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#The Emperor is a vicious, heartless, merciless, cunning bastard you want to stab in the eye. Simply put he is an amazing villain, probably one of the best in all FF games, despite his pretty cliched motive.. [[User:theWOL|theWOL]] 14:38, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
#The Emperor is a vicious, heartless, merciless, cunning bastard you want to stab in the eye. Simply put he is an amazing villain, probably one of the best in all FF games, despite his pretty cliched motive.. [[User:theWOL|theWOL]] 14:38, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
#What's with the damn long explanations? [[User:Lolcakes|<font color=#660088 size=3 face=gothice>L</font>]][[User_talk:Lolcakes|<font color=#660088 size=3 face=gothice>C</font>]] 10:10, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

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Week 176: The Emperor v. Galenth Dysley

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You are Nick Machiavelli. You wrote a book about some royal son. A lot of people thought you were a real jerk for it, but two notable leaders both read it: The Emperor and Galenth Dysley. Their empires are about to clash. Their forces, while different, offer them no true advantage of the other. In military might and economic strength they are equals, but they are ruled by two very different men. Who embodies the cunning, the wisdom, and the necessary duplicity to win? WINNER!

Votes for The Emperor

  1. Cool, my fight got in! Anyway, I'm voting for the Emperor because it took several cities worth of resistance to finally take him and his army down. And when you think he is finally gone... BOOM he comes back and is stronger than ever! He also destroyed several cities and killed multiple playable characters. (even if it was indirectly). Finally, it took the Ultimate magic and the protagonists journey to "heck" to take him down for good. Dysley may have been fought multiple times, but he died before the last boss. The Emperor IS the last boss of FF2. Dysley may have indirectly killed many people though the Purge, but no cities were destroyed. His actions ALMOST destroyed Cocoon, but were ultimately unsuccessful. Also it took the combined might of many to form the resistance that took down the Emperor, but Dysley was stopped by six Pulse L'cie. I think Dysley is a powerful antagonist, but the Emperor beats him here. Also, I feel like Emperor Mateus is going to need the votes. --Time Master 01:01, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  2. He goes to hell, beats up Satan, and becomes the emperor of Hell in an instant. Soon enough, he raises Pandaemonium onto the surface, and this is like, all, in the last three-four hours of gameplay. Before this party gets started he's busy taking out the rest of the world, laying three kingdoms and three small villages to waste in his wake. He ordered the construction of an airship which eliminated large amounts of the population in four towns, and devised cunning plans, such as poisoning the water for the Wyverns. He's a bit gruesome and cruel, but it's clear that this is what leads him to victory against anything that isn't a playable character. --InsanityBringer 02:08, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 02:22, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Meh.Dogurasu 05:18, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  5. The Emperor is a vicious, heartless, merciless, cunning bastard you want to stab in the eye. Simply put he is an amazing villain, probably one of the best in all FF games, despite his pretty cliched motive.. theWOL 14:38, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  6. What's with the damn long explanations? LC 10:10, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. 07:50, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for Galenth Dysley

  1. Koharu Nami 00:53, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  2. DuhAlVan 02:00, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3. I always thought Dysley was inspired by Machi. SquallRocks 06:28, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Yeah, Duh. Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 06:37, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  5. This man created a web of lies so magnificient, only he himself still knew what was the truth. This feat is beyond impressive, and deserves all my respect. MirrorshardSceada 08:26, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Just because I think the Emperor will demolish him, I swear myself to the superpope. Plus he has a rocking battle theme! 08:24, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Transformers, Primarchs in disguise! # 09:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

Week 175: Tifa Lockheart v. Setzer Gabbiani

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Pull the lever, watch the reels and see which of these gamblers gets lucky! A barrage of Chocobos, a barrage of bombs, or a barrage of good old-fashioned fists and feet. But which of these slot-playing fan-favs truly has Lady Luck's ear? WINNER!

