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Week 319: Late 19th Century Fashion Week: Ramuh vs. Cid Pollendina[]

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14½ to 4
For those who are unaware, growing a beard is a bit like growing a plant: you need to care for it every day, give it lots of care, water it every two days, put it in the sun, and talk to it often. Unfortunately, I've been following these steps to the letter and I still haven't created a beard large enough to be a sentient creature that could consume a small African nation. However, these two do.

So let the fight begin! Who will be the last beard growing? Whatever the result, I'm sure it will be…Ramuhsing.

14½ to 4

Votes for Ramuh, the Long Majestic Beard Grower[]

  1. That is no beard, that is a continent of hair. --BlueHighwind 22:39, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
  2. From how it's animated, it's clear that that beard is its own lifeform. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:18, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Cid IV is lame, ugly, and that fake death... and Ramuh has an awesome theme song. Monterossa (talk) 02:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Who is the leading force here: the man or the beard? (I think it is the second). JC Holy Knight (talk) 03:07, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  5. this beard shoots lightning, and I know we all wish we could shoot Lightning. C A T U S E 04:14, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  6. In the end, heroes are also human. Mierna 05:58, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Because this landslide is going to be hilarious.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 08:35, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Actually voting for Catuse this time. --I’m Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 12:50, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Fear the beard. But seriously my favorite lightning summon. Zhor7 (talk) 22:11, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Ramuh is always one of my most nostalgic summons as he was the first summon in my first ff game. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:47, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  11. I find FFIV's Cid to be a very interesting and appealing character, but Ramuh should get the duke. Not just for facial hair that puts Duck Dynasty to great shame, but as an overall majestic character in the entire FF franchise!Free bird (talk) 23:00, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
  12. GoldenChocobo 14:24, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
  13. If you listen to "Thunder Rolls" then you'll understand. Cid's likeable, but when it comes down to it Ramuh is immortal and Cid is goin' on his late seventies I belive.(Plus, Judgement Bolt is cooler than any of Cid's moves.) NoctisXV (talk) 15:24, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  14. Can I say something? great. IM WHAT UNIVERSE WOULD A GUY WITH A HAMMER EVER BEAT A GOD!? ...I needed that. --TheDawnFan (talk) 19:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. The many Cids that came after were doomed to spiral further into the Nomura-realm of clean shaven boy-toys. 10:53, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for Cid, the Short Triumphant Beard Grower[]

  1. At least this beard hasn't start forming plans to take over its host organism. King of Noobs 23:34, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi (talk) 10:42, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Gotta vote for the Santa beard. Miyuron (talk) 12:35, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Pzykosiz (talk) 07:22, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Peanut Gallery[]

Take over? Ramuh's beard is benevolent! -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:19, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually moving to a new housing development inside Ramuh's beard. The rates are decent, the rooms are clean, and the electricity comes free. Looking for a roommate though, anybody interested? --BlueHighwind 15:53, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

I would, but I am scared that things might get a bit hairy at times? ;) TMG- Why? (talk) 20:55, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
i'm kinda disappointed in myself for laughing at that Pzykosiz (talk) 07:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a really bald joke, isn't it? ;) TMG- Why? (talk) 17:50, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Nice FFIX reference of an FFII reference Mierna. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:45, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ramuh vote #14: The guy with a hammer can beat a god if this guy is a god too (see Thor). JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:21, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Also, considering the large number of "mundanes" beating "gods" in various games throughout gaming history, I'd almost always put my money on the "mundane." King of Noobs 01:04, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Week 318: Last Man Standing Round 70: Bartz vs. Bahamut[]

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14 to 10
14 to 10
For his fourth fight in Last Man Standing, that Bartz guy we found makes a habit of fighting things he's already beaten before. This time he faces Bahamut, lord of dragons, who has equally proven his might in the category of necks. Espying Bartz leveraging his titles to earn votes, Bahamut has ensured that he will be likewise garbed. Between these two strange competitors, who will be the victor? Who will be the Last Man Standing?

