Week 260: Arc v. Hope[edit source]

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Hope Estheim.png
VICTOR
Hope
20 to 20
These two teens are both prodigies in their own right, but are still treated as the kid by their respective groups. Both of them come into their own and mature in their story. But which still has growing left to do, and which is ready to save the world? VICTOR
Hope
20 to 20

Votes for Arc[edit source]

  1. FFIII is an underrated classic. Add an X to the title and it becomes an overrated tragedy of modern gaming. --BlueHighwind 02:47, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Jblancosegura (talk) 04:50, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --Pzykosiz (talk) 05:30, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  4. I'll vote over here, mostly because it's III that properly introduced the Job System, and because BlueHighwind's logic is surprisingly... logical. King of Noobs 12:31, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Wanna play FF3 with actual characters? Play FF5. With that they're both schmucks. But I'd rather play III over XIII anyday.--AnonyMan (talk) 15:16, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Arc is adorable. Hope is one of those kids you just want to slap across the face. Also, III is a far better game than XIII since, you know, it's an actual game and not a movie where you press X a lot.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png21:15, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  7. The only time Hope was bearable was when he wanted to kill Snow. I could relate to that. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 00:12, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Not so much because I like Arc, more because I hate Hope.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 09:23, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  9. While also an unabashed anti-XIII vote, I would also like to state that Arc has a cooler name and he overcomes his weaknesses (shyness, assumed cowardice) in the span of a single game. Dogurasu (talk) 16:57, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  10. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:18, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  11. RafaAbigail (talk) 14:03, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
  12. For some reason, I felt that Arc fit best as a healer. SidVI 15:36, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Nothing to do here...--BiggsandWedge 23:19, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Haven't played XIII, but I do like Arc better, still. MissH <3 09:31, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  15. He was my strongest character. --Ich will Kühe. Flüstergras 10:58, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  16.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:20, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  17. JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:34, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I really like Hope, but... 14:32, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Arc looks cooler, and thirteen ruined my hope (<see what I did there) of any more good FFs being made. --The Genesis of Eggs 18:04, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 74.38.33.48 17:35, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 71.181.83.101 22:48, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Hope[edit source]

  1. Hope needs more respect than he gets. He's not just the type of character who was born a badass, he grows into it as he learns to stop being a wimpy mama's boy and stand and fight on his own. It's like he starts out as Edward and by the end of the game has grown into Kain. Drake Clawfang (talk) 02:48, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I don't particularly like either, but I guess I'll go with Hope. Between III and XIII, I hate the former more. To this day, III is the only FF that has made me feel like I wasted hours of my life, and I played a month of XI and plan on eventually giving FFXIV a try.--ClixPsi (talk) 02:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:03, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Some of Hope's character development is stupid. But eh. C A T U S E 03:42, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Hope is the only character in FFXIII-2 who really understands what he is doing. GoldenChocobo 09:32, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  6. very well written character. Monterossa (talk) 09:50, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I'm slightly ambivalent about his development across the "Lightning Saga" as a whole, but he becomes very likable in XIII-2 and an unexpectedly comforting element when running around the world of Nova Chrysalia in Lightning Returns.--Crystal Tear (talk) 10:29, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Good character development. --yeah_93 17:32, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Hope I'm in love with you I must vote for youuuuuuuu  Primarch Dysley FFXIII - Sprite-Dysley.png 17:13, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  10. I dislike when people vote because of the game the character is in and not the character him/herself. Hope's hate is misplaced. Revert yourself to the age of fourteen... lose your mother... be purged to a world you only know as "Hell" because something from that world was found and you have no control over this... then become the most hated thing on your planet (also not of your own will)... and travel around with the guy who dropped your mother to her death and see how whiny you are. Hope was exactly as any normal 14 year old would be in that situation, if not slightly better. And he matures into the awesomeness that was his character in XIII-2. A kid who creates an ENTIRE WORLD, for people to live on again. Go Hope.Fate's Chosen Hero 17:54, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Luckily, it's FFXIII Hope in the picture and that version of Hope is good. Also, I like that comment about Edward→Kain transformation even though I can't stand Cecil, and thus complete that freaking game.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:55, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
  12.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:48, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Barely know Arc. But I really like Hope! NoctisXV 8:06 AM, August 7,2013 (UTC)
  14. Needs to be more interesting, y u mad? Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:45, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Jimcloud 15:26, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  16. ScatheMote 16:39, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Haters People who evidently paid no attention whatsoever to his character development gonna hate -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 19:19, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Hope is amazing. Nuff said folks :D JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png19:27, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Not only is he a super powerful mage but his eidolon os Alexander and that gets the vote from me. Bahamut knows best (talk) 02:50, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 108.172.209.232 04:43, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 85.168.15.215 18:43, August 5, 2013 (UTC) Hope really has an incredible character development. People tend to forget he is a 14-year-old boy who just witnessed his mother's death. He may be whinny one third of the game, but he definitely matures and becomes very interesting after he chooses to drop Operation NORA.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I can't comment about Arc because I know nothing about him, but how is Hope a prodigy?Squallisnotemo (talk) 00:24, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

