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Week 230: Last Man Standing Round 27: Freya v. MogEdit

FreyaMirror-FFIX
LMS Icon
Mog SD Art
DEFENDING CHAMPION
FREYA CRESCENT
FINAL FANTASY IX
DEFEAT - 25½ TO 26
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
MOG
FINAL FANTASY VI
VICTORY - 25½ TO 26
Two nonhuman party members face off in this Last Man Standing Bout. Can the Dragoon's jumping and dragon powers save the day, or will the dancing geomancer's power over terrain win out? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for FreyaEdit

  1. C A T U S E 05:00, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2. - BlitzballArtTidus357 05:02, January 7, 2013 (UTC)\
  3. --BlueHighwind 05:06, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Vercery 05:19, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  5.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 06:17, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hard voting against Moogles, but... Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 06:53, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  7. With Freya, I have some idea of what her motivations are, what she wants, what she likes. Mog? I don't know a thing, except he lives with a bunch of other moogles, he can talk, and he slam-dances. In a game praised for its characters, that's... awfully shallow. Jimcloud 08:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  8. With every LMS round, I like Freya more and more :D -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 11:23, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  9. I've said it so many times before... I can identify with Freya much more than with her oppponent. Besides, what Jimmeh said is actually true when I think about it: Among the stellar cast of VI, Mog is quite shallow... MirrorshardSceada 12:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  10. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:31, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  11. I loved having Mog in my party in VI. However Freya was a character I enjoyed seeing develop into a powerful and strong willed amazing fighter. She's one of my favorite women in the series. She'll win 95% of the time in here for me. Bahamut knows best (talk) 14:50, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  12.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 14:53, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Freya got me through Deathgaze and Necron. Nuff said. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ116:03, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  14. Freya got me through the Desert Palace<3 Attheshows (talk) 17:31, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Actually a character rather than a battle unit with attitude -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  16.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun121:00, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  17. MystRay 02:55, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Imagine if she made it to retirement with Kuja and Vivi(?). She does rank with them as one of the best characters in the game including Beatrix.--Adelbert (talk) 04:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  19. Xepscern (talk) 17:46, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  20.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 19:06, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  21. 8bit 23:46, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  22. Freya --Link793 (talk) 01:01, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
  23. MechaKaiser, still bein' an $#&... (talk) 18:57, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
  24. ==Trindadex== 01:18, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Freya all the way!!! 50.43.92.2 06:57, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Freya wins hands down. 137.147.37.2 02:24, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
  3. I don't want her to lose here --114.79.59.2 15:22, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Votes for MogEdit

  1. For the best (and cutest,) Dancer in all of Final Fantasy. King of Noobs 05:14, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Moogles for the win. SelkieMaiden267 05:22, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  3.  Cecily Redwingslogo  05:25, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Shockstorm (talk) 05:37, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Can't resist this pic of Mog. <3 MissH <3 07:11, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  6. --ClixPsi (talk) 07:49, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  7. SidVI 08:17, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  8. In terms in battle, Mog is definitely a better Dragoon, though that might just stem from the brokenness of FFVI's game system. ScatheMote 12:38, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Kupo kupo. Mog falling over during dance is just the cutest ever. And I think you can disguise Relm as Mog with a costume...omg too cute.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:19, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  10. A fluffy moogle dragoon is better than a rat dragoon. And I need to vote for the last surviving moogle of FFVI. GoldenChocobo 17:12, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  11. More d'aww. --Leon95 17:30, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Always Mog Cooky560 (talk) 17:37, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  13. Honestly I feel that Freya is one of the least important characters in FFIX. Guess you could say the same for Mog as well so I simply put it to who did I prefer to use in battle. Well I used Mog for about half the game and Freya only when I had to. No Contest--Ffgamesftw (talk) 01:04, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
  14. --Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:12, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
  15. Moogles all the way <3 I do like Freya but she pales in comparison to the mighty Mog.--EmmaRs (talk) 15:15, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
  16. Cloudn 04:20, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Mog was a game-saver for me several times. EdgarXTerra4ever 06:11, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  18. --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:02, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
  19. --Moogles are the best, only surpassed by chocobos.Silverangel123 14:06, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
  20. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite 14:47, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
  21. It looks like my vote got deleted for some reason, so here it is again. In short, Mog was simply more useful to me than Freya was. --Time Master (talk) 19:21, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
  22. I can't vote against a Moogle, look at them, they are so cute... Smiles and Sunshine (talk) 12:15, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
  23. Nothing against Freya, but Mog is one of my favorite characters from one of my favorites FFs. Enough so to pull me out of lurkdom. SlamShuffle 15:44, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
  24. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:28, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Because Freya beat Quistis.--71.106.221.32 05:23, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  2. 121.54.54.52 14:35, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  3. To me, Mog is much more versatile and enjoyable to use as a fighter. Besides, I think Freya's development is overrated, since it lasts for little more than a disc and then she is, ironically, mostly forgotten for the rest of the game, save for her small interactions with Amarant. Btw, I love Moogles, so I couldn't have voted otherwise.188.171.27.28 15:30, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
  4. 71.160.215.62 04:07, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Oh, I see your game Jimcloud. Using Freya's battle model as the image because you know when I see it I'll feel a need to make an improved version. 79.69.207.184 14:30, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out whether you're serious or not, and I am going to guess "not serious", in which case, yes. You dance across my strings endlessly until eventually the Wiki looks prettier. Beacause... you are a puppet. Jimcloud 17:27, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
:D 79.69.207.184 17:46, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
Wait, he's Cloud? But Kitty Crisis says he's Squall with the ability to transform into Griever. And Kitty Crisis is never wrong.
Or maybe he got a gender change and became an Alexandrian soldier, controlled by Beatrix. That's the only explanation I have for the spelling "Beacause". C A T U S E 23:20, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
I thought he had become JIMOVA. Dogurasu (talk) 11:52, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
All the more reason why 79.69 is most certainly not Cloud. C A T U S E 01:27, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

People keep referring to Mog as a dragoon but I thought that was always supposed to be Edgar's role in FFVI --99.137.0.37 17:14, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, none of them are actually dragoons as the game presents them. Edgar is supposed to be a machinist and Mog's job is stated as Moogle and primary acts as a dancer or geomancer. Since both can equip lances, they can act as effective dragoons with the right setup. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 18:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Except Moogle is more likely to be the Dragoon in a party if any, since Edgar has Tools. I don't recall Mog's Dance being that good, but then again if he was in my party he was probably suppressing fights, not appearing in them. 79.69.213.38 19:22, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, there wasn't really a clear-cut "Dragoon" character in FFVI...but maybe there will be one if VI ever has a sequel. If so, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the dragoon in question was a Figaro by birth (perhaps using the designated-Dragoon-surname "Highwind" as an alias at some point in the game). EdgarXTerra4ever 06:11, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
I seriously don't think FFVI can have a proper sequel I think it can have a prequel but a sequel just wouldn't fit perfectly. As far as a sequel goes the ffwiki have already decided a large amount of it's strange content in "Strago Returns" =P --99.137.0.37 17:40, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Week 229: Montblanc v. MogEdit

Montblanc star
DNC Versus
Amano Mog 2
VICTOR
Mog
13½ to 25½
Moogles! VICTOR
Mog
13½ to 25½

Votes for MontblancEdit

  1.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 18:07, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 18:14, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  3. He teaches me stuff. C A T U S E 18:44, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I've always liked the Ivalician Moogle design. King of Noobs 18:55, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  5.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun119:05, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I really liked Tactics Advanced and TA2. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:22, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Sorry Mog but Montblancs are delicious. Lycropath (talk) 10:31, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Zaffarar (talk) 12:34, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I love him! I never thought I'd see Montblanc in here in a million years! Bahamut knows best (talk) 13:33, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Absolutely love him!!!! MystRay 19:45, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Mog is cute but flakey. Montblanc is proactive and focused. 8)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:15, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
  12. Montblanc was the first Moogle I ever met, kupo <3 -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 21:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
  13. I make Montblanc into a Gunner/Time Mage combo so that he can do gravity-defying gun fu. SidVI 15:33, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Montblanc is awesome!!! 71.236.179.178 04:37, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for MogEdit

  1. Still better, despite looking kind of like a leper in this image. Jimcloud 18:08, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I'm voting for the first playable moogle, and the one who's amulet got me through both Kefka's and the Cultist's towers. Sure, Montblanc is the head of Clan Centurio, but he doesn't have the battle prowess or nostalgia that Mog does. --Time Master (talk) 18:31, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Montblanc may lead a clan, but Mog bosses a Yeti around. That's though to beat. MirrorshardSceada 19:27, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  4. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 22:28, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Does Montblanc slam dance? I think not! Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:49, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  6.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 23:42, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Go Slam-Dancing Moogle!!! :) Smiles and Sunshine (talk) 23:57, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Because the classic Moogle design will always be my favourite. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 02:03, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  9. --Pzykosiz (talk) 04:16, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Mog is cuter --CynderFlame (talk) 04:30, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Mog saved me once in FFVI. During my first playthrough, I was not prepared to take down the Gigas in the chest on the Floating Continent. He killed Locke, Setzer, and Shadow one by one. However, Mog was in the back row with the Dragoon Boots. Through carefully placed jumps and bouts of healing, I won. Mog won MVP that day. --ClixPsi (talk) 05:50, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Mog is cuter and kicks more ass. SelkieMaiden267 16:28, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  13. GoldenChocobo 17:17, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  14. FLY BY NIGHT GOODBYE BY DEAR! --BlueHighwind 20:07, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  15. The best SLAM dancer around. ScatheMote 22:34, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Jelly? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 04:26, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
  17. Mog is a teddy bear who took down a friggin' yeti who was nearly three feet taller than him. Need I continue?--Kierandell1409 (talk) 08:38, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
  18. Mog is just perfect. Chimomo 00:36, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
  19. For the first playable moogle, his domination over Umaro, and his capability as a dragoon and geo-dancer. Dogurasu (talk) 02:56, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
  20. The original design will always win over Cooky560 (talk) 13:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
  21. - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
  22.  Cecily Redwingslogo  22:00, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
  23. I am not a fan of the Ivalice moogle design, and Mog is playable.Sasukekunai1 (talk) 05:25, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
  24. I think Esprit's scans only increase the cuteness factor, and therefore more votes ;) --Shockstorm (talk) 02:06, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
  25. Mog is just classic. I love Montblanc and thing he's a great addition to the list of character moogles, but Mog is the primordial Moogle. I'd love to see a battle between King Kupofried and Good King Moggle Mog, though. Yrusama (talk) 10:07, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. --72.67.128.169 02:15, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Wow... never expected my fight suggestion would make it. But then again, who doesn't love the kupo? King of Noobs 18:54, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Week 228: Last Man Standing Round 26: Freya Crescent v. Quistis TrepeEdit

Freya CGI 1
LMS Icon
FF8ScreenshotQuistis4
DEFENDING CHAMPION
FREYA Crescent
FINAL FANTASY IX
VICTORY - 24 to 21
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
QUISTIS Trepe
FINAL FANTASY VIII
DEFEAT - 24 to 21
With two LMS wins under her belt, Freya next faces off against Quistis. Both strong, independent women have also had misfortunes in the love department. Who will be the last (wo)man standing?