Votes for that Bartz you bought at a yard sale and don't know what to do with[]

  1. This Bartz cost me five bucks; moreover, it follows from stupid sexy Amano artwork that I gotta vote. C A T U S E 04:46, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  2. I could say that Bahamut is a pain in the neck, but he isn't really. I just like Bartz. TMG- Why? (talk) 06:03, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Bartz will suplex Bahamut. Monterossa (talk) 06:13, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  4. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:15, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Pzykosiz (talk) 09:14, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Five bucks? I paid 20 euros! D: At least he's worth the money. By the way, I start loving Jimcloud for those amazing titles. --I’m Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 09:25, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  7. King of Noobs 12:37, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  8. This Bartz looks fantastic on my mantlepiece. My wife said it was a waste of money, but I kept the Bartz in the divorce. She can keep the kids. --BlueHighwind 17:28, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Go, go, slay the dragon! Miyuron (talk) 03:32, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
  10. --ClixPsi (talk) 04:45, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Like all enemies who dare to step to the Light Warriors, Bahamut can't handle getting crushed with Gil. There's also something about being way cooler and funnier as well. But the specifics are lost on me at the moment.--AnonyMan (talk) 11:57, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
  12. Let's see...the Brave Blade! No, maybe the Chicken knife. To heck with it! I can just mimic Bahamut NoctisXV (talk) 02:30, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
  13. Pretty sure Bahamut would not look fabulous in the Dancer outfit EDIT: Confirmed -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 14:31, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. It just keeps getting more hilarious.... 15:10, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Many other challengers wish they had more novelty value than a top-of-the-line Bartz. 08:53, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for Bahamut, lord of necky reptiles[]

  1. Screw Bartz.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 11:57, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Bartz is okay Fëasindë Peth 15:43, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Voting for the Dragon.Free bird (talk) 17:41, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  4. The Great Dragon!!!! Zhor7 (talk) 20:51, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  5. I won't vote for Barfs--Ffgamesftw (talk) 23:51, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
  6. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 04:18, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
  7. No, it's the King of Dragons. Datau (talk) 07:48, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
  8. I'd love to go to a yard sale but at the core of it, this guy matters more. Mierna 08:30, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
  9. I like reptiles! GoldenChocobo 14:55, October 4, 2014 (UTC)
  10. JC Holy Knight (talk) 23:40, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Peanut Gallery[]

I don't know what Scathe has, but I'm pretty sure it's contagious. Save yourselves. Jimcloud 04:34, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Too late. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:15, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
I almost fear the day when we have to return to "normal" fights and sayings. King of Noobs 12:37, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
huh? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:40, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
You have made a wise choice, young grasscloud. Now there just need to be themes, and it's perfect. ScatheMote 22:09, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Techno, I'd try, but I don't think Bartz would go for it considering he's already got two princesses for that. ;) (No, not three, Krile's 14 you wierdos) -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:08, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

SHE IS WHAT? Fëasindë Peth 15:42, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
...Well played.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 16:28, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
Why would he even have to resort to his friends, there's a whole town full of stage dancers who're are happy to give it up to him? And the other Light Warriors as well, because they're just that Pimpn' and they don't discriminae.--AnonyMan (talk) 12:00, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
Look, I think we can all agree that Bartz is the biggest pimp in the series. But really, when the choices are stage dancer harem, and princesses, the latter just sounds more impressive.
The point I'm getting at is that there should be a sequel where Bartz takes advantage of that and becomes Pimp King of Tycoon. Sounds like a more interesting story than Legend of the Crystals, at least. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:28, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
I guess you could call him a tycoon of prostitution? C A T U S E 01:34, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Dancer Bahamut does look fabulous... in some way. --I’m Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 15:22, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Week 317: Titular Week: Bahamut v. Shinryu[]

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11½ to 7½
Okay, so today we have a duel between a duality of deadly dragons. You'd think that you might want to compare their strengths, their appearances, or their different powers when making your choice. You'd be wrong.

No, what you should be doing is comparing their necks. Yes, their necks. What do you think this colosseum is for? Do you prefer the long slender neck of Shinryu or the short sturdy neck of Bahamut? Which will be the last neck standing?

11½ to 7½

Votes for Bahamut[]

  1. Mierna 02:38, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  2. King of Noobs 02:52, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  3. --Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 06:58, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  4. I remember one great incarnation of Shinryu, but at least five amazing and memorable incarnations of Bahamut. BURN EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!! --I’m Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 11:37, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Mega Flare was an awesome overdrive in X.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png12:28, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  6. If you haven't played or heard of Final Fantasy XIV, you need to. Look up an "end of an era" and you'll understand NoctisXV (talk) 20:42, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  7. what Flustergras said --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:41, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Caius, the strongest pedophile of all time. Monterossa (talk) 23:04, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  9. --ClixPsi (talk) 00:20, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Shinryu made Dissidia happen. Dissidia has the most confusing and altogether worst storyline of anything Final Fantasy-related. Shinryu thought up that storyline, so Shinryu gets NO VOTES FROM ME!!!!! --BlueHighwind 17:32, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Voting for the King! JC Holy Knight (talk) 02:01, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. Considering Shinryu gave me crap in FFV, I'm siding with Bahamut on this one. "You waste your breath." (Mega Flare) 16:48, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for Shinryu[]