How old, exactly, was he when he was made director of the Academy? Jimcloud 17:22, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
19. He entered at 17, about two years after the fall of Cocoon. --Crystal Tear (talk) 17:36, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
And at age 14 he's somehow able to power up and control Magitek Armor suits he finds laying around. Drake Clawfang (talk) 17:49, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
So by that logic aren't most of Final Fantasy's character's prodigies? I'm not denying that he is intelligent above his age, but aren't most of Final Fantasy's character's like that, trending with the idea that most JRPG character's are really young (in their teens). Rikku is only 15, which is pretty much the same age, and has an outstanding level of machinery skill.Squallisnotemo (talk) 22:49, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yes but the difference is that Rikku was raised in a culture where Machina were a main focus of study. Hope was a schoolboy who was probably educated well but not in something like working military gear or ancient pulse machinery nobody has touched in centuries. Hope has a knack for machinery and technology where Rikku was taught it all her life.Bahamut knows best (talk) 02:47, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Week 259: Last Man Standing Round 42: Squall v. Yuna[edit source]

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DEFENDING CHAMPION
SQUALL LEONHART
FINAL FANTASY VIII
DEFEAT - 21½ TO 22½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
YUNA
FINAL FANTASY X
VICTORY - 21½ TO 22½
While Squall managed to squeeze out a victory against Relm, he now faces his second challenge: Yuna. Will the versatile summoner outmaneuver the swordsman? And in the end, who will be the last one standing?

Votes for Squall[edit source]

  1. C A T U S E 00:17, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  2.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 00:44, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Lycropath (talk) 00:46, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:39, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  5. When women want broody babies, this is the man they throw themselves at. King of Noobs 02:51, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  6. I like yuna but not as much as I do squall. He's cool and comes out of his quietude. Yuna's just boiterous but still likeable.NoctisXV(yalk) 3:52, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I flipped a coin.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 10:39, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  8. He may be more irratating but he is better at choosing people to hang out with. 8 has a cooler cast and in Dissida he hung out with Team Way-Cooler-than-everyone-else Ultra-Pimps. He secretly loves booty.--AnonyMan (talk) 14:21, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  9. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:59, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  10. --ClixPsi (talk) 21:58, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Tough, but Squall.Squallisnotemo (talk) 01:44, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Squall is grossly underrated on this wiki. I'm actually shocked Yuna isn't winning.Yrusama (talk) 10:04, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  13. 2 of my fav 5. Squall is a clone of myself so I vote him. Monterossa (talk) 11:20, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  14. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:02, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  15. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.pngKujaBox.PNG 20:09, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Both good characters. But Squall wasn't ruined by a sequel. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 06:34, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Final fantasy VIII was my first FF game. --Sencilia (talk) 13:49, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Really hard choice, but my vote goes to Squall and that RARE pose of his. MissH <3 17:04, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  19. My favorite character will not go without my vote. Squall is so misunderstood. User:FatesChosenHero 10:37, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  20. As much as I love Yuna (and I'm playing X again), I have to vote here; Squall did teach some things to me about life, and I agree with the vote above me (on the second part). JC Holy Knight (talk) 22:16, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  21. I like both characters, glad it's a close one. However, if i have to choose i would choose Squall Leonhart. Bright Mage 10:04, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 70.101.146.81 02:01, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Yuna[edit source]

  1. Simply cannot vote for Squall ever. --BlueHighwind 00:25, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  2. The guy above me summed it all very nicely. --yeah_93 01:09, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  3. U mad again? Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 01:39, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Squall may have teh smexeh but... meh, he's not nice xD. Yuna is sweet ^_^  Primarch Dysley FFXIII - Sprite-Dysley.png 02:25, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  5. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 11:06, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  6. There's no way I could ever not vote for Yuna. MystRay 14:00, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
  7. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 02:19, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Yuna loves a fleeting dream, while Squall loves a perky (and annoying) girl. GoldenChocobo 11:33, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Yuna is FFX's best Black Mage. SidVI 16:01, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  10. I really don't like Squall. Josejoejoey (talk) 16:12, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Really tough this one!! But Yuna (barely) edges it for me Onechord (talk) 17:01, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  12. ScatheMote 20:04, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  13. "Believe in Yuna."  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png22:52, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
  14. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 05:18, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  15. RafaAbigail (talk) 09:06, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Jblancosegura (talk) 15:56, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  17. --Pzykosiz (talk) 05:45, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Couldn't vote for Squall and against Yuna.Datau (talk) 08:43, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Yuna trumps Squall in my mind every time. --Crystal Tear (talk) 20:28, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Feel summoner's blade, lion cub!—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:34, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Meh, she has helped me fap before so she gets my vote :) 200.95.170.15 20:36, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 131.178.255.7 19:43, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  3. 96.241.126.154 16:56, August 2, 2013 (UTC) I like Yuna, especially compared to Squall. For one, Yuna's nice and Squall's a jerk. Plus, their character development is different. Yuna changes and becomes more free once she doesn't die and Tidus (seemingly) does. Squall, on the other hand, goes into a weird angsty-then-kissy mode after Rinoa (seemingly) dies.
  4. 113.108.124.156 10:57, August 3, 2013 (UTC)It came down in my mind in combat yuna has ability to learn auto-life and zombie strike due to mechanics of ffx then in battle of summons since everyone can get summons ffviii and I say ffx summons wins.
  5. 108.172.209.232 06:19, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Wow this ones close.Squallisnotemo (talk) 20:10, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's the close ones that get the blood racing. Mmm... At this point, could care less if Squall defends or not. King of Noobs 22:32, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Both Squall's second anonymous vote and Yuna's eighth vote need to be signed... Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 11:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Week 258: Kuroki Kaze v. Yuna[edit source]

