Votes for Materia
- Crazyswordsman: The one that doesn't suck gets my vote.
- BlueHighwind: Draw sucks in every way possible. My characters in FFVII were the greatest team I've ever made. No competition.
- Chief: Because I can.
- North Ace: Probably because "Draw" is friggin' cheap after you master it; no level grinding.
- Some Color Mage: I hate Draw. Besides, I like the double-edged sword thing. Adds more strategy.
- Aramis: Well, haven't finished either of those games... Started playing FFVII though... Not as good as FFXII, FFVI, or FFIV, but whatever.
- Alcaeus: If I wrote how many times I have to Draw > Stock 100 spells in my FF8 walkthrough, there would be 5 pages dedicated to just one battle. Why do I have to perform such a goddamn mediocre task just to increase my characters' attributes? Not only that, whenever I use a spell that is junctioned to an attribute, the attribute is then lowered (i.e. if Curaga is junctioned to HP, then using Curaga would lower the character's Max HP). While I dislike Materia, it is the obvious choice when being compared to the draw system. I hate these one-sided fights, BH please put the Ramza vs. Delita fight up next. PLEASE!
- Triforcel: I found materia to be somewhat usefull to use. Especially the Master materia. Draw on the other hand was one of the reasons I got so fed up with VIII that I didn't finish it.
- Otherarrow: Magic rocks are tons better than....whatever the Drawn stuff is supposed to be.
- Roman King: Draw sucks.
- Mizuno Mahou: Materia is loads better than the whole Junction/Draw system from VIII. That's saying a lot because Materia is inferior to most other ability systems in Final Fantasy.
- Super Sephiroth: Oh fuck
- dudutsai: Didn't like either of them... but Draw sucks soooo much more. Also, this isn't one sided, yet. It might yet become one and it possibly should be, but it's not.
- RedMage: I want to make this abosolutely clear: I AM VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE BETTER MAGIC SYSTEM. Not because i am FFVII fanboy or any of the other various things that voting for something vaguely related to VII instantaniously make me in some people's eyes.
- Masamune: The reason I couldn't play FFVIII for more than the first few hours was the Draw System. That and wooden characters, a generally confused plot line and an exhaustingly repetitive battle system...but mostly the Draw system. And even though there are better magic systems in Final Fantasy, I didn't mind Materia that much. Plus it contributed to the story.
- MYVizm: i liked materia much better than the draw system. that one confused me ^^
- Rabid Biscuit: I hated FFVIII. Draw was one of the reasons. VII wasn't my favorite either, but Materia meant that anyone could learn practically anything, and that's pretty cool.
- Pikmin Master: I don't like either. But I hate Draw more, looking at Spoony's video.
- Chocolancer: ooooohh...shiny materia <drools>, even though its immensely time-consuming to level up materia, they're shiny, effective, and switchable to any character so they can use any magic that the materia allows, and its a better alternative to the "learn" magic system
- Alexander Namingway: as much as I respect the draw system I'm going to have to go with materia on this one. I simply allowed for much more versatility and fun combos, especially since you could switch summons around. Looking at the other side, this doesn't look like a one sided fight so far. HOWEVER, please try to make the next fights a bit more of a toss up. I didn't even bother voting last time since I knew it was going to be such a landslide victory for Shiva.
- Gaming-King:Draw sucks man, Materia all the wayand its a BETTER MAGIC SYSTEM .
- Adam mcduck: Draw was annoying as you could draw 9 magic in one turn and then 1 the next and then all you get is 1 until you end up killing your foe. It can take ages to get magic. Materia is also more storylined I guess - it is a part of the story and it itself has a history.
- Bluesilver: i hated draw and it is the main reason that i don't really play FFVIII and i think that the materia system was quite good itself.
- Darkling692: I hated FF VIII for a lot of reasons, Draw was one of those reasons. Materia on the other hand is not that bad. At least I liked the feeling that I was collecting some kind of jewels.
- HIMBO:DUHHH!
- tomtheroadkill: Despite the fact there was some good magic in FF8 using Draw, Materia still wins it for me!
