Week 250: BAD FIGHT WEEK! Four quality* fights![edit source]

DSS's Fight: Cloud Strife v. Ultimecia[edit source]

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22 to 18½
DSS's comment: I've seen more than a few fans claim that Squall and Sephiroth would have matched up better as far as hero vs. villain go, as both are dark and brooding and have a penchant for leather and emotional problems. But this fight isn't about them, this fight is about who would be left over when the two bad boys realize they're a much better match for one another. So who will emerge victorious in this battle of irrelevancy? VICTOR
22 to 18½

Votes for Cloud[edit source]

  1.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 20:07, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Xepscern (talk) 20:09, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 20:10, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Spiky, broody, and has a moogle on his back. King of Noobs 20:13, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  5. ...wait, how long has that moogle been there!? O_O -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 20:25, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Jimcloud 21:19, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  7. --BlueHighwind 21:23, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  8. nobody likes Ultimecia. C A T U S E 21:25, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Can't go wrong with Cloud. --yeah_93 23:30, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Not a huge Cloud fan but I still like him somewhat, Ultemica on the other hand... --Ffgamesftw (talk) 23:58, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  11.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:24, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  12. In the original FF7, Cloud's hair is even more outrageous than Ultimecia's. SlamShuffle 16:27, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  13. I live by one simple rule in my life: never vote for Ultimecia under any circumstances. ScatheMote 18:02, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  14. This is a main character that kicks ass! I have nothing against Ultimecia, I just think Cloud is more badass. MechaKaiser, who else? (talk) 18:06, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Does this really need a reason?  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 19:07, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Just coz--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:48, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  17. It's Cloud; no other reason necessary! #DarkEmber (talk) 16:26, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Hero vote. EdgarXTerra4ever 02:01, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  19. SidVI 14:18, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Only because of Buster Sword. Silverangel123 (talk) 16:27, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Because of his badass sword. --CynderFlame (talk) 16:19, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 20:32, May 31, 2013 (UTC) Cloud has a clear goal in mind. Ultimecia hardly has a backstory. I think she's Ellone, but there's no real idea of why she's doing the whole Time Compression thing. And you see her once. Cloud, you see him all the time, he has a reason to fight... And his sword is awesome.
  2. My vote for delivering my favorite quote in FFVII: “Kaputter Reaktor...”. Is there any more demure statement? I don’t think so.-- 12:54, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Ultimecia[edit source]

  1. Rita Repulsa hair be pretty. Uh, kinda a pity vote. She gets mistakenly labeled as a last second arrival from nowhere in 8's story even though she absolutely wasn't.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:43, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Because it would be so much cooler if you could actually use GrieverSquallisnotemo (talk) 21:45, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Cloud is kinda overrated, and well she originated the idea for FFXIII-2 storyline; poor Caius wouldn't do it without her. And there are so little female antagonists in FFs: SE should be ashamed.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:47, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  4. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:35, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Ultimecia has always been underrated to me. She's a total diva and I like thatBahamut knows best (talk) 23:50, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Y so serious Cloud? U mad? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 00:32, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Damn, look at that sideboob. She's so much prettier with her hair down. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:48, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  8. I'm not overly fond of either, but something tells me that Ultimecia is going to need this vote more. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 06:16, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Her castle and art gallery show that she has taste. And I value elegant beauty. 09:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  10.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png10:00, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  11. She looks better here. MissH <3 16:21, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  12. --ClixPsi (talk) 21:50, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Griever! Make him bleed! JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:59, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  14. We need more Ultimecia cosplayer! GoldenChocobo 20:22, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Kloud, Kloud, Kloud. Kurse all Klouds. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 20:38, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Don't think I've seen a VII vs. VIII match that wasn't a landslide. Well, anyway, although Cloud was cool in some of his appearances, I actually thought he was a total loser in VII itself. So I'm gonna vote for Rinoa Boobs Ultimecia. FFV gilgamesh.gifGilgamesh812 04:01, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
  17. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4.png Flüstergras 10:29, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Ultimecia could have been a great villain, had Square not wasted so much of her potential. MirrorshardSceada 10:46, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 04:18, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Jimcloud's Fight: Jabbos v. Tenzen[edit source]

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Tenzen FFXI Ikeda Art.jpg
14 to 7
Jimcloud's comment: One of these characters became enamored with a race of "monsters", and was ostracized from his people for his attempts at humanizing them. The other is a hero of his people and would do anything to save them, even if it meant doing something monstrous. Also, we could be doing this every other week, so take a moment to be thankful that we're not. VICTOR
14 to 7

Votes for Jabbos[edit source]

  1. Xepscern (talk) 20:07, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. He looks cute, cuddly and hug-able. King of Noobs 20:14, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 20:25, May 26, 2013 (UTC)\
  4. Jabbos actually has an arc that amounted to more than just possessing a magical sword. I would vote for the Phoenix sword over Jabbos though.--ClixPsi (talk) 20:56, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Jabbos is adorable to the max. Also, Tenzen hangs out with the Chebukki twins, who are together the WORST COMIC RELIEF in ALL OF FINAL FANTASY. THE WORST. I DON'T CARE HOW BAD YOU THINK THE OTHERS ARE, THE CHEBUKKIS ARE THE WORST. Just by associating with them, Tenzen is that much worse. Jimcloud 21:19, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  6. <3C A T U S E 21:25, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Those goblins are cute!—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:49, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Bahamut knows best (talk) 23:50, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  9. 09:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  10.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png10:04, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I choose this person. ScatheMote 18:02, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Every guy that wants to do the right thing and move on to peace, even against common sense and knowing that he could be disapproved by society *(Ramza Beoulve) deserves my respect. JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:28, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  13. I don't know XI, so I flipped a coin.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:59, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Silverangel123 (talk) 16:26, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Tenzen[edit source]

  1. He's got a burning penis. I don't stand against people with fire dicks. --BlueHighwind 21:26, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:37, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. DAT FIRE COCK!!! Free Hot Dogs! Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 00:33, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:25, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  5. SidVI 14:18, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Because Goblins usually annoy me. GoldenChocobo 20:23, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I unfortunately know not much about XI, much less than I'd like to, but I gotta say... A Katana with Phoenix sealed in it? Nice. MirrorshardSceada 10:47, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Scathe's Fight: Strago Magus v. Umaro[edit source]

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15 to 10
Scathe's comment: Most battles are about who is stronger. This is not one of those battles. Indeed, this battle is the exact opposite: it is a showdown between the two weakest characters in Final Fantasy VI. But whose weakness will lead them to a pitiful victory? Will Strago actually managed to pull his weight for once? Will Umaro actually do anything but attack? The answer is probably no. VICTOR
15 to 10

Votes for Strago[edit source]

  1. Xepscern (talk) 20:11, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Scathe, you of all people should know that Strago is the best in every way -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 20:26, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi (talk) 20:54, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Jimcloud 21:19, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  5. THE MAN WITH THE IRON MOHAWK! --BlueHighwind 21:23, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Umaro has yet to return. I AM DISAPPOINT UMARO VOTERS. C A T U S E 21:25, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Bahamut knows best (talk) 23:49, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  8. He isn't completely useless. After the 3 ladies his magic stat is 4th best and his lores aren't half bad. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 23:59, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Mixin' it up baby!!! I still has candy. Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 00:30, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  10.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:26, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  11.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png10:01, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  12. MissH <3 16:24, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  13. The time is nigh for Strago's return. Strago is the best (ignore what I said in the opening, I was trying to be unbiased). ScatheMote 18:02, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Why do people gotta hate on Strago's blue mage swagger? FFV gilgamesh.gifGilgamesh812 04:03, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Strago was actually one of my better characters, whereas Umaro was simply recruited and thrown on the airship, end of story. MirrorshardSceada 10:47, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Umaro[edit source]

