Week 150 Celebration[edit source]

Shiva v. Ifrit[edit source]

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54 1/2 to 38
This is a rematch, and a classic, iconic fight that hails back to Week 18! WINNER!

Votes for Shiva[edit source]

  1. As much as I love Ifrit, I'm going for Shiva. I couldn't decide, so I just went for Shiva because she's female. XD ...Yay! First vote! Hytey 15:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. For teh sexeh. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Because she was the first summon in any FF game I've ever acquired, and after summoning her for the first time, I was like WTF O.o MMLN メーマウリアン 16:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Because she reminds me of Celsius from Tales of Eternia, which is my current obsession right now. LC 17:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. What Drake said. And because I have very fond memories of Shiva.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png18:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I've liked Shiva (and all the versions of her I've encountered) since I started with this series; I have yet to find an Ifrit incarnation I like at all. The.DreadnoughT 19:01, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. I started really liking Shiva in my FFX playthrough (when I killed Anima twice with her). Also, she is cute... KujaRhapsodos 19:39, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Ditto--Xabryn 19:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Style and deadly power Hamfruitcake 09 19:48, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Shiva sisters FTW! A.J. two (Smashboards) 19:57, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Every time I summon her I have to watch her cutscene :) FinalFantasyAerith 20:20, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  12. RazielZero 20:29, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  13. My paws are as frozen as the icy pillar of destruction Bjarnster 21:31, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Diamond Dust is just amazing. And, she was the first summon I ever received (props to VIII! ^.~)Gengle 21:38, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  15. BlueHighwind : Icey ice ice ice.
  16. KefkaPVI 22:46, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  17. For the sexy. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Shiva is slightly stronger then Ifrit in most FF games, Diamond Dust is also a lot cooler then Hellfire. She is also one of the main 6 Eidolons in FFXIII, Ifrit isn't.KaiserPaladin 00:43, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Tough, I like them both a lot (especially their FFX versions like the images). I like fire better that ice, but Shiva was a bit "cooler" than Ifrit in X and was awesome in XIII. Yrl 00:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  20. --Moocowisi 02:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Ice is my favourite element of ALL..and plus, Shiva is awesome with Diamond Dust--Koori-san 09:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  22. I really like Ifrit, and if I could vote for both, I would. But I have always loved Shiva. Always. Dan-Iota 11:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Mint Pizza. Hurr hurr. :D 尾藤 15:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Shiva all the way. I mean, sure, Ifrit is an awesome summon, and I do not consider him weaker than Shiva, but... Ice ist just my element, it has always been. So: Shiva MirrorshardSceada 16:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  25. My vote goes for the Goddess of Ice.Soren 4ever 17:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Diamond Dust sounds too good. :D Liang 18:25, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  27. SilverCrono 19:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  28. I prefer ice to fire. oglop_master 17:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Mostly because the FFX picture was used, and she was my second favorite aeon in X.Aarim 02:33, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  30. While they were pretty much equal throughout basically all of the series, Shiva was present and awesome in XIII, making her edge out in my book. -Nokareon
  31. Ice was a better element and Ifrit kinda scared me when I saw him for the first time in FFX..--TerraBranford145322 11:08, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Since Summons are, by far, strongest in FFX, that's what I'm judging on. Let's see, Ifrit was slow, Shiva was not. Shiva's special ability slowed her enemy even more, Ifrit's special ability was slower than a regular attack. Ifrit comes with Fire, Shiva comes with Blizzard and Blizzara. It was an easy choice. Intercision 14:58, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  33. She is definitely one of the sexiest video game character/fictional character of all time... Oh and she also saved my butt, countless of times!! BboyMog 20:28, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  34. The Man In The Black Cape 20:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Shiva is my third favorite summon after Leviathan and Bahamut.--StragusLore 18:28, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  36. I find her more useful. Besides, she's been known to be a lot nicer than Ifrit.Mynameissora 05:36, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  37. She's awesome. . . and I like ice. XxRikku-chanxX 12:26, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Hot. OavatosDK◕‿◕ 02:56, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  39. There really isn't another choice. Legend of Fantasy 17:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Ice is my secondary element.User:Patriot62 16:58, June6 2010
  41. Gonna have to go with Shiva. She's just too awesome. Sorry Ifrit. Lord Knight Xiron 20:41, June 7, 2010 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  42. Shiva's hot ironically XD and ice is my 2º favorite element and fire is my least favorite element. User:Theultimatemage June 9, 2010 1:31 (UTC)
  43. I know this reason is getting very overused, but... for the sexy -- Sorceror Nobody 14:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Ice>Fire and she turns into a motorcycle in FFXIII. Oh, and she has boobs. Xaphnir 05:58, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  45. +1 vote for the Queen of Summons! --Equalyzer 12:33, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  46. It really couldn't be anyone else. Blizzaga!--Wavesteel 00:29, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  47. Shiva! Smexy and awesomeness is a winner in my book. --{{SUBST:Nosubst|Signatures/Raian the Fallen}} 06:52, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  48. I feel obliged to defend my favourite element and summon.Time-mage 15:06, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  49. I vote for Shiva :D, simply because she's so awesomely...awesome. Mishaxshia 15:00, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  50. The Ice Queen melted my heart <3 -- Copycatloki 18:55, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
  51. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 02:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 05:09, May 31, 2010 (UTC)Shiva owns
  3. 11:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)Shiva is hot!!...well, you know what I mean...
  4. Shiva has a really cool look in ff10 and 1382.3.2.188 20:00, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I second the fact that she was cool in X and XIII. 02:09, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I hail from a land of ice and snow, so Shiva has my vote. 18:11, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Yup, gonna have to go with Shiva here. She's awesome... and cool. 03:43, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Ifrit[edit source]

  1. DemonLikeacupcake 15:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. FIRE! FaythOfFenrir 16:39, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. He can ride on a molten boulder(sometimes). Pure cool right there(when it happens).AnonyMan 16:51, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. He has fiery hot temper and I have fiery hot temper. Coincidence? Cluna 06 17:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Hellfire!! MrAllStar2
  6. Always love the fire! Zeypher 19:29, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. He was my first summon battle.... tahn and an Ifrit appears in SatSR, although its completely unrelated to this Ifrit. TARDISES 19:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Flame ON OwlEye 20:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Fire was always one my favorite elements. NeoZEROX 20:13, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Meteor strike > Ice block. Mog&Boko 20:18, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  11. First summon I've encountered in my life. User:FFVIIACCXD 20:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  12. My first summon. When I was little, I thought that he was awesome because his attack had the word hell in it.Sunpanda2012 00:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Fire melts ice... Simple as that. Kamikaze Pardee 01:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Ifrit is made of awesome!!! It's that simple.Golbez91
  15. You argue with the flaming beast from hell, you get torched with the fires of hell. That said, my vote goes red again for the flaming manbeast, Ifrit. King of Noobs 02:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Fire PWNs! Uppfinnarn 06:14, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  17. First time i ever saw or heard of FF, brother was summoning Ifrit on FF8 as i walked in the room NeoExdeath 06:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  18. ScudsScuds 08:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)Fire melts ice
  19. Balthierfan 11:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC) I use him more than shiva (usually a little cheaper in older games)
  20. First summon I ever used, and he has grown more awesome over the years. While Shiva is usually awesome as well, her XIII apperance kinda disappointed me. Rakanadyo 13:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Ifrit was the first summon I saw. He was there, in a picture of a game magazine, reviewing Final Fantasy VIII. He seemed so evil yet so good, I wondered what the heck it was. Found out years later it was a summon (I was reading the magazine at the age of 7 or 8). I've always liked Ifrit more than Shiva so... ZaFlareStar 18:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Extremely tough fight for me, but since lots of people are voting for Ifrit because he was their first summon, I will too. Party at the FF8 Fire cavern WOO! CardboardBoxMan 05:05, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Definitely two of the best, so i flipped a coin. BritPenance 12:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Fire all the way. ShadowLaguna 01:17, June 2, 2010 (DMT+12)
  25. Tonberi II 13:41, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Well, this is kinda fair. Sol Vent 06:33, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  27. his overdrives more awesome B A R R Y 00:45, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Fire pwns Ice PinkAye 21:52, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Fire melts ice so bye bye Shiva and hello puddle of water.Besides,hellfire in FFX especially is simply awesome theWOL 7:46, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  30. I like both, but I've always thought it was interesting how Ifrit has evolved over the series to become more beast than human, wheras Shiva always retains relatively same design, though her split personality in XIII was cool. 8bit 15:28, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Hellfire says it all for me AtmaCrisis 01:05, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  32. FinalAnnihilator 10:48, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  33. I just love fire! ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 13:56, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  34. He comes first, so he is more useful in the long run, since he's around longer. --Azecreth 19:12, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
  35. It is a massive demon!! Highwind 16 12:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
  36. have you never seen him in action? He is epic to say the least! Atherserpens 9:54, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 10:03, June 8, 2010 (UTC) ifrit is cooler
  2. 08:35, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 22:04, June 11, 2010 (UTC) Ifrit is a humanoid/minotaur = awesome
  4. 06:06, June 13, 2010 (UTC) Ifrit is a fire demon, what else do you want?

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Battle of who's the HOTTEST! xD JohnnyC 19:15, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Are all these fights for real? I hope the multiple fights are real. They're all really good. Yrl 00:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ya; it's the 150th week celebration. Likeacupcake 00:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Cool; I'm glad. Yrl 01:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
While we're here we should use this as an opportunity to thank TA for all that (s)he has done for us! Thanks TA for keeping things running! Likeacupcake 01:06, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed! Yrl 02:00, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

So this is a rematch eh? Hm. Looks like Shiva has the advantage right now. Ifrit is cool and all, but Shiva was the first summon I ever seen. Although Leviathan is still cooler.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png03:31, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

YAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!! They accepted it!!!1!1one! \:D/ Mynameissora 05:26, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Zidane v. Balthier[edit source]

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It hardly seems like a month is complete without someone getting their derrière handed to them by Balthier. You guys voted for it, so you guys get to vote for it.

Oh yes, and aren't they so cute?


Votes for Zidane[edit source]

  1. Zidane Likeacupcake 15:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Best FF protagonist ever :) MMLN メーマウリアン 16:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Because Zidane is my hero.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png16:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Because unlike Balthier, he isn't a prick. FaythOfFenrir 16:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Everything Balthier is and more...including more likable and awesome.--AnonyMan 16:45, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. What FaythOfFenrir said. The.DreadnoughT 19:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  8. I'm just going to vote for this one.Zeypher 19:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Only one of the 2 I know. TARDISES 19:37, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Zidane, Zidane, Zidane! Woot woot! KujaRhapsodos 19:38, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Zidane had the best Ultima Weapon by far. Also, if any game in the series could pull off a good sequel, it's IX. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  12. FFIX much more fun game in my opinion, plus Zidane's weaponry is far superior to Balthier's paltry guns. Hamfruitcake 09 19:47, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  13. He's God. Mog&Boko 20:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  14. I liked him in Dissidia xD FinalFantasyAerith 20:18, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  15. RazielZero 20:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  16. I´d make a refference to something but i just don't know what Bjarnster 21:29, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  17. IX was the best in the series, only a proper reason for Zidane to win. Gengle 21:39, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Zidane knows he's the lead character to the point where he need not even acknowledge it. Meanwhile, Balthier is so unsure of his role in the story he shoves his head up his (explitive) to figure it out. Or at least he comes across as an arrogant (explitive). Basch > Vaan > THEN Balthier. =) Adelbert
  19. This is like Sophie's choice, but in the end I gotta love Zidane more than Balthier just for "Try something drastic." Hyacynth 00:00, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  20. I love both FFIX and FFXII, I love both Zidane and Balthier, but I think Zidane is slightly better, he made it to Dissidia, he is the main character of his game and his game can be played in the PS3 which makes the game much more enjoyable then playing it on any other console. KaiserPaladin 00:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  21. While Balthier's got a lot of style, maybe even more than Zidane, I gotta go with monkey boy, the angel of death. Yrl 00:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Kamikaze Pardee 01:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Balthier is overrated. --Moocowisi 02:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Hmm... my vote goes to the monkey boy. If Balthier's the leading man, why'd he let square-enix tell the story from Vaan's point of view. Plus, chibi-Zidane is a whole lot cuter. King of Noobs 02:44, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Faethinte audio : Vas-y, Voleur! Tu vas réussir!
  26. I absolutely hate Balthier, he's not even that great, and as a supposed leading man, he never did do much NeoExdeath 06:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Zidane. LC 09:15, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  28. As much as I like Balthier....Zidane is just too cute to vote against--Koori-san 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  29. My favourite main character behind Lightning. Therefore I need no other reason to vote for him. Dan-Iota 11:16, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Really damn hard choice, I like both of these characters, so at a situation like this I must imagine myself in the characters group and I'd probably like Zidane more than Balthier. ZaFlareStar 18:19, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  31. I don't know much about Balthier, and maybe, if I did, my vote wouldn't be on this side, but well... Since I hardly know anything about Balthier, and have always considerrd Zidane cool and interessting, my vote goes to him. I mean, after all, there were times, when I'd just randomly pose in his battle stance xD That's gotta count for something MirrorshardSceada 16:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  32. I really love Balthier, but my love for IX probably outweighs my love for XII very slightly. oglop_master 17:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Zidane is much better. He would steal Balthier's gun and shoot him with it, then Zidane would steal his woman, Fran and have crazy monkey sex with her. CardboardBoxMan 04:56, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  34. He is Cool, Clever, Nimble, and Powerful enough that he is created to destroy a world on his own, and while Balthier had great character, he is not capable of defeating the "enemy of the people of Gaia". Sorry leading man, But the Angel of death stands with prestige. A.X.A 11:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Zidane. don't need any reason.Tonberi II 13:43, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Because i like Garnet, that's why I'm voting for him... anyway he's also a cool character. BboyMog 20:30, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Zidane, definately. Caellach
  38. This just isn't fair. Sol Vent 06:31, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Monkey boy for the win!--StragusLore 18:28, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Zidane!!! XxRikku-chanxX 12:28, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  41. They're really equal, but I must follow my feelings. Discordius 22:22, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  42. I have to, IX got me started. Void Captain 19:29, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Zidane is ninja. OavatosDK◕‿◕ 02:56, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Zidane FROEVER. He's the FF series' greatest protagonist! Apathetic Piggy 06:56, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Zidane is the best. --Sovereign92 09:57, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  46. AtmaCrisis 00:58, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  47. He had more energy. ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 14:01, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  48. Zidane was always cool. Legend of Fantasy 17:38, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  49. The true "leading man": he actually used his lead role in I Want to Be Your Canary to close out FFIX and cement it as my favorite FF. Nothing against Balthier, though, he deserved to win in every other fight. 8bit 17:29, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
  50. Zidane hands down! Not only does he have the coolest version of Ultima weapon, He's also part monkey AND resembles Edward Elric From fullmetal alchemist! The power of short heroes cannot be mathched! Xilnochas 19:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
  51. FinalAnnihilator 22:13, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Balthier is awesome but Zidane is even better in just about everything. DragoonNobodies 12:43, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
  53. Balthier might be the leading man, but Zidane gets to fuck Garnet. Xaphnir 06:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  54. According to OavatosDK, this fight is a traditional ninjas vs. pirates. Ninjas win. Also, Zidane is a more interesting character... Angel of Death. Aquamarine39 21:59, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  55. [quote]Balthier might be the leading man, but Zidane gets to fuck Garnet. Xaphnir[/quote] Theentertainer 19:17, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  56. Vote goes here. I simply like Zidane better than Balthier. A little bit at least. -- Copycatloki 18:57, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Zidane is Awesome AND cute! x3 15:56, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 02:25, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. 12:38, May 31, 2010 (UTC)I like Zidane and IX was a far superior game to XII.
  4. Voting for my favorite FF lead of all time :) 18:09, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Zidane is one of my favorite protagonists and just overall characters in the entire series. 03:45, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  6. ...It's Zidane. What else needs to be said? #
  7. How does Zidane look like a monkey?? He only has a monkey-like tail... >>; I like both, but Zidane is just a cutie and he's tough when he wants to be. Plus, he's my number one favorite ff character ever and I adore FFIX!! 19:01, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Balthier[edit source]

  1. "I play the leading man, who else?" Uppfinnarn 12:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I hate Zidane, even though he is a rare character, and I think Balthier's much cooler. Hytey 15:38, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Awesome lines ftw! Cluna 06 17:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. OwlEye 20:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I've never played XII or IX, but I don't necessarily like Tailed Humans AJtwosig.gif 20:14, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. He's the leading man. ClixPsi 20:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. BlueHighwind : He's the leading man, of course.
  8. KefkaPVI 22:46, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Why wouldn't I vote for the leading man? Sunpanda2012 00:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  10. For the sexy - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Leading man has to win this one. And no monkey tailed thief is going to stop him!!!Golbez91
  12. Balthierfan 11:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC) My name says all
  13. One of the most difficult choices I have come by so far. But I have to go with Han Solo Balthier. He was awesome in most (if not all) games he has been in, plus he is the leading man. Rakanadyo 13:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Pity vote. :< 尾藤 15:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  15. As much as I love IX, I absolutely love Balthier. (He's my favorite character in the series)Soren 4ever 17:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  16. SilverCrono 19:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  17. I haven't played IX yet, and normally I wouldn't vote, but since Balthier is losing...Aarim 02:35, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  18. While it is true that IX is my favorite game... Zidane is far from my favorite character in IX. Vivi, Steiner, Amarant, and Quina all come somewhere before him in my point. Zidane is just far too classic hero, and far too bishonen for my tastes. Give me the man who said every amazing quote in XII, almost rivaling Kefka in quotability. -Nokareon
  19. Balthier, the name itself is self-explanatory! Finalfreakfantasy 09:28, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Now who do you think would normally win when a Monkey fights against a Gun? BritPenance 12:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Balthier doesn't even need to fight, he's too epic for that. Intercision 15:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  22. I don't like monkeys and he looks like one, no offense to Zidane's fans--Xabryn 17:35, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Balthier, any day. Zidane is like Balthier, except that he is inferior in every respect. Balthier is suave and sophisticated, Zidane is not. Zidane is a petty thief, Balthier is a sky pirate with his own airship. Balthier is a ladies' man, Zidane is annoying at best, and a perv at worst. Balthier has good voice acting and a good script, Zidane has neither. Balthier is interesting, Zidane is not. The only time I came close to liking Zidane was in the You Are Not Alone Scene in Castle Pandemonium. The rest of the time? Boring. The Man In The Black Cape 20:41, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Why is the leading man losing, here, guys? Jamiemitsu FTW 10:10, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Cuz he's more than just a theif. He's a sky pirate. Mynameissora 05:33, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  26. I simply do not like the idea of cross-breeding.Furthermore getting an annoying freak out of it... theWOL 7:44, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  27. As obnoxious as I find him, in a fight Balthier would win against Zidane any day. Through Licenses he's not bound to any single class, weapon, armor, or magic. Zidane is always stuck as a thief...albeit a slightly more powerful one than in other incarnations, but a thief nonetheless.Eyestothesky 19:14, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Epic sideburns > tail. Otherwise, I don't really care for either Lord Knight Xiron 20:42, June 7, 2010 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  29. In a straight fight, I think Zidane would win. However, in actuality, Balthier has guns. Zidane won't even get near him -- Sorceror Nobody 14:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  30. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 05:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC) Zidane is cool, but Balthier is just awesome.
  2. Baltheir was one of the good things about ffxii82.3.2.188 19:59, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. You know what they say aboit the leading man, he never dies ;) 02:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  4. One word: gun

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I wonder if Zidane will murder Balthier. Zidane is God around here.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png20:51, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

  • Certainly seems like it, though he only got my vote because well, I have no idea who the other one is! TARDISES 23:24, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
Much as I like Balthier and his awesome lines, Zidane is, and always will be, my FF persona.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png18:06, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
But I still have no idea who that other one is... I'm not talking about the FF9 character. TARDISES 00:22, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
Balthier is from XII, a sky-pirate, what ever that is. I think people like Zidane because he's not a down-in-the-dumps, depressed and/or emo male lead. He was what he wants, when he wants, because he wants, nothing more, nothing less. Likeacupcake 00:25, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
That... didn't exactly clear anything up for me about the character. I haven't played 12 (and don't exactly have the means to.) TARDISES 00:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
Isn't anyone going to explain then? TARDISES 21:10, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
Click on the link for "Balthier" if you want all the details. That's what the Wiki's for. In short he's a ladies man like Zidane, but he's human, not a monkey boy/angel of death. Despite being raised in a wealthy family, he's a pirate...who owns his own airship. He's arrogant, but fun-loving, adventurous, and loyal, and he's got a hot Viera partner, Fran. I still voted for Zidane though. Yrl 21:16, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

So Zidane even murdered Balthier... I guess Zidane really is a God.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png01:49, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

I dont get why people call Balthier the "Lead Man". Vaan was the lead in XII. Balthier just overshadowed him. -.- -- 15:13, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

They're just playing up to his running gag(i.e. numerously labeling himself as the "Leading Man") or are calling him that because they deny Vaan's status as the Lead. Or both most likely.AnonyMan 18:59, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

@Xaphnir's vote: Two reasons. One is that Balthier isn't there to beat him to it, and the other is that even if he was there, he's got Fran, dammit! He'd have Garnet if he had a chance and was interested. He's been known to attract the attention of other princesses, after all... -- Sorceror Nobody 13:36, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Fran? Is that a joke? Tonberi 'II' 14:06, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Tonberi, that comment was directed at Xaphnir's sexually explicit comment about Zidane and Garnet, so the previous comment has to do with Fran being more attractive than Garnet, not the usefulness of either of their characters, although in Fran's defense, she never became completely useless like Garnet during the period of time when she couldn't even speak. Yrl 00:55, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
The question is, do you think it is? -- SN, 14:34, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Something wrong with that? Fran was just a joke that had no place in XIITonberi 'II' 15:03, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, you're saying Fran herself is the joke? Interesting -- SN, 16:22, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

There's no need for Fran in the game at all that's why I say so.