  1. longer neck C A T U S E 02:49, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Neck for days.--AnonyMan (talk) 03:11, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  3. You say it's a neck-off then post a Bahamut with no neck? What the hell, man? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:23, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Because Bahamut is actually a fish in Arabian mythology, and not a dragon. TMG- Why? (talk) 06:00, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  5. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 12:51, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Nevermind the neck, imagine the esophagus on that thing. Or the small intestines, for that matter. Miles upon miles of entrails. Jimcloud 22:34, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Shinryu has got a great design, and despite BlueHighwind is right I absolutely enjoyed Dissidia's gameplay. GoldenChocobo 20:26, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. A shoo-in considering he actually has a neck here. 11:22, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

I think the real question is, which neck can withstand the One and Only Bartz? King of Noobs 02:53, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Trick question. Neither can stand up to The Butz, he's beat both their necks. Hmm...I smell a tie.--AnonyMan (talk) 03:09, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
Well, let's be fair here. They're both capable of standing up to Bartz.
They'll just ending up falling over soon afterwards. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 08:57, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

...I think I'm embarrassed at myself. It took me a week to notice something in this week's fight in the Dragon's Neck Colosseum.King of Noobs 20:46, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

I only just noticed that myself. Coincidence (or not) it's hilarious! :) TMG- Why? (talk) 07:23, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Week 317: Titular Week
Scathe's decided that as of week 311, any fight he does is a theme week (while Jimcloud does the LMS fights). Not that I'm complaining. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:48, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
I'll admit, I rarely read the title, just who's in the match. Sorry 'bout that Scathe. King of Noobs 12:37, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Week 316: Hair Stylist Remembrance Week (Last Man Standing Round 69): Bartz vs. Carbuncle[]

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12½ to 6
12½ to 6
Bartz continues on his rampage as champion, destroying all in his wake and salting the fields of Carthage.

However, he didn't realize that he would come across someone with as lavishly styled hair as he! What a calamity! Indeed, one could not judge whose hair, Bartz or Carbuncles, was more flammable from the amount of product placed in it nor could one accurately judge the pounds upon pounds of broken combs that must have ensued from all the morning hairy activities.

Who will be the last man/green thing standing with the most fashionable hair?

Votes for some Bartz we found lying around in our attic[]

  1. I need Bartz to stay in the DNC just for more silly names. --BlueHighwind 02:47, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  2. For honor. For glory. For the comedy gold! King of Noobs 03:02, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  3. God, the bishonen detector is overloading just looking at that picture! -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:08, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Bartz lives! Don't listen to Ondor's lies! Monterossa (talk) 05:16, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  5. ;p TMG- Why? (talk) 05:18, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  6. This geezer can Spellblade Bio and kill the other in one hit.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 07:03, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  7. DAT BARTZ!! --I’m Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 12:00, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  8. --ClixPsi (talk) 21:59, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Pzykosiz (talk) 01:41, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Carbuncle has its perks, but, I'd prefer Bartz because Carbuncle more or less concerns buffs and standard healing rather than battle.NoctisXV (talk) 01:20, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Why not.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png12:37, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
  12. WHOA, just look at that fabulous hair! Mierna 12:45, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. Maybe next time, 'Buncle.... 02:48, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for Carbuncle[]

  1. Hauses are blue. Carbuncle is blue. C A T U S E 03:08, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Once again, Carbuncle, because it protects me in 14. --Sencilia (talk) 12:01, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
  3. I like Carbuncle better, even though I love Bartz and his unique nicknames by the great DNC staff!Free bird (talk) 00:48, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
  4. If bartz was laying around in my attic he'd probably be dead. I hear breathing in glass particles can do that to you --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:56, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Pity vote because it's just so cute!  Primarch Dysley FFXIII - Sprite-Dysley.png 00:38, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
  6. JC Holy Knight (talk) 03:10, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Peanut Gallery[]

This week's update was brought to you by your favorite ScatheMote, who is updating in lieu of Jimcloud, as she, set awash on the open sea, is torn and twisted by the winds of fortune throughout the world to tear through the channels of Scylla and Charybdis, perhaps one day settling with the Cattle of the Sun (which, as we know, must not be eaten; that would be rude). ScatheMote 02:44, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