  1. Strago may have an epic 'stache, but Umaro's body's covered in hair, I think that beats a 'stache. King of Noobs 20:15, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Umaro is the perfect ally for those who prefer throwing their friends at the enemy as their primary method of attack, which I must admit, is my preferred method. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:27, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:37, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Pity vote. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 06:21, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I was going to skip this one, but then I read DSS's vote. 09:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  6. He needs this vote more, and his attacks, though simple, are effective. JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:12, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  7. I'm worried that if I vote against him, he'll throw me at Strago.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:50, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  8. SidVI 14:18, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  9. He's a ninja too! He throws stuff. Silverangel123 (talk) 16:24, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  10. You get almost all of Strago's useful spells in the final dungeon. This is useless! GoldenChocobo 20:24, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Mental note to never become DSS's friend. I prefer not being flung around as a method of beating the crap out of something. King of Noobs 17:56, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Silly Bonus Fight: Terra's hair, when she lets down at the end of Final Fantasy VI v. Garnet's hair, after she cuts it[edit source] DNC Versus.png
Garnet's Hair
18 to 15
We've taken the liberty of removing any image intruding on this fight. Anyway, this is a fight about character development…and hair. Terra lets down her hair after triumphantly defeating Kefka while Garnet cuts hers and learns how to cope with tragedy. Both are memorable scenes, but which hair was more memorable? Who will be the last hair standing? VICTOR
Garnet's Hair
18 to 15

Votes for Terra's Hair[edit source]

  1. I'm against Garnet cutting her hair, she was so cute with it long and she ruining it by cutting it off! Garnet I like you and you butt is pretty soft but cutting off your hair made me sad. Now Terra you're lovely green hair flowing in the wind is such a lovely way end VI.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 20:15, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi (talk) 20:53, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Garnet's hair cut symbolizes her character growth, but in the same manner Terra letting her hair down symbolizes her newfound freedom in a world where she doesn't have to fear magic, Kefka's or her own. In terms of appearances, Garnet was much prettier with long hair, while Terra with green hair is classic. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:29, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  4. The only positive thing about Garnet with short hair is her tushie being more visible. Voting for Terra and her adorable flowing hair <3  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.pngSilent Voice (talk) 21:48, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Tough choice as I feel both scenes really emphasize an important moment for the characters but slight edge to Terra as I liked Garnet with Long hair better --Ffgamesftw (talk) 00:03, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Underdog bitches!!! Jelly? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 00:29, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  7.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:27, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  8. I really like long hair. Draga (talk) 11:55, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Terra's scene is less about her hair and more about the moment. Kefka has been vanquished, she saved her friends followed by them saving her, she survived the fall of magic, she learned what it means to love, and she finally allows herself to enjoy life. Epitomizing all of that by feeling the wind blow through her hair is a powerful yet subtle point. In comparison, loss of innocence haircut is both weaker and more hyped. SlamShuffle 16:40, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Garnet's hair without her face terrifies me. I even photoshopped that and it terrifies me. ScatheMote 18:02, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I don't get why Garnet needed to cut her hair in order to symbolize her loss of innocence and acceptance of it. Couldn't she have done all of that important stuff in a scene where she doesn't mutilate her lovely long hair? That shit takes like many months to grow back. ;_; - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:03, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  12. The Terra hair scene is more realistic (ignoring that Dagger's was actually 3D). Seriously, how'd she get it so straight with a freaking knife?--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:56, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  13. SidVI 14:18, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Silverangel123 (talk) 16:22, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  15. At the end of the game Garnet has got long hair again... GoldenChocobo 20:25, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

1. 20:30, May 31, 2013 (UTC) I like Terra's thing. It meant that she was no longer bound by her Esper powers... Letting your hair down indeed! Garnet was fine, but I liked it better long.

Votes for Garnet's Hair[edit source]

  1. With or without long hair, Garnet is still adorable. Xepscern (talk) 20:07, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I like short hair. Tends to look so much cuter. King of Noobs 20:16, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Sorry Terra, but taking off a headband is hardly a grand gesture compared to actually cutting your hair. And Garnet's hair is nicer anyway -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 20:27, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  4. She stole my hairdo. --BlueHighwind 21:22, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  5. GARNET HAIR <3 C A T U S E 21:25, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Gotta go with G-nizzle. Much more memeroable also didn't happen at the end of her game, because she grew it back.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:46, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Even though I hate howGarnet looks with short hair, she feels to have more tragic life than Terra.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 21:51, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  8. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:38, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Bahamut knows best (talk) 23:49, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 06:21, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Although I prefer Garnet with long hair, the loss of innocence symbolised by her cutting her hair is poignant. 10:00, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  12.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png10:03, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  13. More dramatic. Also, this is the kind of hair I'd love to sport if I were given more freedom to do so. MissH <3 16:26, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Epic moment! The last words before the cut: "Zidane...Remember the way I was...for me." In those times of great despair for Garnet, when she starts talking about herself in the past tense, I felt like something tragic was going to happen, and it seems that Zidane thought so too, as his action of running after her shows it. In a few seconds (due to the haircut), all that atmosphere vanishes and another takes place, the feeling of freedom, as the princess become a queen, someone capable of controlling her own actions and life. Besides, what Xepscern said above. JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:55, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
  15. She's still a sexy, beautiful, badass, even after she cuts her hair (I actually think she looks better this way too - but that's just me) --Likechip (talk) 23:14, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Vercery 00:01, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Garnet/Dagger is still my favorite Final Fantasy heroine, whether her hair is long, or short. Also, she gave herself a pretty good clean, straight cut with a rusty old knife, maybe she should retire from the damsel-in-distress industry and become a barber. FFV gilgamesh.gifGilgamesh812 04:07, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Not only do I prefer Garnet to Terra, but I also feel her "hair moment" was much more meaningful and noticeworthy. MirrorshardSceada 10:49, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

That, and this kind of "fight" is not silly at all. It's a comparison of plot/character development, and not just merely between two characters, as is always done here. (If not, then a fight between characters' hairstyles is certainly different enough to pique your interest, don't you think? :) ) MissH <3 16:31, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, Cloud versus Ultimecia isn't a hair fight too? SlamShuffle16:45, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure. It's just that both Terra's and Garnet's hair moments had some significance to their plot/character in their respective games, while Cloud's an Ultimecia's fight has minimal, if not no, common ground whatsoever. But which one between chocobo hair and horns in hair the people prefer? I can't see why not. *cough*Horns are in*cough* :) MissH <3 18:52, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
I think you guys are missing the point of Bad Fight Week. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:38, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my question without me asking scathmote. I was curious if you found these images or just did some photoshopping. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 18:28, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

@Scathe - almost as bad as faceless Squall. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:12, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Week 249: Ace v. Setzer Gabbiani[edit source]

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Which of these light-haired pretty boys is the greater wielder of cards? Who will have lady luck on their side, and who will be left fumbling with their deck? Who believes in the heart of the cards? Prepare yourselves, because...
It's time to D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-DUEL!

Votes for Ace[edit source]

  1. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png13:11, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  2.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png15:04, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  3. I hope most of you on the wiki have at least signed the petition by now.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 16:37, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  4. kinda bishie, actually C A T U S E 17:37, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Cat makes an excellent point - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 00:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  6. If Ace wins, does that mean Type-0 gets released? --BlueHighwind 00:20, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Sorry Setzer, I'm sending you to the Shadow Realm. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 07:44, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Hmmm.....this is tough, but I resides to Ace..not only he has tons of cards that ranges from offensive to defensive and supportive as well, he also can create the laser cannon from the cards!! Who's with me?!--Nur Fadzila (talk) 10:46, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I finally decided. I'll vote for the one who's NAMED after a card, even if unintentionally, who knows, can't play the game. King of Noobs 12:18, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  10. SidVI 13:35, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  11. a lot better character. Monterossa (talk) 13:52, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  12. For the name, I guess. 8bit 06:23, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Ace! Bright Mage (talk) 22:26, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 20:59, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Setzer[edit source]

  1. Hard voting for a character from a game that I know nothing about. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 11:52, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I'm not Japanese, so I don't know who is the other guy. GoldenChocobo 13:58, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  3. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 15:12, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi (talk) 16:10, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Like the others said, my knowledge of the other guy is next to nothing. --Time Master (talk) 17:24, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Setzer is not a "pretty boy". He's a charming MAN.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png18:07, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  7. That's right Setzer uses cards as a weapon NOT A FOAM BAT!!! --Ffgamesftw (talk) 19:32, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  8. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:54, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Voting here merely because Setzer is the one I know something about, but Yugi is the only true master of cards, and no one can beat him, MWAHAHAHAHA. JC Holy Knight (talk) 23:58, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
  10. #DarkEmber (talk) 00:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Both characters fight with cards, but as lame as that is; Setzer is a cool guy. I know knoithng about Ace, what I know from him of the demo is that it seems like he is pretty bland. --yeah_93 01:30, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Setzer is just cooler. Looks cooler, more interesting and a risk-taker of a man. Also he can sling dice if he gets bored whuppin' Ace's ass with cards. Also owned 2 airships.--AnonyMan (talk) 14:55, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  13. ScatheMote 19:38, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  14. I like Setzer and who the fuck is that other guy. --Leon95 19:52, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  15. EdgarXTerra4ever 23:03, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Hmmm... Ace fights with cards against Empire made powerful by newly developed Magitek armor. Voting for the original. SlamShuffle 19:29, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Please, like this is really a contest.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 02:48, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Cause I love Setzer's name. --CynderFlame (talk) 06:03, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Not my favorite character, but I still like him. Rosa Farrell 13:30, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
  20. I mix it up, and go for favorite, Jelly? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:25, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Ante up! Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 21:13, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
  22. Setzer was basically the Demon-King of super damage when I played VI and was the only one of my original 4 person party to make it all the way through the fight with Kefka. Celes, Sabin, and Terra all died and were replaced. Ace is super cute tho.Bahamut knows best (talk) 07:47, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Joker's Death FTW! -- 16:52, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