Also, nobody has voted in these fights for almost a week nowTonberi 'II' 17:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yrl, WRONG! 1)Fran is useless as soon as you start the game. And that's all . GET to a NEW fight already. Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi

Haha, well I suppose if you didn't use Fran in XII then you didn't need her. I agree that it'd be nice if a new fight was posted soon. Yrl 17:45, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, the two most bashed characters (Vaan and Penelo) are in my main party with Balthier, while Fran is relegated to my other party with Ashe and Basch. Not that I don't raise both parties equally, but calling the first party my "main" one is literal -- Sorceror Nobody 17:52, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

My main was Vaan, Basch and Ashe. I never used Fran because she was too weak in battles. Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi

Lulu v. Moogles[edit source]

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In a world where moogles do the bidding of their masters, these moogles have had enough and now its time for vengeance. Will Lulu survive the onslaught until morning, or will she fall prey to the very moogles she once commanded. WINNER!

Votes for Lulu[edit source]

  1. FIRST!!! MMLN メーマウリアン 16:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I used her alot surprisingly, especially after she learned Doublecast. MrAllStar2
  3. Most awesome character of FFX. Not to mention able to get doublecast everything short of Meteor...and downright scary overdrives: Death Fury, Ultima Fury... Besides, who's the one that has another whole character as her ultimate weapon? The.DreadnoughT 19:11, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Love Lulu! Zeypher 19:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I utterly love Lulu. Screw Moogles. (I DIDN'T SAY THAT. It's just that Lulu is so awesome....) KujaRhapsodos 19:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I'mm sorry Moogles OwlEye 20:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. LULULULULULULULU!!!! A.J. two (Smashboards) 20:14, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  8. KefkaPVI 22:47, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. For the sexy - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Moogles are awesome, but I can't in good conscience vote for a collective group over an individual, unless I can pick out a character that can compete by itself. Lulu vs. a random moogle (even Mog or Montblanc), definitely Lulu. Yrl 00:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Lulu is ace. She could kill them with her Overdrive. Anyway, hers were puppets, not actual moogles, so she'd still have her weapons. Dan-Iota 11:14, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Moogles get killed, kupo.Tonberi II 13:47, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  13. This fight is hilarious. 8bit 17:30, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
  14. FinalAnnihilator 22:13, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Master of Moogles, pulling your strings
    Twisting your mind, smashing your dreams
    Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
    Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream
    Master, Master
    Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
    Master, Master

    Payback for the "Shantoto incident". King Nothing Where's your crown? 13:54, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Lulu is one of my favorite mages <3 -- Copycatloki 18:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 05:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC) How embarassing that Lulu is losing to a bunch of cute fluffballs without a specific personality.
  2. 12:47, June 10, 2010 (UTC) Lulu is going to suffocate the moogles one by one by putting their heads between her boobies so they can't breath. Lulu FTW!

Votes for Moogles[edit source]

  1. Moogle Likeacupcake 15:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I like Lulu, but I'm going for one of the mascots of FF. Hytey 15:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. BY THE POWER OF KUPO... FaythOfFenrir 16:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Lulu lost the moment she realized who Stiltzkin is.AnonyMan 16:46, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. This is by far the most kupo fight I've ever seen.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png18:52, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. The manipulated will always turn on their masters... EHEHEHEH! xp JohnnyC 19:18, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Moogles are awesome, Lulu is a bitch. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  8. I know moogles, but not that other character. TARDISES 19:37, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Moogles sre the best part of Final Fantasy! Kupo! Hamfruitcake 09 19:45, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Because no moogle has ever had sex with Wakka. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:49, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Moogles are so awesome. Myself 123 19:51, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Lulu, much as your black magic is amazing, I've seen a moogle push an iron bell over just for a kupo nut. Moogles win. Mog&Boko 20:12, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  13. They are just too cute!! FinalFantasyAerith 20:17, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  14. RazielZero 20:31, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  15. ClixPsi 20:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  16. What was the suggestor smoking when he come up with this idea? Bjarnster 21:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  17. BlueHighwind : I'm kupo for kupo-puffs!
  18. Sunpanda2012 00:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  19. A staple in the Final Fantasy series almost always beats any character. Kamikaze Pardee 01:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  20. --Moocowisi 02:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Boobies are nice, but pom-poms are just plain cute. King of Noobs 02:42, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Faethinte audio : Don't mess with Moogles.
  23. They're sharpening their knives, kupo. Hyacynth 05:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  24. other reason needed NeoExdeath 06:09, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Lulu's packages are nice, but the belts make her so.. ugh. LC 09:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Kupo! Kupo-po! Kupo!! Uppfinnarn 12:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Moogles have done many remarkble things, and they have many big names amung them. Stiltzkin, Mog, Madeen, and Montblanc to counter any Black Magic Lulu could use on them. Kupo! Rakanadyo 13:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  28. KUPO! That one word justifies ALL votes for Moogles. Sleepy phoenix 13:30, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  29. I was never a fan of Lulu...>.>--Koori-san 13:37, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Kupo! ZaFlareStar 18:21, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  31. 尾藤 15:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Kupo! Kupopopo! Kupo! - Do I need to say anything more? =D MirrorshardSceada 16:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  33. As much as I liked Lulu in FFX; I love Mog in FFVI and Montblanc. Two against one.Soren 4ever 17:44, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Kupo!!Liang 18:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Lulu is totally unKupo! Johuotar 18:39, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  36. SilverCrono 19:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Lulu never stood a chance.CardboardBoxMan 04:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  38. They say Kupo. Does Lulu say Kupo? I didn't think so. -Nokareon
  39. Moogle Murder! BritPenance 12:38, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Kupo-po! Karu
  41. Because i think SAVE is the most essential ability in Final Fantasy. BboyMog 20:31, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Without Moogles, what good is a FF game? T-T Caellach
  43. Sooooo not fair. Sol Vent 06:30, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Kupo! Jamiemitsu FTW 10:11, June 2, 2010 (UTC)\
  45. Lulu's a rhymes with witch Kupo!--StragusLore 18:28, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  46. There's one Lulu, and an entire race of moogles. PinkAye 22:10, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  47. Let's take a look at all the ones on their side besides the generic moogle: Montblanc, Nono, Hurdy, Gurdy, Horne... I think we have a winner here. Mynameissora 05:32, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  48. I like stuffed animal-like creatures saying Kupo or Nyaa. theWOL 7:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  49. How could any character from FFX compete with Mog, Stiltzkin, Artemicion, Mogster, Moguta, Noggy, (...)? Discordius 22:24, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  50. --Xabryn 15:28, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  51. so i herd evry1 liekz kupoz? Kupo- that's all you need. --HavocReaper'48 19:20, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  52. KUPO!!! AtmaCrisis 01:03, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  53. ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 14:03, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  54. Moogles are awesome! Legend of Fantasy 17:39, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  55. If six moogles can hold their own against Feolthanos, then the entire moogle race combined will have zero trouble in utterly destroying Lulu. It's not that I don't like Lulu, just that she has no hope whatsoever here -- Sorceror Nobody 14:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  56. One day, Lulu's moogles all gather and rebel... Lulu was interesting but not one of better characters in FF (except for certain voluptuous area). Also, come on! Of course the entire moogle race can defeat a single mage. Aquamarine39 21:46, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  57. Vote Goes Here. MOOGLE KUPO! Moogles are extremely Powerful. Don't Believe Me? Just play FFVI & IX again.Theentertainer 19:24, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I hate Lulu but moogles are cute82.3.2.188 19:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Kupo! 02:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Some strong hallucinogens inspired this fight. Actually, some strong hallucinogens also inspired that woman's outfit. 18:08, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I like Lulu, but Moogles are Moogles, and you gotta love em. 03:46, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Lulu rarely carried her weight for me, but my moogle has carried my Crystal Challice through Miasma for me many a time.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@ Lulu annon 1: they're moogles; if they were dancing ring-a-ring-a-rosy on a pile of of mutilated children, cover in blood, they would still be cute and cuddly. Likeacupcake 06:08, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

That is true. Sad and creepy, but true. Yrl 08:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for that mental image. Doreiku Kuroofangu 09:05, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Kupo-podee-podeeyo! KujaRhapsodos 19:54, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

THE Worst landslide. Ever. Worse than Vegnagun vs. SinTonberi II 15:09, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Not quite. Right now it's (if I remember the scoring method right) 54 to 12 ½ and the fight's not even over. However, Sin versus Vegnagun was 67 ½ to 12 for Sin, not counting the anonymous votes that weren't signed. And not considering that the first vote for Vegnagun was probably in the wrong column... The.DreadnoughT 17:25, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

If I remember right, then sin vs. Vegnagun was 75 to 15, counting all of the anonymous vote, which would make this the second worst then (56 to 13.5).Tonberi II 13:39, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

( Lulu, my love, what has happened to you? Why are you losing.... WHY?!? Kuja_and_Lulu 19:54, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Right, what's the non-moogle character? TARDISES 16:22, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Her name is a link to her page where you can read all about her. However, if you want the information here for some reason, her name is Lulu, she is a black mage from Final Fantasy X, she seems cold but is very loyal and concerned about certain people, especially Yuna, the female protagonist of X who she considers a younger sister. Her parents died when she was five, her boyfriend died a few years prior to the events of X and these traumatic events may have led to her introversion. She is unusually open minded compared to Wakka who is a bit of a religious zealot at first. Oh, and the game's camera likes to focus on her cleavage. I used way too many commas. Aarim 15:04, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not exactly able to play 10, that's why I wouldn't know. TARDISES 09:31, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

...why is there a single, non-recurring, moderately-liked character against an entire race, complete with its own individual characters, that are loved by pretty much everyone and appear in a very large number of games? Seems like a very strange choice of combatants..... Lord Knight Xiron 20:47, June 7, 2010 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron

Video games don't have to make sense. ^^AnonyMan 22:28, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't this a bit unfair? One person vs an entire race? One annoying goth chick with bad temper vs an entire race of insanely cute adorable little moogles at that? Uppfinnarn 17:06, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

SOLDIER vs. the Archadian Empire, Sephiroth vs. anything that can breathe or pick up a weapon, Kuja blowing up an entire planet, etc., etc., etc. This is Final Fantasy. Unfair is how we roll. King Nothing Where's your crown? 14:03, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Let's not forget Ultros versus Gilgamesh or Blackjack versus the Falcon. Now THOSE were really unfair. But you make a good point.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png02:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't need to be fair. Also, NO MORE LYRICS. Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi 14:02, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

I never said that it had to be fair. Also, give me a little credit, ne? Unlike someone I'm not going to mention, I only posted the chorus, not the entire godforsaken song. Also, it was intended as a somewhat parody of that. King Nothing Where's your crown? 14:26, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think Lulu should be the winner here, she's the only lovable black mage in the entire series, not to mention that moogles are so irritating. Plus Lulu had her own phrases when she casted magics for the first time. She never had useless dances, and was always useful in any combat situation. Plus she was one of the, if not the most amazing character in the entire series, enough said.

For three straight weeks actually. I said it to agree with what you said. It's Final Fantasy. Nothing has to be fair here. Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi15:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Moogles ARE irritating. I fail to see why nearly everyone seems to think they're so cute and/or badass. The only black mages that can come close to Lulu (in my opinion) are... actually, I don't think anyone comes close to Lulu. King Nothing Where's your crown? 12:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

There's Vivi, but it's alright if you disagree with that. Tonberry DynamiTracer.gifTonberi
I haven't played IX, so I can't judge Vivi. I suppose the closest from the games I have played would be Rinoa, Hope, and Yuffie. Just for the record, Yuffie actually turned outto be my second-best charachter in VII after Cloud, but I'm not bashing those who disagree. King Nothing Where's your crown? 13:31, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Why is this fight stil "undecided"? -- Sorceror Nobody 09:57, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Edea v. Golbez[edit source]

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Black Magic stuff. Both weren't as evil as they appeared to be in the end. WINNER!

Votes for Edea[edit source]

  1. Hytey 15:31, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. One of the more unique villains in the series. FaythOfFenrir 16:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Cool character...takes guts to make a organization with the purpose to whoop your ass. AnonyMan 16:49, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. She nearly KILLED the protagonist. Golbez was held back by family ties. TARDISES 19:38, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Because she looks like she would win with her devilish good looks. Hamfruitcake 09 19:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Because she's awesome (Though I've nevr played VIII) AJtwosig.gif 20:15, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Love her dress! FinalFantasyAerith 20:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  8. ClixPsi 20:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. The sorceress who started it all for me. Gengle 21:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  10. BlueHighwind : Listen and you will understand...
  11. Yrl 00:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  12. My votes for the lady. You're not a real black mage if you're wearing plate armor. King of Noobs 02:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Golbez is in the end just too weak NeoExdeath 06:07, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Prefer her design, is all. Dan-Iota 11:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  15. The only though vote for me this week... Both Golbez and Edea are pretty strong magicians, and can deal a lot of damage. Plus, Golbez has an amazing armor, but... Edea seems better to me. She's the stronger mage in my book, and so get's my vote MirrorshardSceada 17:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  16. They're both cool, but by game I liked VIII better than IV.Soren 4ever 17:46, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  17. I just like a female that can kick ASS!! BboyMog 20:33, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Too many people obsess over Golbez, so I'll vote for the one whom people don't obsess over. Legend of Fantasy 17:45, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  19. She is my favorite Final Fantasy character ever! Tied with Quina Quen from FInal Fantasy IX!--Silver Praetor 17:50, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  20. FinalAnnihilator 22:14, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Because even though Golbez also joins the party, Edea isn't AI controlled. King Nothing Where's your crown? 13:44, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  22. I will always support the Descendant of Hyne. -- Copycatloki 18:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. as much as i like ffiv...Edea was a better charcter for a slightly dull game. 19:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 05:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC) Edea is hot and awesome!

Votes for Golbez[edit source]

  1. Badass Likeacupcake 15:33, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:06, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. hard to choose here, but Golbez is winning due to his badassness in Dissidia MMLN メーマウリアン 16:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  4. My favorite antagonist or a character that I don't know very well, that is a hard choice</sarcasm>--Xabryn 16:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Golbez. That's why.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Ditto. Cluna 06 17:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Golbez would destroy MrAllStar2
  8. Looks so much more bad@$$ Zeypher 19:31, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  9. .... Myself 123 19:48, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Crazy duck in space up on the effin moon OwlEye 20:05, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  11. RazielZero 20:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Never hesitate to kill !! Bjarnster 21:25, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  13. KefkaPVI 22:47, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  14. For the....wait a minute... - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Sunpanda2012 00:20, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Instead of repeating myself everytime someting from FFVIII comes up, I will just say once again Anything VS something related directly from FFVIII will always win. Besides Golbez made it to Dissidia. KaiserPaladin 00:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Kamikaze Pardee 02:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  18. --Moocowisi 02:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Golbez has everything you need for an awesome villan. He's got stylish black armor (with spikes!!!), that deep voice that fills you with fear when he arrives on the scene, and he can destroy you with extremely powerful magic. Golbez will whoop nearly anybody's ass!!!Golbez91
  20. Imma firin' mah lazers! The.DreadnoughT 02:44, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Faethinte audio : Guide his inner shadow, Light and Dark above.
  23. Transcend the stars!! Man, Golbez is awesome...and he's such a good older brother..:p--Koori-san 09:31, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  24. For his awesome voice acting in the DS version Uppfinnarn 12:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Golbez is awesome. Sure he was being mind controlled, but he still did things well. He didnt even try to fight Zemus off, even after learning that the man he was to kill is his own brother. I prefer VIII over IV, but Edea being thrown out of the plot in the middle of the game ruined her whole villian thing. Rakanadyo 13:27, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  26. An organ play creeps anyone out. His voice could also impregnate Edea. Sorry VIII, but IV was just way better. ZaFlareStar 18:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  27. 尾藤 15:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Golbez kicks a55 in dissidia.. Liang 18:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Just finished FFIV and I think he's themes awesome. Johuotar 18:42, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Only because I kick a** with him in Dissidia. Ultimecia Edea? Not so much. SilverCrono 19:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  31. I'm in the middle of playing IV, and he seems cool, if a little over dramatic.Aarim 02:36, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Ugh, Edea's amazing, but IV was the first video game I ever played and I grew up with it, so Golbez holds a permanent seat among my pantheon of greatest villains. Nokareon
  33. A commander of pure light who never fail to overcome darkness. A.X.A 10:54, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Ok,both were controlled through the game,but Zemus/Zeromus is mentioned way before we see him. Ultimecia isn't mentioned till way later in the game. Not to mention Golbez looks awesome in that armor. Naruto195 15:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
  35. This just isn't fair. Sol Vent 06:29, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  36. I like them both. The difference is that Golbez may have been possessed as well, but he was thought to be the villain for most of IV. Edea was only the villain for a small portion of her game and didn't get the chance to show off how badass she could be. That and she fades into the background for most of the game after the second disk, only joining your party really briefly. Golbez still had great impact on the storyline of IV after he snapped out of his possession. Sorry Edea.--StragusLore 18:28, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Mynameissora 05:28, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  38. He just looks awesome and is one of my fave dissidia characters. theWOL 7:33, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  39. BIG G!!!!! Void Captain 17:27, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Haven't played VIII OavatosDK◕‿◕ 02:56, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
  41. FF IV w00t! XxRikku-chanxX 00:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Transcend the stars!! =D AtmaCrisis 01:04, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Yes. 8bit 17:31, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Highwind 16 12:25, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Before Dissidia, when I knew very little about Golbez, I may still have voted for him based on what little I did know. Having played Dissidia, it's cemented my vote for him. Also, Golbez ≠ Edea Syndrome. Sorry, Edea! -- Sorceror Nobody 14:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
  46. When it comes to black magic, Golbez will probably beat Edea, looking at what he did in FFIV. One of the most rewarding (combos!) and fun character to play in Dissidia. Also, nice shoulders. However, I don't think FFVIII was the worst. In fact, one of my favorites... Aquamarine39 21:40, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
  47. This is considered a Contest? Wow. Theentertainer 19:27 June 13, 2010