Votes for FreyaEdit

  1. King of Noobs 05:17, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 05:18, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I have absolutely no doubts about who I prefer here. Jimcloud 05:23, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Quistis is good but not against Freya. C A T U S E 05:27, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  5. While I did my TCG work the other day, I found that Freya's cards have Dragon Crest and Cherry Blossom, which do more damage the more Dragoons you have on the field or in the discard pile, which is badass. Quistis's card...gives 1000 more power to your characters with 2 cost or less....woooooooow. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:36, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  6. If this vote surprises you, you didn't pay attention to Freya's last three appearances here. MirrorshardSceada 09:57, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  7.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 14:23, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  8. One of the easiest choices in the DNC so far. It might have been more difficult to choose if Umaro or Quina was on the opposing side. ScatheMote 15:27, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Because Freya has her personal backstory, while Quistis shares her backstory with almost all the party. And I don't like the "hot teacher" stereotype. Lady dragoon is far better. GoldenChocobo 17:14, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  10. She isn't completely bad. --Leon95 18:46, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I do much prefer Freya. Chimomo 20:23, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 20:28, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Vercery 04:54, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I has candy. Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 05:01, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
  15. --ClixPsi (talk) 06:10, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Quistis is awesome, but siding with the next Champion here. --Adelbert (talk) 01:12, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
  17. 8bit 04:47, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
  18. This is almost hard for me, because Quistis is the one character I like from VIII, but Freya will always be one of my top favorites. I can't vote against her for almost anyone. Bahamut knows best (talk) 01:46, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
  19. MUST DEFEND HONOR. Attheshows (talk) 00:07, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Because the reason Mango gave for his vote in the IRC is so stupid I can't help but vote against him. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:14, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  21. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 21:23, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  22. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:59, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  23. I MUST DEFEND YOUR HONOR! --BlueHighwind 20:42, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Freya is awesome! And I kind of just want to see her move on 97.121.33.92 07:47, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --114.79.63.90 12:51, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for QuistisEdit

  1. Too many reasons. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:26, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:12, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 11:05, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I like Freya (Although some people think i like her more than i should...) but i am a true trepie to the end. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ113:14, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  5. While I really like Freya, I still prefer Quistis. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 13:55, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Let's whip some ass over here! SelkieMaiden267 16:18, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I think the pictures speak for themselves. On one hand, we have Freya collapsing to the ground after being mercilessly defeated by Beatrix. On the other, we have Quistis single-handedly destroying a dangerous and powerful robot that's wreaking havoc across Dollet; trying to stop SeeDs and SeeDs in training from getting to the Comm Tower. Gunning down a killer mech and saving lives > getting defeated by an Alexandrian General, and failing your homeland. --Time Master (talk) 17:30, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Freya is boring and does nothing. NOTHING. Get out of my game Freya. No I'm not going to have you in my party. Quistis is boring too but sort of sweet and relatable. You can be in party Quistis.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:16, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  9. SidVI 18:43, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  10.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun119:14, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  11. A surprisingly hard decision, but had to go for Quistis. MystRay 22:13, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Cloudn 23:06, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  13. - BlitzballArtTidus357 04:05, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
  14. --CynderFlame (talk) 06:24, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Bom ratatata, tatatatata, BEAT! MissH <3 00:50, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Squallisnotemo (talk) 02:42, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Hard choice. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite 09:07, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I can't stand by and let Freya win now can I? CylindrusAltum (talk) 10:46, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  19. >dem glasses hnnnnnng User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 00:05, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
  20. meh  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 01:54, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 71.108.117.176 22:13, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --71.118.248.154 06:14, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Guys. Vote on nominations or we're going to run out of fights, for reals. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:39, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's as much a matter that we're running out of characters to fight each other, especially with all the matches that have already taken place. SE just isn't shoving out the games and new characters fast enough... King of Noobs 15:28, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
There are six character fights in the shortlist, and 14 fights in the nominations. Including LMS, that's a possible 40-week swing, you guys just have to make it happen. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:44, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Freya had a relationship with Fratley 7 years ago and she is 21. Do rat people age faster or...well I don't need to explain what is uncool about the other option. If rat people age faster is Freya supposed to be elderly because she has white hair? Other rat people don't have white hair.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 04:15, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

It might also help if we knew how old Fratley is. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:59, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
I assumed he was an adult since he was some kind of elite dragoon knight dude when they were dating? Or they hire people in their army before they are physically adult? XP Weeeell everyone's a 17-year-old battlehardened soldier in JRPGs.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 05:43, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
I might be wrong (especially since I can't find it anywhere now that it'd be useful >.>) but I think I remember reading that Fratley was 22. If that's correct, then this is no different from how Quistis loves Squall age wise. Just without the adopted siblings part and the two actually having a relationship but losing it to his amnesia rather than her just longing for him MirrorshardSceada 01:04, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
Fratley is 25 according to the Ultimania. 79.69.204.216 01:12, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
That is good to know, thanks for the information JBed. So yeah... he is four years her senior. Personally, I see no big deal by that (both my girlfriends differed 5 years in age to me, one older, one younger), and just because they've been in a relationship since Freya was 14 does not have to mean anything bad necessarily, really. If anything, the fact they've been together so long shows that the two are more mature than many a real person... - and in the case of Freya, more devoted as well. But that's just how I see it. MirrorshardSceada 00:27, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe it's like dog years for Burmecians... Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 02:48, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


Week 227:Quistis v. LuluEdit

Ff8-quistis
DNC Versus
Lulu Menu
VICTOR
Quistis
22 to 12½
Mentor figures to their respective protagonists, these ladies are also often the targets of affection from fans, though each for different reasons. Who will prove more adored in the eyes of fans, the young teacher or the aloof black mage? VICTOR
Quistis
22 to 12½

Votes for QuistisEdit

  1. Shockstorm (talk) 03:50, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  2. C A T U S E 04:17, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi (talk) 04:21, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  4. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:27, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  5. King of Noobs 05:16, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  6. --Pzykosiz (talk) 05:17, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  7. - BlitzballArtTidus357 06:13, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Smiles and Sunshine (talk) 08:24, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  9. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ113:11, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Man, this one is not easy at all for me, since I adore both characters. I'll have to go with Quistis, but I love Lulu aswell. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:19, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Hard choice, but the Trepie in me dictates this. MissH <3 14:44, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  12. For her in-game lesbian fangirls  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 21:32, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I'll go with Quistis, because of her mad blue magic skills, and her overall character design and role in FFVIII. I have no issues with Lulu, I just like Quistis better in this context. This is good, because I prefer my DNC fights between two characters I like. --Time Master (talk) 22:54, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Dude, she's 18, and she whips people! And as shallow and explored as she is, she's still better than Lulu, who's a cold bitch for no reason. Drake Clawfang (talk) 02:57, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
  15. ^ (Although while the cold bitch part can be explained, I still dislike the character archetype.) -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:55, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
  16.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 23:56, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
  17. +1 For the Blue Mage. Versatile, and powerful. yoboom21 10:46, Dec. 20th, 2012
  18. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 05:50, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Hard choice, considering I don't care much for either, but Quistis was in my final party in FFVIII, if only by default. Jimcloud 05:58, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Umm...dunno what to say, but...*crack the whip's sound*..XD--Nur Fadzila (talk) 10:47, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. That whip.--71.108.113.170 03:50, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I vote Quistis because I like VIII better than X, also the "go talk to a wall" scene is hilarious. 75.174.14.189 04:53, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 108.4.72.240 01:24, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Vote for character with more appropriate outfit! 202.93.35.99 12:24, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for LuluEdit

  1. Black magic for the win. SelkieMaiden267 03:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Hard choice, but she's more useful in battle IMO MystRay 05:27, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  3. ^What Myst said.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 05:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I like her character betterSquallisnotemo (talk) 08:25, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  5. How many characters fight using dolls as weapons? GoldenChocobo 15:59, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I want a Tonberry Doll to fight for me as well. MirrorshardSceada 16:52, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  7. A perfect example of perfectness. A black mage full of wisdom and sexiness. Also, voiced by Paula Tiso who did voice over for Jihl Nabaat from FFXIII/-2.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 20:43, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Peanut Butter! U jelly?Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 21:10, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun122:21, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Love her dress, her sexiness and personality. --Nerdy geek bk (talk) 01:40, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Way more useful. Even story-wise. Quistis can go talk to a wall. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 05:30, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
  12. I don't even know this Lulu, but almost everyone is better than Quistis. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 21:40, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. X is the BEST!!! 121.54.54.51 17:38, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Was a really tough choice for me, despite my preference for X over VIII. However, I had to give in my love for a Blue Mage (or Blue Mage wanna-be) over a Black Mage. Sure, I never got to really use Limit Breaks in VIII, but still, Blue Magic is Blue Magic. That's not to say I don't consider Lulu a great character, especially when she can decimate groups of enemies. Through every play through, she never left my X party if possible. Will enjoy seeing where this goes. King of Noobs 05:11, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Drake: It is implied Lulu is cold because her boyfriend died tragically and she's not over him. Quistis may still be the less shallow one though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 03:12, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Also, her failure to protect Lady Ginnem is likely to have played a role in that as well. Losing someone you've sworn to protect is bound to be a heavy blow after all. MirrorshardSceada 12:33, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
She also has to deal with Wakka all the time. That's enough to make anyone snap --Pzykosiz (talk) 23:48, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't enjoy X as much as VIII, so I may be forgetting something important, but when did Lulu have a badass scene like when Quistis shot down that robot chasing Squall!? :D -yoboom21

Not that I recall, the scenes tended to focus on the other characters far more. That's not to say she doesn't have her badass moments. Like when you master maxing out Ultima Fury, you'll realize she doesn't need a scene to make her badass. King of Noobs 18:00, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
Ultima Fury is the worst ability on the game. It raises far slower than her other Overdrives, the outcome is far weaker than a regular Ultima, and it is the slowest attack on the game so she doesn't get a turn for ages. 79.69.205.192 18:08, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
I rarely use Ultima Fury, so I don't know about the delay.. I usually just double cast it. It's funny that when you use double cast, her next turn isn't delayed, it stays as it is. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 18:39, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Week 226: Last Man Standing Round 25: Freya v. MinwuEdit

AmanoFreya
LMS Icon
Amano Minwu
DEFENDING CHAMPION
FREYA Crescent
FINAL FANTASY IX
VICTORY - 30½ to 16
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
MINWU
FINAL FANTASY II
DEFEAT - 30½ to 16
Freya managed to pull off a close victory against the defending champion Auron last week. This week, however, she faces her first challenge as champion. Will she defeat Minwu, or will the White Mage prove to be the Dragoon's downfall?