- Xadren: I vote Materia because I like the way I must organize it and the way I can link different types of Materia in order to have the best effects. Beside in FF8 I always looked at how much spells I had...it was a torture!
- Drake: I can't stand how people say that the reason Draw is better is because it's "better for your gaming skills/rep (okay, this really shouldn't be in quotes because I'm putting together a few of them) by drawing 100 spells than leveling up materia." First of all, this is untrue. I was able to have Squall get 99 Thundagas by the end of Disc 2. I was able to get the same number of Firagas with Zell by halfway through the same disc! I never mastered any materia in Final Fantasy VII except for Chocobo Lure and Restore. And I've played it over five times. And the way materia made some stats go up and some go down gave more dept and strategy to the battle system. It was fun to have to think about whether that Bolt 3 was worth the HP reduction of 20%. In VIII you just wait till you have a hundred of one spell then turn it into another spell. Boring.
- FakeFreedom:Materia was fun to junction and make different combinations to buff your characters. Drawing 11 or more times out of every monster to get 100 of every spell you needed wasn't my idea of fun. it was terrible and should of never been used, don't ever tell me you enjoyed wasting your life away watching the draw animation over and over.
- Shiningrayofdestruction:I'll have to go with the one that doesn't make me want to fling my PS2 into a vat of sulferic acid. Draw is the most annoying thing ever spawned by mankind, so I'm definitely going with materia.
- TacticAngel
Anonymous votes
- Draw does suck
- much better than draw
- at least materia makes sense
- Because I don't want to spend all of my time trying to figure out a magic system. it's ridiculous because that ISN'T THE POINT OF THE GAME! It's alot more simple, and can be used for anything than just magic alone, like increasing status, summoning, hell even luring Chocobos. Also I saw where someone mentioned that with Draw you can use enemy attacks.... you can also do that with Materia all in all I don't want a game where the main focus is pretty much the magic system, that's insanely stupid. ofcourse there are downsides like lowering stats by a little and it kind of removes classes like Black, White, Red, and Blue Mages, but hey FFVII is pretty much best by popular vote
- Rainacide - As much as I love both games & both systems of magic, I would have to say Materia. I didn't like the idea that Magic came in stock rather than using MP for consumption. I did love the idea with all the abilities & customizing you could do with the Draw system but Materia wins because you...CUSTOMIZE even more with Materia and the battles are more interesting with Materia. Even though Materia's being reborn may sound funny, it's cool because you can give any character your new or used Materia & get the abilities learned from it. But there is a thing I hated about Materia, the stat reductions. & the fact that the Magic is never learned to the character permanently. If Materia did have that, it would have been a 1 sided fight.
- OMFG another BORING BATTLE AGAIN! what a waste of time... ...anyway Materia will have to get my vote cause it is a really good magic system and is very customisable. And btw we could of at least seen a less one sided battle like excalibur vs masamune.
- The entire system of FF8 was completely broken, and Draw was really a big part of that. I beat the game at level 20 and that was practically without trying. Materia on the other hand could be customized to create a variety of interesting effects, such as Counter+Steal or Chocobo Lure+Encounter Up.
- Unlike the others Im not going to shoot the draw system down. It was pretty cool and interesting, but it has several flaws. the most annoying flaw was the magic was NOT permanent!! I liked how you could use, magic to enhance your stats and all too, but the flaw with that is that you can no longer use that magic, and all the spells taht enhanced stats were good spells for battle too..
- Draw sucks, materia was bearable
- Yumiko: Draw was the reason I only reason I played VIII only once. It took way to long. Materia you can just equip and cast.
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Votes for Draw
- It's more original. The Hexed
- I'll go with the one that's going to lose. Oath to Order
- BH, draw sucks beacuse YOU can't play games with a system that pulls a harder work of the Human mind. Draw is much more original than Materia, and though it's game consists on putting your characters on critical to spam limit breaks, the Draw system is a much better add to the game, which makes it lighter and softer to play. It's easyness is so great that it reaches stupidity. - The Azorean One
- AnonyMan: Dang, I see another extremely one-sided fight coming along. Draw's unique and interesting, but like a lot of VIII's gameplay mechaincs has some flaws. Materia's basic and fine too, but my vote is pretty much personal prefernces to the games themselves, I'd have to flip a coin to flip a coin to deicde if I'd play VII again.
