Also, that DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!! thing is there for a reason. Chocotard 11:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC) Anything with Vivi is going to be less heated. IX is probably my least favorite FF game so far with the fewest amount of memorable characters (for me), but Vivi ranks as one of my favorite characters out of all the FF's. There is just nothing to hate about him. --Oranejo 14:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC) As much as Vivi pwns the ass of most FF characters, two FFIX characters in a row can be considered one-sided. --AuronKaizer 23:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC) It's never made clear whether or not Vivi dies in the end. -- Drake If one more voter gives a vote for Vivi because Aeris dies, I will change my vote in protest. You all should be ashamed of your self. She was a beautiful, non-existant, fictional character and she deserves better. --BlueHighwind 01:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Maybe then you'll be able to bring back your losing streak. :) --Alcaeus Yes, I was quite proud of that, wasn't I? --BlueHighwind 02:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC) I know. You should change the vote if you really want to bring back that losing streak. It probably won't affect this fight at all. Right now, Aeris will be lucky if she manages to tie with Vivi. Edit: But would you really want to vote against Vivi just to bring back a losing streak? :D --Alcaeus I'm a petty man, so I moved a vote placed above mine. For the first time in DNC history I cast my vote first and I wanna keep it as such. Sue me. BH, feel free to do the same so I feel less immature. Drake Clawfang 02:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC) What's the harm? I did that all of the Edea vs. Lulu fight. It wasn't luck that I started out at one and ended at one. I can percieve difficultly if you get into a placement fight with another User, but I trust a Staff Member would be able to bow out gracefully to avoid pointless strife. --BlueHighwind 02:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Hm, and looking back it seems I took first vote last week with Locke. Meh, in that case I don't care where my vote is this time around. Drake Clawfang 02:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Getting pretty sick of these Aeris death excuses myself, although Vivi has a high vote count a lot of them are ludicrous and should be discounted, as memorable as people claim Vivi is every time i try to remember FFIX all i can think of is Zidane's constant jokes about Steiner. --Thunderkeg 23:42, 2 June (UTC) Sorry, but you can't discount those votes. --Alcaeus But I can! Hurray for abuse of power! --TacticAngel Is it just me, or it FFVII always getting more anon. votes then its competitor. Cloudofdarkness The last fight that featured a non-VII character vs a VII character, Cid vs Cid(XII), Cid from XII received one more anon vote. The Zack vs Cloud fight featured a lot of anon votes though.--Oranejo 16:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Week 70: Locke v. Zidane

		Winner!! Zidane 43½ to 33½
Had FFXII not exist, this would have been the pair that made it to the top of the thief bracket; however, they were cut-down by Balthier and Fran.
Votes for Locke Drake Clawfang: Ah, such a challenge, Locke and Zidane both kick ass, and Zidane grabbed Garnet's ass and helped her just in the hopes of getting a quickie. But Locke is from VI, which kicks ass, and his story with Celes and Rachel is bittersweet and tragic. I vote for the premier thief, Locke, but Zidane is awesome too. Zero (0): Gotta go with Locke. (I don't really like Zidane.) Chocotard: I absolutely refuse to vote for anything from the unholy abomination that was Final Fantasy IX. Plus, the dude has a tail. Rydiaofmist: Zidane's cool, but I still prefer Locke. Maybe it's because VI made way more of an impression on me than IX. PhysicsAPsucks: Locke is just too cool. The whole thing with the Phoenix Magicite shows how awsome he is. Ultimateria: I can say that I have played both games now, after buying IX just a few weeks ago. I am on disc 3, but I think that I haven't learned much about Zidane still, but Locke has a backstory and I just enjoy his character more. Not to mention I love Celes, being one of my favorite characters of the series, and she's his love interest! I'm so jealous... Oranejo:I kind of like both of them,(just not a lot) but I did not really care for the idea that Zidane has no reason or motivation to help people. At least I get why Locke wants to help people, although the whole Rachel thing is really creepy. Crazyswordsman: I've been slacking off. No offense to Zidane, a fine Thief, at all. Locke is just, well, he's Locke. HexedTourney Chaltier:Both are great Thief/Treasure Hunter ,but