Fight 170: Kefka v. Ultimecia[edit source]

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Do you like your villains to be crazy or brilliantly calculating? Do you like them to manipulate time and space or is taking madness to a new level simply enough? Do you like your evil ever-present, or completely unapparent until the last 15 minutes of the final CD? Oh the choices! WINNER!
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Votes for the Clown[edit source]

  1. Kefka, definitely. I love this guy so much, I named my kitten after him. Kefka is awesome! --Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless. -A. H . 07:14, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
  2. CardboardBoxMan 03:39, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  3. He say 'inconceivable!', which is actually the famous line Vizzini says in 'The Princess Bride'.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 03:51, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Although I haven't played much of FFVI, Kefka started a lot of things later antagonists would try to accomplish such as becoming a god.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1.png 05:19, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Best evil laugh ever! TheWOL 14:50, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  6. His laugh is awesome.
  7. Kefka has more character than Ultemicia in my opinion plus he's a freaking psycho, who doesn't love him? :P Cunno 11:11, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Greatest. Villain. Ever!! Thats what you wanted to hear from me right?  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 11:17, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  9. The description said it all ケフカパラッツオ 11:20, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Ulti-who? Seriously, given how much Kefka is included in the plot of VI compared to Ultimecia in VIII (I mean, you get to hate him right from the start! That's how I like my Villains to start out!), his obvious insanity and the fact that he actually succeeded in ruling the world for well over a year as opposed to Ultimecia compressing time for only a few hours just make it very hard for me to favor her above him, and thus it is Kefka who receives my vote. MirrorshardSceada 11:28, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  11. I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate Ultimecia (well, sort of...) - DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 19:44, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  12. There's a reason why oppose rhymes with dispose. --BurstDragon 20:16, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  13. --Leon95 20:44, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Like many have said, he's there from the start, so you can love to hate him, he actually ACHIEVES his goal of all-powerful godhoodness, which we can't say for NEARLY EVERY OTHER VILLAIN IN RPG HISTORY. Plus, his Disidia lines are just down right hilarious, even if I hate playing him (long live the Emperor!) King of Noobs 21:05, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  15. I had my friends pick a number between 1 and 10. ...I respect both of these villains. --ClixPsi 23:30, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  16. What the hell is this giveaway? LC 23:33, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  17. I'm from the cult of Kefka. He owns my soul. I must worship him. So i have to vote for him. --FFVIfan 23:35, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Rictisempra 03:26, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  19. How many villains can complain about having sand on their boots while walking through a desert and still be completly evil? Kefka all the way! User:Genesisrocks(UTC)
  20. No contest here. --RazielZero 13:24, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Kefka looks more like a villain and acts like one... the witch is just annoying in Dissidia. BUT Kefka's pure awesome and annoying!User:HighSeraph8:21 March, 30, 2011
  22. i hate hate hate hate hate HATE villains you only see for the last 10 minutes of the last disc Judge Magister Pyarox 22:59, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  23. This one will be one-sided for a reason. Master Conjurer 01:17, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  24. I have not played 6 all the way and I have yet to play 8 but from what I have gathered from 6, Kefka seems like a Joker from Batman gone mad, which is saying alot i suppose. On my PSP, I even have Dancing Mad version from 6 and the Dancing Mad version remix from Tsuyoshi Sekito and Kenichiro Fukui. Both are nice versions to say the least while I only have one version of The Extreme. Time's up for that time witch. bad pun intended. Shinryu1991 03:44, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  25. FREAKIN KEFKA!! Kefka is the greatest FF villain ever, OHMIGOD! --File:Wikia Sig.png (talk) 08:58, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  26. I'm going to go with the villain who did actual damage in their game and didn't feel tacked on.--StragusLore 13:42, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  27. ...I actually played "Final Fantasy VIII"...and when I first got the original "Dissidia," I was like, "Who's Ultimecia...?" She's just THAT bland and unmemorable. Now Kefka...who could forget Kefka?FinalArcadia 18:10, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  28. Oh definitely the maniacal, saddistic clown. 04/01/11, 7:42 p.m.xXdbXx
  29. coolest laugh everrrrrrr Biziorek 04:06, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  30. I love jesters! Mierna 07:33, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
  31. hmm Ultimecia can control time , but I don't think that puts her in league with a psycho clown god. --Gainsboroughsephiroth 01:58, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Seriously? No contest. I mean, on the interwebs, Kefka is argued to be on par with SEPHIROTH.Mynameissora 10:57, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  33. Is this a joke? Well if Kefka's the one making it....GlassAngel13 21:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  34. He IS Kakashi. Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh.gif 13:03, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
  35. His laugh made him so unforgettable :) shinichi_sama 0:32, April 8,2011 (UTC)
  36. He was the first final fantasy character to have a voice you could hear... when he laughed. He also was the ONLY villain to ever achieve Godhood. Plus, he is the only real "Evil" villain with no other objective than to destroy everything with no regard for life... and I love him for it!!
  37. His evilness actually had a driving purpose. To this day I still don't understand how that whole time compression thing was supposed to work. He understood that destroying the world you live in benefits you in no way shape or form!--XOneWingedAngelx 23:26, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Uwee hee hee hee! Exoesqueleto7 17:00, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
  39. Nothing against Ultimecia, but Kefka's probably the best Final Fantasy villain ever. He's the obvious choice in their original games. Sadly his Dissidia reincarnation isn't quite as impressive; it's like he's just a manikin of himself. Ultimecia's "alternate outfit" of Lady Edea made me laugh though. Yrl 23:45, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
  40. Kefka best villain ever!!!! User: Rikku Trepe
  41. It's sad that Kefka's getting anti-fan hate almost to the level of Sephiroth these days, but he just deserves this, simple as that. I will say that Ultimecia is a worthy opponent and deserves more love than she gets, but honestly Zemus did her main schtick (I mean the "acting through loved one" bit) better. capefeather 14:15, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 22:51, April 1, 2011 (UTC) To start, I want to give Ultimecia the credit she is due. Esoteric class (Time Mage), clever plot, strong and beautiful woman. That said, Kefka Palazzo has more personality than many villains, actually succeeded in becoming a god, and ruled for a year over his world. Additionally, his spells are much harder to avoid.
  2. 05:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC) Kefka is a villian, Ultimesia just appears at the end, Seifer is a bad guy ten times better than her
  3. 05:59, April 8, 2011 (UTC)dude, really? this is a one-sided ho kicking contest. how can anyone really vote for that....thing?
  4. 02:13, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for the Witch[edit source]

  1. Someone has to take that bastard down a knotch and being beat by a girl, weeeeelllll...... talk about punishment(snicker).--Vaan008 11:49, April 19, 2011
  2. Has boobies beats not has boobies. --BlueHighwind 04:07, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  3. The Extreme is one of the best musics of the series. -- LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon.png 19:09, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Koharu Nami 04:09, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Dodongray23 06:18, March 29, 2011 (UTC) Playtime is over! :D
  6. 08:34, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Azoonaloc12 09:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)Although usually my vote would go to Kefka, I'm goin with Ultimecia cas shes at the disadvantage, my bet is that Kefka would win seeing as the only villain more popular than him is Sephiroth.
  8. Oh noes my suggestion has made it here :O *opens Corona and celebrates* MMLN メーマウリアン 18:25, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I'm not surprised by lack of love for Ultimecia, but I'll still be loyal to her, especially since I think Kefka is far too overrated. MystRay 19:25, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I have no idea why I'm voting for her. It seems to me that Square got into a stalemate when they made Rinoa the sorceress. BTW, I wanted to be the first one to say this: Ultimicia (Who?) =P SquallRocks 22:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  11. As much as I like Kefka (and as much as I know this battle was decided the minute it was nominated), I like Ultimecia's unique idea for world domination better. If she succeeded, she wouldn't destroy the planet then just get bored, she would rule ALL of time FOREVER, plus the whole becoming a god thing was old before even the first Final Fantasy. Rakanadyo 04:36, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Although I love Kefka, I'm gonna have to throw my weight at Ultimecia. The first Final Fantasy game I played was FF X, and after that I backtracked. Eight was the first one I could get my hands on, and is easily my third favorite in the series (behind VII and X, but don't ask me which one rates higher, you won't like the answer). Final Fantasy VI is the is high up their in my book, and the reason for that is, of course, Kefka. But since Kefka is dominating, and I love VIII so much, my vote belongs here. StarNinja99 That chick that cried! 02:33, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Kefka becomes pathetic after WoB and Ultimecia was really in control the entire game. --SidVI 13:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
  14. Vastly underrated villainess. Especially since people claim she doesn't appear until the end. She appears in DISC ONE, people. Edea doesn't properly appear until later. Ultimecia's there from basically the start. *off my chest*. Rafflesia 13:50, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Kefka's such a one note character he's a more annoying Ex-Death. God of magic gets beat by magic? Ha! Ulti gets lots of undeserved flak. She's a very competent villain and she's got cojones with her idea of Godhood(way above any other FF baddie) and it takes guts to rock a hair style like that and still be considered a threat.AnonyMan 00:47, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Rinoa Leonheart 03:32, April 5, 2011 (UTC) Oh Yeah
  17. Sure--Maverick King 19:03, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Kefka is sooooo annoying, so inately I'd vote for her, and she is more awsome than he Noir Infernal
  19. She is the best female villain ever. --Marluxia13 13:24, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Kefka was more of a joke than a villain in his game. I just couldn't take him seriously. And he is a bad joker rip-off. I don't like Ultimecia, but I am really annoyed with all the hype that Kefka gets. He is extremely overrated. President Rufus Shinra 20:07, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
  21. I REALLY prefer Ultimicia over kefka, first, I don't like weird clowns. Second, ultimicia is a pretty hot witch. Naruuchiha1313 11:27, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 16:25, April 2, 2011 (UTC) Ok, I like both of them but it's Ultimecia who really needs the votes! Plus, I'm a sucker for a tragic backstory, and the fact that Ultimecia was persecuted and condemned for crimes she hadn't actually committed yet (which probably prompted her to become full of hate and anger) makes me feel a little sorry for her, especially as this was so subtly dealt with in the game. Also, she's stylish, classy and, well, lets just say she looks better in that dress than Kefka would... ; ). Plus, I love her tattoos!
  2. I don't know why, but I really like Ultimecia, so heres my vote!# 18:40, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
  3. 19:33, April 7, 2011 (UTC) Ultimecia, one of the best Villains EVER. Her cold, clever personality is awesome.
  4. She is the only villain I almost thought I did not defeat! With her time compression/manipulation Squall and the guys almost never defeated her. Even after defeating her, the party melts into time compression, and I was like *bang!* she wins--totally! Thankfully Squall's love for Rinoa manages to 'bond' the different time strands and time coalesces into a happy ending. Way to go Ultimecia for making the game the ONLY one where I thought all those hours were lost in one, evil, masterminded plan designed to crush (and compress) my innocence!! 00:54, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Side boob, nuff said

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

The only character besides Vivi that seems to be on par with Sephiroth in popularity vs. A character most people hate for some reason from a game most people hate for some reason, the one sidedness is gonna be painful. Rakanadyo 04:31, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

It is so obvious that Kefka is going to win. LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon.png 17:02, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

After all these years people are STILL accusing Ultimecia of showing up out of nowhere at the very end? Really? Seems a lot of people didn't pay ANY attention at all during the game or stopped playing after Disc one. Maybe she should have cooked more crack cocaine and kicked some more kittens to get people to stop hating on her. Next people are gonna start whining that Kuja's ridiculously buff body and rippling muscles are too grotesque and unrealistic.AnonyMan 01:01, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

They are. Everything in IX was made to be more unrealistic. But that's it's charm. I just say the whole cod-piece thing is a little disturbing. King of Noobs 13:23, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
@Anonyman did you complete VIII yourself? she did not appear untill the last 10 minutes of the game Judge Magister Pyarox 21:59, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
What'd you do, start right on the 4th disc? Okay, Ultimecia may have shown up IN PERSON at the end but she was running the show from the start. Her character was established but not shown well before you finally face her.AnonyMan 22:28, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, Ultimecia was possessing Edea from the start. It was HER who attacked SeeD in the First and Second Discs... then she possessed Rinoa then transfered to Adel, attacking the party again using Adel's powers. Then finally in the fourth disc, the party faces her. The only way to truly defeat Ultimecia. Also, i've noticed some people saying that Kefka destroyed the world, Ultimecia didn't. Incorrect again, when the party goes to the future, Ultimecia rules it completely. There's a ton of bodies outside of her castle of former White SeeDs. She already controlled the future and she was trying to rule the past and the present as well. 10x more badass than Kefka in my opinion.FatesChosenHero 26:41, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
I give her plenty of credit - she is indeed a badass woman. However, she also seals her own fate by passing her power to Edea at the very end, thus starting the whole game and throwing herself into a temporal loop, during which she is born, lives, conquers, gets killed by Squall and party, passes her power to Edea, dies, and it starts all over again. Meanwhile, after her defeat, the heroes are all celebrating, having escaped that temporal loop. Besides that, her conquest loses something for the audience, since it is never actually witnessed. Kefka is in-your-face with his plot, giving you no peace and showing off his genocidal tendencies from the start - burning all of Figaro just to get one girl (which failed), poisoning all of Doma, using magic to kill multiple Espers just so he can have more power, blasting the world (right before your very eyes) with the power of the Warring Triad and bringing said world to its knees. Again, Ultimecia is a cold, cunning, cruel villainess in her own right, badass in her own way... but there is a reason people prefer Kefka Palazzo. 01:18, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say sealing your fate in an infinite time loop is SO bad. I mean, it worked out okay for Garland/Chaos for a time. Hell, it's the whole premise Dissidia revolves around. I'm surprised Ultimecia didn't have a more active role in Dissidia. Mynameissora 17:55, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
True! I would have liked to see all the characters given a real moment to shine - thanks to her portrayal in Dissidia, Terra's really not given the credit she deserves, either. In addition to being a badass half-Esper who is turned from a slave-weapon into a powerful woman that discovers herself and her very soul, she saves the party with what would have been the last of her strength if not for that human side of hers. And she kicks Kefka's ass. Terra rocks! XD 23:09, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Well no offense to Ultimecia in general, but I think the major point people are trying to get across here while voting for Kefka, is that it DOESN'T matter if your spiritual manifestation takes over some one's body in the past to get crap done. That's not good enough, they need to see you up close, face first, in the beginning, doing some thing terrible as yourself, not in the body of some other being. Doesn't matter you can time travel or want to rule time itself. I admit that's some what an original concept. Also, Ultimecia kicking kittens would make me hate her, not appreciate her in a liking sense that makes me want to vote and boost her popularity, sorry. The fact just remains that Ultimecia isn't able to shake her tatas in your face till the end and she's nothing more than a puppeteer that needs to use a 'special' girls powers for time compression. --Gunji 04:39, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
That description in your last sentence can make anyone sound unimpressive. Like Kefka is nothing more than a loon who needed to move statues to be strong. Also you make it sound like Ultimecia is the ONlY villain who needed some outside resources and help to help achieve their goals. Every FF antagonist had some kind of assistance to help them out. Besides if Ulti could actually travel herself Time Compression would have already happened. Ask the cast of Tales of Phantasia how annoy time jumping villains are.AnonyMan 22:04, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Kefka also required the infusion of Esper energy and magicite to bolster his powers to obscene levels, but that's actually something in his favor - unlike Mateus (sorcerous Emperor), Cloud of Darkness (embodiment of Void), Zemus/Zeromus (hyper-telepathic Lunarian), Exdeath (embodiment of many evils), Sephiroth (alien-hybrid experiment gone wrong), Ultimecia (time sorceress), Yu Yevon (deity-tick), and many, many, many others, Kefka actually had to earn his power. He had to grow and be proactive in his theft of power - he didn't have it handed to him on a silver platter. Even though the game says the infusion gave him "great magical power," he still has to pull it under his control, just like Celes does. This is just one more point that sets him apart from so many other Final Fantasy villains - and thanks to needing to grow in power, he doesn't come off as a threat until it's far too late. His cunning is downplayed and the necessary experience in tactics and trickery just to get to where he is becomes all but forgotten. I say again, Ultimecia is intelligent and powerful, her plan to take over time itself is a superb idea, but she's also very distant and lacked personality until Dissidia. 06:43, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
@Genji, "...Ultimecia isn't able to shake her tatas in your face till the end..." That says a lot about how you think. Also, I wish this were Facebook so I could like the above comment. :) Mynameissora 18:04, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
@Myanmeissora - Thanks! (I think you meant my comment. Presumptuous, maybe, but feel free to call me out on it. XD) Honestly, though, every character has his or her merits - I'm just an unabashed "Kefkultist." XD 23:09, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