Votes for FreyaEdit

  1. Minwu's not bad, I like Minwu, but let's be frank, here, really, there is no comparison between Freya and him. Jimcloud 16:41, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Though I like Minwu, Freya is one of my favorite characters SetzerLeonhart (talk) 16:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Minwu could never hit on Freya, Freya could never atone in the afterlife.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 16:51, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  4. There is no contest between Freya and this White Mage. Enough said. Attheshows (talk) 16:55, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  5. -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 16:57, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  6. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 17:05, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  7. What everyone but Jim above me said. C A T U S E 17:48, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  8. I do like Minwu, but I like Freya so much more. Plus, I prefer IX. Chimomo 17:51, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun118:37, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Avenging Rosa. Minwu really isn't that great. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:32, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 21:42, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  13. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:17, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  14.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 00:02, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Minwu is awesome for standing out slightly against the plethora of White Mages in the FF series, but when up against one of the only two "real" Dragoons in the series (Kain & Freya) there can be no contest. --Adelbert (talk) 02:12, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  16. U jelly? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 03:02, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  17.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:06, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Had to think for a bit. Decided to vote once again for the rat lady. King of Noobs 03:30, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Shocking, I know. Razordash03:41, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  20. I like IX much more than II. --CynderFlame (talk) 04:04, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Vercery 04:56, December 10,2012 (UTC)
  22. Easy. MystRay 00:53, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  23. I haven't played II yet :( Smiles and Sunshine (talk) 08:38, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  24. JurixFreya is teh lulz (Better than JurixMe anyhow). - BlitzballArtTidus357 08:51, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  25. I can't bring myself to vote against her. I love me some Minwu but Freya is just a phenomenal character. Plus if it came to an actual fight Freya would wipe the floor with him like no tomorrow. Bahamut knows best (talk) 14:56, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Hate Freya but vote for her~ ♫ -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 19:15, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Ooooh, tough one. Still going to have to go with Freya's insanely colorful skillset. 8bit 19:16, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  28. Lady-Dragoons are awesome. Miyuron (talk) 00:11, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
  29. I said it before and I'll say it again: The fear of being forgotten is one I know all too well.... MirrorshardSceada 22:19, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Freya is way better that Minwu! Minwu is still a very good character though. 97.121.44.124 20:02, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 121.54.54.60 16:12, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --71.118.253.65 00:18, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for MinwuEdit

  1. Raw mage bias. Dogurasu (talk) 16:12, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Sorry, but I just have something against rats, even badass-dragoon-humanoid ones. Rats creep me out in real life. SelkieMaiden267 16:34, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  3. More like WINwu, am I right? --BlueHighwind 16:56, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi (talk) 17:15, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Freya can easily win five LMS fights even without my vote. GoldenChocobo 17:17, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  6. AstrialJam (talk) 18:03, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I'll give my support to Minwu here. A lot of my reasoning why was said last week, but I like to support the underrated characters and games occasionally. It gives them a chance in the sun, especially when they really are good characters/games, yet are oh-so-unfortunately overshadowed by more popular characters (often unjustifiably so). But who am I to tell you how to vote? Do as you will. --Time Master (talk) 19:08, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Tetraninja321 19:12, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Minwu's good, I'd love to see an upset --Pzykosiz (talk) 21:16, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Grinding your white magic after Minwu leaves because you stopped using yours when he joined the party. Bad times. It happened to me. Light IconTia-LewiseLight Icon 23:20, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I gotta fight for my Minwus.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:37, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Cloudn 11:08, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I find Minwu far more useful in battle than Freya. Freya is great and useful. But Minwu gets my vote. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ111:47, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
  14. --Leon95 17:50, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. ScatheMote 17:52, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Actually, just to lower the difference JC Holy Knight 01:01, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

Peanut GalleryEdit

Freya managed to pull off a close victory against the defending champion Auron last week.

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Say what? C A T U S E 17:50, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Auron was the running LMS champion (or I guess contender for such?) when Freya beat him. Now Freya is the one holding that title -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:30, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Which was two weeks ago, not last week. C A T U S E 21:19, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, but the fight ended exactly one week ago. :3 -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:15, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Which would make the statement true for exactly one day. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:53, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
It only need to be true when it was written. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:49, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
One could also interpret it as last week of the LMS -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:18, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
i think my mind exploded from confusion. can someone help me tape it back together? --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:32, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, we're out of tape. Besides, all we were doing was indulging in a bit of semantics. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:21, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh come on now, Tidus, stop denying your ~♥TRUE LOVE♥~ for Juri. :P -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 09:23, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Quit badgering me, I'll tell who my "~♥TRUE LOVE♥~" is in due time T_T - BlitzballArtTidus357 23:09, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
But we already know. It's Juri. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
It's not. It's a girl >_> - BlitzballArtTidus357 00:02, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
A likely cover story. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:57, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
I'd just like to point out that you know Homestuck a lot better than I do, so you should know kismessitude is NOT represented with a heart.
I can also back up Tidus's cover story. C A T U S E 01:02, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
Now, just remember that this is a totally non-judgmental, accepting environment here. No one will say anything negative if you want to add one of the many orientation-related userboxes to your page. Although we may have to draw the line at TidusxJuri fanfiction. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:03, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
That's not what this is about C A T U S E 01:06, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
I'd just like to say that if I get into trouble for any of this, Juri's reaction on the IRC was totally worth it. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:26, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
I hate every single one of you. Especially you SCM! JuriSuzukiDissicon ff13 Lig1 07:58, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
Juri, in all seriousness, people would not find it as funny if you didn't react to it every time with yelling that you hate all of us, yelling at us to go to hell, or yelling about how you'll kill us with an army of Magikarp. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 11:00, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
Well you have a point there. But the pastebin link? Everyone can see that for their own personal amusement. I'll be attracting fame in the wrong kind of way! And don't dis the Magikarp! They may look weak, meek and helpless but once they evolve, they are a lean, mean, kill machine and they will kill you and Cat. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff13 Lig1 11:39, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
If it makes you feel better, I'm gonna drop the joke as I doubt I can do any better than what happened here anyway. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 11:51, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


Week 225: Minwu v. Rosa FarrellEdit

Theatrhythm Minwu
DNC Versus
IV-rosa sd
VICTOR
Minwu
31½ to 11½
This week holds a special match-up between the series' first named White Mages. Both beloved, who shall prevail; he who gave up his life to break the seal on Ultima, or she who ushered forth new life into the world whom would rise to save it? Who shall rise victorious? VICTOR
Minwu
31½ to 11½

Votes for MinwuEdit

  1. For me, an easy choice. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 05:26, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Easy decision.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:30, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Minwu's defining moment was giving his life for the Ultima Tome. Rosa's was getting kidnapped by Kain. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 09:35, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I'll take Minwu over Rosa. Unsealed the Ultima Tome, then gathered a party on the other side to defeat the Light Emperor without hesitation - no follower, he, but a leader. Dogurasu (talk) 12:20, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. He is the first playable character in the series with a name and storyline.GoldenChocobo 13:10, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Best character in the series. ScatheMote 13:47, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  7. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:17, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Easy. MystRay 15:36, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. One of these characters isn't the satellite. Jimcloud 16:14, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Rosahate  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 16:17, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Because Rosa is awful. --Leon95 17:04, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  12. --ClixPsi (talk) 17:14, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Rosa is ok, but I've always liked Minwu. He unlocked the Ultimate magic, wasn't afraid to fight with the party, and then led the team that overthrew the Emperor's light side after his death. This man is one of my favorite characters in FF2, and gets extra points for pulling off the male white mage role, and doing it well. --Time Master (talk) 18:37, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Because Minwu's a strong independent white mage who don't need no paladin to protect him. Justanotherjosh (talk) 00:54, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Cookies! Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 01:51, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  16. I figured Minwu would win this, but this is more than i expected. Razordash03:01, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Female White Mages are a dime-a-dozen in Final Fantasy. Props go to the man in a dress. King of Noobs 04:32, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I like both, actually. But reading the above comment made me choose Minwu, as well. MissH <3 05:45, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I've never really liked IV all that much and I always imagined Minwu being really mysterious and sexy. Bahamut knows best (talk) 08:07, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Minwu all the way. --CynderFlame (talk) 09:27, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  21.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 12:31, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  22. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 17:45, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  23. What contest? Also, since nobody has mentioned it yet... "urban turban" -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:21, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
  24. I truly felt sad when Minwu gave his life. And i love his name, i could say it over and over. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ122:08, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
  25. User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 14:41, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Rosa may have travelled to Kaipo on her own, but this guy travelled to Mysidia and climbed the Mysidian Tower on his own whereas the party had a hard time doing so (curse you, Thunder Gigas!) MirrorshardSceada 14:55, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
  27. AstrialJam (talk) 15:41, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
  28. Tetraninja321 20:16, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
  29. --BlueHighwind 20:42, December 7, 2012 (UTC): HOLY HOLY HOLY IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, WHO WAS, AND IS, AND IS TO COME!!
  30. Just think that I should vote for this guy, his journey and sacrifice deserve respect, also the male white mage thing counts a lot in his favor, they should create more characters like this (even though Rosa is a good character in my opinion; won't talk about their feats because this was already well discussed.) JC Holy Knight 02:00, November 08, 2012 (UTC)
  31.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun101:25, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 108.4.72.240 02:44, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for RosaEdit

