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Week 200 Special[edit source]

TacticAngel's Choice: Red v. Blue[edit source]

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VICTOR
Blue Mage
19 to 13
Our friendly neighborhood bureaucrat TA sadly did not have the time to make his own fight for this week, and so I will leave this space blank for him to fill, should he so choose. What drove him to pick this fight? I don't know, but I do like it, so let's have a good round of voting, shall we? VICTOR
Blue Mage
19 to 13

Votes for Red[edit source]

  1.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:28, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Jack of all trades, master of none.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:50, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi 02:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Terra Branford belongs here in the class of Red Mages, and she kicks ass. Need I say more? SelkieMaiden267 02:25, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. It's the hat.Keltainentoukokuu 02:35, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. "For +3 endurance, I'd wear my own underwear over my armor" --Pzykosiz 04:40, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Blue magic is just SO frustratingly difficult to get (with the exception of Kimahri).--Kierandell1409 08:39, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. While I like Blue Magic, there is something positive to be said about a character that can so seamlessly blend swordplay and magic without being an outright Mystic Knight. Dogurasu 11:21, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Both are awesome, but dualcast beats doing nothing while waiting for the stupid monster to do the right attack --CarloGrimaldi 15:35, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  10. This is a vote for defeating dinosaurs using logic! Also, I never really got all that warm with Blue Magic users... MirrorshardSceada 20:18, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I've always liked Red Mages and their dualcast and versatility, and I always disliked waiting to get hit with a monster ability to learn an occasionally useful spell. Plus, some of the characters I despise were Blue Mages. (I'm looking at you Quina!) --Time Master 04:26, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  12. ^What Kamikaze Pardee says.—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 15:04, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Slick stylin' mother hubbards. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:14, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Blue[edit source]

  1. Red Mages look nattier, but Blue Mages are cooler -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:15, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I love this one, and its VERY tough to decide 'cuz honestly, they are both my all-time favorite FF character classes! I'm only voting for the Blue Mage 'cuz Blue Magic is my favorite FF ability. Free bird 00:56, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. "Votes for Blue". Hmm... BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Blue Mages are more useful.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 01:40, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. There's just somethin' about Blue Magic that's always appealed to me. Pity it's not in more games. King of 04:26, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:56, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. First off, colour blue is my favourite and i prefer this attire design compared to the red. Second, even though im not that much of a fan of the blue and red mages i have always found Blue mages to help me more than Red.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 10:56, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Blue Mages are awesome.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:10, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Learning Blue Magic is usually quite fun in most games. Plus, it's closer to turquoise, my favourite colour. Miyuron 13:32, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Bad [censored] Breath.C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Blue team is my favorite in RVB so why not --[[User:Squall 2.0|Squall2.0]] 17:00, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  12. X ruined the fun by blatantly stating which enemies had Blue Magic when you scanned them, but compared to Red Mages, who are mediocre at the best of times, my vote goes here. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 15:01, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Mighty Guard, White Wind, etc. What more do you want? User:MrSpiffy71810 15:52, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  14. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 12:09, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  15. SetzerLeonhart 14:21, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  16. These guys are essentially the Megaman of the Final Fantasy World. While that meaning truly comes from the Necromancer, Blue Mages have always taken the role of being some of the best mages in game for spells that are unique and useful from enemies. Take a majority of great spells from every game and you have a powerhouse of lethal and helpful spells. Also, remember FFVII? If you play your cards right you can beat the game with little use from Magic Materia alone. Mask no Oni 00:29, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Red is my favorite color, but we're voting for mage types, not favorite colors. And the blue mage rocks - I love using some of these spells, particularly Mighty Guard and Level Death and some of the unique attack times. Red Mage class? Never cared much for it. ProfessorTofty 18:03, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Blue, as I have read, can learn enemy combat techniques compared to the red mage, who, despite being able to learn all of the techniques and spells, can only learn them to a moderate level. --Lozkaz 06:06, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Well, let's be honest. In I and III, red mages aren't exactly great. Especially in I, where you can only have, what, three spells per level of spells? And in some other games, you have to spend a while running around in circles and getting lucky to get the blue magic. I'm voting for Strago. --71.181.59.47 10:31, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 200.122.253.165 23:02, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Okay, explaining how this went. Basically, each of us on the committee chose one fight in the archives that we liked to get a redo here for our 200th fight(s). Ideally, these were all supposed to be ready for me to put on the page today, with a little speechy thing about why we picked our fights, but only DSS made his but I can improvise. To round things out, we've also done a fifth fight, this week's LMS battle. Have fun, guys :D Jimcloud 22:12, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Added my note now; sorry about that. You basically had the gist of what I was going to say, so that's good. :D ScatheMote 22:23, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Deadlyslashsword's Choice: Freya Crescent v. Fran[edit source]

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VICTOR
Freya Crescent
17 to 13½
I had a tough time picking one fight, but I'm fairly happy with this choice. Freya and Fran play very similar roles in their respective games; both fairly quiet and quick-minded, coming from tribes of animalistic/humanoid people. Both left their very inclusive homelands in search of a greater calling, eventually helping their respective protagonists overthrow great evils. Also, in my personal opinion, both are quite underrated.
VICTOR
Freya Crescent
17 to 13½

Votes for Freya[edit source]

  1. She's actually an interesting character and a useful party member -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:15, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:29, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Most things < Freya. Everything < Dat image. JBed 22:56, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Both are not as developed as well as they ought to be be, but Freya is developed more. Yes Fran is hot, but if there's one thing FF has an abundance of, it's beautiful women. Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:55, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. --ClixPsi 02:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. One of the few characters throughout ALL Final Fantasy games that I try to have in my party at all times. Go rat lady! King of 04:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. This shouldn't even be a competition :P MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 08:01, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. CardboardBoxMan 09:42, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Freya's story had a far more appeal to me over Fran.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 10:52, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Freya Crescent feels more developed all around - story, character, abilities, even her race is given strong background. And she's a dragoon. Dogurasu 11:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I personally liked her a fair bit.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:11, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  12. While I like Fran, I think they overdid the fan-service with her. So my vote goes to the awesome lady dragoon! Miyuron 13:30, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I'm playing XII right now, but Freya was always a VIP on my IX team. She's just too overpowered.C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Emo Dragoon is emo. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:46, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Because I honestly can understand why she considers to be forgotten the worst fate in the world MirrorshardSceada 20:19, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  16. MrSpiffy71810 16:31, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  17. An interesting character, even if somewhat underdeveloped.. Fran is fan service without much else to offer... SetzerLeonhart 04:18, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Fran[edit source]

  1. Dat ass/accent. Plus I know more about Fran.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:51, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I've nevar played IX. I know that's a bad reason, but it's true. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:11, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Fran's hotter! And Freya's from IX. So...  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 01:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Fran's just better.Keltainentoukokuu 02:36, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Fran can be used as anything, Freya can only be a dragoon --Pzykosiz 04:42, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:53, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Fran was in my main party for the most part in XII, and I always used Steiner instead of Freya in IX.--Time Master 04:32, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Diamond Dust! Shatterheart! オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 12:12, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  9. ^Dat. Plus, Shiva vibe.—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 15:05, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Ivalice always will come out on top for me. Those who say Fran's all fanservice can't look beyond her great ass (I don't blame you though, it is great). - +DeadlySlashSword+
  11. I know she was under the influence of mist at the time, but anyone who breaks out of their handcuffs to tear apart the guards has my vote.--Kierandell1409 04:04, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Frantastic Bruntie2 19:28, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I only know Fran, so I'll vote for her. Her English voice is the best. --Lozkaz 06:08, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 200.122.253.165 23:03, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

ScatheMote's Choice: Reno v. Rude[edit source]

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VICTOR
Reno
13½ to 12
This fight was the very first edit I ever made to the site (well, technically I made a userpage stating that I was too lazy to make a userpage). I followed the DNC for awhile beforehand, but this fight stood out enough for me to vote in. I was always a big fan of FFVII, and the Turks were always entertaining characters for me. And after joining just for the sake of voting in this fight and languishing around the forums for awhile, I noticed that I wanted to help out with the content of the wiki. This fight was the stepping stone into my joining of this wiki. VICTOR
Reno
13½ to 12

Votes for Reno[edit source]

  1. Got it memo- wait, no, that's not right -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:15, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:30, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:51, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  4. "I guess today, we're clocking out early."  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 01:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. There's just somethin' about him... King of 04:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Just for the hairstyle --Pzykosiz 04:45, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I like his style. And his weapon. Nobody else can pull off wielding a cattle prod and still seem as "normal" as Reno. Dogurasu 11:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. "Yeah, your mom's cool. Wait, what am I saying?!" Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:48, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  10. He gave the inspiration for one of the best characters out there, so yeah MirrorshardSceada 20:22, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  11. SetzerLeonhart 04:16, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  12. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 12:12, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  13. How does he get away with leaving his shirt untucked all the time? I thought the Turks had standards. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:16, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 200.122.253.165 23:03, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Rude[edit source]

  1. Quick! Someone think of a quote spoken by the Rock to counter SN's vote! BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:08, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Because the "extended canon" hasn't completed ruined him. --ClixPsi 02:11, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. ...Keltainentoukokuu 02:37, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:51, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. When they tried to make Reno some kind of laid-back joke in Advent Children, I sort of stopped liking him... MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 07:59, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Tetraninja321 08:28, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. @Tidus: Can you smeeeeeeeel!?, What Rude?....Is cooking (cue the rock's theme).Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 10:49, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. He has a code of honor right there in his AI (and it's still tough to beat him!) Just check it if you don't believe me.C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. MrSpiffy71810 16:26, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Both are good characters, but I feel that Rude has a slight edge, for his seriousness and always carrying an extra pair of sunglasses to keep his eyes covered. --Time Master 04:39, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Reno: "This thing got any bite to it?" Rude: "Shinra technology at its finest" Reno: "Ah, so you made this". As you can see, Reno has admitted Rude is better than him.--Kierandell1409 03:57, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Rude just looks bad-ass. 'Nough said. --Lozkaz 06:09, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I thank you, ScatheMote, for having such a great fight. I actually have a Reno wallpaper now, as Reno is FTW. But, I stopped and thought. What is so great about him? That he fails over and over in the movie? Then eventually "succeeds" by blowing up a bomb? Meh. Rude, however, is amusing through all his appearances. "....." and the fact that he has a crush on Tifa. I mean, why? Yeah, I'm gunna shut up now - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:16, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