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VICTOR
Yuna
23½ to 7½
Both of this week's contestants are notable for being two of the only characters in the series at large to have characteristics of both the Summoner and Gunner classes; Yuna transitioned from one to the other while Kaze exhibited traits of both at once. Who is the better at summoning a big scary monster then shooting you in the face? VICTOR
Yuna
23½ to 7½

Votes for Kaze[edit source]

  1. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:42, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Seriously, none of the people on the other side have seen Final Fantasy Unlimited. --BlueHighwind 01:57, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Because he's losing and I enjoyed Unlimited.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 06:36, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  4. The series was surprisingly good, and the ending still gets to me. King of Noobs 12:54, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I've never seen Final Fantasy Unlimited, but I have looked up Kaze's summons. I think I'll go for the guy who summons powerful beasts BY shooting them in your face. Dogurasu (talk) 00:09, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
  6. I always preferred Makenshi, but Kaze was awesome too. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 07:11, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Nobody listened when I said this would be a landslide. Nobody. Jimcloud 14:21, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 74.38.35.41 19:40, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Yuna[edit source]

  1. Monterossa (talk) 05:01, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Yuna and her Aeons are some of Final Fantasy's finest designs (Not to mention some of the best summoning gameplay elements) while Kaze's summons are by far the bottom in terms of visuals. I just have to go with Yuna on this. Lycropath (talk) 06:58, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Troll fight is definitely troll C A T U S E 07:20, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  4. This is interesting. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png08:17, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  5. 24DACL (talk) 11:03, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Landslide incoming! GoldenChocobo 13:00, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I'll take overdone soft, demure spellcaster over generic try-hard "cool badass" caster. Unless I could just vote for Bayonetta then I'd do that.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:19, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Sshhh don't talk about her gunner class it reminds me of things best left forgotten. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:03, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
  9. --ClixPsi (talk) 00:50, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Chop suey! Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 01:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 01:37, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  12. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 05:24, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  13. --Pzykosiz (talk) 06:14, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  14. BaaaaSquallisnotemo (talk) 12:03, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  15. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 20:51, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  16.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png23:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
  17. NocyisXV (talk) Yuna was an amzing character. Don't know the other person...(UTC)
  18. Always go for the main series characters.  Primarch Dysley FFXIII - Sprite-Dysley.png 06:02, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
  19.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 16:01, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
  20. ScatheMote 16:09, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Final Fantasy Unlimited was a bigger waste of my life than X-2 was so Yuna wins this for me. Kaze did get to summon Bismarck though, so he's not a total waste.Bahamut knows best (talk) 10:39, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
  22. I vote here because I love Yuna, and haven't watched FF Unlimited. JC Holy Knight (talk) 02:01, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
  23. Kaze was an okay character, but Yuna had something to her that was just more appealing to me MirrorshardSceada 10:45, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 96.241.126.154 15:05, July 24, 2013 (UTC) Kaze wins all the time. Hardly anyone else gets to be in the spotlight. Yuna starts out weak, and it takes forever to fill up her Overdrive, but later, if you go through the Sphere Grid... her summons are incredible; I even beat Jecht with only a few blows from Bahamut. Not to mention that I can let other characters fight, too. Plus, Yuna's personality is better. She's nicer, and while she came off as fragile at first, she proved to be a strong person. When she broke down, it was because of something REALLY painful, emotionally-wise. Rinoa couldn't fight without her friends. I actually like X-2, too. Yes, I don't necessarily like all of her clothes, but you've got to understand. Yuna's been confined her whole life. She doesn't want to be a figurehead lady anymore. She wants to be her own person, unlabeled by her fame. Kaze, on the other hand... I don't mind him, but there is much I could say. For one, he keeps on running off. I would understand if Ai, Yu, and Lisa could handle monsters on their own and Kaze saves them from super monsters that they later grow to defeat, but Ai and Yu are just kids, and Lisa... well, she doesn't actually do very much until late. Kaze takes care of virtually every monster that wants to kill them, and he always leaves them to fend for themselves. Until late, but then again, the ship was the only place he could go.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I think this may have gone unnoticed, but the main page still says the fight in the DNC is Relm vs Squall... SetzerLeonhart (talk) 16:49, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Jimcloud 17:24, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

That anon vote is very long... Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 16:28, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Jesus... Guys, the result is based on number of votes, not length. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:44, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
Though that sounds fun, we should consider that.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:47, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Week 257: Last Man Standing Round 41: Relm v. Squall[edit source]

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LMS Icon.png
Squall Lionheart ATB.png
CHALLENGER
RELM ARROWNY
FINAL FANTASY VI
DEFEAT - 14 to 21½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
SQUALL LEONHART
FINAL FANTASY VIII
VICTORY - 14 to 21½
After a rousing victory against her first opponent, defending champion Relm moves on to fight the prickly mercenary of Balamb. Who will win in this fight for the ages: the gifted young prodigy of Thamasa, or the broody mercenary with the gunblade? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Relm[edit source]

  1. Xepscern (talk) 13:33, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  2. She also isn't a huge prick. --BlueHighwind 15:01, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  3. She doesn't have a weapon that does not function like its namesake. Less of a dork and Interceptor like her. Clearly cooler than Squizzy over there.--AnonyMan (talk) 18:15, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Because she proved to us that Art is a deadly serious business. MirrorshardSceada 19:09, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  5. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:57, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hopefully Relm will return, like Strago, for the next round. ScatheMote 20:15, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  7. What BH said again - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 02:53, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
  8. --Pzykosiz (talk) 06:11, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Never played FFVIII so RafaAbigail (talk) 08:53, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Now I'm going for the favorite. Oh right, I STILL LIIIIEEEDDDD!!!!!! Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 18:00, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Still more unique than a brooding "hero" with a sword, even if the sword is also somehow a gun. Dogurasu (talk) 13:36, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
  12. No, Squall! No!  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png15:43, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
  13. SidVI 18:45, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Go Relm~ 8D - Metusylc0304 17:24, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Squall[edit source]