  1. C A T U S E 05:26, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Always liked the Archer + White Mage combination. Even decided to use for a project of my own.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 05:27, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. When cure3 just doesn't cut it.Squallisnotemo (talk) 07:00, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. More useful by comparison, and I truly think she is a better character than a lot of people give her credit for. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. She risked her life to tell Cecil that his life was in danger, by crossing a friggin' mountain and almost dying of desert fever. Surely she deserves a bit of credit --Pzykosiz (talk) 01:56, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Landslide lessening strategy. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 10:01, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I feel like this is more people voting against Rosa then for Minwu. I personally am voting for her mainly cause Minwu sucked to use in combat while Rosa was quite good. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 22:33, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Oh, oh, oh, come on guys! Such a hard choice for me! I love both of these characters! Oh...This is tough, but I go with Rosa because she didn't die in-game for a useless spell, and also a White Mage who can use a bow and arrow is unique enough to influence my vote. Go Rosa! --Marael (talk) 15:28, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Rosa's really badass for a white mage. SelkieMaiden267 15:59, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
  10. ^Also, hot. - BlitzballArtTidus357 00:51, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
  11. SidVI 10:21, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 121.54.54.45 14:16, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

This fight marks Minwu's first appearance in the DNC. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:25, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I know Rosa's not well liked and it's only been one day, but c'mon, this landslide is looking a little ridiculous. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 05:05, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

My god, what the hell is this? Why are people so against Rosa? WTF? --Pzykosiz (talk) 05:36, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I could name a number of reasons (not all of them right), but it will be a massive wall of text. Basically she's your typical damsal in distress, but it's nothing worth hating for. Minwu has done well in several player owned arena's and it doesn't surprise me his first time here isn't any less impressive, I think in general people here respect Minwu more. Razordash05:48, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
My guess would be that a lot of people remember them both by their most major plot thread, which for Minwu (sacrificing himself) looks a hell of a lot better than Rosa (getting captured). Of course they both went on to do other things beyond that (I would dare argue that Rosa went on to accomplish more, even.) - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:41, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I'm not "anti-Rosa" but more "pro-Minwu". Minwu is designed to be a White Wizard and he fills the role superbly; he is also a fount of knowledge without being a know-it-all and is willing to sacrifice himself to the benefit of the main protagonists - and when he gets the Ultima Tome in Arubboth, he's a bloody holy monster. Rosa Joanna Farrell is a strong love interest and quite skilled with white magic and a bow, a deadly enough combination. She is devoted to the one she loves and capable of fighting by his side. However... I just see more in Minwu than I do in Rosa. Dogurasu (talk) 12:12, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
You just proved my point, since you left out mentioning the rest of Rosa's accomplishments while exaggerating Minwu's. But since you referred to her by her full name (which isn't stated in game), I'd be inclined to think you haven't played FF4 so I can't blame you for drawing your comparison as you did if that's the case. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, let's see. Rosa starts the game by catching Cecil in the stairway, then meeting with him in his room, trying to talk Cecil out of his embittered mood before his trip to Mist. The next time she is seen, if memory serves, she is found in Kaipo, suffering from desert fever as she tries to get to Cecil's side to protect and heal him. (Accomplishments: Going from Baron to Mist through the Mist Cave; going from Mist to Kaipo - no mean feat, with the path blocked). She is then revived by the Sand Pearl and travels with the party to Fabul, where she serves as a healer during the siege; when she gets to the Crystal Chamber, Golbez takes her to the Tower of Zot. She remains captured until rescued once more by Cecil and his allies, where she resumes her role as the party's white mage (Accomplishments: Keeping the party alive thanks to White Magic). Trying to recall the events of the game... lost the Earth Crystal in trade for Rosa, Tellah dies casting Meteor, escape from Zot as Rosa Teleports everybody out and back to Baron (Accomplishments: Teleporting the party from certain doom thanks to White Magic), they go to the Underworld, fight Golbez, Rydia returns and Golbez is defeated, lose the first Dark Crystal... Tower of Babil, lose Yang, Cid flies everybody back and blows himself sky-high to seal off the entry, party goes to Eblan, everybody meets Edge, return to King Giott, use Luca's Amulet to get into the Sealed Cave (Accomplishment: Keep the party alive against the Trap Doors and Demon Wall with White Magic), Kain turns traitor again and takes the other Dark Crystal, head back up to the surface, go to the moon, meet FuSoYa, go back to Earth, defeat the Giant of Babil (Accomplishment: Keep the party alive against the CPU with White Magic)... The next time she's seen leaving the party, it's because Cecil tries to ditch her on Earth saying that it's basically men's work. Rosa and Rydia, however, stowaway (Accomplishment: Defy Cecil to show that she means to protect and heal him, no matter what) and wind up helping on the moon (Accomplishment: Keep the party alive and fighting against the creatures of the moon with White Magic). At the end of the game, they return to Earth and Rosa marries Cecil, an action which begets Ceodore (Accomplishment?: Give birth to a member of the next generation of heroes). After this, in The After Years, she becomes a loving queen who, as a party member, saves Cecil and possibly Golbez (Accomplishment: Rescue beloved husband and possibly his brother). In my opinion, her greatest accomplishment is one I did indeed omit: Travelling alone from Baron to Kaipo after the path is destroyed by Titan. Second, another admitted omission (though purposeful, as I was not counting The After Years), rescuing Cecil and possibly Golbez from Cecil's dark side. The rest is all done with her magic, something that any other White Mage or Sage could have done; these are not her unique contributions, but are part and parcel of being a White Mage, and she just happened to be there. Now, if I have left anything out, let me know; I would not want to be left unmoved by a piece of information I could be lacking. (Side note: I did not include Lunar Trials or sidequests, but successfully healing all those people in her personal Lunar Trial is formidable.) Dogurasu (talk) 19:57, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
If you think I was trying to insult your lack of knowledge, I was not and I apologize. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:04, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really like Minwu's sacrifice because it's really, really stupid. Of course, they both come from games that are just stupid sacrifice after stupid sacrifice, but Minwu's just takes the cake. A powerful white mage would be much more use to the Wild Rose than a single copy of the Ultima Tome, which is so useless it isn't even funny. C A T U S E 14:34, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah but even though Ultima sucks in game, storywise its apparently amazing and so would justify the sacrifice with its bad guy pwning awesomenessSquallisnotemo (talk) 05:31, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe, but he knew he was only getting one tome, which is enough for one spellcaster. Maybe if he was unlocking the Fat Man Tome or something. C A T U S E 05:43, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
Well, he was then doing it based on legends about the spell. Which is kinda dumb. And then in Soul of Rebirth, he tries to grab another copy, risking himself getting double-killed. Which is even dumber. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:26, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, it is not the act of sacrificing one's life which is inherently valuable or noble, it is what is gotten in return to make the act worth doing. And in Minwu's case, eh, maybe not so much. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 23:37, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
I do understand that Aeris isn't the only white mage to give up her life in an effort to thwart the driving evil force; Minwu was surprisingly useful from beyond the grave before Aeris came along. Unfortunately, though, I can't exactly laugh in Emperor Mateus's face because of that fact, as he apparently didn't deliver the blow that killed Minwu (unlike Sephiroth, whom I can laugh at for his failure to realize that killing Aeris only made her stronger). But I still dislike the convention of being forced to watch White Mage die before Final Boss gets the ass-kicking he deserves. Like E&T mentioned in an anti-Kefka post in a previous Peanut Gallery, if I need to checkmate my enemy, I really don't want to be forced to sacrifice my queen in order to do it. SelkieMaiden267 16:15, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
Or my bishop, in Minwu's case (if you know what I mean) ;) JC Holy Knight 01:02, December 06, 2012 (UTC)

@Selkiemaiden, mmmm, Rosa badass. I'll have to think on that one hehehe. Sorry, I like Rosa to an extent, but I think she's opposite of badass. Perhaps Kain and maaaaybe Cecil who she hangs out with, but not Rosa. Razordash21:51, December 5, 2012 (UTC)  :D

idk, traveling alone from Baron to Kaipo after Titan destroyed the path inbetween is pretty badass. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:26, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
In fairness that is less Rosa's own capability and more plot contrivance. Most likely Square simply forgot about the path being blocked, or hoped players forgot -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 14:44, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree. If it was plot contrivance Rosa would have shown up fine and dandy. Also, the time span between Titan's earthquake and finding Rosa in Kaipo is also such a short frame of time that I don't think players would have forgotten about the former event so quickly. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:43, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
If we are going to continue to bring up Rosa's solo trek from Baron to Kaipo - which, as I have said before, is no mean feat - I would like to bring up Minwu's solo quest from Fynn to the top of the Mysidian Tower. Not only does he have to cross part of the world, he also faces a tower whose size rivals that of the final dungeon, to say nothing of the monsters and hazards he faces. It's no wonder he winds up dying to acquire the first Ultima tome. (Also, I don't know what everybody else is talking about concerning Ultima's uselessness; it worked rather well for me once I leveled it and other spells.) Dogurasu (talk) 19:05, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
Another thing worth mentioning is that the story present in the plot and its effect in the gameplay are two very different things. When I played the game, I found the Ultima tome odd indeed because of the way it worked in the battles. But it does not mean that its title of "ultimate magic/tome" was a wrong concept in the plot nor that Minwu's sacrifice should be less important because of this "malfunctioning" of the tome. Those who found the Ultima tome "useless" should blame the fact that its application in the gameplay didn't have the intended effect of showing its importance in the plot as the most powerful magic, as it is in the context of the plot (the text is a bit confusing, I know, feel free to ask anything) JC Holy Knight 02:11, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
You may have a point... if the importance of the tome didn't completely fall out of the story the second Mateus' tornado shows up. Ultima was completely useless both in gameplay and plot. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 13:12, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
The point I believe he was trying to make is that, if Ultima worked properly (in other words, wasn't "malfunctioning" due to how it was programmed), it would have been much more potent and thus be worth more to the player. That would increase its importance, becoming a powerful weapon in the party's arsenal against Mateus - tornado or no tornado. Dogurasu (talk) 14:48, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Of course Ultima would have been better if it had worked properly, but it didn't, so the point is moot. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:00, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
How is the point moot? As I mentioned before, I never understood how it was broken in versions other than the NES version as it worked well enough for me. This could be because of all the spell-grinding I did with Firion, though. Dogurasu (talk) 01:33, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Because you're stating the painfully obvious. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:43, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Week 224: Last Man Standing Round 24: Auron v. FreyaEdit