i'm a FFVI fan , so yay Locke! XD Jammi568: Anyone who doesn't look like Vaan with a tail (basically, all male protagonists before IX) gets my vote. VitoRyu: Locke. actiondan: mmmmmmm.. Locke.. never used him, unless he was selected for storyline purposes.. BUT.. still.. Locke! W0lF35: Locke, definetly. He's a "proffessional" thief, Zidane is just a kid with cleptomania :). Sora_Rainstorm: To be honest, I wasn't completely carried away with IX. I liked it, but not as much as VI. Zidane didn't really had much of an impression on me. Locke on the otherhand, was a great character. I had sympathy for him because of his past. Frozenflame77: Zidane's a thief, Locke's a treasure hunter, much cooler. Yumino SCM I'm just voting for whoever's losing Shinryu: I think that Locke looks more like a thief treasure hunter and acts like he is the main character (which he really isn't), Zidane looks more like a weird kid. Plus Locke has some nasty uses with Ultima Weapon/Valiant Knife + Gengi Glove + Master Scroll. Etch: Locke, because Zidanes a little wimp, and because his storys deeper than just being some horny monkey freak that just wants to get some ass from Garnet. Read anon vote 5. Oath to Order 19:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC) AuronKaizer: He's hilarious and has one of the best one-liners in the game. Zidane is like a Disney character - completely unrealistic. You try to work it out. MK: Locke is such a good thief, he's evolved into something better: Treasure Hunter. And he's got a normal sized head. Hydronisa: It's really hard to decide on this one. I'm going with the one whose story doesn't sound like it was taken from DragonBall Z. Shariii: Locke. Just because his sprite is cool. Oh, and because I really dislike Zidane. So here's to LOCKE! And his bandana! bartz235: Locke, and Balthier and Fran suck compared to these two. Edward:Locke, no doughts Anonymous votes Lock is better because he has a deep story. I mean,Rachel... Locke the treasure hunter is way better than monkey kid Zidane!!! D: why not? Have to agree with others. Besides Locke looks more like a thief Doesn't have oversized head lol Locke is a much more interesting character then Zidane. He has a epic theme song. And has a good looking girlfriend too. Plus he has the Valiant Knife, anyone that has played VI knows the Valiant Knife is automatic win. Cmon, he's probably the best thief (rather,treasure hunter haha) in the series, both in battle and in personality! Plus, he's not some kid with a monkey tail This is Locke we're talking about here. He made treasure hunting cool and fun. And fun and cool. Thieves wouldn't be a very popular class without Locke. Locke; a man with a past. Characterwise, he's better developed, and a little more realistic than Zidaine. Combatwise, not only does he have access to magic, but his boomerangs and such offer a tactical advantage over Zidaine's Thiefswords. Top all this off with Zidaine's obvious character templates being both Locke and Edgar; let's just say a mottled copy's at a disadvantage. Locke! One of the (many) reasons VI was an awesome game, even if he did keep unusual things in the basement. And you have to love such an ardent advocate of his profession. Locke. Nuff said q: Locke kicked ass way before Zidane was ever created by garland! Rip his lungs out Locke!! The best thief in the final fantasy series.			Votes for Zidane LegendxMakaveli: I Vote for Zidane because he is a great character and I love his double swords. He also has a sweet tail. YoungFried: I vote for Zidane as he is more swift and nimble than Locke and could easily wipe him out in Trance mode! Adam mcduck: They're both great so I'm gonna have to go with what game they're from. BlueHighwind: My losing streak remains unbroken! Totally uncool! Anyway, Zidane is the best main character for any Final Fantasy game ever. And the best Thief. "TDickery" is what pushes him well past John Locke. ChiefKakashi 20:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC) Henryacores: Zidane is the only protagonist I can call a "Hero". LinkSlySora: Both are some of the best characters in Final Fantasy, but Zidane has so many other abilities that make him better in my opinion. Blykus 01:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC) AnonyMan: Locke is cool, and inexplicably a very popular VI character but, he's got nothing on Zidane. Who is pretty much a cooler, more monkey-like, funnier and better version of the "Treasure Hunter". He also set the bar way too high for other FF Protagonists. Only thing I didn't really dig waz his womanizing(but that was very limited) and his choice in a love interest(though with FF you can't really expect even the coolest character to have a half-decent one anyway). AleriaAs usual, going with the game I've played... HE HAS A FRICKIN' TAIL (EDIT: Chocotard you are just what your