To Tidus - "That jabronie Reno needs to learn his role". Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:56, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Jimcloud's Choice: Moogle v. Chocobo[edit source]

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VICTOR
Chocobo
13½ to 17½
For my own fight, I took a look at the list, and this fight immediately stood out to me. Well, okay, no, Cactuar v. Tonberry immediately stood out to me, but within that same periphery was Moogle v. Chocobo, and when I noticed it, I immediately seized the idea. Moogle versus Chocobo was the first fight of my own (now defunct) arena, and so there's a good deal of nostalgia in it for me. Not to mention everyone likes the two great mascots of FF to one degree or another, so why shouldn't they duke it out? VICTOR
Chocobo
13½ to 17½

Votes for Moogle[edit source]

  1.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:30, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Moogles are gods. Chocobos are feathered horses. Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:54, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi 02:09, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Chocobos are cute, but moogles are cuter. SelkieMaiden267 02:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. KUPO! King of 04:21, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. CardboardBoxMan 09:41, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I believe they're better together, but even then, Moogles are the masters of Chocobos. And yetis. And seeq. Dogurasu 11:26, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Had to flip a coin, I love them both equally. Miyuron 13:26, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. If chocobos are like horses, then they leave droppings all over the place.C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Moogles can tame chocobos, therefore, they dominate Balthierfan 19:30, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I love their theme music and Mog was my favorite character in Chocobo Racing MrSpiffy71810 16:13, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Kupo! SetzerLeonhart 04:15, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Mog! So goddish!—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 15:07, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. For the moogles of VI, kupo! Not to mention moogles are fluffy.--71.181.59.47 10:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Chocobo[edit source]

  1. I voted for moogles last time, so I guess I'll even it out :3 -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:18, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I couldn't exactly ride a moogle now could I.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:53, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  3. After all the effort I went through to get a Gold Chocobo... BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:07, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Chocobos are the kings or queens of Final Fantasy i love the chocobo races on Final Fantasy VII and XIII-2. Chocobos win hands down. User:Fenrir_777
  5. "I bet there's an amazing chocobo in there, but wimpy little me can't go in there and get it myself. Is that it?" --Pzykosiz 04:47, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. By far. Kweh. --CarloGrimaldi 07:33, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:48, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Can you ride a moogle? No, you cannot.Tetraninja321 08:30, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. ^What this guy said.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 10:47, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  10. SO YOU THINK YOU CAN RIDE THIS CHOCOBO  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:14, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I knew chocobos before I knew moogles, I'm afraid. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:51, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Still the perfect reason to vote for Chocobos <3 MirrorshardSceada 20:32, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Moogles are good but chocobos are chocobos. --AuronTheBest 06:32, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  14. KWEH! オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 12:14, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Avoids random encounters, and for that, we thank you. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:17, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
  16. It's a toughie, because I really like both, and moogles have more personality. But the chocobo wins - it's just so fun to ride the chocobos and they can be such useful little treasure finders and it would be awesome to fly on the back of a gold chocobo. ProfessorTofty 18:06, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
  17. I love chocobos! --Sencilia 05:23, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Chocobo: more iconic of the series. --Lozkaz 06:11, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. -200.122.253.165 22:53, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I love how much this match has bounced back and forth. Just proves how much we love these cute little things. King of 13:07, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Last Man Standing Round 12: Zack v. Zell[edit source]

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DEFENDING CHAMPION
ZACK FAIR
FINAL FANTASY VII
VICTORY - 20 to 8½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
ZELL DINCHT
FINAL FANTASY VIII
DEFEAT - 20 to 8½
In addition to four fights chosen by your very own DNC committee, we're also running this week's LMS fight as well! That's FIVE TIMES the voting of a normal week! It's like an entire month bundled up into one single week of voting! What can you do with a month of voting? You can make a lot of votes!... I think I've lost my train of thought here. Look, just vote, okay?

Votes for Zack[edit source]

  1. Zack is basically Zell without the suck. Also, this vote is decidedly, DECIDEDLY AGAINST EDIT CONFLICTS AFTER I ARCHIVE ANOTHER FIGHT CLEARLY INDICATING I AM GOING TO UPDATE AND THEN CHANGING THE RESULTS SO AFTER MAKING FOUR FIGHTS I HAVE TO MAKE AN ENTIRELY NEW FIGHT FROM SCRATCH! YOU ARE ON THE LIST, EDIT CONFLICTERS. YOU ARE ON THE LIST. Jimcloud 22:12, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Zack is better than Zell without the suck. Now if you guys will excuse me, I have a Jimcloud to calm down -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:17, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  3. How did Zell beat someone from IX, my brain just blow a fuse.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:31, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:53, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I must find Crisis Core ;_; BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:03, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Do I need a reason to vote for the best SOLDIER?  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 01:42, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Still bitter about seeing Celes lose, but I actually liked Zack and his backstory. So he gets my vote here. SelkieMaiden267 02:22, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Zack is much cooler than Zell... Sleepy phoenix 02:59, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  9. If Zell tried to be SOILDER he'd end up being the janitor because he can't fight. User:Fenrir 777 10:21 PM June 11 2012 (UTC)
  10. At least I could get Zack's limit breaks in game. I don't think I've ever seen a limit break ONCE in Final Fantasy VIII... King of 04:20, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Much better than the chickenwuss --Pzykosiz 04:54, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  12.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:09, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Again, a no-brainer. Miyuron 13:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  14. AtmaCrisis 09:36, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I usually prefer VIII over VII, but I prefer Zack over Zell. MrSpiffy71810 16:21, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  16. We've been over this. I can't vote against the puppy MirrorshardSceada 20:37, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Though I like Zell, i find Zack more interesting SetzerLeonhart 04:14, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  18. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 12:15, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Zack isn't a chicken wuss Bruntie2 19:31, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Zell will probably lose and Zack even beated Balthier so my vote goes to the mid-rated and not to the under-rated *HANDS DOWN*138.07.704.10 21:11, June 12,2012 (GMT)
  2. 202.65.183.2 03:28, June 13, 2012 (UTC) Agree with Mr Spiffy (above) there. So sorry, Zell, but I do love you, as well. Really.

Votes for Zell[edit source]

  1. Zell is soooo under-appreciated for reasons I totally understand. Mr. Know-It-All Zell is very studious, providing background information on various topics, multi-talented, has wickedly powerful Limit Breaks, loves hot dogs, and he's got a fun personality to boot! Zack is gonna win, but I gotta give Zell his first vote! Free bird 00:51, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi 02:08, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 8)Keltainentoukokuu 02:41, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I loled when he chocked on those hot dogs in the ending.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 10:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Duel and hot dogs.C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Of course, we all knew the FF VII fanboys would squeal and make us all sick and Zack will win. But as I said last time I voted for Zell, "SCROOOOOOGE!" Nuff said. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:55, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
  7. "Goofy tattoo" makes him Wakka's father!—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 15:09, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
  8. I just can't vote for Zack, it's too easy to make him out to be a more likable character. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:18, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I can't NOT vote for Zell. Especially since he's losing :( Though, I think we all saw this coming... --71.181.59.47 10:22, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Amarant looks a bit too much like Zell for my liking. JBed 22:21, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Zell looks a bit too little like Amarant for my linking. Stupid edit conflicts. Jimcloud 22:22, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
...I actually meant to say "liking", but in this case I think I'll let the spelling mistake go since it is tangentially related to the matter at hand. Jimcloud 02:45, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
That was a brilliant typo... C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Poor Zell. I think it's funny how crap a character he is, probably quite unintentionally, but how could they not see how bad he is? Like during the Dollet mission Seifer picks on Zell and this is meant to establish to the player that Seifer is a dick, but...like on whose side did they think the player would be? On Zell's?? Haahaha.Keltainentoukokuu 10:56, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

@Noobking: You're doing it wrong, then. Lionheart is one of the best ways to deal damage in the entire game, just slap an Aura spell on Squall and press triangle until his limit can be selected, then select it and watch the fireworks (triggering with R1 as necessary). Jimcloud 11:49, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

So... the only way to get a Limit Break in VIII is to buff a character and "cheat" it in, ne? Maybe there's a reason I never cared for the game... King of 12:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
You also get limit breaks when characters are at low health, the lower the health, the better the Limit break. Aura is just a late game spell that lets you trigger one (nearly) on command. Jimcloud 12:35, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Which encourages you to abuse the system, since that or a massive Str-J and HP-J allows for overkill and nothing else does. And Str-J and HP-J take way too long to work up.C A T U S E 15:13, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

No "OH YEAH AWESOME," Kelt? O.o Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:59, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Haha best quote. Bonus points to who knows where in the game it's said!Keltainentoukokuu 17:44, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
D-District Prison? When he grows scarily massive? Giggidy. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 11:25, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
Ahhh I don't actually remember what he says there. Something like let's kick ass or something dumb. When you first go into the train Zell finds the SeeD cabinet and goes OH YEAH AWESOME and proceeds to go jumping up and down on the sofa. Squall enters and says "I'm glad you're having fun." Squall just might be the secret comedian of the series, I think. ;)Keltainentoukokuu 13:18, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
Oh yeah. Awesome. :P Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:29, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 199: Zell Dincht v. Amarant Coral[edit source]

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VICTOR
Zell Dincht
27 to 26
This week, two of Final Fantasy's ever popular hand-to-hand fighters face off. However, their personalities could not be more different: one is fiery and energetic, the other quiet and moody. But which martial artist is superior? VICTOR
Zell Dincht
27 to 26

Votes for Zell[edit source]