- Mymindislost: Meh. I like Draw. :/
- AzureDrake: I don't like the fact that they just took the magic system in FFVI and just gave it a spherical coat of paint. But anywhos, pity vote 'cuz this is OBVIOUSLY going to be outrun by FFVII.
- Netherith: Numerous reasons: 100 magic Drawn commands more respect in a persons gaming skills then a leveled up Materia overall. Potentially the Draw ability can be more awesome then Materia (nothing says 'owned' then using the enemy's own magic against them). It requires more ability in tactics, patience and foresight to use Draw effectively then it is to use Materia effectively. No Drawn magic is wasted, whilst Materia can be thrown away or simply lost. Never understood how a Materia gave birth to another materia (well, magically I do understand but Drawn magic makes more sense).
- Halpo: I love everything about FF8 better than FF7. The draw system was just one fantastic way to help your characters, and I'd go into detail but the last guy did a much better job at that than me :P Just a side note, someone mentioned magicite being better because it gave stat bonuses, spells, and summons all at once. I'd like to point out if you use the draw system properly it does all the same things.
- SmegHead: At least FFVIII had the balls to try a new style of gameplay. Just rename Materia to Crystal or Magicite and bask in the unoriginality.
- Does anyone care at all?: I don't give a shit about any comparisons between these games and I think the comparisons themselves are just plain retarded. One-sided fights suck.
- User: Sjoerd777:Draw.Why? Cause i hate FF7
- PhoenixDew: Draw may have its 'draw-backs', lol, but I found it more enjoyable, I hated how materia screwed up your stats! -5% hp? WHY??!?!
- bob the geomancer: it was on of the few things i liked about the game
- Faethin: I tend to avoid DNC, but what the heck. Draw gets my vote. I intensely disliked the fact that Materia lowered your stats because... because... actually, why did it do it? It doesn't seem to make sense. And I loved to draw and cast Apocalypse on Ultimecia. Netherith's right, that's very the example next to the definition of "owned" in the dictionary.
- Hiddensilver: Draw gets my vote, mostly because of the Card Mod ability. Much as I love level grinding, the fact that you could develop your characters through a card game that required a bit more thought than just mashing "attack" over and over was a welcome addition to those hours and hours of gaming.
- Ivalicia: Materia was also tedious, if you remember, since it multiplied like crazy after becoming mastered, creating dozens of worthless little level 1 materias.
- The Original MK: Ok, Materia wasn't that bad. I hated how I had to have each character learn the magic in FFVI from magicite; With Materia, I could just equip and cast. That being said, leveling up Materia is a bitch. The magic system in FFVIII just seems more original or realistic(?) and you don't have to grind just to get new magic, you got new magic when you got far enough in the story. I only wished that you could buy also spells as well in FFVIII... Maybe then it won't have such a bad rep.
Anonymous votes
- Draw provides an infinite amount of opportunity for intellectual thought, meta discussion and fits in beautifully with the gameplay system. It's innovative, and while it may have its flaws, at least it isn't some recycled version of the magic system in, I don't know, basically every other FF game that came before it. Draw requires brains to use, that's what makes it brilliant.
- EmuMaster: Ugh. The one that isn't in Final Fantasy 7. Though I hate both of them.
- Exodus: Draw. Materia is SOOOOOO tedious!
- Troy: While I felt that Materia was a better system, I'm giving my vote to Draw because it was unique. FF8 is one of those games that I tried to play years ago, didn't care for it, but need to go back and give it another try since I'm older and perhaps a little better gamer since then.
- For some reason, the materia system annoyed me. It just did. Draw for me.
- I vote for draw mainly because I don't like to use magic alot, so to stock the magic and then junction it to raise stats such as strength and speed is a good idea to me.