What petition? Project Crystallis? C A T U S E 17:37, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Operation Suzaku, actually.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 17:42, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Mm. I'm not a big fan of Operation Suzaku because, while their end goal is indeed great, their means are ... eh. For example, "As a first “physical contact” with Square Enix, Operation Suzaku will send them 10,000 pennies as soon as the petition reach 10,000 signatures. This way, they won’t be able to ignore the operation and will know that a high demand exists." - that won't show anything (10,000 isn't enough for a huge game like Type-0 to profit off of, iirc) and will just make the secretary who opens that box have a very bad day. C A T U S E 17:48, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah I found that part a little odd. I think that whole penny thing was done a little while ago actually, but there are a few other things they do to let Square know about the want for Type-0 outside of Japan. But it doesn't hurt to just sign the petition, which literally takes only a minute or two.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 17:53, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Is there a link for this petition? and is there a way to get them to make the content of other games the same everywhere, and not just for certain regions? --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:56, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Square-Enix will just laugh at the petition and use the pennies to make XIII-4. Hundred-dollar budget? Why not. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 00:20, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
Here's the link to the petition itself and here is a link to the Operation Suzaku site.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 00:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiousity, how do the folks voting for Ace know him? Did they play the Japanese version of the game, read the novels, or just read about him on the wiki?SlamShuffle 19:27, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

It's obvious they did one or all of those things. It's just like any other time people vote for a character they stated they don't know about. Don't forget not every vote for someone is a vote FOR them as it is a spite vote against the other.--AnonyMan (talk) 22:24, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well, guess I'm just weird then. I voted for the card-themed name. King of Noobs 01:06, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
I'm actually watched the walkthrough...with my mediocre knowledge of Japanese, I was able to know him ;)--Nur Fadzila (talk) 08:44, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
@Anonyman - I'm assuming your first sentence is sarcastic, because otherwise I don't get how it matches up with the following two. While I'm not surprised some of the votes for Ace are for appearance (e.g. Cat) or are really votes against Setzer (e.g. DSS), some of the comments (e.g. Nur) indicate familiarity with Ace. Since the game hasn't been released outside of Japan, I was wondering which alternative medium they had encountered him through. And if they voted for him without knowing a lot about him, that's fine too. SlamShuffle 20:10, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
I honestly wasn't being sarcastic. Then again, I probably shouldn't have used the word "obvious" as that's more often than not a sign of sarcasm in text. But yeah, DNC votes can just lack all basis of sense in the choice. Loll.--AnonyMan (talk) 23:19, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I must have misunderstood you. I thought in the first sentence you were saying people DID know him through one of the choices I gave, and in the second, you were saying that they DIDN'T know him. But after reading it again, maybe you meant those were substitutes for knowing him through the game? Anyway, don't want to make a big deal, since I was just trying to find out which method (if any) people used to learn about Ace. SlamShuffle 20:21, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
My vote was anti-Setzer? lolwat? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:34, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
Got mixed up by the 'shadow realm' comment. Given anonyman's comment about spite votes, yours was the closest to an anti-Setzer vote I could see. My mistake. SlamShuffle 20:21, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
Nope, it was just playing on the YGO theme of the fight that seems to have been lost on most people :s To answer your question, I think a few of the pro-Ace voters went to that side because we wish we had Type-0, but ultimately, vote rationale really doesn't matter unless it's obnoxious. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 23:37, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
Ace could have won this fight if Type-0 has been localized. Monterossa (talk) 10:03, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

@Silent Voice-Of course not he's a Charming Pretty MAN. You can be pretty and manly at the same time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is foolishly mistaken --AnonyMan (talk) 22:28, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

While this is turning out to be a bit of a landslide, I would like to say it's good that another game is getting represented. There are a lot of the games which get largely ignored (some for good reason, but others not so much) --Pzykosiz (talk) 03:47, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Week 248: Last Man Standing Round 37: Basch v. Rufus[edit source]

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VICTORY - 25 to 11½
DEFEAT - 25 to 11½
Our two competitors for this week's Last Man Standing are rather different. One took the fall for murdering his liege despite being a man of integrity, and the other took power after his father's untimely death, despite his own less-than-honorable actions when his father was in power. They do share one thing in common: this battle, where one will move on to the next battle, and the other will fall. Will the honorable knight or the conniving businessman win this fight? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. Don't listen to Shinra's lies! Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:07, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Rufus never impressed me. Basch however did. MirrorshardSceada 22:15, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:52, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Basch knows something of battles.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png23:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I don't always claim to be Captain Basch...but when I do...I let a kid with painted on abs scream it from the rooftops. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 23:05, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  6. EDEA LIVES. --BlueHighwind 23:15, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Rufus is a badass, but he doesn't live up to his evil reputation. Basch is a badass and lives up perfectly to his good reputation. C A T U S E 23:26, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  8. He at least redeemed himself. Rufus, not to sure about that. King of Noobs 23:30, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  9. No contest --Ffgamesftw (talk) 00:46, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  10. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:09, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --Pzykosiz (talk) 01:13, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  12.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:05, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Rosa Farrell 05:41, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  14. It takes rugged debonairness to rock his FFXII bum look and not get laughed at. Also his english VA is very good. --AnonyMan (talk) 17:06, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  15. --Leon95 17:16, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Unfortunately, I missed the last fight (maybe edea could be here...) but know I'm here, certain that the knight will be the champion! JCHK 01:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Honorable knight vs conniving businessman, no contest.
  18. --ClixPsi (talk) 22:00, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Can create a black hole with just his fists. SidVI 16:11, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
  20. I know I'm extending a landslide, but this is an easy choice for me. --Time Master (talk) 18:25, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Basch lives!! Monterossa (talk) 18:40, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
  22. My man will win!Bahamut knows best (talk) 02:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
  23. Landslide! --yeah_93 02:47, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
  24. HahahahHEHEHEHAHAHEAAHEEAH Username0820 03:33, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
  25. Problem, Rufus? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 22:41, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Rufus[edit source]

