Week 220: Last Man Standing Round 22: Kefka v. Tifa[]
CHAMPION KEFKA PALAZZO FINAL FANTASY VI VICTORY - 24½ to 18½ |
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CHALLENGER TIFA LOCKHEART FINAL FANTASY VII DEFEAT - 24½ to 18½ | |||
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The Last Man Standing Championship has been proven to be quite difficult to hold onto in these past weeks, with two champions being defeated in their first round. Will Kefka share that same fate, or will Tifa stand no match for him? Who will be the Last Man Standing? | |||||
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Peanut Gallery[]Wonder how long it'll take for you guys to run out of Kefka quotes ;) MATEUS 11:40, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
@E&T: Been working on your formal language in the hopes of sounding like Edgar for the next fight or two (or maybe more), haven't you? ;) SelkieMaiden267 22:56, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
I have a very good theory*: people like overthrows. Look at the champions: Kuja and Garland, Kefka (possibly, he is winning right now) and Gestahl, and Cecil...well, he sort of overthrew his dark side at Mt. Ordeals. in fact, maybe it is very stupid at allJC Holy Knight 00:35, October 31, 2012 (UTC) |
Week 219: Tifa Lockhart v. Wakka[]
VICTOR Tifa 31 - 10½ |
This week, we have a clash between two characters who apparently like bucking the system and taking a chance. When it comes to their respective ultimate attacks, both Tifa and Wakka have Slots or Reels, despite not having any similarities to the Gambler job class by default. Who will risk it all and come out on top? | VICTOR Tifa 31 - 10½ | |||
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I think Wakka is maybe the best character in FFX. I like the whole racism aspect. How it is usually portrayed in games is very one-dimensional, like someone wants to wipe out a race because they deem them inferior (and because they are just one-dimensionally evil) and you the player fight against this injustice. This makes the player feel like the good guy and "I'm not racist, I'm a hero" when in reality everyone has capacity to be racist. To make a player character believably racist was a bold move. Wakka's not evil but blames the Al Bhed for his brother's death, and justifies his hatred by using the religion. He wasn't so much brainwashed as that he wants to find a reason to hate the Al Bhed, because he wants a scapegoat to his brother's death. He doesn't want to face the fact that it was Chappu's own decision to go with the whole thing and it wasn't anybody's fault but perhaps his own that he died. That other people like Lulu just go with the whole thing without confronting him I think is just as bad really. Like it's really weird they want to hide that Rikku and Yuna are Al Bhed or part Al Bhed. Like what do they think he's gonna do? That's just legitimising his bigot views. But I'm a huge Tifa fan. I wanted to be Tifa when I first played FF7 as a kid. Gooo Tifa.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:25, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
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Week 218: Last Man Standing Round 21:Garnet v. Kefka[]
CHAMPION GARNET TIL ALEXANDROS XVII FINAL FANTASY IX DEFEAT - 23½ to 27 |
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CHALLENGER KEFKA PALAZZO FINAL FANTASY VI VICTOR - 23½ to 27 | |||
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Our newest defending champion faces a strong competitor as the World of Balance's favorite insane clown takes the stage. Does the White Mage of Alexandria have what it takes to defend her kingdom and crown? Or will the crazy Black Mage put another kingdom's notch under his belt? Who will be the last man standing? | |||||
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Peanut Gallery[]Well, I see Garnet being on the front page isn't tarnishing the votes any. Hehehe... King of Noobs 03:48, October 15, 2012 (UTC) Not doing it. Just...not. I don't want to perpetuate another war, which is what I'll wind up doing if I cast a vote in either direction. SelkieMaiden267 23:04, October 16, 2012 (UTC) |
Week 217: Kefka v. Jecht[]
VICTOR Kefka 26½ to 21½ |
This time, two final bosses go head to head. So then, which kind of antagonist is superior, the remorseless and unforgivable mad clown, or the brutish and arrogant father who has a nice side hidden within? It's up for you to decide! | VICTOR Kefka 26½ to 21½ | |||
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Peanut Gallery[]Alright, what happened there. My vote is F'd up lol. Can someone fix that?--UntoldSarcasm (talk) 05:40, October 8, 2012 (UTC) I find it difficult to define Jecht as a villain here. It probably swayed my vote a bit, but since I believe Jecht at least broke out of a sort of mental state, it makes me less inclined to think that he is an actual "villain". Misguided maybe. Luacas (talk) 11:45, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