Votes for Tifa

  1. Koharu Nami 04:00, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Tifa Lockhart is great in DDFF and in Advent Children so my vote goes to her! --TerraBranford145322 09:09, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Why are peope focusing on what Tifa has become? In the original she was still an excellent character, and the fact she has become overrated should not remove from that. She's still my favourite. Hamfruitcake 09 14:06, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Don`t remeber much about Setzer.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite 14:41, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. My life is a chip in your—SHUT UP! Tifa all the way!!! - DFF Cosmos Piece The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece 00:26, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  6. I'm not a fan of either character, but i do like VII more than VI. TheWOL 14:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  7. People complain about Tifa becoming nothing more than an object for male pleasure. Yet when other characters like Prishe, Terra, or Lightning. get some rather revealing outfits, it's OOGAAGAAGAA all the way... If you ask me, I think some of us are being a bit hypocritical. Razordash09:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  8. --BiggsandWedge 10:03, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  9. Tifa breaks the stereotype of the damsel in distress by being able to take care of herself, and while I love Setzer, his speech patterns annoy me just a little. Oh, and of course, there's the matter of Tifa's boobs, but then she just becomes Cloud's arm candy. Tia-Lewise 11:52, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I grew up with Final Fantasy VII and Tifa was always my favourite character. I never got to play FFVI so my vote goes to Tifa. --Sencilia 13:26, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Really hard to decide! LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon 19:38, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  12.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 20:42, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Damn it, I forgot to vote in Cecil vs Kain (way too hard to decide). Both of these characters have their good and bad aspects, and while I much prefer 6 to 7 in general, I'm going to have to go with Tifa, if only in protest for the use of that awful Kingdom Hearts 2 version of Setzer -.- capefeather 23:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Have yet to play FFVI Vercery 23:59, June 16,2011 (UTC)
  15. I always add her for my FFVII team. --ClixPsi 02:32, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Haven't played vi yet.Metroidrules231 08:00, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Because I'm a man. LC 10:21, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Because Setzer disappointed me in KHII, and Tifa has to put up with Cloud's nonsense in the same game. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2 13:33, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  19. MMLN メーマウリアン 00:52, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  20. --BlueHighwind 03:19, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  21. When fighting the three Turks I had already beaten Reno and Rude with Tifa's Limit Break's lesser punches and kicks, when Tifa got Final Heaven against Elena. You can't end a boss fight much more cooler way... Vohaul86 08:23, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  22. Close one but I like Tifa that little bit more. John_Harper 17:19, June 18, 2011 (GMT)
  23. Here's to many great hours of Tifa/Scarlet domshipping. Nice strategy of using the non-hideous non-Amano art to try and get someone to vote for Mr. Pockfaced Git, shows how much faith you have in the guy. --AuronKaizer! 23:22, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  24. Tifa, unlike Setzer wasn't flamboyant and also, Tifa has the sexy skills, that Setzer did not. Also, her reels always come out with better outcomes for me. Just saying. XxGuado_SeymourxX 02:55, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  25. [insert joke about Tifa's slots here] - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:11, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  26. For more OUTSTANDING appearances in a thousand of Square midia and for her fight Advent Children. (There's no way Setzer gonna defeat Tifa... She's a girl!) --Master Lamington 05:41, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Tifa rocks Biziorek 09:40, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  28. Dunno who the other guy is and Tifa was in 012 XD (LiancoZ 10:46, June 20, 2011 (UTC))
  29. Her fight scene with Loz in AC is plain epic. SquallRocks 14:37, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  30. TIFA!!!--Hotdragon 295 19:11, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  31. No contest. RenoZellRikku 00:21, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Kaintheflaminglancer 16:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC) Who doesn't love Tifa?
  33. She is the only VII character who mangages to be awesome and still be the same person in every installment of the CompilationAlVan 20:21, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
  34. Not a big fan of either, but I still like Tifa more. --RazielZero 23:20, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