  1. You know, in an actual battle? Limit Break? Duel? Getting 10+ attacks in in one second? Yeah. (plus, he's more likely to beat Zack. strategic voting <3)C A T U S E 02:15, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I actually like Zell. Plus, Armageddon Fist!  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:43, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 03:05, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Oh yeah awesome!!Keltainentoukokuu 03:48, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  5. HOT DOGS - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:08, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I know more about Zell then I do about Amarant. A.J. two (Smashboards) 05:33, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  7. FF8 was my very first FF game and I love it more than any other FF game. Votes go to Zell because he loves hotdogs! --Sencilia 06:50, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Wakka's father. xD —Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 09:21, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Zell is always in my main party, and he's humorous. I only used Amarant when I fought Necron, and he's a jerk sometimes (like at Ipsen's castle). Therefore, I'm voting for Zell. --Time Master 17:47, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  10. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 21:48, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  11. --ClixPsi 23:05, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  12. SCROOOOOOOGE! Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 00:36, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  13. MMLN メーマウリアン 00:44, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I find Zell amusing and Amarant kind of pointless in IX.. SetzerLeonhart 11:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  15. --TeaTime 04:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  16. I have played neither of these games; yet, I feel compelled to vote for VIII. Maybe because I have never seen a talk bubble with Amarant? :P BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 00:43, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Heard a few good things about VIII; know practically nothing about IX. So I'll vote for Zell on this one. Even though it hardly matters, as the winner of this fight won't stand much chance against Zack anyway... SelkieMaiden267 01:56, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
  18. He has has the better limit break.CardboardBoxMan 04:26, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Because Duel can deal more damage than lionheart if your good enoughSquallisnotemo 06:30, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
  20. In a brawl? Zell, no sweat, don't let the demeanor fool you. You CAN be a competent badass fighter and not have a typical dull cold lifeless personality. Anyway as much as like IX Amarant would get wrecked. He's versatile but Zell could do that and more with Junction leaving the hand to hand which Zell owns completely. Duel>Elan GG.--AnonyMan 22:05, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
  21. He runs around the world to get enough momentum for his fist... i think Zell got this one.. Judge MagisterPyarox 07:46, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
  22. For lolz Fëasindë Peth 20:03, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Axamin 20:16, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  24. He had a better personality. Rosenarm 20:27, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 200.122.253.165 22:13, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 71.181.52.38 10:29, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 202.65.183.2 03:40, June 5, 2012 (UTC) Zell is lovable! =)))
  4. 120.147.20.184 11:32, June 6, 2012 (UTC) A choice between ever optimistic Chicken-wuss or wannabe Cloud. Nuff said.
  5. I've never played IX, so I have to vote for Zell! 2.102.149.108 11:44, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Hands up to this fiery hotdog brawler!!BOOYA!!!!!!!!!--115.133.254.60 13:09, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Amarant[edit source]

  1. Amarant was a character I really liked in FFIX, myself. Whereas, Zell... Jimcloud 02:38, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Amarant was a total badass, Zell just goes around looking for another hotdog to shove down his throat --Pzykosiz 02:45, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Both of these characters personalities clash so much with their games' main protagonist, but my vote goes for this clash. Just seem to fit better. King of 03:27, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I've played both games but Amarant was a better character and he wasn't as dorky as Zell. -User:Fenrir_777 10:47 PM 6/4/2012 (UTC)
  5. Amarant not only is the superior character in my eyes, he also has quite the awesome theme and an interesting backstory MirrorshardSceada 04:23, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  6. He wanted to kill Zidane!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 04:48, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I liked Zell, my favorite VIII character, but Amarant takes the cake on badass-ary. Vercery 5:47, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  8. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 07:14, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Amarant was cool as!!! Biziorek 09:17, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Tetraninja321 10:14, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  11.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 12:04, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Let's let Amarant have a moment in the sun - not just a monk, but a ninja. Dogurasu 12:14, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  13. FFIX>>> LC 21:36, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  14. In battle I much prefer Zell since Duel is so insanely powerful, but I like Amarant as a character way more so he gets my vote. TheOxBellows 00:31, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Amarant is one of those characters that a lot of people don't like but I think he's awesome. Zell, however, is a character that a lot of people don't like and I still don't like him. AlVan 15:49, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Go, Scarlett Johansson! 8bit 17:09, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Ain't voting for Zell, that's for sure. User:GenBolt 19:57, 6/5/2012 (UTC)
  18. Gotta vote for The Dude. Zell's not all bad, but Amarant seems to be underappreciated more in my experience. Also, Auto-Life beats Duel -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 20:36, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Amarant looks amazingly badass. And have you heard his theme? It's reason enough to love him. Hopohoo 19:34, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
  20. yup  EightUserbox fatchoco.pngType-0  03:18, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Can't get caught voting for a chicken-wuss. It's gotta be Red here. -User:Dead Pepper 4:11 PM 6/9/2012 (UTC)
  22. ScatheMote 20:15, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
  23. This one's a no-brainer. Miyuron 19:06, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Zell's a chicken-wuss. :/ Carbuncle.pngEpicCarbunkl 19:14, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Real men do not have facial tatoos. Xepscern 19:59, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Both of these characters are... not in my favourites, but Amarant is at least less obnoxious. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.pngKujaBox.PNG 20:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Just giving everyone a heads up that next week is our 200th week. Don't worry: we've got something special prepared for you all. ScatheMote 02:12, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh really? It had better not be a fight between any two characters from the same title or compilation. I hate, hate, hate hate HATE those! (Especially when both combatants are from an overrated one like VII.) SelkieMaiden267 16:32, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
How about...you just sit back and appreciate the fact that there are new fights every week? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:09, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

@Cat: You think he's more likely to beat Zack than Amarant? Really? Honestly and truly? Somehow, I doubt. Jimcloud 03:47, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

'twas not expecting the many votes for Amarant. Oopsies.C A T U S E 05:00, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

@Doguraso: Monk + Ninja = Monja? King of 00:02, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, considering the alternative is Nink... Jimcloud 00:38, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, Monja. The absolute highest tier of martial artist, with Monga, Monra, and Monk before it. However, they cost at least 64 MP to summon. Not to be confused with Ninjonk, which is a dummied monster in Final Fantasy Pi. 96.28.192.160 13:14, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
But which type of mage would be most likely to summon the Monk and its higher tiers - White or Black? Or would the Blue Mage gain this power after surviving the attack of a Monk (Monra, Monga, or Monja) summoned against him/her? Or is it available to anyone via a magicite, materia, or other such device? SelkieMaiden267 16:31, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Trading cards. It's summoned through a children's card game.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:15, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
What if I had a holographic Gilgamesh card? Would that make me more likely to draw more powerful "weapon" cards in the game, particularly swords? SelkieMaiden267 01:52, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

@Me: In the time that message has been up, people have messaged me with TWO Amarant talk bubbles. People seem to be paying amazing attention to me. *shudders* BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 23:20, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Occupational hazard on this wiki (well, on the web in general, really). Specific comments about things like "I haven't seen X" typically result in counterexamples. It's kind of like Rule 35, but not restricted to porn -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 23:37, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
And... You've said the "P" word. *leaves conversation* BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 04:15, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
Boner.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 22:40, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
Aw, he's gone? Where'd he go? And what'll happen when somebody mentions Encyclopedia Dramatica?C A T U S E 22:46, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
Considering I mentioned porn in a negated sense, I wonder what the result would be if I used it in an inclusive sense -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 13:29, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Was gonna vote but can't decide. Amarant is forgetable and useless. Zell is an annoying moron. Neither is worth anything to me. Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 198: Last Man Standing Round 11: Celes v. Zack[edit source]

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DEFENDING CHAMPION
CELES CHERE
FINAL FANTASY VI
DEFEAT - 32½ to 24½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
ZACK FAIR
FINAL FANTASY VII
VICTORY - 32½ to 24½
Both of today's competitors served corrupt, power-hungry organizations and were eventually betrayed by them. Today, though, their similarities mean little as they face each other on the field of battle. Will the general of the Gestahlian Empire secure another win? Or will the puppy from SOLDIER dethrone the champion? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Celes[edit source]

  1. Hard choice to make.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 18:37, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I'm voting for Celes here, but only because I consider VI to be slightly less overrated than VII. SelkieMaiden267 18:45, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  3. ClixPsi 20:49, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Two words: Opera Floozy. Fëasindë Peth 21:47, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  5. VI > VII LC 22:23, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  6. She has something that attracts me... Wait! It's RUNIC!!—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 22:45, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Both good, but Celes is still better --Pzykosiz 00:54, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  8. VI is my second favourite game (behind IX). Celes is my favourite character in the game. Chimomo 1:47, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  9. O my hero <3 8bit 02:39, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Never cared for Zack.- DyTySan
  11. Celes sings opera. Can Zack sing opera? I thought not. Carbuncle.pngEpicCarbunkl 03:41, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Celes is awesome. Sleepy phoenix 11:28, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Given my voting trend, this had to be obvious. Dogurasu 12:35, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 14:32, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  15. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 17:26, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Gotta go with the girl I met at eight years old. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 23:43, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  17. I gotta go with Celes. She's able to use magic without Materia, and can Runic any magic Zack can throw at her. Zack would have to resort to physical attacks if he wants to succeed, but since Celes (if equipped properly) can quintuple-cast Ultima for 6mp, she wins in my book. Yrusama
  18. Stil haven't played any game with Zack in it so Celes seems like the right choice--Xabryn 00:22, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
  19. ScatheMote 00:17, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Celes gets my vote, hands down. Anyone who can absorb a magic spell with their sword has the upper hand. RogueTomato

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. --181.133.17.135 00:59, May 28, 2012 (UTC). I love both of them, but my gut tells my vote needs to go to Celes.
  2. She sang opera, stabbed Kefka without backup (at that particular second), and took down a god. Four, if you think about it. Or did people forget about the Warring Triad? --71.181.60.166 12:15, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  3. May still be upset that she knocked Krile out of the competition, but there's no way I'm going to allow her to lose to Zack, just no way. 98.109.117.239 14:19, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  4. After winning against Kain, Celes has to become the new champion 79.26.251.203 17:50, May 28, 2012 (UTC) 17:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Oh well. I never played Crisis Core and... Well, of course I'm a hater, but Zack isn't so annoying as Cloud but... Oh well, not allowing her lose to Zack... e.e 177.106.36.14 19:52, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Played VI before Crisis Core. I love both, but Celes wins my vote. #98.151.9.79 20:14, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Pity vote ): #166.216.128.151 00:31, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Played FF VI before Crisis Core, but that's not the point. I love Zack to death but speaking of 1v1 fighting, I think the girl that can absorb magic AND cast magic AND summon AND deal good physical damage without needing to switch out Materia would win, hands down. --66.130.60.43 17:14, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. 112.208.52.66 20:34, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Zack[edit source]