FFX2Auron
LMS Icon
Freya Crescent character
CHAMPION
AURON
FINAL FANTASY X
DEFEAT - 26½ to 27
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
FREYA CRESCENT
FINAL FANTASY IX
VICTORY - 26½ to 27
For his first match as defending champion of LMS, Auron faces off against another warrior who has been dealt loss in her adventures. Who will win in a fight between Samurai and Dragoon? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for AuronEdit

  1. - BlitzballArtTidus357 05:46, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  2. How can Auron have so few votes? If Freya wins I'm boycotting the colosseum votes. Not to be rude but it seems that every FFIX character that shows up is mindlessly lauded with praise. Screw that! CylindrusAltum (talk) 16:45, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I abide by my previous voteSquallisnotemo (talk) 10:41, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I'm usually quite open minded, but come onnnnnnnnnnnn how is there seriously any way that Freya > Auron? No disrespect to Freya; She's a solid character, but Auron is just way way WAY out of her league, he's one of the best characters to have ever been created in anything! Cheah123 (talk) 12:27, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  5. ==Trindadex== 13:46, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  6. We will never forget you, Freya. But Auron is the best! GoldenChocobo 15:02, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Voting for Sir Auron, once again on the grounds that I like X a lot better than IX. EdgarXTerra4ever 17:16, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Awesome guy. --Leon95 17:37, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 17:39, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  10. FFX was my first FF game, so in a way, Auron's awesomeness helped me get into the series. I also agree with the voter who said that FFIX characters receive too much (unwarranted) praise (with the possible exception of Quina, Catuse). There is also an awful lot of pathos influencing voters on the Freya side. I understand that her back-story is quite tragic, but Fratley did in fact, start to love her again at the end. Sure the initial shock of being forgotten was rough, but things started to work out between the two in the end. I'm hoping that voters will vote with their logical minds, and not with their fickle hearts. --Time Master (talk) 20:01, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  11.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 20:33, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Who the HECK is Rat-lady over there? SelkieMaiden267 02:46, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Bacon? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 04:32, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Believe it or not, despite all my comments, I do love Freya, just not as much as Auron. Razordash04:49, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  15. --Pzykosiz (talk) 10:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  16.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun101:34, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
  17. ScatheMote 13:01, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Auron is a great character, as he is the guide of the party: revealing the path to them carefully, and leading them to the right way. His tragic story is only not "fully" explored in the game because he's not the emotional kind of guy (no offense to the emotional people; everybody has different traits of their own personality), but it still gives a very strong sense to his loyalty, as he fulfills the promises he made to his friends. At least this was what I saw in him when I played the game, and that's the reason I am voting for him, even though I too felt very sorry for Freya about the hardships she had to pass in IX (all in the same few moments!) JC Holy Knight 01:37, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I may not know much about Freya, but even if I did, I would still go for Auron. He is just too awesome not to be voted for. SyenyhoKirby 01:40, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  20. This fight is surprisingly even. Let me make it even-er. :P -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:03, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  21. I actually honestly thought that Auron would win this bout no problem. While I agree FFIX is the superior game I always felt that Freya wasn't all that integral to the main plot while Auron was essential. Also always used Auron in my party while rarely using Freya --Ffgamesftw (talk) 05:10, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Damn Auron, you're currently undefeated in DNC. You are NOT starting now.--Kierandell1409 (talk) 11:00, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
  23. A rat with a spear vs. Auron? Auron would win any day and I for one will do my job to make sure that he does. --Marael (talk) 19:53, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
  24. not even dying stops him --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 00:30, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Ever since he lit that tornado on fire, I've felt a connection with this man. -- Koolguy28 (talk) 4:37, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 108.175.240.142 19:25, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 114.79.63.202 07:37, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Down with the big dirty rat! 184.5.180.101 01:35, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for FreyaEdit

  1. I actually felt something for Freya when I played through FFIX. While I found the story of the previous group of Summoner and Guardians who defeated Sin fascinating, it never really stirred the heartstrings like Freya's story did. Jimcloud 05:47, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I don't like to vote against Auron, I even had a rationale planned out and everything. But Freya is just better in every possible way. Even her etymology is better. C A T U S E 05:55, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  3. She's prettier. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:54, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Auron still fulfilled his promises to his friends through Tidus and Yuna. But the shock of losing Burmecia, then Fratley, then Cleyra all in succession - the hurt is there in Freya and it strikes me too. Mierna 08:23, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Don't get me wrong, Auron is awesome, and most likely the better fighter, but lately, I've been more on the emotional side, and if we're going by emotions, Freya can't lose this in my eyes. To be forgotten is a pain I know just all too well after all... MirrorshardSceada 12:11, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Even though she had a lot less screentime, she appealed to me more than Auron SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:09, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I can identify more with Freya's story than Auron's. Plus, Freya has always been more useful to me in battle. Chimomo 14:56, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  8. I prefer the tragic dragoon to the stoic samurai. It also goes back to systems for me; I just can't stand a system where anybody is capable of everything but limit breaks (and possibly summons). Dogurasu (talk) 15:18, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 17:09, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  10. An amazing character like Auron doesn't deserve fans whose comments on voting for him are so baseless.--Adelbert (talk) 21:03, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  11. King of Noobs 22:47, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Vercery 23:11, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Freya's story in IX's was heart-wrenching. Auron's story, while cool, just didn't do it for me like Freya's. MystRay 00:23, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  14. --ClixPsi (talk) 00:43, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I still don't like Freya much, but a samurai has to look cool. And Auron doesn't look cool enough for my taste. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 11:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Her dragoon skills are more unique, Aurons can be used by anyoneBalthierfan (talk) 19:08, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Final Fantasy IX. Unsane (talk) 23:32, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I'd take Steiner over Freya in a battle any day, but in terms of character there are few in IX that are better than her. Auron is cool and all, but Freya is just amazing. Also, dragoon = instantly awesome. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 11:21, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
  19. By the end of X, i only LIKED Auron. I'm only 3/4 of the way through IX and i'm already in love with Freya! JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ118:01, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Attheshows (talk) 01:11, November 28, 2012 (UTC) I like both of them, but, Freya is by far my favorite out of these two. She has a fantastic story and a great moveset! Go Freya!<3
  21. I always loved Freya's skillset and the huge amount of utility it provided. Luna is great against annoying spellcasters, Dragon's Crest is rewarding to use after grinding all those Grand Dragons (you're going to grind them anyway :3), Reis' Wind is surprisingly useful, especially when Eiko or Garnet is incapacitated, and White Draw gives crazy MP sustain. I will, however, admit that Six Dragons, while graphically shiny, is rather useless. ^^ 8bit 00:07, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Reminded me of old-school dragoons. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite 07:38, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Freya is bad ass and heart rending. Attempts at that combination rarely ever comes across well. Freya however does it amazingly.Bahamut knows best (talk) 13:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Sorry Auron. --CynderFlame (talk) 08:29, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
  25. -- 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 11:30, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Sorry, Auron, close one, but not meant to be, I suppose. Fighter Jecht (talk) 04:49, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Freya's jump is extremely useful for me.--72.67.142.81 03:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Auron is a beast but Freya is just a more real character. I liked her story better. #97.121.53.39 03:14, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

@Cylindrus: Not Quina :( C A T U S E 18:33, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Time Master: It's a popularity contest. How do "logical minds" even come into the equation? Jimcloud 02:35, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Also, considering this is the DNC where name-calling and general trolling is considered the logical reaction to fights with Kuja in them, I'd hope that voters not use their logical minds here. Yes, I'm still annoyed over how everyone acted back then. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 02:45, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
Correction: this is the DNC where name-calling and general trolling is considered the logical reaction to fights with FFIX in them, I'd hope that voters not use their logical minds here. C A T U S E 03:22, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
Close enough >_> -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:17, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

@Jimcloud: I was trying to say that too many people seem to be voting for Freya simply because of her tragic backstory. I think voters should decide who to vote for based on multiple reasons, not just because of a single event/issue that strongly involves emotion. @Some Color Mage, I'll likely not get as heated as I was during the Kuja weeks, because I don't hate Freya; I'd just like to see properly justified votes.--Time Master (talk) 03:05, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

If people want to vote for a completely inconsequential reason, they're free to do so. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:11, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
Well, thinking tactically, Jump prevents damage and effects, while defending only halves damage. Freya is faster on average than Auron, assuming Auron has only completed his part of the Sphere Grid (otherwise, he's more of a samurai-sage-knight-thief-alchemist-hunter rather than just a samurai), while Auron (as only a samurai) does not have access to Delay Attack/Buster or Speed Break. Freya's selection of passive abilities is also naturally wider (including Cover-Counter-Eye 4 Eye and Man Eater), and her Dragon skills are at least as unique as Auron's Overdrives without needing to wait for a bar to fill to use them. On that note, I have always been of the opinion that a character's abilities make a character who he or she is; allowing everybody to learn everything takes that away, so I favor games like Final Fantasy IX over those like Final Fantasy X. Additionally, Freya's story bears more of an emotional pull than Auron's; while his death and the loss of his charge (High Summoner Braska) and friend (Jecht) along with his life are indeed tragic, he pretty much gets over it quickly and becomes a source of exposition and a badass tank. By the end of Final Fantasy IX, we don't even know if Fratley and Freya will stay together, and as it is stated in her personal quote, "To be forgotten is worse than death." It resonates with people more than Auron's story does. Auron is cool, but Freya connects better. Dogurasu (talk) 11:21, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
'I think voters should decide who to vote for based on multiple reasons, not just because of a single event/issue that strongly involves emotion.' People can vote for whatever reasons they want. I for one tend to vote for whoever I like better as a character. Some people think about the game they come from, others about how effective they are gameplay-wise and so on... So if the single event/issue that strongly involved emotion was something that made the player connect to the character, I don't see what's wrong with that.. It's a popularity contest, of course people will tend to vote for whoever they like best, for whatever reasons that may be. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 16:19, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
"I understand that her back-story is quite tragic, but Fratley did in fact, start to love her again at the end. Sure the initial shock of being forgotten was rough, but things started to work out between the two in the end. I'm hoping that voters will vote with their logical minds, and not with their fickle hearts"

Yes. In the almost universally happy ending of the game. Things getting better doesn't take away from the position Freya was in at that moment. Unfortunately character development and story is one of the biggest reasons to like someone. And IX has a lot of it.