We need six volunteers to get eaten so that Jimcloud can get past Scylla. I will do the honorable thing, the selfless thing, the heroic thing, and volunteer Scathe. --BlueHighwind 02:49, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
Don't be silly, we brought machine guns just in case we'd run across something like that. C A T U S E 03:08, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

All these hair themed DNC descriptions reminds me of the Terra's Hair vs Garnet's Hair fight. I almost feel like we should have Garnet's hair which won in the fight go up against bartz in a future week to keep with the theme --Ffgamesftw (talk) 03:21, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Or bring back Edgar. Edgar, mind you, not Edgar. Fëasindë Peth 14:53, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Week 315: Peace Week: Vayne v. Carbuncle[]

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14½ to 7
I abhor violence. There's such much cruelty and evil of the world. Don't we want to leave that at the door when enjoy ourselves at the DNC?

So this week is Peace Week in the DNC (stands for Do No Conflict). Today, we decide whose warm and kind hugs we would appreciate more. Would you rather have the gentle caress of the dread emperor Vayne, whose long flowing hair brushes softly across your face as he embraces you, or the furry hug of Carbuncle, whose cuddle is interrupted only by a sudden flash that will blind you for the remainder of your life?

Who will be the last hugger standing?

14½ to 7

Votes for Vayne[]

  1. I can't help but think that Vayne has better hair for some reason. It's almost as if his hair is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. Like I just want to spend the next three days brushing it with a golden comb while we eat grapes together listening to Huey Lewis and the News. --BlueHighwind 17:35, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi (talk) 22:15, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  3. I ship Vayne and Larsa, but Carbuncle and Larsa is bestiality. C A T U S E 01:57, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
  4. He's got a cookie jar, THIS BIG!!!! Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:47, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Dat hair! King of Noobs 12:34, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
  6. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 10:56, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
  7. ScatheMote 02:24, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Votes for Carbuncle[]

  1. FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 17:35, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Cute. Monterossa (talk) 17:47, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  3. --I'm Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 18:31, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  4. I vote for the cute Carbuncle! Vayne has probably the best head of hair of any male FF character, but that's not enough for me to vote for him and against the cute Summon.Free bird (talk) 22:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  5. I imagine a hug from Vayne would be forgettable, just like the man himself and the game he's from. But who wouldn't want a hug from The 'bunc?! Cuddly light show casting cutie.--AnonyMan (talk) 23:08, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
  6. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:22, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Just need a few more versions of carbuncle with different light colors and we can have an esper disco ball!--Ffgamesftw (talk) 16:52, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
  8. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 21:39, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
  9. All my haters say "CARBUNCLE" NoctisXV (talk) 00:42, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Pzykosiz (talk) 01:45, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
  11. The only Esper that can reflect all the love you need. JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:40, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
  12. Carbuncle, coz he helps me in FF14. And he's adorable. --Sencilia (talk) 06:52, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
  13. He looks so fluffy! GoldenChocobo 14:21, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
  14. Terra Malheur TAY PSP Rydia Field.png 09:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. Going for the cute and cuddly summon! 22:01, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

The intro was awesome- though I don't want to be hugged by either of them. TMG- Why? (talk) 18:46, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like someone needs a hug *hugs* -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:22, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

I seriously wonder what the posters initial rationale was behind this fight. I can't think of anything that relates these two characters at all --Ffgamesftw (talk) 16:51, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

They both have amazing hair. King of Noobs 19:49, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
I can't actually find this fight in the nomination archives, which means the most likely rationale is a joke on the IRC. Or rolling from the list, but I don't think that has summons on it. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:20, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

...isn't it THE Carbuncle? And seriously, that amazing hair makes Vayne look like Laguna's evil twin brother. --I’m Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 20:04, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Week 314: Last Man Standing Round 68: Bartz vs. Eiko[]

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Theatrhythm CC Eiko.png
16 to 8½
16 to 8½
After a surprise upset against Monk Sabin, job-changer Bartz fights another character with a constant career, it's Eiko the Summoner and White Mage! In this battle between two characters from games with opposite Job systems, will versatility or specialization win the day? Who will be the Last Man Standing?