  1. Keltainentoukokuu 20:11, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Hard choice as well. Gonna go with the cooler sword this time. King of 20:39, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I don't care either way who wins, but a Celes LMS landslide will probably be a complete bore. Soo...C A T U S E 21:26, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:43, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Is he one of that elite group of characters I actually care about? Yes, he is, so this is no contest. Celes is cool an' all, but not in the same league -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 21:46, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  6. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 22:44, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Not an easy choice to make, but I'll support Zack this time. --Time Master 00:06, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Playing VII. So excited. ^_^ BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 00:20, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  9. There is no character better than Zack! KaiserPaladin 07:25, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Cannot say no to Zack!! Simply my favourite protagonist in the series!! :D AtmaCrisis 09:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Because for now, Zack has proved that he has a personality. But I'm not that far into VI yet, so my mind could change. ZaFlareStar 13:58, May 28th 2012, GMT+3
  12.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 19:24, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  13.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 20:15, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Miyuron 22:35, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  15. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 01:27, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Anyone who goes out in a blaze of glory rather than (attempting) ending their own lives in despair gets a huge edge from me. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:05, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Zack is my favorite character in Final Fantasy VII so this vote goes hand down to him~ The immemorial hero to all.. --TerraBranford145322 11:11, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Kordeleski I would have to go with Zack While Celes may be from my favorite game Zack just seems cooler and under appriciated (Especially when compared to others from his series *cough* Sephiroth. Not to mention I never really liked Celes compared to the others in FFVI.
  19. Ultimate Zack :Zack happens to be my favorite Final Fantasy character EVER... so I am going to have to back him up!
  20. MMLN メーマウリアン 21:48, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
  21. I am sorry that I have to go against Lady Celes so soon, but... well... Zack is one of the three characters I just can't vote against. I just like the guy way too much MirrorshardSceada 02:00, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
  22.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 09:56, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
  23. How can you say no to the adorkable protagonist of Crisis Core? He's like Laguna, but less stupid --GarretTribal 01:08, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
  24.  EightUserbox fatchoco.pngType-0  06:59, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
  25. --BiggsandWedge 18:39, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Because Crisis Core had one of the best endings for a game. Even if you knew it was coming:-) Squallisnotemo 04:58, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
  27. I can't go against Zack... I would love to name my child someday after him. -- AvaGirl10Roses 19:52, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 21:38, May 27, 2012 (UTC) Somehow, I really think Crisis Core was the best game I've ever played.
  2. 86.168.26.253 16:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 114.198.128.53 18:54, May 28, 2012 (UTC)" The size of his sword sez it all!!!!
  4. 71.251.165.65 00:45, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
  5. 184.4.215.83 03:34, May 29, 2012 (UTC) No one beats Zack. I mean, except all those crazy Shinra grunts. But that never really happened... He was just KO'ed.
  6. 50.99.205.43 11:18, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
  7. 137.77.127.07 21:20, May 29, 2012 (UTC) Large sword 'nuff said.
  8. 55.901.777.13 20:15, May 30, 2012 (UTC) My vote is such a waste if I vote Celes,but I do like FFVII and Crisis Core so my vote goes to Zack.
  9. 180.194.249.3 13:30, May 31, 2012 (UTC) Zack was THE Last Man Standing, until Shinra's stupid back-up grunts came for them in the end. He deserves the title, period.
  10. 91.124.15.17 22:49, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Zack should win this one.He even won a match against Cloud.And,did everybody forgot about the D.M.W?2.102.243.84 12:27, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Okay, we have a fight between Celes and Zack this week. Previously in the Dragon's Neck Colosseum we've had fights between Kefka and Sephiroth (Kefka won that one, if I recall correctly). And then later the musical themes did the fighting for the bad guys they represent: "Dancing Mad" vs. "One-Winged Angel" (fans liked "One-Winged Angel" better that time). There's been (listed in no particular order) Sabin vs. Tifa, Setzer vs. Cait Sith, Setzer vs. Tifa, and Magicite vs. Materia. In other words, a lot of VI vs. VII fights. Will the next one be Terra vs. Cloud? Setzer vs. Cid Highwind? Or is someone in the committee going to try and ban future VI vs. VII fights? Just curious. SelkieMaiden267 15:09, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to the /Nomination Page, the DNC more or less gives the people what they want. And because of the incredible amount of VI and VII fanboys here, they want more VI vs. VII fights. Or something like that.C A T U S E 15:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Last Man Standing is between the person who won the previous round of LMS and the previous round of the DNC. It's just coincidence that those two characters happen to be from FFVI and FFVII.
We generally try to vary the characters and fights as much as possible, but LMS is not really in our control. Next week when I update I'll be sure to mix up the fight a little bit. ScatheMote 15:36, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Fear not. We will probably never have Terra vs Cloud. On this Wiki, Terra would pummel Cloud into a heap of limbs. Fëasindë Peth 15:39, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
"Don't fear the power to destroy." (Dissidia, Sephiroth to Terra) SelkieMaiden267 15:52, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
I dunno -- while this wiki is overpopulated by Terra fanboys, this stuff goes on the front page. You know what that means? Influx of Cloud fanboys. And lots of cheating and flamewars >:3C A T U S E 17:39, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
I remember when I did my tourney I had a Terra VS Cloud fight, sadly Terra lost.... This make Zero a sad Panda....  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 20:32, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

A Committee?!?! Democracy prevailed in The FFWiki??? Never! I will not have it!!--BiggsandWedge 18:41, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 197: Balthier v. Zack Fair[edit source]

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VICTOR
Zack Fair
27 to 19
This week features the longest-waiting fight on our shortlist. As such the original rationale has been lost to the sands of time, but surely you can draw your own conclusions?
VICTOR
Zack Fair
27 to 19

Votes for Balthier[edit source]

  1. Who's the other guy? :3 8bit 19:34, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi 20:15, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. How can I not vote for the Leading Man? Miyuron 20:16, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  4. As cool as Zach is, he can't match Balthier's swag.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:28, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. "A fine, bloody banquet."—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 22:21, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. The leading man. Enough said. King of 22:48, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  7. LC 23:02, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Taunts the enemy with a blade to his neck, "At least your sword is to the point", and still completely calm --Pzykosiz 23:55, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I'm voting for Balthier specifically for the futility of it. Dogurasu 12:10, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Kinda have to vote if my name is Balthierfan 14:17, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I have a boner right now voting for this guy!!! --BlueHighwind 20:35, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Fëasindë Peth 23:36, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  13. HotTacos7 13:00, May 23, 2012 (UTC) 'I'm the leading man. Who else?'
  14. I've never played XII, but I like Balthier better. A.J. two (Smashboards) 03:25, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
  15. ScatheMote 15:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
  16. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 00:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Hard choice, very hard choice.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 12:37, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. FFVII hater always vote to the opposite force. ^-^ 177.10647.211 12:12, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 85.168.25.252 17:51, May 22, 2012 (UTC) I love Zack. But I'll always be faithful to Balthier.
  3. Balthier is completely awesome! #177.102.1.167 16:10, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I do like Zack, but who can pass up a sexy sky pirate?--67.177.113.134 12:52, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Zack[edit source]

  1. Probably one the best protagonist in the series.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 20:04, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Drake Clawfang (talk) 20:08, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Skilfully wields an umbrella and takes down a goddess single-handedly. If only he had combined the two feats. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:16, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 20:36, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. MMLN メーマウリアン 20:46, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Maybe if Balthier had gotten a prequel that showed that he was more than just witty one-liners, I would be voting for him instead. Jimcloud 20:52, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  7. My vote goes to the true protagonist of Final Fantasy 7, and Aeris' actual boyfriend. Kaintheflaminglancer 21:19, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  8. My vote goes to Zack.Tetraninja321 21:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Ah, I've been waiting for this fight for ages... Balthier will get what's coming to him :3 BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 23:00, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  10. The True Leading Man! As far as Crisis Core goes anyway.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 23:02, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  11. To slide with the landslide Cat: meowhunt 23:03, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  12. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 23:21, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
  13. One of my three most loved FF characters, how could I not vote for him? MirrorshardSceada 00:44, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  14. AtmaCrisis 02:09, May 22, 2012 (UTC) :) personal favorite protagonist from the ENTIRE Final Fantasy series!
  15. Appearing in beach wear in his game gives him +1.Keltainentoukokuu 03:03, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Been through Crisis Core, did not play XII, so I'm gonna give dear old Zack my vote on this one. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. SelkieMaiden267 04:34, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Balthier would get my vote normally...but,um, his vest looks like tree bark. *Passes award to Zack.* Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 08:11, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  18.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 17:19, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Zack is the only reason Cloud didn't die in Shinra Manor, and therefore, the only reason Sephiroth didn't win. Balthier may be cool, but Zack has his own game, saved the main character of another game from certain death, and even defeated an entire army single-handedly before dying. Therefore, Zack should win this fight.--Time Master 19:10, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Cyruny 20:30, May 23, 2012 (CET)
  21. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 18:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  22. He just rocks so hard.  EightUserbox fatchoco.pngType-0  23:48, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Currently playing Crisis Core and now I get why he is so popular XD SetzerLeonhart 20:33, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 181.133.17.135 00:42, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --180.194.249.69 07:31, May 22, 2012 (UTC)Because he's THE Zack Fair. :)))
  3. 50.99.205.43 09:52, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Zack any more than I like Balthier. I'm not even entirely sure WHY I'm voting for him. I'm sure I'll find outwhen I actually sit down and play Crisis Core. --71.181.60.82 10:10, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I love them both, and it's kinda hard to pick one, but I have to go with Zack, because, he's...just Zack. Balthier has swag, sure, but I just love this guy! Crisis Core was awesome, though I cried buckets at the end.98.225.84.219 18:39, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
  6. 173.23.203.10 01:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC) Because Zack's a puppy and pretty much my favorite character from anything. ^^ -Kiffie
  7. Favourite FF character..sorry Balthier..>.<--121.121.59.16 07:04, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
  8. 2.101.179.187 12:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@JimCloud: Now you got me wanting a Final Fantasy XII Prequel starring Balthier... King of 22:49, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well. I'm about 78.3% sure how the next few weeks of LMS will go. Dogurasu 23:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

@Dogurasu So you think Zack will kick ass in the Last Man Standing fights to come? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he will, too. Even though I hate to see anyone from VII beat Celes so soon after she triumphed over Krile and then Delita... SelkieMaiden267 04:42, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hoh... There's absolutely no way for me to decide which one to vote. @JimCloud and Noobking: Balthier's past is actually very interesting. Square-Enix would do the right thing to make a prequel game for him. ZaFlareStar 23:00 22th May 2012 (GMT+3)

Fight 196: Last Man Standing Round 10: Celes Chere v. Delita Heiral[edit source]