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. how can you resist his badass armor?! Golbez! Golbez! Golbez! plus I find FFIV a better game then FFVIII 15:59, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  2. FFVIII is the worst FF, nuff said. 02:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. FFIV is good, not the best FF but a very good game. FFVIII is the worst game ever created........ 11:21, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Golbez is a great magician and can summon a monster he would kill Edea with no problem-- 17:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Both manipulated by a higher villain, both amazing mages, and pretty neat characters to boot. A hard decision, but my vote's for Golbez because fighting him was so much more difficult than Edea. 18:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Golbez has way more personality than Edea, not to mention he's just straight up awesome! Besides, Golbez would CRUSH Edea. 03:49, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

XD at DeadlySlashSword! Yrl 08:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Why is it so many of you have a misconstrued assumption that FFVIII is the worst game ever? First, one title: Final Fantasy X-2.... Second, Square stepped out a little from the traditional MP system for casting magic. They made it in a way that would allow you to fully customize every character the way you want to instead of being limited to the way Square programmed them. And the story is a good one with a couple little flaws. It's my first FF that I've ever played, so it has some sentimental value, but its not as bad as some say it is. So why, without flaming, are your reasons for hating/loving FFVIII? FatesChosenHero 09:52, May, 31 2010

A FEW flaws? The plot made no sense what so ever! Firstly; they're mercenaries, that get assigned to some randoms, who could only hire people because they were cheap and Cid gave them a discount... doesn't sound much like proper mercs to me. But you can say that's just opinion. Ok, explain to me what the hell was going on with the lunar cry? That was the most messed up plot point I've ever seen. Let's not forget the whole space station crap. The time compression stuff was ridicules (Love can save us! Just believe in each other! Ya... you can get away with that in a five year old's pop-up book, not in an FF game).
Need I go on? Likeacupcake 15:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
SeeD was assigned to the Forest Owls probably because Headmaster Cid felt that they needed the help, and was kind enough to assist them with their task for a reduced price because so. Cid wasn't heartless... he thinks of SeeD as his own children, and even said it himself that he wouldn't want them to be heartless killing machines. The Lunar Cry... has happened twice before what happened in FFVIII: it destroyed the Centra Civilization thousands of years ago. It happened again during Laguna's quest in Trabia. It's a good explanation as to why monsters are on the planet in the first place, and it has mostly been used by Sorceresses (Adel and Ultimecia) to create havoc and destruction as they wanted; thus, was more a means to take over the world quicker. The space station was Esthar's, a civilization more advanced than even we are. Since they have little connection to the world outside their holographic walls and since they obviously are very scientific people, they'd go into space to study that outside of the world. Also, the space station was created to keep an eye on Sorceress Adel, and to make sure that she was never released from her prison. Finally, the Time Compression was Ultimecia trying to fuse the past, present and future into one using magic. Given their relationship to each other, the main characters used that bond to ensure they wouldn't get lost when time merged together. They were basically a group of brothers and sisters given they were foster children together. I can think of several games where the bonds of friendship were stronger than magic or some evil force... and I am sure you can too. FFVIII's story really isn't as bad as everyone makes it seem. At least it isn't FFX-2 where the purpose of this Charlie's Angels/Tomb Raider wanna-be story is to fill peoples' needs to actually have Tidus and Yuna be together. FatesChosenHero 11:41, May, 31 2010
They were cheap because they were new/young, not because they weren't skilled. Yeah, the Lunar Cry is a bit ridiculous but seeing as you're an FF fan, I'm going to assume that you're okay with ascensions to godhood, J-E-N-O-V-A, Sin and Yu Yevon, the Iifa tree and manufactured angels of death, the Occuria, and summons in general. They're all ridiculous (ridiculously awesome). I think things like the space station, Lunar Cry, and time compression just seem like a bigger problem because the world of VIII seems more like the real world than a lot of other FF games (particularly IX). I'll admit the "Love conquers all" bit was somewhat cheesy, but whatever. Yrl 18:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
FFVIII didn't suck - my least favorite game in the series is Mystic Quest, whenever I play a mediocre game I tell myself "Well at least it was better than MQ". As for FF8's flaws - horribly broken battle system lets you coast through the game with virtually no difficulty, due to refinement abilities and card playing give early access to the best spells in the game. Characters that, with the exception of Squall, Seifer, Edea and to a lesser extent Quistis and Rinoa, are shallow character archetypes that are very forgettable and do little to expand themselves beyond a handful of personality traits. The story is contrived with many plotholes, and is entirely derailed from a fairly basic, understandable "save the world" plot to involve time paradoxes, mind control and time travel that only serve to confuse the story further.
Of course, FFVIII is definitely a "Your Mileage Masy Vary" game. If you like it, good for you, if you hate it, good for you. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it. It was okay, it had flaws but it also had its pluses - an excellent ability system with GFs and Junctions, even if the battle system was broken it was theoretically sound. Many subquests to keep you involved, and while the plot was contrived it was quite ambitious and for that it should be recognized. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:22, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
Woah, we got walls of text going here! Perhaps I should clarify; I liked the game, I thoroughly enjoyed it... but that plot had more holes in it them a dam made out of Swiss chess after three days in the sun. I know what the lunar cry is by the way, but how the hell did they manage to cross the distance between the moon and the earth, without dieing? I won't go into astral physics, but even if it was close enough to earth to do that (which would wipe out all life on the planet) they would all die long before they reached the half way point. I know all about the space station, and though I don't remember the details... I remember that it made no sense what so ever. (Why did they go out there again? Wasn't it to see if they could heal Rinoa or something?). In short, the game was a sequence of unexplained plot points and deus ex machina. Likeacupcake 23:37, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
The main reason for them going to the space station is because Ellone was there, and Squall wanted to know what happened to Rinoa that put her in her coma so that he could try and help. And Ellone was there because Laguna was, and Laguna was trying to keep Ellone away from Ultimecia as best he could. FatesChosenHero 20:41, May, 31 2010 (UTC)
I think we should all be able to agree that the worst game ever is probably not a Final Fantasy game. That having been said neither VIII or X-2 is my least favorite FF game, although both have their flaws. VIII's "Draw" system was a pain. Optimizing characters meant either repeatedly using Draw points or "fighting" easy enemies and just using the "Draw" command over and over again. And once done with that a lot of time still needs to be spent in the menu distributing spells to the different characters in different stats. X-2's major flaw is conceptual, they wanted to make a sequel to a game that lost two of its major playable characters (Tidus & Auron) and another lost her greatest power (Yuna's summons). Given what was left to work with I think they did a good job, although a storyline and gameplay involving Kimahri, Wakka & Lulu would have been better than the one chosen with the random new character, Paine. In defense of both games though, VIII's plot and villain(s) weren't poorly done, not great, but not bad, and X-2's gameplay mechanics were good. Also, Yuna wasn't arrogant enough to continue dressing as a summoner/high summoner. That would have been out of character for her, and she and Rikku are certainly motivated enough to learn new jobs/skills, like Gunner. Yrl 18:50, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
I reckon X-2 was a victim of X's success, and as was mentioned above, it was more a vehicle in which to get Tidus back with Yuna. Yes it could have been tackled in different ways but to be honest, Tidus' ressurection was probably the fatal flaw. For it to have continuity of X's plot, Yuna had to change radically, SE just didn't pull it off right. VIII's battle system may have been one sided, but at least give room to experiment. For instance, XIII hasn't had a huge backlash against it's battle system, but it's completely different from many other FF's. Besides, VIII's storytelling was sound if a little cheesy at times, but it was by no means a low point. The final boss music single-handedly won me over. The lowest point of the FF franchise is a certain laughing scene in Luca. Mog&Boko 14:47, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I love FF8 <3, i think everything about it is awesome, Final Fantasy is 10X better then games like Zelda because it changes and its still awesome, Final Fantasy can't keep living off the legacy of a game like 7, and usually the people who hate 8 worship 7, 10, or 6, no need for fanboyism NeoExdeath 12:38, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

You said no need for fanboyism but your comment about FF being better than Zelda sounded kind of... fanboyish. Aarim 15:33, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Final Fantasy better than Zelda? Thats quite a claim, and I love both series equally. I grew up with both series, but one is not better than the other. Not in my book anyway. ((Unless we're counting FFXIII, which was just horrible. We've yet to have a bad Zelda game.)  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png03:12, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
FFXIII, horrible??? I don't get it. Ultimately this is all a matter of opinion, but I honestly can't believe anyone who generally likes Final Fantasy would think that XIII is horrible. I can understand taking issue with the paradigm system, automatic healing after battle, or the high degree of linearity for the first 8-10 chapters, but I mean every main series game has at least tweaked the battle system, with varying levels of success and the linearity issue is hit or miss, but I thought it was nice for the beginning of the game to keep the focus on the plot/storyline. At least in my opinion, every FF game ranks as far superior to an "average video game," except maybe V, which is about average, but certainly not bad or horrible. As for Zelda, while I would agree that most of the Zelda games I've played are great, I didn't think Zelda II: Adventure of Link was good, and I haven't played a lot of games that are supposedly in its main series because they never got a ported to a major console, just portables, which is a really bad sign. I think we've had a bad Zelda game, but not a bad FF game. Yrl 06:57, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not going to get into this discussion any further. I merely stated my opinion, and people like you who can't see that I, just like every one else on this Wiki, have my own opinions.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png23:25, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry if I came across as being in attack mode, but I repeatedly stated that my previous post was my opinion, and that the entire issue is a matter of opinion. So I recognize and respect your opinion. People are going to dislike things, but saying an FF game is horrible or you hate it on an FF Wiki just comes across as a little petty/trollish, and I apologize if I insulted you or even Zelda in general, like I said most of those games I've played I thought were great. Yrl 05:53, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not going to talk about LoZ (not the remnant of Sephiroth), since Ocarina of Time is the only one I've played. But so far, the only Final Fantasy games I've had serious issues with are II and XII; II because of it's stat growth system being a total pain in the ass, and XII because it was just too damned big for its own good. However, I'm a major fan of V, VI, VII, and VIII, and my very first was X. I also find XIII to be epic, but I fear that we're getting off topic. King Nothing Where's your crown? 14:39, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
  1. ff13 was better than ff12 at least. But i like all ff's :382.3.2.188 19:12, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Why is this fight stil "undecided"? -- Sorceror Nobody 09:57, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Week 149: Aeris v. Yuna[edit source]

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67 to 59
White. Mage. Female. Protagonists. WINNER!

Votes for Aeris[edit source]

  1. OMG I'm the first voter! Difficult one, but it has to be Aeris. Yuna never made as much impact on me as Aeris – although to be fair, VII was my first FF, and Yuna doesn't die. Also, Aeris never whored herself out (damn near literally) in a sub-standard sequel -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:22, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  2. SilverCrono 22:29, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I like them both, and this is hard for me. But Aeris died; Yuna didn't. Now, Aeris is more powerful then Yuna. So, using that logic, Aeris > Yuna. Simple as that. A.J. two (Smashboards)
  4. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:49, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Sorry Yuna, but as much as I like you and your real game (not that shit sequel) I have to vote for Aerith because she's my ideal girl.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:54, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Despite a certain level of contempt to to VII Distaste. I like the upbeat spunky(Not like Yuffie or Rikku) girls. Yuna's too demure, bland and even after her personality is still not as interesting and she forgot how to dress properly to boot. AnonyMan 23:21, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  7. My girlfriend LOVES Aeris and HATES YunaHolyHighwind
  8. I may've voted for Yuna, but they put that bloody Gunner picture of her, alluding to that nightmare of a sequel. My vote goes to the girl who got stabbed by a REALLY big sword. King of Noobs 00:37, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Better theme song. Moocowisi 00:58, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Rinoa Leonheart 02:45, May 18, 2010 (UTC) Aerith O YEAH
  11. Aerith all the way. She will always be a better healer than Yuna. And yeah, she DIED so that we could save the planet from Sephiroth. Definite winner for me. makoenergy99
  12. HATE, HATE ,HATE, and HATE Yuna in FF X-2!!!... User:Mid555
  13. ClixPsi 03:49, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  14. NeoZEROX 04:12, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Faethinte audio : She belongs here with us, though the Earth cries inside her.
  16. Aerith died, yet still lives, she was able to call upon both HOLY and the LIFESTREAM against a meteor that almost destroyed the planet, she was also able to heal GEOSTIGMA, i think Aerith is the ultimate White Mage, and a match such as this, i think she could outlast Yuna's summons and anything she can throw at her. User:OmnislashVII
  17. Mmh... though decision for me. They both have traits that are appealing to me, like Aerith being able to fight even after death, and Yuna having her Aeons, which are really great, so it's hard to decide, who to vote for. They even share the same theme of longing for someone beloved they lost! But since Yuna just kinda accepted Tidus disappearance and continued to live on, and Aerith actually wrote a total of 89 letters to Zack, believing he'd come back one day... Aerith.MirrorshardSceada 07:07, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Minns luvz youzz Aeris !!Bjarnster 07:44, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  19. I liked Yuna much better as a party member, but Aerith more as a character. King Nothing Where's your crown? 11:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  20. I liked Aeris more because of her character traits and Yuna was too...bland for me.User:Sephiroth gainsborough 08:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Because I think Aerith has a greater impact in the game than Yuna? --Phfvikkaa 13:08, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  22. FFX-2. Everything from X-2 deserves to die Tonberi Shadou 13:40, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  23. The Rood Inverse Though I like them both, storiwise and powerwise, I like Aerith the moste. The fact that she died and the fact of FFX-2 are the factors that sement my vote.
  24. Aerith by a mile. Yuna was too much of a "Mary-Sue" for me in FFX AND FFX-2. Not only that, but Aerith was stronger IMO. She was happy and upbeat but not too happy and perky. (For all those that didn't know who or what a Mary-Sue is, it's basically a character that is presented with no flaws at all and she's the talk of the whole game setting, or is at least very famous and that everyone likes her. They usually have two or more males fighting over her.) HayleeLOL 15:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Sorry. The Man In The Black Cape 15:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  26. the only reason that I'm voting for Aeris here is that Yuna's picture is from X-horrible-2 SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:31, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  27. I'm blatently voting for me (does that even count?) FinalFantasyAerith 16:28, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  28. What can I say, I got the hots for Aerith... I love You Aerith!! ♥♥♥ BboyMog 16:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Two letters X-2 ... Well a letter and a number. X-2 ruined Yuna's reputation ... And Yuna in booty shorts is sick and wrong in so many ways and on so many levels--KiraArik 16:44, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Sunpanda2012 18:58, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Gotta vote for Aeris. I simply like Aerith better than Yuna. I'm listening to Aerith's Theme right now. Have I said Aerith enough for you to realize that I'm randomizing her name? Aerith Aeris Aerith. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:41, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  32. JFHavoc 19:54, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  33. I'll simply compare their most impressive memorable moments. Most White Mages have saved a party a few times; Aeris saved a whole planet and did it (spoiler alert- and we all know which one, right?) while she was dead. Yuna's most impressive such moment was the Trigger Happy backflip in X-2, but despite this, Vincent is still the best Gunner in the series- Yuna fired two full mags for each Tiny Bee (one before and one during the backflip) and didn't hit Ormi OR Logos; had Vincent done that, Ormi's and Logos' heads would've resembled Swiss cheese. So, in case it's still unclear, Aeris wins that. (If it'd been spelled Aerith, however, I would likely have voted for Yuna.) The.DreadnoughT 20:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  34. She is a better character. A more believable personality, instead of the perfect Yuna. And notice that having a great foe ahead of you does not equal throwing your life away. Too bad she was the one that was killed. Discordius 04:28, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Regoli 17:01, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  36. User:Cloudgauntlet Aeris had so much more personality than Yuna. Yuna was just the typical softspoken, boring white mage type (I know she was a summoner), whereas Aeris was spunky, fiery and mischievous, and just seemed way more real. I agree that she was more believable over the oh-so-perfect Yuna, who everybody instantly loved. Plus later on Yuna's whole life revolved around one guy and she turned into a slutty lovelorn teenager when Aeris was a billion times more mature, and always knew that she would have to sacrifice herself even though she wanted to stay with Cloud and her other friends. Oh and Aeris/Cloud? Was implied, not made so obvious as Yuna and Tidus... not to mention, how could someone fall for someone as irritating as Tidus? Sure Yuna can summon but she ended up choosing NOT to sacrifice herself whereas Aeris was willing to if it meant that shecould help the world. Not to mention, VII is by FAAAAAR the superior game.
  37. Hey, I just so happened to be on TV Tropes a moment ago! "Name Aerith (Aeris for purists, not that it matters since she's being renamed) "Bullseye". When Sephiroth goes surprise-stab-flying-down on her, Cloud will look up, raise a fist to the air and scream "BULLSEYE!"" Yesz! YESZ! 尾藤 19:05, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Only one of the 2 I know. Nothing to do with that particular event. TARDISES 21:02, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Because of Zack. Zack! Mynameissora 02:10, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Although I hope this turns out to be a tie, Aeris and her game have made such a huge impact in my life that I have to go with the Cetra. Still love Yuna in FFX, though! NeoSeth 13:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Because she's pretty much my Final Fantasy. =P Kamikaze Pardee 23:56, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  42. I'm having trouble picking, so I'll just give it to the one with less votes.Neo Bahamut 23:53, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
  43. I've always like Aeris better. I used to hate Yuna a lot too, but after playing FFX, she grew on me. But here, I have to go with Aeris. I hated Yuna's voice acting, no offense to the voice actor. Mishaxshia 17:47, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
  44. I'd like to say this was an easy choice, but it wasn't. They're both excellent characters. Masamune
  45. Well, since Yuna can't fully restore the party's HP and MP, remove all negative status effects, and make them temporarily invincible -all in one move-, I'm gonna' have to go with Aerith on this one. Besides, she wasn't nearly as whiny as Yuna. GenjiMasamune
  46. I love both characters, but Aerith is just special to me - and not only 'cause I kinda look like her. ^___- <3 <-- Plus she got two awesome guys to like her! Hytey 17:04, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
  47. She's both prettier and stronger, after all what could yuna's guns do against great gospel? Badag 17:29, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
  48. X-2 trampled on almost everything I liked about Yuna, so I'm going with the dead one here. Besides, her theme is wonderful! Apathetic Piggy 20:54, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
  49. I love Aeris, and despise Yuna. As simple as that. SamSandy 21:53, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
  50. recinoWow a match I sugested about a year ago finaly got in. Lol. Anywho, AERIS(never "Aerith") and Yuna both have the potential in the games they came from to be super powerfull depending on the matiria/sphers they have. So this becomes a fight of who I liked better. - And since Aeris had a beautiful death a kick ass theam and she can hold her own in a fight V.s. Yuna who would die off insatly without her party/girl squad my vote goes to the magic girl of FFVII
  51. 8bit 00:35, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  52. OK, when a woman can dish out the invincible, the full heal, and Holy, do you really think you can stand in her way? Durai Judgement 19:32, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  53. I happen to like both of these heroines but I think I like Aerith more. She is sweet, funny and dosen't have a bad voice actor to bring her down. That and X-2 is an abomination to Final Fantasy.--StragusLore 09:01, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  54. Granted, she is from the most overrated videogame of all time, but hey, it's better than some useless character. Fanboy war, anyone? SSFF6B XiiFire.gif 23:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  55. Aerith doesn't whore her self out on a knock-off charlie angeals. that is enough for me.--Uzuki18 13:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  56. Because she is the most loveable character in the history of the world.--beano93 22.16, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  57. Mr. Rojo: I found both characters to be a little boring, but since FF VII was my first FF I will go for Aerith. 05:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
  58. Aerith can do more physical damage than Yuna (if they were same level) so if Yuna ran out of MP she'd be toast Baptiejames 14:04, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
  59. Aeris made me say daaaamn... That's why i'll go for her... Feltor 23:26, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
  60. Tough choice..but I have to go for Aerith..sorry Yuna...>.<--Koori-san 06:09, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
  61. RazielZero 13:12, May 28, 2010 (UTC) Even tough I like Yuna, Aerith still owns her. It was really sad seeing her die, but after that she still helped the others a lot of times.
  62. Void Captain 8:43, May 28, 2010 (UTC) Even though I will never love her as much as I loved Vivi, it was a huge blow to see her die. That and X-2 was an abomination against all things.
  63. Yuna's picture says my reason A.X.A 16:59, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
  64. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Aerith is definitely superior to Yuna. If she hadn't been killed during the game, she'd have become a serious problem for Sephiroth in his final battle with the party. 13:08, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 04:49, May 20, 2010 (UTC)I'm casting my vote for Aeris here because she only gained more power when she died and became one with the Lifestream, rallying it to assist Holy in countering Meteor and later curing those afflicted with Geostigma. (For that, I laugh in Sephiroth's pale, pointed face.)
  3. 17:04, May 21, 2010 (UTC)So yeah, Aerith is greatly more powerful then Yuna. She kicks butt. Sephiroth had to kill her as she could have ruined his plan. Defiantly Aerith.
  4. Aerith made a huge impact in such a short time during the game... and that screams louder than any controllable aeons and what not!! Remember guys, Aerith cured the geostigma and brought back Cloud from the brink of death (Advent Children). I mean, she's gone and is still kicking ass. Yuna can't even save Tidus' skinny ass! ♫♪♫♪♪ hahaha 07:10, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Ahh...this was a hard one, but since Crisis Core was my first FF, my vote goes to Aerith..but I really hope that this ends in a tie..-- 11:04, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Aerith is definitely superior to Yuna. If she hadn't been killed during the game, she'd have become a serious problem for Sephiroth in his final battle with the party. 13:08, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Yuna[edit source]