Votes for any old Bartz[]

  1. I am above reason. --BlueHighwind 01:15, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  2. motherfuckin bartz. Hexed 01:37, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  3. She'll pull out her flute, and he'll rock it with his sweet dance costume and moves. King of Noobs 01:54, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  4. *insert butt here* -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:11, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Eiko please die.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 08:36, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Monterossa (talk) 08:56, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Eiko can never be a badass ninja. Bartz can. Bartz > Eiko. TMG- Why? (talk) 11:26, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Wasn't that fond of either of them but I liked Bartz better.Squallisnotemo (talk) 21:04, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  9. I actually don't mind Eiko, I thought she was a compelling character and great in battle, but I like Bartz better. I like his personality and Dissidia appearance and I love the games that utilize the Job System.Free bird (talk) 01:16, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Zhor7 (talk) 01:52, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Any old Bartz > the dirt stuck to the bottom of the dirt on the bottom of Kefka's shoes > Vaan > Eiko. --I'm Captain Zidane von Tribal of... Wait, what? Flüstergras 18:45, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
  12. No contest.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 09:38, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
  13. --ClixPsi (talk) 01:15, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
  14. GoldenChocobo 14:55, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
  15. Sorry Eiko, but i'm voting for the roof-falling master. Terra Malheur TAY PSP Rydia Field.png 18:20, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. Sorry kiddo, but voting for Bartz... 03:20, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
  2. All the contrivances of an FF protagonist with almost none of the emotional baggage - unless you count acrophobia. 14:20, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for Eiko[]

  1. Bards are life C A T U S E 01:14, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  2. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 05:08, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Pzykosiz (talk) 23:51, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Never got the hate. As far as I'm concerned she's entertaining and useful in a fight. And she's got more grit and moxie than most mages in the series.--AnonyMan (talk) 00:03, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
  5. I'm a sucker for cute things in gaming, sorry Rvayjr.--YourDailyWhiteMage (talk) 18:44 September 3, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Fëasindë Peth 14:16, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
  7. <insert comment on how all FFV characters (excluding Gilgamesh) are terrible>--Ffgamesftw (talk) 16:24, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Voting for the Moogle Queen! JC Holy Knight (talk) 02:16, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. 05:18, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

The temptation to label the first column "THE Bartz" was strong, strong indeed. Jimcloud 01:12, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

I would definitely vote for the butz. C A T U S E 01:14, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
You should always give into those kind of temptations, Jimcloud. Comedy over logic any day. King of Noobs 12:49, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think this is THE Bartz, I think he's just any old Bartz. --BlueHighwind 23:27, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
yeah ok -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:03, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Week 313: Palidrome Week: Eiko v. Hope[]

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14 to 13

Not every mage is an eldery wizard, entire of itself. Some mages are a piece of youth, a part of progeny. Either if the horn were to be sliced by boomerang or the confusingly colored sweater to be punched by a rock wolf, every DNC fight strengthens us. Never send to know for whom the kiddie mages fight.
They fight for thee.

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Votes for Eiko[]

  1. This one doesn't stink of Lightning. --BlueHighwind 03:44, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  2. isaqtpie C A T U S E 03:47, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Superior character all around. Eiko was a pro mage from jump street while Hope gradually became a poor man's Genis Sage.--AnonyMan (talk) 03:56, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Pzykosiz (talk) 05:00, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  5. --ClixPsi (talk) 10:48, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  6. King of Noobs 12:35, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  7. I am going to root for the girl here. Eiko was a fun perky girl and I need a break from the Lightning Saga. Mierna 09:06, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Although I find Eiko more annoying than Quina she's still better than Hope --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:48, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
  9. I liked her feisty nature and overall character. Hope reminds me of myself when I was in high school, which gives me not-too favorable memories.Free bird (talk) 22:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Zhor7 (talk) 16:24, August 27, 2014 (UTC) Was never a huge fan of either of these supporting characters, but Hope was just too annoying for me early game.
  11. I think Eiko is a fairly decent character; although Hope may have a marvelous growth throughout his appearances (haven't played XIII), he had a lot more time to do it (he had more games and we see basically all his life, from a child to a full adult), thus I consider the comparison not fair in this point. JC Holy Knight (talk) 03:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
  12. Vercery 04:06, August 31,2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. 06:36, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  2. 14:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  3. She handled loneliness in a far more mature manner than Hope did. 13:06, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Anyone but that terrible Hope... >_< # 01:41, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for the Hope of the world and the savior of mankind[]