@Mynameissora Yes. I am full of cynical comments. Also, @AnonyMan "Besides if Ulti could actually travel herself Time Compression would have already happened." Yeah that's kind of what I meant. --Gunji 09:48, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe only ONE person voted Ultimecia because of boobs.Mynameissora 10:56, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Because if most people want boobs, they vote Tifa. King of Noobs 13:23, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Give people some credit. Not everyone are knuckle-dragging simpletons. There are also people who prefer the booty instead.AnonyMan 22:33, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I realy like Kefka from ff6 (evil and mad), but I don't like him from Dissidia (to much silly, not enough sinister). I kinda like Ultimecia from ff8 (who/where?), and I realy like her from dissidia (regal). Both are mages. Kefka dresses/fights silly/ugly, Ultimecia dresses/fights cool. Both wants to become gods, but kefka clearly has a better way about it. Hard to say who comes closest tho. Too hard for me to decide. The Rood Inverse 13:16, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Listen to Kefka's Japanese voice actor. It makes everything better. Master Conjurer 15:32, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
So very true, his Japanese voice actor couldn't be better. His English was good, but... meh. Hence, I got the Japanese version of Dissidia 012. Where voice acting is at the peak of brilliance in terms of games. 1stclasswarrior 22:54, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah giving credit where credit is due. Yeah Ultimecia is awesome. Takes control of people from thousands of years in the future. Sets a world in the almost civil war like atmosphere and compresses time to where you could visit your self while you where ten and then see you future and what your future could have been if events changed in less then a 10 mile walk. Thats some epic stuff. Yeah I saw her influence through out the entire game but you didn't really understand this was happening until your on the 3 third disc disk which blows. I like to at least to know who the true villain is at least by the second disc. all the other final fantasies have spoiled me so. Im not dogging on FFVII either I love that game , its my favorite of the series thus far. But Kefka That's is one clown you don't mess with he destroyed many cities before you even had a chance to really gain any true power in the game and all your think is holy crap how am i suppose to defeat this guy. They delayed this game being sent to america due to its difficulty. The japanese deemed this the hardest rpg to beat at the time. By the time you get powerful enough to beat he turn into a god. Which make you characters seem a little lacking. Also Ultimecia in FFVIII had a speech impediment... what kinda super villain has a speech impediment. I dislike that they changed this about in Dissidia --Gainsboroughsephiroth 16:30, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Dissidia in general didn't do a lot of characterss personalities justice to their original incarnations. Only a couple actually were better characterized in it like, Bartz and the nameless heroes.AnonyMan 23:21, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Fight 169: Freya Crescent v. Oerba Yun Fang[edit source]

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Who says being a lancer is a man's job? Both of these ladies do a fine job of it, all jumping about... or maybe just one of them? WINNER!

Votes for the Freya[edit source]

  1. HA!! First --BiggsandWedge 04:21, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  2. --LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon.png 22:07, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Fang tries her best to do a be backstabbing traitor like Kain. Razordash 04:41, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  4. I simply prefer her as a character. 05:04, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Freya is 2x the character and 3x the fighter... Fang doesn't even jump, probably because she doesn't want anyone to see up her dress and find out her 'secret'.Seraphic Star 06:16, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Much as I like Fang, I can not help but prefer Freya. Not because she was more useful in battle than Fang who is a total beast, but because she had the in my eyes more interesting backstory. Also, her "catchphrase" from the opening screen is something that has deeply impressed me, and always will. MirrorshardSceada 09:23, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  7. ClixPsi 09:54, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  8. She is in my opinion the better character and fighter. Keep in mind that I haven't played XIII yet, so I can't really be a good judge yet. MystRay 11:52, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I dislike Dragoon, but Freya is worth of ammiration: Burmesian, Dragoon, woman and a fully-developed character.
  10. ケフカパラッツオ 18:06, March 9, 2011 (UTC) Freya, from the Norse mithology, the Lady, the Goddess of love, beauty, War and Valkyries, in her eternal search for her beloved... VS a tough lesbian? -.-'
  11. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 BfD t/c 19:39, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  12. I think its more impressive that square made you feel sympathy for a rat, than less sympathy for rather two dimensional sex symbol. Plus, it is kind of silly to have a dragoon that can't jump. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 23:02, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Freya has a unique set of commands and is able to jump - Everyone in XIII has potentially the same and fang bored me. Balthierfan 23:31, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  14. She has the best theme ever. LC 08:13, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Lord Noctis 16:42, March 10, 2011 (UTC) Never got far enough to use fang so my vote is for Freya.
  16. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 23:38, March 10, 2011 (UTC) She may be from a lower-powered game, but she's a great character in that game with some nice skills and a personality completely unique to her in the series. Freya was the first woman in the series who was both strong and truly fragile, a soldier who lost her true love in the most painful way possible, by being forgotten.
  17. I love everything about her and her musical theme. Kamukamo 06:17, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
  18. I liked Freya, she was a fun character. President Rufus Shinra
  19. She has a deeper backstory and her own motives vs Fang who's pretty much a 2D char with some "scripted" events. Although Freya isn't that usefull in combat, she's at lest different than the other chars. FF13's char are all the same The Rood Inverse 14:14, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Freya had such a great storyline and she was just awesome in general. Dragon Crest was such a great attack too ZaleraExdeath 08:05, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
  21. FF9 12:43, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
  22. Because one of these is a character and the other is from XIII. Masamune
  23. Rat lady. Enough said. King of Noobs 04:48, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
  24. What Blue said made me change my vote. Kayreeed Caliburn   - 07:29, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
  25. bibliomaniac15 20:00, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Overall a much better character than Fang.....Plus she has a tail! Ruki-Chan 21:29, March 15, 2011 (UTC)#
  27. Michael 01:18, March 17, 2011 (UTC) Freya shes from my favorite final fantasy game so obviously freya
  28. Ffcactuar 8:17 2011 mar 16
  29. Baptiejames 09:17, March 17, 2011 (UTC) Trance = Invincible while attacking and she does it herself, Fang needs Bahamut to be invincible while attacking (Gestalt mode i believe), and while im onto that how does Freya throw down like 20 spears when she only has one?
    +:ZwinHalder:+: 21:27 March 18, 2011/ I ever play her and never play that OYF.
  30. OwlEye 19:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
  31. I'm sorry Fang but I prefer Freya because I didn't know where her face was when I saw her for the first time unlike you~ and THAT was really cool from Freya! Regoli17:19, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Freya went through so much just to find out the love of her life didn't even remember who she was. AND she still went on with Zidane to kill Kuja, carrying her sorrow with her. That, my friends, is a true warrior.Vercery 12:27, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
  33. RenoZellRikku 08:19, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
  34. CidTheFirst 15:18, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
  35. Freya is impressive by the many ways that other people mentioned it. A.X.A 14:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
  36. What? They're tied right now!? Madness! Freya must win for all that is a giant anthropomorphic rat! MarcusKevaulx 16:21, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
  37. Freya is the only Rat Dragoon ,what you expect?? Ursoc and Ursol 16:21, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 22:16, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
  2. 06:11, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  3. 23:45, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  4. 06:59, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
  5. 05:40, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
  6. 10:18, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
  7. 23:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Fang is cool, but Freya is far cooler. 22:12, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
  9. 07:01, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
  10. 13:22, March 20, 2011 (UTC) "To be forgotten is worse than death", that pretty much sums it up. Heck, even Zidane forgot her name for a second there.
  11. 19:23, March 21, 2011 (UTC) Freya's got a composite Red Mage/Dragoon costume. What's not to love?
  12. 20:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
  13. 15:23, March 26, 2011 (UTC)Freya!!!!!

Votes for the Fang[edit source]

  1. Fang doesn't waste anytime lamenting on lost love.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 04:36, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Fang jumps too, she just has to launch her opponent upwards first. And that's pretty impressive, too. Jimcloud 04:55, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Highwind --BurstDragon 05:34, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Fang!!! :D Koharu Nami 13:39, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  5. --Leon95 15:12, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  6. I'm just not a Freya fan.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 15:30, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  7. MMLN メーマウリアン 15:32, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Tough choice. They're both amazing! Fang has the edge though for being the stronger fighter (ignoring Freya's Dragon Crest, which was annoying to power up) and having the better back story. Fang's dedication to her friend is more poignant than Freya's search for the amnesiac Fratley. Yrl 15:38, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  9. In my movie, she's going to be played by Michelle Rodriguez. --BlueHighwind 18:55, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  10. ZazComet 17:36, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Drojanlex 15:59, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  12. She is most pretty ^^Exoesqueleto7 16:02, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  13.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1.png 21:50, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Rikku Trepe fang kills everything with her special move highwind Fang RULES!!!
  15. Fang will always be my top Australian-lesbian Dragoon. SquallRocks 22:38, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Idk, I love both of them, but I really hate how Freya's a rat... and Fang has Bahamut. skygrinder14 17:13, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Squallrocks and Skygrinder14 pretty much summed up what i was gonna say Judge Magister Pyarox 23:15, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Straya. Master Conjurer 00:44, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Her Highwind is one of only two attacks in the FF series capable of doing 2 million+ damage TheWOL 14:49, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  20. FANG!!!! TheCaleumFleuret 05:59, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  21. I'm a fan of both, but it definitely has to be Fang for me on this one. She's amazing! Agent0042 18:17, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  22. For Fang, the hottest chick to cross Gran Pulse and the strongest character in FF13! Munk451 20:04, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  23. She's a badass mofo. XxRikku-chanxX 20:48, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  24. Best character. Best battle quotes. Best attacks. Best stats. Best voice acting. Fang is the BEST!!! - DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 23:09, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  25. I favor Fang over the other! She's sexier, love her accent and powerful! Zeypher 23:44, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Wolfbait117 03:38, March 11, 2011 (UTC)I'll vote for a lady like Fang over some creature any day. Plus, I kinda sorta ABHORRED Final Fantasy IX. I'm just sayin'...
  27. Best character in FFXIII, both story-wise AND battle-wise, IMO. That is all. Equa-Chan 19:51, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
  28. She's Hot... SΓΣamyGoreng "I'm a blabber mouth, i'll report you to this user if you say those thing again BLAH *steamygoreng vomits from disgust*!!!" 02:28, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
  29. But just a little bit better. --RazielZero 09:07, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
  30. Sorry, Freya, but you're a rat. SquallisbetterthanCloud 09:47, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
  31. Rictisempra 15:22, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Her accent is... freaking sweet (I fell in love with Australian accent because of Vanille and her). And her comments are hilarious.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 22:15, March 14, 2011 (UTC)!
  33. A very well written character! She contributes more to the storyline than Freya. Digitopolis 05:22, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
  34. The Almighty Ninja That chick that cried! 17:36, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
  35. --Singing Dragon 20:37, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Fonzyboi 01:42, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
  37. Sexy outfit,voice,body, and every thing else i like freya but she's a rat User:L'cieBeast 2:12, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Fang Fang Fang Biziorek 02:55, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
  39. Cause Fang has Highwind and can do more in a fight than Freya ever can. Cunno 12:27, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Fang is by far the most awesome female dragoon EVAR!!! She has the strongest attack potential in the game, her three sectioned staff and potential in the magician field via saboteur or even ravager says a lot about her versatility. Lets not forget she's also a pretty sweet sentinel. And she's just awesome! She's laid back but still has a sense of urgency to her. She occasionally flies off the handle but she settles down and does enough to support the party.(SPOILERS) Did I mention that she's the one that becomes Ragnarok, a beast destined to cause untold chaos, destruction, and ruin, but somehow ends up saving everyone in Cocoon? Because that did happen.

    Freya is awesome in her own right, and her love story ending on a less than happy ending makes her a more compelling female character. But I've gotta go with Fang, beautiful, badass, staff wielding, dragoon, and a living doomsday weapon all rolled into one. Still don't think she's a lesbian though. I get how it can be misconstrued but, Square Enix is NOT that gutsy, its merely fan interpretation and it adds nothing to the story. At least from my perspective...
  2. Oerba Yun Fang is the best dragoon by far. Her story was awesome and I love how she cared for Vanille like she was her little sister. Fang is also a badass and has Bahamut for her eidolon. 15:33, March 9, 2011
  3. I love love love Fang (and don't get me wrong, I love Freya too). Just a refreshing character, overall really, and she is just such a BEAST in a fight. 22:38, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  4. SHE IS THE BEST!!!,20:24 10, march, 2011, Brazil
  5. 05:41, March 12, 2011 (UTC) Fang is, quite simply, amazing. I love her as a character and as a dragoon.
  6. Oerba is awesome. 12:37, march, 2011
  7. Fang! I like her character design better--you can't tell what Freya is hidden under the hat awkwardly. Plus, she's the 'tougher' lancer. 00:35, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
  8. While Freya is 1 of tha better characters from tha ff series, tha crazy Australian Fang gets my vote!
  9. Fang is amazing!, not just her abilities, but her general attitude to life, and her personality, your no.1 in my book, Fang! 20:59, March 22, 2011
  10. Fang is hot as hell and has an empowering personality to boot! 14:45, March 24, 2011
  11. She is just so cool!!!! 15:33, March 26, 2011

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I can't decide. Both are awesome in their own ways... On the one hand, I liked Freya's love story and her character development, although she was not exactly the best in battle and her appearance was a little disappointing (Burmecians are half rats, half humans... not cool). On the other hand, Fang was really cool both in personality and appearance, but with XIII I felt that every character had a poor development (except Sazh, or whatever it is spelled). Now, I know, Fang's role in the ending is awesome and all. I don't know, I think I would vote for her if there wasn't the fact that she's so hot (which will make her win, probably). Good fight though, much better that some other ones I've seen around here. Crimson Jealous 16:09, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

@TA Fang jumps if you use her full ATB skill: Highwind... Judge Magister Pyarox 23:17, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

This seems rather familiar, once again.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png02:52, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

So what if Fang is lesbian? (and there's not any evidence about it...). Are you homophobics or what? That should not be a reason to vote against her. Crimson Jealous 13:53, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

  1. Lord Noctis 16:41, March 10, 2011 (UTC) Hey has Kain Vs. Fang been done yet?

I want to know how many people actually played XIII. Be honest. SquallRocks 21:59, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

*raises hand* Still playing it. Not a bad game, in my opinion. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 22:04, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Played and completed, you can see if I liked it or not if you read my review, Heres a link to it if anyones interested...  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 22:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Played and ompleted, and I actually liked the game. Shocking, I know. Jimcloud 22:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Beat it with all Achievements. Not gonna do a second run. Story bored the hell out of me. I just don't vote in this sinking ship anymore.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png23:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Still playing it, and enjoying it. Tacodude3 23:51, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
I too am still playing it to kill long gui's and shaolong gui's. i have also got at least one ultimate weapon for each character. I especially liked Vanille and Fang for thier accents and usefulness. TheWOL 13:00, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Now heres another question: If you had to rank this game, will be in your top 5 Final Fantasy's? I absolutely love this game, I think it was better than 8 (shocker) but not as good as 7...Mainly because of no towns. I say it's the third best. SquallRocks 03:11, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely top 5 for me, my top 5 would be, VII, X, VIII, XIII and II. Not in any order and i still replay them occasionally, especially XIII. TheWOL 13:00, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Completely finished XIII and I have to honestly say, crushing disappointment at how it turned out after all the waiting. It's just not a great game. It's not as terrible as I regularly complain but the fact it took them so long to spit out a game without towns, barely any sidequests, no depth, and no replay value and a vaguely understandable lacklustre story is pretty grim. It just saddens me that they made it so beautiful but everything else was such a let down. The developers themselves are aware of how much of a mess they've made too, so I think their grovelling speaks for itself. Ranking it though, it still beats FFII which was shockingly bad. So that's a plus. Hamfruitcake 09 10:18, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
I applaud Squenix for not letting gameplay get in the way of a great story. Isn't that the problem people had with X-2? They create the opposite, and people are still not happy? Master Conjurer 15:43, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

I dont really see why its hated this much, the stages were linear but i didnt mind it still scores high in my top 12 (number 4)) Judge Magister Pyarox 22:18, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Neither do I. I'm a BIG fan. KayreeedCaliburn  - 04:40, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
I just started playing this myself, and frankly, I am loving it. It's nice to have a definitive direction to go in right off the bat (and watching Lightning punch people is frankly amusing.) 20:10, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad to see my favorite character is standing up well against an insanely more well-known one. Fanart anyone? :] BfD t/c 23:36, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Of course Freya will win!! just look at there pictures, Freya has shadow and Fang is not!!