  1. ScatheMote 22:58, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I don't care much for either, so this is a pity vote more than anything. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 00:36, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Yay for pity votes! SetzerLeonhart (talk) 02:15, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  4. I vote rufus because his entrance (and quick exit) on top of Shinra building was epic! Onechord (talk) 09:16, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Poor Rufus. Jimcloud 18:50, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Free bird (talk) 22:20, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Wow, I thought Rufus would own this fight.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 03:04, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
  8. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:16, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
  9. While I like that Basch proves that Square is equal opportunity in having strange segments of cloth cut out of outfits, I can't vote for him for reasons I will explain in the comments.SlamShuffle 19:45, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
  10. FFXII failed in the 'hero' department and I don't really feel Basch in the story. Rufus seems much more believable than him.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 20:37, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I really think that Rufus is a better character than Basch. GoldenChocobo 14:13, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Come on Rufus! This Basch person uses antiquated weaponry obviously. The toys of Shinra Inc. are far superior. -- 13:17, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@Rufus Anon#1: So we're just ignoring the fact that many Shinra fools lost their fights (and lives) against Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, Red XIII, Cid, and Yuffie, who themselves use "antiquated" equipment. And let's not also forget the fact that two of the most badarse Turks in the game use fairly old-style equipment as well, Reno uses a baton and Rude just punches people. If Final Fantasy should have taught you anything, old tech > new tech. King of Noobs 12:43, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Way to take a clear joke too seriously, Noob. Besides any Shinra employee will tell you Cloud and crew plowed through them because they cheated using an assload of marbles. And magic beats tech...unless it's the Ghostbusters.--AnonyMan (talk) 22:28, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
AnonyMan is correct I was kidding there. After all I needed a somewhat strong argument to dedicate this whole ½ vote point to Rufus. -- 15:22, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
My bad then. I'm horrible at picking up things like jokes or sarcasm on the net. Especially without the tell-tale :P after the post. King of Noobs 21:56, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't played XII, so I read through his entry to see if I would consider voting for him over Rufus. For most of the game, he seems like exactly the sort of 'honorable no matter what' knight that I love Cyan for being. But his choice at the end of the game makes no sense to me. Rufus' Advent Children switch makes far more sense to me. Switching subjects, I blame the landslide against Rufus on the fact that Basch's art looks like one of Barney Stinson in a mildly elaborate pick-up attempt.SlamShuffle 19:54, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well thanks a lot! I can now never unsee that image! Forever will my knight in shining armor be related to sleazy Barney Stinson. I'm devastated.Bahamut knows best (talk) 07:51, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Suit of armor up! Now, if I can just get you to imagine Wayne Brady inside of Gabranth's armor, my work is complete. SlamShuffle 19:21, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Which choice are you referring to? The fact that he followed his brother's dying wish to protect Larsa? --Pzykosiz (talk) 08:55, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Correct. If I'm reading it correctly, in order to follow his brother's dying wish to protect his brother's charge, he has to leave his own charge and work for the nation that has destroyed so much in his life. I may be reading it incorrectly, but if that's accurate, the closest parallel I can think of is Cyan defending Gesthal at Leo's request (the analogy doesn't totally fit, but captures how much of a reversal it feels like). SlamShuffle 19:21, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
I haven't finished FF12, but last time I checked, Larsa wasn't an evil old Emperor with a lust for power. --yeah_93 22:34, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
In fact, he goes so far as to stick his sword in Vayne during the final battle, giving rise to a truly awful crackship. C A T U S E 22:46, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
I can say that this must be canon after having seen some fanart postings demonstrating their passion and love for one another. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:03, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
!Fanart=canon! - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:27, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
I think the main thing to remember with Basch working for Larsa is that keeping Larsa as emperor is beneficial to all the lands. Basch was at that point (presumably) one of the 6 most powerful people in all of Ivalice and therefore could protect Larsa from physical threats as well as political pressure by keeping him on an honorable and noble path like himself. Gabranth knew he'd lost his honor in his search for revenge, whereas Basch had always been a good and noble man. Gabranth wanted more than anything to keep Larsa safe and kind. Bahamut knows best (talk) 23:16, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
I had only read the entries for Basch and the kingdoms he fought for when I made my comment. Probably should have read Larsa's as well, because between his page and the comments above, Basch's choice makes more sense now (still question leaving his current charge though). Recommend adding to Basch's page to explicitly call out the fact that he's serving the good of Ivalice as well as his brother's dying wish. (also, apologies if it's taboo to add to the peanut gallery this late. Didn't see anything against it in the rules.) Slamshuffle 19:24, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Week 247: Rufus v. Edea[edit source]

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FF8 Edea Battle.png
24 to 22
Today, Rufus and Edea face off. These two have more in common than one would think: both come to power after the assassination of the president and after a change of heart (or the removal of the possession of an evil witch) join forces with the heroes. Who who shall claim victory and face off against Basch next round? VICTOR
24 to 22

Votes for Rufus[edit source]

  1. -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 15:15, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I still think he's an Al Bhed. Monterossa (talk) 15:16, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Drake Clawfang (talk) 15:16, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Nah, I think Edea's not hot enough. --CynderFlame (talk) 15:18, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Anyone who goes to battle with just a sawed-off shotgun gets my vote. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:50, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Rufus, my arch-nemesis! The one whom I couldn't defeat when I played FFVII for the first time! Alright, so maybe I have gotten better at video games. On a side note, I really like the FFVII battle models for some reason (maybe because they are sorta minimalist and terrible?). ScatheMote 18:57, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  7. isn't involved in the worst plot twist known to FF --Ffgamesftw (talk) 19:07, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Crapilation aside Rufus was in the game with a more coherent story. Also dat shotgun is a nice touch, no fancy fancy magic or "kool" exoctic melee weapon, just a gun. Like Batman.--AnonyMan (talk) 19:41, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  9. King of Noobs 19:58, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  10. He was in a wheelchair and then jumped off a building. Totally gets my vote.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png
  11. "A good son would have known." --FireKnight251 20:58, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  12. --Pzykosiz (talk) 03:13, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Onechord (talk) 12:52, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Very tough choice, but I think I like Rufus' character just a tad better. Free bird (talk) 22:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
  15.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 15:36, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  16. I agree with Ffgamesftw. The orphanage thing is really horrible. GoldenChocobo 16:44, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  17.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 20:41, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Cloud killed his dog. What a mean, sadistic person - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:05, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
  19. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 03:36, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Everything interesting about Edea was actually Ultimecia. Once the possession stops, so does the awesome. Even after his change of heart, Rufus is still tough enough to jump from a skyscraper without a parachute. SlamShuffle 19:21, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
  21. --yeah_93 05:32, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  22. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite.png 13:58, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  23. Stop that stupid horse laugh. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:13, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Edea’s reflect spells don’t stand a chance against the savaging bite of Rufus’ Dark Nation. -- 12:33, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 11:47, May 12, 2013 (UTC) Can't let Edea win this one !

Votes for Edea[edit source]

  1. EDEA DOES NOT SOW. --BlueHighwind 15:22, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Pro-mage. Don't care for guns. Dogurasu (talk) 15:48, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi (talk) 16:25, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Icicle spears through the heart don't kill people; ridiculous fantheories about icicle spears kill people. Or at least their sanity. C A T U S E 16:49, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I'm still mad at Rufus for being alive in Advent Children. I saw you die, Rufus! --Leon95 19:22, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  6. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 21:09, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  7. They're both pretty cool but Edea can walk through wallsSquallisnotemo (talk) 21:24, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Edea gets my vote mostly because she's losing, but also because I enjoyed wielding her magics for a time, after they'd been repeatedly used against me in battle! --Time Master (talk) 21:40, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Advent Children ruined Rufus for me. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 03:39, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
  10. What can I say? She's the only VIII character I liked besides Quistis. Bahamut knows best (talk) 14:13, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Magic > Guns. Username0820 12:44, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
  12. To make this a bit more interesting. U mad bro? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 02:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Bolder inauguration speech, and her theme music actually strikes more fear than that of Rufus', IMO. MissH <3 03:44, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
  14. --Kingkillerbee (talk) 21:41, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Edea is actually pretty awesome when possesed and when not she is still a strong and good character. Milescaligo204.169.21.130 12:56, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Rufus was never very threatening in the scope of VII while Edea dominated every scene she was in. Lycropath (talk) 19:36, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Edea actually killed President Deling. Rufus is just an opportunist who tried to kill his father. My vote goes to the murderess. CylindrusAltum, 07:17, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I don't like VIII, but I have to admit that Edea is the show stealer of that game. Certainly a better villain than Ultimecia. Compare to Rufus, who has to contend with Sephy and his own employees for more memorable villain and fails horribly. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:20, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
  19.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:58, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Rosa Farrell 06:22, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
  21. FOR THE TIE! Oh, and also for Magic being more of my thing than shotguns. MirrorshardSceada 09:58, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 15:44, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
  2. DAT PARADE. *zomg* 12:08, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@Ffgamesftw - How is finding out that Edea is possessed by a time witch a worse twist than finding out that Exdeath is actually a really pissed off tree?Squallisnotemo (talk) 07:57, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think they're referring to the whole Edea's Orphanage thing. Which personally I don't find as outrageous as everyone goes on about, but it was somewhat unnecessary to the plot... Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 12:23, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
It HAS to be the orphanage thing. It's rather consistently the most critized part of 8's plot. And hey, Exdeath's origin isn't bad. A little silly, maybe, but FFV is one of the silliest games in the main series. And that Tree had a tough job.--AnonyMan (talk) 23:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

So many close fights of late. I LOVE IT! King of Noobs 23:08, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ditto, I love these close ones! Free bird (talk) 02:35, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Milescaligo: I'm not going to scrub your vote, but you might want to log in and try again with your sig. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:20, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Week 246: Last Man Standing Round 36: Basch fon Ronsenburg v. Beatrix[edit source]

Basch Final Fantasy XII-2.jpg
LMS Icon.png
VICTORY - 26½ to 23
DEFEAT - 26½ to 23
Honor, loyalty, and badass knight skills. Does Basch have what it takes to overcome Beatrix in his first title defense? Who will be the last knight standing?