name derives from) --AzureDrake 03:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC) Faethin: Zidane is my favorite male protagonist. "You don't need a reason to help people." Locke is one of the coolest characters though. BahamutKaiser 05:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC) : I vote for Zidane simply because, in a VS, it's no competition, both are master thiefs, but even if Locke is a better thief, he simply can't match Zidanes inhuman power, Zidane is basically the equivalent of an Esper in FFVI. Mateus_the_Corrupt: I should vote for Zidane, he's my second best Thief after all... Otherarrow Otens Somehow he makes his clothes work. Also, to me he seems to be a mix of Terra and Locke. His thievery reminds me of Locke and his Trance reminds me of Terra. Dancing Daggers Ix is the first FF game I ever set eyes on, and for me Zidane is for me the protaganist who holds the most charm. Also, he has cool abilities, cool weapons, a freakin' tail... Also I liked FF IX's character-specific job system more than any other game so thar. Sora G. Strife: I believe that Zidane rocks so much harder. Lockhart: For me, this was close, but Zidane is just a little bit better. Xadren: My favourite character, go Zidane! 8bit_BlackMage: Locke is actually one of the few FFVI characters I dislike, mostly because he sucked in battle and I ditched him in favor of my lovely Ultima Celestriad trio and Edgar (Chainsaw ftw). I like his storyline, but Zidane is definetly the better of the two. Gyromite: Locke is cool and all, but his no weapon he can use can go throug hte monkey boy with the butterfly sword :D! Pikmin Master: I hate Locke, so Zidane. Zidane was smart, he only helped the princess 'cause he wanted what every guy wants-- Blackheart1991 22:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC) Cuz he's just plain awesome~ :) --Atlantima 23:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC) Chocolancer: Locke is cool, but the fact that Zidane can wield thief swords makes him much cooler =)! AJDurai - yeah TheRedMagus - I just always liked Zidane a lot more than Locke. ShadowLaguna: Locke is great and all, but I'm more fond of Zidane...so get off me you scumbag!! Hyacynth: It actually somewhat pains me to vote against Locke, but Zidane is the superior thief. As characters, I love them equally. But for more free items, you go with Zidane. Darkling692: I vote for the most underrated main character of any FF who deals 9,999 pts. of damage with a coin Genesis rhapsodos: Don't get me wrong, Locke was cool but Zidane was a total badass and I'm gonna have to go with him on this one. Drake:Like hell! Zidane is still the best damn theif in the entire series. Because Zidane can steal from enemies MULTIPLE times. That means that stealing rare items is not a boring and frustrating chore. Plus his story, personality, and usefulness in battle are far greater than Locke. Why in the Hell would I vote for Locke? --Alcaeus Zidane's the guy. The guy. You just can't beat the guy. Not to mention he's the best hero in any of the PlayStation or PS2 games thus far. --That Guy Who Loves Zidane Gold: Best mainstream series main character; simple as. Locke was good, but not Zidane-level good. VN: I like them both but Zidane is a noble thief. At least he admits it. And gotta love his double ended sword! NexKorea: Zidane is awesome! MCMLXXXIV: They're about the same in my book, but for some reason I like Zidane better. CidTheFirst: IX is the first FF game I came across so it's one of my favourites and let's face it, no thief can surpass Zidane, even Balthier or Fran. Anonymous votes I vote for Zidane. FFIX is my favorite FF. It's the game that got me hooked on the franchise. And Zidane is a badass. I mean, come on, he grabbed a girl's as and didn't get the shit beat out of him for it, then managed to mix her up with another girl he was hitting on, and STILL got her in the end. Zidane is better looking than the other guy. (: Dude he has a tail. Tails own all. Rainacide - Zidane all the way, he can Trance, he's a Genome soldier, an Angel of Death & plus he's a friggin' G at gettin' Garnet/Dagger. & you can't forget his all mighty Thief Swords. His storyline & heroics are one of the best of any main protagonist of any Final Fantasy game. He is one of the more underrated ones cuhs guys like Cloud, Squall & Tidus get more popularity. Zidane's my favorite Final Fantasy hero, and he has a tail! Go tails! And he used that tail of his to get out of trouble once. It was a lot of fun playing as him. He's such a nice guy and his motto is the sweetest thing I've ever heard; 'You don't need a reason to help someone!’ Locke is cool too, but I prefer Zidane a lot more. Zidane wins totally :) Zidane gets my vote, he's in my favorite FF, is an awesome thief, great personality, and would viciously murder Locke in a fight.