I'm holding a memorial service for the DNC. Everyone is invited. And check this out.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:50, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Stop that. Master Conjurer 23:46, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Fight 168: The Warrior of Light v. The... "An" Onion Knight[edit source]

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Dissidia OnionKnight.png
Warrior of Light
42 to 32½
Somewhat ambiguous... WINNER!
Warrior of Light
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Votes for the Warrior of Light[edit source]

  1. KayreeedCaliburn  - 05:41, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Kamikaze Pardee 05:49, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Lightning Insanity 08:10, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  4. I hate the little shit. Easily the most annoying opponent in the entire Dissidia. SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Shine, Radiant Light, BRIGHT!!!! i love him too, hehhehe. BusterTsurugi2NE1Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 09:04, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Hashire! Hikari yo! Because he looks cool in his 3rd alternate outfit in Dissidia 012 Duodecim Final Fantasy.. --TerraBranford145322 12:04, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  7. The linked articles are from the original games, and Warrior is more useful in FF than Onion Knight is in FFIII. Master Conjurer 14:53, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Hey, sweet, my fight got in! Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 14:55, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  9. He's voiced by Kilik. --Leon95 15:11, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  10. 15:26, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Wtf dude? Is really the Onion Knight up in the fight?? C'mon people, the Warrior is THE HERO! xDDD Exoesqueleto7 13:25, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  12. How can the Onion Knight win over the Warrior of Light? He was defeat Garland! Resh87 14:37, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  13. DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 20:14, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Wasn't really sold on either in Dissidia, and I never played their games, so I'll go by usefulness in combat. I feel that Warrior of Light overall has the edge, mostly because he isn't hindered by lag time when his attacks miss, unlike Onion Knight, who while is indeed fast, when he misses, he's horribly exposed, and I'm better at melee than I am at magic/range. Razordash20:31, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Ltfabretti Dragoon 22:30, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Lord Noctis 00:09, February 23, 2011 (UTC) Tough choice but I'm going to have to vote for the warrior of light here.
  17. I hate them both, like some people here. You can take them out of the whole FF series, and nothing will change; nobody will notice. They're like the Pokemon Trainer in Pokemon. You can name him whatever you want, do whatever you want with him, and he doesn't even say a word. He's just there for you. SquallRocks 00:54, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  18. --Ronaldo Campello 03:19, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  19. You're kidding me, right? This is a man versus a child. Half of the votes for the Onion Knight right now are PITY votes. The Onion Knight teamed up with his friends to kill Cloud of Darkness. The Warriors of Light teamed up to defeat Garland, destroy the four elemental fiends, go back in time, and crush a god. Warrior of Light can't NOT have my vote. Wolfbait117 09:30, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  20. One of my favorites vs one of my most hated. . . obvious whats gonna happen.Blacksnowdog 22:54, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Love this guy! That, and OK's just a kid. idk. Kinda speaks for itself. skygrinder14 21:11, February 23, 2011
  22. Original story-wise, they're exactly the same person, only with an age difference. But, like in American Idol, a youngster like OK has a long way to go. So I'm voting for WoL on this.Mynameissora 12:04, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
  23. I can't vote for a kid whose cleverness consists of running away from Exdeath by begging mercy. Also, in my opinion WoL is funnier to control -although it's true that OK's ninja job is kinda cool, that's not enough. Crimson Jealous 00:44, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
  24. bibliomaniac15 08:37, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
  25. --XxNoctisxx 01:37, February 26, 2011 (UTC)xxNoctisxx
  26. No way I'm voting for Onion Knight against the Warrior. The Warrior is the one that started it all. Not to mention that OK was probably the most annoying character in Dissidia. Lord Knight Xiron 17:30, February 26, 2011 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  27. Michael 14:57, February 27, 2011 (UTC)Ffcactuar 08:53 Warrior of light is the original Ffcactuar 08:56,Febuary 28, 2011
  28. Had to vote for WoL, too awesome not to vote, nothing against the Onion Knight, but WoL completely takes the cake for me this fight, Paladin's are awesome (even if he doesn't exactly count) 10:08 Febuary 27 2011 (PST) User:Vason SilverSword
  29. Not a fan of WoL, since he's such a stuckup in Dissidia, but never played FF3 so.Shinytentacool 22:32, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
  30. they are both lame but at least WoL isn't annoying President Rufus Shinra 19:48, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
  31. Rinoa Leonheart 20:48, February 28, 2011 (UTC)No match WOL wins Oh Yeah
  32. Metroidrules231 08:42, March 1, 2011 (UTC)The Stuck up idiot or the Extremely annoying kid?I'll go with the Stuck up idiot.
  33. c'mon people, who could actually lose to an ONION ?! Injektileur 02:45, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
  34. First time voting in a long time! But yeh going for the Warrior of Light! Looks so much more badass than the onion! Zeypher 06:30, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
  35. WoL has traveled thru time to kill a God while still hold belief to light "Restore the Crystal to Grace!" n not even ONCE doubt his own n only resolution.Storywise,WoL managed to handle his own problem to get the crystal in Dissidia,while OK is saddd.Battle-wise~...omg, can u resist the awesomeness when WoL do his EX-BURST n finish the move with his line,"you are FINISH!", March 2, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Because horned helmets are cool.--Innosense 17:08, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  37. WoL is the first final fantasy character so he has to win User:Keyblader1818 11:338, March 3, 2011
  38. Leonhart VIII WoL is better than some kid called 'the onion knight'
  39. TheWOL Obviously a legendary warrior blessed by the light is way better than a kid knight named after a smelly vegetable..
  40. Sendosune : He's the original hero of final fantasy, onion knight btw is a stupid name for a hero, Now Warrior of light, that's a proper name.
  41. FinalArcadia 18:54, March 7, 2011 (UTC)Because I win more often being the Warrior of Light. And he isn't an insufferable know-it-all.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 22:30, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Because the game he was from started it all....that, and he's pretty darn cool in Dissidia (although I prefer using O.K.)-- 09:04, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for the Onion Knight[edit source]

  1. He's one of the characters I'm quite good with in Dissidia.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 05:46, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  2. III was my first FF. I know he won't win, but he gets my vote anyway.Rafflesia 09:05, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Poor kid. LC 09:20, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Gotta show the little one some love. WoL gets more than enough spotlight already. MirrorshardSceada 09:25, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I never liked WoL anyway--Xabryn 11:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  6. They were both very annoying, but at least he was protecting someone and at least he somewhat changed on his journey. I didn't feel like WoL changed at all. MystRay 11:50, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  7. I liked his voice in the Japanese version. ...That's how indifferent I am on these two. --ClixPsi 13:04, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  8. I'll vote for the little guy today. Alarielle 14:26, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  9. My favorite in Dissidia. Bond em7 14:40, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  10. What MystRay said. Even though he is one of my worst enemy he is a cool little guy. --RazielZero 14:46, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Lets see... He's fun to play, He gets character development and he's from the better game. The only downside is that he's annoying to battle with.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 16:16, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  12. He's adorable!!!! Purple lightning 17:21, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  13. He can change jobs.Mr.Beoulve 19:01, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  14. A vote for my main. Doesn't get much more obvious than that. Sol Vent 20:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  15. I like kids. --BlueHighwind 21:02, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  16. i think you think to much, better quotes, better personality, better game, and my strongest character Judge Magister Pyarox 23:44, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  17. I think that FFIII was a cooler game than FFI and besides, OK just looks cooler. NevikCRN 18:26, Febuary 22, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Trindadex 21:57, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
  19. III provided the first Class Change system in Final Fantasy. In Disidia, the kid is just funny, smart, and quick on his feet. So my vote goes here. Plus, I just love his armor design and pic. King of Noobs 04:21, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Best Dissidia hero. :D Final_Requiem 12:51, February 23, 2011
  21. He is reallllly cute and I love his design! Hige Unari 7:09 February 23, 2011
  22. ケフカパラッツオ 17:42, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
  23. very very tough decision, but based on who I like more to play in Dissidia, i'll go with Onion today MMLN メーマウリアン 23:00, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
  24. Sunpanda2012 05:07, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
  25. so much more customizable ChemistX 20:02, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
  26. I never liked WoL anyway--Drojanlex 02:54, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
  27. OwlEye 20:12, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  28. i win much more with onion knight even all of inward chaos. in my opinion hes the best character for winingTetsuyawatarigani 01:13, March 9, 2011 (UTC)Tetsuyawatarigani
  29. Though I can't stand either, I like OK's Japanese voice as well. xD Hytey 15:21, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 04:45, February 23, 2011 (UTC)Onion Knight is a kid and kicks major ass! He's got my vote (and he's so cute!).
  2. Meh...III was my first Final Fantasy game, so I have a bias towards the kid. Plus he is pretty adorable. ^^ 01:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Onion Knight is the Prince. 20:28, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
  4. 09:54, February 26, 2011 (UTC)Both are them are pretty lame but i hate WoL in Dissidia. He's bad in fights and just so up himself. At least Onion Knight plays well.
  5. Onion Knight can change jobs mid-fight in Dissidia...having access to THREE different jobs=my vote! 11:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Look, the kid is 14 years old and is fighting evil already. What did you do when you were 14? You were still playing the first final fantasy. 01:52, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
  7. like his outfit more178.105.119.215 15:35, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

  1. Can't decide. Who's worse; The arrogant fanatic or the snotty do-gooder? The Rood Inverse 15:01, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
I'd go with snotty do-gooder any day over an arrogant fanatic. Usually better laughs. King of Noobs 04:22, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I can't decide! Unlike my cynical comrades I like them too much to play favorites. If this were FF1 vs FF3 I'd choose 1 and be done with it. One fights a fallen knight and the other fights a nudist with a tentacle fetish. So that clenches it for 3. At this point, call it a draw and be done with it!

Xande was a nudist with a tentacle fetish? o.o oh! you mean that last minute drop-in villain... Judge Magister Pyarox 14:57, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ya know, if you give me about 5 minutes, I could do a Warrior of Light vs Onion Knight battle in Dissidia and post the results on Youtube. Seriously, easiest way to determine the winner here. --Nahara 03:00, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

DNC remains a popularity contest on purpose. Master Conjurer 15:36, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I'm surprised how many people still vote here. If you want OTHER fights, You know where to go. TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png 02:19, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

It's not so surprising, the DNC will always have the largest userbase no matter how many user arenas there are run by whoever. The better run user arenas usually get around 20-30 voters in my experience, which isn't an inconsiderable amount when the DNC gets about 60 and is advertised on userpages via the DNC userbox and on the Wiki mainpage. Also, if TA will indulge me in letting me comment just this once, I'm having Eight-Bit Theater week in my arena! :) Fighter vs Basch, White Mage vs Aeris, come and vote! Drake Clawfang (talk)
You've got a major point Drake. Your arena is probably the most popular, followed by mine and SN's. But 8 Bit Theater Week? I'm there!  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:16, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Well, aren't you hot >.> --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 02:11, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

WOL is generic

Week 167: Ragnarok v. Celsius[edit source]

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Two bright red things that fly by no clearly identifiable source of power, not even those tiny propellers that clearly could not create the lift to carry the bulk of the engine, let alone the ship to which it is attached. I'm going to guess this is a fight dealing with thing-to-thing weapons. WINNER!
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Votes for the Mecha-Dragon[edit source]

  1. Huh. I'm actually playing through VIII right now. Ironically, I'm in Esthar, right before I get this. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 03:44, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Best airship ever!!! </Laguna joke> Kamikaze Pardee 03:54, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  3. --Leon95 04:51, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Silver Mage 09:41, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  5. This thing can actually blow a hole in you, has got two twins and houses one of the best scenes in FF history. WIN. SquallisbetterthanCloud 12:45, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Cooler name. LC 12:46, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  7. because Laguna uses the Ragnarock in duodecim Judge Magister Pyarox 12:53, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Greatest. Attack. EVER!!  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 14:14, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  9. This has already happened somewhere before, but whatever... Ragnarok is cooler even though the game is bad. --RazielZero 15:07, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  10. --ClixPsi 15:58, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Celsius doesn't deserve to lose this badly, but I still vote for the Ragnarok. It's one of my favourite airships of the series, after the Invincible (IX). 16:59, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Rinoa Leonheart 18:06, February 11, 2011 (UTC)OH YEAH
  13. I love "Ride On"... the Ragnarok's theme is fuckin' awesome, dude!!!Exoesqueleto7 15:59, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Drojanlex 18:07, February 11, 2011 (UTC)Ragnarok
  15.  Kayreeed CaliburnDissicon ff13 Lig1.png22:43, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  16. DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 22:45, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Final Fantasy VIII's Ragnorok. ENOUGH SAID. SquallRocks 22:53, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  18. The Ragnarok runs on the Improbability Drive so its far more awesome. --BlueHighwind 02:16, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Both of these games suck, but Ragnarok looks 10x cooler.Mr.Beoulve 04:16, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Lord Noctis 04:17, February 12, 2011 (UTC) Ragnarok looks awesome. Celsius...well not so much.
  21. THE GREATEST ATTACK...EVER!!! Razordash 04:21, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  22. Sorry, Celsius. But Ragnarok is better.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 04:33, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  23. Have to go for the cooler looking vehicle. President Rufus Shinra 20:34, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  24. they are both good but ragnarok has the cooler name. geostigmanite 1:58, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  25. Ragnarok is from the better game, plus it looks cooler. Also, it has the scene with the first renditoin of "Eyes on Me", the best vocal piece in the series. You also have to do most of the game before you get this. MystRay 14:30, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  26. 8 is my fav game outta the series and the ragnarok is a bajillion times betterBartzKlauserV 18:25, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Celsius = FFX-2 and Flamboyent Brother. Ragnarok wins. Lord Knight Xiron 03:05, February 14, 2011 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  28. Rictisempra 16:11, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
  29. ケフカパラッツオ 19:39, February 14, 2011 (UTC) In Italy has been accidentaly translated Lagunarock but whatever is its name this airship really rocks
  30. Staggerus15:56, February 14, 2011 (UTC) IT HAZZ LAZARSS!!!
  31. Ragnarok has awesome offenses. If Celsius had the cannons from FFX's Fahrenheit, I'd vote for it instead. CloakedDeception 04:20, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Despite my love for FFX-2, it's artwork and render is better. If the Celcius was a mini attack for Yuna or something in DD012, I'd vote for that instead. Equa-Chan
  33. Ragnarok duh SkyVanadielWrithe
  34. Looks cooler, got guns, can travel in space, do NOT look like a bike and is from a better game. Name is cooler too
  35. The Rood Inverse 16:05, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
  36. I don't like FF8 or X-2 but Ragnarök references Norse mythology and it is a good weapon in the other gamesUser:L'cieBeast12:39, February 19, 2011
  37. BusterTsurugi2NE1Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 07:46, February 20, 2011 (UTC).
  38. Trindadex 17:12, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
  39. GREATEST ATTACK EVER. . . And it goes in space! Blacksnowdog 05:23, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
  40. I like the music Purple lightning 11:35, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
  41. Ltfabretti Dragoon 00:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I love the Ragnarok.. as much as I love the Celsius, the Ragnarok is something nostalgic to me (like the Highwind is for so many others). 04:35, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  2. The Ragnarok is essentially a spaceship that can also act as an airship. Plus, it has an intro cutscene that leaves Celsius in its wake(pun). Ragnarok wins!(pwn) 04:47, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
  3. The Ragnarok is just found floating out there in space; it's mysterious. Plus, you had to earn that thing! Scurreh aliens is scurreh. -- 12:50, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for the Cyber-Cycle[edit source]