  1.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 13:35, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Monterossa (talk) 13:39, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  3. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 14:14, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  4. GoldenChocobo 15:00, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  5. --ClixPsi (talk) 15:01, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  6. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 15:14, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Free bird (talk) 15:51, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Relm's cool and all, but Squall still has that whole "slash and shoot ya" thing going on.I was once a toad, but then a pig. (talk) 17:47, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  9. C A T U S E 20:24, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Onechord (talk) 20:57, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  11.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 21:20, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Squallisnotemo (talk) 23:21, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  13. King of Noobs 00:12, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
  14. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 01:27, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
  15. NoctisXV I have to say Relm is sweet but compared to Squall, she's got nothin' on him! (talk) 11:18, July 15,2013 (UTC)
  16. People that have a lion heart are immune to drawing! JC Holy Knight (talk) 23:07, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Bright Mage 21:14, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 09:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
  19. For teh smexeh  Primarch Dysley FFXIII - Sprite-Dysley.png 09:40, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
  20. What Dysley said :3 JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png20:20, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
  21. 24DACL (talk) 17:29, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 170.215.65.8 23:07, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Week 256: Vincent v. Squall[edit source]

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VICTOR
Squall
21½ to 15
Everyone's favorite brooders go up against each other today. However, only one can brood in Last Man Standing next week. Which one is the broodiest? Only time will tell! VICTOR
Squall
21½ to 15

Votes for Vincent[edit source]

  1.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 17:57, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 19:11, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Vincent transforms into monsters with his Limit Break, I have said enough Grimoire Rift (talk) 21:03, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. --Pzykosiz (talk) 22:44, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Broodz McGiggles vs. Talk To a Wall. I don't recall Vinny acting like a dick on purpose, so I'll vote here. --BlueHighwind 01:00, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  6. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 04:40, July 8, 2013 (UTC) - And it pains me, but this is an obvious choice.
  7. Easy choice. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:50, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Liking Squall is out of my vocabulary. --yeah_93 04:54, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  9.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png09:43, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Because Vincent. That's why.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:06, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Anyone who can rock a red cape without looking like a total idiot gets my vote. --Marael (talk) 09:20, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  12. What BH said - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 10:52, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Splattercombo! GoldenChocobo 12:27, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Wow, tough choice! Was gonna vote Squall but changing to Vincent in the hope its a close result. Onechord (talk) 15:39, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 37.117.241.193 11:09, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 96.241.126.154 19:17, July 11, 2013 (UTC) I just think that first, Squall was a real jerk for the first half of the game, and then he suddenly turned way too passionate and sappy for no good reason. Vincent is cool, and while he is emo, he's emo because of a good reason. And he CARED about something when the party meets him. Squall's just... apathetic, judgmental. When Rinoa, Zone, and Watts were making a plan, he looked down on them because they were unprofessional. They weren't being stupid, but he despised them for lack of professionality that really was just inexperience.

Votes for Squall[edit source]

  1.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:59, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Lycropath (talk) 18:34, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  3. I don't get how Squall's broodiness can be hated while Vincent's can be loved. Ah well, for the gunblade! King of Noobs 19:07, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Squall had a reason at least to brood...Being stuck with the rest of the FFVIII cast! --Ffgamesftw (talk) 19:20, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  5. SidVI 19:39, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  6. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 19:53, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I'm going for the underdog here, oh wait, it's opposite day. U mad? Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 22:09, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  8. I believe my name made my vote direction obviousSquallisnotemo (talk) 22:22, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
  9. --ClixPsi (talk) 00:45, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  10. At least Squall was active. Vincent went to sleep like a pansy for 20-something years instead of doing something about his situation. Also Squall didn't star in a lousy spin-off.--AnonyMan (talk) 01:34, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --NeoExdeath (talk) 03:49, July 8, 2013 (UTC)I still can't figure out why he was called emo when he wasn't emotional and didn't want others to know stuff, doesn't that kind of defeat the point of people labeling him as such?
  12. Monterossa (talk) 09:36, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  13.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 10:58, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Maybe Squall will win LMS while everyone is distracted by Magicite Madness III... Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 12:58, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
  15. --Bright Mage 11:11, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  16. --Noctis XV 2:30, July 9, 2013 (UTC) He's more boss and he had more a drastic change than Vincent.
  17. I love walls too. C A T U S E 19:42, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I actually think they're both pretty awesome, but Squall has a slight edge. ArthurE (talk) 15:59, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
  19. How can I not vote for Squall? That's like a crime. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png18:49, July 13, 2013 (UTC) GO SQUALL!!
  20. He can slash AND shoot your face! What's scarier than that? Not even berserking gunslingers can compete with that.I was once a toad, but then a pig. (talk) 00:35, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
  21. You all know that in the end you're in your own. JC Holy Knight (talk) 02:54, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 70.101.146.185 19:22, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Yay, my first battle to get into DNC. Thank you.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:07, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Week 255: Last Man Standing Round 40: Leila v. Relm Arrowny[edit source]

Amano Layla.jpg
LMS Icon.png
200px-Ff6relmart.JPG
CHALLENGER
LEILA
FINAL FANTASY II
DEFEAT - 18½ to 13
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
RELM ARROWNY
FINAL FANTASY VI
VICTORY - 18½ to 13
Our lovely post-Championship fight randomizer gives us this lovely selection for this week.