Peanut Gallery A Quandry: what do I do when I find a random annon vote for Locke who blatantly ignored the COMPLETELY OBVIOUS ALL-CAPS TEXT TELLING HIM NOT TO VOTE BELOW THAT LINE, and completely ruined the page format for a second? Its so clear that you would have to be blind or illiterate not to notice it. So what should be done with this idiot? Currently its Locke IP vote Number 1. Keep or remove? --BlueHighwind 23:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC) FINALLY, a match with characters I care about. I hope the next one has Zell in it. Anyway, I'm hoping Zidane can win this one, even though VI is probably more loved...around here and Locke with it. Also to the person who said they were playing and still hasn't learned anything about Zidane, Disc 3 is the disc where you find about him.AnonyMan 02:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC) That would be interesting, having one with Zell in it. Somthing like Zell versus Tifa. Eirwen 08:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC) Pikmin Master says: Man, another obvious-looking match. I hope the next match has people I won't expect being in the DNC. TacticAngel: I could make something up, which would certainly be unpredictable, but I bet that wouldn't make everyone happy either. 213.105.212.129: Well, how about SeeD vs. SOLDIER? I haven't seen that paring before. VitoRyu: Because that would basically be the same things as FF7 vs FF8 (or Cloud v. Squall, and Cloud won that), and considering 8 has lost every DNC entry to date (minus Squall v. Seifer, because both were from 8), we already know SOLDIER will win. People just don't like 8. Plus, nobody knows how to pronounce SeeD. Is is just "Seed", or is it "See D"? Either way, I'd say its lame. Then again, SOLDIER doesn't seem to be an acronym for anything. FFVII just has a weird policy of putting random words into all caps (AVALANCHE, WEAPON). --BlueHighwind 19:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC) I always assumed it was pronounced "seed", seeing as they're all trained at a "garden".--Lycentia 19:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC) I don't think the words are randomly capitolized, it just ensures that they are recognized as codenames and call signs for words which otherwise denote something else. Soldier for instance can easily be considered any combatant in Shinra, though SOLDIER is specific to a group of enhanced Shinra soldiers, avalanche and weapon could also be ambiguous if not identified with capitol letters, just consider, Weapon, and WEAPON, these can easily be misinterpreted if not distinguished this way.BahamutKaiser 19:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC) I have to say that Locke and Zidane are wayyyy better thieves than Balthier and Fran. Balthier and Fran are cool personality-wise, but what's with long ranged weapons? (yeah i know they can use any weapons but they started off with those) You need daggers to mug people. Zidane and Locke FTW. --VN Yeah, well, this isn't a contest of what characters are better anymore, it's become a battle of the suckses. (That's the cleverest pun I've come up with all day, and I've been up for five minutes already!) --AuronKaizer 06:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Well, i think some people should know how to differentiate "who's the better character" and "who's the better [insert job class here]". Cos I keep seeing 'reasons' why so-and-so is hated/loved that made me LOL. --VN Well, it looks like Goku is going to win this one. Unless a slew of VI fans come in and blow the doors down. --Hydronisa Umm...last time I played FFVI, Locke had an oversized head. In fact, it's about the same size as his whole body! Get it right people! --Alcaeus balthier and fran could not match up to these to who are they kidding? lets see we got locke who popularized the theif class and all the other thieves listed wouldnt be there if it weren't for him, and zidane (as ridiculous as i think he looks in FMVs, in fact its almost painful for me not to laugh at how he looks) is the only main protagonist to be a thief. i still think lockes better than the rest simply because his story was very epic and being a treasure hunter was actually a big part of his storyline (i.e. finding magicite to revive Rachel) and how he was identified by other people (especially non-playable characters). His identity as a thief was nailed into his story so well that you gotta admit, he is THE thief. But zidane, superficial and horny as he is, is a respectable thief himself. balthier and fran my ass.. --Etch

Week 69: Lulu v. Edea

File:Lulu.jpg		Winner!! Lulu 38 to 32 File:Lulu.jpg
The simmering sorceress is something of an archetype, sometimes hard to sell, but both of these magic maidens are easy on the eyes, to be sure, but which of them bests the other in a bout of black magic?