  1. Wow, first comment! I'd would have to say the Celcius is awesomer and basically its in my favorite FF in the series, Final Fantasy X! You can use it to travel anywhere you want after having control of it and it helped against the fight Evrae aboard it. I also like it because it resembles Fahrenheit, the ship you took to see Tidus at the end of FFX-2. --TerraBranford145322 10:50, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  2. MMLN メーマウリアン 18:04, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Vote for the Illegitimate Love-Child of a Ferrari and a Harley --BiggsandWedge 18:27, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Go Gullwings!!--Xabryn 00:11, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  5. The temperature scale of which it is named after is more useful to chemists. Mine is clearly the superior reasoning. 8bit 04:41, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Master Conjurer 15:46, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Because I never got far enough into FFVIII to use the ship, and FFX-2 was great. YKProductions 23:39, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. My votes for the original red spaceship.-- 14:06, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
  2. 05:48, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

First vote for Celsius. Somebody obviously don't see the difference between FFX and X-2, or in this case- Fahrenheit and Celsius. SquallisbetterthanCloud 12:50, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Bad landslide here.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:15, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Next fight please! SquallRocks 22:44, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Please don't start that up again. 1, it's early. 2, it's annoying every time. Master Conjurer 16:11, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
3, it does not make the next fight appear earlier. Seriously, it's here when it's here, just show a little patience. MirrorshardSceada 16:16, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
4. The DNC is a shadow of its former glory. Hence why I'm surprised there are still people voting here. 5, I guess would be TA updates when he can.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png01:58, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
6 It was a joke...sarcasm is too hard to type. -___- SquallRocks 02:18, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Week 166: Materia v. Magicite[edit source]


39 to 28
Lets be honest, there's not a good picture of Magicite, but they seem to be glowing orbs of magic. What else is? Materia? So what do you like better? Can you make this complete arbitrary choice? WINNER!
39 to 28

Votes for Materia[edit source]

  1. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 03:34, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 06:07, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Looks like a box of materia rather than magicite along with materia, but whatever, I was voting materia anyhow. Razordash08:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Yesh, Razor, it's a box of Materia in Advent Children.  Kayreeed CaliburnDissicon ff13 Lig1.png08:45, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Funner to use. --Leon95 15:34, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Just don't touch Yuffie's!!! - DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 19:21, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  7. 21:17, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Because I'm the 7th vote! SquallRocks 22:46, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  9. Picture is shiny. *_* Koharu Nami 22:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I cannot make this completely arbitrary choice. --BlueHighwind 23:35, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  11. MMLN メーマウリアン 15:07, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  12. I like the materia thing more because it's more tactical Cyruny 18:51 29.01.2010
  13. It gives you more than just Espers. MystRay 18:07, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Final Fantasy 7 is the better game so i pick this oneUser:L'cieBeast 4:58, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  15. RenoZellRikku 23:40, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Materia has more diversity. --ClixPsi 20:53, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
  17. I never played 6. THat, and I like picturing myself using Materia. Skygrinder14 19:58, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Materia allows for more customization. the materia in crisis core can make you rediculously overpowered Hell Firaga paired with a status effect materia is awesome. though I like the story behind magicite Materia is more fun and powerful. User:Genesisrocks
  19. The only good materia in 7 was cure and the yellow materia :) But it's better than Magicite FinalFantasyAerith 17:41, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  20. I'd have to cast my vote for Materia. While Magicite is perfectly fine and all for using magic and summoning, Materia is much more versatile, encompassing magic, summons, special attacks, special abilities, and just general stat boosts, and linking them together allows for even more versatility. --Nahara 18:37, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  21. I'm voting for Materia because you can use the abilities of the materia without the needing to master it, but with the spells of magicite, it's not so, I mean, you must learn the ability before use them, and that's kinda boring. Garlandthunderstorm 19:00, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  22. --No.i 19:58, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  23. OMGzerz!!!! It got mentioned! I made this!!!!! YAY!!!!!! Oh yeah...Materia Rules! #Ultimecia82 20:37, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  24. The Black Materia is as good a reason as any why Materia > Magicite. Well, that and the fact that all Magicite items that we got to use in XII had a penalty that made them useless....Key of Destiny 01:04, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  25. Rictisempra 16:08, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Kamikaze Pardee 16:20, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Fluff-wise they're equal, but I love the system and the versality it gives. The Rood Inverse 16:22, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  28. --XxNoctisxx 01:03, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
  29. Mo' Combos, Mo' better. President Rufus Shinra 00:03, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
  30. W-SUMMON.Enough said. Anna Cketo 16:41,February 4,2011 (UTC)
  31. Hytey 14:44, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
  32. BusterTsurugi2NE1Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png17:09, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
  33. Materia offers more freedom, so that's the way I'm going. I also am not particularly fond of having to switch the magicite that i'm learning something from to the one that will give me boosts in the stat I desire to raise. It seems like ever since Final Fantasy IV came out they had this brilliant idea of giving me a bonus for wearin something during level up. It's got to stop.Discordius Erisianus 09:32, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
  34. The materias rules all!User:--Cloud Strife-- 10:38, february 5, 2011 (UTC-3)
  35. ケフカパラッツオ 10:05, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
  36. I like materia Darkedge1111 20:17, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
  37. Materia allows you to unequip useless magic therefore it is better! ShadowCatuse 01:48, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
  38. I like the way Materia and the Lifestream are connected in FFVII. Also, the way it looks like and it is used by Kadaj and the gang in AC. Remuscl 12:43, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
  39.  Xaner Dissicon ff7 Sep3.png 19:53, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Magicite[edit source]

  1. Regoli 08:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Xabryn 10:54, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  3. At the risk of accidentally being in the majority when this ends... Master Conjurer 15:24, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Mostly for the fact, that the story behind Magicite (Essence of dead Espers) is more tragic than the one behind Materia (Crystalized Mako). Other than that, I'd consider both of them roughly equal all in all. MirrorshardSceada 19:14, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  5. My vote goes to Magicite, because it's so much fun to kick around the map in Crystal Chronicles and doesn't come with any negative side-effects. King of Noobs 19:16, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  6. One you've learned the spell, it stay's with you forever.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 22:49, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  7. I cannot make this completely arbitrary choice. --BlueHighwind 23:35, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  8. FF6 story-element FTW. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 23:54, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I don't like the thought of putting crystallized things inside your body. Magicites are cooler. Kamukamo 12:03, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Because with Magicite, you wont have to worry about Yuffie stealing it all the time.Lemarius 20:34, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
  11. What MSS said. --RazielZero 14:58, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Magicite isn't limited to one series like materia (found in 6,11,12,CC compared to 7 comp)Balthierfan 10:54, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  13. because i discovered you can summon espers with these at Kefka's tower (i know fail xD) Judge Magister Pyarox 17:50, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Story reasons. - Metusylc0304 20:25, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
  15. FFVI >>>>>>>>>> ffvii LC 09:13, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  16. This is totally unfair because FFVII is way too overrated and everyone thinks Materia is cool and few people know what Magicite actually is. But Magicite is WAY awesomer because it can cast several spells AND a summon, while Materia can only do one thing at a time. Please. Mynameissora 13:29, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Mmm, difficult choice to make, but as it's been written above, the story behind magicite is even more touching, so... Injektileur 15:25, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  18. You aren't limited by equipment slots with Magicite! A vote for Magicite is a vote for efficiency! MissRora 22:25, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Mmmm... I just hate the materia ^^ Exoesqueleto7 18:04, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Honestly? I like how magicite looks and sounds more organic than "Materia". --Marael 00:37, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Drojanlex 14:04, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
  22. OwlEye 22:02, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
  23. Lightning Insanity 17:54, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
  24. Mr.Beoulve 12:10, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
  25. Silver Mage 12:54, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
  26. The history of magicita is more awesome than the materia's historyResh87 15:59, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Because of the scene with Kefka. "I'M KILLING ESPERS!" And because Materia looks painful, and unoriginal. 1stclasswarrior 12:23, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Magicite FTW 0:40, January 30; 2011 (UTC)
  2. 21:07, February 10, 2011 (UTC) Magicite over Materia. Not only did it grant permanent bonuses, it is better in story, as well. Materia is mass-produced and takes away from the very feeling, the very soul of magic; Magicite is the very soul of an Esper, making it unique and interesting.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I think I've seen this done in one of the user arenas.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png05:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I was going to do that in AAV...KC sig.PNG TALK 08:34, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Magicite? Why not make it Materia vs Junction? SquallisbetterthanCloud 13:32, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Because Materia and Magicite are both forms of magic stones that enable the player to summon and cast spells. Junction has far less in common with Materia. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 13:36, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't say that, Both Materia and Junction are highly customisble, allowing player to use a lot of different stuff, while Magicites only gives you magic and small stat boost. That makes Junction more similar to Materia. SquallisbetterthanCloud 13:46, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Eh, it was the suggestor's idea. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 13:48, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
If you want to see a fight that hasn't happened yet, suggest it on the official page. Master Conjurer 15:18, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
I hope no one minds that I fixed up the Anonymous Votes for materia. The fact that it didn't have numbers was kind of bugging me. It looked weird. --Marael 21:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
The whole voting sections looked weird to me yesterday. All the voting sections were all on one side. KC sig.PNG TALK 22:58, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

After reading Mynameissora's vote, I must say I disagree with him/ her. I believe everyone here has played Final Fantasy VI, as it's also one of the most popular Final Fantasy titles. We know how magicite works. Discordius Erisianus 14:35, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone else noticed that BH voted on both? Remove one of them. Materia, preferably. 1stclasswarrior 12:21, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Fight 165: Kefka v. Balthier[edit source]

DNC Versus.png
Now this may seem like a bit of an unfair fight, but we're going to handcuff our contestants to a chair and take away all their fancy guns and see which can best the next with a battle of wits, turns of phrase, and just sheer charm. WINNER!

Votes for the Mad Clown[edit source]

  1. Love both, but Kefka may need the votes more. Both have great lines. Razordash 23:45, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  2. I gotta go with him if only for his depiction in Dissidia. His lines are just so FUN. :3 Then he's a psycho killer bastard and I feel bad liking him so much but you can't help it when his voice acting and lines are that awesome. Dazuro 23:48, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Theres nothing I don't like about Kefka, I can probably say that he's a candidate for my favorite character of all time.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 00:04, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  5. --No.i 01:00, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  6. This a joke? If yes, then Uwee hee hee hee... SquallisbetterthanCloud 01:37, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Kefka never used guns (?) nor would never even need to. All he need do is snap his fingers and Balthiers insides roast like a Thanksgiving turkey. I mean, he is the God of Magic right? Still crossing my fingers for epic Vivi vs Kefka matchup in Duodecim. Adelbert January 13, 2011 9:35 P.M. EST
  8. Son of a submariner! What more is there to say? Sleepy phoenix 03:13, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  9. For me he's the scariest character of all, so I vote for him. I'm almost shivering when I here his laughter. Cyruny January 14, 2011 11:26 AM
  10. for me as soon as he said "theres a reason 'oppose' rhymes with 'dispose' if their in your way kill them. sorry Balthier I like you and all but Kefka wins all! User:genesisrocks
  11. Master Conjurer 15:25, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  12. You look like pages from a self-help booklet! Of course Kefka!!!Garlandthunderstorm 16:14 January 14, 2011
  13. Rictisempra 00:45, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Kefka looks at Balthier for the first time: "I SEE A POSER (literally)!!"SquallRocks 02:54, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Being trapped in a room with Kefka without even something to kill yourself with is going to drive anyone crazy.Mynameissora 04:53, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Joker...? LC 06:15, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  17. He's like one of the greatest villians ever! How can you not vote for him? --W13opa fan 15:57, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Erenthedannyboy1 18:43, January 15, 2011 (UTC) Vote! Vote! or you'll be kicked off the boat!
  19. Much as I like the Leading Man, he just can not compare to the jester of death, the god of magic, to the one and only Kefka. Uweeheehee!! MirrorshardSceada 20:11, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Kefka is one of my favorite characters, and best villain ever, srsly. Balthier is cool and stuff but nothing else. Kefka is EVERYTHING, also..he has sand on his boots. Balthier: *dusts kefka's boots* Kefka: uwee hee hee.. IDIOT! --FFVIfan 16:31, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  21. ケフカパラッツオ 01:37, January 17, 2011 (UTC) Come on! Balthier ACT to be cool, Kefka IS NATURALLY cool an followed by fans that loves him by the way He is, btw He doesn't want to appear charming, He prefers to be feared or at least worshiped as a god
  22. I vote for Kefka because I mean seriously I don't think Balthier ever became a badass god so that's why I vote for Kefka. LightningOdinXIII 20:49, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  23. Kefka is nothing but hatred and vice. That's why he rules Injektileur 15:24, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
  24. love them both but going for the clown(actually hes a jester but w/e), simply because hes the best villain of all and comes from the best FF of all Judge Magister Pyarox 21:21, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
  25. There's no doubt in my mind it has to be Kefka. There's a snake in my... no wait, there's sand in my boots! Agent0042 23:05, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Kefka is definatley the best choice. First off he's one of the best final fantasy villans. Second off I personally don't like 12 and I know alot of people who don't even like 12 and thats why they would pick kefka Ciccoslovakia
  27. No contest. Literally no contest. Rafflesia 00:02, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
  28. ApatheticAngel 06:05, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
  29. Myself 123
  30. Japanese voice actor is awesomeness incarnate. KujaRhapsodos 02:34, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
  31. Balthier is cool, but Kefka is iconic. Nokareon 09:38, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
  32. All though the lack of viera and lame behavior in dissidia, he's still one of the few who have destroyed the world and doing it while laughing! He is a FF Icon, somthing Balthier never will be The Rood Inverse 16:03, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
  33. Umm, Kefka destroyed the world and made Final Fantasy VI his own despite having great characters such as Celes, Locke, Terra, Setzer, Relm, Strago...the list could go on. Balthier stood out from what, Vaan? Violawes 08:01 January 21, 2011 (UTC)
  34. The Angel of Death vs a complete nobody, not much of a competition here. Final_Requiem
  35. --Otherarrow 12:44, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
  36. --CookiePinguy 22:13, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
  37. DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 12:25, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Kefka wins no doubt about it, he achieved godhood, and in my book, a god beats a guy with a gun anyday. DarkVoid 10:15, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I'm sorry, but who's Balthier? # 21:18, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. 21:14, January 14, 2011 (UTC) Kefka is my favorite villain
  3. 23:13, January 14, 2011 (UTC)Kefka has about as much charm as a laughing hyena with mange but he's funny, outrageous and evil in such a delightfully impish way! He also hails from a far superior game. FF XII was just so, so BORING! Not even Kefka could have saved it...
  4. 11:38, January 17, 2011 (UTC) Kefka is my favorite villain in the series, and though i like balthier, ff12 is probably my least favorite, while ff6 rocks
  5. 00:21, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
  6. 02:30, January 28, 2011 (UTC) Kefka wins hands down, he's unpredictable and ruthless. He's hilarious and scary. While many new characters will coast on brooding and good looks, he goes above and beyond in his role as a villain. It's rare to have such a great antagonist, but cocky wing men are a dime a dozen.