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Peanut Gallery
Let put this in the nicest way possible. STOP PICKING FIGHTS THAT ARE ONE SIDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really. I know meteria will win this fight. Just like I know pitting Terra with Rinoa will end with Terra winning. Just like I know Locke would win if he and Squall would fight. Please, next time pick a fight that might have a chance of being evenly matched. Oath to Order 01:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Next week, I'm doing Ramza vs. Delita. That should prove to be interesting. Who will win? The goody-two-shoes aristocrat, or the ambitious usurper? --BlueHighwind 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Wasn't that used already? - Henryacores
- I have a better idea. Why don't we choose the fights the same way we choose featured articles? Some users nominate fights and people vote on them. Better yet, why don't we do that but also change it every week. Make it a "weekly" fight instead of an "update whenever I feel like it" fight? Oath to Order 01:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Are you going to vote, or just whine, Oath? And Henry, its never been done, I just checked. --BlueHighwind 01:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- I want Tifa vs. Rydia next week. I came up with that before all these other ideas. (I think) A lot of other people liked it, so I think it should be done next week.--ChiefKakashi 02:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- AnonyMan: I like the Ramza/Delita idea better seems like less a chance of it being one-sided like I imagine Tifa/Rhydia being. I know Del's pretty popular, but Ramza while not anything special or cool(Not saying he's a bad either) I see alot of love for him. I'd like to see how that turns out
- This doesn't seem as lopsided so far as a lot of popular fights. Its my understanding that both systems are reviled by some and loved by others. I also wouldn't count on democracy working here very well. <3 TacticAngel
Strongly nominate Ramza vs. Delita, Ivalice characters gets too little spotlight; but shouldn't it be in the talkpage?--N.Angeal
How does Draw take more thought? Its tedious busywork. --BlueHighwind 02:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Patience is a virtue my friend --Henryacores
- Patience is for losers. I got things to do. --BlueHighwind 02:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC
- Meh...You spend days writing walkthroughs and you say patience is for losers? I consider that self-attack - Henryacores
- What the Hell is your problem, man? I was just debating a video game. You had to start attacking me. Jesus. What a freak. --BlueHighwind 02:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- BH, a.k.a. The Touchy One--ChiefKakashi 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
To be perfectly honest magicite was a much better system than both of these. It gave stat bonuses, spells, and summons all at once
- ......We waited....a week and a half....for this!?!??!!??!?! And can anyone update the DNC at will now? I would have done it quite some time ago if I knew it was allowed. 8bit BlackMage 02:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. There were a lot of better ones than this.--ChiefKakashi 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Unwritten rule as stated by Crazyswords: Only members of the Wiki Staff can update the DNC. TA gets first dibs out of respect. Then comes Crazyswords, then any other Admin or Mod. I think I may be the only one to actually use that power though. --BlueHighwind 02:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of these boring fights, just end this battle right now and get on with the Ramza vs. Delita fight. - Alcaeus
Here's a little something I'm sure everyone's seen. It's annoying, but shows the Draw system at its "finest." http://youtube.com/watch?v=CiToL55zwRI - Alcaeus
- "This is all I have to say to the fanboys of FFVIII. Watch this video, and FUCK YOU!" A living prophit, that Spoony One is. Man, I wish I had that kind of tech for my FFVIII Review. --BlueHighwind 04:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- That's a very clear and sharp video, no pixelation at all. People whine to much. -- Netherith 05:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- But where's you retort? The Spoony One brings up good points. How can you vote for Draw if you cannot defeat those points with logic, my fellow Mod? --BlueHighwind 06:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Even though I love Spoony and enjoyed his series on FFVIII, he does carry on a bit about the draw system. An experienced FFVII player would not sit there at the first encountered enemy and just draw for an hour. When on the first disc, I usually draw 2 times at most from each enemy I encounter: Draw, Attack, Draw, Attack, enemy defeated, move on. SmegHead 09:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Why is Halpo numbered 1? AzureDrake 05:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Prooblum resolved, now who wants cake? AzureDrake 06:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I just remembered another reason to hate the Draw/Junction system, it makes