Celes Chère menu.png
LMS Icon.png
FFT Delita Heiral Squire Portrait.png
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CELES Chere
FINAL FANTASY VI
VICTOR - 24 to 14
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
DELITA Heiral
FINAL FANTASY TACTICS
DEFEAT - 24 to 14
Celes soundly tromped Krile, becoming the first character to beat a defending champion. Now she must defend herself against the backstabbing chessmaster, Delita. Can the magic infused general defeat Delita, or will she fall to his ambitions? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Celes[edit source]

  1. Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:06, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Celes escaped her oppressive establishment, whilst Delita became a slave to it. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:11, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 01:18, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 01:50, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Celes for the win. If she defeated a sadistic insane clown who BECAME the God of Magic, she can pound this son-of-a-submariner no sweat! SelkieMaiden267 01:57, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Must... Resist... Leotard... *Votes* BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:43, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I guy I don't know vs One of my favourite character in FFVI, who should I choose? Xabryn 04:08, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  8. ALWAYS use Celes! <3  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 04:11, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 05:28, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Delita betrayed others and manipulated them to serve his own ends; while he did get his own hands dirty from time to time, he let Ramza do the real heavy lifting. Celes? She turned traitor and went on to become a true world savior. She isn't betrayed by her love at the end, either; she is saved. The King is dead; long live the Queen! Dogurasu 06:08, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  11. She didn't beat Krile for nothing. Sleepy phoenix 08:57, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  12. --ClixPsi 09:15, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  13. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 13:36, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  14. The perfect magiteck knight.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 14:01, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  15. A difficult choice... Delita is a skilled manipulator and traitor, but isn't well off at the very end. Celes betrays the Gestahlian Empire and in doing so, eventually saves the world. Two great characters, but Celes has the edge. --Time Master 19:20, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Again voting for Celes.. SetzerLeonhart 22:27, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Chimomo 2:05, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  18. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 03:15, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I didn't play enough Tactics. And VI was the...second FF I played? I think. It may have been IV. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 08:12, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Celes or Delita? Celes it is.Tetraninja321 08:21, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Can Delita sing opera. I think not --Pzykosiz 00:14, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Never played Tactics, therefore, my vote goes to Celes! EpicCarbunkl 07:29, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I couldn't stand Tactics (so I never really met Delita), plus I love Celes and VI. --71.181.51.223 10:22, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 181.133.17.135 23:08, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Simply because Celes is one of my favorite characters of the whole series.--130.243.216.193 20:41, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Go, Celes!!! 95.247.95.44 12:50, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Delita[edit source]

  1. I'm personally a little mystified on how exactly Celes is "underrated" or "underloved". If she's got to be somewhere off the norm in appreciation, it is definitely, definitely "overrated". Jimcloud 01:05, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  2. The doom of a planet...Crush Punch! Cat: meowhunt 01:05, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Still one of the better characters in the series. Celes is a bit whatever.Keltainentoukokuu 01:30, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  4. The Tactics series will forever be my favorite series, and this back-stabber's what started it all. King of 04:04, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Ooh.... tough vote. I had to play through Tactics multiple times and edit a bunch of its pages here to fully appreciate Delita's political genius, though. 8bit 04:08, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I have to give Delita the vote here, if at the very least to give him a fighting chance. Durmer Darc 06:02, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Always thought Celes' story was kinda ham-fisted and shoved down the player's throat. Plus nothing can beat backstabby lines like "Nobody wants you to be king!" or "Me and you are caught up in the same flow... I'm just swimming against it." User GenBolt 07:14, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  8. This is a last man standing-competition. As Celes definitely is not a man... so... And I actually never used Celes while playing in FF VI, I always thought she was so boring and useless. Mister Tonberry 10:56, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Delita is hard core. Celes is a Twilight character. --BlueHighwind 21:15, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  10. ScatheMote 22:30, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I've played Tactics more than VI. ZaFlareStar 17:08 16th may, 2012 (GMT+3)
  12. Celes shmeles. Bruntie2 18:55, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I couldn't decide who to vote for, and then I rememeber that Delita is awesome. A.J. two (Smashboards) 17:16, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 19:48, May 14, 2012 (UTC) Just because I guess Celes will be the winner, I'm voting for Delita.
  2. 174.24.67.197 16:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC) Favorite character from my favorite game.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@Jim: Who said anything about Celes being over or under rated? You must have a very flimsy definition, as I've surely not seen people fawn over Celes as I've seen people fawn over Cloud, Sephiroth, Kefka, Lightning or Sazh, just to name a few. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:13, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Mkay, well, going back to fight 193, we have it said three times, though not in exactly those words: "Celes needs more love", "she deserves... more love", "Celes is so underlooked", as she proceeded to beat Kain, at something very near to a 2 to 1 ratio. In addition, if you don't think Celes gets fawned over, then you don't spend much time in the Wiki's IRC channel, because I hear about her the most after Terra. Jimcloud 09:46, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I think Kain is also overrated, along with Kefka, Cloud, Sephiroth, Lightning, Sazh, and so many, many others. It's also very much in the eye of the fan as to who is more overrated or underrated, and everybody will have different opinions. But what does this have to do with Celes being overrated or underrated? One of the big reasons she likely won against Kain was because she was perceived as "underrated" while Kain was perceived as "overrated," slanting two types of votes in her favor. Again, it's all about perception, and as of late, Final Fantasy V and VI have not been seeing much love at all, not when compared to many other Final Fantasy games. ...Also, @Genbolt, one of the major reasons her story was "ham-fisted" and "shoved down the players' throats" might be because she was a main character and out in the open as opposed to Delita, who was pretty much behind the scenes after the first chapter of Tactics. Dogurasu 10:03, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Even for a main character it doesn't have to be all "hey player, this scene is supposed to be very sad and tragic! you get it yet? maybe we should hamfist it a bit more just in case!" Not saying FFT doesn't do this also, but the entire presentation is also more "stage play like", everybody speaking very eloquently and making grand speeches. FFVI has the baggage of being a SNES era game so they just didn't have so much in the way of facial and body expressions I guess, so it's easier to seep into melodrama to make a point.
In my opinion what is good character development represents the character more as what we are...or used to be...rather than what we want to be. If this makes any sense. In that sense I think Delita is a better made character.Keltainentoukokuu 13:10, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
So... FFT gets away with it because everybody's dramatic, but FFVI doesn't because it's on an older system? Dogurasu 23:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that it fits the theatrical style of FFT better than how it fits in the atmosphere of FFVI. I am thinking of the War of the Lions translation, but my understanding is the Japanese version was always quite "Shakespearean", the original PS translation just didn't reflect that. A lot of people don't like the War of the Lions translation because no one would really speak like that, but I think it's a cool experiment.Keltainentoukokuu 13:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
I don't dislike War of the Lions; I just don't quite see how a major character's story is so quickly disregarded as being hammy just because of the system it's on. Perhaps they did have to push the envelope on the SNES, but that's what suspension of disbelief is for. Dogurasu 23:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
It's just one person's opinion. I could never get into FFVI. The characters and everything that happens in the story just feel off somehow.Keltainentoukokuu 01:12, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

What did I tell you? Celes is kicking ass in there. SelkieMaiden267 03:50, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, not really surprising. We're talking a main-series character who's from what can be arguably called the best Final Fantasy versus a side-series character. General rule of thumb, side-series never do quite as well as the main series. King of 13:57, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 195: Delita Heiral v. Sephiroth[edit source]

FFT Delita.jpg
DNC Versus.png
Sephiroth Dissidia Artwork.png
VICTOR
Delita Heiral
23 to 20½
This week holds the battle between two master manipulators who've employed said skill to achieve their own selfish ends - one the poor son of a farmer who would rise to become king, the other a great hero in the eyes of the people who fell from grace. Who will emerge victorious?
VICTOR
Delita Heiral
23 to 20½

Votes for Delita[edit source]

  1. For the certainly deeper character. Delita was almost understandable, if he hadn't been so cruel. ZaFlareStar 8:44, May 6th 2012 (GMT+3)
  2. IVALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE! And you best be hoping Delita wins this, or Imma have to slap some fools. User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 06:04, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  3. So, again, good night. I must be cruel, only to be kind. — YuanSalutActa 06:09, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  4. One of the better characters in the series.Keltainentoukokuu 15:56, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Don't blame me, blame yourself or God. But seriously, Delita didn't need magical mind control to get people to do what he wanted. User:GenBolt 16:00 5/6/2012 (UTC)
  6. Well duh. Cat: meowhunt 16:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  7. A significant character in an underrated game. Delita deserves a win against the guy who is a great villain, yet still overrated. --Time Master 17:37, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  8. --ClixPsi 18:25, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  9. That picture alone is making want to play Final Fantasy Tactics again... King of 21:19, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  10. User:Ciccoslovakia Mainly for the fact that Sephiroth is a very bad villain. He's so generic and his mom is a lot more evil than him.
  11. Did all that work to get Great Gospel limit, Sephiroth kills Aerith. FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!! --Pzykosiz 23:45, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  12. 8bit 03:13, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Delita for sure. More interesting character, FAR Better manipulator. He didn't need special powers to get what he wanted done. He's also retained his integrity as a character. Sephiorth's been derailed so much since VII, he(like Cloud) are just lamer pandering shadows of their former selves.--AnonyMan 18:20, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  14. After some personal debate, I'm going to vote Delita. Dogurasu 00:09, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Delita, you magnificent bastard, I read your book! HallowXIII 13:24, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Voting for the character that is more interesting and deeper character wise. Although Sephy is pretty awesome still. Sleepy phoenix 09:58, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Sephiroth is still pretty great, but Delita is like the ultimate manipulator. Totally awesome character. -wee187 07:57, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Delita was able to deceive even his wife and "brothers" to achieve his goals, very different of some guy that is always going after his mother. JC Holy Knight 17:06, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
  19. ScatheMote 23:32, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
  20. King of Kings. ----BlueHighwind 00:22, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Sephiroth has often failed to impress me. Delita still has the chance to impress me due to me yet having to play his game. So, Delita gets my vote in the hope of him impressing me later on MirrorshardSceada 10:17, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 07:36, May 6, 2012 (UTC) I must be the only one here who always regarded Sephiroth as a complete stereotyped character. Delita, in fact, is way more interesting.
  2. I hate to be a hater, but I just dislike Sepiroth. --71.181.57.5 13:08, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Do know Final Fantasy? Yeah, I love Sephiroth. And?... Oh, I only know him... This is why my vote is here. (177.106.35.139 23:17, May 7, 2012 (UTC))
  4. Donno who that other guy is. 79.69.192.80 23:36, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Sephiroth[edit source]