Votes for the Leading Man[edit source]

  1. The only thing Kefka can do better is laugh and that won't beat The Leading Man.CardboardBoxMan 23:37, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  2. --Leon95 23:40, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  3. --ClixPsi 23:41, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  4. He's less scary. Koharu Nami 23:46, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Kefka's not witty, charming and he couldn't turn water to ice let alone a phrase. Balthier's a schmuck too, but compared to Kef he totally ahead in the character department.AnonyMan 23:49, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  6. By far the better character. Not just because he's from the better game. MystRay 23:51, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  7. I like Kefka as a villain, but he's just too creepy. Thus, my vote goes to the leading man. King of Noobs 00:33, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  8. BlueHighwind: Yo.
  9. KC sig.PNG Caliburn.png 11:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Balthier is just way too cool for this vote anyway..~ --TerraBranford145322 11:55, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  11. --BusterTsurugi2NE1 12:16, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Is anyone suprised ->Balthierfan 16:48, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  13. --Xabryn 18:14, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  14. The Leading Man never dies. Enough said. RenoZellRikku 20:03, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  15. He's the leading man! Guys want to be him, Viera want to be with him. Skygrinder14 16:37, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Sunpanda2012 01:27, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Sorry. but Kefka is an overrated joker copy. And the Leading Man is the one that made XII what it is President Rufus Shinra 17:21, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  18. A very difficult decision. Kefka is one of my favourite characters, but Balthier is certainly a better developed character. I also suspect that he will need the votes. 03:32, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  19. C'mmon people! Kefka is the maddest of the villians but... Balthier is the Leading Man! lol Exoesqueleto7 13:36, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Love Kefka, but Balthier has all the best lines, and the best voice actor, in XII. Plus he's pretty dapper. --Uktrayf 02:04, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  21. No dought about it balthier is friggin awesome between all of his awesome lines plus he has the most bad@$$ quickenings in the game--User:L'cieBeast 12:29, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  22. Equalising. Hamfruitcake 09 21:16, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  23. MMLN メーマウリアン 22:53, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
  24. To be honest, this vote is not for Balthier. It's not even against Kefka. it's to help balance out votes by people who fail to realize both guns and magic are disqualified from this fight. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 01:50, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
  25. Good guy > Bad Guy. A.J. two (Smashboards) 18:06, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
  26. I'm going with Balthier. Why? 1. I don't know Kefka (as a Final Fantasy player). o.o 2. I'm sure Kefka would go insane in less than 5 minutes in this battle of wits and phrases. XD User:Revyielle 08:58, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Balthier is sexy and charming. This isn't even a question; Kefka is nowhere near as cool as Balthier is. Portquel 17:33, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
  28. For shits. And to cause temper tantrums if Balthier actually wins. BfD t/c 03:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
  29. I absolutely HATE Kefka. -Der Eins-Geflügeltes Engel @ 15:53, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
  30. I haven't had enough time with FFVI but FFXII is a great game and Balthier made it even better. Kamikaze Pardee 00:07, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
  31. What kind of a duel is this? obviously the leading man always wins his fights.--Uzuki18 17:59, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Kefka sucks a lot. Thankfully back then you didn't need a personality in order to be considered a good character. Those times are gone. Good ridance. Discordius Erisianus 01:51, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
  33. I think Balthier is slightly overestimated and thus is always put into fights where he loses against deservedly better characters. However, playing Revenant Wings over winter break reminded how much rage I had when I had to play as Vaan for 8 chapters instead of Balthier. The words "sheer charm" also apply more accurately to the leading man. 8bit 01:24, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
  34. Tie OwlEye 20:17, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
  35. People fail to realize he is not the "leading man" but the support role to Basch! But I like men who's ego is so large they trick themselves in to believing that are the S#!%.--KiraArik 21:53, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Ooohh, been a while since I voted. Balthier, for sure. wee187 02:19, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
  37. Balthier brought a lot of awesome to FFXII. He is a sky pirate and Kefka is a clown. BalthierTheNobody 23:58, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Everyday Balthier finds new and interesting ways to kill a god C-c-c-captain Combo! 22:58, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
  39. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 05:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I hate both these characters. Kefka is friggin' annoying, but at least Balthier has a British accent. 16:34, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  2. My vote goes to the leading man (and one of my favorite FF characters of all time!).
  3. -- 19:22, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. I will always love you, Balthier. For your charm, wit, and sheer awesomeness 19:52, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. If this is truly a battle of wit and charm, then my vote has to go to Balthier, the Leading Man! Plus he's one of my absolute favorite FF characters of all time. 01:17, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Well, Balthier is pretty hot... 17:00, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Balthier is so hot... 23:01, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

You take away Balthiers gun you might put him at a disadvantage... Kefka can fight at a distance too. :/ Razordash 23:49, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

o_o <-- That is all I can say to this fight.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:09, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Charm and wit, huh? You're comparin' the charm and wit of a mad, court-jester looking villain to that of a troubled noble turned hero. This is gonna be a weird fight. King of Noobs 00:36, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hell, man! That's a battle of quotes! It's very hard!... "Life...dreams...hope...Where do they come from? And where do they go? Such meaningless things...I'll destroy them all!"... "I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies" .... Both are fuckin' awesome! it's a hard election ^^ ^^ ^^ Exoesqueleto7 18:23, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

What. DiamondEdge 15:41, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Uh, am I supposed to point out that Balthier has magic too? Besides, this is a battle of PHRASES, WITS and CHARM, not a literal battle involving actual (to them) pain. Nonetheless, best of luck to both our contestants. =D User:Revyielle 09:06, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Kefka may actually cause physical harm to any mortal by sheer force of his insanity. But then again, Balthier is no ordinary mortal. Mynameissora 13:54, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like we're gonna end this one in a tie. Good fight, nice an' close. King of Noobs 16:17, January 18, 2011 (UTC) ANOMANOYS balthire is Awsome These "fights" are extremely stupid. Whoever picks them must not have a brain.

Somebody please explain when a new fight comes. Is it really random? SquallRocks 22:59, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Confusing licensing explanations aside, the DNC practically belongs to TacticAngel. New fights go up when he puts them up, and sometimes he has more time for it than others. Master Conjurer 15:43, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
Thank ya! SquallRocks 22:47, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I wish I had seen this fight a week ago, I'd have voted Kefka. The fact that he's similar to the Joker from Batman means that he's awesome. But then again, Balthier IS the leading man... Axel-burned 3:18 January 29, 2011

Fight 164: Barret Wallace v. Sazh Katzroy[edit source]

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37 1/2 to 27
Both of these guys are black. They both use guns. They both are a great example of how Japan struggles with breaking stereotypes, but people like both of them for different reasons. WINNER!

Votes for Barret[edit source]

  1. I think of two thing when i see this 1.GET TO THE CHOPPA!! and two 2.MR.T IS GONNA PUNK YOU UP FOO! Shasha.gif ChronoKai-FinalBattleArena
  2. --Leon95 16:42, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  3. One of my favourite characters. He may be a stereotype but he's a loveable one Kisswithatear 17:06, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Barret may be an angry foul mouthed bear in a marshmallow suit, but he can take a beating and give it too. User:skycoston
  5. THE ORIGINAL. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 19:11, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  6. I really don't care about these two, so I'll vote for the side that is currently losing. 19:59, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Barret is actually completely useful throughout the entire game and his limit breaks will destroy anything ZaleraExdeath 21:49, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Mr.T sez "#@%&" or something like that, cuz dai gotta get off this muthaf***in' train, get me? Also, Mr.T will steal your soul. If he hasn't yet, that's because he is currently stuck in a battle to the death with chuck norris. Get me, foo? Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh.gif 22:01, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  9. People can bash Barret all they want due to 'not having any character development' but for the time when FFVII came out, he had more than enough. I do like Sazh as well, but Barret and his gun-arm are just a little more memorable to me. Kamikaze Pardee 01:10, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Definitely Barret. He's a stronger party member and I think he's much more memorable. Sazh was just ok to me and his most redeeming trait was the chocobo in his 'fro. User:PlasticUfo 21:31, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Lord Noctis 05:04, January 3, 2011 (UTC) His arm is a gun, need I say more?
  12. Take it from him, Mr. B. LC 08:10, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Better game, better story. More hilarious. Legend-wait for it. Hamfruitcake 09 17:38, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  14. He has a gun for an arm. WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR!!!!SephirothHighwind 22:36, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Dodongray23 11:36, January 4, 2011 (UTC) I'm more familiar with him... :D
  16. Obviously Barret He's a walking tank.HolyTezza13:42, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
  17. I love the XIII but this is getting ridiculous. >:[ Koharu Nami 15:35, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Barret rocks!!!!!One more for him.User:--Cloud Strife--21:06, January 4, 2011(UTC-3)
  19. Barret is the better man here. I never got why people like Sazh. President Rufus Shinra 12:22, January 4, 2011(UTC)
  20. -dary. Legendary. --CarloGrimaldi 21:02, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Hard to decide, but Barret was easily one of the most quotable characters of the series. All of the train-related quotes, and especially King Vermin.
  22. I love that they went OUT OF THEIR WAY, to make him even more like Mr. T in AC --BiggsandWedge 16:16, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
  23. Haveanicedays 07:54, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
  24. KC sig.PNG Caliburn.png 04:24, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
  25. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 23:28, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. -- 16:42, January 4, 2011 (UTC) Gotta go with the best
  2. 13:40, January 10, 2011 (UTC)Sazh was OK, but c'mon, it's BARRETT!
  3. I know many will agree when I say Final Fantasy VII was the absolute best at character development. As opposed to most FF games where there was only a handfull of memorable characters, FFVII delivered an entire batch of original characters that were simply unforgettable. Sorry, Sazh, but your afro just can't compete with a human tank with a gun-hand and actual character development. # 20:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
  4. -- 10:22, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for Sazh[edit source]

  1. 1st :P MMLN メーマウリアン 16:38, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  2. 2nd d: Master Conjurer 16:51, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Chocobo. In. His. HAIR! King of Noobs 16:58, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  4. I never liked Barret. SquallisbetterthanCloud 17:10, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I've never played XIII, but I know that Sazh is better than Barrett. MystRay 18:21, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  6. At least Sazh is well-developed - DFF Cosmos Piece.png The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece.png 21:35, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  7. I felt like I had to vote for someone, so... Garlandthunderstorm 19:28, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  8. even Mr.T cant beat the afro Judge Magister Pyarox 21:50, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  9. One of the best developed characters in the series. --ClixPsi 22:18, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I just conquered VII yesterday for the first time, and the only thing I remember about Barret was, "!@@&*$# Shu'up Foo'!" SquallRocks 03:22, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 23:01, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  12. He was supposed to win MMII. BfD t/c 23:50, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  13. BlueHighwind: AFRO. FEAR IT.
  14. I'm almost done with XIII, I'm at Orphans Cradle and I've used Sazh The Entire Time!!  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 09:26, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  15. The only character that made any emotional impact on me, across the whole of XIII Vegna Gunner 12:51, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  16. No challenge here. A.X.A 14:57, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  17. He's got a Chocobo in his fro and his pistols turn into a freaking rifle! Rictisempra 17:02, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  18. If you need a reason for this vote, feel free to go over the MMII final's comment box. MirrorshardSceada 18:11, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  19. There's a chocobo in his hair. XxRikku-chanxX 20:14, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  20. No brainer. Sazh was my favorite character in XIII, and his development and character are way more fascinating and less racist than Barrett. Nokareon 21:32, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  21. That afro is amazing. bibliomaniac15 22:14, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  22. This, eternally -- Sorceror Nobody 23:00, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  23. AJtwosig.gif 23:05, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
  24. I havent play FFXIII,just a little and i go for Sazh,i am more familiar with Barret but i vote for Sazh.More polite character ;a User:Anna Cketo 10:43 January 4,2011 (UTC)
  25. Hard choice, but Sazh for me is just cooler. Plus he keeps a chocobo chick in his afro, and that rocks. Agent0042 21:05, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Come on a Chocobo in his Afro! Ilona eggy 15:34, January 5,2011 (UTC)
  27. He's the coolest FFXIII character and i like his chocobo^^ Cyruny 17:28, January 5,2011
  28. I like Barret, and I really dislike XIII but Sazh is one of the better characters. Also his English VA is the BLACK MUTHAF!@#IN' BARON! Stop staring. That's just so hilarious and awesome sorry, B-Man. But drive-by Gestalt? Really?AnonyMan 20:21, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
  29. CardboardBoxMan 00:40, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
  30. Sazh's role helped ground and "humanise" the entire FFXIII story and stop it becoming pure fantasy jargon - I like Barret, but his role after Cosmo Canyon (or arguably, after Midgar) was very marginalised.--BADavid 23:14, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
  31. chocobo in his afro!!!!!!!! And he has an afro and I always think people with afro's are legends!!!!!! Purple lightning 09:29, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
  32. I LOVE Sazh's afro XD so I Vote for him and his baby chocobo, too~!! Regoli11:24, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
  33. There can only be one and the best choice, in my opinion, is Sazh, not only does he have twin pistols and a chocobo in his afro of DOOM he has an awesone theme as well. Uoper12 04:37, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
  34. like it's been said above, I think Sazh is the only character I sort of care about in that lousy game, so yeah, my vote goes to him ^^ in comparison I wouldn't say Barret's my favorite FF VII character so... Injektileur 00:43, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
  35. You thiink you follow the old mans lead? Razordash 10:55, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
  36. "Now you've gone and made me mad!" Sazh > life. Jamiemitsu FTW 23:25, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
  37. Of course I choose Sazh. Double pistols, Brynhildr, and a Chocofro!!Skygrinder14 18:19, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Best character in XIII; very well written, his storyline was heartbreaking and realistic.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I suggested this fight! 8D (And then I put it in my arena a while back... >.>) --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 17:24, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's what you get. ;P Master Conjurer 19:08, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
TA beat me to it. This was going up in the Dragon's Den today o_o  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png21:10, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Is there new management in the DNC? Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh.gif 22:01, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Doubtful Kupohunter. I think TA finally gets it. I'm pretty much abstaining from the DNC from now on. It may have been what drew me to the Wiki, but I moved on. Plus the Dragon's Den is better.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:37, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

finaly weekly update! :D Judge Magister Pyarox 21:51, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't get this 10% draw rule. If they won, they won. There really is no point for a draw since the dispute isn't over. >_> SquallRocks 16:22, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

The draw rule makes cheating harder. People have complained about it for a long time, but it's been in the rules longer. Master Conjurer 23:19, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Uh..I honestly don't get what's the big deal about Sazh. Can someone explain it to me? Reply on my talk page.Caliburn.png a.k.a KayReeed 05:31, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Click here to find out why Sazh is just so cool. King of Noobs 17:38, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
I think I'm still a part of the fan club but unfortunately after replaying the game and hearing everyone rant about Sazh I have come to this conclusion. Sorry Sazh lovers. Hamfruitcake 09 22:42, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
I ask this same question about Kain. EVERYONE and their grandma thinks he's ALL THAT and a bag of chips and a Galuf-Level Badass. I don't hate him he's a decent character but he's NOWAY near what people perceive him to be.AnonyMan 20:26, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
First of all Dragoons are bad-ass, and Kain is the most bad-ass of them all Judge Magister Pyarox 23:10, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
It's my dream to be Galuf-level badass. lol Master Conjurer 00:51, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I just don't get the hype..Caliburn.png a.k.a KayReeed 13:57, January 10, 2011 (UTC) Two Black guys with guns throwing down to see who reigns supreme? You know who's gonna lose? Their kids. Both of them took Guile's advice and are Family Men yet they clash on the field of battle... Both are far too manly from their beards to their determination to fight for their kids! Not only that but Final Fantasy appears to be trying to perpetuate a stereotype that black guys make cool fathers. FACT! I hope they tie.