  35. Tifa's just badass like that. --Marael 18:59, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Same reason as 2.--ZexionFan321 06:26, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  37. GlassAngel13 20:56, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Haven't played ffvi yet, so I don't really know what Setzer is like, but i liked Tifa in ffvii so that's who i'm going withTheKingOfHearts 21:37, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
  39. I love Tifa,Go Tifa go
  40. Tifa are allways on my party untill rocket town brcause of the damage she causes with her limit breake. I prefere Cid due to that his limit hits all/is easier to target at specifics. Setzer's not my type of char, and I'm not owerly impressed with his airship interface The Rood Inverse 12:11, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  41. Tifa sucker punched Scarlet, so my vote goes to her. Setzer is also part of that whole "including unecessary characters to the party" thing Final Fantasy VI had going. Discordius Erisianus 14:52, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  42. Her fight scene with Loz in Advent Children was very well done, and she bitch slapped the shit out of Scarlet. Not to mention Kingdom Hearts II successfully ruined my perception of Setzer... --XOneWingedAngelx 21:31, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  43. She's hot, has high damage dealing potential, a mind gamer's dream character in Dissidia, and has a nice theme song. Makoenergy99 20:52, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  44. No Contest i cant get a boner from the guy i don't even know.User:l'cieBeast6:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  45. tifa definitely tifa win for sure !!!!!!
  46. tifa is one bad ass chick my vote for tifa!!!!user:kirbyy9 11:33, July 5, 2011 (utc)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I only know Tifa
  2. I liked Setzer's backstory with Daryl, but I wished he had gotten more development. He was interesting. Tifa will always be one of my favorites, behind Fang and Yuna. I have to go with her.
  3. I only know Tifa as well, but using the argument of her becoming a fan-service model, and ignoring what she was before, Setzer was reduced to nothing in KH2. Aside from that, Tifa was extremely kick-ass (figuratively and literally) in her game, and I appreciate her as a female character, where she had depth, was tough, and wasn't obnoxious as the others could be. 16:04, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. 11:48, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Tifa it's very cool, in AC she is too strong and cool
  6. I like Setzer, and probably prefer VI but I found him disappointing, he was just there really, you acquire him by interupting a kidnapping event and steal his ship and then trick him, and he just goes along with it enthusiastically. He does make up for this, but damn KH2 killed him. Tifa all the way, shes a great character, her popularity is merited
  7. 20:58, June 17, 2011 (UTC)Tifa kicks ass!
  8. 21:02, June 18, 2011 (UTC)Even as a Boxy low polygon model Tifa was still hot. I never saw a good picture of ANY of the girls from 6 apart from their amano artwork.And Tifa kept Her personality in KH2.
  9. I doubt Setzer could defeat Tifa in a one-on-one. He's a great character and fun to use but he just isn't all that reliable.
  10. Great punch.
  11. Tifa's hair is in a dolphin tail... and... dolphins rock. # 00:08, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Setzer really doesn't poke my interest. Never used him in my party unless necessary, along with dumass Locke. Tifa, on the other hand, always made my party with Cloud and Vincent/Red XIII. And NOT because of her aesthetics, it's just because I like her.
  13. Setzer is an alright guy but this can't even be considered a contest. Tifa is a strong willed martial artist whose fame in FF series has her gain more popularity than Setzer could ever amass. While I disagree with this perpective despite being a male her hotness has a great deal to do with her popularity. And in regards to the subtle FF6 vs FF7 that underlays this conflict, technically it should be a draw but it isn't (FF7)! Tifa is also kinda hilarious. (FF7 stair climbing scene, Epic Funny my fair lady) Tifa got into Duodecim, was considered for the original Kingdom Hearts BEFORE Setzer and in any top 10 countdown concerning FF characters, Tifa somehow makes the top 5(She even managed to beat out Cloud and Sephiroth in one countdown in IGN I think...). Plus there are two obvious reasons that Tifa will win this. Personality and Punching.
  14. 07:37, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Never reached Setzer in FFVI , but played/watched everything that had Tifa in it , so she gets my vote. June 29,2011
  16. What's with people keep saying Tifa's reputation getting ruined? It's not like it is favored by the masses and is her real personality. What can you do? She just looks that way. Its pretty foolish to judge someone based on the bad rumors that obviously does only apply for the pervs. This battle, my vote goes to Tifa.
  17. Tifa wins for me. But if it was against Lightning I would choose lightning
  18. Both are highly nostalgic, and Setzer is a great and useful character, but something about Tifa makes me want to cheer her on. She's persistent and strong-willed without being pushy, but she isn't afraid to show vlnerability.