Alternatively people could vote for Jecht because he's cool rather than bash him for not being evil enoughSquallisnotemo (talk) 22:44, October 8, 2012 (UTC) @Catuse: Otherworld by no means beats out Dancing Mad, but to say that it's one of the worst songs ever is just not right. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:50, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
So it looks as if Garnet will be facing Kefka in the next LMS battle. And frankly, I'm awful worried on her account, because Kefka sure did become one powerful son of a submariner to reckon with. My prayer is the same, all things considered, as that of the Returners before their final battle: I pray that we checkmate our enemy, preferably without sacrificing our queen. (Not an actual FFVI reference; I saw that in a fanfic where Celes and Cyan were playing chess on the airship-ride to Kefka's tower, and Edgar, aware that the battle might cost Terra her life win-or-lose, made a statement to that effect.) EdgarXTerra4ever 02:17, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Week 216: Last Man Standing Round 20: Al-Cid Margrace v. Garnet[]
CHAMPION AL-CID Margrace FINAL FANTASY XII DEFEAT - 30 to 26 |
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CHALLENGER GARNET Til Alexandros FINAL FANTASY IX VICTOR - 30 to 26 | |||
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The prince faces off against the princess in this week's LMS clash. For the third match in a row, a Final Fantasy IX character seeks to win the title, but can Al-Cid keep his crown? | |||||
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Peanut Gallery[]That's interesting, Al-Cid takes an early lead --Pzykosiz (talk) 07:54, September 30, 2012 (UTC) Comments like these were to be expected, but I'm calling them out anyways.
Just...so much ignorance packed into such a little sentence. Is this implying only main characters only have redeeming qualities? Only playable characters are worthwhile? Not even looking at the current match-up, but as NPC versus PC. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:24, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
Wow thanks Bahamut for actually understanding what I was getting across. From one fellow FFXII fan to another, Al-Cid was a waste of space compared to Garnet's role in FFIX. But it's surprising how many can ACTUALLY disagree with that, hence why this matchup is still competitive for some stupid reason.--Adelbert (talk) 01:57, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
(semi-relevant) I read an interesting fan-theory once about how FFXII was based on the Cold War. Rozarria is the United States/NATO, Archadia is the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact, and the countries they fight over are various countries that got into a proxy war because of the struggle for communism. Manufacted nethecite is the H-Bomb, obviously. Of course, no magical cataract pharos thingies were discovered during the actual Cold War :3 C A T U S E 02:01, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
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Week 215: Aerith v. Garnet[]
VICTOR Garnet 24 to 30 |
Two young White Mage women in touch with mystical forces, taken away from their parents at a young age and raised by another. Both of them fall in love with the protagonist. Both of them are involved in a love triangle. Both of them have sparked edit wars on the Wiki over their name. Pretty similar, if you ask me. | VICTOR Garnet 24 to 30 | |||
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Peanut Gallery[]By the way, as a note, I would have used an FF7 picture for Aeri(s/th), but when I saw this fight I thought of these two posing near-identically and I could put no other picture in place. And about the love triangle comment, yes, I meant Eiko. I went there. Jimcloud 03:46, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter who wins this match-up as far as Last Man Standing goes I think either of these two will trounce Al-Cid and yes I did vote for Al-Cid last time. --Ffgamesftw (talk) 20:15, September 24, 2012 (UTC) @Anon: The thing about Limit Breaks is that they require time to build up. Additionally, Seal Evil could be defeated by Loudmouth, and Planet Protector lasts only so long. Aerith would be dead before Garnet would need to worry about either. Except, y'know, Aerith's already dead... Dogurasu (talk) 11:04, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