  1. A vastly underrated character. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:02, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Monterossa (talk) 08:45, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Both whiny kids that failed at logic first grade, but at least Hope improves. Eiko just needs to gtfo.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 09:28, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  4. At least Hope grows up mentally (and physically - we see as an adult after all). Eiko just strops about. Balthierfan (talk) 10:36, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  5. "This Hope guy has been established from the start as a whiny, weak, inept, cowardly, socially retarded mummy's boy, so presumably he's the character most of the audience are supposed to project onto, but then combat starts and he quite literally pulls a boomerang out of his arse and joins the fray! Consistency is nice!" Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 10:59, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  6. TMG- Why? (talk) 11:27, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Never played XIII, but never enjoyed Eiko either. --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 12:22, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Jimcloud 19:15, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  9. goddamn it scathe now I can't not vote this way. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:01, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Obviously Hope. His character development throughout the game story was remarkably inspiring to me. Eiko ,on the other hand, had no development whatsoever in my opinion. --CloudStrifeACC 16:52, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Hope is fun even if he has his moments. Alexander is a boss summon to own. NoctisXV (talk) 04:08, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
  12. A vote for the savior of mankind! GoldenChocobo 14:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
  13. 10 points! -- Terra Malheur TAY PSP Rydia Field.png

Anonymous Votes[]

Peanut Gallery[]

Was the title supposed to be Palindrome, you seem to be missing an 'n' Pzykosiz (talk) 05:02, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any palindromes, if the only one is 313 I'm gonna be dissapointed.
Also, Scathe: "Votes for the Hope". Between this and "Votes for the Bartz" a fortnight ago I think your base template for this needs a bit of tweaking. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 10:34, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
At least it makes more sense to me now... --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 12:22, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
It's been that way since "Votes for the Good King", so I could make a guess at the reason for the change. Jimcloud 19:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Fixed. ScatheMote 19:45, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Perfect. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:00, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
Seems a bit biased towards Hope, just saying. Actually the fight description last week seemed biased towards Bartz listing a whole bunch of good things for Bartz and just bashing Sabin's color scheme in the picture... --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:47, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
The fight descriptions are not meant to be taken seriously. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:59, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Bartz's fight description was intended to be as generic as possible to set up for the punchline that was Sabin's. I'm going to let you in on a little secret: as many times as we update the DNC, do you think we can come up with good commentary without venturing into comedy territory sooner or later? Or, well, all the time? It's hard, it's so hard. Jimcloud 00:33, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
I have never written a serious fight description. ScatheMote 00:39, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Technobliterator & Balthierfan : To be perfectly fair to Eiko, you need to remember that's she's (apparently) only 6 years old. And unlike Hope, she both only had one game of screen time, and was raised by Moogles, not actual parents. The fact that she is alive and well is amazing. The fact that she has near zero social skills is to be expected. King of Noobs 12:38, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Show your support. Drake Clawfang (talk) 20:29, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

I really hope Relm beats Noel. --BlueHighwind 20:33, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

LimitlessSky, please read the rules at the top of the page about signing + timestamps and sign correctly. If you're not sure how signatures work, just ask (just type ~~~~ and the wiki does the rest for you). Trying to copy the sig of the guy above you and putting your username in instead doesn't work. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:06, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

I voted for Hope but R.I.P. to either of these two going up against THE Bartz. Monterossa (talk) 06:29, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Week 312: Last Man Standing Round 67: Sabin vs. Bartz[]

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13½ to 11½
13½ to 11½
This, the third of Sabin's Last Man Standing bouts, pits him against fellow SNES contender Bartz Klauser, the wanderer and crystal warrior from Lix. Bartz brings to the table his class changing abilities and chocobo charm, whereas Sabin is packing the--OH GOD, MY EYES, THE YELLOW, IT BURNS!

...While I find a cold compress, you all can find out which of these two will be the Last Man Standing.

Votes for Sabin[]

  1. Zhor7 (talk) 05:19, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  2. MONK.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 11:12, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Is this for real? One of the worst characters from a game with terrible characters beating badass sabin here? --Ffgamesftw (talk) 16:30, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  4. What happened to Bartz's awesome hat?? ;______; --BlueHighwind 02:26, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Okay, enough with the train suplexing. Lifting a whole house and knowing precisely for how long he could do it is an equally impressive feat Fëasindë Peth 02:28, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Drake Clawfang (talk) 02:28, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Sabin is the best, no Butz about it. ScatheMote 02:39, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Badass.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 09:33, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  9. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 06:05, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Because Sabin can also suplex himself, and nobody else can. GoldenChocobo 12:39, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Last vote, I think. JC Holy Knight (talk) 02:38, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[] 10:58, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for Bartz[]