  1. Tough choice. I liked Yuna better though.Naruto195 22:34, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Likeacupcake 23:10, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Nothing against Aeris, but I'm just partial to summoners. Hyacynth 00:02, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Im not sure , though i do like Aerith i go with Yuna she had amazing character development before the sequel went on and ruined it ..AznPinoyFlip 00:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Well, after finally having beaten VII, one thing was clear; X was a far superior game. And as Aerith died fairly quickly in the game, making her useless when she would be useful, my vote goes to Yuna. Besides, due to the summons, Yuna was actually USEFUL. Darkeclipse21 01:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  6. AeriTH is boring, bland, and terribly kill-offable. Yuna seemed more real (excluding her X-2) iteration. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Both are incredibly dull, but only because of the garment grid, X-2's gameplay was awesome. :p Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 01:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Ghost of Christmas Past 01:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC):
    I know, I know I've let you down
    I've been a fool to myself
    I thought that I could live for no one else
    But now through all the hurt and pain
    It's time for me to respect
    The ones you love mean more than anything
    So, with sadness in my heart
    Feel the best thing that I could do
    Is end it all and leave forever
    What's done is done it feels so bad
    What once was happy now is sad
    I'll never love again
    My world is ending
    I wish that I could turn back time
    'Cause now the guilt is all mine
    Can't live without
    The trust from those you love
    I know we can't forget the past
    You can't forget love and pride
    Because of that, it's killing me inside
    It all returns to nothing
    It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down
    It all returns to nothing
    I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down
    It all returns to nothing
    It just keeps tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down
    It all returns to nothing
    I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down
    It all returns to nothing
    It just keeps tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down
    It all returns to nothing
    I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down
  9. Win--DarkTriforce 01:47, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  10. She's a summoner, and I love summoners. And she gave Spira the Eternal Calm. And she's alive. Gengle 01:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  11. The X-2 picture made me vote for her. Dat ass. LC 02:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Why? Because she has Heterochromia too! Nokareon
  13. Yuna all the way! Cluna 06
  14. Let's face it, Yuna summons the sweetest incarnation of Bahamut ever! In addition, if you really played FFX, she even "Shared Anima's Pain"... which is amazing. And X-2, well I think it's good that she had some appeal. And she can sing! The Pain Of Anima 04:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Both made epic contributions to thier original games and i like them both but yuna is in FFX and i prefer FFX over FFVII. theWOL 5:00, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Yuna is less of a "distressed damsel" than Aerith. ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 09:22, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Final Fantasy X was my first FF and it is also my favorite FF ever! So this vote goes to Yuna! She's so cute together with Tidus!--TerraBranford145322 10:17, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  18. tough choice, but going out with Yuna this time :P MMLN メーマウリアン 10:50, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  19. She's hot! :o and she didn't die. not dying is a plus. --Jamandsam 14:23, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Aeris was renamed for no reason, spends about the whole game freaking out and talking like a psycho, is a worthless fighter no matter how you put it and dies on the first disc. Yuna is the best mage in FFX and has has access to the most powerful Summons in the series Uppfinnarn 17:07, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Death claimed Aerith, but not Yuna. Yuna is clearly to awesome to die.KefkaPVI 17:09, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Yuna all the way. The reasons are too many to list. FinalAnnihilator 18:48, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Yuna: Ultima. Flare. Doublecast. Nirvana. Aerith? Princess stick guard. Materia. Poor health. Dead. Mog&Boko 19:52, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Ok...well I THOUGHT we were voting on who would win in a fight...but it seems it turned into a popularity contest...there is NO WAY Aeris (or Aerith...w/e) would beat just about anyone...her stats are just far too weak. And what's with all this animosity towards X-2? In terms of the battle system and gameplay, I liked it much, much better than X, the re-addition of the ATB gauge was a welcome sight, and thanks to it the flow of the game was much quicker. I despised the sphere grid system, and while I didn't find the dressphere thing to be great, it was still better than X's system. Eyestothesky 21:25, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Just trying to make it a tie. OwlEye 21:45, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Yuna. Not to say that I like her very much, but Aeris was cooler when she was dead. And I enjoy the optional Yuna-ditches-Tidus-and-becomes-a-lesbian in X-2. Girl power for the win. oglop_master 19:21, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  27. I prefer Final Fantasy X to VII, and Yuna just has more customizablility, while Aerith is weak at attacking.Legend of Fantasy 00:14, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  28. I love both of them and this was a tough one for me. FFX was my first Final Fantasy and Yuna was my second favorite character in it. Nostalgia wins. Aarim 02:33, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  29. In my opinion, Yuna has Aerith beat. I mean, not only can she heal, but she can summon Valefor, Ifrit, Ixion, Shiva, Magus Sisters, Yojimbo, Bahamut, and Anima!!!! Several of those Aeons can kill you in one hit and you can't deny that most of the Aeons looked freakin awesome!!! Aerith has nothing on her because she was weak to begin with and died by the end of the game. Plus, X-2 made her look incredibly sexy no matter what dressphere you put her in(and is adorable in the Moogle costume).Golbez91
  30. Because she develops as a character through FFX much more than Aeris ever did. Plus her Aeons are pretty epic. Terrible picture though, someone change it! Hamfruitcake 09 09:57, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  31. I've always been really annoyed with Yuna. She was always so...I don't know. It just irritated me that I had to have her in my party because I love having summon's available. I still prefer her over Aerith, though. Dan-Iota 11:30 (UTC)
  32. She never makes the main character emo, she doesn't die an overrated death. She may have been the main character of the worst sequel ever, but she's a much better character than Aeris. ZaFlareStar 19/5/2010, 17:35 (UTC)
  33. *cough* Summons *cough* --Azecreth 14:57, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  34. I enjoyed the scene in which Aeris died. When I watched it, I did not cry. Instead, I thought to myself: "Thank fuck! She's dead!" ...besides, Yuna was actually useful. YamiNoBahamut 20:02, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Aerith has an awkward voice in my opinion... and YUNA SUMMONS AND IS THE BEST SUMMONER. HAHA. User:XxLightningxXXIII
  36. Aerith vs. Yuna. Stick vs. Gun. Cure vs. Mega Flare. Team of misfits and wanna-be's vs. Team of well-trained guardians and mages. and last but not least, Dead vs. Alive. Doesnt look good on Aeriths side. Rakanadyo 04:50, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Admittedly i like both of the characters, but it comes down to the Aeons - the best summon system in an FF; how on earth did they manage to cock it up so badly with the system in XII afterwards?!? Brit Penance 22:29, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  38. FFX is an awesome game and i have yet to play FFVII so i guess my vote goes here:} Theron101 17:25, May 20, 2010
  39. This is really hard, but you know what? At the end of the day, I choose Aerith, but at the end of the game, Yuna is alive. PinkAye 17:45 May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Just because i'm voting for Yuna does NOT mean i like 10 more then 7, i just like yuna better, but some reason a lot of people are voting for Yuna because they hate 7, its should just between these 2 characters NeoExdeath 05:44, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Assuming it's Final Fantasy X Yuna and not X-2 Yuna, then definitely. In X, Yuna was invaluable for EVERYTHING. She did over 20k damage with Holy once she got her fully upgraded Nirvana. Heck, I made her solo Omega Weapon! And not the puny one, the PAL one with ten times as much hp. And last but not least, even if she was solely a Summoner, she'd obliterate every other Summoner out there. Even Rydia. I love you, PAL games. Intercision 15:52, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Yuna as she appeared in FFX and not FFX-2 was a very good female lead and presumably the real lead of the game considering Tidus was, well you know. Part of me wished Tidus never came back but whatever. Yuna would've been alongside Terra & Lightning as only female main characters in the series. Adelbert
  43. i love you so i'll go for her!! User:Neveryuna24
  44. I'm primarily voting for the FFX version of Yuna. I hate what she became in the second. Sry to those who I've offended, just my opinion. Zeypher 13:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
  45. I loved ffx and ffx-2 the summons were way cool! and she was awesome in dead fantasy :) Kamiii 19:47, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Destriker73 03:13, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
  47. I'll vote for a hot, overpowered summoner over the slum drunk any day. Xaphnir 22:03, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
  48. I'll go for Yuna!! ><--Rachox 12:47, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  49. Aeons were game breakers.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 17:06, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
  50. Yuna, but I still love Aeris/th whatever you call her. Dissidian
  51. Fully controllable aeons! Yrl 17:01, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Go Yunie.--Xabryn 12:12, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
  53. Yuna was alive for the whole game. What can I say? rchelifino
  54. I say Yuna because she's awesome! AuRor
  55. Summoners FTW!!!! User:theultimatemage
  56. ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 14:05, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I love them both but Yuna becuase she is great but so is aerith :( I feel bad voting becuase they are both my fav characters but I always used Yuna and not Aerith82.3.2.188 16:56, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I'm sorry Aeris, but Yuna just beats you. Having a voice definitely helps. Yuna's storyline and her deep changes and emotions really made the story of X what it was.# 21:45, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Summoners FTW!!!! 18:14, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  4. 02:36, May 26, 2010 (UTC)YUNA! Love her! Fantastic and deep character. I like Aerith too, but Yuna is amazing.
  5. Yuna is my favorite character in the whole series!-- 11:38, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Without a shadow of a doubt Yuna. The depth of Yuna's character is one of the primary reasons why Final Fantasy X is my favorite.
  7. FF7 holds a very promminnent spot in my heart since it was my first RPG, but I'm sorry, there really should be no contest who'd win here. Assuming they're fighting with the stats, rules, and limitations of their respective games, Yuna would wipe the floor with Aeris. True, both have great mage stats and can both (potentially) cast white and black magic. However, the ability to do 99,999 as opposed to 9,999 damage, vastly increase physical stats through extensive progression into the sphere grid, and the fact that her summons can actually be controlled as opposed to being just high-powered spells, give Yuna a serious edge here. 17:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
  8. YUNA RULES ALL-- 13:24, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I know this is old, but.. I just have to say this. I showed my mother the two pictures of Aeris(th) and Yuna; she said Yuna looked like a w***e, and Aeris(th) looked like a suicidal single mom. XD サイクス、 月の悪魔のダンス 15:23, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, Naruto195... I myself go overboard with the whole Aeris/th thing sometimes, but doing it here is just incredibly petty. If you want to nitpick over the retcon in a fight, might I suggest doing it here instead of the DNC? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's not a retcon. Why do people say that? A retcon is a change in a plotline that reinterprets past information. Aeris is an improper translation. Fixing translation errors=/=retcons.Neo Bahamut 05:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Although by the strict definition of a retcon you're correct, stop being so pedantic. Sheesh -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 07:56, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
I laugh every time I see people argue about Aeris' name. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:43, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
I find it odd as well. There's really nothing to make a stink about. The "original" name was not the intention of the source material. Therefore, it can hardly be said to have been "changed." I don't view this as a technicality or being pedantic--these terms are just plain being used wrong. That being said, vote criticisms! [b]Aerith supporters:[/b] You really shouldn't go on about Aerith saving the entire world from beyond the grave, then turn around & call Yuna a Mary Sue. It just makes no sense. [b]Yuna supporters:[/] Aerith easily has the best magic stat in Final Fantasy. She CAN use black magic & summonings, so I don't see why you're not counting them for her. And easily her greatest combat advantage is her Limit Breaks, one of which can heal/revive the party fully AND make them invincible. You can also raise her attack, just like Yuna's. She is not a "weak fighter" by any stretch of the imagination.Neo Bahamut 21:47, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
I don't really want to inflame this debate, but I can't resist the urge to point out that Aeris's birth and naming are, in an odd sort of way, part of the storyline (think Gast's recordings at Icicle Inn). One could argue that her name itself therefore counts as a part of the storyline, sort of, and thus it qualifies to be called a retcon. In all seriousness, though, this comment is really just me mocking anyone who takes the whole thing too seriously (including myself sometimes) -- Sorceror Nobody 10:20, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
I'll respond anyway: Even taking all of that logic into account, Aerith's name was always meant to be Aerith. It wasn't changed within the confines of the story, it was changed due to outside circumstances, namely, a translation error. Ergo, it isn't a true retcon. And you're talking to a guy with a pretty liberal idea of what makes a retcon. On another note, I'm thinking of going with Aerith just because the Yuna votes are so stupid that I don't want to be associated with them. "Hey, look at all this shit Yuna can do! Black Magic, Summons...Aerith can't do any of that!" Oh wait....Neo Bahamut 00:06, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
Neo Bahamut, The point of the Yuna voters mentioning black magic and summons is that Yuna is more effective/versatile in those roles by the end of X than Aerith is when she dies (possibly excluding long time grinders). I understand the gameplay convention (characters get stronger as the game progresses), but if you're just comparing the 2 characters overall, Yuna is 17 at the end of X, while Aerith is 22. At 17, Yuna has fully controllable aeons, flare, doublecast, etc. Imagine how much more powerful she'll be at 22 (even counting the fact that she had to destroy her friends the aeons at the end of X). Definitely much stronger than Aerith as a mage by then. As for stupid votes, both sides have much dumber votes including I hate (Yuna/Aerith, VII/X/X-2) and (Yuna/Aerith) is hot (without any additional explanation or reasons). But the Aerith voters are worse. For example, Yuna is perfect is a reason for voting against Yuna, "Aerith can do more damage than Yuna (if they're the same level)," and "Yuna just accepted Tidus disappearance; Aerith didn't just accept Zack's." Characters don't level in X, they have the sphere grid to increase stats, learn abilities, etc. The only reasonable comparison is the end of the game, or when Yuna is 22, which we don't know about, but it's reasonable to assume that she wouldn't get weaker. Yuna should therefore be stronger either way. Disliking someone for being perfect/popular/likable is just as bad as disliking someone for not being popular. As for Yuna just accepting Tidus' disappearance, there's this game called Final Fantasy X-2, where she saves the world while on a quest to get him back (and may or may not actually succeed). Writing letters is really, really weak dedication compared to that. Even worse, someone voted for Aerith because that character had fewer votes (and that character now has more votes). I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you seem like a logical person, and I just think you might want to consider switching sides on this one. Yrl 17:26, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Whoa. Who ordered the essay? Although Yrl has a point, I think this is a definite example of taking the whole thing too seriously :S -- Sorceror Nobody 12:56, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
Haha, sorry, kinda got carried away, but this is a perfect example of why the Peanut Gallery is nice to have. Certainly wouldn't want me leaving a vote like that. Although come to think of it, I probably could have expanded my intro and worked out a nice organized three pronged response. Maybe next time. XD By the way, I like your sig. Why does everything look cooler in Japanese? Yrl 21:37, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
It's not Japanese, it's the Cocoon alphabet -- Sorceror Nobody 19:24, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
Well that's even more awesome! And I'm still getting used to Al Bhed's simple substitution cipher. How'd you manage to type that anyway? Yrl 19:51, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
'Tis an image. I pixel-drew it in MS Paint :P -- SN Cocoon Sig.gif
I thought maybe. It looks cool. Good work. Yrl 23:49, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, isn't Naruto's vote disqualified? He missed out the # to number it... <evil smirk> -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:57, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
Good point. He didn't number it. And the rules do state...  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png23:04, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
</evil smirk> Don't forget to close your tags =P And never fear; #ing person is here... ok that sounded lamer than I anticipated. Anyway, added it in when I put my vote up. And I've noticed a rapid decline in those that follow the rules of the DNC. And as to the Aerith/Aeris thing; get over it. They misspelt it in the original, just like Kary(Kali/Maralith). I think Kary is awesome, but I don't go hulk rage because someone calls her Maralith. Likeacupcake 00:29, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Counterpoint: They did it again with Maliris in IX. The folks in the translation dept. really need to try harder, huh? -- SN
I blame it on lack of chocolate in the translation department Likeacupcake 15:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Aha! A stroke of brilliance! That's another mystery of the universe finally explained! Therefore, to prevent further translation errors (and typos) in their games – such as the subtitles in XIII saying "willl" at one point XD – Square Enix should immediately increase the chocolate allowance for all departments! -- Sorceror Nobody 15:54, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Exactually! And you have too many sigs... Likeacupcake 15:58, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
How is two too many? Anyway, it doesn't really matter how many I have as long as they are in userspace and not cluttering the mainspace, right? -- Sorceror Nobody 17:17, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
巧克力!是的,他们绝对需要有更多的办事处。但他们的聘用过的员工将他们给他们应得的巧克力?大概没有。 。 。 。AJtwosig.gif16:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
You're mean... I can only speak a little Japanese, no way can I read it! =P Likeacupcake 16:08, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
I used Goggle Translate to do that. I don't actually speak it. AJtwosig.gif
"Chocolate! Yes, they definitely need more offices. But their employes and they deserve them to chocolate? Probably not..." Yeah, retranslation never gives perfect sense back, does it? :P -- SN
The original thing that I wrote was "Chocolate! Yes, they definately need more of that in their offices. But will they give their employes the Chocolate they deserve? Probably not." Does that help clarify what I said? A.J. two (Smashboards) 18:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Why, yes it does! -- Sorceror Nobody 19:03, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oh My God! My fight made it in! Thanks TA! Now, who to vote for. This is gonna take some thinking.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:50, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

If you're goin' with the whole White Mage Female Protagonist thing, you should've put up Yuna's X picture, not her X-2, which is clearly a gunner. King of Noobs 00:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

BH, can you please stop posting song lyrics? It clogs up my page, and makes it lag even more than before. SilverCrono 01:46, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, the lyrics thing is dead BH. After we got banned for a week, it should have ended.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png02:14, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I could've sworn that this fight had happened already somewhere back in the archives... hmm... Nokareon

Well, we are getting through all the good matches, that's why they're this flood of XIII related battles on the nom page. So I suppose people may be willing to overlook some of the older matches, as we have fresh blood and new opinions, thus the outcome may change. Likeacupcake 03:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think BlueHighwind is fond of the right handside. I've got nothing else to say on the matter, having not played FFVII... KujaRhapsodos 15:18, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