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. As great as Beatrix truly is, Basch lets a stupid kid run around shouting "Basch lives" in a hostile city-state during a terrible minigame. Only a real man (or woman, sorry Beatrix) would be willing to go through something like that. C A T U S E 05:55, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  2.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 08:18, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  3. This is the first time a vote has actually ever been hard for me. But Basch is my man and I'm sticking with him.Bahamut knows best (talk) 10:19, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  4. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 10:56, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  5.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:10, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  6. --Time Master (talk) 15:07, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  7. SidVI 15:52, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  8. For Laaandiiiiiiis. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:12, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Monterossa (talk) 20:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Compelling reasons for both sides. But Basch carries his game much more than Beatrix does hers. 8bit 00:09, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Beatrix is more the badass, but Basch has one thing going for him. He isn't the temporary character. Razordash03:19, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  12. I really like Beatrix, but Basch is still one of my favorite FF characters. ♥ Rosa Farrell 05:48, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  13. What Cat said - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 08:33, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  14. ScatheMote 19:35, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Because I get to actually use him for most of the game. I prefer to utilise my badasserySquallisnotemo (talk) 06:47, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Beatrix's hand is too strange.. GoldenChocobo 16:50, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  17. - Paramina (talk) 18:31, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Basch has enough honor to accept atonement for his brothers sake while Beatrix receives not even a slap on her wrist for war crimes, so I think I'll go with him.Lycropath (talk) 19:32, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  19. At least I still have chicken. Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 21:02, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Beatrix's battle theme is badass (Mystery Sword, not Rose of May), and both are good chars; but at least Bash appears more than half an hour the game he is in. --yeah_93 22:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite.png 22:48, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  22. Though I like both characters, Basch is easily my choice because he's an actual playable character instead of just a temporary one. #DarkEmber (talk) 01:53, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
  23. Tetraninja321 12:14, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
  24. Basch lives! Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 19:42, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
  25.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png23:20, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
  26. --Leon95 19:54, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 16:35, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Beatrix[edit source]

  1. She's the breast-I mean best character in my not so humble opinion. --FireKnight251 05:54, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Beatrix's a badass character, not the best for me though, and I totally don't like Basch. --CynderFlame (talk) 06:37, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  3. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 06:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Easy choice for me. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 13:02, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Wish she could have been a permanent party member...Balthierfan (talk) 13:11, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Doesn't take much thought. --BlueHighwind 16:53, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  7. No contest for me. Free bird (talk) 18:00, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  8. A very difficult choice, but Beatrix's badass Seiken skills tip the scales. Drake Clawfang (talk) 18:13, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  9. For she who needs only one sword and one skill set to annihilate any opposition. Dogurasu (talk) 18:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  10. I seriously had to flip a coin for this one. So much badass potential in this fight. King of Noobs 18:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --Kingkillerbee (talk) 22:56, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Tough choice but Beatrix is superior --Ffgamesftw (talk) 04:52, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  13. --Pzykosiz (talk) 05:58, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Although FF9 has two cooler knight permanent party members. Gotta go with B-trizzle. As XII's coolest character is really only as cool as IX'a least coolest cjaracter(Garnet)--AnonyMan (talk) 14:12, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Save the Queen, Beatrix.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 14:19, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Jimcloud 15:00, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Because finally getting access to her skillset was pretty sweet. SlamShuffle 19:28, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
  18. This landslide allows me to vote for Beatrix without being torn apart by guilt.  Silent Voice  Babychocobo.png
  19. She's slightly more awesome.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 02:40, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
  20. For the fact she kicked my ass, it has to be Beatrix -user:kuja114 22:50, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
  21. This battle may well be lost, but nontheless does my allegiance stay with the fair lady Beatrix MirrorshardSceada 22:32, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
  22. This was a very hard decision for me, as I said below both are great charaters in their respective games. But after hearing (again) the Rose of May lyrics written and sung by Erutan (aka Kate), that describes so well Beatrix's personality and story, I have no choice but to cast my vote here. JC Holy Knight (talk) 01:21, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Beatrix all the way 14:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
  2. There is only one thing more badass than a badass playble character: a badass non-playble character. 19:39, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I need to vote here more often, my arena needs the exposure anymore. Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'd tell you to stop whoring your arena here, but I'm not exactly sure that's what you were trying to say. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:36, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

After the previous two DNC battles were considerable landslides, it seems that this one here is going to be a considerably close one. Makes sense seeing as how we have two supremely awesome knight characters going at it, here! Free bird (talk) 22:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking of something to put on here, but you already said everything, both are indeed great characters. JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:50, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

I'm curious, what exactly makes Basch badass? I understand Beatrix, but Basch doesn't seem to be badass type to me. It's not a knock on him, I just see him as a humble knight. Razordash04:02, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Badassery excepts all kinds, Basch carried himself with quiet diginty and honor and went through hell doing it. Most of Bea's cred comes from her power anyway(and she's not the most badass IX character) You don't need to be overwhelmingly powerful to be a badass.--AnonyMan (talk) 04:45, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

How long does this fight last? I want to wait until the very last minute to pull out all my hair trying to choose between two of my favorite FF characters. Silent Voice (talk) 09:38, April 30C)

Fights last one week, from Sunday to Sunday. Or at least they're supposed to, but our committee have interesting sleep schedules. :p C A T U S E 02:57, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

@Lycro-That's a really good point. Closest to a reprimand she gets is being called out by Zidane on her loyalty just prior to actually changing sides. I might actually change my vote now.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, people tend to dismiss war crimes in the world of Final Fantasy. I always wondered why Seifer wasn't executed after the events of Final Fantasy VIII - instead he just lives peacefully in Balamb. The man was a deranged war criminal. Though I always assumed Beatrix was let off the hook on account of her helping save the world. Plus, I'd find it hard to believe that Garnet of all people would have Beatrix persecuted. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 02:38, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Week 245: Beatrix v. Leo[edit source]

Beatrix menu.jpg
DNC Versus.png
Leo Cristophe menu.png
21 to 13
These two warriors are both noble knights who struggle between their devotions to their lord and their devotions to their ideals, putting them in opposition to the party for a time. They're also both obscenely powerful for the point in the game that they are involved in, and you get to play as both of them once! Shame about that whole temporary thing. VICTOR
21 to 13

Votes for Beatrix[edit source]

  1. Save The Queen, plz - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 09:26, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  2. For absolutely destroying me in a battle I didn't know I was meant to lose at first.....Squallisnotemo (talk) 09:44, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Beatrix commends Leo's courage, but she will show him no mercy - Silent Voice (talk) 09:54, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Rosa Farrell 10:16, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Three words: Roses Of May Draga (talk) 10:27, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 12:06, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  7. For taking badass temp character to a whole new level. King of Noobs 12:34, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  8. C A T U S E 13:35, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Dat eyepatch. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 17:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  10. 'Cause she's better. --Leon95 18:55, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  11. --ClixPsi (talk) 22:07, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  12. --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:09, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Best guest character ever! Bahamut knows best (talk) 23:29, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  14. While it is unfortunate that General Leo is trailing behind in the votes for being such a phenomenal character, General Beatrix is thee single greatest temp character in FF history! Free bird (talk) 01:15, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
  15.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:01, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
  16. I can't vote against her; as an enemy, she is so powerful we can never defeat her, and as an ally she is very useful (even if only for a little...), besides that her story and noble spirit are to be remembered, as well as her theme. JC Holy Knight (talk) 23:57, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
  17. As far as I know, Beatrix is the only person in Final fantasy history that kicks the players butt three times, and never loses to them. It's personally the one person I wish I could win against. Razordash05:47, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Leo has got a memorable death scene in Thamasa, but Beatrix is a better character. GoldenChocobo 15:53, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
  19.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 22:11, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
  20. U Jell-o? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 22:31, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 17:38, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 10:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC) Go, Save the Queen!