Votes for Setzer

  1. Hehehe :/  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 07:33, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Setzer has had his fair share of good moments in VI and is one of the most important characters in the World of Ruin. Tifa however has been reduced to naught but fanservice in the recent years, and that is just sad. MirrorshardSceada 07:37, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  3. MSS puts it nicely. * 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 08:00, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Normally, I'd vote for Tifa, as I've actually managed to perfect her "slots" a few times, but I think I'm gonna go with Setzer. I just loved him in VI, he owns an airship, and anyone that can kill something with cards or darts gets kudos points in my book. King of Noobs 13:09, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I don't hate Tifa but she has way too much overrated fanservice and cosplay (Which always annoys me) Not to mention Setzer has the only airship in the world, that says something about how much power he has over all the "Normal citizens and snooty rich guys in Jidoor" Moogleknight24 13:35, June 15, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24
  6. Rictisempra 15:23, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. This is slot, the other one is a Sl*tSΓΣamyGoreng 10:06, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Because he was my main fighting force in The World of Ruin. I love Tifa don't get me wrong, and my Tifa in Duodecim is actually my best fighter. But I feel Seltzer is a very underrated character. Get the fixed dice, regular dice, the offering, and the genji glove, he's a recipe for total annihilation. Plus he wears a purple trench coat and that endears him to meBahamut knows best 11:19, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  9. Well, this fight is a bit unbalanced... Yeah, Tifa has skills with gambling, but she is a fighter after all... Setzer is a born gambler. He uses dices, slots and cards to fight. In duodecim, Tifa is one of my favourite characters, I love her, and her look, but this fight is the gamblers fight. If it was a brawlers fight, I'm sure my vote would fly to Tifa, but this time, Setzer is the ace. He throws dices like noone does! (AND HE HAS AN AIRSHIP WHAT FUNCTIONS AS A CASINO?!?!?!Tifa, just take a nap now!)--Lonely Wild Rose Rose 12:04, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Setzer all the way Balthierfan 16:38, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  11. His Slots were actually unique. In addition to being a far, far, far cooler and more interesting character. He's got style, something Tifa doesn't, and the only airship in VI's world...then the OTHER only airship later. A pimp, plain and simple. Tifa's not even a good "tough girl" RPG character, much better examples who came before her. AnonyMan 21:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Setzer gets my vote because he has a unique way of fighting, i.e with darts/cards in addition to his slots. Also, he has an interesting backstory and owns the world's only airship. He was an original idea and a significant character. I think Tifa's alright, but Setzer takes the cake in this fight. --Time Master --Time Master 21:21, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Although I don't really like either of them, I like him more than Tifa. MystRay
  14. I'm going with setzer, tifa already gets lots of attention, plus setzer's funnier Pzykosiz 08:09, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Ante up! --Silver Mage 16:02, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Oh how can i forget Setzer and abandon him like this? One of my favourite characters in FFVI. I also played FFVII but Tifa isn't awesome as Setzer ^^ Khorne_IV
  17. If you're talking about gamblers, Setzer is the top pick. He probably knows Lady Luck's phone number, I mean the guy makes his life about gambling. Maykite 09:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  18. No contest for me. It's Setzer. He is The Wandering Gambler - Tifa isn't a gambler, she is a monk. If we're going on slots, Setzer wins with 7 Flush; if we're going on weapons, Setzer wins with Fixed Dice or Doom Darts or Final Trump. Setzer is a unique character with a few mysteries and his world's only airship. Tifa has... well, we know what she has. And it doesn't work for me. Setzer is the winner! Dogurasu 06:01, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  19. The Original FF Gambler :) AtmaCrisis 09:23, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  20. First I wondered what reason these two could be put up against each other. Setzer easily wins in my opinion. - Metusylc0304 14:37, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Setzer is obviously the better slot user, besides looks like Setzer will need votes...FFVIfan 20:53, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  22. I'm going to skip being cliche by commenting on his fighting prowess or what he chooses as a weapon, etc. Setzer was just an awesome guy to me, and his sprite when he prepared for battle was priceless. --Gunji 20:13, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  23. FFVI still has a special place in my heart.Mynameissora 08:25, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  24. If this battle came down to magic, Setzer wins hands down. He can learn and retain every spell in the game, where as Tifa is limited to the spells attached to the materia she's equipped with. Plus, Setzer can use his slots at any time. Tifa can only rely on hers during a limit break.Servonut 15:47, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  25. Setzer is to awsome for words.--Dancing Maddness 13:01, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  26. He fights with cards, dice, and darts (though he's at his most stylish when he has the cards and dice). He's probably one of the coolest looking characters out there. How can I not vote for him?--InsanityBringer 16:50, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  27. DRevan64 Tifa is going to win by virtue of tits, so I'm going to vote for Setzer by virtue of sexilicious silver hair. Also, I love a gambling man. 2:49, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Tifa has neither Dice nor Darts as weapons, so... my vote goes to Setzer.
  2. 21:22, June 17, 2011 (UTC)I don't really understand the nature of this competition; slots are the only qualification for being a gambler? I don't see Tifa "gambling" so much as "focusing" on her limit break...there's certainly none of the "casino" aspect. Cait Sith or Selphie should have gone up against Setzer. To me, Tifa is easily the better character, but that's not what we're deciding here, is it?
  3. The best romantic (in the true sense of word) character ever. He feint coolness and such, but he's such a sad and nostalgic guy inside, not really belonging to the times he lives in. Plus, his music theme (with a lot of variations) is the main ending theme. Nothing else to add really.
  4. Setzer has a damn casino in his airship and he makes quotes about life. Also, Setzer has Fixed Dice. Tifa is just all fanboys fapping to her.
  5. I choose Tifa at the first sight. But don't you forget this quote: 'Whenever you think you're right, you're wrong'. So my vote goes for Setzer.
  6. Tifa? A Gambler? Don't make me laugh. Setzer invented the Gambler job class, and Tifa can do Slot Machines? As a Limit Break? Setzer can do them anytime like a man. -- 19:34, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I Can't Decide! They're both to epic for words.