And yet again TA fails to do a job as simple as to declare the winner and change the fight, congratulations! --RazielZero 21:30, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Chocofro is my new favorite word. --Nahara 18:41, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Fight 163: Celes Chere v. Oerba Yun Fang[edit source]

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29 1/2 to 31
Its a real character versus one from XIII. I really have no idea what the comparison is here. Vote. WINNER!
29 1/2 to 31

Votes for Celes[edit source]

  1. 21:04, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  2. My runic will absorb your magic!  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 21:07, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 21:28, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi 22:26, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  5. WhiteMateria 22:33, December 24, 2010 (UTC) Celes FTW
  6. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 22:40, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  7. love both these ladies but Celes is hard to beat Judge Magister Pyarox 00:07, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  8. One of the best ones I think Razordash 00:16, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Fang's my favourite character in XIII. Celes is my favourite character in VI. VI > XIII, so Celes gets my vote. --Leon95 09:51, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I thought of Celes as an awesome character from her first appearance in the game, and I'm afraid I haven't played FFXIII yet, so, yeah, I vote Celes. Thorspheric 10:22, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  11. While I haven't played XIII yet, Xbox is elusive where I live, I do know that Runic was a very useful skill in VI, so my vote goes here. King of Noobs 14:24, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Both cool but Terra is a personal favorite of mine. President Rufus Shinra 12:02, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Celes is an outstanding character, one of the best Final Fantasy females, and i haven't played XIII, so my vote is quite obvious here, way to go Celes!. FFVIfan 17:13, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Fang? Seriously. LC 15:37, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Cause Celes is a General AND an opera floozie Sleepy phoenix 09:54, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Because the SquareSoft games are a million times better than that Square-Enix rubbish. 1stclasswarrior 01:19, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Celes is among my favorite female characters in FF, so she gets my vote. Pikmin Master 15:31, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
  18. She is a strong and beuatiful woman.Thats all there is to it.Lord
  19. She is the best character of Final Fantasy VI. Too bad. I wish I could support the dragoons this time. Discordius Erisianus 01:57, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
  20. My favorite character in ff6! i also favorited her opera scene ★Crescent moon★ 06:27, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Locke loves her. She's that epic. Need one say more? Apathetic Piggy 10:09, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Caliburn a.k.a KayReeed 01:57, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
  23. "It's a real character versus one from XIII." Couldn't have said it better myself. Whatever happened to complex/multi-dimensional characters? Masamune 18:50, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Because she's not some love-starved twit! SquallisbetterthanCloud 20:31, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
  25. runic and she is 1 of the 2 natural magic learners in FF6
  26. Even though XIII looks awesome, I haven't played it yet, and Celes is just epic. MystRay 19:07, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Everyone, you do know it's about strength, not beauty, right? Celes is the one, as she was given more time to toughen up, hence her 1-year coma in the World of Ruin, she would fight on her way to where Sabin was? Magitek X v0.9 14:52, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
  28. From what I've seen, Fang seems like a good character, but for me, Celes' search for her friends was one ofthe more enjoyable storyline parts of FFVI. Plus, she's a general. 8bit 04:26, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
  29. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 16:27, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 00:36, December 30, 2010 (UTC) I'm suprised that any anon voters are voting after the last fight, but I will assist Celes my 3rd favorite Final Fantasy Character.

Votes for Fang[edit source]

  1. FIRST! Master Conjurer 20:59, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Fang is the epitome of female badassary. 'Nuff said. Cloudy Krystal 00:24, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  3. i'm just voting for her out of spite, fanboys are @#!*% me off and they even ruined the description for the battle 00:31, December 25, 2010 (UTC)NeoExdeath
  4. MMLN メーマウリアン 09:23, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Kamikaze Pardee 20:32, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  6. My...2nd-ish favorite character ever? She's awesome ok. ¬_¬ Koharu Nami 21:19, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Favorite women? No. Favorite Les? Yes! xD SquallRocks 21:27, December 25, 2010 (Merry Christmas) (UTC)
  8. I HATE YOU CELES !! Regoli 08:41, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Oh, please, I barley used Celes in VI. Now, Fang, on the other hand, was the boss. Jamiemitsu FTW 21:35, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Love them both. They're both amazingly badass. Fang has the edge though being a dragoon. Yrl 23:15, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
  11. ZazComet 02:32, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  12. If only because her costume is consistent from art to ingame, because that inconsistency really @#!*% me off. Also, because <3 her accent. Either way, voting for the better character from the better game. Yes, I said it. Dazuro 02:35, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Oerba Yun Fang, without a doubt. She rocks in battle, her theme is amazing and I love her personality. I'd tear down the sky to make sure that she wins. Have I mentioned that she's smoking hot? Agent0042 03:03, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  14. spears beat swords everytime.Balthierfan 10:26, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Fang is the best battle-wise in final fantasy XIII Purple lightning 11:57, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Obvious choice. I hate Celes and I really like Fang, she is way better both character and battle wise...and way sexier ;) RazielZero 14:10, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  17. For teh l'Cie sig. AJtwosig.gif 17:03, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Rictisempra 19:43, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Rinoa Leonheart 23:22, December 27, 2010 (UTC) oh YEAH
  20. HereticDante 08:13, December 28, 2010 (UTC)A really tough choice but im gonna have to vote Fang even if a sense of patriotic duty to my countryman/woman is the only deciding factor.
  21. She makes a great opposition to calm and silent Vanille. Her spears makes funny noises and they recombine to three-section-staffs.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 13:25, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
  22. FANGU! :& A.X.A 18:45, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
  23. No78 Fang, because she's an australian lesbian with a lance.
  24. Fang is versatile, and so helpful in battle, and better looking than Celes. Munk451 00:56, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
  25. User:BalthierTheNobody Fang has a strong full ATB skill, she is HOT, and she stole Kain's Lance. 01:30, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
  26. RinneRinne 05:58, December 30, 2010 (UTC) Stronger willpower and sexier to boot, I'm voting for Fang.
  27. BlueHighwind 20:26, December 30, 2010 (UTC) - she was great in Black Swan
  28. -Jay Sherman Quebec 07:52, December 31, 2010 (UTC)I do like both of them, the moment where Locke saves Celes at Kefka's tower was one of my favourite moments in the series but you have to feel sorry for Fang at the end of XIII and since even the description seems to be digging at her im voting for her.
  29. She's a badass lesbian with a cool accent, Bahamut, and her Highwind attack kicks @#!*% . What's not to love? XxRikku-chanxX 01:22, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
  30. --Xepscern 16:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 14:14, December 25, 2010 (UTC) The best character in XIII; drop-dead gorgeous with that beautiful accent. As much as I love you Celes, I have to hand it over to my favorite.
  2. Having never played FFVI, I'm biased, but I really do love Fang. She was an essential part of my party, making a good Sentenial and Commando and a decent Ravager. 23:00, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 13:45, January 1, 2011 (UTC) Because she is HELLA hot.
  4. Gorgeous, awesome and extremely powerful. Not to mention she has a pretty depressing story and is a Dragoon to boot! # 13:25, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Fang is from FFXIII... o_O --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 22:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

And called Fang, not Oebra... Hamfruitcake 09 00:07, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
Poor fang...I almost want to vote for her based that the mistake. lol Razordash00:13, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
And it's spelled Oerba, not Oebra... XD. Not to point out your faults or anything, TA Please don't ban me... --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 00:15, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
Leave them up, spread the lulz. :) DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 00:27, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Also for a comparison, I think both were once fighting for the enemy side, but later swopped sides. You can also kinda say that both in some way were traitors at some point. Razordash00:18, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I refuse to vote for this, because its been resolved at MY arena a few weeks ago. Click here to see the record on my archives. and vote at Dragon's Den too! TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png01:18, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I just simply refuse to vote. Long live the boycott!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:47, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
And you know, its sad, because this was my suggestion from like months ago. No wonder everyone made their own arena.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:43, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
Arma, if you're boycotting the DNC, why do you hang out in the Peanut Gallery? Master Conjurer 04:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. Decent moogles fight overran massively, TA's handling of the championship match at the end was a shambles, and this fight is... less than thrilling. Viva la boycott! Also, MasterConjurer, it's because the Peanut Gallery is where all the cool kids hang out to make sarky remarks and whoring of arenas/tournaments, of course! -- Sorceror Nobody 06:19, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't actually think this was a bad fight. But as for the handling of the MMII tournament I was horribly disapointed. Razordash 06:23, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
@MasterConjurer: I very rarely comment in the Peanut Gallery. The boycott isn't about not discussing things with fellow users, it's about not voting in the fights until things improve. Or at least, that's what I am doing.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:38, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

That's 32 for Fang not 31... (Is it me or TA always votes for the losing side, in this case making it a draw instead a win for Fang, since the math would say it's Fang...) --RazielZero 18:32, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Fight 162: Magicite Madness II Championship - Terra vs Vivi[edit source]

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With only one battle to go, one may believe that our struggle is coming to a close. That is not true. The final ultimate battle has arrived. Vivi was the champion of our first Magicite Madness so many years ago, when bested Kain Highwind for the crown of champions. Now he faces Terra, champion of Magicite Madness II. Terra knocked down Garland, then crushed Tifa in a slapping contest, and finally she overcame the mighty afro of Sazh, all to appear here tonight. Together these great titans of fandoms shall come together in combat to prove who is the more powerful.

Votes for Champion Terra[edit source]

  1. I respect her. I'm sorry I don't know Vivi... Koharu Nami 00:05, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Terra is the remaining member of my team and I will back her to the end. MystRay 00:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I said I wouldn't vote for her because she knocked out both Kefka and Tifa... but, it's Terra, damn it... --Leon95 00:11, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I still fail to see what is so great about Vivi. Terra is ten thousand times the character that Vivi is and always will be.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:16, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Vivi isn't sexeh. --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 00:25, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  6. From the only FF game that can possibly hold a candle to IX, I will base this vote on that.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 00:57, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Vivi is cool. I like Vivi. However, I like Terra too, and she just barely edges him out. Really, I feel either one should win.--Otherarrow 01:40, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  8. When this whole thing was being planned out on IRC and ideas were being tossed about, the suggestion came up to match the winner of this tournament against the winner of the first, Vivi. I opposed the idea, since I believe winning the first tournament was glory enough for him, and any winner of MM should be barred from future tournaments. So whichever way this fight goes, Terra will still be the winner in my eyes. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:14, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I can't believe that Sazh didn't win! You people wrote an ENCYCLOPEDIA about him, and he didn't win? =/ SquallRocks 22:18, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
  10. how can you guys vote for a 3D render of a final fantasy I black mage instead of the hot lady? its a little stupid if the same guy wins over and over Judge Magister Pyarox 10:43, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  11. I agree with DSS. I like and respect Vivi alot, he is one of the best characters ever in the FFs, but I love Terra, she has come through a lot of struggle, she deservers this victory. She is in my top-ten, and so, it's an honor for me to raise her to victory. Go Terra, be fierce! RazielZero 14:23, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  12. I was more of a Sazh fan. Still, I think I'll vote Terra over Vivi. Both are overrated, but FFVI is my favorite and I still do adore Terra. --ClixPsi 14:58, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Only one more to go. Lets go Terra!Zack"Awesome"Fair 15:22, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  14. - Henryacores^ 15:59, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  15. WhiteMateria 16:21, December 18, 2010 (UTC) Oh, not even a contest! A beautiful sorceress with green hair and a mysterious past beats a little puff of Mist any day of the week!
  16. Sorry Vivi, but Terra's simply better.Jeffrey or SSFF6B 18:06, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  17. bibliomaniac15 20:28, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  18. I enjoyed FF9 and Vivi, but they pale in comparison to FF6 and Terra. That and Terra just plain rocks! Breezer226 23:23, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Love Vivi, possibly even more than Terra, but she got here fair and square. I'd probably even vote for Sazh if he were here. Vivi didn't have to face anyone and it's possible he could have been eliminated really early. Yrl 03:49, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  20. I vote for Terra. Because she deserves the title. She was thrusted into battle constantly, hated without knowing who she really was, and was thrown into essentially a coma. Upon coming out she tries to change the tide of battle, only to fall before-hand. Then upon finding a few orphans she decides to make what she can of her life now. When needed she's lost her will, and upon returning she strikes back, and is willing to commit what could be SUICIDE for what she cherishes. The woman who had no true resolve to aid became the woman who was willing to throw her life away, and originally was going to die, before the story changed in development for a happier ending. Duodecim123 03:43, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Vivi already has a title under his belt. --CarloGrimaldi 06:11, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  22. AtmaCrisis 09:07, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  23. ... Xelias010:02, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Johuotar 15:49, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  25. For her music theme, for FF6, for Dissidia/012, for all the times she suffered under the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, for all of the world are belonging to Kefka, for Great Justice. For Terra!!! --OK-Ssuka 05:31, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  26. maggosh 05:34, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Kamikaze Pardee 06:00, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  28. terra's the best red mage ever! ★Crescent moon★ 09:50, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Terra is awesome; her character is interesting, she's the first female protagonist and she has an awesome music theme. Sleepy phoenix 12:21, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  30. I just think she's prettier. Kuzlalala 13:02, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  31. TinaTina 22:23, December 20, 2010 (UTC) I like Vivi, he's a cute and adorable character. But I grew up with FFVI and Terra made a great impact on me. She was this mysterious, strange, unsure character who evolved into a genuinely strong-willed, independent being - all the while retaining her own charm. I could identify with her and for this I will always choose her over any other character. (It's a pity they made her into such a whiny idiot in Dissidia, though)
  32. What do I *not* adore about her? xD ZazComet 03:56, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Terra's great, Vivi's meh. Gukkor 04:51, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Both Terra and Vivi are great characters, but Terra is the reason I finally got into the series 3 years ago. (Super Michael Mario 15:37, December 22, 2010 (UTC))
  35. Terra!!! (User:XxNoctisxx Decemeber 22,2010 (UTC)
  36. Only just barely - I'm not really a fan of either. Agent0042 00:49, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
  37. :3 Metus 19:45, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Yep, I'm changing to Terra. Vivi is better as a Woobie anyway. --Xepscern 23:58, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Dragoon667 03:29, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  40. The Perfect Light wants to end this as well. Fëasindë te audio 04:40, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Darkeclipse21 05:26, December 24, 2010 (UTC)I've always had a soft spot for Terra, and liked 6 more than 9. No choice for me.
  42. For once I am thankful of TacticAngel's lack of promptness. Θάνατος 06:43, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Though both caracters are awesome, and grow significantly during their game, I have to vote for Terra here. Bond em7 12:41, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  44. ApatheticAngel 16:28, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes for Terra[edit source]

  1. 17:19, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 04:11, December 19, 2010 (UTC)Terra FTW. No one votes against Terra in the DNC and gets away with it!
  3. -- 13:11, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  4. 17:20, December 20, 2010 (UTC) Terra!!!
  5. 22:37, December 20, 2010 (UTC) Come on, people! It's boring if Vivi wins over and over and over again - let's have some variety, already!
  6. 00:38, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
  7. 11:13, December 21, 2010 (UTC) Let's see: Vivi=weird Terra=hot Viviv=for the meh Terra=for the sexayh win; SO yeah, TERRA WINS HANDS DOWN
  8. 12:48, December 21, 2010 (UTC) Terra doesn't deserve the treatment that she has gotten from Nomura's portrayal of her in Dissidia (throwing away all her character developments from her game among other things). I've always thought of her as a strong-willed character with a lot of heart in the end, and even though Vivi might have had a more heartbreaking end to his life (and I sort of like him, too), I still think that Terra deserves a reward for everything that she was and had gone through in FFVI. Both of them will always be winners in my book, though.
  9. 18:44, December 22, 2010 (UTC) Who else
  10. 21:42, December 22, 2010 (UTC) I'd pick Terra. I love Vivi, but I prefer Terra, plus she has that gorgeous theme song.
  11. 01:11, December 23, 2010 (UTC) I adore both of these guys but Terra the Grand Champion of the Universe is more appealing to me.
  12. 17:38, December 23, 2010 (UTC) I want that Terra Magicite Madness III Logo (it'll look badass!) so I'm voting for her

Votes for Champion Vivi[edit source]