Votes for Leo[edit source]

  1. Poor guy doesn't deserve the landslide. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 10:34, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Tetraninja321 11:30, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  3. SidVI 13:26, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Voting for Leo because he is behind can't decide otherwise --Ffgamesftw (talk) 17:19, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Poor Leo... Monterossa (talk) 19:38, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Both characters are great, but Leo gets my vote because he's losing rather badly, and I commend him for his great morality, battle prowess, and perseverance just before his tragic death at Kefka's hands. --Time Master (talk) 21:01, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Shockingly, I'm going Leo. Mainly for being just as revered and formidable but without the ability of magic in a world where it's rare and powerful. Also less morally ambiguous in his first appearances.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:33, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
  8. A moment of silence - not for those who have died, but for those about to. (Metaphorically speaking.) Dogurasu (talk) 09:40, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
  9. A great man, who cared just as much for the well-being of his enemies as he did for his allies, and understands the value of human life. I don't believe any minor, temporary character in any media has ever left such a lasting impression on me. Gilgamesh812 (talk) 21:44, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
  10. ScatheMote 21:55, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Both could wage war. Only Leo was able to forge peace (however brief it may have been) SlamShuffle 18:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Leo would rather die than hook up with some annoying knight.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 06:46, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
  13. I like Beatrix more and that's why I'm voting Leo.BH is the best (talk) 13:52, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Yeah -- I'm real late on this one. I could make up any number of excuses, valid in the eyes of some (i.e. me), but the fact of the matter is, I'm late. Again. I'm sorry, guys. Jimcloud 09:22, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

You're fired. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 09:27, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hey just wanted to point out that the description is wrong you get to play as beatrix twice and leo once. First you play as beatrix in the escape from alexandria scene and then later in the part where kuja attacks alexandria --Ffgamesftw (talk) 17:18, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I decided to use "once" to colloquially refer to "a few times", and hoped that nobody would be quite so eager to split hairs. Jimcloud 18:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, who cares, good fight, people are voting, keep it up. ^_^ Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 18:49, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Week 244: Last Man Standing Round 35: Galuf v. Basch[edit source]

Galuf Knight.png LMS Icon.png Itadaki-Basch.png
DEFEAT - 15 TO 26
VICTORY - 15 TO 26
Having defeated Tidus, Galuf now faces an honorable knight fighting for his kingdom. Who will win in an old-fashioned battle, the knight or the king? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Galuf[edit source]

  1. Xepscern (talk) 01:31, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  2. --Pzykosiz (talk) 02:21, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  3. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:24, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi (talk) 02:53, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  5. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 04:09, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Toothless100 - Talk to me 05:56, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Respect your elders!! Silverangel123 (talk) 16:09, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  8. He can become a sexy awesome dancer. 'nuff said. V wasn't boring either.--AnonyMan (talk) 17:59, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I like both of these dudes, but I'll go with Galuf mainly because he needs the votes more right now. --Time Master (talk) 19:25, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Free bird (talk) 23:41, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite.png 01:14, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
  12. This old dude is really funny! GoldenChocobo 08:29, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Galuf doesn't give up when the odds are against him, and neither do I. (Of course, the chances for success may be the same too) SlamShuffle 19:34, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Basch is a good character, but so is Galuf. And unfortunately, he needs this vote much more than Basch does, even if it is already too late to sway the tides in the old mans favour. MirrorshardSceada 13:27, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 02:23, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 11:39, April 15, 2013 (UTC) Gotta give it to my man Galuf on this one

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. C A T U S E 01:32, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I'M KING BASCH FON RONSENBURG OF wait... 8bit 01:32, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 01:34, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  4. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:39, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  5. He actually survived his gam- I mean, he's awesome... Yeah... --FireKnight251 02:20, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  6. I wanna vote for the bushy 'stache, but there's just something about Basch... King of Noobs 02:26, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Meh, I just like him more.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 03:13, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:52, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Tetraninja321 08:54, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  10.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 17:03, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Welcome to the circus of values! --BlueHighwind 17:17, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  12. --Leon95 17:57, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  13. SidVI 18:04, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 23:54, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  15. I like both of them, but Basch is one of my favorite FF characters. ^^ Rosa Farrell 06:08, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Pizza? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 12:26, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
  17. I've been playing XII relentlessly since last week and Basch was in my dream last night. How could I not vote for him?Bahamut knows best (talk) 18:20, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
  18. One of the most badass FF characters out, period. Wyvern777 (talk) 14:47, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
  19. LordMikal (LordMikal) 15:54, Apriel 17, 2013 (UTC)
  20. If I can protect one person from war's horror, I would bare any shame, I would bare it proudly... Razordash01:20, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Squallisnotemo (talk) 10:14, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  22. Sorry, Galuf. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 10:24, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  23. ScatheMote 11:26, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  24. "Let them watch. I know something of cages". I started playing XII for the first time a few days ago and I already like him, he has become one of my favorite FF characters. JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:45, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
  25. Basch rulz! --yeah_93 02:14, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
  26. Not like my vote will make a difference at this point but go Basch! --Ffgamesftw (talk) 16:49, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

This began pretty even then just started trailing off. Not as unexpected as the 1st Freya vs. Fran(not a jab btw) but man, was hoping another V character would do big things. Maybe Krile will do work next time she shows up. If not at least 1 FFV person did well.--AnonyMan (talk) 23:06, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Week 243: Cyan Garamonde v. Basch fon Ronsenburg[edit source]

DNC Versus.png
FFXII Basch Render.png
21½ to 25
Loyalty, strength and honor are just a few words that could be used to describe this week's combatants, Cyan and Basch. Both are older members of their respective parties who joined resistance forces after their homelands were decimated by a much larger empire. Both are driven by revenge, a wish to resurrect their fallen nations, and lost family members. But whose honor shines brightest? VICTOR
21½ to 25

Votes for Cyan[edit source]

  1. Cyan's story arc is probably more memorable and one of the longer side stories in FFVI; sadly, like most of FFXII's characters, Basch's storyline largely felt like an abridged version pushed for a quick release after half a decade of production. --ClixPsi (talk) 06:46, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Going for the guy who didn't have an evil twin here. Cyan's memorable story got quickly forgotten among so many other characters. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 07:53, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Can't say I know much about either character, but Cyan has less votes at the moment, so... Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 08:19, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Mustaches + Honor + Mr.Thou = Great Warrior! GoldenChocobo 09:13, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  5. He got to witness arguably the best moment in any Final Fantasy game: Sabin suplexing a train. Silverangel123 (talk) 12:38, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Mierna 14:15, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Wait for it...Wait for it...Wait for it. Finally! Quadra Slice! --Ffgamesftw (talk) 15:53, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  8. All hail Mr Thou. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 15:56, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I do believe that everyone here already knew where my loyalties lay. EdgarXTerra4ever 16:31, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  10. I'd hate to vote against Basch, but I mean, c'mon, it's Cyan! King of Noobs 20:40, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Decent fighter, great back-story as well as subsequent sidequest in WOR, and humorous difficulty with technology. --Time Master (talk) 22:42, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  12. One of my favorite characters from one of my favorite games. His Bushido skills exemplify everything I liked about how FFVI made its characters unique. SlamShuffle 19:25, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  13. One of VI's best characters. A legitimately cool interesting character. Also gotta appreciate how he's not a run-of-mill brooding pretty boy Katana-wielder. Though that's not to say he isn't handsome. --AnonyMan (talk) 21:30, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  14. C'mon, Mr. Thou--Kierandell1409 (talk) 00:41, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Psycho Cyan bug. Also, with enough patience, capable of being Odin/Raiden. Patience achievable with Eclipse. Finally, his Desperation Attack is used by Gilgamesh (Tsubame Gaeshi). Dogurasu (talk) 18:48, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  16. SidVI 18:03, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  17. I was gonna vote for basch but then i remembered. Bushido in the bedroom lol L'cieBeast 18:25, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I, too, am on the team of Mr. Thou. SelkieMaiden267 02:18, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
  19.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 05:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite.png 00:55, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
  21. I like both of them, so I'll throw my vote in with the one that needs it more right now MirrorshardSceada 19:59, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. just because he is loosing. I do not really care either way 22:24, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. I'm Captain Basch. C A T U S E 05:39, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 06:59, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Don't listen to Ondore's lies! Lycropath (talk) 07:17, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:26, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  5.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png11:54, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Basch will always be the Captain of my heart. :) --Greenmage128 02:14, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Basch is one of my favorite FF characters but I really hate Cyan and his disgusting mustache, so it's impossible for me to vote against Basch. Rosa Farrell (talk) 05:39, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  8. --Leon95 17:53, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Cyan does have a compelling story. However, unlike Cyan, Basch is actually useful in battle, and he actually attended his final dungeon in my playthrough. ScatheMote 20:20, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Balthierfan (talk) 20:32, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Stupidz. --BlueHighwind 03:18, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Cyan is awesome, but I'm still surprised he's winning. Does Vaan really ruin it for the rest of the characters? xD - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:25, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Basch was one of the few, maybe the only one of the main characters in XII that I actually liked. Jimcloud 03:55, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Ice cream! Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:57, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Basch is my second favorite character in the series overall and my favorite guy. I think a lot more people would have liked XII if Basch had been the main character.Bahamut knows best (talk) 13:50, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Silly DSS, Cyan is the evil twin. The guy you find in the WoR is the other one -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 18:28, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Drake Clawfang (talk) Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:37, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  18. I'm a fan of both characters' stories, but I will vote for Basch because I really felt his motivations through his interactions with Ashe and Gabranth. Cyan doesn't really have an especially strong tie to another party member, nor does the game allow him to properly confront Kefka (the scene in the Imperial Camp outside of Doma is rather rushed). Cyan's theme is absolutely amazing, though. 8bit 23:49, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Cyan may be the retainer to the king of Doma, but he's also my worst nightmare. Basch it is. --FireKnight251 05:05, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
  20. ==Trindadex== 20:30, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Knows something of cages, etc. - Paramina (talk) 23:00, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
  22. Basch lives!Tetraninja321 19:57, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
  23. Never really liked Cyan muchSquallisnotemo (talk) 00:20, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
  24.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 13:12, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
  25. If I could save Basch from defeat's horror, then I would bear any shame. I would bear it proudly. JC Holy Knight (talk) 00:49, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@Rosa Farrell: You're hatin' on the 'stache? Bad Rosa! Must I call in the Burt Reynolds posse? King of Noobs 12:18, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Pfft, Tom Selleck's moustache eats Burt Reynold's moustache for breakfast. Or rather it would if moustaches were sentient beings. And cannibalistic. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 13:16, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
btw if Cyan does end up winning next week you will be forced to vote for the mustache as both Galuf and Cyan have mustaches --Ffgamesftw (talk) 20:14, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