  1. Suplexes a tree (more impressive than suplexing a train, since that's not bound to the ground) and uses a damn good internet provider C A T U S E 04:57, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Less yellow pls. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:01, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Bartz is more versatile in his game due to the Job class system. Also, Bartz is cool! :) TMG- Why? (talk) 07:38, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  4. He dates Zidane. --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 08:06, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  5. - Terra Malheur TAY PSP Rydia Field.png 12:06, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Lol Butz. Also his Dissidia Dancer outfit makes me laugh. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 09:57, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Pzykosiz (talk) 12:27, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  8. If Sabin can do it, Bartz can as well. Bloody mimes. King of Noobs 12:38, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  9. As cool as Sabin is, Butz is cooler, is in funnier game. And he'd steamroll him. The best of which is with Money. Can't no FF make it rain like FFV.--AnonyMan (talk) 22:05, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
  10. The idea of Bartz, of all people, beating the inexorable VI fan juggernaut amuses me immensely. Jimcloud 02:27, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Monterossa (talk) 10:52, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
  12. For 589! 14:33, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
  13. Ironically I like his concept art up there better. Mierna 13:34, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Voting for Bartz again. :) # 01:12, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

Sabin, have you ever heard of a secondary color? Complementary colors? Accessories? Anything that's not yellow? Jimcloud 04:52, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

SCREW YELLOW. IT SCREWS UP MY SIGNATURE GODDAMNIT.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 11:26, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
I like it. It's one of the few colors I can easily see. Bloody colorblindness. King of Noobs 15:56, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Yellow is the Baller's color. I can't count how many awesome things are predominately yellow. Hey, wait a tick. FF's most iconic creature is bright yellow. Hipocrites. Haha.--AnonyMan (talk) 22:15, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Chocobos know color coordination. Where Sabin has yellow, yellow, and yellow (belt? What belt?), the Chocobo has a respectable quantity of orange/black in the legs and orange in the beak. It's less blinding. Jimcloud 22:28, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Also more powerful chocobos have better colour schemes, -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 02:10, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't Bartz wearing his hat no more? --BlueHighwind 02:26, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Because it'd be unfair to Sabin. He's already got to deal with his bad sense of colour coordination and you want to put him up against a nice hat? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:06, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
While this is true, Bartz is still yet to lift a locomotive and slam it into the ground.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 09:37, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
Excuse me but the Dragon's Neck Colosseum is clearly a fashion show. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 10:02, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for putting the image of Sephiroth walking down he cat walk in my head. Seriously, thank you. TMG- Why? (talk) 20:29, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I aim to please. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:17, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
Does this help 14:33, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
Fantastic, but he needs a pirate hat. --BlueHighwind 15:19, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Week 311: Non-Emergency Municipal Service Fight: Bartz v. Firion[]

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7 to 10½
The series's two most famous weaponsmasters duel each other today. One, the master of hitting himself in the face; the other, the master of falling off roofs. But who will reign supreme?

Also, as a secondary battle, who is the hatmaster here? Will the turban wrap and strangle the opposition, or will the pirate hat be a-vastly superior?

7 to 10½

Votes for Firion[]

  1. For the sake of the fight comment, Firion is the TRUE Weaponmaster, able to wield any and all weapons in the game, and use whatever spells his little heart desires. Bartz, while still awesome, is at the mercy of the Job Class System for wielding weapons. King of Noobs 03:11, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Although 2 and 5 were neither of my favorite games I will cast my vote here. 2 had a good cast of characters but lackluster story and gameplay, while 5 had good gameplay but lackluster story and characters. That being said my vote should be obvious as it's a character battle. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 04:01, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi (talk) 10:38, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  4. I think they are both great characters. I really enjoyed Bartz' silliness in FFV and his quotes in Dissidia, but I like Firion better due to the unique leveling system in FFII (which debuted in '89 and as such way ahead of its time) and I have a sentimental attachment to roses, being my daughter's middle name.Free bird (talk) 23:48, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Pzykosiz (talk) 11:10, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
  6. JC Holy Knight (talk) 02:22, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
  7. - Metusylc0304 14:54, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Votes for the Bartz[]