You should; it's over hyped like hell, but still it was a solid game, and still is. Likeacupcake 15:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Who spelt my name wroooong?? >.< FinalFantasyAerith 16:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Good point. XD I'd fix it, but I'm not sure if I should.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
It really doesn't matter that much, except for those people petty enough to change their vote based on the name (I'm looking at you, Naruto195). If anyone cares enough to want justifications, however, I will point out that TA put it as Aeris (I even double-checked the History to make sure), so it should be left as Aeris. TA is, after all, the one in charge -- Sorceror Nobody 18:03, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough... hmmmmmmm I'll just have to sit here and pretend it's been spelt right like my real name which is constantly spelt wrong too :L FinalFantasyAerith 19:33, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Just curious, but why do loads of people overlook the fact that Aerith used Cloud as a replacement for Zack and Shuyin used Yuna as a replacement for Lenne? at least Yuna fought back against Shuyin and didn't start stealing other people's (namely Tifa's) love interests.Mog&Boko 19:56, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I actually forgot about Aerith and Zack (Never played X-2 though). Don't judge me. AJtwosig.gif 20:04, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Loll. Yeah, she saw the Zack-ness in Cloud. You make it sound like she's so sinister. If Tifa really is his love interest that wouldn't have been a problem for him to square it out. AnonyMan 22:00, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Well, because neither of those are true. Shuyin only mistaked Yuna for Lenne. After realizing they were different people, he went all, GTFO I'm gonna blow up Spira. As for Aerith, literally the only place in the entire Compilation where she ever says she saw Zack in Cloud, she turns around & notes she liked things about him that Zack didn't have. This was missed by many people who aggressively latched onto one of the details, claiming that it's been "proven" that Aerith did/not love Cloud, a trend that continues with every new commentary on the love triangle. Apparently, the phrase "up to your own interpretation" is some kind of completely alien concept that has no business in the minds of fans. Of course, since it's up for interpretation, you're technically not incorrect, but that doesn't really coincide with Aerith's personality, either.Neo Bahamut 00:37, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
...Mkay, that came across quite aggressive but hey, I never like Aerith, never had her in my party (even though she still managed to date Cloud.) Crisis Core suggested heavily that she loved Cloud because he reminded her of Zack. Checking the timelines, Cloud believed him and Zack to be roughly one person more or less. He only snapped out of this after Aerith died during the events in Mideel when he finally broke free of his mental trauma. Soooo, assuming him to be unstable for the duration of Aerith's life he had no control over this and to some extent, she took advantage, whether this was intentional or not is debatable, still she wasn't exactly all sugar and rainbows. And let's face it Yuna was a lot more 'good' in that she saved Spira twice, Aerith barely managed to prevent meteor, let alone top Sephiroth.Mog&Boko 15:24, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
You know, come to think of it, the Lifestream gathering where it did may just have been lucky coincidence; the Planet sensed it's "life" in danger, and was going to spawn Omega. Fortunately for the people living on that planet (and unfortunately for Omega) it happened to be spawning in the exact place where Meteor would've hit, and the Lifestream's gathering there prevented Meteor's impact, thus eliminating the threat to the Planet and stopping the process of Omega's spawning (which saved the Planet's inhabitants from a fatal relocation of the Lifestream.) The.DreadnoughT 01:27, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hey! Someone changed it from Aeris to Aerith! XD  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png00:32, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of petty to refuse to let an incorrect name be changed because of "authority"?Neo Bahamut 16:50, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, so we should reject authority? Seriously, I did it mainly in an attempt to stop back-and-forth changes. Furthermore, despite my preference, if TA had put it up as Aerith, I would have argued against anyone changing it to Aeris. But what does it matter? Anyone who objects to my reasoning can either reject TA's decision, or bother TA with something so trivial as asking whether it should be changed. Just remember that anyone who does so becomes more petty than they think I am -- Sorceror Nobody 19:10, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
I honestly couldn't care less if its Aeris or Aerith. I just pointed out that someone had changed it.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png20:59, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

What the!? another close one... This one better not be another tie hahah BboyMog 02:11, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the DNC like I used to, you start to notice right off the bat when a landslide will occur. I knew this was gonna be close when I suggested it.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png09:48, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
hmmm looks like yuna is about to widen the gap... OH NO!!!! AERITH!!! Nice suggestion by the way!! :D BboyMog 00:21, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
Yuna's actually ahead right now. And thank you. This was my most supported suggestion so far. 22 people in favor.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png02:42, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

This ought to be good.SaneKefka 23:55, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I never thought i'd see the day when the fanboys aren't enough... sure I voted for the FF7 character myself, but that's because she's the only one of the 2 in this I know. A certain FMV *glaring at fanboy magnet WHO HASN'T DONE ANYTHING ORIGINAL* has nothing with the reason for my vote. but seriously, counting anonymous votes, BOTH WERE ON 55 at the time of this comment! TARDISES 07:06, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Unofficial notice - to me, unsigned votes and votes in the wrong sections are now called "idiot votes." There are notices IN HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS LIKE THIS reminding people to sign their votes, not to vote above or below certain lines of coding, etc, but some still do it. So really, if you can't be bothered to pay attention...yeah, I am going to make certain judgements about your intelligence. Maybe if we make the rules flash in and out, I do believe there is coding for that. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:49, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

That might work, but I doubt anybody would look at it even if it was blinking. We should also note that signing is done with four tildes. Now many people know that. EDIT: I just realized it was in the rules (hypocrisy, thy name is Moocowisi). We should still make a point of asserting it, though. --Moocowisi 05:01, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
Why don't we just host the Idiot Awards weekly? Maybe then people will get the point. A lesson in humility is always good. I, for one, am sick of seeing this kind of unnecessary crap.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png03:44, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
I like the idea of that xD They could be like the darwin awards but we could call them something else xD FinalFantasyAerith 10:44, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Devol awards? (devol is part of 'devolution, which is the opposite of evolution, which Darwin proved.) TARDISES 20:20, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Hopefully I don't get another card for this, but yes, that sounds like a good idea. The Darwin Awards are what came to mind when I typed this FFA.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png22:13, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed my vote since I made a mistake. Not to mention my reason was kinda dumb. Naruto195 06:09, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

0.o you people argue way too much over nothing, and there is no need to make fun of someone over a simple mistake, because if he is an idiot for doing it then you are all idiots for any simple mistake you have ever made NeoExdeath 21:16, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thumbs up, Exdeath. But no one'll change anything because you said it. -_- ... It's always like that. KujaRhapsodos 22:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
No, see, a simple mistake one time is excusable. Voting without signing or voting multiple times, four or five times, not taking the hint each time despite all the clearly displayed rules and notices, is stupidity. If you tried to pull open a push door five times in a week, if the word PUSH is painted on the doors in large red letters and you still tried to pull them open, then yes, you are officially on the lower end of the evolutionary scale. Mean? Yes. Truthful? Yes, which is why it hurts. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:44, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

65.5 for Aerith and 63 for Yuna. Looks like we've got another tie on our hands. Ah well, I like good, close fights. King of Noobs 05:17, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, but I prefer to see a close winner, rather than a darw. Likeacupcake 05:25, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
There's something funny going on in the DNC, particularly a lot of new registers and one or two-time voters. In any case, three of the users voting for Yuna don't exist at the very least. There's some funny business in the anonymous section too. Yes, this is the same thing that happened last week.T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
I'll keep a closer eye on things this week, see if I can stop what's going on. Likeacupcake 15:51, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Week 148: Squall v. Lightning[edit source]

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67 1/2 to 66 1/2
Because they have essentially the same hair... WINNER!
67 1/2 to 66 1/2

Votes for Mr. Hair[edit source]

  1. "Whatever..." Nothing more to say. Hazetar 11:11, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Because he is much like me/I'm much like him. Although he clearly doesn't love maths. He's missing something. KujaRhapsodos 22:07, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Squall will always get my vote for his Whatever atitude. Bjarnster 22:12, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I have nothing against Lightning, but Squall will always be my favorite Soren 4ever 22:15, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  5. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:28, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  6. He has a more tolerable personality. More stylish(Fur-collar jacket/SeeD Uniform/overall reasonable attire>Mini-skirt) And it takes a big badass to excel in using a weapon that can't function like part of it's namesake would have you think. Heart of da' Lion, baby! AnonyMan
  7. Lightning is pretty cool I guess, better than Squall. --Gamer2127 00:06, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Because his gunsword is the original. Mynameissora 01:15, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Because he has a scar, and the Lionheart, what can go wrong? PinkAye 21:48, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Because Disidia has done nothing but add to his coolness. And a hero who prefers to fight alone because he WANTS to gets points in my book. Sorry Lightning... King of Noobs 02:05, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  11. First, 'cause although most of Squall's outfit sucks, that's a cool jacket (all of Lightning's outfit sucks.) Second, because Squall's Gunblade looks more like a gunblade and less like an oversized switchblade. But most of all, simply because I hate Lightning (the character only.) Finally, go talk to a wall. The.DreadnoughT 02:29, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Hair. LC 02:39, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I hate both final fantasy XIII and Lightning, furthermore at least Squall is interesting. Badag 12:27, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Tonberi Shadou 13:36, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Because if I could bed a hot cosplay Squall I would xD And I found Lightning to be a man in a skirt :L FinalFantasyAerith 16:26, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Definitely Squall.Sephiroth gainsborough
  17. Squall for sure.Angellus Mortis
  18. Are you serious? Squall wins; hands down, and I'm not even a fan of him. Eyestothesky 18:30, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Lightning is awesome, but I'm gay for Squall. <3 SamSandy 20:42, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Well, I'm not gay for squall. maybe more on the bi side :p <3 User:Leonhart178
  21. This has been the toughest vote for m, but Squall is BADA$$Acboyz2
  22. The guy that started it... Netherith
  23. i like them both more than cloud, haha, il go with squall MrAllStar2
  24. Tough decision. But Squall wins for me. --Silver Mage Ω 05:11, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  25. I've yet to play FF13 and I've had FF8 since I was a kid so I vote for Squall. --Sencilia 10:32, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  26. I still don't get the hair thing, but I vote Squall. CheeseNinja 14:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  27. I'm a die-hard Squall fan. Lightning? Pfft.Liang 19:12, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Haven't played FFXIII, so I'm just going to go with Squall. KefkaPVI 20:53, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Have to go with Squall. He's a lot deeper character than he usually gets credit for, while Lightning just sort of seems like the generic cold soldier-type. Plus, Squall has the original gunblade. Not the gun/sword mesh that they're calling a gunblade now Lord Knight Xiron 22:24, May 7, 2010 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  30. Squall gets a lot of flak that, as far as I can tell, is undeserved. Therefore, not really having a stake in this fight, & having only ever seen the awesome in Squall, I'm gonna give him the BOTD. I haven't played VIII or XIII, but whatever.Neo Bahamut 02:58, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Squall. Absolutely.Kimahri Ronso 03:03, May 8, 2010(UTC)
  32. I registered... just to vote here... because I cannot let this injustice stand! Lightning isn't even in the same /league/ as Squall. As Squall himself would say, "..." YugeRec 18:21, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Clearly Squall. FinalAnnihilator 20:45, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Lightning may be a badass, but Squall is even more of a badass. Tough call, but since FFVIII is one of my favorites, I'll go with Squall TheRedNinja 21:08, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  35. SQUALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!USER:MyFinalLionheart 21:57, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  36. people are only voting for lighting because she's new, in a few years we'll see who leaves a lasting impression NeoExdeath 03:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  37. 1st of all... Whatever. And secondly, XIII hasn't been around long enough to make a fair vote of what has a lasting impression... But my vote goes to Squall just cause he is a cooler person beneath that hair... The Pain Of Anima 05:43, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  38. I like Lightning too but it's gotta be Squall for me. My favourite character of the series. Hereticdante May 9 9:08, 2010 (GMT+10)
  39. I like both characters, but I love Revolver's design more than Blazefire Saber. Because Revolver pwns all. Plus, it seems like Squallo's losing the battle...whatever. Phfvikkaa 14:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Mr. Rojo: As long as I like a lot Lightning and she is one of the most awesome female characters, no one gets higher in my book than Squall <3. 19:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  41. I like Squall because he is cool, calm and touch (plus he can be pretty much invincible by Disc 3). While Lightning did seem kinda awesome, as soon as i saw XIII, she was nothing like i imagined. She is just Cloud crossdressing as Terra (who is better, in my opinion) and swinging around a Gunblade. She's not even cool, she more of a emo jerk than Squall ever was. Rakanadyo 02:43, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  42. A friend of Zidane's is a friend of mine. Besides, Squall > "female Cloud" any day, any time. Show the new lead character how to REALLY use a Gunblade. =p Adelbert
  43. I'll confess that I have finished XIII yet but I've seen enough to know that I like Squall's character better. I know that he comes off as brooding and sullen but there really is quite a striking amount of depth and believability to his character(considering what he's been through) and while a very interesting character I've yet to see that type of depth out of Lightening although she is a good character.--Doorofnight 17:45, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  44. VIII was the first FF I played, gotta give credit to the soul-searching, sorceress-loving man. Gengle 18:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Squall is just the best FF character ever.. All I gotta say! EBONYxIVORY 5:11, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Squall because they based Lightning on Cloud, which is one of my lest favorite FF heros Corrderio
  47. I like him more. - Ash Crimson - 06:43, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
  48. I have yet to play XIII, and although Lightning is hotter, for now ill have to go with Squall, the man has the guts to go against time itself. OmnislashVII
  49. Squall can solo superbosses. Can Lightning do that? Maybe she can, but I have yet to see proof. Intercision 19:54, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
  50. Lightning is just a clone of Cloud so I vote for SquallTetra Flare 05:55, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
  51. Squall is better than Lightning to me~ Not to say that Lightning isn't good but I prefer Squall--TerraBranford145322 12:24, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Definitely Squall if only for the fact that new FF is starting to suck balls, although having to time R1 just right was a bit of an agg StijnX 12:27, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
  53. I don't love Squall. I just can't stand Lightning. User:Mantlecore77
  54. I'd have to give the vote to Squall. Although I like both characters, I think Squall is better. Flowenote May 14, 2010
  55. In this case I like both the game and the character better... so it's a pretty easy decision for me. User:Crims0nf0rtune
  56. Because he's not in XIII. TomServo101 (Talk) 20:00, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  57. id have to give it to squall I miss the old ff games 05:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  58. I don't need 3.5 Years to playing Squall ^_^ Mid555
  59. FFVIII was the first Final Fantasy that I played, and I have always liked Squall. Sorry Light, I love you too... Deadlynightsage 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  60. Just how can I vote for someone else? SquallisbetterthanCloud 17:57, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 04:28, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I don't like Squall that much, I just choose him because I hate Lightning. 15:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I think that Squall's hair slightly suits his personality better, but only because he actually has one # 22:57, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  4. 19:23, May 6, 2010 (UTC) Because he's one of the few FF characters to whine he DOESN'T want friends, rather than the other way around
  5. 18:19, May 8, 2010 (UTC)Has anyone played Dissidia? Squall just dominates everyone in this game!
  6. 00:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)Squall is so much better than her!
  7. 02:13, May 9, 2010 (UTC) Squall is just a badass! He's the leader of his Garden. What is Lightning? Just a grunt soldier...
  8. Squall 18:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Squall is my favorite 19:57, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Squall all the way173.166.14.166 17:35, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
  11. While Lightning was a strong character, Squall still stood out to me as the most realistic, emotionally-wise. He didn't remain static throughout the game, nor did he go as 'emo' as everyone likes to say. He changed as most people in that situation would change, and reacted as a child the way most people in that situation would react. Try having the most important person to you in your life be ripped away. Then see how you feel. 01:46, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
  12. I just like Squall better.-- 12:17, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Squall was the first one the wield a gunblade...and, he's awesome in Dissidia-- 00:43, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  14. 09:01, May 16, 2010 (UTC) Squall is just awesome in every way. No carbon copy of Squall and Cloud is going to beat the original
  15. Squall hands down, He's the only main character that doesn't whine and handles business like a man (getting it done without showing emotions while pushing people away). 19:22, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Ms. Hair[edit source]