Votes for Leila[edit source]

  1. Xepscern (talk) 21:08, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi (talk) 22:34, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  3. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 22:53, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  4. FFII really sucked for not letting you ever pick your party. Because fuck Leon, he was a useless moron. I'd much rather have Leila, Winmu, Firion, and Guy. --BlueHighwind 23:19, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Relm is so strange ... Ok, Leila's too, but at least she's not 10 years old while looking like 16 or so. Rosa Farrell 07:53, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Leila is so beautiful... and I'm not into children like Relm :D Mr. T (talk) 07:56, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I haven't met her yet, but hey! She's not Relm! -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 11:21, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Relm is an ok kid but I have to vote for Leila. FFII has awesome guests.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png12:19, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Two words: Thunder knives. SidVI 17:49, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Because pirate.Squallisnotemo (talk) 01:27, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 03:15, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Leila coming in to save Firion from the queen Lamia was quite memorable, considering!  Primarch Dysley FFXIII - Sprite-Dysley.png 10:33, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Must everyone hate FF2? I thought it was pretty good. Leila should have sooo been a permanent member. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png12:36, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Relm[edit source]

  1. Meh. That's all I can say. C A T U S E 21:08, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Just because FFII sucks! -- LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon.png 21:14, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 21:16, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Better character. But Leila was cool though.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:35, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Monterossa (talk) 21:35, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  6. much better character than people give her credit for --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:21, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Because Relm can paint while Leila does nothing! Gordth (talk) 00:06, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Beautiful bagpipes Fëasindë Peth 00:11, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Sketch Glitch --Ffgamesftw (talk) 00:53, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  10. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:04, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Yes I'll go underdog, guess what? I LIIIIIEEEDDDD!!! Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 02:49, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Strago's partner returns. ScatheMote 17:57, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  13. NO DON'T PAINT MY PORTRAIT PLEASE - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:58, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Mierna 09:16, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Interceptor has forced me to vote for Relm.GoldenChocobo 08:29, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
  16.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png12:19, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Relm not only uses sketches as a special ability, she also fights with apparently unbreakable brushes and can outclass the natural magic users of the party. For uniqueness, for power, for glitches. Dogurasu (talk) 14:32, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I consider the idea of sketching your enemies to destroy them quite interesting. MirrorshardSceada 18:59, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Used Relm as a part of my main party in VI. 184.11.74.189 00:29, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Man, all the temporary characters in FF2 are way cooler than the main four. It sucks most of them die sacrificing themsevles to save the lame-o squad.(Though Guy is slightly better)--AnonyMan (talk) 21:37, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Week 254: Griever v. Silver Dragon[edit source]

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DNC Versus.png
Silver Dragon-FFIX.PNG
VICTOR
Griever
20½ to 14
These two creatures are powerful opponents fought near the end of their respective games, with little to no foreshadowing of their status as opponents before the fact. But which of these two bosses fought out of nowhere are the more fearsome? VICTOR
Griever
20½ to 14

Votes for Griever[edit source]

  1. The legendary beast. C A T U S E 00:06, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  2. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. --BlueHighwind 01:09, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Love Griever's design. < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:11, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Maybe he's a Lion. --FireKnight251 02:32, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Griever looks pretty damn awesome in my opinion. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:49, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  6. While the Silver Dragon is amazing, Griever's design is simply brilliant both in enemy form and in symbolism. --NeoExdeath (talk) 03:51, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I love Kuja and I love IX, but Silver Dragon has always looked like a Pokemon to me. I dunno... Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 07:49, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Because his symbol is my Keychain and he has a real name and not just what he is.User:L'cieBeast 02:57, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Because I'm a Leo like Squall. Monterossa (talk) 09:06, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  10. --ClixPsi (talk) 10:46, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I like the design. ^^  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png13:59, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Unique demon(?) beats generic dragonSquallisnotemo (talk) 01:43, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  13. I vote for Griever because you get to name the badass creature you fight at the end of the game. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 01:56, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Onechord (talk) 07:29, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Who's Griever? I fought whoopass. --McBob49 (talk) 19:10, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
  16. No contest IMO DarkEmber (talk) 18:23, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
  17. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 21:21, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I know I said this a few fights ago, but... Griever, make him bleed! JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:36, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Because lions eat dragons for breakfast. Gordth (talk) 06:12, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Because I have a similar necklace. :) MissH <3 09:50, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 74.36.42.251 00:48, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Silver Dragon[edit source]

  1. Ride dragons, acquire bitches.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 00:03, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  2. King of Noobs 00:05, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  3. I wanted to fight this guy since the first time I saw it in Burmecia and I got to! Griever was just ridiculous. Bahamut knows best (talk) 00:12, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  4. I love Griever, but being a silver-colored dragon and Kuja's steed appeals to me more. Free bird (talk) 03:29, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  5. --Pzykosiz (talk) 03:39, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Just what Bahamut knows best says... and I just hated Griever when I fought it for the first time :-/ -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 09:23, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Griever looks stupid and is not a dragon. --Leon95 16:51, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
  8. So badass they had to show it in four FMVs.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png00:53, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Because Kuja is better than Ultimecia. GoldenChocobo 16:01, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Needs to be a bit more interesting. U jelly? Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 19:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Squall has a really limited imagination if that's his idea of Strongest GF whose weakness is teenagers. Silver Dragon is cooler be proxy since it doesn't have a real rep. But Kuja has street cred to spare. --AnonyMan (talk) 20:08, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  12. SidVI 20:38, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
  13. The 3D dragon compels me. ScatheMote 19:17, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
  14. *shrugs* MirrorshardSceada 10:03, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I would say that time got away from me, but that would imply that my grasp on time has ever been particularly firm, which is a rather hilarious concept. Jimcloud 00:01, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