I can't choose. Tifa suplexes and beats up everything that she meets up against and is just awesome, and Setzer calls Chocobos, brings down the Airship with H-Bomb, and he's also awesome!

FF needs more Real Slots-using characters. There hasn't been any since Cait Sith. Also Selphie would have been a more fitting choice to go up against Setzer. AnonyMan 21:09, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

There was at least one more after Cait Sith that I know of. And that is Wakka, who used the slots.

Razordash 09:36, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

  1. 21:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC) Not a big fan of this match-up; Tifa's slots are not so much a question of luck, but patience; they move slowly enough for you to guarantee a hit if you are willing to take the time to do it right. It's more like she is focusing her strength rather than relying on luck. Cait Sith and Selphie actually rely on luck in order to get a result from their slots, and would have been a much more appropriate choice for this match-up.

Selphie's Slots weren't really so much down to luck though, it was more about patience as you could just keep redoing them until you got some awesome magic, or if you were really patient, come up with rapture.-->

There is a cheat that can garantee getting the results you want with Selphies limit break (if you have a Playstation 1)

Zack got the DMW-slots in Crisis core. Never been a fan of the random limit breaks... The Rood Inverse 11:44, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with the person above me. It ticks me off that I can't choose when to use the strongest summons in a boss battle but they keep popping up in a normal enemy encounter, like seriously? WTF?! At least with Tifa you get to choose. --Marael 02:11, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Week 174: Kain Highwind v. Cecil Harvey

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King Cecil
Kain Highwind
40 1/2 to 32 1/2
I don't think these two need any introduction. They are titans of their jobs. WINNER!
Kain Highwind
40 1/2 to 32 1/2