  1. Because while I don't hate Squall and actually kinda like him, Lightning helps fill in the undeniable, unignorable void in the series where the much-needed female heroes should go. Plus, her Gunblade > Squall's, and she's badass enough to steal Kain's cape. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Leon's a bitch and Lightning's hot. Nough Said. OwlEye
  3. Her Gunblade is WAY better then Squall's. NeoZEROX 22:43, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  4. First. Strong. Female. Hero. Ever! Cluna 06 22:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  5. C'mon! She's hot! And if that's not reason enough....Squall was a pussy. Not saying I don't like Squall...I Just prefer Lightning. .::\\NinjaSolution//::. 23:20, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Ghost of Christmas Past 00:16, May 6, 2010 (UTC): Since this was so popular last time:
    Canta per me ne addio
    Quel dolce suono
    De' passati giorni
    Mi sempre rammenta
    La vita dell'amore
    Dilette del cor mio
    O felice, tu anima mia
    Canta addagio...
    Tempra la cetra e canta
    Il inno di morte
    A noi si schiude il ciel
    Volano al raggio
    La vita dell'amore
    Dilette del cor mio
    O felice, tu anima mia
    Canta addio...
  7. Haven't played XIII yet, and still she's awesome!Likeacupcake 01:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Lets face it.Female Cloud.I need say no more.HolyHighwind 01:22, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Because unlike Squall, Lightning is actually badass. Xaphnir 02:45, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  10. "Nice gun." Hyacynth 03:54, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  11. PLEASE WIN!!!!!!!!!she's the coolest!Kayreeed 04:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  12. I think her hair is nicer. The random pink helps compensate for her GAR personality. Plus, Squall's looks oily. Lightning's look wavier and more natural...ignoring the color. ClixPsi 04:15, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I did play FFXIII only for a while so I can't judge her full character, but Squall is one of mine most disliked protagonists in FF universe, so she clearly wins over him in this one... MMLN メーマウリアン 07:09, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  14. I prefer Lightning over Squall. Squall's personality really ticks me off, and though Lightning's personality wasn't so perfect either, my vote goes for Lightning. Destriker73 07:57, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Lighting's way cooler than Squall! ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 09:34, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Same hair? Lightning clearly has better hair. (also, like the character more, that sorta thing)--Otherarrow 11:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Having played both games (and having yet to finish both *cough*), I've come to the conclusion, that Lightnings the better character for me. While Squall seemed way too cold in my eyes, Light's cold attitude just seems right to me. Furthermore, I consider her to be stronger, and so... My vote goes to Lightning MirrorshardSceada 12:12, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  18. -Henryacores^ 12:24, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Because I finished XIII and love it. Lightning is a very cold character. but she's a girl, so it's alright. A.J. two (Smashboards) 14:50, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  20. She could kick Squall's ass any day. Not to mention, her gunblade shoots actual bullets instead of causing wrist cramp. Jamiemitsu FTW 19:33, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Squall was enough of an idiot to carry Rinoa across the world map for half of the game. Lightning is a pretty hardcore dyke who actually knows how to fight, instead of just using GFs. Plus, FFVIII was stupid. oglop_master 16:16, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Munk451 I hate to abandon my alter-ego, but Lightning is really nice! When in doubt, pick the chick!
  23. I'm obsessed with XIII and she looks awesome. FFVIIACCXD
  24. It is an insult to Lightning to say she is modeled after Cloud. She is her own person and the interactions of the XIII cast as a whole far surpasses that of any other game. And yeah, nice gun. 8bit 02:03, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  25. She have punched/slapped/bitched at every person so far. Another vote for Lightning. OavatosDK◕‿◕ 02:41, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  26. For the record, Lightning is NOT a nigger. That honor belongs to Sazh, followed shortly by Fang. But she easily takes third, and she still has more than twice the character of Squall. Nokareon
  27. Since the whole FFXIII cast are aswesome (except for Snow)and the whole FFVIII cast are annoying dull and lack any real personality, my vote goes for Lightning.Raven3005 08:30, May 7, 2010 (GMT)
  28. My vote goes for Light-san of course ~ HEH. Regoli11:41, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Because she's Lighting :> DragoonNobodies 11:51, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  30. I'm not really a fan of Squall's personality; he seems too cold to me. Lightning's personality and character is more real than his. Her gunblade is so much cooler, too. Plus, she's like a female Cloud in every way. So, my vote goes to the pink-haired, female Cloud! <3 Hytey 12:45, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Lightning kicks ass! She's a strong female protagonist, She is super hot, and Her gunblade is badass! Sorry Squell you'll always be my guy in dissidia, but I got to go with Light.--Uzuki18 14:32, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  32. While Squall is my main in Dissidia, Lightning is hot and badass. She also has the better gunblade. Besides, she's one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters. Isredel 9:08, May 7, 2010 (MDT)
  33. A strong, assertive female lead who doesn't depend on royal status or a flock of guardians when the need for opening a can of whoopass arises.
  34. Rinoa Leonheart 16:00, May 7, 2010 (UTC) Light will we no problem "Just say it! Any l'Cie... Anyone who might ever become a l'Cie should be wiped off the face of Cocoon." O YEAH
  35. I love Squall, but if we are voting for hair, I am going to say Lightning! She looks so sexy in this game! :) Lightning rocks this hair style any day. Squall is still my favorite character even if their personality is similar. Zeypher 16:47, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  36. She's not your sister! Mog&Boko 20:49, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Since i dont have VIII while i do have XIII my vote goes automatically to Light. Shes rather frumpy in the beginning but after time passes she becomes on of the best FF heroes ever! Better then the caved up Squall or Cloud the psycho by far D.Dark. 00:45, May 8, 2010 (UTC).
  38. Because her gunblade is way more badass =3 XxRikku-chanxX 01:26, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  39. owns squall in everyway,weapon,looks,behaviour and hair tooTheWOL 01:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Like most the main cast in XIII, I found her likeable.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 08:52, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Words can't express feelings. A.X.A 16:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  42. She is a badass Aarim 16:52, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  43. lightning is epic. also, does she actually wear anything below the waist? User:The abandoned one 08:47 (GMT)
  44. You got my vote, Light! Final - Cannon Talk 09:43, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Because she acts instead of only thinking about what could be done...dentris 15:13, May 9, 2010
  46. Does Squall take up the responsibilities of a parent to a character in a time of need? Nope. Does he ever punch the annoying party character when they really deserve it? Nope. Does he RIDE ODIN HIMSELF AND DUAL-WIELD HIS SWORD WITH ODIN'S? Didn't think so. To be fair, he does have a cooler sword... BlaqheartGIG 00:39, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  47. I like lighning more, she is a more interesting character Link4039 04:11, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  48. Is this fight a joke, the best protagonist from the best game ever (FFXIII) VS the worst protagonist from the worst game ever (FFVIII). Lightning has a much better story, a MUCH cooler sword, an awesome Eidolon that is much better then all FFVIII GF's combined, she is much stronger gameplay AND story wise, she is a lot cooler, more interesting as well and much more. Lightning is better then squall in every way. Try and put squall against any FF main protagonist and he WILL get totally OWNED. KaiserPaladin 04:29, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  49. Light,Lightning,she's introverted, brooding, cold character.She always get necessary things done,goes crazzy if sb ask her for orders and advice,PUNCH IN THE FACE xD! She is fast to say what is on her mind , not Like Squall, who keep things by himself. So Love Light and her Hair!!Slencia 13:36, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  50. Although I like Squall, I'm afraid the vote has to go to the girl. The Man In The Black Cape 20:52, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  51. Lightning is badass, She plus Beatrix, and Celes and will forever be on my list of badass women of FF AznPinoyFlip 00:28, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Lightning is the best ever. tsk.User:XxLightningxXXIII 20:40, May 10,2010 (UTC)
  53. Squall is a little emo kid. He almost as bad as Cloud... and we all know that is bad. on the other hand Lightning is the female bad ass i have been looking for n the series.--KiraArik 16:42, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  54. Lightning all the way... I never found Squall to be an awesome protagonist! But on the other hand, Lightning is not only a smexy female lead but she is also one bombshell that you can't mess with!!! Marry Me Light!!!! BboyMog 02:01, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  55. Slap dat biotch! 尾藤 21:45, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
  56. Yay Lighting my fav ff 13 char don't need to say more.--ZACH 06:16, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
  57. Not that I don't like Squall (I do), but it has to be Lightning. First, Light's Gunblade actually fires bullets, so she can range Squall to death. Second, Squall can only use his magic stocks, whereas Light has no upper limit on magic use. Third, I doubt that Squall can do much to counter a sequence of Army of One -> Stagger -> Launch. Fourth, Light > Squall generally. Fifth, FFXIII > FFVIII. Sixth, Light gets bonus points for being sexy. Are six reasons enough, do you think? :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
  58. She's hot! :o --Jamandsam 14:33, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  59. This is an easy choice. Lightning is cooler, sexier, non-emo, badass and her gunblade can actually shoot! How can you pick squall? Acrum92 19:58, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  60. She considers Snow to be a twat, just like me :D YamiNoBahamut 22:55, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  61. "Emo Git" says it all xD Uppfinnarn 08:56, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  62. FF8 sucks so 13 gets it Naruto195 22:34, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I really like Lightning. She's awesome! 04:45, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  2. "It's not a question of can or can't. There are some things in life you just do." 02:31, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Well if we're voting on hair, definitely Lightning. Also, while I like Squall and FFVIII, Lightning has the better Gunblades, has a more realistic personality (although they both start out their games a bit cold), is attractive (albeit less so than Fang or Vanille), and isn't horribly scarred by one of the characters/enemies in her game demonstrating a lack of combat skill (Almost dying the instant the game starts isn't a good way to impress people). And while Lightning isn't in Dissidia, Squall is terrible to use compared to just about any other character, besides, interestingly enough, Ultimecia. 17:47, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Come on it's Light! Who else could mentor a wimpy kid like Hope into an awesome mage? 13:36, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
  5. "Worst Birthday Ever" beats "go talk to a wall" 00:03, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Light is the kind of heroine you want to be close with not only because she can kick major ass but she's one hell of a fine woman ♥♥♥ 01:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  7. She is much cooler then that weakling. 00:27, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Lightning's Blazefire Saber is way cooler than Squall's Revolver, as her's can actually shoot bullets.Additionally, Lightning was always awesome in acrobatics. Squall also sucks in Dissidia if you don't change him (in comparison to other characters when they first start out). 01:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I vote for her simply because shes hot!! Plus, she is Serah's sister. 06:19, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Unless I'm missing something...or it's actually a joke, I'm not seeing the hair thing. Lightning does seem to have a few similarities with Squall despite having apparently been design as a female Cloud. Heck their concept arts are almost the exact same. AnonyMan 22:41, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think we're both missing a joke. I thought it was because they both had gunswords. Mynameissora 01:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I've not played XIII, so I'm not sure if I should really take part in this one. Er, go Squall? Apathetic Piggy 22:56, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

BH, don't...just don't. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:31, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
@Gamer2127's comment: Wot?.
Lol failed.Mynameissora 01:17, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Haven't you people realized Gamer always does that? KujaRhapsodos 02:06, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Sarcasm is really hard to type. King of Noobs 02:08, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

.... You vetoed me for this fight just to spite me, didn't you? DIDN'T YOU?!?! *sigh*... If I were able to vote, I'd vote for Squall, because even as badass as Lightning is, she can't (at least not at the point where I am) OHKO every single ENEMY in the game. King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 11:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to do with Squall and Lightning, and everything to do with the game engine; therefore it's irrelevant -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 12:39, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

WTF why is Squall getting his ass handed to him?!X(Mynameissora 14:08, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe because more people like Lightning? Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:56, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Lightning is the new character, but she is so awesome. She takes Squall's weapon, Cloud's personality, and Terra' femaleness. I can see why everyone could be voting in her favor. A.J. two (Smashboards) 15:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
It could also be that people like Lightning because they are tired of seeing emos like her female counterpart, Cloud and her lover, Sephiroth. Squall doesn't count because he isn't emo, just a jerk/borderline douche. P.S. I voted anyway! 8D Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 15:32, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
It is nice to see that you took a shot at VII characters despite them not being relevant to this fight at all. It makes total sense.--Oranejo 17:30, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Well, thank you! I thought it made perfect sense as well! I can has cookie now? Seriously, it was a joke, lighten up and get over it. Go Lightning! Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 20:25, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
A lot of fans, in all fandoms, think they have something to prove by hating on the most popular installment in a series. Lightning is a new character (I can't judge her qualities as, again, I've not played XIII) who seems to have gone over well. Nobody's burnt on her yet, but eventually the fans'll turn on her too. That's usually how these sorts of things go. Besides, it's not like half the votes are for well-thought out reasons. Go song lyrics! Apathetic Piggy 19:20, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously Lightning is a man in a skirt :/ She irrititates me as a women... FinalFantasyAerith 16:33, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

You say that like it's a bad thing! D: oglop_master 19:56, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I kind of get the hair joke. If Square were to do an updated rendering of Squall, I'd imagine his hair would probably look pretty much identical to Lightnings, just brown. Still...I thought the more logical comparison would of been the whole gunblade thing...Oh, and yeah, while Lightning may be a girl with a manly attitude, you gotta admit, Squall, for the better part of the game, is a man with girl's attitude...and I'm talking the moody "leave me alone or else" PMS girl's attitudeEyestothesky 19:19, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

What moody PMS attitude, Squall had Bi-Polar disorder, when? How is being extremely aloof and nonchalant equate to a girl's attitude?AnonyMan 20:15, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Hey hey!! Squall does not get PMS! He doesn't nag or whinge properly xD FinalFantasyAerith 05:17, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Nor does he run over people with the Bitchmobile like Lightning probably would! And futhermore, I'll understand people who call him a jerk, but he matures into a born leader over the course of the game. As for anyone who calls him a douche, that's nothing but pure ignorance at its worst: Squall is shown, generally speaking, to be pretty damned intelligent. He might not have as much sheer intellect as, say, Hojo or Doctor Odine (whom you must admit are both geniuses, if not super-geniuses), but he's definitely above average. King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 11:23, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm refusing to read the comments and votes for fear of spoilers. Nokareon

Let's all think of our most hated character in VIII- no the whole of the FF series. Lightning is the only one to (repeatedly) punch the most annoying one in her game, therefore what she says goes, despite Squall having superior stats (reletive to his game) Mog&Boko 20:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I said that Squall gets a lot of undeserved flack. I haven't played VIII, so that might factor into it. But one would figure that his personality DOES transfer into other games. He's pretty cool in Kingdom Hearts & completely badass in Dissidia. As for the Gunblade, I don't get why people don't like that at all. It's a very creative weapon with a nice, sleek look to it. Sure, it wouldn't work IRL, but neither would most FF weapons, especially swords, which tend to be more ornate than functional. My only complaint about the Gunblade is that the Lionheart (and maybe some other models) looks like shit.Neo Bahamut 02:58, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
I think Squall's Gunblade is the best one I've ever seen. It doesn't shoot, no, instead it used the vibration caused by the shell "exploding" in the barrel, improving it's dicing power. All the rest of these "proper shooting gunblades" are nothing more than guns with a bloody long bayonet attached. Not overly creative. King of Noobs 17:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
You can say that again. You tell me what's harder to deal with: a clean cut, or a horrific jagged slash. King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 11:22, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm allowed to comment on this fight, since I got the card, but this fight is going pretty much the way I expected it. Lightning ahead. She's the new badass on the block, and I think she even gives Kain a run for his money in the badass department.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png07:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

What's "the card"? FinalFantasyAerith 10:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
One Card to rule them all, One Card to find them,
One Card to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
Likeacupcake 10:24, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
Sangan?  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 10:33, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
This is closer to what I was thinking. Likeacupcake 10:52, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
Roflmao that kinda card could only belong to Jaden xD But seriosuly what is the card that stops you commenting here? FinalFantasyAerith 11:10, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
They got a yellow card from TA, preventing them from voting because of a wrong usage of the Peanut gallery in the previous fight (the songs). Around ten people got them. KujaRhapsodos 13:07, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
I'd prefer not to talk about that...  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:26, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Is this fight a joke, the best protagonist from the best game ever (FFXIII) VS the worst protagonist from the worst game ever (FFVIII). Seeing that, I must conclude that Lightning is winning because her CGI render is much better, or for the reason why her CGI render is better (latest, PS3 game). Also, could people stop ranting over how much they hate a game? It's all a matter of taste. KujaRhapsodos 10:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

@ Your argument is invalid. Squall only gains command of the Garden mid-to-late game, at the beginning of the game he hadn't even graduated into the SeeD program. Lightning quits before the game starts. Also, if you were to call, say, a soldier fighting in Afghanistan "just a grunt soldier", you would get severe backlash from the internet. Or hit.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 11:31, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

@ ... For me, Squall sucks in Dissidia. He's extremely easy to beat and his fighting style kind of fails. But Dissidia varies drastically with the person. oglop_master 16:03, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oh look, it's the two worst protagonists in any Final Fantasy game ever. FFTA-job-timemageM.gifStarkMaximumFFTA-job-timemageNM.gif 05:20, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

If Squall and Lightning are the two worst ever, than who are the two best ever? King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 12:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I never understood how Lightning was based on Cloud , only in design probably but other than her personality and background are almost totally different AznPinoyFlip 20:00, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. While I can sort of see the angle from which the comparison is made, I really don't think that Lightning is in any way a counterpart to Cloud. Besides, if Light were equivalently Cloud, there would have to be some sort of wannabe Sephiroth proxy in XIII... -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 22:12, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I can see a few similarities between the two, such as mostly not caring about people except for one special person, Serah for Light and Tifa for Cloud. But besides that I agree that I don't see the resemblance. Aarim 01:07, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like Lightning's got this in the bag. Either she's that good of a character, or XIII is that good of a game. Mind you, when you got a guy with a chocobo in his hair, the game's good. Pity about Squall, though, he really is a great leading man.

I thought squall was going to get his ass handed to him, what with the new game hype, VIII haters and Squall haters combined, I thought it would be a sure thing. But I must say, despite all this, he's putting up a half decent fight. Likeacupcake 08:45, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

A half decent fight, or at least a half decent comeback since Squall was losing bad but now he is only behind by 1 vote (61-60.) Tonberi Shadou 13:39, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, they're tied with 60 right now. I seriously thought that Lightning was going to win, but now it looks like it is going to be a tie. I wonder if Silver will get his wish next fight (Barret vs. Sazh)? A.J. two (Smashboards) 14:11, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
Did not expect this, Squall is winning 61.5 to 60. and why Barret vs. Sazh? Tonberi Shadou 15:04, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
They're black. They use guns. What more do you need? --SilverCrono 21:22, May 14, 2010 (UTC) PS- I just can't stay away, huh? Well, this is the last one. If you want to talk to me, please do it on my talk page; I won't answer here.

Hmm Squall caught up , Heh Lets tie it come on haha AznPinoyFlip 03:38, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think the Anon votes make it tie. Mynameissora 11:28, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

How much are anon votes worth?Aarim 15:16, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Half the worth of a registered user vote Bjarnster 16:05, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Its a tie as of now. I expected Lightning to win, but Squall caught up. Let's hope the next fight is this good. (COUGHSAZHVBARRETCOUGHAERITHVYUNA)  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png17:54, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

  1. hmmmm this is a close one... too tough to call. EXCITING!! HAHAHA BboyMog 02:09, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

"I don't need 3.5 Years to playing Squall"? What does that mean? Aarim 16:15, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Anyone got any ideas? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 19:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
I could be wrong, but I think it means the time we waited between FFXII and FFXIII. It was about 3.5 years between the games. But the vote still makes no sense.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png21:34, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

67.5 to 67, I think it's time to call this a tie and move on. King of Noobs 05:10, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nobody is going to win this,It's 68.5-67.5. What is taking so long? Tonberi Shadou 13:54, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Week 147: Montblanc v. Shantotto[edit source]

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49 1/2 to 28
Tiny mages full of might, always ready for a fight. Can the primo Moogle best her at her own craft, or will it be Shantotto who has the last laugh? WINNER!

Votes for Kupo-po![edit source]

  1. C'mon, who can resist the pom-pom! King of Noobs 15:43, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Because Shantotto's "laugh" is grating. Jeppo 15:49, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Shantotto is from FFXI, 'nuff said Bjarnster 16:20, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Shantotto got on my nerves in Dissidia ¬¬ Pom poms ftw!! XD FinalFantasyAerith 16:28, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Kupo! I personally don't know anything about the other one... what game is that from again? Kupo. Zeypher 17:13, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  6. He looks so sweet. Hazetar 18:08, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Shantotto is annoyingAcboyz2 19:15, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  8. The Moogle is better than the projectile used in the game of "Dissidia Baseball". though not by much. Also because Montblanc is (slightly) less annoying than that laugh. The.DreadnoughT 19:32, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Kupo! Kupo-po... Every time you vote against a moogle in the DNC you crush a kupo nut and begin to starve a moogle. Mog&Boko 19:35, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I second the above post. Shantotto doesn't even begin to measure up to Montblanc. oglop_master 16:36, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  11. He's a good character to have in your party. (I like FFTA and FFTA2) genesisrocks
  12. This is by far the most Kupo story I've ever heard! -Nokareon
  13. I do not like Shantotto in Dissidia at all and I have played FFXI only for few days, so my vote, gets the guy from the Rabanastre Clan Hall...MMLN メーマウリアン 21:07, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Montblanc took the place of Stiltzkin as my favorite Moogle ever, so... Well, that's all I need to say. Sol Vent 22:45, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  15. He reminds me of fudge, brown sugar, maple, caramell, chestnuts, and oh-so many brown coloured sweets... Cheers to you, Kuzzy-wuz-- I mean, Lala! I totally meant to call you Lala. Inside joke. <.< But I love you too, Shantotto! D: 尾藤 23:16, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Uh, epic cousin to Hurdy anyone? PinkAye 19:38, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Because Shantotto is annoying as all get out. And becuase Led Zepplin is extremely overrated. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:36, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  18. He's Hurdy's brother for jesus's sake. -Henryacores^ 10:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  19. I hate shantotto's laugh. bananabas 13:19, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  20. No contest at all. JohnnyC 15:17, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Kupo! Uppfinnarn 15:57, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  22. because the other one annoys me Kassandria 16:25, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  23. When I lost Montblanc in a Jagd in FFTA, I started weeping. Well, no, not really, but still.Mynameissora 18:30, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Better game I guess.. LC 18:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Voting cause 1. I love Moogles 2. Montblanc is in he games that i have actually played and own. Shantotto....only seen ..that thing whatever it is (mouse?) in Dissidia on Youtube. D.Dark. 19:39, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Kupopo~ Karu
  27. Lizard Men!? Sunpanda2012 23:11, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  28. I am Montblanc, Kupo!!! Regigliak 02:26, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  29. I get annoyed by Shantotto, so I'll go ahead and vote for Montblanc. *wonders where Kuzlalala is* Hytey 09:11, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  30. kupoooo in FFTA he is the character that i always count on he is a moogle a black mage and for me thats my name BLK.MAGE.MOG 09:30, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Yes! I could finally vote for Montblanc! (though I slightly less like him now...) ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 09:51, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  32. I like this little guy. --Evnyofdeath 17:03, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  33. After being in 3 games (good by the way), he is probably the king of known moogles. The spunky moogle from Ivalice gets my vote. Updraft Reiza
  34. A Moogle is a Moogle! .::\\NinjaSolution//::. 20:16, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Shantotto was in Dissidia, but I do not own it. So, I will be "Kupo of Kupo nuts". A.J. two (Smashboards) 20:49, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Montblanc was a kupo moogle. *Nod*. Caellach
  37. Not the best moogle ever but still great NeoExdeath 04:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Well, Shantotto is kinda annoying in Dissidia. Anyway, Montblanc always helps me in FFXII like giving me tips on my hunting marks and where to find them! Montblanc is in overall better than Shantotto.. So my vote goes to Montblanc.--TerraBranford145322 08:58, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Two words: Shantoto's laugh. Lord Knight Xiron 22:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  40. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Cute!!!!!!! Rinoa Leonheart 06:16, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  41. No contest. Montblanc is my shining hope for moogle-kind, and Shantoto is a batsh** crazy b*** in XI... Anobi 16:22, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Know very little about either, but at least Montblanc dosent speak in rhyme... All the time... Lemon and lime, e.t.c Jamiemitsu FTW 19:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Kupo... Montblanc is bad ass. He gives you the hardest mark in Final Fantasy XII... and he is soooooo cute...look the pom-pom. He is the far best moogle in the series. KirArik10:47, May 3,2010 (UTC)
  44. Kupo in FFXII was so cute,so definetly vote for all Kupoぴ. Slencia 18:16, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Montblanc is terrible, and people who idolize him creep me out. --Gamer2127 19:21, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Only one of the 2 I know. Mog's the better playable moogle anyway. TARDISES 15:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
  47. Creepy char deserves no votes Johuotar 11:55, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I'm currently playing FFTA, so my vote goes to the small, moogly one. 17:55, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Though I hate not the lady's arcane might, I must vote Montblanc to win this fight. 05:18, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Much love for the moogles, and much hate for that snarky "lady's" laugh in Dissidia. Also, FFXI does not exist in my soul. Rather, MMORPG's would eat my soul so I haven't played it.# 17:43, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Oh-hohoho![edit source]