I actually like most of IX's character. Although I'm apathetic to Quina and have no opinion of Kuja. Hey, IX had good characters. FFX also had good characters. And I like Auron but I don't think I'd ever vote against Freya. 79.69.193.185 13:25, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I was simply trying to gain justification for the Freya votes. I can't and won't stop people from voting for who they want, why they want. However, the biggest issue I was trying to get at, is the unjustified pro-FFIX slant the DNC has exhibited for a seemingly long time. Don't get me wrong, I'm quite fond of FFIX, its in my top 5 Favorite FF games, in fact. However, what I don't like is blind devotion and rampant fanboyism, although less extreme cases are more common. All I'd like to see are logical voting reasons and justified arguments, whether I agree with them or not. --Time Master (talk) 19:22, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Number of votes that imply IX is better than X: 0. Seriously, man, stop getting so worried about how people vote in a popularity contest. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 19:38, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
Edit conflict: I think we should simply try to gain justification for the Auron votes. I can't and won't stop people from voting for who they want, why they want, but an issue we might consider getting at is the unjustified pro-"awesome" slant the DNC has exhibited for a seemingly long time. Many of us don't like blind devotion and rampant fanboyism, although less extreme cases are more common. All most of us would like to see are logical voting reasons and justified arguments, whether we agree with them or not.
Or then again, maybe it's just a popularity contest -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:42, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Much more enjoyable fight. I hate overly one-sided fights. It's like watching a sports game where one team just completely dominates another. No fun. King of Noobs 21:57, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Is it just me or does it seem like bashing whatever game gets popular is the cool thing to do? FFVII used to get a lot of undeserving flak, and now that people are beginning to praise IX it's becoming the new target. Can't we all just accept that each of us has different tastes in games and their characters? At the end of the day we're all Final Fantasy fans here... Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 11:17, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

When a lot of people like something you don't like, the typical human reaction appears to be to yell louder. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:34, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
and to say that they're wrong for whatever reason you seem to think of firstSquallisnotemo (talk) 04:09, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

It seems that I've been taking this entire thing too seriously. It really is just a popularity contest on a website, and by corollary, not real life. And just as Mateus said, we all like Final Fantasy, or we wouldn't be here. We just favor some games over others. As a result, I'll try not to question voting motives, and not challenge any leanings this site may have toward a particular game. I know that I tend to stir up the DNC sometimes with my comments, but I'll try to keep them to a minimum. So, vote how you wish, why you wish, for who you wish. --Time Master (talk) 20:23, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm guilty for complaining about how people vote more than you time if it helps any. AnywaysI still love Freya, and won't think of her any less if Auron loses. Razordash21:52, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Now this fight was a very hard decision for me (and all the previous comments didn't help me decide), because both are very good characters in their respective games (and I think that's the reason of the big divergence); In the end I decided not to vote against Auron, I just couldn't do it. Anyway, I'd want to know from you: is Quina a hated character? I thought that (s)he was so funny when I played IX, his/her journey is kind of senseless and crazy, but it is amusing to see. JC Holy Knight 01:49, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I found Quina ok. There was some funny moments with s/he but for me that was pretty much it. I wouldn't say I either love it or hate it. But I'd say yeah, Quina is a pretty hated character in the fandom. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 01:16, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Week 223: Freya v KimahriEdit

IX-art-freya
DNC Versus
Kimahri Menu
VICTOR
Freya
34½ to 6½
Two dragoons face off this week. Both are of a rather beastly appearance, and both were forgotten by their respective writers by the end of the game. But which one did you remember? VICTOR
Freya
34½ to 6½

Votes for FreyaEdit

  1. More useful, and a more believable character as well. C A T U S E 16:24, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  2. "Despair - to be forgotten is worse than death."  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun116:37, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Definitely this chick. Jimcloud 16:44, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Better fighting skills and equipment set. Master Lamington 16:45, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I can identify so well with Freya's emotional struggle. I always could. And now, that a certain someone has indeed forgotten me as it seems, I can so even better... MirrorshardSceada 16:54, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  6.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 16:57, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  7. You guys hated her before, I dunno what's gotten into you. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:03, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Hey, I didn't hate Freya before; finished the game like a month ago! But yeah, she has more to do in her game than Kimahri does in his.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 17:08, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  9. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 17:23, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  10. --ClixPsi (talk) 17:38, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Always liked her, one of my favorite characters in IX. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 18:16, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  12. As much as I may love the blue fur-ball, I'm going to put my vote here for the rat lady as well. King of Noobs 18:21, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Vercery 18:40, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Not even a contest. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Good character, even though she loses significance about halfway through... CylindrusAltum (talk) 09:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Kimahri is just a boring character, and unless you feel like playing with Expert Sphere Grid, the worst PC in FFX, period. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:06, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Grah, Kimahri the tiger smurf - BlitzballArtTidus357 23:09, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I wanted to like Kimahri, I honestly did.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 23:59, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Brownies? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 05:04, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Always been one of my favourite characters of IX, even if she is fairly useless in battle. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 07:12, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
  21. I truly felt sorry for Freya when she found out she was forgotten by Sir Fratley. And the fact that Burmecia and Cleyra were both destroyed just made the heartache worse. She's awesome in battle though! JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ113:57, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Yeah... Actual dragoon over Limit Break jumper, interaction over silence, specific character powers over "I can eventually do anything"... Kimahri isn't a bad character, but Freya's just better, in my opinion. Dogurasu (talk) 14:31, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
  23.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 01:22, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Normally I would have pity voted for Kimahri but I think he would be insulted and Freya is one of my absolute favorites in any game ever. Bahamut knows best (talk) 19:11, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Actually competent and actually interesting -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:48, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Good old Kimahri didn't exactly get the lion's share (if you'll pardon the pun) of the awesomeness inherent in FFX's party, even if I've come to appreciate him more over time. Freya is one of the best things about IX; good character, good battle skills, and... intriguing. I'll not go into that further. I feel a bit sorry for Kimahri taking a grand ole' smashing here, but you know he can take it like a man... lion... thing. --AuronKaizer! 21:05, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Uh, yeah. The only time I ever use Kimahri is to make him defend so he gets at least a bit of AP. Push to the side, and in comes a better Dragoon. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 00:17, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
  28.  Cecily Redwingslogo  22:03, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
  29. Freya is the only FFIX character I don't really like... but I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate Kimahri!! -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 08:21, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
  30. Oh Sir Fratley.... Mierna 12:42, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
  31. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite 19:14, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
  32. MystRay 20:03, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
  33. Razordash04:07, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
  34. I liked her more than Kimahri, he was a bit... boring? Maybe Freya wasn't too relevant at the end of Final Fantasy IX, but still, she was a good character and I felt very sorry for her when Fratley said he didn't remember Freya... Smiles and Sunshine (talk) 09:56, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Freya's one of my favorite character. --180.246.190.36 07:36, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for KimahriEdit

  1. I'll be the first to vote for this guy, partially out of pity. Anyhow, I always preferred to use Steiner rather than Freya, because I found he had more power and versatility, than she did (Magic Sword with Vivi FTW). Also I used Kimahri as a secondary Auron, due to his natural piercing ability in his weapons. His blue magic was also useful, and could be used differently depending on the situation. From what I can tell, he is losing so terribly not because he is a bad character, but everyone just seems to think Freya is better, or so it would seem. --Time Master (talk) 18:27, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Part pity vote, part because I like X better than IX. EdgarXTerra4ever 19:26, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Because cats eat rats. GoldenChocobo 15:23, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I did like Kimahri as a character. The fact that he had a minor role and limited sphere grid does probably work against him. However, he was the one who was willing to sacrifice himself to protect the rest of the party, when others ran --Pzykosiz (talk) 04:19, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  5. SidVI 18:21, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Yeeeaaahhhh, I don't think this will make much of a differenceSquallisnotemo (talk) 21:23, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 80.78.215.147 20:58, November 19, 2012 (UTC) I think it's too bad that he have a such a small role in FFX, if just some effort were added, his story could have been quite cute and strong. However, I kind of forgot about him as the only thing he does are... well what everybody else could do as well.

Peanut GalleryEdit

Has there ever been a landslide this bad? C A T U S E 17:40, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

With no votes for the opposing side? No. We'll see later on in the week if the voting trend holds, which I doubt it will, but this should still be one of the more slanted fights in terms of votes that we've had. Jimcloud 17:43, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
I think this may be the most epic landslide, with nearly a 6:1 vote ratio. King of Noobs 05:01, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think the problem with Khimari is how his sphere grid is. It's so small, that he ends up having to branch into another character's default grid way too early, while others can generally keep on trucking on their own lines for quite some time, making him loose his uniqueness. Sure, he's your early "pierce weapon" user, but Auron comes along not too much longer, and with his default higher strength stat and path, he can hammer through defenses. Freya, at least, because of the way IX is, is full of unique skills and style. King of Noobs 18:27, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I've never seen anyone getting beaten so badly in a DNC fight before; and I felt that I needed to help the poor guy out. Just as a general question, I'd like to know whether he is losing by such a large margin because he himself is hated, or perhaps Freya is simply liked more. Also, their combat abilities may be a factor as well, as I could never find a definitive sphere grid path for Kimahri. I'm not defending him per se, I'm just intrigued by this data trend. --Time Master (talk) 18:34, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think that Kimahri is generally one of the least liked main characters of X (broadly comparable to Wakka, I suppose), whereas Freya is one of the better liked characters of IX, so a little of both, I suppose. Jimcloud 18:51, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
I can't think of anyone off hand that's said they like him, except maybe Xep and Gilgy-kun. Kimahri just needed more lines. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:56, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't think he was (or deserves to be) hated per se, but compared to a character like Freya, he just falls really flat. There's a point where being a strong silent type stops, and being just plain boring begins. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 07:17, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Kimahri gets credit for my biggest like-to-dislike flip in video games. When you get to Gagazet you realise he's actually a douche. 79.69.206.200 22:39, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, hey! I already know the winner!Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 22:58, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
I'd say differing demographics of the arenas means this isn't guaranteed, but... yeah, this is inevitable. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:56, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

I prefer Freya as a character (she is one of the few female FF characters who isn’t stereotyped as a beautiful girl), but I am a disciple of Red Mage Statscowski.. Logic is the strongest weapon! GoldenChocobo 15:27, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Look at that landslide, HAHAHA.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 23:09, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, No, No, This isn't how I wanted this battle to go at all. I thought this would be a least close --Pzykosiz (talk) 01:25, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