Votes for the Dragoon

  1. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 03:58, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Rough choice, but Kain is awesome in TAY. Jimcloud 04:08, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. --Wedge Cocoon sig (of Biggs&Wedge)04:27, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi 04:54, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. In the original FFIV game both were equally cool, but in The After Years Kain Kicked way more ass than Cecil who was under mind control most of the game. GO HOLY DRAGOON!!! President Rufus Shinra 19:58, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  6. While I disliked Kain in IV and liked Cecil, in Duodecim it is exactly the other way around: Cecil gets on my nerve, while Kain redeemed himself. As such, this vote goes to the Duodecim Kain. MirrorshardSceada 06:23, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  7. He can freaking JUMP AND SPEAR YOUR HEAD!!! What can cecil do, Defend?SΓΣamyGorengGoreng 12:04, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  8. This is a tough one but I'm playing Darksiders and Liam O'Brien and Mark Hamill are the greatest voice over duo for any video game, period.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 14:21, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  9. As much as I like Cecil in IV, Kain takes the cake here. And in Duodecim. And the AFter Years.--Uzuki18 14:34, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  10. As characters, it's definitely Kain. Though it was really hard because both of them has an awesome voice actor. Kain - Gaara (Naruto) and Lloyd (Code Geass). Cecil - Sasuke (Naruto) Suzaku (Code Geass). --RazielZero 15:09, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Well, I don't like Cecil... and Kain is badass. LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon 16:42, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  12. The original and ultimate Dragoon. Balthierfan 17:04, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Ooh! Tough one this week, but my vote goes to the dragoon, better than cecil in 012 and white magic to boot. Primal Link 19:16, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Kain is better than Cecil in IV, TAY, and 012. MystRay 19:19, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Kain would probably win. Ason Brozen 9:33, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Lance of the covenant! LC 11:55, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Because Kain has so much depth and makes for a great hero/antihero. Nokareon 23:59, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Kains a dragoon thats all there is to it. User:l'cieBeast 21:15, May 27 2011 (UTC)
  19. Kain is way better than Cecil. Not only are Kain's abilities better (Dragoon vs. Paladin), but I felt more sympathy towards Kain. His own jealousy towards Cecil leads to many of the events, and nobody seems to forgive him, even when he repents. Also, he looks better than Cecil. User:violagirl33
  20. Kain kicks ass. Also, I like playing as him in 012 more than Cecil. XxRikku-chanxX 22:22, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Both characters hold about the same amount in my heart, however, when it comes to choosing between them, I do have to side with Kain on this one, just seeing as the Dragoon class for me, was always the better skilled class and much more versatile in the games, especially in IV. So, Kain has it in this match. XxGuado_SeymourxX 22:47, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
  22. It's a tough choice, but I think Kain is a deeper character and less of a sissy. RenoZellRikku 04:34, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
  23. Rinoa Leonheart 05:01, May 30, 2011 (UTC) OH YEAH
  24. "You offer your life in exchange for their's?" "Of course not, I offer yours." User:DRevan64 07:57 (UTC)
  25. I just like Kain better. Ventusfreak 17:29 (UTC+1)
  26. Another example of why Square suck at choosing the right character to make the main one. Now, things would obviously have been a little different if it were Dark Knight Cecil we was talking about, but no such luck. Kain's awesomeness has been able to withstand copious misuse by way of crappy fangirls. And that's the key. --AuronKaizer! 00:21, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  27. I hated the part in FFIV when Cecil got married to Rosa, never really liked cecil apart from his dark knight half. TheWOL 19:34, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  28. THE Kain --Silver Mage 16:27, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  29. KAIN!!!!!SephirothHighwind 22:12, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  30. MY FAVORITE BADASS DRAGOON!!!! ★Crescent moon★ 11:27, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
  31. I couldn't decide, so I held 2 fights between them in Duodecim. Kain won both, so he gets my vote :D YamiNoBahamut 14:25, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Who don't love Kain???--Hotdragon 295 22:07, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  33. Kain excels much better than stupid Cecil in duodecimLelouchlamperouge990 10:41, June 4, 2011 (UTC)lelouchlamperouge990
  34. GlassAngel13 17:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
  35. I use him in my main party in TAY, and he jumps... CheeseNinja 03:26, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Kain is a beast in battle, simple as that. And, in the Advance/Complete Collection, Kain's dark side easily captured Rosa and Cecil in Kain's lunar trial. You can choose to have Kain fight Cecil, and if you watch that scene it's obvious how powerful Kain's true spirit is. And, when Kain double jumps, you can do massive amounts of damage in a short time. Zexion4I4 00:51, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
  37.  Shadow Dissicon ff4 Kain1 03:44, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. 14:30, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. 21:22, May 26, 2011 (UTC)I vote Kain, he's hot and his voice is just awesome~ <3
  3. Kain has better white magic than Cecil and dragoons are pretty awesome. Plus I've always just loved Kain. <3 23:25, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Vote for a man with guts, "All those who challenge me will fall!" 23:41, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Kain is so cool! # 20:18, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  6. 22:12, May 27, 2011 (UTC) Dragoons are better than paladins any day, plus, when Cecil changed from a kick ass dark knight, to a piss weak Paladin, everyone who played that game for the first time (including me) was disappointed.
  7. I love him in Duodecim. 10:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  8. ~~I like both of them, but in my point of view Kain has more depth in his character.-- 12:28, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I like both, but prefer Kain's design. I think he's pretty cool. 03:11, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for the Paladin