  1. A little something for the Sephy fans.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 05:10, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  2. This is for CC Sephy.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 05:42, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Well... Jimcloud 06:03, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  4. One of my favorite villains in all of gaming and I'm not afraid to admit it.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 00:47, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I never played any of the games but of Sephiroth I've heard before, besides I have played other games where he appeared, as well as watched FFVII:AC--Xabryn 02:07, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Sephiroth all the way. He's my fave character of all time. --Sencilia 10:09, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  7. No, no, I'm not a Sephy fanboy, but he is undoubtedly awesome. That, and I've never played Tactics >_> BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 10:28, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  8. I'm no fangirl. This is purely because I know nothing about...whoever that is over there. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:55, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Delita was just a dick. Sephiroth was too, but at least...ooh, those eyes... - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:26, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  10. MMLN メーマウリアン 16:36, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  11.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 20:02, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Who is this other guy, and who is he to think he stands up to the sixth-greatest villain in all of Final Fantasy? Final Fantasy Tictacs sucks, FYI. --AuronKaizer! 00:37, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
  13. One-Winged Angel. Nuff said.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 00:38, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Just because. :))) --MissHimitsu 02:37, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
  15. ONLY for original FFVII Sephiroth. All the other titles he appeared in just tarnished his awesomeness. MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 06:41, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Rosenarm 14:43, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Ujyl 06:18, May 12, 2012 (UTC) I was going to vote for Sephiroth, but I didn't.
  18. User:Lozkaz 23:25, May 12, 2012 (UTC) Sephiroth rules over all, good and bad!
  19. Eh..Tis the choice of Steins;Gate! LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 02:10, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Sephiroth, for just being an overall badass, not to mention a manipulative jerk. 98.225.84.219 07:08, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 84.235.75.93 11:25, May 6, 2012 (UTC) he won't remain in memory ..
  3. Delita is a cool character, but if we're talking who would win in an actual fight, only one guy can destroy the entire solar system multiple times.--98.229.162.43 06:01, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Cat: meowhunt is amazed that there isn't a landslide in favor of Sephiroth. Bloody VII fanboys. 16:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't have put this fight up if I thought there was going to be a landslide in either direction. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:21, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
If anything, it's going to be a landslide in the opposite direction. VII haters greatly outnumber fanboys here, didn't you know :3 Jimcloud 18:38, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
If only because the VII fanboys moved onto XIII. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:01, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
True, true... I'm somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, but this endlessly amazes me, and that this fight contradicts that also endlessly amazes me :P Cat: meowhunt 19:09, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Amazed by the fact that people who have played both games and people who haven't played both games have different opinions? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:14, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
No, just amazed Sephy practically the FF Justin Bieber. Cat: meowhunt 22:54, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
LOL, someone give ^this^ guy an internet! BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 23:28, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Cat: Seph really must make up for something with this palm-long katana.—Kaimi >♂ FFXIII - Sprite-AtkVanille.png - FFXIII - Sprite-ShockVanille.png - Discussion - FFXIII - Sprite-CrysVanille.png 15:40, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
oh my god you guys are hilarious. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 15:47, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Our poor senses of humor may be matched by none; however, this is the peanut gallery, so-called because people supposedly threw peanuts from the peanut gallery at the actors. Cat: meowhunt 22:46, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Me, I don't care whether Delita Heiral wins or whether Sephiroth wins. You wanna know why? It's because the winner of this fight will be up against Celes - and neither so-called manipulative badass would stand a chance with HER as his opponent! I'll be waiting at the next round, ready to laugh in the face of whomever. SelkieMaiden267 23:17, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Since this fight is within standard the 10% tie range, does this mean we'll get our first LMS Champion fight? King of 13:46, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, we got rid of the 10% rule. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:15, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
I thought it would still be a tie but whoever got more points got selected for LMS. That said, it's currently an exact tie, which is actually quite surprising (to me). Jimcloud 23:18, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 194: Last Man Standing Round 9: Krile v. Celes[edit source]

[[File:Cara.jpg|center]] LMS Icon.png
Celes SD Art.png
DEFENDING CHAMPION
KRILE MAYER BALDESION
FINAL FANTASY V
DEFEAT - 5½ to 23
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
CELES CHERE
FINAL FANTASY VI
VICTOR - 5½ to 23
This week, Krile's string of victories will be challenged by her toughest opponent yet. Will the spunky little girl defeat her opponent yet again? Or will the Magitek Knight general win the day? Who will be the Last Woman Standing?

Votes for Krile[edit source]

  1. See comments. Cat: meowhunt 19:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Krile's got the cutest sprites.Krile-Cannoneer.PNGKrile-Monk.PNGKrile-Geomancer.PNGKeltainentoukokuu 19:56, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Celes is cool but Krile has way more charm. Awesome in her own right. A cool princess who rides meteors; hangs out with pirates, cool hobos with chocobos, other awesome princesses; avid cosplayer; helped out before she became a playable character. And is related to FF's paragon of Badassity by blood. Also FFV is WAY underrated.--AnonyMan 03:09, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Krile, the true champion of the DNC. March 18th, 2012 - May 7th, 2012. Never forget. ScatheMote 00:14, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I agree on Celes being the stronger, the better character. But it pains me to see Krile lose so badly, so even if it doesn't help much, she shall at least have my vote to help her a little bit MirrorshardSceada 00:53, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I normally don't vote if I've never played the game a character was in, but since Krile is most likely going to be crushed in this fight, I've got to show my support for her one last time. Celes, from what I can tell you're a great character, but having never played your game I can't really say if you're better than Krile or not. Krile, you did good kid, a lot better than most people would've thought. Too bad you couldn't make it to the end. 98.109.117.239 19:45, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Celes[edit source]

  1. I'll be the first to oppose the sorry excuse for a character known as Krile. Also, Celes is a very good character surpassed by only a few. Celes is a strong fighter in both physicality and magic. Outside of battle she led the search for the remnants of the returners, and assembled a fighting force mighty enough to topple Kefka. In a world where all seemed lost, and despair threatened to end the world, Celes stood strong and did what needed to be done. Krile simply took credit for all the feats Galuf did (including his stats.), and pretneded she deserved to be one of the main party members. long story short, if a man can't beat Krile here, I hope a female can. --Time Master 20:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --ClixPsi 20:21, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Lockexceles34 is a familiar name to me, how can I not vote? :3 BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 22:54, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Sorry Krile, I was with you until now, but I have to give this to Celes on this one --Pzykosiz 23:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I'm... not sorry, Krile. I like you, but I adore Celes. Chimomo 1:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Leotards are 80s. --BlueHighwind 04:11, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I vote for the one able to fulfill multiple rolls without Job Classes getting in the way. King of 04:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  8.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 05:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:24, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Krille doesnt stand a chance.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 06:36, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  11. For all her vaunted jobs, much of Krile's magic arsenal is blocked by Runic. Of course, this isn't even going into Celes's nigh-invincible equipment draw. I like the spunky little princess, but Celes is queen here. Dogurasu 10:55, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Sorry Krile. Celes made a Star Wars reference. She wins. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 15:48, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  13. 8bit 19:32, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Sorry Krile, you got far enough, but Celes is my favorite FF VI Female. (Male being Setzer) Dogurasu proved that Celes can best Krile in a in-game battle. Celes also wins in popularity. Game Over for Krile; Victory Fanfare for Celes. The Last Blood 17:42, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Cyruny 18:21, May 1, 2012 (CET)
  16.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 16:31, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
  17. FFVI ROCKS!!! Thisisabluelink 12:04, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Munk451 15:06, May 3, 2012 (UTC) I do not know who Krille is, so yeah.
  19. One of my favourite characters in FFVI --Xabryn 21:47, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
  20. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 02:53, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Come on, one of my favorite characters in the series against one i really dislike.. This is a no brainer.. SetzerLeonhart 21:46, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. For the ability to fulfill so many roles without having to rely on Jobs. 24.92.242.74 20:37, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Sorry, Krile. Celes used to be my all time favorite character of any videogame. --71.181.61.189 10:23, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 181.133.17.135 21:45, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
  4. 85.168.25.252 07:11, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Go on Celes!

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

This is a close call. I mean, they're both good though not great characters and are both excellent in battle at higher levels. Oh, and Spoilers: their grandparents both die . Celes has a lightsaber, but I'd like to see a fifth Krile fight ... we've yet to have a Krile landslide. But Krile gets the vote since Celes is stuck in one job, Krile has many many many. Including samurai. (And ninja and cannoneer (pirates!), just incase there are any ninja/pirate fanboyish typy people out there Cat: meowhunt 19:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

@Cat: While Krile does have all kinds of jobs, Celes is not necessarily shoehorned into just one, thanks to the Relics; a pair of Dragoon Boots and she's a dragoon, a Gauntlet and Knight's Code make her a knight, the Lich Ring makes her an effective Necromancer to a degree... But this isn't getting into her equipment draw. The right set-up makes Celes nigh-untouchable, a feat that can be mimicked only by Terra (or someone with the Merit Award). All of this is merged with her skill in physical and magical combat. Thus, my vote is for Celes.