  1. I suspect Vivi will have his crown taken away anyways since many believe it's time to do so. So I can still vote for Vivi and Terra will be the new champion. Razordash 00:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Vivi is still the best. He is. I pray this won't be a landslide on the little guy, he doesn't deserve it :( Kisswithatear 00:12, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Vivi is the lord of cute and cuddly. AND YOU WILL BOW TO HIM OR I SHALL HOLLOW OUT YOUR CORPSE! --BlueHighwind 00:28, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Bluestarultor 01:49, December 18, 2010 (UTC) Well, as promised, I made up a new Rant of the Moment for why Vivi is better than Terra. It's not really a "rant," but here it is.
  5. If any walls of text about subtlety and humanity are to be written they should be about this magnificent mage! Hamfruitcake 09 02:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I like Terra, she was an O.K. character. But she does not even touch the awesomeness of Vivi. President Rufus Shinra 06:14, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
  7. If Tifa, Sazh, or Balthier had won, I would vote for them. Why do you people love characters that have no personality? Master Conjurer 02:27, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Keltainentoukokuu 03:12, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Best character from the best Final Fantasy game. Go ahead Vivi, you can do it! NO MASTER VIVI, DON'T RUN AWAY FROM THE ENEMY! ATTACK! ATTACK! DiamondEdge 03:36, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I found Vivi rather unique, a coward who would grow into a powerful fighter. Plus he's all about the classic Black Mage look. Can't forget that. King of Noobs 03:59, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Are you kidding me? This isn't even a competition. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 04:02, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Hands down. LC 04:14, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  13. First off, I wish to congratulate Terra for her victory in the tournament. It takes much to beat Sazh, and doing so definitely deserves respect. So congratulations, Terra. However, we are now at the stage, where there is Vivi to face you. Here, I can not vote for you, no matter how much respect you deserve and how much I like you. For, you see, I could never vote against Vivi. Vivi is in my eyes the best character ever to come out of a Final Fantasy game, and perhaps even the best thing generally to come from a game. He is genuinely human, despite not actually being of the human race, and he is an awesome fighter, as well as adorable. What more can you ask for? I admit it, I love Vivi, I just can't help it. And I would have voted for him, no matter who the oponent. Granted, if it had been Sazh or Zack on the other side, giving my vote would have been much harder. But Vivi would have gotten my vote anyway. And so, now he will. MirrorshardSceada 12:38, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Terra must pay for killing my team plus Vivi is one of the top 10 Final Fantasy characters ever. Go, Vivi, go! OwlEye 18:56, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Everyone knows the reasons. KujaRhapsodos 19:52, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  16. MMLN メーマウリアン 20:32, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  17. I knew this would happen. I bloody knew I'd end up going against myself by voting for Vivi >_< -- Sorceror Nobody 20:47, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Terra dared to defeat Sazh, by a means I still do not find possible. This is upsetting news, to see her on the throne of Magicite Madness II. Vivi, you, the Original One, must finally bring her down! Champion of the past, make haste with the destruction of this newfound winner, soon to be cast into humiliating defeat! --DTN 21:56, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  19. --BiggsandWedge 00:27, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  20. As Bluestarultor so cuttingly pointed out, Vivi is a braver man than I. Masamune 03:00, December 19, 2010
  21. Vivi is just too damn good! ZaleraExdeath 01:39, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  22. We've done this before, we know Vivi's gonna win! Blackheart1991 03:26, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  23. He's cute and He's super duper huggable! Dodongray23 10:00, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  24. He's Vivi! A.X.A 12:15, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  25. As I have said before, I consider Vivi top be one of the best characters in fiction, not just Final Fantasy. 17:24, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Lord Noctis 17:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)Black mages are awesome, who wouldn't vote for Vivi.
  27. Go Vivi, go! :) SquallTheBlade 17:50, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  28. You can do it Vivi! Beat that cardboard cut-out! Helixrain 18:38, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  29. YuanSalutActa 21:08, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  30. The FMV's on the cargo ship with the Black Waltz. This is why Vivi is still the overall champion. (And Bluestarultor's excellent reasoning on why Vivi is better than Terra) Mog&Boko 23:41, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Vivi is epic. --YamiMysteriaG 09:13, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Epic magic, epic magic. Hotness, cuteness. Awesome story, awesome story. Happy ending, sad ending. Vivi wins, by an ending (Yes I prefer sad endings to happy ones; shoot me). Sorry Terra, but you are not enough to unseat Vivi. You fought well though. Likeacupcake 09:17, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Not Terra, not ever, only Vivi can win now.Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi
  34. Vivi is the true mage of the series! User:Garlandthunderstorm 17:09, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  35. VIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIVVV VVVVV VVVVV VVVVV VVVVV VVVVV VVVVV VVIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I!!!! VIVI! Happy Hamshanksgiving, Merry Kefkasmas, and a Kupo New Year! Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh.gif 22:34, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
  36. <3 8bit 04:39, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
  37. What do you think he was doing the past three years? Eating pizza Level-grinding, of course. BfD t/c 20:37, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
  38. HAT TheMirzai 12:09, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
  39. I. Haven't. Played. VI.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:06, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Vivi must not be beaten! Ever! Nokareon 22:27, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
  41. While Terra is certainly worthy, as evidenced by the fact that she made it this far, Vivi is equally awesome and adorable (albeit in a slightly different sense) as her, but, in my opinion, wins out in terms of depgth and character development. Also, the sequence with the third Black Waltz on the airship. The Man In The Black Cape 00:55, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Vivi IS Final Fantasy. Which is why I'll be looking foward to seeing Vivi wipe the floor with Terra's pretty little face in Dissidia Duodecim as well. :) Adelbert
  43. MasterTonberry 04:42, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  44. I don't even like Vivi that much. But Terra was in MMI, and lost early. If Sazh had got through, then I would have definitely voted for him. All the people who comment on Dissidia talk about her character assassination. We'll have to assume the people who only know her because of Dissidia don't see it in such a way for the tables to turn so much. Or maybe someone's doing some behind the scenes vote swaying. Hard to tell. JBed 11:27, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Just cause Purple lightning 13:30, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Terra is just a dirty bird. Vivi is win sauce. MCMLXXXIV 16:13, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes for Vivi[edit source]

  1. Vivi!!! 18:36, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 11:33, December 19, 2010 (UTC) Vivi helped me beat Ozma, so I help him beat Terra. Simple. Besides, he's the most inspirational character I've ever seen in FF.
  3. Special:Contributions/ 6:39, December 23, 2010 (UTC) Vivi is my favorite character in Final Fantasy. He deals with such mature situations at such a young age and he truly grows during the game. Terra merely lost her memory and had difficulty learning what love was not to mention being something that innately knows magic. Vivi had to deal with the fact that he was created and not only that but he also only has just a couple years to live. He has to accept death despite being so young and he truly grows because of it.
  4. She's better 08:10, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I forgot about the anon votes thing. They weren't allowed in MM2, but this is the Unsure of what to do... DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 00:18, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

It is based off the original. It seems fair that anons get to have a say for the final battle. Hamfruitcake 09 02:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
TA demanded that anon votes get in somehow. We're already going behind his back because he failed to live up to his obligations, I figure we should meet the one demand he gave. --BlueHighwind 02:44, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
I have been more than accommodating to you and have thus far lived up to every agreement I have made. You want the DNC; you get the DNC. This conversation is off topic, need I remind you. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 04:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I disagree Conjure, Terra has personality. Like most it starts out being helpless and finding something to fight for. But in Terra's case she does it... 'FOR LOVE'. Well no matter how you want to imagine it she's not a bad character at all. I agree that some characters like Sazh has more personality but that's only an opinion. Everyone else is free to theirs. Razordash 02:54, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I see an issue wherein we're expected to imagine a personality instead of being able to extract one from the writing, but to each his own. :P Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon.png BSA 04:20, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

DSS, you win for your vote. I completely agree with you. Vivi should just be Vivi. Terra should have been the winner instead of thrown against him. TheBlueDragoon 04:56, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

if that was the case Vivi should of been given the chance to compete in the tournament himself. I know what yall mean, but that doesn't solve everything either. :/ Razordash 06:44, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Vivi got his chance to compete three years ago when he won. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:26, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
So we can throw Vivi out because he's already won it once? If you ask me, him winning the last one is all the more reason to have given him a shot. Going against Terra for the actual crown I agree to 'some' extent isn't the best idea since Terra had the longer harder road. But one can make the argument it's just as unfair to not give Vivi a chance to defend his crown at all. Razordash 20:39, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
That's like giving the winners of the last World Cup a chance to defend their title against this year's winners. Defending one's title is most commonly seen in combat sports, and the way that the contenders are chosen for that are extremely different than the tournament setup here. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:53, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
It's also saying The Winner of the world cup can't compete for the next cup because he's already won the last one... AS I SAID. I agree that throwing him in the final match against Terra for the actual crown is a bad idea. What I am saying is Vivi should have participated like everyone else. If Terra wins anyways nothing is wrong. however, if Vivi wins all hell will probably break loose. Razordash 20:57, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
If you want to see this like the World Cup DSS, then Vivi would have had to be allowed to participate in the tourney. Now, one can only speculate what that would have led to, but one thing is for sure: The tournament would have taken a different way then... But anyway, you can't say on one hand that he should not participate for he has won a tournament, and then state that he should not have the right to defend his title. That's like saying, that you have to get punished for winning by being banned from all subsequent matches. That just doesn't work if you ask me. MirrorshardSceada 20:59, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Don't think of it as punishment, it's really more of "retiring" him and putting him and other winners into the Hall of Fame. And like I said before, defending one's title doesn't exist in tournament style championships in the real world. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 21:52, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Then perhaps this fight is a completely bad idea after all? I don't know... I think everything was just planned not so well at the start. Razordash 21:55, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Obviously all this is being done for your amusement. The rules are silly and flexible and not very well thought because we're not taking this seriously. Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE? --BlueHighwind 01:03, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

can we know declare Terra the most beloved main char? xD p.s. she will not be defeated! Judge Magister Pyarox 10:44, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I want to topple Vivi, as he has been champion for more than long enough... but I cannot vote for Terra over him. I might maybe have voted for Sazh over him, but even had Sazh made it here, I might well still have voted for Vivi. Still, in memory of the Sazh victory that perhaps could have been – and in regretful consideration of the fact that the inevitable MMIII will likely have another unimpressive logo – I once again present my concept logo -- Sorceror Nobody 20:52, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I would rather look at a half-naked pic of Terra for the MMIII logo ;) RazielZero 22:11, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, well, that's hardly likely to be permitted, is it? I could always make one with Esper Terra, if you want... no promises that I would actually bother to do it, but maybe :P -- Sorceror Nobody 22:17, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Rinoa Leonheart 21:10, December 18, 2010 (UTC) ViVi OH YEAH

Vivi was in Kingdom Hearts. Terra was not in Kingdom Hearts. Therefore, any votes for Terra show an utter hatred of Kingdom Hearts. --DTN 22:23, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, since when did Kingdom hearts play a role? Razordash 22:25, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Since they added Vivi to KHII, and ensured that he was in FULL ADORABLE MODE -- Sorceror Nobody 22:30, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
lol then apparently i hate kingdom hearts. i will always vote for the lady instead of the 3D rander of a black mage Judge Magister Pyarox 10:33, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
This logic is flawed anyway. I mean, it would given this logic also be correct to say, that all Vivi voters hate Dissidia, since he is not in it, but Terra is, right? That's just outright wrong.
Also, Pyarox: If you do not take Dissidia into account, and just look at the original VI, then you are voting for a 2D block of pixels made to loosely remember a lady. Is it not fun to see how everything can change just by changing relations? MirrorshardSceada 00:54, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Terra is unique as the green haired half esper girl, Vivi is just a 3D final fantasy I Black mage Judge Magister Pyarox 10:33, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, but there is a character named Terra in Birth By Sleep, admittedly it's a guy with a very different personality from the Terra, but it's good enough to maintain the Kingdom Hearts love. Yrl 03:42, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Correction: Vivi's appearance is a 3D render of BM. However, unlike BM, he actually has a character as well, and what an incredible character it is -- Sorceror Nobody 13:03, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, There is so many comlpaints about this fight and how it's unfair to Terra, as very true as that is WE ALL KNEW this was comming. Every single one of us knew that the winner of the Magicite Madness II would be pit up against Vivi. It was no Secret! Terra is the official winner of the tournament. Now we're pretty much deciding if the former champion or the new champion is better. TERRA IS STILL MMII CHAMPION, no one can take that from her, even if Vivi wins. We're pretty much deciding which of the two are better. If you wanna talk about unfair, you could say it was unfair that Vivi was never allowed to participate, so we should just hand the Winner the crown and keep Vivi out. But that never happened... what we are left with. And we knew it was going to happen. I don't like it either, but no use arguing about it anymore is there? Razordash 03:57, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Come on ppl, stop fighting on how unfair/fair it is to make them fight. How about we change the title for this fight like this "Magicite Madness I vs Magicite Madness II - Terra vs Vivi" Or something like this, so it's the fight of the 2 champions to see who is better. That way both of them could keep their own title as the champions and everyone can be happy. RazielZero 10:42, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

I really like this fight's style, with the extra borders and white spacing. What would it take to make this a regular thing? Master Conjurer 21:54, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

It was TA's design for the original MMI championship. I just add some gold color, that's it. Ask him if you want it to be forever. --BlueHighwind 22:53, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Shud be reserved for epic occasions IMO. 23:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Mr. Epicness exemplified by excessive borders should be reserved so that epicness does not diminish. And yeah... there are a surprisingly large number of things around here that are the advent of some of my good ideas. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 06:06, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Forgot there was a Magicite Madness II. Pikmin Master 17:12, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Theyre both likable in their own ways but lets just overthrow the champ Judge Magister Pyarox 20:08, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Come on people, it's 39.5 to 43, all it would take is two people to swing their votes and we'd have Terra in the lead! This is it, we can do it, she can win it! TERRAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 21:39, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

F*CK YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! Seriously though, people should consider what I just said earlier, about the title. RazielZero 21:47, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
LET TERRA HAVE HER CROWN! :D Judge Magister Pyarox 22:18, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

40 to 44... now if THREE people switch their votes to Terra or FIVE other people vote for her (or any combination of the two), then the first leading lady of final fantasy can win! She has fought to the TEETH to be here, dueling Kefka (who defeated MM1 runner-up Kain Highwind), Tifa (who beat Kuja and Celes), Garland (who defeated the star and namesake of the ever popular Reifa's Country Western Band), and, perhaps most importantly, Sazh. She has earned her spot as champion of MM2. LET HER KEEP HER JUSTLY EARNED CROWN!! FIGHT TO THE BITTER END!! GO TERRA, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!! IT IS TIME FOR A NEW ERA. IT IS TIME FOR A NEW DAWN. IT IS TIME. FOR. A. NEW. CCCHHHAAAAAMMMPPIIIIIOOOON!!! (Super Michael Mario 01:00, December 23, 2010 (UTC))

How many times does it have to be said? Terra won MMII, and this is an inter-MM fight. Even if Vivi wins, Terra keeps her MMII crown. Equally, Vivi doesn't lose his MM crown if Terra beats him here -- Sorceror Nobody 03:09, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

45 - 44.5 keep up the great work people! Vivi is awesome but let terra win this tournament :D! Judge Magister Pyarox 22:52, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

While she is "technically" winning, you're gonna need at least 51 votes by my count to beat TA's tie system, assuming vivi gets an even 45 votes total. Figured I'd let you know. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 23:12, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Greatest bullshit call in the history of anything - the majority vote loses "by judge decision." You've really outdone yourself this time TA, just when I think you can't be any more of a troll you pull this. Well done. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 20:33, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to my rationale in another venue. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 20:47, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

What the hell? How is this not a win for Terra or at least a tie? I mean, come on! I totally agree with Drake, this is just ridiculous... Whatever, Terra is still the winner of the 2nd MM and Vivi of the first. And the DNC should really get a new admin from now on. RazielZero 22:36, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