  1. I have never liked Kain NeoExdeath 04:14, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:31, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. - Vercery 04:41, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 05:46, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:44, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Mr. Harvey!!! SidVI 09:08, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  7. My vote goes to the Paladin--Koori-san 11:55, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Cecil's more interesting, is around more and has actually proven himself to be pretty awesome. Kain's not a bad character but is just an unremarkable Dragoon and literally nothing special. He's fairly cool, but he was never THAT cool. Ever.AnonyMan 12:07, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I don't like the way Kain stands in the DS version.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 12:14, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  10. lolol Laguna. Also, MOON POWER. --Gunji 14:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  11. I don't get why people like him so much. He wasn't that amazing in IV, I mean, who gets manipulated more than 3 times by the same person? SquallRocks 15:32, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Grr... I can't decide on their epicness, so I'm gonna go with the one I like to play more on Duodecim. I'm not much of an Air Character player, outside of Kuja (that whole gliding thing, ya know.) King of Noobs 21:22, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  13. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:09, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Cecil may be a boring character but he's not horribly overrated. --BlueHighwind 01:46, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Tough choice. But Cecil is cooler. Kain is just... a little too deep for me.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 02:13, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Blue said it all. But Cecil is also not blonde. Discordius Erisianus 05:21, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Yeah tough choice, and the thing is pretty even too so... whatever. I like Kain too, but he just killed off everyone in Duodecim and made the storyline shorter. I like cecil because he can transform between 2 jobs and the combo skills are pretty epic. HighSeraph 08:07, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Kain's kinda annoying. Squall2.0 8:23 May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Kain = TEH EPICNESS, but Cecil is played by Yuri Lowenthal. - DFF Cosmos Piece The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece 22:47, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  20. CardboardBoxMan 07:58, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
  21. He is a dad..... --XxNoctisxx 20:02, May 28, 2011 (UTC)xxNoctisxx
  22. Okay, despite my statement in the Peanut Gallery below, I'm going to cast my vote for the Paladin/Dark Knight Split Soul (for those who have seen him in Dissidia). If only because he's losing.Dogurasu 16:18, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
  23. I'm surprised I continued to main him in 012 - his play style really appeals to me. Plus he has a rockin' second alt. The main issue I have with him though is his rather, uhm, hammy performance. But why? WHHHHHHYYYYYY?! *sobs* BfD t/c 01:07, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  24. I love both characters, FFIV is one of my favourite FF Games. But Cecil is the superior warrior here and we all know that, besides he is Kain's King! KaiserPaladin 07:50, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  25. I killed Chaos with like two hits with this guy. Palidin Force>Jump. Other than that, they are both pretty cool I've only started IV so can't say much more.AlVan 21:37, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Cecil can fly! XD Mynameissora 13:17, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Kain is too much of an idiot to win. Seriously, pick a side and stick to it, Mr so-called Dragoon. Flicky1991 14:24, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  28. I'm voting for Cecil on this one. Kain "betrayed" the party too many times for me to support him. Plus, his character didn't seem to have nearly as much depth as Cecil's. Finally, There are many Dragoons in the final fantasy series, but there is only ONE person who is both a Dark Knight and a Paladin. Kain can't top that. --Time Master 03:35, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
  29. Because as much as I dislike Cecil I dislike Kain infinitely more. Bahamut knows best 12:10, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
  30. Cecil could easily kick Kain's assPzykosiz 00:45, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Cecil all the way! He's one of my favourite FF characters...that, and I never really liked Kain much..-- 11:48, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Tough choice, as they are both great characters, but I've always taken more kindly to Cecil than to Kain. Cecil's story was just more sympathetic and you saw him grow as a character. That's not to say Kain didn't either and that if he was the protaganist of IV I'd be saying the same thing about him that I'm now saying about Cecil, but I just feel that Cecil is the stronger character, and I don't mean in terms of strength. Cecil has misgivings, he has regrets, he has to do things that he doesn't want to do, but he takes all that pain and suffering and carries on anyway, while with Kain it enables him to be mind controlled. Yes, he eventually threw it off, but to have never fallen down that path even with all his suffering, Cecil just takes the cake for me. 19:22, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. 00:02, May 27, 2011 (UTC) As much as I would love to say Kain, Cecil's voice in the DS version was beautiful, and Kain fell behind on the list of awesome characters when Edge, Rydia, Edward, and Yang came into the picture. Love them both, but Cecil leads just by a hair.
  4. Hate Kain, love Cecil..Nuff said..-- 09:35, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I now have TWO fight suggestions that made it! (Huzzah!) Anyway, Cecil all the way. He isn't a total jerk the whole game. -- 19:32, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