Votes for Lulu Edea was made Ultimecia's bitch. Turns out she's actually a nice person. Cop out. Lulu was one of the only people who wasn't a complete loser in FFX --Maverick King 00:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC) I think Lulu is a better character in terms of development and, oddly enough, I'm not referring to her boobs. What I mean is that she had a better and more drawn up background story in FFX and her mannerisms did well to keep the party in line. I suppose she was the matron of the group in FFX and it didn't hurt for her to Doublecast Ultima in an instant. Bottom line is, Lulu FTW. --Tex 06:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC) I'm just more fond of Lulu. --ShadowLaguna 20:17, 15 May 2008 (DMT+12) My vote...is here.TheSwordofDoubt 08:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC) VitoRyu: Because Voting for Edea is the same thing as voting for Ultimecia. Do we REALLY want Ultimecia to win??? Dark raven Aramis: Lulu is from FFX, edea is from FFVIII. Enough said. Since the entire story of FFVIII made absolutely no sense to me, I'm gonna have to go with Lulu. I actually liked FFX, so... -RB Lockhart: Edea started off strong, but didn't finish strong, kind of like FFVII as a whole. As for Lulu, I tihnk she was one of the more interesting characters in FFX. She's pretty good. Oath to Order 14:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC) DrakemasterDrake:Always liked Lulu. ChiefKakashi 16:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC) PhoenixDew: Lulu all the way! She just rocks in general, one of my favorite black mages, if not my favorite. Plus Edea totally bombed story wise when she turned out to be just a kindly Matron. Tough decision though, cause Edea was like an inspiration for Lulu. Bartz235: I've always liked Lulu, whereas Edea was just...eh. Lulu can 1mp cost double cast Ultima!!! Lulu FTW!!! Sora_Rainstorm:Have to go with Lulu. I like Edea, but... Lulu intimidated me a little more than Edea. Lulu is my all-time favorite black mage, next to Vivi of course. ChocoJockey One MP cost, Triple Star, Break Damage and some other stuff coupled with Ultima=OVER 90,000...twice. --AzureDrake 03:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Mateus_the_Corrupt: When I played FFX for the second time, I just made Lulu learned Lancet, now that's more like a Black Mage than a Dragoon :P. Because of that, I should give her 1000 thumbs-ups. Actiondan: Quite liked lulu.. liked her belty dress... thats about the only reason i am voting to be honest..also had them chop sticks in her hair.. thats surely what black mages are all about. Dark Dragoon: I have to go with Lulu... i don´t really like neither her or edea but i guess she would kick edea´s ass even under ultimencia´s control... Belts aside, shes one of the few people in this game to not be solely dictated by emotions *cough*tidus*cough*. This makes her awesome in my oppinion--Superaeon35 00:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC) While I love both Edea and Lulu, I only really appreciated Edea when she was under the control of Ultimecia. I must admit, her cinematic scenes were deliciously evil. Lulu, on the other hand, was always and will continue to be dark and edgy; even after she has a kid in X-2, she keeps her edge. Additionally, I loved her cold and icy demeanor toward Tidus at the beginning of FFX.--High Summoner 01:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC) I loved Lulu's relationship with most of the characters of FFX and liked her attitude, no matter how hard i try i always end up with Lulu on the Macalania Tobbagen ride. Who cares about belts or slutty looks. I like her because of her sarcasm. I don't hate Edea but she's just...not appealing to me (in terms of personality). --VN 18 May, 2008 Chocotard: Definitely Lulu. Edea was basically just a husk for Ultimecia. Leon5550 Lulu,shes hotter n shes goth!!! she gots my vote for sure!! Slayerette I just like Lulu and her awesome dolls. CaidrynThough they're both accomplished mages, Edea seemed to lose most of her personality after Ultimecia stopped possessing her, falling quickly to the background. I was a fan of Lulu's... well, darker personality in contrast to the rest of the characters. Hell she almost tied Auron for mysteriousness. Besides, in terms of power FFX had a much higher limit in stats and damage calculation, so in an all out battle, a capped Lulu beats a capped Edea a hundred times over. Zephyrus11 Lulu was one of the best characters of FFX. Her design, her voice actor, her dolls, everything about her is awesome. Gokus789 Gotta vote for my boobilious goth goddess. Shariii: Lulu. Who doesnt wanna carry a doll moogle and kick peoples arses with it? =] heh. Plus, I liked her and Wakka, and the way they were together.. nawwwrrrr. TacticAngel: Sorry BHW. Anonymous votes Even though I like both of these characters, I gotta vote Lulu. Her story is better in my opinion. Edea looks stoned most of the time. She ain't got no skillz gainst Lu-x2 VIII was terrible. X, had Auron AND Blitzball. Those were the only good things. Im gonna have to vote for Lulu. She was an interesting chatacter and was powerful too. Alot of you guys are saying it takes a lot to pierce Squall with an Ice Shard, but c'mon Squally was nothing, I mean I mean Vaan could take him on. Also Fury>>>>IceSpear will ever be. Someone else said that once you get another FFX character to learn Lulu's magic, she is useless. Not true. They only learned her magic, they don't have her crazy high magic stat and plus it would take FOREVER for a FFX character to COMPLETE two sphere areas. Lulu is, in my opinion, the best character from FFX and it was definately my favorite game. Lulu is able to be completely customizeable via use of the sphere grid and is, in a simple statement: FREAKIN' AWESOME!! The outfit is just an added bonus. Her attitude seems to mellow Tidus' and Rikku's overly-positive attitude out with calm, collected logic. Lulu is hotter!!! FFX was my ABSOLUTE favorite, and because of that Lulu should win. She is also a highly complex character who is truly a warm hearted soul, with the smarts and looks to match. Hot, hot, hot momma!!!! <3 Lulu is by far the best character in FFX and Edea is just way to boring, Lulu all the way!!! Someone said Edea's voice was better but wait...you NEVER HEAR HER TALK!!! Lulu is by far hotter too BH. YOu say were all idiots just because we voice our opinion? Your a moron. Lulu is the hottest mage in the series, bar none! I change my vote; Edea's not a sorceress, she was just a tool. And Lulu's hot! Edea can do nothing on Lulu. Ice Strike? Lulu can blow that away with her Fury's Firaga, and burn that so-called sorceress at the same time! xiong grey 5/19/08...i have to say it is a close match i ran a couple scerios through my head and each time lulu won.her bear or what ever she has can attack as well. it serves as an amasing distraction of power. and i forgot about double cast! lulu wins...hands down! I have to say Lulu. Edea was great of course..... when she was evil. Then she pulled that whole "oh shit, what have I done" thing. Plus, Lulu was always quick and concise, and surprisingly funny at times. I like Lulu's moogle! It's cute! And I like it when she kind of bullies Wakka :) Definately Lulu! She's just plain cool really. And Edea, she seemed a bit hollow at times. She was also in the party for a pointless amount of time, when others would have benefited from the experience. Plus, Lulu has a defined personality.			Votes for Edea BlueHighwind: I have to be number one on this list. Nobody loves Edea more than me. Blykus 05:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Adam mcduck: Edea... such a wasted, great villain... More dignity and more stylish. -- N/A 06:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Chaltier: Edea cause Lulu is like an imitation of Edea,BH vote now for your beloved Edea! Random pick. HexedTourney SCM Definitely better SuperSeph: No way shall Edea lose to a second rate slut. Otens : I have to say I believe Edea would win. Her magic is technically unlimited (Not MP though.) Moogle Kupo: She's badass. Henryacores: She's Awesome and she's a real witch! No need for puppets, Edea is kickass by herself. Lulu has too many chastity belts. TBM Scottyboy4: I feel bad for Edea, being in FFVIII and everything. I never played VIII, but I think the belts just looks stupid on Lulu, and I thought it was a dress until I looked closer. --Oranejo 00:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Faethin: Her speech on Deling City... now that's rhetorics, every other speech in the FF series is utter bull. User:Yuffie2211:Edea will kick her sorry behind User:Leiber_Mage: Even though I love them both (Edea and Lulu), FFVIII was my first Final Fantasy, and I am in love with Edea more so than Lulu, even if she was possessed by Ultimecia, and the kindly Matron she truly is makes me love her even more, so my vote is for Edea, the ORIGINAL black-clad mage (and a kickass FMV) I said it about Golbez and Jenova and I'm saying it about Edea - the real villains ar the ones who do the work, not the ones who sit on their asses far away mentally ordering them around. Edea FTW. Drake Clawfang Hydronisa: Let's see, a goth with way too many belts who is really bitchy deep down inside, or, a mind-controlled Sorceress who is really kind deep down inside. I have to go with Edea, she was a better character in nearly every aspect, it's too bad you could only use her in battle for a short period of time. Aleria Zero (0): I just gotta vote for Edea because she's in FFVIII. Ultimateria: I just love her. I still can't forget the parade scene - amazing! Alcaeus: Lulu isn't a true black mage, and Edea has a personality. I think I'll go with Edea. Xadren: I don't like very much Lulu, besides Edea has a better music when she appears! Rydiaofmist: I like Edea more than Lulu, but (and I'm sure I'm in the minority here) I would actually pick Ultimecia over either of them. 8bit_BlackMage: I liked the Blizzaga scene. Anonymous votes GreatBuster: Doesn't Edea have the power of like 2 or 3 Sorceresses in her? I think That's enough to steamroll little lulu. Although It was Ultimecia who provided her with power, Edea would definitly win. Lulu can cast magic 6 times at once, but Edea nearly killed Squall in 1 attack Rainacide: I gotta go with Edea from FFVIII, as much as they are both badasses & Lulu is inspired from Edea, it's Edea I choose. Her story does die down at the end but come on who the hell can shank Squall with an ice shard...Lulu had a better story but she wasn't so productive in the game for me in FFX, when other's could learn her magic, she was basically useless. But Edea's character for being playable sucked. But her being the sub-villian made the game much better ;] She's a sorceress since she was 5 years old. She then inherited Ultimecia's powers. Powerful sorcery that. When she is not being a sorceress, she's a lovely and pretty matron, more than that wimpy Lulu ~ Rinja. IndridCold: Edea is awesome. So creepy. Lulu smells funny. Yumiko: Ok's. I remember when i was little and my brother was playing FFVIII and then the scene where she pierced Squall with the Iceshard. That scared the heck out of me. Now that shows how powerfull Edea is and also how scared i was like so many years ago. ... Edea was ice cold when she was under control much better than Lulu. The only reason I played through the monstrosity that was FF8 was to find out how successful Edea was. I was dissappointed as hell when I found out Ultimecia was the mastermind. I actually prefer Lulu as a character, but Edea would absolutely cane her in a fight. Edea gets my vote, because of her low cut neckline. It suits her better than the fake looking on Lulu. Personality wise, I like them both. Edea's got that extra sass and is clearly the inspiration for Lulu It has been mentioned but the ice strike was awesome and that was essentially Edea's own power - kickass! I still like Edea more than Lulu, both when she was possessed and also when she wasn't.
Peanut Gallery Both are great, to be honest, but Edea's speech in Deling City was just awesome. --Blykus 06:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Anyone else realize that, without trying to give a form of spoiler, Edea's magic is in a constant loop? But I'm hoping this was Edea as a villain instead of the character you get to use temporarily. -Otens Whoever said "Voting for Edea=Voting for Ultimecia" At least Ultimecia was a good final boss, unlike FFX. --AnonyMan 13:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Fuck Ultimecia! All Glory to her Majesty Lady Edea! Down with the pretender whore!! --BlueHighwind 19:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC) It's 18-17 Edea as I type this. This will be one hell of a "Black Magic Woman" slobberknocker. --Tex 01:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC) 18-18 now. <singing>Cast Firaga on me, baby... cast Blizzaga on me, baby... yes, cast Thundaga on me baby, turning my heart into stone... I need you so bad! Magic Woman I can't leave you alone!</singing> -Faethin 05:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC) I vote for the real Edea, the kind, pretty and powerful matron, because the Ice Strike is Edea's power, not Ultimecia. ~ Rinja. Wow. The last time I remember a fight this close was Rydia vs. Tifa. Drake Clawfang 13:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Yes, great fight. --ChiefKakashi 15:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Too bad the random visitor vote is with Lulu. Edea might lose. Damn single edit DNC users! --BlueHighwind 21:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Don't worry, I'm voting for Edea. I just haven't gotten around to it. Drake Clawfang 23:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Did anyone notice the "Vaan could take on Squall" comment in the anonymus votes for Lulu? I couldn't help but laugh my ass off, a punk-ass like Vaan could even be beatdown by a band of Lulu's dolls, not to mention what Squall could do to him --User:Leiber_Mage I don't know, Squall, while coo--wait..scratch that, while he eventually became cool, he isn't really special phsyically speaking other than being proficient with a weapon which has just 1 other user(and better accuracy than the resident marksman. WTF?) He and Vaan are pretty normal it's not crazy to say Vaan could