I found this fight to be extremely predictable from the start, due to the fact that Kimahri is disliked by a vast majority of FF fans.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 23:19, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

When I was on the IRC I had someone tell me that the FFWIKI was an upside down world where FF7 was under-rated, and FF9 was over-rated... In time it has proven to be right. But I won't say that's the only reason Freya won, I think freya easily connected with fans because of her several heart breaking moments. Kimahri I think was suppose to be a badass, but if that was true, than Auron over-shadowed him easily. Although I also admit, the same could be said with Vivi overshadowing Freya, in the feel bad area. So I can be wrong. Razordash04:05, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that Freya is winning because more people could relate to her. But I don't think that this has that much to do with the game she is from. I mean, it seems FFIX is more loved than FFX around here, but I'm pretty sure Freya will lose to Auron in the next fight. SetzerLeonhart (talk) 12:47, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Vivi and Freya differed from each other in which emotion they had to deal with, which gave them both their unique spots in the hearts of the players. Granted, Vivi's aspect, which is of course mortality and the question "Do I even exist?", along with his young age had the bigger impact, but nontheless, Freya's aspect of Loneliness and the fear to have been forgotten by the very person she loved both leave a deep impression as well. Granted, Kimari has his own such aspect as well, namely the one of being an outcast, but it doesn't quite strike people as being as rough and tragical, at least that's what it seemed like to me. Or let's look at it from this perspective: Kimari, albeit being an outcast, always had his purpose defined clearly, and that was to look after Yuna. Freya, on the other hand, just had her search for her lost lover, which over time became more and more hopeless, leading to her being a bit cynical before she then met the party. If you ask me, she seems much more lonely and lost than Kimari, and let's face it: We people here all can relate to that more than we'd like to admit, can't we? MirrorshardSceada 12:59, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
@Setzer, I hope you're right that Auron will win. But to be quite honest, I still believe what game Freya's from will play a role. Not in a huge way when she goes up against Auron, but to some degree. Razordash15:55, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Week 222: Last Man Standing Round 23: Kefka v. AuronEdit

DissidiaKefkaArtwork
LMS Icon
Auron Art
CHAMPION
KEFKA PALAZZO
FINAL FANTASY VI
DEFEAT - 26½ to 28½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
AURON
FINAL FANTASY X
VICTORY - 26½ to 28½
In his next LMS match, Kefka takes on Auron. In this clash of spells versus sword, silly versus serious, who shall arise victorious?

Votes for KefkaEdit

  1. Again, I don't particularly care, but pre-empting anti-villain bias is a good thing. C A T U S E 05:18, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 05:28, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 05:34, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Now Kamikaze Pardee got me curious what it'd be like if Kefka was in a Kingdom Hearts... MirrorshardSceada 11:23, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Cooky560 (talk) 11:40, November 11, 2012 (UTC) Kefka purely because VI is 10000x better than X
  6. When it comes to Silly vs. Serious, I'll take Silly any day. Way too many serious people out there. King of Noobs 14:17, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. A worthy match...? "Now I can really go crazy!" - Kefka when low on HP, Dissidia 012. Dogurasu (talk) 14:44, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. As much as I like Auron, there's no one in FF as insane, powerful, or one-liner spewing as Kefka. Although, to be fair, I'll be pleased with either outcome to this fight. They're both cool in their own way.. --Time Master (talk) 17:14, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  Cecily Redwingslogo  04:02, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Had a hard time deciding on this one but I think I like Kefka marginally more. Still either way I will be happy with the outcome and doubt the winner will be easily topled. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 06:51, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Linkthoy (talk) 07:01, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Once again, because he's best villain.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 14:02, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  13. For longly worded reasons on why I think Kefka is one of the best villains of all time and certainly one of the best in the FF series, of not the best. Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:09, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  14. The Final Fantasy 21:51, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  15. whysosrspls 8bit 22:22, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  16. User:GenBolt F@#%! 3D! 03:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Crazy = great. -- Dissicon ff9 Kuj4 Flüstergras 16:26, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I really could vote either way, but since Kefka's losing, i'll just vote for him for the sake of balance SetzerLeonhart (talk) 00:14, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
  19. ScatheMote 12:19, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
  20. SidVI 12:38, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Sorry Auron, i just like Kefka more. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ115:06, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Rosenarm Brina-PSP-BattleSprite 19:31, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Axamin 22:12, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
  24. This guy was hilarious in DFF. MissH <3 05:34, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 68.147.226.87 08:50, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --114.79.61.152 10:46, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 79.26.255.172 08:48, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  4. 12.190.199.108 22:41, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
  5. 108.4.72.240 01:26, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for AuronEdit

  1. Yeah, Auron is leagues better than Kefka, really. Jimcloud 05:20, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Because I want to vote for the winner this time - BlitzballArtTidus357 05:25, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I would like to see Auron in another Kingdom Hearts game, please Nomura? < Kamikaze Pardee > 05:26, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Sir Auron, Legendary Guardian, for the win. May he avenge the downfall of fellow guardian Sir Jecht. SelkieMaiden267 05:33, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Shockstorm (talk) 05:38, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 11:20, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7.  Yunie X Dissicon ff10 Yun113:01, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. --ClixPsi (talk) 19:27, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I flipped a coin. CylindrusAltum (talk) 06:28 November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Don't know why, just have to go with Auron --Pzykosiz (talk) 00:06, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Cookies? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 02:16, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Bahamut knows best (talk) 03:26, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I CAN SWING MY SWORD, SWORD!!!!!!!!!!Squallisnotemo (talk) 08:23, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  14. My favourite FF character (but I also like Kefka).GoldenChocobo 17:06, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Definitely my favorite character --McBob49 (talk) 23:34, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  16. I was looking over his page and thinking what a ridiculous concept his character is, but he is a pretty cool guy. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:05, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  17. I'm guessing when you run out of Kefka quotes, you run out of votes. Razordash01:38, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  18. One word should completely justify my vote. That word is katana. Unsane (talk) 02:29, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  19. For Sir Jecht...for Garnet til Alexandros XVII...for Tifa Lockhart...may Sir Auron avenge all who fell in their quest to destroy the nihilist known as Kefka Palazzo. EdgarXTerra4ever 04:13, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Kefka is OK I guess? Auron is great though.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:33, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  21. With this fight, he'll avenge Garnet and start his way to become the next LMS champion. "This is it. This is your story. It all begins here" JC Holy Knight 00:31, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
  22. He looks so cool. --Leon95 18:15, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Cloudn 00:51, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
  24. The King of Armpits shall reign supreme. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 15:39, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
  25. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 19:29, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Hmm...A mad clown Nietzsche wannabe vs. The dude that even death couldn't keep down? Really guys? Of course I'm going to vote for Auron, because he is a BAMF of epic proportions. --Marael (talk) 16:03, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Love Auron so much! And I think it's time Kefka stood aside anyway. 175.38.209.209 05:53, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 108.175.240.142 17:44, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Would have liked to see Sephiroth be the one to cut Kefka to ribbons, but Auron can easily do the same, being another Masamune-wielder. Down with the infernal nuisance! 184.5.180.101 17:50, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. --71.106.216.128 05:24, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
  5. 108.172.211.7 05:12, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Personally, I think Kefka would fit right in for a Kingdom Hearts game. What other villain from Final Fantasy would make such a fine Disney villain? He's got the over-the-top personality (like Hades), the magic (like Ursula), the will to destroy (like Maleficent), the manipulative skills (like Jafar, Scar, or Dr. Facilier; if he doesn't appear to have them in Final Fantasy VI, he certainly does in Dissidia 012), the vanity (like the Evil Queen), the complete lack of scruples (like any of them)... Dogurasu (talk) 16:26, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Even if Kefka did somehow by a miracle get placed in KH, it would likely be a minor role, such as comic relief, or maybe even a super optional boss battle, but I doubt he'd get as much love as Sephiroth did. And I don't want to see Kefka playing a minor role, that's for sure. I'm sure a super optional boss fight against him would be fun, but I can't see that happening. And he's certainly not getting a major role in kingdom hearts. Razordash01:55, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I'm under no illusions concerning Kefka's popularity or future use. I'm simply stating that he wouldn't be completely out of place. I would settle for an optional boss fight, certainly, but he's just not the cash cow that Final Fantasy VII through Final Fantasy X are, especially VII. In any case, I'm pretty sure Auron will win here, between "vengeance" and "cool sword" and "anti-villain" and "anti-Kefka." That's just the way these things go sometimes! Dogurasu (talk) 02:27, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
You forgot "pure awesomeness"Squallisnotemo (talk) 07:56, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't forget it. I deliberately omitted an opinion I do not share. Auron isn't a bad character and doesn't deserve a lot of the flak he gets, but... I just don't see how he is "pure awesomeness," as you phrased it. Dogurasu (talk) 08:00, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah i'm not really being that serious, just giving my opinion in a light hearted way. Although being able to make a fire tornado with alchohol is pretty awesome you gotta say.Squallisnotemo (talk) 10:18, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
That always made me wonder wtf is in that bottle XD SetzerLeonhart (talk) 14:09, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
@Squall - I agree, using sake to summon dark spirits (Banishing Blade) or engulf a tornado in flame (Tornado) is rather cool. @Setzer - The Spiran script on the jug says "nog," which can be any sort of beverage; I just refer to sake as it's Japanese rice wine and Auron is designed as a ronin. Dogurasu (talk) 15:53, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think Auron is a pretty shallow character, as he is mostly just a plot device and doesn't have many things (anything?) outside of something to directly to advance the plot. Like for 10 years Auron watched over Tidus in Dream Zanarkand but never once told him what happened to Jecht, prepared him about coming to Spira, taught him to fight with a sword, even if he planned Tidus would somehow battle Sin. This is of course because Tidus needs to be a newbie in Spira so the player can learn alongside with him, but it makes little sense from Auron's pov, especially when he has already witnessed how much in trouble Jecht got in Spira for not knowing anything about it. Everything about him is a bit like that. His little clues about the truth behind Sin act as something to drive the player, but from in-lore pov it just looks like he is messing with Tidus's head on purpose and no reason is given for this. Then in the end Yuna says "you knew this would happen, wouldn't you" and Auron says "if you had known would that have stopped you from coming?" WELL YES ACTUALLY. Like thanks for nothing. Outside of being a plot device he is "mysterious and strong" and that's about it...Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:03, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