1. Calling it now. It's gonna be a draw.

Possibly. These are two of the few characters around here who are really popular with very few ire around them. Even Vivi has haters(Haters gonna hate in this case). But I'm thinking Kain will edge out for the win. AnonyMan 12:00, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  1. I can't vote on this one because I can't tell who is more badass - in the DS version, my Cecil fought Odin (taking no fewer than three Zantetsuken hits) practically solo and won; in the same game, Kain took out Zeromus with his last attack and at 1 HP.
That was deep, whoever it was that posted above me. --Gunji 14:08, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Just to clarify things just in case some people incorrectly state, Kain wasn't The First Dragoon, Ricard(or Richard) from FF2(the real FF2) was. AnonyMan 18:44, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps but Kain was the first 'Standard' dragoon or debatably the dragoon that others are based on - spears, jump, dragon helm, etc. Balthierfan 11:10, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Not quite, Dragoons were in FF3 and that's when they finally got Jump to cement their style and motif. Kain may have made the class more popular but he didn't bring anything else to it. AnonyMan 12:06, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
And let's not forget that Final Fantasy IV was Final Fantasy II for us Americans, so he is OUR first Dragoon. King of Noobs 17:45, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Actually FFII is the original FF in America, so still Ricard.
Er, no. I, IV and VI were the first three released in America. II wasn't released for quite a while. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:07, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
That's true. however, we have the internet and this is a Final Fantasy information site. Anyone can easily look up Dragoons and know Kain still wasn't the original. AnonyMan 21:24, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
When you grew up playing Final Fantasy, did you have much access to the Internet? Did this site even exist when the SNES was in its prime? The simple fact, no matter what information may be out there, nostalgia over-rules almost everything. That's why many will still call Kain the first Dragoon. King of Noobs 21:33, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hahah I always laugh at the anonymous voters bc they have the LONGEST explanations. SquallRocks 20:57, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

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