  1. C A T U S E 01:22, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Pssh. The pirate hat is but one of his many superior headpieces. Also, Bartz is the better character in every other way, backed by an equally superior-to-FF2's cast. Each with their own set of great headwear. There's a reason they don't hang out in Dissidia.--AnonyMan (talk) 03:08, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Firion has to do his homework for wielding weapons and casting spells as well... And Bartz is funny-stupid, while Firion is... just stupid. --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 08:02, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Bartz as a ninja= Blades of Death. TMG- Why? (talk) 08:04, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Tough one when they are both generic trash. Eh, I'll go with this geezer.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 20:37, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Captain Bartz von Klauser of Lix. Monterossa (talk) 20:46, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
  7. I think it's pretty obvious who the winner here is...actually it isn't, but I'm voting for Bartz anyway.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 20:56, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
  8. ARRRRRRR ME HEARTIES!! SHIVER ME TIMBERS! --BlueHighwind 21:14, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
  9. BY THE BRINY BEARD OF KING NEPTUNE! Terra Malheur TAY PSP Rydia Field.png 10:40, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Firion is a more useful fighter in Dissidia, but Bartz is an overall better character than him. GoldenChocobo 14:26, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. I was most amused by Bartz in Dissidia. ^_^ <3 # 20:00, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

And not to mention, I also rather enjoyed Firion in the Disidia games. Dunno why, I just liked his feel I guess. King of Noobs 03:12, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

"Votes for the Bartz"? --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 08:03, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, what of it? -- The Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:04, August 11, 2014 (UTC) that a kind of insider joke I don't understand? xD --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 19:04, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
All I can think of is back in the fan-translation of the SNES version, he was called Butz. But we couldn't have such low, crude humor on the DNC. It just wouldn't be proper, after all. (/endsilliness) King of Noobs 20:52, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Week 310: Last Man Standing Round 66: Sabin vs. Good King Moggle Mog XII[]

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FFXIV KingMoggleMog.png
11½ to 8½
11½ to 8½
In this stirring battle, our new defending champion, Sabin, will fight to cement his hold on the coveted spot by fighting against one of the realm's greatest legends: the king of moogles himself, Moggle Mog XII. Fists and fur will fly in this battle worth remembering! But who will take that coveted spot? Who will be the Last Man Standing?

Votes for Sabin[]

  1. Has Multi-Targeting Blitzes as well. Air Blade and Fire Dance hit multiple targets --Ffgamesftw (talk) 04:48, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Pzykosiz (talk) 10:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  3. There are two categories which a character can fall into that dguarentee it an auto-win, those are "monk" and "blonde". You can see where this is going.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 11:18, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi (talk) 21:47, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Zhor7 (talk) 22:57, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Sabin. Mr. Badass himself.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 02:18, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
  7. JC Holy Knight (talk) 23:51, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
  8. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 13:58, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Sabash has legs so he can kick better than they can. --AnonyMan (talk) 22:14, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Sabin all the way! GoldenChocobo 14:26, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
  11. ScatheMote 01:02, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. 05:10, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Votes for the Good King[]

  1. You can only suplex one target at a time. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:38, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  2. must. be. champion. wiki pls C A T U S E 05:08, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Moogles! :D :D TMG- Why? (talk) 10:33, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Moggle Mog will superplex you first!! Monterossa (talk) 11:36, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  5. The much better theme song! King of Noobs 12:37, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  6. --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 18:03, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  7. I think Sabin is one of the best characters ever, I just have a difficult time voting against an oh-so cute moogle!Free bird (talk) 22:50, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Screw Sabin, he made Ringabel lose and I'm still not over that. Jimcloud 19:03, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

  1. 21:27, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

A minute before midnight counts as Sunday in my book! Jimcloud 03:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

"03:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)" The wiki disagrees. JBed (talk) 04:56, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
The Wiki can shut up, I don't care what it says. Jimcloud 18:07, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Ffgamesftw: Sabin... doing things that aren't Suplex!? :O I am disgusted at you, good sir. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:16, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

well you'll be really disgusted at me. i use Relm Pzykosiz (talk) 11:00, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
I haven't even played VI yet. :( It looks good though. TMG- Why? (talk) 19:42, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
It's definitely the best of the classic Final Fantasy games. Perhaps the best of them all, but that is an arguement I will NOT bring to this Peanut Gallery. You hear me?! Oh the horror that would cause... Still, you should give it a try at your earliest convenience, you may really enjoy it. King of Noobs 19:43, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
It's definitely the best of the Final Fantasy games.
FTFY.--FFVI Kefka Palazzo Sprite iOS.png Technobliterator TC 14:41, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Meh. I agree it is worth the time to give it a try, though. The hell with Suplex...Sabin can't even headbutt. I demand a 3rd Person FF6 Spin-off beat em up starring him where he rectifies this grave error. --AnonyMan (talk) 22:29, August 8, 2014 (UTC)


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