There are few things that disgust me more than people who decry Aerith because she died. I wonder if they think of other characters that way, and I pray they don't talk of real people like that. Doreiku Kuroofangu 17:05, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Aerith's death I must actually admit didn't touch my heart when I first saw it. I was still a kid mostly when I was playing Final Fantasy 7. At the time all I cared about was advancing, getting stronger, and winning chocobo races. Also one last thing... Back then, one of my friends told me that it was possible to revive Aerith and have her on your team once again, and that he even had proof of it. Giving me all the details on how to bring her back alive (I was sadly gullible enough to believe it). That probably had some contribution to me not caring much at first for her Death. Razordash01:54, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/059/7/f/no_peeking__aerith_by_neoslashott-d3an1td.png Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:30, September 28, 2012 (UTC) |
Week 214: Last Man Standing Round 19: Al-Cid Margrace v. Blank[]
CHALLENGER AL-CID Margrace FINAL FANTASY XII VICTOR - 21 to 15 |
LAST MAN STANDING |
CHALLENGER BLANK FINAL FANTASY IX DEFEAT - 21 to 15 | |||
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With Kuja becoming the second champion of the Last Man Standing, two new randomly selected fighters take the stage. Will Al-Cid charm his way to the top, or will the Tantulus thief steal the crown? Who will be the Last Man Standing? | |||||
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Peanut Gallery[]You know, these two characters are similar enough that you'd never guess Scathe created this fight using GFSacred's bull roll command. C A T U S E 22:55, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
In Al-Cid's little screen time in XII, I don't think he came off as that likable of a character. In fact, I don't understand him at all. From my experience on the wiki I first thought they added him as a reference to TA2... which I've only just discovered came out after XII.
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Week 213: Bahamut SIN v. Bahamut Fury[]
VICTOR Bahamut Fury 31½ - 8 |
Alright, alright, we get it; you guys like Kuja. Here, have some Bahamuts. Get at it. | VICTOR Bahamut Fury 31½ - 8 | |||
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Peanut Gallery[]Complete, utter landslide. Biggest one I've seen in a while. EpicCarbunkl 03:56, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
I am of the personal mindset that the original is a good enough Bahamut. Why so many evolutions? Is he becoming a Digimon? Dogurasu (talk) 13:59, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
@Time Master: Blowing planets up is indeed awesome. Oooh! Come to think of it, there's someone else who does that, IIRC. I'm sure you'll like them too. Lessee, what was it... Kuja, I think his name was? Yeah, Kuja. Totally awesome, blows up planets and doesn't afraid of anyflare -- Sorceror Nobody 16:10, September 10, 2012 (UTC)\ @SN: Just because Fury and Kuja have something in common, does not mean I like one over the other for that attribute exclusively. I do not wish to restart any old conflicts regarding Kuja, as they should remain in the week they were posted. I will not allow your smart-aleck remarks to incite me into flammatory action over a resolved fight. If you were trolling, it did not work; so let's just focus on this week, okay? --Time Master (talk) 18:19, September 10, 2012 (UTC) @ Time Master: I'm fairly sure SN is just pulling your strings for some hoohaa, I don't believe there was any ill intentions. In any case, the Kuja debate won't likely end anytime soon since that's pretty much who we're placing everyone against. @ SN: Yea, it didn't matter which bahamut won, Kuja without a doubt had a solution for either one. Might as well crown Kuja here and now. Maybe we should of brought Terra to give Kuja a real challenge? Or even bring back... the forbidin one... Vivi. Kuja is in need of worthy challengers at this point. Razordash02:42, September 12, 2012 (UTC) |
Week 212: Last Man Standing Round 18: Kuja v. Gabranth[]
DEFENDING CHAMPION KUJA FINAL FANTASY IX VICTOR - 26½ to 19½ |
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CHALLENGER GABRANTH FINAL FANTASY XII DEFEAT - 26½ to 19½ | |||
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Peanut Gallery[]Arg, this is so hard. I'm trying to not let Kuja's last time in LMS bias me. He's still an amazing villain from my favorite game, but I really love Gabranth in the Pharos scene. And his voice is teh win. Maybe if I actually played XII instead of watching cutscenes my choice would be more clear... 8bit 20:51, September 2, 2012 (UTC) Sadly, it seems that Kuja will become the 2nd LMS champion; although I still cannot fathom where the rush of support that appears to sustain him through the end comes from. It truly baffles me why he is so popular, despite having myself and many others strongly dislike him for a myriad of well supported reasons. Regardless, with his likely victory, the DNC fights will be freed of the oppressive and undeserving scourge that is known as Kuja. Thus, the DNC shall wipe that disgraceful blot from the pages of future conflicts in LMS; and a new period of better (non-kuja) fights shall begin. --Time Master (talk) 00:14, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