  1. Voting for the one with the best quotes in Dissidia. "Why is something burning? You'll look better on ice! Your hair is a distraction! Inside your head is the Void." Doreiku Kuroofangu 15:59, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Because I have a feeling she'll need votes. And her EX Mode is rape. Moocowisi 16:22, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  3. BlueHighwind : The Queen of Light took her bow and then she turned to go
    The Prince of Peace embraced the gloom and walked the night alone
    Oh, dance in the dark night, sing to the morning light
    The Dark Lord rides in force tonight, and time will tell us all
    Oh, throw down your plow and hoe, race now to my bow
    Side by side we wait the might, of the darkest of them all
    I hear the horses thunder down in the valley below
    I'm waiting for the angels of Avalon, waiting for the eastern glow
    The apples of the valley hold the seeds of happiness
    The ground is rich from tender care, which they do not forget, no, no
    Dance in the dark night, sing to the morning light
    The apples turn to brown and black, the tyrant's face is red
    Oh, war is the common cry, pick up your swords and fly
    The sky is filled with good and bad, mortals never know
    Oh well, the night is long, the beads of time pass slow
    Tired eyes on the sunrise, waiting for the eastern glow
    The pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath
    The drums will shake the castle wall, the Ringwraiths ride in black (ride on)
    Sing as you raise your bow, (ride on) shoot straighter than before
    No comfort has the fire at night that lights the face so cold
    Oh, dance in the dark night, sing to the morning light
    The magic runes are writ in gold to bring the balance back, bring it back
    At last the sun is shining, the clouds of blue roll by
    With flames from the dragon of darkness, the sunlight blinds his eyes
    Oh, bring it back, bring it back...
  4. Ohohoho! FaythOfFenrir 17:38, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Voting for her just to ask what on earth that poem was. Exdeath64 20:10, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I don't really know a lot about either of these characters, but my vote has to slide towards Shantotto. Not only does she liven up Dissidia, but her spells flow nicely together.Kamikaze Pardee 23:32, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Wait, what? Shantotto is getting her ass kicked? Do you people not comprehend the awesomeness or something?--Oranejo 02:38, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  8. I have only seen these two in cameos. I have to say I thought Shantotto's Dissidia appearance was more interesting than receiving missions from Montblanc in FFXII. ClixPsi 02:52, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  9. It's Shantotto.I don't need a reason.--StragusLore 04:44, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I have my reasons Commander Kain Highwind 18:39, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  11. As a long time FFXI player, I have seen Shantotto do horrific, horrible things to her enemies. As a long time FFTA player I know Montblanc is a decent black mage, but little more. Therefore, my choice is clear. Swmystery 14:46, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Since it's a battle of ability Shantotto would mop the floor with Montblanc. She's a much more accomplished character than he is. She's one of the big dogs in FFXI, she's not too nice but she's entertaining(esepcially amongst Dissida's cast)AnonyMan 19:25, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Meh, I'll just go for Shantotto. She's just so epic! FinalAnnihilator 20:09, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Her laugh. That's enough to vote for her don't you think? XxRikku-chanxX 22:28, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
  15. While I haven't played XI, I did like her in Dissidia and I just can't abide bunny ears on moogles. Hyacynth 00:11, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  16. I love moogles, but Shantotto stole my heart in Dissidia with her awesome spells and quotes.
  17. KujaRhapsodos 11:04, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Permit me then, in lieu of the more commonplace sobriquet, to suggest the character of this dramatis persona. Wait, what? Oh well. 8bit 15:08, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Magic awesomeness! Intercision 16:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
  20. I hate both characters, but I hate Montblanc far more for being the creme de la creme of overrated schite from that overrated schitefest Ivalice Alliance that fucking ruined the original world of Ivalice.Neo Bahamut 21:22, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true
    A-wanted a woman, never bargained for you
    Lots of people talkin', few of them know
    soul of a woman was created below, yay
    You hurt and abuse, tellin' all of your lies
    Run 'round sweet baby, lord, how they hypnotize
    Sweet little baby, I don't know where you been
    Gonna love you baby, here I come again
    Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my hard-earned pay
    Try to love you, baby, but you push me away
    Don't know where you're goin', only know just where you've been
    Sweet little baby, I want you again
    That's not my babe
    Ah, ah, ah, ah
    Did you ever look-up my woman
    Ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah
    Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, ah
    Ahh, ah, ah, ah, ah
    Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahhh, ahh
    Oh, yeah, alright, alright
    Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah
    Ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah
    Oh, I don't like when you're mystifyin' me
    Oh, don't leave me so confused, now
    Whoa, baby
    Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true
    Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
    Take it easy, baby, let them say what they will
    Tongue wag so much when I send you to Hell, oh, yeah, alright
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ah, ah, ah
    Ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah Hexed 12:36, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Every woman has regrets. User:RosalynSable
  23. I don't really know much about Shantottto, but every time I play Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, I send Montblanc on a "harmless" trip to a jagd. Xaphnir 03:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  24. I am voting for the rhyming one. Huzzah for rhyme.--Otherarrow 12:27, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
  25. I like Shantotto a fair bit, and with Zeppelin on her side, nary a thing in a just world should stop her. --Apathetic Piggy 07:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC
  26. The professor is obviously more powerful! Shantotto's Ascension! Time-mage 14:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
  27. No surprise here, being the resident FFXI expert. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Shantotto pwns. 22:08, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 'cause she's cute. 14:50, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Week 146: Behemoth v. Malboro[edit source]

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57.5 to 50
Two of the hallmarks of creaturedom in all of Final Fantasy, the might Behemoth and the reviled Malboro. Can any stand next up to the mightiest of creatures, or will it fall to the pestilence of nature? WINNER!
Amano Behemoth FII.jpg

Votes for Behemoth[edit source]

  1. FaythOfFenrir 03:50, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Marlboro is just annoying, plan the right resistances and bang, his main hit is gone. Also... Behemoth sounds cooler.Likeacupcake 03:51, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Faethinte audio detesta a los behemotes, hijos de la gran puta, que se pudran en el infierno carajos de mierda.
  4. Absolutely no competition. A Behemoth would rip that mother f***ing marlboro to shreads, eat him, sh*t him back out, and use what's left for toilet paper... just saying. JFHavoc 04:34, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Ultima 10:59, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Marlboro may be annoying with that bad breath attack, but all you need is a ribbon and you've already won..Behemoth on the other hand, has physical strength AND meteor, and they were so hard in FFIV with all those counterattacks, they even had the boss theme played whenever fighting them..--Koori-san 12:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)koori-san
  7. Malboros are cheap. Behemoths, however are powerful in its own right in both physical brawn and magical might. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 12:11, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  8. They always are really powerfull and look much cooler Kassandria 12:54, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I hate Malboros Bad Breath. Hazetar 14:57, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Hey I have to admit malboro's are freakin' annoying but Behemoth's in FFIV are almost impossible even with level 80+ party! genesisrocks
  11. The Behomoths deserve this vote. Try playing XIII - once you get the Behemoths to stand on two legs, they will attack you with Sunder, which is about 75% Instant-KO. --A.J. two 16:05, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Because they don't feel the need to use bad breath. God, I hate that attack. Moocowisi 16:44, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Blykus 17:52, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Because Behemoths are awesome in XIII. SilverChronoSig4.png 18:00, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  16. I've had numerous K.O.s by King Behemoths in X, due to their horrible Meteor spell. They were much more frightening than Malboros. Intercision 18:42, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Behemoths can actually be dangerous(sometimes they can even be considered mini-bosses, see FFIV), while Malboros can be nuisances at most with their Status Attacks. Bad Breath is an useful Blue Magic in FFTA2:GotR though. Uppfinnarn 19:27, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Because they're huge, cooler looking, and don't remind me of a brand of cigarettes. Plus, in my opinion, Behemoths are a lot harder to beat. For Malboros, all you need is a ribbon or Esuna. Hytey 12:39, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Malboros creep me out a bit. I dunno. And I enjoy hearing the word behemoth in XII with an accent. Oglop Master
  20. FUCK YOU, YOU GOD DAMN METEOR SPAMMING SON OF A...*Static*... we at the Salem Mercy Asylum apologize for the actions of Exdeath64. We don't know how he got out of his cell, and least of all how he managed to figure out how to get the password for the Wardens computer. Exdeath64 22:33, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  21. I'm basing this on FFIV. Behemoths were harder there. Plus i just think they're cooler in general.--DarkTriforce 00:50, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  22. my ass got kicked more often by Behemoth-type creatures, than Malboros :P That's why he got my vote. MMLN メーマウリアン 01:35, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Behemoth summoning in Dissidia while hitting with a seemingly nonlethal HP Attack is noobish....but it gets the job done. Marlboro on the other hand, only works when you're near. --Silver Mage Ω 03:30, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  24. baaaah forget about marlboro man! check this out The Behemoth is probably one of the most flexible enemy in the Final Fantasy enemy tier! Marlboro's are pretty much a predictable enemy! status ailments and what not! besides i think the marlboro being a kind of a limp piece of vegetation is WEAK! SO YEAH!! Behemoth all the way! Their tougher, bigger, stronger, flexible and most importantly they have fangs!! sharp pointy deadly fangs!!! not that pathetic chiseled puny excuse for a teeth the marlboro has hahahaha xD BboyMog 02:16, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
  25. OwlEye There's a reason animals eat plant.
  26. The Malboro pisses me off. The Behemoth looks much more badass, so it gets my vote.KefkaPVI 17:06, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Behemoths are cool. Malboros creep me out and remind me of cigarettes O.o XxRikku-chanxX 17:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  28. The Marlboro is very boring,Behemoth is badass (and even a bit tricky IV). White Mage From Hell
  29. Malboros caused me lots of game overs. LC 18:50, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Behemoth is definitely harder and has better attacks compared to the Marlboro. Plus, it's cool to see how it has changed over the years and is still one of the series' hardest foes, sometimes even after the final boss has been taken care of.Kamikaze Pardee 21:25, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  31. A ribbon and that ugly deformed thing is dead. Behemoth on the other hand takes a bit too take down. Another thing is that Behemoth appear in most games unlike Marlboro which only appears in IV (as of my knowledge anyway). And no one can argue that Behemoth isnt a cooler name then Marlboro. D.Dark. 00:05, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Because Malboros need status effects to be dangerous whereas Behemoths just damage you, then kill you. The.DreadnoughT 00:21, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Malboro creep me out. Also, Behemoth looks manly and muscular --Sencilia 02:49, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Malboros were not in XIII for once and I was GLAD man I hated those things especially in VIII Bruntie2 09:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  35. It wouldn't be FF without either of these. Malboros are far more irritating, but let's face it, Behemoths have more style BritPenance 15:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Tough call. Arbitrary decision. Masamune
  37. Lets face it, I haven't even seen a malboro on FF XIII yet, but Behemoths by the dozens have been cracking shots at me from the beginning... Acrum92 17:24, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Behemoths can cast Meteor. Can Malboros cast Meteor? No? I didn't think so. Nokareon
  39. In XIII when they rip a weapon out of there skull is pretty coolSunpanda2012 21:42, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Behemoths > Malboros ¬­ЄІ׀ģαήŧ ЄχçαІ׀Ъųг 04:19, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Rinoa Leonheart 21:45, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Void Captain Pity Vote.
  43. Solution, of NinjaSolution Why pity? People just can't handle the awesome power held in the Behemoth. I'm basing this vote on pure awesome, not difficulty or just being a pain in the ass. I loved `em. Every time I fought one in FF6 I felt bad after killing one because I wanted to look at it longer xD I loved them!
  44. Behemoths are vastly more powerful, relying on brute force rather than simply annoying status effects. Signed, Navere
  45. I hate,hate,hate,hate,HATE Malboro....FFIV Masamune.gifKerodrakeFFTA-job-paladin.gif 2:49 April 22 2010
  46. No one actually LIKES Behemoths. They are the most boring, generic and easiest monsters across the entire series. Malboros are totatlly awesome plus they remind me of the Marlboro cigarettes. THAT is why Malboro gets my vote. --Gamer2127 19:20, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  47. Well, Ultima weapon is considered a behemoth, right? If so, my vote is for behemoth. But god damn, I must have died over four hundred times trying to kill behemoths in the lair of the father in FFIV for the DS, and quite a few times in IX. Malboros never really bothered me that much, only time they did was in X. Caellach
  48. Eh, Malboros never really affected me because I was really anal about stuff like that, but Behemoth always over powered me in every way. PinkAye
  49. Obviously...xXdbXx 11:59 a.m. 04/23/10
  50. Malboros may have been annoying, but my stats were always high enough to scrape through. Behemoths were the only creature in Final Fantasy that I wasn't comfortable fighting. Updraft Reiza
  51. malboros where never that hard for me behemoth was much harder from my opinion anyway [cloud9000]
  52. Malboros are flipping annoying. Behemoth FTW. NARDOTHEOSICARUS 20:10, April 24, 2010 (UTC) 20:10, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
  53. Spite vote User:Mrfluffums
  54. Malboros may be harder to kill, especially in my all time least favorites VIII and X, but Behemoths are prettier. Discordius 04:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
  55. ofcourse ... :p LittleLady 13:32, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Behemoths could kick their ass :O 03:58, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Behemoths don't need you to be under the effects of like 5 statuts ailments to kick your ass. Also, they're much cooler. I always look forward to seeing how they designed the behemoths in a new game. 12:41, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I'm not in to tentacle hentai# 13:17, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Behemoths hold true to their name. They're big, they're powerful, and may god have mercy on your soul if you run into one. Malboros are another hated enemy of the Final Fantasy universe, don't get me wrong, but they can't compare to a Behemoth. All Malboros really have going for them is their Bad Breath attack, which can be easily negated in most games. On top of that, even in games where I've had no abilities or equipment to prevent the effects of Bad Breath, I've never had a problem fighting them. Malboros have never defeated me, while Behemoths have kicked my ass more times than I can remember. They win this hands down. 16:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Behemoths are major pwnage! 14:57, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Malboro[edit source]

  1. Because Malboros are my worst nightmare. They can inflict nearly every status at once, while your team slowly dies from poison while unable to hit anything and cannot cast spells. Malboro's equal trouble. Plain and simple.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png03:53, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Because when I fight a Behemoth I just think it looks cool, but when I fight a Malboro I am actually slightly afraid Rasenshinko
  3. Damn these monsters... If they can beat me on a team where I use gameshark hacks, then they could damn easily beat behemoths. MadHatter1284 04:26, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Cannot stand the status effects. — YuanSalve!Acta 04:39, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Because I think pure ugly wins out over cool ugly. King of Noobs 04:54, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I only found Behemoths threatening in FFIV. I always find Malboros threatening. --ClixPsi 06:18, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  7. I could always manage Behemoths, but Malboros induce fear and terror in me. The fact that some of them were named after women in FF XII was funny. I missed them in FF XIII in any case. SamSandy 07:25, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Jáh hann sagði Bad Breath For the Win !! Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx.png 07:44, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  9. FinalFantasyAerith 09:06, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  10. FFVIII: I only beat Marlboros with Limit Breaks. FFX: Great Marlboros are nightmare too. Behemoths? Cool and mighty, but very easy to kill. KujaRhapsodos 10:22, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Behemoths only threaten with physical power, and in some forms a last gasp Meteor. With Malboro the threat of Bad Breath is omnipresent and will mess you up unless you're wearing a Ribbon. Up there with Tonberry as the scariest recurring monster in the series, for me. Swmystery 10:31, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Behemoth Kings were dangerous to start with in X, but got were no longer a threat once you had Auto-Protect and Auto-Life, not to mention that Catoblepas was relatively pathetic. Great Malboros, however, were a constant threat (1/3 chance of using Bad Breath on any given turn), and would seriously fuck you up more than you can imagine. And Malboro Menace... oh God, after he killed me the first time with instant Putrid Breath, I didn't try to fight him until Tidus could inflict around 15,000 damage per hit with the fully-powered Caladbolg (ON SHINRYU!!!!) and also had at least 150 Agility, Accuracy, Defense, Magic Defense, 100 Luck, and armor with Blindproof, Berserkproof, Sleepproof, and Silenceproof (so he could cast Esuna to get rid of other status ailments. That was just on X. Back on VII, Bad Breath be damned, I ran the hell away if I met a Malboro, and I didn't change that policy until Cloud had Ultima Weapon and Omnislash AND was ready to use it at the start of battle. VIII wasn't much better, but I was at least willing to fight them on a regular basis after I had Lionheart, Quick Shot with 100 Fast Ammo, Zell with Meteor Barret/My Final Heaven, and the GFs Eden, Bahamut, and Doomtrain. Oh, and the humanity! Don't even get me fucking started on the Malboros in IV!!! Also, they sound a lot like a cancer stick (Marlboro). King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 11:45, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Annoyance? Debuffs>HP Damage = Malboro>Behemoth. ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 11:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  14. The brute power of Behemoths can often KO a party member every turn, but I'm the kind of player who never leaves for the next dungeon without a good stock of items including Phoenix Down, so I can deal with that. Malboros on the other hand, at least in the later games can Confuse, Sleep, Silence, Blind and/or Berserk the entire party, often as their first move. At that point you just have to hope and pray some non-Berserk party membrer gets hit with an attack so you can regain control and toss Remedies. Doreiku Kuroofangu 15:25, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Quite literally the creature I fear the most in all of Final Fantasy. Bad Breath will mess you up! You don't screw around with Malboros. Breezer226
  16. No! Run away! Run Away! Thats all, okay, thats all you could think when fighting the Malboro or I hope it doesn't use bad breath! Especialy later in the game when they get stronger! Behemoth is easy all you have to worry about is hacking and healing, with the malboro you have to worry about every single status effect hitting at once... thats a party killer especialy when your mage is beserk... so yes my vote goes here.KiraArik
  17. The best of the worst creatures to walk the FF universe. Balthierfan 19:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Both of them are easy to defeat but Malboro are much more fearsome the first time you meet them. A simple protect spell will save you from a Behemoth but a Malboro can kill you before you even get to act. Yea there are ribbons but the chance to see a Malboro will probably happen before you have one. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig.png 23:45, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Bad Breath. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 00:56, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  20. So cute! - Ash Crimson - 06:19, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Ambush Bad Breath = Game Over Hamfruitcake 09 11:53, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  22. They have a creepier appearance. Also bad status effects are always a problem no matter how strong you become. AnonyMan 13:34, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  23. It's a Malboro. A staple of Final Fantasy. Behemoths, while commonplace, are also commonplace in similar forms in other games, while Malboros are a unique thing to Final Fantasy. Legend of Fantasy 18:05, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Everyone's getting it wrong! Malboro's are generally helpless. They're there to remind you that your characters are their own worst enemies, just by the power of bad breath. Mog&Boko 19:02, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  25. While Behemoths are impressive, Malboros are more memorable just for being total assholes. --Cid of the Lufaine 19:17, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Definitely these critters get my vote!Behemoths you can take down with force, while Malboros take actual luck to defeat, remember beating them in FF8 and FF12? Even if you got past the hexing, they were still a force to worry about, or simply re-cast Bad Breath again...ThaneThamasa 22:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Malboros are perhaps the scariest things to grace the final fantasy series other than Tonberries... If you pit this thing up against a Behemoth, im pretty sure the Malboro would daze the living daylights out of that brute. Sure it's harmless if you have a ribbon or three (four for the oldies) but those things are a pain to get! Whenever i see one of these things pop up in a random battle i stare blankly at it for a minute or two out of awe, then i return to my team who's either half dead, suffering from every status ailment under the Moon, or even both! I can say i'm glad Malboros are end-game monsters as it'd put me off the area they inhabit like an arachnaphobic would a spiders den! They would do that anyway if it was not for them liking the final dungeons! Typhoon Wynn 23:40, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Bad Breath For Blue Magiks. A Nightmare for the unprepared. On many occasions you have to go out of your way to find a Malboro. --Theentertainer
  29. Destriker73 07:10, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
  30. They kept using bad breath!Wasted my remedies.....Zaffarar 09:38, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Malboro would just kill the Behemoth with Bad Breath. Can't beat the Malboro if you can't attack ShadouTonberi 13:31, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Definitely Malboro. Stats ailments suck especially when you're blind, silenced, asleep, berserk, poison, oil, sap, confused, paralyzed, stone, and diseased. I'm siding with the big green guy this time.sephirothgainsborough 10:20, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  33. I honestly think that the molboro would win in a battle. Many people would underestimate something as seemingly dull as a molboro wouldn't be capable of doing much damage. But the thing is, many of the types I've fought in FFXII, they've all found some way to cause trouble. Like the Vivian. That ability it uses on you can cause stop. Putrid Breath is not a burden you want on your hands. Of course a remedy would work, but not so much since it only aids one person at a time. And esuna can't cure Stop. So, definitely the Molboro.Thunderbird30 20:33, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  34. I have been effectively f**ked over by Malboro many, many more times than by Behemoth. JohnnyC 23:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Odeio estas conas verdes. - Henryacores^ 00:06, April 20, 2010 (UTC
  36. Voting for this on the basis of it's status effects and the fact that some idiot on the other side thought they were only in VI theevilgood 11:44, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  37. A Lot more annoying than the other SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:55, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Tribaleon 16:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  39. This is a fairly tough decision for me, but seeing the giant malboro in the Fortress conecpt art makes me think that it's definately the more badass of the two. SonOfAJenova 18:27, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  40. All hail the Marlbo... I mean, Malboro! FinalAnnihilator 20:23, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Although I like both Behemoth and Malboro as an enemy, Malboros have Bad Breath which proves it to be a better challenge than Behemoth if you don't have a Ribbon or two.DragoonNobodies 14:34, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Malboro would ambush and use Bad Breath, then Behemoth would slowly kill itself. No78
  43. Malboros are more iconic and unique for Final Fantasy than the Behemoth. Cool Monster tho, the behemoth The Rood Inverse
  44. I hate negative status effects... Johuotar 15:25, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Everytime I see this enemy pop up, I always give a long sigh! Especially when I play FFX I worry slightly when he ambushes you. Even though my characters are at max levels, they are useless when they all fall asleep with poison or when confused and poison. I'm sure if this compete again Behemoth. No offense to Behemoth, he is powerful but he is manageable. Bad Breath is the killer in this one. Zeypher April 22, 2010 (UTC)\
  46. The Behemoth may be powerful, and have more HP than is possible for your characters, but how can it compete with inflicting every FREAKING STATUS EFFECT POSSIBLE! You learn to play these games carefully, and protect yourself from status effects because they're more deadly that any bture strength enemy. I would say that the Malboro would beat out the behemoth in almost any of the Final Fantasy games.Bond em7 18:04, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
  47. In Tactics, all Behemoths can do is attack. Malboros have Malboro Spores. Remember that Dark Knight you put so much time and effort into? Just write him off and remember him as who he was. The Terran Storm
  48. I think both are awesome creatures, but when it comes to Final Fantasy, I think more people cringe at the sight of a Malboro than a Behemoth. I know I do. Mantlecore77 13:03, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  49. As with every recurring enemy in the series, both of these guys tend to change in terms of their difficulty. Marlboro, while it doesn't always inflict EVERY negative status effect in the game (FFVI and XII I believe are examples of that), I've always found these guys far more annoying than Behemoths. On your first play-through of any FF they almost always appear when you least expect them (on a snow-capped mountain in FFVII?), and you usually won't have enough Ribbons to cover your whole party. Behemoths aren't anything if your healer isn't fail since they really only deal straight damage, and in games where you have some kind of taunt (e.g. Provoke), and he's not immune, he's easy experience for the most part. Eyestothesky 19:06, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. . I give my vote because even with power-leveling, being caught off guard by Malboros would mean a game over sometimes, and because I always like to think Square was making a comment about cigarettes being deadly and giving you bad breath. Kinda clever I thought, you had to think about it a little. -- 10:01, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
  2. . I've never had a game over with a Behemoth. I have however had several with a Malboro and they're infuriating; the pain of watching your characters basically murder themselves in unbearable and I hate malboros for it... burning hate... 15:02, April 25, 2010 (UTC)\
  3. Malboro hands down # 19:33, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
  4. 09:36, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Week 145: Lulu v. Tifa[edit source]