@ScathMote - Given that the final dungeon in FFVI requires 3 parties (12 characters out of 14 total), I'm surprised at the implication that Cyan didn't make the cut for use. I typically leave Gau and Umaro on the airship. Who do you leave behind? Or do you simply not collect Cyan in the World of Ruin? SlamShuffle 19:24, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gogo replaced Cyan. Umaro also stayed behind. ScatheMote 21:04, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
He's not totally useless, what with Magicite and all. Though alot of the personal skilla do become less useful as the game goes on. --AnonyMan (talk) 21:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
Hell, I used Cyan in the final fight. Worked out just fine, dunno what all the complaining is about. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:28, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
I think people tend to exaggerate a bit when they talk about how much they hate a character's fighting style. There shouldn't be any problem in beating VI if you use Cyan in your final party, same goes for Cait Sith in VII and other characters. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 22:40, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
By the time you collect everyone and get to the final boss, Kefka isn't that much of a challenge anyway, even if you're usin Umaro. Hey, I started with Relm in the final party --Pzykosiz (talk) 10:12, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

@Tidus357: Cyan's just that cool. Simple as that. And that's exactly what I mean about Vaan, there's nothing wrong with him. Kid's totally benign. XII's cast is okay(except like, Fran) but VI's is much more endearing.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

i think this is turning into a general hate thread, mostly directed at characters who AREN'T IN THE BATTLE. By the way, what's your problem with Fran? --Pzykosiz (talk) 02:29, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
Nonsense, dear boy. Just merely a few making observations to things stated and responding to them. My issues with Fran are kinda meager and not worth getting into. But she CAN go to Heck. Jk.--AnonyMan (talk) 21:29, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
I don't even know what you mean. Allow me to explain my comment.
The joke is that everyone hates XII because of Vaan. Not true, but he really is an idiot, at least until he puts a shirt on. And it's certainly one of the reasons I don't particularly like XII. I do like Basch though. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 02:27, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
Why is he an idiot? Because he doesn't wear a shirt? 13:16, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Wearing a shirt has nothing to do with it, I don't know why people care, especially since it doesn't have anything to do with the fight going on.
...of course, not answering your question is just asking people to tell me that I only dislike Vaan because it's 'cool' to do so. C A T U S E 15:12, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
It's related by virtue of being FFXII and half of the current DNC combatants also hailing from it. And to answer the question(jokingly of course) he's an idiot because he thought he could get away with his obviously painted-on abs. Clearly. --AnonyMan (talk) 22:37, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Week 242: Last Man Standing Round 34: Galuf Halm Baldesion v. Tidus[edit source]

Galuf Samurai.png LMS Icon.png Itadaki-TidusPortrait.png
VICTOR - 20½ to 17½
DEFEAT - 21½ to 17½
Faris became the third character to become Last Man Standing Champion! Now, two randomly selected characters face off! Galuf even came prepared; he brought a middle name to make up for Tidus' lack of a last name! But will Galuf fall to the wiliness of bleached-hair Blitzer? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Galuf[edit source]

  1. He did not just fade away, he achieved superhuman feats before he died. That's gotta count for something MirrorshardSceada 23:18, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi (talk) 23:54, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
  3. One of my favorite characters in FFV. He may be more on the elderly side, but his death came after a very intense 1-on-1 fight with the main antagonist, and he potentially saved the lives of the Light Warriors after the Neo Exdeath fight. Krile could never properly fill the shoes of this pun-loving Dawn Warrior and King. --Time Master (talk) 00:01, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Ah, yeah. Duh.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:29, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I would vote for Galuf anyway, but made better by the potential Galuf vs. Masamune match-up next week. SlamShuffle (talk) 00:25, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  6. I still vote for Shantotto. ----BlueHighwind 01:28, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  7. This man is plain brilliant. Mierna 03:43, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Galuf is a beast. Tidus jerks off to Yuna the whole game. C A T U S E 05:08, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  9. --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:34, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Tidus gets poked in the shoulder and cries a river. Galuf gets blasted with ethereal magic and doesn't even shed a tear. That's badass! Your friendly rookie Dragoon... (talk) 21:22, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  11. At no point in V is Galuf anything short of The Coolest FF character of all Time. The man oozes charm and charisma being a very likable funny loyal old codger. He's more badass than any charatcer when he's alive or dead. Why Kain seems to be the FF Fanbase's massive hard-on inducer over him is beyond me.--AnonyMan (talk) 23:59, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Silverangel123 (talk) 03:02, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Jimcloud 14:22, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Ohhh, my head! I can't remember a thing! Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:34, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Don't really care for either character but at least Galuf isn't annoying --Ffgamesftw (talk) 17:17, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
  16. The laughing scene. Nuff said.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 00:15, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Tidus isn't bad, but Galuf is the badass grandpa -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 14:34, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
  18. ScatheMote 20:45, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite.png 23:24, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Tidus never bothered me as much, but I just adore the old, experienced characters with a quick wit and great combat prowess! Free bird (talk) 23:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 01:48, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for Tidus[edit source]

  1.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png23:12, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
  2. No matter how his name is pronounced, I actually enjoyed having him as a protagonist. King of Noobs 23:18, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 00:00, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
  4. I'd normally vote Galuf but we just had a FFV champion crowned. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:08, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Skittles!!! Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:57, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  6. No matter how hard I tried, I could never really get into FFV. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 05:06, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  7. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png10:25, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  8. "Why am I up against an old man?" (Dissidia, Tidus when fighting Golbez) SelkieMaiden267 15:56, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Tidus isn't one of my favorites, but I do like him to some amount. Razordash20:09, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  10. The laughing scene may be bad, but that shouldn't detract from his awesomeness in the rest of the gameSquallisnotemo (talk) 22:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I always love Tidus. --CynderFlame (talk) 08:00, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Tidus is the dodge master of Dissidia! And he is also a great character in FFX. GoldenChocobo 15:34, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Voice acting never fails to make me laugh. --Leon95 17:32, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  14. There is a time for all things, and the end of a thing is better then the beginning. (talk) 17:47, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Hoorah for Tidus Lycropath (talk) 20:15, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Voting for the underdog here. EdgarXTerra4ever 03:50, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
  17. For the tie. Also, Tidus is pretty good in FFX (both as a character and in gameplay). SidVI 05:36, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 14:28, April 2, 2013 (UTC) I like Tidus! Cool sword, decent stats... I played both, and FFV is a little time consuming, while FFX is awesome! Plus, Tidus and Galuf both have similar situations. Except Tidus is completely lost in Spira, unlike Galuf.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Because I'm sure it's bound to pop up, most likely in votes against Tiddy, is the infamous laughing scene. Alot of people call that scene awkward, cringe-inducing, dumb, bad, etc. And not realized it was SUPPOSED to be like that. Tidus may be a bit pf a flake(ESPECIALLY compared to Galuf Badassion) but can we cut him some slack on this?--AnonyMan (talk) 00:18, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