@Cat: Spoilers: Celes's grandfather don't have to die , besides like the person above me said with the Relic system she can have more jobs, not to mention that she can learn all kinds of magic at once while Krile has to either have the job or one command for ONE kind of magic, and she has to buy magic--Xabryn 21:52, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 193: Celes Chere v. Kain Highwind[edit source]

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DNC Versus.png
Kain Highwind (colour sketch, 2007).jpg
VICTOR
Celes Chere
28½ to 15½
At first glance, it seems like these characters have nothing to do with each other. But when taking a closer look, one can see quite a few similarities. Both are prominent generals for the opposing side who eventually realize their faults and join the heroes. More importantly, they both have long silky blond hair. Whose hair is the silkiest? The fight is on!
VICTOR
Celes Chere
28½ to 15½

Votes for Celes[edit source]

  1. As awesome as Kain is, Celes needs more love and attention. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:55, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Celes deserves this one, in my eyes. Mainly because she deserves, as Drake already said, more love and because Kain, despite being awesome, borders on being overrated in my eyes. MirrorshardSceada 23:02, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain was in here pretty recently. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 23:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Not even Kain can stand up to Ultima. Truefaxx. Cat 23:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  5.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 23:30, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  6. --ClixPsi 23:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Celes will need this more. Plus, Caius is better than Kain.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 00:06, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Celes v.s. Kain? Sorry Kain, but Celes with 2 Ultima Weapons(and the offering relic) can kill Kefka a press of a button. Kain will turn to ash upon the first hit. The Last Blood 18:43, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Hmm... I vote for the one with more base skills than the other. King of 01:50, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  10. For Maria's long lost twin sister, just kidding, but seriously she is awesome--Xabryn 03:10, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Kain has Jump, Attack, Item, and is holding the Gungnir. Celes has an enormous Spell list consisting of Flare, Ultima, etc, the ability to summon, and double Ultima Weapons. Now, please continue tell me how Kain is going to win. :) EpicCarbunkl 03:33, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Better game + better character > overrated game + overrated character LC 06:53, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Kain can't use Magic, Kain can't absorb magic, Kain can't Summon. Celes CAN Jump. Game, Set, Match --Pzykosiz 07:53, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Obviously. I adore Celes. Plus, I love magic, and Celes can use it. Can Kain? Nope! Chimomo 11:42, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  15. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 15:19, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Munk451 19:10, April 23, 2012 (UTC) Celes is so underlooked in the Final Fantasy series. I am up to World of Ruin in FF6, and I can see how well developed her character is. Her abilities stack up nicely and is very versatile in combat and magic.
  17. As much as I think Kain is a good character, Celes was better. Not only did she defect from the Gestahlian empire, and everything she ever knew, but she also continued to live and fight even after considering the possibility of being the last person left alive in the entire world. Battle-wise runic can absorb most magic and thereby MP, while jump has a long loading time and simply deals more damage. Finally, Celes made it into my main battle party; even against Kefka, while I replaced Kain with a more useful character. --Time Master 19:19, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  18. After some agonizing over the decision, my vote has to go to Celes. Anybody with a set of Chuck Norris-like facts is just too overrated, even if they really are awesome. Dogurasu 00:18, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  19. More Silkier is better... LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 01:43, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Just like more of holy magic and well... Well... (Master Lamington 02:05, April 24, 2012 (UTC))
  21. Because she's a soldier, a general, an opera floozy AND a love starved twit Sleepy phoenix 09:36, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  22.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 13:49, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Celes is Final Fantasies first female Atoner. That has got to count for something. --StragusLore 16:51, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  24. I never and still don't get people's obsession with Kain. He's decent at best. One of IV's worse characters, 2nd worse Dragoon. I don't dislike him but that line constantly wanes. Celes however is interesting pretty cool, doesn't have a lame skill set and I'd imagine her hair being silkier since she doesn't wear a big ass helmet all day.--AnonyMan 19:44, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  25. I really like Kain, but I'm going to have to go with Celes on this one. At best, Kain can jump high and do moderate damage ONCE. Celes, with the right equipment, can quintuple-cast Ultima for 6mp. Endgame aside, Celes' Runic ability is pretty useless against Kain, but her ability to self-heal during his jumps would allow her to outlast the Dragoon. --User:Yrusama 02:27, April 26th, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Kain is ok, but overrated i should say. Celes all the way. One of the more interesting characters in VI, and that's a big statement, considering the cast of 6 is one of the best in the series. --User:SetzerLeonhart
  27. Quite possibly the best female in all of Final Fantasy history. Need I say more? Fallen-Todesengel

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 11:07, April 23, 2012 (UTC) Sorry Kain, but Celes's just perfect !
  2. 181.133.17.135 01:03, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 31.205.1.64 19:29, April 24, 2012 (UTC) Did you look the fan arts Drake put in the peanut gallery?? What else do you need??

Votes for Kain[edit source]

  1. My bishy-dar just exploded while looking at this picture. That's really all there is to say on the matter. Jimcloud 22:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Kain Highwind. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 22:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
  3. ^ < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I'm gonna agree with Jim on this one. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 08:17, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  5. In the next remake of Final Fantasy I, Kain Highwind will be an optional boss. The only way to win is not to play. Kain is da boss.Kaintheflaminglancer 15:15, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Because I always thought the opera scene was overrated. Not to mention Jump-spam. User:GenBolt 18:14, April 23, 2012
  7. Kain FTW.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 10:15, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Kain is one of my favourite characters in IV. Miyuron 11:47, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Both awesome characters but my inner FFIV fan boy is screaming at me so i have to vote for Kain.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 14:50, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  10.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 23:24, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Kain is a CHAR! ----BlueHighwind 22:52, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
  12. --Occuria Summoner: 16:32, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
  13. ScatheMote 19:19, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I love Kain. that's enought.93.65.32.227 11:53, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  2. For the sexy. 79.69.204.204 21:25, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  3. To be honest, I partially can't believe I'm doing this. Celes has been my favorite character for time immemorial, and I've only liked Kain for a few years (despite the fact that I played IV shortly after completing VI). However, this landslide troubles me. I knew people liked Celes, but not that much 0_0 Celes does not need my help. Besides, Kain's hair would be silkier XD --71.181.58.148 13:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Kain... Definitely Kain... Hes da boss here! My fav char since I started playing the FFIVCC!!! (And the pic ROX!)
  5. Kain (along with every other Dragoon) is just plain awesome.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

For you all Celes fans out there - enjoy teh awesome. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:12, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Both of these characters are part of my favorites list in the entire series. They both have almost tragic stories, and they are both affected deeply through the course of the games. Violagirl33 00:56, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Landslide! :D Cat 21:11, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's probably because the picture doesn't show Kain as an epic warrior. -_- BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 11:05, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

More whoring for Celes fans :p. Doreiku Kuroofangu 07:11, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Am my eyes be deceiving me? Kain not only not winning but not keeping even in votes as his opposition? Maybe people finally caught on? Wow? Almost as surprising as seeing Krile get votes and win DNC bouts.--AnonyMan 19:46, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 192: Last Man Standing Round 8: Krile Mayer Baldesion v. Seymour Guado[edit source]

KrileCG.jpg
LMS Icon.png
Seymour Headshot.jpg
DEFENDING CHAMPION
KRILE MAYER BALDESION
FINAL FANTASY V
VICTOR - 21 to 11½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
SEYMOUR GUADO
FINAL FANTASY X
DEFEAT - 21 to 11½
Krile faces her toughest test this week as she faces off against Seymour. In this cross-generational clash of good versus evil, who will emerge victorious? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Krile[edit source]

  1. KRI-LE! KRI-LE! ALL THE WAY! ALL THE WAY! ALL THE WAY! Jimcloud 16:36, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I wonder if the dakka girl can beat all 5 of her opponents? Cat 17:07, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Krile: lord and master of the DNC. ScatheMote 17:10, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Krile's going all the way. AquaRake 17:59, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Easy story: Liked Krile, didn't really like Seymour, and I really want to see her go all the way MirrorshardSceada 22:20, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  6. hurr LC 23:15, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  7. --ClixPsi 01:26, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Easy. Chimomo 2:31, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Keep it going, avenge the Ronso's --Pzykosiz 03:14, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  10. If you can read this, you don't need glasses. ----BlueHighwind 03:17, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I think CharacterthatisnotSeymour should win. /nod T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
  12. I don't particularly like either, but she's related to Galuf, thus automatic awesome Absolclaw 08:18, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Krile for Champion! Miyuron 15:08, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  14. ...This is seriously supposed to be a contest? Edward stood a better chance against her. Dogurasu 16:08, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Please, nothing else needs to be said about why Krile is much cooler than Seymour. I want to see more FFV love. --AnonyMan 18:44, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Krile is beast. Sleepy phoenix 10:55, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
  17. For the sole reason that Seymour Flux made every playthrough a misery. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 11:40, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Krile is the offspring of a man who would not give up. Who would keep on fighting even though he had no strength left. That and Seymour Butts has the same name as Seymour Skinner, making all his villianous actions laughable. That and I don't look forward to beating him. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 19:43, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
  19. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 22:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 174.2.21.117 17:24, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Certainly not going to turn my back on Krile now and with such a sorry excuse for a person as her opponent as well. 96.242.217.136 03:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. One, I like Krile. Two, I actually liked FFV. Three, Seymour's last name is almost Guapo (which is Spanish for handsome)...and he just isn't. --71.168.73.72 10:19, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  4. 200.6.183.214 23:11, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Seymour[edit source]

  1. As much as I adore V over X, Seymour was a really great antagonist. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:38, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 17:02, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I vote for the BA Hair. King of 17:19, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I'm voting against Krile for the third and hopefully final time. I'd love to see Seymour crush her, for her poor attempt to replace someone far better than her, as well as being the so-called "perky young girl" like Selphie and Vanille; among other things. Seymour is also a good villain as it is; even though it was rather obvious of his sinister ambitions from the beginning, his persistance and ideals make him interesting. Long story short; I'd love to see Seymour kick Krile off the pedestal too many people seem to put her on. --Time Master 17:38, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
  5.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 07:05, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Come on, creepy guy.--Kierandell1409 12:07, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  7. "Feel my pain! Come, Anima!" BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 22:51, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  8. While Krile is a good character, Seymour is one of the best characters in video games, let alone FF. MystRay 23:19, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I have to say FFV was one of the best games I've played, but Seymour was haus. It took me like 5 tries just to beat is first boss battle against him the first time I played ten. Let alone the other 3 after it. Have to say one the most well thought out bosses ever. --Gainsboroughsephiroth 06:59, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
  10. I stand with my previous argument, best villain ever, and Krile is good but she is not the best protagonist ever, she is just the best protagonist in FFV--Xabryn 12:39, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Anima. e.e (177.106.59.56 23:11, April 15, 2012 (UTC))
  2. He's so annoying and so hard to kill, you just have to love him! This quote helps, too. "If you fall, you'll die" ... Captain obvious strikes again!!!2.102.248.192 15:09, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 85.168.25.252 22:41, April 21, 2012 (UTC) Noooo ! You just can't let him loose to Krile !