So a lot of what happened last fight was pretty dumb. I'm going to guess this is because it was the final Last Man Standing before Basch became champion; the same thing happened when Kuja up for championship. Hopefully none of it will spill over into this fight <_< C A T U S E 00:06, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Really? The only dumb I saw was people not realising that it is not acceptable to discuss rape here of all places. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:17, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Just a vibe I got from how some of the Basch rationales were treated. Maybe I'm overreacting. It wasn't as bad as Kuja's fights, at least. C A T U S E 00:53, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't Greiver fought at the end of the game rather than near it?Squallisnotemo (talk) 01:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Semantics will get you nowhere. Besides, the end of the game is as near to the end of the game as you're going to get, no? Jimcloud 20:13, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
...Touche. Defeated by technicality.Squallisnotemo (talk) 01:26, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Week 253: Last Man Standing Round 39: Basch v. Penelo[edit source]

BaschCGScreen.jpg LMS Icon.png
FFXII Penelo Ending.jpg
DEFENDING CHAMPION
BASCH FON RONSENBURG
FINAL FANTASY XII
VICTORY - 23 TO 14½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
PENELO
FINAL FANTASY XII
DEFEAT - 23 TO 14½
Basch heads into his final fight in Last Man Standing. So far, he has had four victories, but will his comrade Penelo steal away his fifth? Or will Basch become a retired champion? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. Oh, LMS, how often do you make joke fights. C A T U S E 02:13, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I'm Captain Basch...no wait, I'm someone else. Nevermind.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:15, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Despite how both are almost always in my party (when at all possible,) I'm gonna vote for the knight. Sorry, Penelo! King of Noobs 02:26, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  5. *insert non-offensive vote here* --BlueHighwind 02:46, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Jimcloud 03:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  7. ... -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:20, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  8. This isn't even close, even if I consider only the Revenant Wings storyline, where Basch doesn't even come in until the third to last chapter. Penelo is a useful healbot but nothing else. 8bit 03:28, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I had to be somewhat impartial in the fight description, but something tells me that I'm on the winning side. Just something. ScatheMote 03:29, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  10. I smell a landslide. Landslides are good. --yeah_93 04:31, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I like both of them, but ... Basch is my favorite FF XII character next to Ashe. Penelo is only the 3rd. Rosa Farrell 06:21, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Jumping on the bandwagon. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 06:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Same reason as last week: He's not Penelo :p Okay, and he's just awesome. One of the greatest knights ever. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 10:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  14.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 11:01, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  15. This vote is for two reasons. 1. Basch is better. 2. I'm working on a theory that no-one will ever lose their fifth consecutive LMS fight.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 11:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  16. My babe for the win!Bahamut knows best (talk) 16:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  17.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:06, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Shockstorm (talk) 17:24, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Ha. - Paramina (talk) 22:20, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  20. It's Last MAN Standing, after all.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png18:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Anyone who actually thinks this is a contest is lying to themselves. Still all-in-all I'd have liked to see Basch face a closer final fight make it the grand finale --Ffgamesftw (talk) 23:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  22. I definitely used Basch more than Panelo.  mecorx (talk) - 23:10, Jun 20, 2013Microchu ATB.png 
  23. And now the knight in shining armor is about to receive his so deserved glory. Go Basch! JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:01, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Penelo[edit source]

  1. Penelo, I'll stick by your side! Even if you're insane for liking Vaan... You poor, poor girl. MystRay 02:28, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Ouch. This can't end well. Penny's my 2nd favorite XII character. She gets a bum rap that has little to do with her actually personality. Vaan too.--AnonyMan (talk) 02:51, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --Pzykosiz (talk) 03:21, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Hi! Master Conjurer 04:15, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I'm sticking with Penelo as I'm fully responsible for this. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Ass. Monterossa (talk) 09:11, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Just 'cause. SidVI 18:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Kind of feel bad for her. --ClixPsi (talk) 22:45, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Basch is my favorite, but I'm still going underdog bitchezzzz!!! Marauder 09 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 19:57, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
  10. I know this is meaningless at this point, or apparently at all, but I shall remain staunch and cast this vote anywaysSquallisnotemo (talk) 09:42, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I do not doubt Basch being the better character here, but Penelo certainly isn't a bad one either, and thus deserves my assistance in this fight MirrorshardSceada 14:21, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
  12. ^This -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 13:05, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
  13. GoldenChocobo 13:07, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
  14. *insert a sense of humour and non-seriousness here* - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:31, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 74.36.40.13 16:02, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

This is gonna be embarrassing, even if it is Penelo. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:40, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Rape jokes aren't funny. Ever. SlamShuffle 19:22, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Except in this case because Basch is having his way with that ass. And we all knew it from the get-go how it was going end up. --AnonyMan (talk) 03:21, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
Except, never. I realize this is a place for lighthearted joking, but rape is not a lighthearted topic. But I guess you and Blue find humor in the pain of young women. The fact that you wrote the sentence above sickens me. SlamShuffle 15:37, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
Loll. Way to get so hung up on a fake act in progress over a fictional character. Troll? You must hate slapstick humor involving women too. Equal rights comedy! Would you be as appalled if this fight were reversed and Blue comment was about Basch, hmm?--AnonyMan (talk) 22:43, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
Fucking hell guys, shut up about rape! Blue, could you please change your vote so we can end this stupid argument? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:21, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
Only if you admit you're loving it. --BlueHighwind 23:22, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
Sure, whatever, anything to end this. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:27, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can someone explain why there is so much hate directed at Penelo? I've never understood this --Pzykosiz (talk) 21:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