God damn this was a hard one to pick. Both did a complete 180 to help you at the end, both were brothers of the main characters, both were the second last boss of the games. this type of connection should of put them in the DNC already --Pzykosiz (talk) 00:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC) Gooo Kuja. Doesn't look like he will even need my vote. I like Gabranth too, but can't get a good picture of him as a character. Could be interesting to know more background and more about his relationship with Basch.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 01:32, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
@Mateus: I have played FFIX all the way through to the end, multiple times. See my previous posts on the DNC for proof. I've witnessed Kuja's first appearance in Burmecia at the end of disc 1, just before the main party gets the crap kicked out of them by Beatrix. I've seen Kuja's rise to power by inciting war with Mist and Black Mages, as well as gaining the control of Eidolons with the Invincible to eventually get back at Garland, and prove his superiority to Zidane. After pivotal events such as the capture at the Desert Palace, and the failed Eidolon extraction at Mt. Gulug, Kuja is faced on his home planet of Terra, where he kills Garland, achieves Trance, and proceeds to blow up the planet. Back on Gaia, he is eventually met and defeated at Crystal World, where he aids the party after Necron's defeat. Zidane goes back for him in the Iifa Tree, but Kuja appears to die, regretting his previous actions. In short, I know Kuja quite well after dealing with him across four discs. my opinion is based off of FF9, and not Dissida, as no one is that game is accurately portrayed. I rarely argue so strongly on something that is just a game, but there are just a few characters that I regard with absolute hatred and derision for many previously stated reasons. --Time Master (talk) 19:53, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
"Kuja was also too weak to muster any physical attacks at all" Yeah, he was just physically strong enough to take a damn mega flare in the face and that could only make him bleed abit. I like both characters, but I won't bother to go in the detail why. Generally FF villains aren't anything special compared to other villains out there. But what makes them so good is how simple they are: they are driven by simple human desires, they want to be powerful, they want to prove themselves superior, stuff like that, they're not made of super-deep motives like Irenikus or something. ZaFlareStar 17:54, 4th September 2012 (GMT+3) Looks like there was a pretty heated debate. I must admit that I never imagined Kuja being this populer, While I don't personally hate Kuja, he's also not someone I exceptionally love like Kefka or Sephiroth. But I'm not sure if I go over the top to dis a character bunch of other people like. Yea, it gets annoying when one character gets more praise than he probably should, but I'm not going to hold it over the character himself. I remember when everyone praised Cloud and Squall, even for someone like me who loved Cloud, hearing constant praises of him tends to get annoying, it's like you know... there are other characters out there. Sorry... not trying to make the fire any bigger, just putting my own feelings out there. Razordash05:48, September 9, 2012 (UTC) |
Week 211: Seifer v. Gabranth[]
VICTOR Gabranth 25½ to 27½ |
This week, the two infamous traitors face off. While their actions are often cruel and seemingly unforgivable, underneath their façades are kind souls.
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VICTOR Gabranth 25½ to 27½ | |||
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Peanut Gallery[]Is it just me or does anyone else agree that the two HOTTEST FF characters just went head to head in this Arena? For that reason alone I'm abstaining. God help whoever loses. =;( --Adelbert (talk) 21:53, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
@Pzykosiz: Could be wrong, but in the ending cutscene it seems as though Seifer has made peace with the heroes, when he looks up at Garden and smiles. That's the vibe I got, anyhow. Though it doesn't exactly explain why Galbadia let a war criminal off the hook... MATEUS 06:10, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
Well, son of a submariner. Seems I can't vote at all in this fight...both Seifer and Gabranth are decidedly unsavory characters. EdgarXTerra4ever 17:34, August 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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