NO --Pzykosiz (talk) 00:23, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
It's definitely supposed to be like that, but no matter how awkward it was supposed to be... doesn't excuse bad acting. That was some of the most unrealistic fake laughing I've heard in a long time -- and I'm not talking about the start of the laughing scene where they really are fake laughing. C A T U S E 01:12, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
Thirded. I understand perfectly the point of the scene, and it is absolutely fine in its concept. It's just really goddamn irritating in its execution. I can bear to sit through it once, on first playthrough. Replays, I dread it. If only X had a skip scene option like X-2... we can but hope they're going to add it in the HD version -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 14:38, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Noted. True, you can't really excuse questionable quality voice work(though I haven't played X in years to really judge). Next order of business. Do people still loathe Vaan simply because he's not the focus of XII despite being the protagonist? If so, stop that. You'd think he pooped in their cereal and killed a box of kittens with the ire aimed his way. --AnonyMan (talk) 20:39, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Vaan is just as irritating as Tidus, if not more so. His constant whining about being a sky pirate is unbearable. Then, as one of the most inappropriately timed questions ever, "So, how old were you again?", to just kick Fran when she's down --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:47, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
I have a legit reason for hating Vaan. C A T U S E 01:18, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
Haha. At least it's better than, "He's not important. I HATE HIM!" though I disagree with you assessments, Pzy. And think you might need to lighten up. But that's neither here nor there. Loll at the link.--AnonyMan (talk) 02:14, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
Playing XII again reminds me that Vaan has way less lines compared to Tidus since he's unimportant to the plot, mentioning the whole sky pirate business a grand total of maybe five times after Rabanastre. A lot of the actual important characters do a lot more whining. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:52, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

@GoldenChocobo Kuja says WELL NOW hi :p 15:16, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, Choc's accurate. Alot of Dissidia Tidus' attacks move him around and out of the way to avoid attacks. Fitting as he's an athlete that plays a game that's football, American football and Rugby together. Kuja just tells gravity to suck it, what with him gliding and flat out just flying(In EX).--AnonyMan (talk) 21:18, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
You are right. Tidus is one of the few characters in Dissidia who can dodge while attacking. This characteristic can be deadly in close combats. GoldenChocobo 08:28, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but Tidus's dodges are nowhere near as annoying as Kuja's. :P -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 11:55, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
The sound of Kuja saying "WELL NOW" has been forever imprinted into my mind. Same as that silly noise Exdeath makes whenever he teleports. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 22:51, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Week 241: The Masamune v. The Excalibur[edit source]

Masamune FFIII Art.png
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Excalibur FFIII Art.png
21 to 18½
Two vaguely ultimate weapons. One vaguely from the West, one vaguely from the East. But which one will be vaguely victorious? VICTOR
21 to 18½

Votes for the Masamune[edit source]

  1. King of Noobs 01:43, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  2.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:12, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Auron. Sephiroth. Clearly it's the more awesome choice of weapon. Emperor-PSPField.pngMATEUS 02:21, March 25, 2013 (UTC).
  4. Auron, obviously. I mean, come on. I recently got this for Auron, and he gets to use an Overdrive every three battles. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:08, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  5. it was named after an actual weapon. C A T U S E 01:44, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  6. --Pzykosiz (talk) 03:37, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  7. If Jim was smart she'd realize ol' Gilgy never wielded a real copy of the Masamune. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:25, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Hard choice but I prefer this one more --Ffgamesftw (talk) 04:38, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Because swords. Excalibur isn't a weaponsmith but Masamune wasSquallisnotemo (talk) 09:05, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Tetraninja321 09:48, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  11. In games where both can be equipped for comparison on the same character, Masamune tends to come out on top in strength. --ClixPsi (talk) 10:41, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Because no Masamune wielder EVER goes down easy. Just ask anyone who's ever stood against Auron or Sephiroth. SelkieMaiden267 16:22, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Frog's Blade. --BlueHighwind 02:48, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Remember it sticking out the back of Prez Shinra? That was awesome!Onechord (talk) 22:15, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  15. I like katana. Mierna 02:16, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Masamune's the coolest. --CynderFlame (talk) 10:09, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  17. I prefer samurais over paladins. GoldenChocobo 15:59, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Auron. That is all.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:57, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  19. I always preferred to have a ninja in my party. So the Masamune has always helped me JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ1.png19:26, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
  20. I'll be honest, I just voted for Masamune because I liked the picture for it better. That's pretty much it really. --Marael (talk) 20:23, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
  21. Because everything is better with Katanas. MirrorshardSceada 14:38, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for the Excalibur[edit source]

  1. On the one hand, Auron and Sephiroth. On the other hand... Gilgamesh. I do not understand the decisions of those on the other side. Jimcloud 03:11, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Gilgamesh. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:21, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  3. ^what they said... SetzerLeonhart (talk) 03:29, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  4. 24th Guardian Shadow (talk) 06:05, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Excalibur's true power. SidVI 06:52, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  6. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 09:27, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Zaffarar (talk) 10:50, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  8. The Masamune is cool, but ultimate knight-sword of light is better. --Time Master (talk) 16:04, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Excalibur is an actual magic weapon. The Masamune is just a sword Masamune made. Really cool, yes, but it's up against Excalibur. Also, Gilgamesh.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:02, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Still never got Excalibur II :'( Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 17:05, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
  11. ScatheMote 02:27, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Y U so underdog? U jelly? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:13, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  13. The Excalibur can only ever be wielded by a chosen few. The Masamune tends to get passed around, especially in the original Final Fantasy. Additionally, while the Masamune is powerful, only the Excalibur can claim that it is strong against everything with a type (again, original Final Fantasy). Dogurasu (talk) 10:47, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  14. The Excalibur has only ever been a holy sword, unlike the Masamune, which as been a dark sword in a handful of incarnations. EdgarXTerra4ever 18:21, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Steiner>Auron, Sephiroth or any other Massy wielder,uh except for the FFV cast(who own Steiner as Excal wielders) Actually, I could just as easy voted for Massy for the same reason,V's cast. But I think the "Cool Katana"-ness will give Exie some troble.AnonyMan (talk) 22:58, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Tough call. Ultimately came down to 2 things: 1) Legend Sword+ 2) Knights of the Round SlamShuffle 19:50, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Two words: Holy. Ssssssssssword. I mean sword, yeah sword. And also yep Gilgamesh. オメガ Mk.XII 02:15, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
  18. From the United King, I'm looking for Heaven, I'm going to Califnorniaaaaaa~ Draga (talk)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 03:26, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Cat, I think you've gotten your wires crossed. The Excalibur is a part of the Arthurian legend, making its existence heavily disputable, while there are several known Masamunes. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:21, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Did I seriously just put my vote in the wrong list? What is wrong with me today? Emoticon_indifferent.png C A T U S E 03:25, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Eh, it happens. Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a real Excalibur, what we know of King Arthur really isn't enough to make a call on whether or not the story's real. It's exaggerated, certainly, but not if it's real. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:49, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

To clear things up, the Masamune is not a "sword" as such, or least not in the vein that Excalibur refers to a particular sword, the one given to King Arthur by the Lady of the Lake in the mythos. Masamune was a famed Japanese swordsmith, not a sword itself, and I believe the confirmed Masamunes SMC is referring to would be several swords crafted by him.Squallisnotemo (talk) 09:09, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

It's still correct, as "a Masamune" is considered a correct way to refer to a sword made by Masamune, as you can see in the article I linked to. Also, it's SCM, damn it, how do so many people have trouble with a three letter acronym. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:17, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah i wasn't saying you were wrong, just referencing what you said. Also sorry for getting your name wrong, my brain is fried after my law exam today so i'm not paying the most attentionSquallisnotemo (talk) 09:34, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does that excalibur look a lot like the Tournesol --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:45, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

More like the Tournesol looks a lot like the Excalibur. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:00, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
Possibly that too. Does anyone here happen to have Excalibur lying around at home so we can compare them? Possibly sitting around as a doorstop or a lamp? --Pzykosiz (talk) 05:33, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


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