The short answer is that a lot of people find her whining annoying. The long answer involves discussing the "bubbly/ditzy teenage girl" archetype, which apparently is very popular in Japan, and that many people feel is overused and poorly developed in most JRPGs in which it appears. Fëasindë Peth 22:21, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
^Basically. The complanints are pretty exaggerated too. Everyone knows if you're not a stern dour-faced scowling "badass" is boring or annoying. FFXII has several flaws but Penelo one of the most reasonably pleasant characters in the games.--AnonyMan (talk) 02:40, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
I'd go as far as saying she's one of the most reasonably pleasant of the "perky girls." She really isn't as bad as some of the others. Like Vanille when she's tryin' to hide her past... King of Noobs 02:43, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
How can anything be worse than Vanille, honestly? I didn't think Penelo was that bad of a character, she was just on the blade side and really had nothing to do in the plot. She did have a fantastic booty, so that's a plus. As for perky, I think its exaggerated, she at least seems to be on the same planet as the other characters and isn't totally insane like Selphie or Vanille. --BlueHighwind 03:26, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
While I do dislike the bubble head girl sterotype I do agree with bluehighwind in saying she is the least offender of this. Her actions at least seem to have some intelligence to them and isn't nearly as annoying. From best to worst of the perky girls I can think of Penelo, Yuffie, Selphie, Rikku, then Vanille. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 00:49, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
I believe the main reason people dislike her is that she had almost no importance in the storyline. I just like using her as a tank because of her stats. --McBob49 (talk) 19:19, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Not that I like to bash things when they're late, but... are we trying to wait for more Penelo votes or something, oh great DNC Lords? King of Noobs 23:00, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Damn, my DPS versus my tank. --McBob49 (talk) 19:12, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Week 252: Penelo v. Lilisette[edit source]

Penelo RW.png
DNC Versus.png
Lilisette (FFXI).png
VICTOR
Penelo
21½ to 10
THIS WEEK ONLY! Come and see the show of the century as these two maidens, shining examples of grace and beauty, compete for your votes in the ultimate dance-off! Who will emerge victorious, the beautiful blonde Penelo, ever steadfast and faithful, or the fiery redhead Lilisette, ever headstrong and independent? Keep those singles at home! Who will move on to face our champion for his final title defense? VICTOR
Penelo
21½ to 10

Votes for Penelo[edit source]

  1. Penelo is hawt. Monterossa (talk) 18:40, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  2. SidVI 18:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Tacos! Marauder 09 40px I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 20:25, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  4.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png20:30, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Ass. --BlueHighwind 20:35, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  6. No idea who Lilisette is and I don't seem to have found Penelo as annoying as everyone else did.Squallisnotemo (talk) 21:31, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  7. ^Same here.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:59, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  8. I wanted her XII appearance ;-; - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 23:51, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Can't believe I'm voting for Penelo but I don't know anything about the other character so it's a win by default. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 23:53, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  10. ONE of these days, I might actually get around to buying Final Fantasy XI. Until then, I can't really vote for people I have no knowledge of. And besides, for the "perky girl" of the game, Penelo wasn't really that bad. King of Noobs 01:08, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:27, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  12. I don't find Penelo annoying.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png11:28, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  13. I actually like Penelo. Her comments about characters in Dissidia were amusing too. Lili is is only half-Elvaan and therefore only half as cool as the coolest Elvaan(Prishe). --AnonyMan (talk) 15:23, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Never mind! ^ Razordash19:19, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Penelo does not deserve the hate she gets. She's actually one of my favorite characters from XII. MystRay 23:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Those who say she's a bad character need to play RW and TA2, since I suspect her character growth in those games goes unnoticed since nobody played them. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 07:06, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
  17. I agree with DSS. Penelo is really usefull in RW (Raise!), and she is also a good character in that game. GoldenChocobo 20:08, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Eh. ScatheMote 20:09, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Blue sums it up fairly succinctly. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 06:02, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
  20. I actually know who Penelo is.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 04:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 74.36.43.64 18:43, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Lilisette[edit source]

  1. A redhead, and not Penelo. C A T U S E 18:32, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Don't get me wrong, I quite like Penelo. She's really cute. But not only is Lilisette underrated by default due to being from XI, she is also quite an interesting character, what with her being actually of mixed heritage as a Hume/Elvaan and her link to Lady Lilith. So, she get's my vote MirrorshardSceada 23:33, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Midriff-baring redhead? Yes please. Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:11, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  4. While still no Prishe, Lilisette was a good step up from Aphmau and probably would have worked as a better follow-up to Prishe in the MC role.--ClixPsi (talk) 22:11, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Lilisette needs the help, and wasn't that bad a character. Definitely not as bad as Penelo. Jimcloud 05:10, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Lili-who? Ah, don't care. She's not Penelo, and that's enough for me to vote for her. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 10:41, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I'm voting purely based on outfits here because while XII is my favorite I'm now completely ambivalent towards Penelo. That's actually an improvement over my previous hatred for her. Whatever, Lilisette looks absolutely fantastic even if I haven't ever played XI.Bahamut knows best (talk) 23:39, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Shockstorm (talk) 04:19, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I don't know who this is, but she has the words "Dancers in Distress" on her page and that appeals to me more than anything I know about Penelo. --Leon95 17:52, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Kimlasca warrior (talk) 04:30, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