But he has sunglasses. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:49, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
That's a very compelling point. :D The dark glasses crew: Cloud in AC, Al-Cid and Auron.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 19:24, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
To be fair Kefka's pretty lame as well. He's a mental clown/deranged god who wants to kill everyone. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because kids aren't afraid of clowns and deranged gods who want to kill everyone haven't been done before. C A T U S E 20:23, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
If we're going down that road, you can easily find something overused/lame about any character in the series, so yeah... I don't think this will lead us far. I for one find Kelt's point interesting, as I haven't thought about it that way yet. But she is right... Auron must seem like a huge troll to everyone in Spira with how he's acting. MirrorshardSceada 21:29, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
This comment is indeed interesting, and even though I think he is really cool in FFX, I (and many others I suppose) thought that they would make a game that could "explain" him a bit more, showing Braska's pilgrimage... instead they gave us FFX-2 (sigh). JC Holy Knight 01:04, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
The way I see it Auron has two goals in FFX and he does terrible job in accomplishing both of them, but things miraculously work out for him because it's a game and things need to happen like that. Auron wants to honour Jecht's wish to bring Tidus to Spira, and he wants to kill Yunalesca. His way about doing the first one is to spend 0 time preparing Tidus and then one day just take him. Tidus could have died a million times before ending up in Besaid as he has no idea what he's doing or where he is, and probably could have been thrown to prison or something for breaching the temple grounds, but luckily it all works out. After Auron threw Tidus to Sin's maw is like, well that's that done, first mission accomplished, or what. XP
His second goal is to kill Yunalesca which could explain why he doesn't tell anyone about the truth of the Final Aeon lest they decide to rethink the pilgrimage (which makes him a bit of a dick really), but then he doesn't seem to do anything to make this happen other than just goes with you to Zanarkand. What if Yuna had just gone with the Final Aeon plan, then what? Or what if Yunalesca had said, oh, you don't want to do the Final Summoning? Well get out of here then. Yunalesca is the instigator to the events that lead to her death, Auron is just there. Guess he just knew it'd happen like that huh. :PKeltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:58, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
"I am the troublemaker, after all." (Auron, Final Fantasy X). He warned us in-game about his role, so we can't complain about it, lol ;). JC Holy Knight 19:00, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Week 221: Auron v. SephirothEdit

AuronKH2
DNC Versus
SephirothKH2Cropped
VICTOR
Auron
29 to 14½
A character that has died but just refuses to stay dead. He tends to be very divisive. His proponents claim that he is a deep character with a tearjerking, emotional backstory that continues to fight on despite the disturbing revelations he's had. His detractors feel that he's all posture and no substance, and find that the character doesn't match up to all the praise he gets in the game. Which one am I talking about? VICTOR
Auron
29 to 14½

Votes for AuronEdit

  1. I really hate the king of the white haired pretty boys these days. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:56, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  2. He's so badass he doesn't even need to finish getting dressed to fight.Squallisnotemo (talk) 09:21, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  3. That speech he says before fighting Yunalesca is highly inspiring to me. Mog FF6 Yunie  X  10:44, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  4. No contest. Emperor-PSPFieldMATEUS 10:46, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I saw both Auron and Sephiroth at Distant Worlds. Auron gets my vote for the sheer hilarity of the guy dressed as him pulling off his wig to reveal himself to be bald underneath. Cannot...unsee... Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 10:48, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I've never really liked VII all that much but X introduced me to the series (even though at the time we were only 6 months from the release of XIII). Besides Auron is just so lovable.Bahamut knows best (talk) 11:33, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Other than Sephiroth, Auron is not overused by now. I mean, come on, how many more games do they want to put Momma's boy in? It's ridiculous. MirrorshardSceada 12:22, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Auron rocks! SetzerLeonhart (talk) 13:40, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Why not? King of Noobs 14:13, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  10. I tried to vote for Sephiroth, I really did... and yet, I couldn't bring myself to think of any reason for it, nor any reason to vote against Auron. Ah well, perhaps another time... Dogurasu (talk) 14:39, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  11. C A T U S E 14:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  12. If the next challenger to stand against Kefka must wield a Masamune, I prefer that said Masamune be a "Holy Sword of Smiting" as opposed to a "Dark Sword of Smiting," if you know what I mean. Maybe it really does take a Legendary Guardian to defeat an insane harlequin. EdgarXTerra4ever 17:21, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I had to think about my decision much more than the last fight. I'm going with Auron because FFX was my first FF game, Sephiroth's appearance in many a Square Enix game is starting to wear on me, and seeing Auron's pic for this fight reminded me of how awesome he was in KH2. Also, his epic speech before fighting Yunalesca is burned into my mind, after hearing it 10,000 times because I kept getting killed by Yunalesca. There is no such speech by Sephiroth before fighting him for the final time. --Time Master (talk) 19:25, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  14. -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  15. --ClixPsi (talk) 21:45, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  16. No contest. - BlitzballArtTidus357 21:58, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  17. "Now there's a scene for posterity" --Pzykosiz (talk) 00:12, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Bushido FTW!!Ehehe...--Nur Fadzila (talk) 01:37, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  19. "I foresee no difficulty." Mierna 01:58, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  20. This one's hard to choose because I absolutely love both of these great warriors. I'm voting for Sir Auron, though! Free bird (talk) 03:42, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  21. I can haz cheezburger? Marauder 09 I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang. 04:34, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Yeah Auron is probably the badest character in the series. I am not a serphiroth hater and actually would love to see a Sephiroth vs. Kefka duel but can't bring myself to vote against Auron. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 05:58, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Ha don't really need to think about this one. JuriSuzukiDissicon ff8 Squ119:04, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Like sephiroth, auron won't stay dead- only difference is that when he comes back, he kicks far more ass McBob49 (talk) 23:58, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
  25. He's been knighted. Don't know by who though... CylindrusAltum (talk) 06:53, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
  26. He is one of the characters I can't vote against, my cousin always says that I am very similar to him. Also agree with Yunie's comment. JC Holy Knight 00:03, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
  27.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 14:38, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Good triumphs over evil! Sorry Sephy, go cry to your mother.
  2. Respect your elders Mr. Sephy.124.197.37.211 10:05, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 108.175.240.142 18:24, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  4. 180.194.251.196 15:19, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for SephirothEdit

  1. Okay yeah who am I kidding this battle is pretty much a foregone conclusion, but this vote is my will to fight the inevitable! Jimcloud 07:51, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I've always liked Sephiroth, never going to be swayed otherwise.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 09:31, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  3. SEPHIROTH!! Man Distant Worlds was awesome.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 13:19, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I actually want to see Kefka v. Sephiroth here at the DNC, for the comments! SidVI 13:39, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Indifferent about Sephiroth but really don't like Auron at all.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:55, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  6.  Cecily Redwingslogo  16:09, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Pity vote. Plus, One-Winged Angel is awesome.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 17:33, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Because the Sephy haters need to move on, XIII has far and away replaced VII as the series cash cow. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:36, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I like both characters, but favor Sephiroth. Allso think that in a battle, Auron would lose anyday The Rood Inverse (talk)
  10. sympathy vote Cloudn 21:35, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I'm voting for him because regardless of other games I only think of the Sephiroth from VII. Also the fact that he is popular shouldn't be used as a negative description of him, i never really got that. --NeoExdeath (talk) 21:50, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Sephiroth is a beast Onechord (talk) 13:30, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I only just learned that KH Sephiroth is Lance Bass and I can't stop laughing. --Leon95 17:18, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 114.79.49.149 13:06, November 5, 2012 (UTC) He has one wing!
  2. Embrace the Darkness! 184.5.180.101 17:25, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 108.4.72.240 16:39, November 10, 2012 (UTC) He will never be a memory!

Peanut GalleryEdit

THIS FIGHT WAS PUT UP A FULL NINE MINUTES BEFORE MIDNIGHT ON THE WEST COAST OKAY Jimcloud 07:51, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Chill, my man, real life crap happens. It gets precedence over everything else. Though I have to ask why you put up something that, though it doesn't look it now, will prolly end in a massive landslide for you-know-who... King of Noobs 14:12, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
I don't have a lot of options, really, if you'll look at the nomination page you can see that. It was either going to be Golbez vs. Jecht or this, and this is what I decided on. If you'd like to see something else, I suggest you give me more options. Jimcloud 17:30, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: and by you-know-who, you mean Auron, right? Because Sephiroth has such an incredibly massive hatedom on this wiki there was no way this match was going to end any other way, really. Jimcloud 19:54, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
No Golbez v. Jecht? Darn. I would've liked to see Jecht demand a rematch against Kefka. (He'd probably wind up getting his ass kicked again, though.)
Also @Noobking: Were you predicting that landslide to be in favor of Sephiroth? Because that's what some of my supporters were thinking when I suggested Auron v. Sephiroth on the Nominations Page, and they clearly wound up being wrong, as evidenced by the current 2 Auron votes for every Sephiroth vote, give or take. (I was hoping they'd be a bit more evenly matched myself...) SelkieMaiden267 02:37, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
Well... but he's Auron. You can't really expect people to beat Auron. C A T U S E 16:06, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Amazing you're being open about being up at 3 in the morning, because, y'know, him. :P It does explain why I didn't see a DNC match last night, I went to bed an hour before you put it up. C A T U S E 14:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
He already knew -_- not to mention timestamps and history makes it blatantly obvious anyways. Jimcloud 17:34, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean by "because, y'know, him"? I'm confuzzled. 184.5.180.101 19:00, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
He means me, due to reasons that are so incredibly secret that they aren't secret.
(Shhh!) -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:37, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Oops. Didn't totally realized the Sorceror still checks RC. C A T U S E 16:06, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
I don't check the RC that much (though I probably should, mod an' all), but I certainly do check my watchlist. Though in fairness I might not have noticed; I doubt I would have specifically checked. Well, might not have noticed were it not for a great huge all-caps admission of the time up at the top of the peanut gallery ; ) -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 18:52, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Dark blue is bad and unreadable. 79.69.194.35 14:56, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, well, it was originally a shade darker, so it is at the very least better, if not good. I will consider finding a better one. Jimcloud 17:30, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Satisfactory? Jimcloud 17:34, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Better *thumbs up*Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:56, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Dat is good thanks. :) 79.69.194.35 18:02, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
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