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I just want to put out there that I do not in any way share the views of my two co-contributors. (Cecil is lord and master of the DNC, duh.) - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:24, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, it's on now. Jimcloud 17:26, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
Deadlyslash, you forgot to move the onlyinclude tags, which means {{user DNC}} and the home page still said Cid Raines on them. Your argument is invalid. :P Cat 18:06, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
I spent the last 24 hours in the car, give me a damn break. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:09, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

As for voting against Krile because she's not a perky girl, all I'll say is: at least she didn't jump up and down while planning to blow up a train in a civilian-infested area, like one of them. :P Cat 18:06, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm starting to get the sneaky suspicion that people would rather have the current champion of Last Man Standing to keep going than actually have a change-up before the required fifth win... King of 04:32, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

This is a shared concern, and something we will look into. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:54, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Just wanna point out that I voted for Sabin over Cecil. Were someone like Zidane progressing through LMS, I'd vote against them every step of the way. Character > winning streak. AquaRake 05:50, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
It strikes me as part of the equilibrium of the LMS that makes it different from the traditional DNC, and thus worth possessing for a different experience. people vote for champions to make it, people vote against to prevent the creation of more champions, it's an added aspect of voting determination. Jimcloud 11:55, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
For me, that's just really boring though. You have the mindless people who just vote a character to get them five wins, and then trolls (though few in number) who will vote oppose just for the sake of them not. And then there's the denomination who vote for who they like.
All that is different is many of the votes are for an outright ridiculous reason. Different, but better? 79.69.193.95 18:11, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

@Sid - Krile was Galuf's granddaughter, not his own daughter. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:45, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 191: Cid Raines v. Seymour[edit source]

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DNC Versus.png
FFX Seymour Art.png
VICTOR
Seymour Guado
22½ to 27
For today's battle, we have two members of shady, deceitful organizations, with each of our fighters initially seeming to be reasonable authority figures of said organizations. Both eventually betray the party, both are struck down, both are brought back as twisted mockeries of life... But which is worse, the stalker or the politician?
VICTOR
Seymour Guado
22½ to 27

Votes for Cid[edit source]

  1. Silver coat > blue-green clergy cloak thingies. Cat 18:23, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  2. User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 18:45, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  3. The dude Paradigm Shifts! That instantly makes him one of the more fun bosses in the game. And come on, Cid actually attempts to be subtle, Seymour in comparison might as well have a "Kick me, I'm Evil" sign on his back.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Cid at least was very respectable. I mean, he defied his Focus and beat it! Come on!  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 00:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I had trouble deciding. Both are respectable, but I find Cid had a certain... flair. And c'mon, he's a Cid! King of 01:59, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Liked him as a character. His boss battle was also awesome. The Flare Star 7:34, 9th April 2012 (GMT+3)
  7. I'd vastly prefer an interesting character with a good design an an awesome boss fight to an annoying, stupidly designed character with a typical Nietzsche villain beliefs who won't die Absolclaw 08:50, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  8. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 10:53, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  9. The only good looking Cid. He was just...cool. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 14:30, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  10. I just don't like Seymour. Miyuron 15:43, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  11. As much as I hated him (as a boss fight) he is the Cid of the game and therefore should win. Kaintheflaminglancer 00:04, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  12. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 10:46, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  13. While Seymour with his four battles provided some diversity through quantity, the battle with Cid was entertaining as he provided diversity through quality. And in my eyes, quality always goes over quantity. MirrorshardSceada 13:19, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Seymour is over there, I'm over here. ----BlueHighwind 19:28, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I will be honest, I dislike Seymour, however subtracting that bias, Cid really is the better fight. He offers somethign different in the game compared to the rest of the fights, whereas Seymour overstays his welcome. Sure Seymour refuses to die, but Cid was a better character in his own minimal moments. Sorry Seymour, I'm with Cid. Durmer Darc 23:12, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Don't get me wrong, I like Seymour (well, like to loathe), and he's not a bad villain. But Raines is a better, non-villain, antagonist. And has some subtlety. And logical motives rather than warped ones. And dies on his own terms,*(although I'd have preferred him to survive) which gets some cred. Basically, what most people above me (who haven't just voted anti-Seymour) have said -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 09:53, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Oh, huh, I never voted. Jimcloud 22:13, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  18. The coolest character in XIII. Shame you can't play as him.Crunchy Moogle 23:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  19. MMLN メーマウリアン 00:22, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Okay, okay, I've never voted here before - but this one's going to make me vote. As much as I like Seymour, my vote's got to go to Raines, one of my favorite characters in the series overall. He's a man who fights for what he believes in, even when it puts him against the player party - an antagonist, but not a villain. And I will forever hate Barthandelus for what he did to him. Griever-Renzokuken 11:53, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 21:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC) Not that I don't like Seymour, but XIII was my second favorite game after XII, so I'm siding with Cid.
  2. 66.191.103.97 21:10, April 10, 2012 (UTC) Seymour was an obvious villain from the first time you saw him. Cid was unexpected. Cid also looks cooler than Seymour, and had more interesting fights. FFXIII FTW.
  3. 71.203.161.242 21:59, April 10, 2012 (UTC) My vote's heavily skewed. Seymour got annoying after his third fight (which took me at least 5 tries to complete) and just would not die. And his betrayal didn't seem that surprising. On the other hand, Cid's fight was just flat out fun, and it always is a way to test your skills. And his betrayal was actually a shock.
  4. 174.2.21.117 22:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. 200.6.183.214 21:51, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Seymour[edit source]

  1. He may look funny, but I love this guy!  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 18:48, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Seymour was a really underrated villain in my eyes. Guy was completely nuts, had an eerily calm voice that was downright chilling when he was angry, nearly wiped out an entire race, and was nothing if not incredibly persistent. AquaRake 19:10, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I'm mainly voting for Seymour because of boss wise, Raines was a disappointing boss and he one the sad NPC who hardly got any screen time, Seymour did play a important role in X and has some pretty fun and challenging boss things and his final battle theme is one my favorites.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 19:17, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi 19:23, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Mainly for his battle theme. If I was voting on hair, it would have to be Cid, though. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:04, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Awesome theme, awesome forms, awesome(?) hair...  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:14, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I enjoyed fighting Seymour, even if he wouldn't die. He provided a nice challenge, especially at Gagazet. Chimomo 22:30, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  8. This guy had a much closer bond to one of the main characters than Cid did. Cid is only fought once, while Seymour must be fought a grand total of four times. Plus his backstory in the Anima sidequest is interesting. I also found Seymour far more manipulating and evil than Cid was. Cid only fought in order to stand against the Fal'cie, rather than for a crazy idea to wipe the world clean of people to end their "suffering". Therefore Seymour should beat Cid.--Time Master 22:33, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Cid Raines could have been a good villain if they bothered to explore his character more. Sadly he, along with the other villains of XIII, was featured in about two scenes before they killed him. At least Seymour got a fair run in his game. MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 02:08, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
  10. bibliomaniac15 06:04, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  11. There is no challenge Seymour is my favourite main line enemy after kuja in all ff.--AuronTheBest 09:07, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Seymour is one of my favourite villians, mainly because he is CREEPY AS F**K!!!!!--Kierandell1409 09:14, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Kefka may have made a slave of the main character, and Sephiroth killed a main character but Seymour did the ultimate evil and MARRIED a main character! --Sencilia 09:22, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Seymour: he's more of a villain and he wanted to "antagonize" the players. Plus he looks evil, has an evil sound theme that is made into several different variants during the game. This CID is probably the least interesting of the Cids, he's a unimpressive Cid, what a waist. Plus: Seymour, I think Seymour Skinner from the Simpsons, and Tidus is Bart, just a little to over the top.--Lozkaz 00:27, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Best Hair Ever~ CecilAxel 00:36, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  16. "That's not somethign a maester should say" "Then pretend I didn't say it" --Pzykosiz 04:53, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  17. HotTacos7 11:20, April 11, 2012 (UTC) Mainly for the girly voice and battle theme of course!
  18. Dat hair... Haanted 17:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Best villan ever, wish he was in Dissidia--Xabryn 22:06, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
  20. As much as a joke as his design is, Seymour is actually one of the more credible villains of the series. Drake Clawfang (talk)
  21. I took some extra time to make sure I was pressing the edit button. ScatheMote 01:15, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Ujyl 02:33, April 12, 2012 (UTC) 'And stay up there!'
  23. Hair that defies gravity + Not being able to die (bastard. -_-) = Win! BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 07:16, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Your hope ends here... And your meaningless existance with it!. Damn he realy should have been in Dissidia or 012 at the least.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 08:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  25. --Occuria Summoner: 12:14, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Isn't from FFXIII, good enough for me. Also, as lame as he is you gotta admire Seymour's persistence. The Guy just wouldn't stay down.--AnonyMan 19:29, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Mostly because I liked Yuna better than Lightning in Dissidia...but that's such a lame reason ^_^" --71.168.86.97 23:25, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Stupid ironic boss killing me with full-life, and for not dying, then not dying again, then not dying again again...203.118.164.212 07:29, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Huge apologies about the DNC going down today and the fact that a temporary page had to be made. I accidentally deleted the page while clearing out the articles for deletion. To make a long story short, the page won't undelete because the history was too big. I've contacted Wikia, and the fight's being hosted here for the time being. Sorry about that guys. ScatheMote 21:39, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Accidents happen. At least you gave us this "temp" spot to enjoy while you fix the old spot. King of 02:00, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't even know the normal delete function could get rid of a page with that many revisions :/ -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 10:27, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Is it the restoring of the DNC that fails, or the restoring of lots of revisions of the DNC that fails? If it's the latter, then I'd say purge the history of the DNC. If it's not, then I say purge the history of the DNC anyway. :p 79.69.193.112 13:27, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Apparently people <3 having an accurate page history though. Cat 15:20, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Me too. Which is why I can't understand the page merge protocol (why would you want to have diffs that switch between the old version of the enemy page and summon page as if people were edit warring over whether it should be about about the enemy or about the summon?).
But when it comes to the DNC, users have gained hundreds of project space edits each for typing in a hash and four tildes a number of times.
Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer when project space is used minimally for things beneficial to the wiki like policy and stuff.
I think the wiki should get an arena namespace. I <3 that idea. I <3 that idea a lot. JBed 16:24, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Or maybe a 'fandom' namespace to cover stuff like this too? After all, it's not traditional Projectspace (and is mostly dead), but you can't exactly put it in Mainspace. Cat 16:45, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Every single vote that compares how "villainous" these two are is completely missing the point of Cid's character -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 09:57, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I can't fairly vote on this, having not played XIII yet. But for what it's worth, Seymour, as goofy as he looks (and god, he looks goofy), was a pretty excellent character. Very twisted, and even if he was obviously evil the whole time, every moment with him felt like an "Oh shit" moment.

I must agree. Who else can manage that level of nonchalance when casually admitting that you murdered your father?203.109.170.222 10:08, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

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