your characters invincible. Now add the fact that Squall's Limit already dishes out extreme amounts of damage, max STR means that all of the monsters/bosses can be killed in only a few hits. What's the fun in that? - AlcaeusTheWizard 06:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll try to make mine and Oath's message as clear as possible. STOP THE DAMN ONE-SIDED FIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are just stupid, lame and childish IMO. And I don't care whatever you say about wanting to continue, just please stop them and end it now and for all. Seriously. Thank you, and have an emo free day. TheSwordofDoubt 11:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Since the score is currently 12 to 11, I'd hardly call this a one-sided fight. Unless all the FFVII fanboy anons come out of the woodwork, this is shaping to be a close contest. And the DNC is supposed to just be a fun community activity to welcome new contributors to the wiki, it's not going to ruin your life to have this up for a week. You and Oath need to grow up a little. SmegHead 11:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Why does everyone on this wiki hate FFVII? Every debate that even mentions FFVII instantly gets a million supporters to the other side just out of spite. You don't care about the issue. You're not thinking. You're just voting to beat one single game. And no fights with FFVII in them are ever one-sided. You know why? Its because of the FFVII haters. Which there are far too many on this wiki. I have nothing but respect for Crazyswords in this vote. He voted for the better system. I also support Neherith, he voted for what he believed in. But as for the rest of you. You're a bunch of dense, prejudiced, idiots. Get over it. FFVII is liked better than the other games. So what? --BlueHighwind 14:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Just in case that was directed at me BH, I don't dislike FFVII, it is a great game. But I honestly enjoy FFVIII more, and admire the leaps it took to originality. SmegHead 23:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- And if that was at me, I don't hate FF VII either. How can I? I've never played it. But neither do I love it. All I can do is respect it from afar, because I will never be able to play it. TheSwordofDoubt 14:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
So far so good....--Nellolipop
- Nelo where did that come from -.- "Nellolopop" lol AzureDrake 15:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Superaeon35: Actually ive never played either of these games through. (on my first time ever on ff7, god bless the psp hackers, and tryin to get ff8) till then i cant vote.
I'm surprised at how "close" this fight is. It's not like last fight where Shiva got 20 votes in half a second and Mateus got maybe 2 in a few days. This one might be worth watching, though it's quickly becoming less balanced.--ChiefKakashi 04:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not that surprised. There are a few things that I do when choosing a fight, most of which I think are taken from CSM's cue; ensure the participants do not appear often, try not to do something thats been done before, try not to do something too self-indulgent, and lastly the fairness. Its often hard to judge the last one. Most of the suggestions on the talk page are one or more of these problems. In short, I will take your demand under advisement, as Col. Tighe said. --TacticAngel 11:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- This, however, is the exception. Most of the fights have been one-sided crapfests.--ChiefKakashi 19:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- For reference, see: Week 56, Week 55, Week 54, Week 53... 8bit BlackMage 23:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, you have nobody to blame but yourselves. You are the voting public after all. Its your desicion about how one-sided these fights are. So quit whining. I have to say that Cecil deserved more votes in my Paladin fight, but I guess the old school FF crowd just wasn't up to voting that week. --BlueHighwind 23:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- To that end, Agrias beat Ashe. I wonder how Agrias v. Beatrix would come out. As far as 8bit, OoO, and tSoD, find something else to do or something else to complain about. Nothing's changing.--TacticAngel 00:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- BH, you don't make sense. We didn't choose the fights, so how is it the voting public's fault for voting in a poll whose identity is out of their control? Anyway, the nomination system has changed, and I would love to see an Agrias vs. Beatrix fight. 8bit BlackMage 00:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- It has? I didn't vote on it. --TacticAngel 04:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
@8-bit: I though we chose the fights. Agrias vs Beatrix sounds good, someone suggest it, if they've not already (shitty conection won't let me load the suggestions page just now) also, what's with all the emnity towards BH? At least he actually puts fights up for us instead of deciding to do something more personaly benefitial RedMage
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