take him. Gameplay wise, well that's different. Also, Vaan could step on Lulu's dolls. AnonyMan 20:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Am I insane or is Edea serious much hotter than Lulu? I want somebody to fight me on this, because I'm thinking that the IPs are mostly idiots. --BlueHighwind 00:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC) The stigma of FFX is not quite as great as the stigma of FFVIII. Sadly, though, Edea is really only cool on the first disk of the game too, and after that she is kind of... blah, shut up, I don't care. Lulu never steps out of vague archetype enough to earn any significant detractors based on her character. --TacticAngel 00:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Good thing I can blame all faults with Edea's character on the good old line: "FFVIII sucks". Works like a charm. =) --BlueHighwind 00:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Minwu is the hottest wizard in the series. --Alcaeus Agreed! --VN Lulu IP Vote #10, I said "mostly" idiots. There are exceptions, but you are not one of them. They're called apostrophes and are often used in contractions so that "we're" does not become the verb "were". Try them sometime. --BlueHighwind 21:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC) I don't know, I find something pretty hillarious about the "Your a moron." --TacticAngel 02:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC) I LOL'd at someone mentioning that Edea has a voice! Hwahaha... anyways... it's true that everyone can learn magic in FFX, but still you need the key sphere thingy to have access to them. But by the time you unlock it, it's about time to face the final boss. It's not like magic can work well with bosses anyway, there's no point of unlocking. You can always choose the characters to be true to their job classes or not. Besides, I like the sphere grid system than junction. Wait a sec, I thought all FF8 characters can use magic? --VN Yikes! This may be the closest match yet! Chocotard 19:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC) Lulu's winning by half a point. Best fight in a while. Awesome! --ChiefKakashi 01:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC) If it weren't for Ultimecia Edea would have swept this match. Have the votes against Edea are because of that mess. Even FFVIII fans have to admit that was a terrible idea. (Once this fight is over, I will not mention that issue again for two months. I'm going cold turkey because I'm starting annoy even myself.) --BlueHighwind 01:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC) I don't find that that could work against her. Power corrupts and besides at least Edea's character changes. Lulu does and repeats the same thing only to get a little, little, bit happier. Also, I'm thinking that most of the people voting have not even played VIII and only played X. So they only read her character profile. Otens "Power corrupts" is nothing but a non-historical fairy tale invented by democratic states to justify their painfully inefficient and incompetent governments. Though I will admit that even when Edea was a "good gal" and in the party she was still my favorite character. It was when she was kicked out of the plot altogether that I became REALLY FUCKING ANGRY! DAMN YOU, FFVIII!!. --BlueHighwind 21:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC) Dood, Final Fantasy VIII was full of governments who did that. Not to mention "Power Corrupts" is really just for greedy people. And Edea in fact, fought off the need as much as possible to gain so much power. Edit: Forgot my name -Otens lol @ anonymous vote for Lulu 5 "it would take FOREVER for a FFX character to COMPLETE two sphere areas." my team, Tidus, Auron, and Yuna, have literally 95% of the grid filled out, and this is my second sweep wiping anything thats a stat that isn't +4. I'm not bragging or anything, just saying it doesn't take as long as you might think. Once you get o a certain point, sphere grid levels come far faster than the actual common drop spheres you fill them in with. Not to mention in comparison to the time I spend in some games leveling characters *cough cough disgaea cough* the amount of time that took was nothing. Total time on my FFX save: around 100 hours, I believe. Time spent on the other game mentioned leveling a _single_ character... around 240 hours. (Both times include me falling asleep while playing several times.) Caidryn 23:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Caidryn

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• Archive II - Week 11 through week 20!
• Archive III - Week 21 through week 30!
• Archive IV - Week 31 through week 39!
• Archive V - Week 40 through Week 49!
• Archive VI - Week 50 through Week 59!
• Archive VII - Week 60 through current!