This DNC description is both misleasding and rhetorical! Everyone knows the best Dancer is Bartz(followed by the rest of his crew), sexier, more graceful and way more awesome a character. But this is a more fair matchup. --AnonyMan (talk) 15:27, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well, nobody said that entry in the ultimate dance-off was compulsory. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 15:41, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
No one here would have actually shelled out money for a Bartz striptease. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:49, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
So you say, my friend. But hang on, no one said doing anything as risque as striptease, he'd dazzle with regular moves not set people ablaze with fiery volatile fabulous masculinity. To wich he'd dance circles around 'em.--AnonyMan (talk) 00:28, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
No, I did...I was implied in fight description with the line about the singles...Also, people need to stop treating Bartz as a dancer. He's got like 27 other jobs to pick from. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:25, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
You're right it is implied. Again, so you say, my friend. Yes, Butz has other Jobs to choose from but Dancer is this fight's theme and it debuted in FFV. If it were another V originated job it'd be the same.--AnonyMan (talk) 19:55, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
I'm saying I wrote the fight description so that's...ugh, never mind. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:20, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
OK, seriously, this has gone beyond stupid levels. If you want Bartz to be involved in a dance-off so badly, there's a nomination page you can use. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:30, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Whoa, nelly. Lighten up, brother. It's a peanut gallery, just joking around. Sheesh! If you don't like the B-Man that's cool. Any of the other Light Warriors will do. Haha. --AnonyMan (talk) 00:49, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
DSS: That is technically a true statement, as I hadn't posted yet in this week's fight when you said that ;) --Shockstorm (talk) 04:19, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
No one cares. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:58, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Dang. DSS, You sound a bit hostile, amigo. Someone poop on or in your chocobo?--AnonyMan (talk) 15:55, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Let's calm the farm people. Youtube we are notSquallisnotemo (talk) 01:40, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Week 251: Last Man Standing Round 38: Basch v. Setzer[edit source]

Gabranth alt2.png
LMS Icon.png
Setzer KHII.png
DEFENDING CHAMPION
BASCH FON RONSENBURG
FINAL FANTASY XII

VICTOR - 17 TO 15½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
SETZER GABBIANI
FINAL FANTASY VI

DEFEAT - 17 TO 15½
These two grizzled cynics have seen their fair share of scrapes, but both are stalwart allies once they've been brought to your side. Will the noble knight defend his title? Or will the risk-taker's gamble turn out in his favor? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. All hail the knight. And his epic pose too. King of Noobs 02:27, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  2. C A T U S E 02:28, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Harder to choose than expected.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:28, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  4. 7 - 7 - BAR... Game over Razordash03:28, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Me Gusta!!! Peanuts!!! Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:38, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Isn't that Gabranth from Dissidia in that picture? xD Anyway, I'm voting for Basch again. Rosa Farrell 05:42, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  7. -BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 07:26, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Cool old guy (36, so basically knocking on death's door in video game years). --Shockstorm (talk) 08:43, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Bahamut knows best (talk) 13:49, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Monterossa (talk) 14:10, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  11.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:01, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  12. ScatheMote 23:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  13. A more manly man. --Leon95 17:06, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Would have gone for Setzer had his image not been from KH. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png
  15.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:44, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
  16. I like Setzer as a character but I prefer my party members to be usefulSquallisnotemo (talk) 11:29, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
  17. JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:35, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Setzer[edit source]

  1. --BlueHighwind 02:23, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Was going to vote for Basch, but that's an impostor (again). - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:31, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  3. The only guy who LIKES the fact that you just swindled him. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 03:04, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  4. I simply cannot vote against a risk-taking gambler who doesn't get bothered at being deceived in a classy way! Free bird (talk) 04:34, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  5. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 05:08, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Sorry, that ain't Basch Fëasindë Peth 05:43, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  7. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 21:43, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  8. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:11, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Voting for the underdog here. Silverangel123 (talk) 01:59, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
  10. SidVI 19:25, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 06:45, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
  12. GoldenChocobo 16:21, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
  13. May the odds be ever in Setzer's favor. EdgarXTerra4ever 04:23, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Mainly because he needs it more. Otherwise, I'm torn. SlamShuffle19:12, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
  15. --ClixPsi (talk) 14:52, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 74.45.73.88 23:18, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

To those of you commenting on the image: finding good images for a fight, especially a cross-generation fight like this one, can be very hard. First of all, I have a personal rule not to reuse images already used for a character's current LMS run, which eliminates these four options. Now, going from there, you want two images that look fairly similar. Artwork to artwork, render to render. I would say sprite to sprite but two different sprite generations put together can look a lot worse than two different render generations put together, as in the above fight. Plus they're small. Now, let's add in the fact that well over half of Setzer's images are amano artwork, and that Basch has next to no artwork where he is the central/only figure present with minimal distracting background. Basch has plenty of spare cinematic images, but Setzer... Well, let's just say the alternative for Setzer's fight image was this and leave it at that. Jimcloud 06:53, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

@Squallisnotemo: well, I'd say that Setzer can be extremely useful, given the Fixed Dice + The Offering combo. He's always in my party, but maybe I'm a bit biased =P SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:55, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

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