For those willing to read the whole thing, TA has provided a perfectly fine explanation of why he did this on his Talkpage. For everyone else, let me say just one little thing here: Calm down. Seriously, calm down guys. This whole thing here has been held for one single purpose: Entertainment. There is no need to get this agitated over the whole thing. So maybe the one you rooted for hasn't won. Well, that happens. My favorite Sazh hasn't won either, but do you see me going into a fury? No. I accept it, and I even congratulated Terra for beating him. Why did I do that? Because her fight entertained me, as has the one here. We all got entertained here, so what reason do we have to now go and start fights over something like this? True, if there have been different promises (and I am not saying, there have been such, because I seriously do not know what was arranged by whom with whom when), there is a need to talk about that. But people, do we need to get aggresive over it? I believe we can keep a civilized tone around here, we all should be mature enough. So please people, calm down, will you? MirrorshardSceada 00:01, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you, MSS. My thoughts are on the DNC talk page. 19:15, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

The real winner is Refia. OFFICIAL DECLARATION. --BlueHighwind 15:22, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I don't get how the unregistered voters were allowed to vote in the first place. I'm number 8 in Terra's anonymous votes (you can compare the IP addresses even, including the contributions, and know that I'm not lying), and I didn't bother to make an account because the first trail of comments in the Peanut Gallery told of anon votes getting a say for the winner of the contest (by the one watching the fight, even). (Soon, I found the wiki to be worth making an account for, so I actually did, as Thorspheric. I didn't edit my vote into the registered users post thereafter, however, because I thought that my vote would count, even if it were just half of the normal value.) It's unfair that we weren't considered in deciding the champ, and I wish that the judge told us of this warning earlier, so that people could have bothered to create an account and vote (unless new users aren't allowed to vote), instead of vote as an unregistered user and be subject to "cheating" as "duplicate votes" or whatnot. Being anon doesn't necessarily mean being a cheater. Okay, I didn't intend this to be a complaint, but I guess I am already complaining. Oh well, I just hope that next time things would be handled better, because Mirrorshard has a good point. 07:25, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

It was decided that anon votes would count. However, TA, despotic ruler of the DNC, doesn't care for consistency or honesty, and prefers Vivi over Terra. KujaRhapsodos 14:35, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but at least Blue and the others in charge already agreed that Terra is the real winner as you can already see it on the page of MMII. RazielZero 15:56, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Finally. Vincit omnia veritas! RazielZero 21:41, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Fight 161: Moogle Mania - Original v. Bunnies v. Puffballs[edit source]


XII-moogles.jpg Ffcc moogle.jpg
46 -29 1/2 - 11 1/5
Yes, clearly they are all moogles. I'm not sure how to picture this, but I bet it would be a cute fight. WINNER!
46 - 29 1/2 - 11 1/5

Votes for Original[edit source]

  1. Go original Moogles!! they are used in so many games let here some! Kingdom Hearts Series Final Fantasy VI and many others! Shasha.gif ChronoKai-FinalBattleArena
  2. Oh well, the boycott isn't working, you obviously aren't gonna change anything, and moogles rock. EDIT: MAH F***** BREEDKupohunter FFV gilgamesh.gif 01:47, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  3. ケイ リード(Kay Reeed). 04:46, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  4. This is Mog, and Stiltzkins group. Razordash 08:33, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  5. lmao (some Aracnapack guy changed what I said. Wtf.) LC 14:03, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  6. MMLN メーマウリアン 16:18, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Go Mog and Stiltzkin! RazielZero 22:32, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  8. --BiggsandWedge 22:51, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Stiltz. Kin. Jimcloud 00:16, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  10. This isn't hard people! The originals are just so CUTE! SquallRocks 20:09, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  11. The original, clearly. All other versions of moogles are completely fail. But I guess I'm a sucker for old-school. -wtdrm 13:26 November 16, 2010 (AEST)
  12. The moogles of Madain Sari. 03:54, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  13. SquallTheBlade 05:31, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Dodongray23 05:37, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  15. --YamiMysteriaG 06:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  16. While I do consider the Ivalician Moogles to be rather cool, I gotta say that the traditional Moogle is just the way I imagine a Moogle whenever I read about one. It's just the most present picture in my mind for the race. Guess that's what you get for hanging around Mognet-Central for too long... MirrorshardSceada 08:18, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  17. This ones are too famous,we have Mog the only party member,Stilkzin originated here and these are the moogles that represent FF in KH.Zack"Awesome"Fair 08:39, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  18. "Give me a huuuuug!" Says Lulu. Moogle gladly complies. KujaRhapsodos 12:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Bond em7 13:03, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Final Fantasy X-2 and Moogle Yunie - enough said.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 14:01, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Myself 123 17:41, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Ivalician Moogles are so bleh... SquallisbetterthanCloud 21:15, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Kupo --Sovereign92 22:43, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Koharu Nami 22:59, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Staggerus 20:35, November 16, 2010
  26. Yeesh, I'm starting to feel glad I made a user arena. Anyway, I grew up on the old school FF games, and its Mog, so yeah.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png03:27, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Unbeatable in every way <3 NeoExdeath 05:40, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  28. There's a reason the classics are the classics The Rood Inverse 17:48, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  29. You can never beat the original moggles. All of the new ones look like they were hybred with some screwed up experiment. They were allbased on the original neonero November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  30. had to toss a coin, the puffballs look cute, the ivalice ones are really helpful in the game, and i love the original and mog from VI Pyarox 00:12, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  31. They kick some major ***. On a side note, I think I had a cute-gasm. :D :D :D Mynameissora 13:36, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Kamikaze Pardee 16:44, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  33. I'm kupo for kupo nuts! Diamond Dragoon 21:37, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Original always wins,always.--Diabolos-ffvi-gba.pngAracnapackDiabolos-ffvi-gba.png
  35. While the Ivalician moogles certainly look the least creepy and tend to be more advanced, I'll go with the nostalgia vote. And Mog is the greatest moogle of all time. Yrl 04:13, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Mainly a vote for Final Fantasy IX's moogle heaven. Also Mog from Final Fantasy VI and Cait Sith's ride. Discordius Erisianus 13:37, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Nothing beats the good old ones. FinalAnnihilator 14:19, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  38. The originals have always been a favorite of mine. SinToxin 03:37, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
  39. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 04:18, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Nothing can beat kupo, damnit.--Innosense 01:18, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Screw those fakes, the original Moogles win hands down Blackheart1991 22:26, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Original.Lord Exdeath 00:26, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Originals ofc 17:02, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Yes! Moogles FTW! 01:11, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Original. specifically FF9's. 19:24, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I like the original , so I guess I'll be voting for them , GO MOOGLES . KUUPO! 18/11/2010
  5. The originals are the cuttest! KUPO! 19/11/2010
  6. KUPO-PO~ I just love moogles in general, but I'll have to go with the originals. :P 03:54, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. The only thing in all of existance that's almost as adorable as Selena Gomez. 22:52, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Im going with these cute classics they are the cutest I only got one thing to say... KUPO!

Votes for Bunnies[edit source]

  1. --Strife95 01:48, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi
  3. R8.50Mango 13:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Kupo! --BlueHighwind 16:27, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Although I'd go for the classic moogles in general, imma vote here for superior technology -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 18:02, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  6. They are usually given a decent role in every game they appear, unlike the other types. --ClixPsi 21:32, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Like the Ivalice Moogles more--The Crimson Top 01:08, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Duh, they are really cute! -- User:Final789 19:50, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Lord Noctis 16:05, November 16, 2010 (UTC)I like the ivilace moogles alot better than the others. [User:Lord Noctis|Lord Noctis] 04:04, November 16, 2010
  10. Because Ivalice rocks and those long ears fit the Moogles. ZaFlareStar 18:19, November 16, 2010
  11. Rinoa Leonheart 01:17, November 17, 2010 (UTC) Bunnys are soooooooooooooooo CUTE ^_^ Oh yeah "I just want to suquses tham till that pop"^_^
  12. they are so cute and cuddly and they don't look fat.
  13. You guys forgot the Kingdom Hearts Moogles! Anyway, these guys seem a bit more active, they are like WOW Gnomes, but I dont have the desire to punt them into a fire pit. Exdeath64 19:59, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Master Conjurer 21:28, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Ultima Charge + a gun. That is all. Dornob25 00:59, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  16. FFTA!!!! and FFXII(is that a good reason?)Aznkingdom 15:39, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Normally, I'd go for the classic look in most things, but I think the Ivalice Moogles seem to be more alive. JohnnyC 19:07, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Chose this because they are more closer to human beings than the other types. Kuzlalala 07:30, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Kupo! Uppfinnarn 10:14, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
  20. I think these would win. No78
  21. Fine I cave. I love this fight. And this vote is for the moogle on the right. After you get past the Salikawood he is wandering around the Save Crystal a little bit sad and lost. I will support him with this vote and continue to follow him around with the camera as he looks around for his friends, shakes his head, then sighs. Hamfruitcake 09 12:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Okay, I'll have you know that I'm a manly man who enjoys things like getting in a fistfight with his brother, eating his steak bloody, and cursing up a storm when my football team is doing poorly, but when I first saw these moogles I melted into a pile of mush and just said "They're so a-f@&*ing-dorable..." Gendreavus 07:07, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Ok......Mog is good, but hey, aren't you people just forgetting about Montblanc, Hurdy, and such? Come on....BGMaxie 04:19, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  24. There's just something about the Ivalician style of moogles that I really like. Agent0042 04:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Ivalice has always been the highest tier of the series, and its Moogles are no less. MystRay 11:25, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  26. This was a hard pick but I pick the ones who actualy do stuff--KiraArik 18:52, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
  27. XII look is okay, but I've loved the TA/TA2 art style with them for quite a while. And I like the design in general. Go go Ivalice, kupo! - Flintlock Vitor 20:31, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
  28. In general, the moogles as a race were more fleshed out in the games that had this design, the Ivalice Alliance. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:33, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Obvious Choice 22:28, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  2. These were the first moogles I saw so I am slightly biased. 13:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
  3. They look cool, still love Mog though 03:55, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Puffballs[edit source]

  1. ChiefKakashi 20:11, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  2. OMG they are just the cutest things in existence! :3  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 00:09, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I'm playing CC right now (and damn the need for a GC-GBA connector thing to play multiplayer...) and these are the games where Artemicion gets his chance to shine. The classic moogles kicked him out of their territory in FFIX, shame on them. BfD t/c 00:13, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Puffball Moogles are AWESOME! 20:11, November 15, 2010 (UTC) Jake200493 11:41, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
  5. bibliomaniac15 09:00, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
  6. These guys kickass. Best Stiltzkin EVER. Θάνατος 16:23, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
  7. SO CUTE! 1stclasswarrior 23:57, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
  8. WhiteMateria 18:37, November 30, 2010 (UTC)How can you not love these cute little guys?
  9. Who Doesn't Like A Cutie Who Can Kick Some Ass!? x PurpleBranford 23:42, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Tahngarthortalk-contribs 08:00, December 9, 2010 (UTC) 07:57, December 9, 2010 (UTC) Crystal Chronicles moogles FTW! (Originally posted w/o logging in)
  11. Crystal Chronicles is the best spinoff series for any game series ever. And the moogles are by far the best (minus Blazin' Caravans in the original). Legend of Fantasy 00:57, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. These things are damn cute. 05:55, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I'd normally have to vote for the originals, but the original Moogles (I'm ashamed to admit} actually freak me out a little bit. Seriously, they've got the bat-wing thing going on. They look like semi-albino vampire bats who would suck your blood at night! I much prefer the poofball-version. "#WhiteMateria 22:59, December 2, 2010 (UTC)"

A three way fight huh? This is a different twist. Razordash 08:34, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Either the boycott worked or TA got bored. Either way, I'm cool with it R8.50Mango 13:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

This was actually my idea from like two years ago. Cool! --BlueHighwind 16:27, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, the DNC back to a decent fight at last. Good stuff, and here's hoping we can continue like this, eh? Although I must say, something does need to be done about that narrow middle column >_> -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 18:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

i cant vote here, i love the original moogles, the bunny's are really helpful in XII and the puffballs look fun xD all and all moogles are awesome! Pyarox 18:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

To everyone who mentions Stiltzkin in a vote for classic moogles: THIS -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not gonna Lie, I expect TA to come back and Expunge this fight any minute, Alas, It it possible that it was him that put it up, but I do doubt it --BiggsandWedge 23:37, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
I checked the recent changes, in fact I was the first to vote. HE PUT THIS UP. Happy Hamshanksgiving, Merry Kefkasmas, and a Kupo New Year! Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh.gif 00:07, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
I'm stunned, the coding originally was God-Awful. Remember how the middle box was tiny, squishy. AND he forgot to change the home-page--BiggsandWedge 00:10, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
@SN... Well it's true that Stiltzkin has appeared in the Crystal Chronical series. However stiltzkin was 'originally' a classic moogle also. Razordash 02:43, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Even though this is fan opinion, I'm surprised not many voted for the Ivalice Moogles due to their overall usefulness. Ultima Charge+Gunner, anybody? Dornob25 01:03, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm....I wonder who won? =/ SquallRocks 22:12, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Who has a 3-sided coin? HeavenlyArmed 20:40, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

I could offer you a 6-sided device, where you could simply say for each two sides together that they amount to the same result. Don't know if you heard of it, but the call it a dice ;) MirrorshardSceada 20:44, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
Sorceror Nobody nonchalantly fidgets with his Flantastic Randomator™
[1] Master Conjurer 03:47, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
The person said that they tossed a COIN to decide. I'm pretty sure there are no 3-sided coins. HeavenlyArmed 02:24, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
If you would check out my Web site, you would be able to download a program that will do that for you. Master Conjurer 07:13, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
Well, it could land on its edge, extremely low chance, but not impossible. RazielZero 16:59, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
i think it is impossible since the coin bounces as it hits the ground but lets not argue that, the best to do here is toss 2 coins and call it like this: 2x heads = side A, 2x tails = side b, 1 heads and 1 tails = side C Judge Magister Pyarox 22:07, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
For my lab project last year, I tested the fairness of a coin flip (and a roulette wheel, as it happens). I tested it under varying initial conditions, such as which side started uppermost, and the angle the coin was rotated at when flipped. It came out fair, within statistical analysis. Just felt like mentioning this, for the hell of it :P If anyone is interested in the roulette wheel, it was screamingly biased. To be fair, it was a cheap toy one :P -- Sorceror Nobody 22:49, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: Also, Pyarox, that isn't fair. 25% A, 25% C, 50% B. Not that I'd complain if this was reflected in twice as many votes for Ivalician than either of the others :P -- Sorceror Nobody 22:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
lol you could also roll a dice :P: 1 or 2 = side A, 3 or 4 = side B, 5 or 6 = side C Judge Magister Pyarox 08:05, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I almost feel sorry for the "puffball" Moogles... DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 04:19, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

ok i decided not to complain about changing the fight but IT HAS ALREADY BEEN 2 WEEKS! Judge Magister Pyarox 22:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm gonna be holding a funeral to mourn the death of the DNC next week and everyone is invited--BiggsandWedge 01:44, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
By next week it'll probably be time for the DNC to hold the MMII finals. Jimcloud Cloud Chocobo.png 01:51, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

) This is taking WAY longer than I expected, what gives? Blackheart1991 03:29, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I abstain from voting - I HATE THEM ALL!!!! Mog, Montblanc, theyre all useless!! Escaflowne X 15:35, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Burn the witch! Judge Magister Pyarox 12:50, December 15, 2010 (UTC) with ice!

Why in the world is this still going? Agent0042 13:32, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's meant to be the MMII championship match. I believe Drake asked TA to do it within 24 hours of the MMII final closing. That "deadline" runs out in just under seven hours from now -- Sorceror Nobody 18:13, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

where can we find Terra vs Vivi? Judge Magister Pyarox 18:20, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Here. How long it takes to show up, however, depends on TA -- Sorceror Nobody 18:34, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's really annoying though that this fight hasn't been changed since a month. I don't say that we should overthrow TA, but this is ridiculous. At least he should "hire" someone else to do the changes if he is not able or somewhere else. RazielZero 20:49, December 17, 2010 (UTC)



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