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49 to 30 1/2
I can't help but find this hilarious. Yes, strong powerful women from X and VII. They could be compared other ways too, which are obvious. WINNER!
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Votes for Lulu[edit source]

  1. Lulu have better style than Tifa. Hazetar 19:18, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Wow. This was tough.... But, Lulu was more useful in X than Tifa in VII, as Cloud hit harder than her; nobody in my X party used magic like Lulu. SilverChronoSig4.png 21:55, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Blykus 21:57, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Lulu, will you marry me???? Seriously, since I first played FFX, I think she became my number one favorite FF character, above even Kuja and Vivi (and so much above dear ol' Auron). She's so.... superior in every way. Clever, strong willed, powerful, funny (I mean, against Sin, she actually JUMPED FIRST), etc., etc. She is my beloved. Kuja_and_Lulu are so happy together... 23:34, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  5. BLACK MAGE? 8bit 01:16, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Lulu > Tifa in all aspects :P MMLN メーマウリアン 02:14, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Looking back on Tifa, she's not as cool as my first impression of her. I liked Aerith more. Lulu, however, is an awesome character with a great sense of snark.Neo Bahamut 02:59, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Underdooooooooooog! But seriously, I found Tifa to be too flat (CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT-wise, not... never mind...) and of course in battle she's nothing special as VII lets you mold anyone you want into a killing machine. Lulu's spells on the other hand were quite essential in many a fight, making her at least necessary to the fights even if she wasn't the best character ever made. Hey, at least she wasn't Kimahri. Nokareon
  9. Unless forced to by the game, Lulu never left my party in X, unlike Tifa, who I bounced around as needed. My vote goes to the black mage of X.King of Noobs 04:24, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Lulu is the worst character in X, one of the worst games in the series. --Gamer2127 05:28, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Lulu is awesome, she kicked butt and she never left my party, or my heart! GLG
  12. Because Tifa was useless, and Lulu was not... SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:36, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I find Lulu a lot more feminine. In many ways... FinalAnnihilator 10:51, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Ultima Fury FTW. Seriously, once I got TEN Ultima spells at once. Can Tifa do the same? No? That's what I thought. King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 11:36, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Voting for the one that isn't pathetic in every way. Seriously,losing to Loz=Failure ShadouTonberi 13:46, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  16. FaythOfFenrir 15:26, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Win--DarkTriforce 20:01, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Destriker73 02:49, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Lulu is the best Final Fantasy character. Ever. Zegota 03:40, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Tifa has no defining abilities beyond punching things repeatedly- all her other power comes from Materia. Lulu, by contrast, doesn't need any help to blast enemies into all kinds of fiery armageddon. Swmystery 13:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Okay, really, people? This is the third (or fourth if you count the deleted Kuja vs. Sephiroth fight) fight involving FFVII in a row. Could we have something that doesn't involve that game? Just do a fight with VII vs. The Rest of the FF Series and get it over with. We all know who will win all of these. I'm tired of it. The only interesting one was deleted, and I'm sick of this game. Oglop Master 18:30, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Pity vote. I agree with the above comment. -- Mako Angel
  23. Because Lulu is awesome. And intelligent (especially compared to Tifa, who was too stupid to just tell Cloud he was insane; Lulu actually did tell Tidus his brain needed defragging.) Also "Ultima Fury" (see: Awesome2). Also see Vote #12 (Tifa's useless; Lulu isn't.) and because Lulu is better-looking. Not that it matters. The.DreadnoughT 03:57, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Because she is more useful in my opinion. Plus sitting on fences is very painful. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 17:38, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
  25. My Nan's dog, named Lulu, is staying over this week. Coincidence? Probably. I think not!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:15, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Ultima 10:53, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
  27. OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMN - Henryacores^ 17:42, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
  28. She has big boobies and awesome black magic. And a Moomba. For Etna's sake, I will not fail! 16:09, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Lulu casts death, Tifa is now dead. RumDrools 09:39, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I just think Lulu is pretty cool. 20:12, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  2. She's awesome. 17:25, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Totally fell in love with lulu when i played ffx -- 14:18, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Tifa[edit source]

  1. *looking at her chest*  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 21:58, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Tifa. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 22:08, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Black long straight hair, nice figure, tight and small shirt, short pants, big tits and a great personality, what more can you ask for? Well, she could listen Dream Theater... ---- TenzaZangetsu This is our year... April 8 2010 (UTC)
  4. What Tenza said Naruto195 22:51, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Though I would normally vote Lulu, I think Tifa deserves my vote, because of a few reasons. Her Limit Break is devastating against single targets. She has a much more congenial and sunny personality. She was the first of the archetype to really capture my attention. And to top it off, she's a Monk, which is my third favorite Job Class, after Dragoon and Blue Mage.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png23:40, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Hmm...Another contest between two lousy characters. Tifa's just boring all around in design, personality even ability. Seeing her just makes me think Farah Oersted from "Tales of Eternia" but 100 times lamer. Still she's more pleasant a character than Lulu and she doesn't look as stupid, still wish Loz would've punched a hole in her stomach. AnonyMan
  7. Tifa was cool and yes she's hot, but I like her for reasons beyond her looks. Lulu was just a bitch plain and simple. Plus, anything that would stoop to fucking Wakka needs to die. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:27, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Drake made me lol. But, yeah. Tifa's just a more likable character. Moocowisi 01:02, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  9. BlueHighwind : Huge tracks of land!
  10. I like to use her battle, unlike Lulu. I equally like their characterizations. P.S.: Not voting for the endowment, as it has no effect on me. --ClixPsi 01:27, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Sorry Lulu, but I haven't played 10 yet, so Tifa it is! Likeacupcake 01:38, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Tifa was in my final party. Lulu most likey will not be. Oh...andthat. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:03, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I like Tifa better then Lulu (I've never gotten far enough or saw anyone far enough in game to have Lulu), so she gets my vote. --A.J. two 03:17, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  14. I'd have to go with Tifa on this one, though I would still vote for her even if I had played Final Fantasy X. She's just an all around good character and I got a kick out of the love triangle in FFVII. It was a win-win for Cloud until Aeris died, then it just became a win.Kamikaze Pardee 04:42, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Tifa was the first FF character I really liked. Pure and simple. Cluna 06 04:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Tifa was far more useful for me than Lulu. After Aeris I designated Tifa as my mage, frankly because I hated the other options and would never make Vincent, Red XIII, or Barrett a mage. And come on, she has an awesome fight scene in Advent Children. User:mrfluffums
  17. Both of them serve no real purpose in their game other than fanservice, but at least they gave Tifa a personality and made her a bit more unique in the compilation. And i like the fact that she doesnt need to rely on Cloud for EVERYTHING anymore. Rakanadyo 06:29, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Hand-to-hand fighters rule! --Sencilia 06:34, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Tifa kicks butt! And talk about her physical appearance... ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 09:33, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Tifa may be a Japanese sex doll with the personality of a Twilight character, then again, Lulu married Wakka of all people. Tough call, but since Tifa was more useful in battle, I'm gonna have to go with Tifa TheRedNinja 09:56, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Aerith may be my favorite lady from VII, but Tifa is still pretty damn cool. She is the first female Monk of the series, has a pretty cool fighting style, has an awesome limit break, is cool-looking in all of her appearances, and has a good backstory and a good personality. She's friendly, warm and caring and a great person but is still really flawed with huge insecurities and worries of her own. She can take care of herself and dosen't have to act like a bitch to do so. Sorry Lulu, but I never did like you and your ugly ensemble very much. Go Tifa!--StragusLore 13:18, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  22. I used Tifa WAY more than Lulu. And lets face it, Tifa kicked ass in AC! Acrum92 14:05, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Gah!! I think my vote is going to Tifa on the basis that I liked her limit break wheras I break my hand on regular occasions trying to use Lulu's FinalFantasyAerith 14:11, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Lulu was too much of a female to be a black mage.Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx.png 14:29, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Things Tifa punches right in the face: Monsters, Cloud, the Turks, balanced gameplay, Sephiroth, realistic standards of beauty, the Uncanny Valley, and, hopefully, Lulu. Masamune
  26. This I don't even have to think about it Tifa all the way she is a great fighter plus her Limit Breaks are the best and honestly Lulu was a good character but I forgot about her most of the time and Tifa is my second Favourite Female character and come on a Female Monk no contest Kassandria 17:50, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  27. User:Firaga44
  28. Wow, this was tough. I like them both, but Tifa is a badass. Nuff said. XxRikku-chanxX 19:51, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Her musical theme is pretty. Rendered all the better on the piano.--OK'Ssuka? 23:42, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  30. She purdy Sunpanda2012 01:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  31. While i do not hate either. I still dont like Lulu's excessive use of belts, and i do like Tifa knockers...vod kanockers. D.Dark. 03:24, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Tifa can knock out a fully grown man without any magical help. Lulu only uses magic. genesisrocks
  33. "Oh, the wonders of nature! A deep valley between two lofty peaks!" Why did I bring up an Okami quote..? 尾藤 14:52, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Final Heaven!! and boobs LC 15:46, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  35. I will not vote someone who fights with dolls. Mynameissora 16:27, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Tifa is just more bad ass. And Lulu is a little too goth for me. ._. --JFHavoc 16:31, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Rinoa Leonheart 18:44, April 10, 2010 (UTC) Tifa will kick A O YEAH
  38. Despite the claims of badassness and hotness, Tifa is a legitiemately better constructed character. More important to the story and more likeable to boot. She brought great tender moments to the dark and cold plot of FFVII. I've come to realise I always include her in my party. Discordius 21:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Vohaul86 Lulu was my favourite character in FFX ("Burn!"), but I have to go with Tifa in this one. Tifa is one of the best characters ever, but Lulu is not that bad either. But Tifa wins.
  40. I've played FF7 more. And there are other reasons. Reasons that are not to be discussed... SSFF6B XiiFire.gif 02:11, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
  41. I just think Tifa is a better character than LuLu. User:Onion-knight
  42. In FFX, Yuna was a far better Black Mage than Lulu. In FFVII, Tifa may be worse of a mage than Vincent, and less of a physical powerhouse than Cloud, but she combines both sides for some real PWNage. And she can chain together all her Limit Breaks in a row with a little timing for some serious damage Uppfinnarn 06:56, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Havn't played X, and Tifa's an awesome character anyway =D Sleepy phoenix 08:05, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
  44. My vote goes to Tifa simply because she was a more developed character, being in several games, plus a movie, which had an awesome fight scene featuring her, btw. Updraft Reiza
  45. Sorry Lulu you may be from Final Fantasy X and all but I saw Tifa first and she reminds me of myself. She so much more bad ass on so many different levels. Plus VII is my fav game. I don't like emo people anyway and look at the belts, Did Square tke the time to count them? Lulu doesn't even deserve a pity vote, plus i didn't even use her in X. Also she married a loser,(a.k.a Wakka) not a winner(a.k.a Cloud) KiraArik
  46. Tifa is hot AND badass TranceKuja 13:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
  47. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I'm honestly somewhat surprised. There are a lot of haters on this wiki.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I think Tifa is stronger O.o so go Tifa! 06:16, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
  2. This is hte only one of the 2 I know. She is my favourite FF7 character, BAR NONE, and Knights of the ROund just rips opponents 13 new ones. 20:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Tifa, hands down. How many people do you know that can beat you to within an inch of your life and look good doing it? She's a kick-ass monk, and can prove it. In terms of Lulu, it's just hard to get past her personality and her outfit. Those belts, my god. Sure a martial artist in a tight ass mini-skirt isn't any less wierd, but at least it's still more practical than Lulu's outfit. Not to mention Tifa's Advent Children outfit was a kickass improvement. Tifa would also be a much better traveling companion and person to talk to. 18:12, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
  4. My favourite character from VII and doesnt need shiny swords or impressive magic, just her fists. Ergo, purest of badass gals 15:44, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Week 144: Shadow v. Yuffie[edit source]

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65 1/2 to 46
Ninjars! WINNER!

Votes for the Shadow[edit source]

  1. I dont know much about him but Yuffe is Thief! Not a ninja. Hazetar 14:18, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Because I refuse to accept the fact that Yuffie is a ninja. I don't care what she calls herself, she is nowhere near cool enough to be a ninja. She's a thief, a thief that stole a shuriken. Likeacupcake 05:12, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. FaythOfFenrir 05:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  4. He's cool, dark and mysterious. Yuffie's... well... Yuffie.Mynameissora 06:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Shadow. For having a ninja dog, being a silent badass and because he was my favorite character in FFVI besides Terra and Celes.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png07:40, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Shadow is by true definition a true ninja, he would kill without thinking or asking questions (or so they say in FF VI) also Yuffie is more of a beggar/thief nothing like a ninja. Plus Shadow has the right clothes, while Yuffie doesn't look like she is even dressed for stealth Zelros 09:11, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Yuffie? Pfff... FinalAnnihilator 11:34, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Shadow doesn't steal your materia Xaphnir 12:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Shadow is much more dangerous looking and is so cute with his dog :P Hamfruitcake 09 12:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  10. He would kill someone for a dime! Kuzlalala FFTA2-FrimeldaSprite.png 13:01, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Leogon255 13:38, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  12. ShadouTonberi 14:01, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Always wait for Shadow. Hyacynth 14:16, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Shadow's badass and mysterious. And ninjas shouldn't get motion-sickness and almost hinder your party at one point in the game. TheRedNinja 14:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  15. I'm gonna make up for the fact that I let him die on the Floating Continent (it was a mistake!). Please, oh Mr. Badass Ninja, forgive me! Moocowisi 14:58, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Shadow is awesome(seriously, with that name, how could he possibly not be awesome?), Yuffie is just plain lame. She's a Ninja about as much as Naruto is, and everyone know that no serious Ninja would be like Yuffie or Naruto. Uppfinnarn 15:08, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  17. As much as I really hated FFVI, I hate Yuffie even more. MadHatter1284 16:27, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Because I spend like 3 hours trying to find Yuffie in wutai after she stole my materia,hate that bitch.And Shadow was kinda useful in the battle with Atma Weapon in VI White Mage From Hell
  19. This guy kind of reminds me of myself... ah, good times.Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx.png 18:51, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  20. To the certain people who voted for Yuffie (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) you disappoint me </3. Faethinte audio
  21. I don't even know the guy. I'm voting for him because he is not Yuffie. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 18:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Yuffie annoys and steals from people. Shadow assasinates. Case closed. SilverCrono Cloudy Wolf.jpg 19:07, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  23. You've got to be kidding me... User:Cecil the Paladin
  24. Shadow's just one of the coolest characters in VI, which is saying something considering how many characters there are. VI is also my second favorite game. One of the main reasons I like Shadow is that he doesn't really have any loyalties to the party per se, and comes and goes throughout the game. Heck, he can even die if you do it wrong. He's a deep character who's motivations are explained if you take the time to see the dream sequences (or just go to Youtube like a slacker). -Nokareon
  25. Shadow is one of the coolest characters in the series, and he's a true ninja with a ninja dog! Nothing's cooler than that! Legend of Fantasy 20:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  26. What a horribly mismatched fight. I'd feel sorry for Yuffie if I didn't hate her so much. Silver Dragon XXVIII 20:35, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  27. ShadowSunpanda2012 22:02, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Shadow will slit your mama's throat for a nickel!SSFF6B XiiFire.gif 22:04, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Win--DarkTriforce 22:12, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Munk451 I can't stand Yuffie, enough said.
  31. Cold blooded assassin, thats why!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 23:37, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Shadow is definitely one of the best ninjas ever!Soren 4ever 01:04, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Interceptor, WIldfang, Takedown... the list goes on Johuotar 21:26, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  34. One can care enough to hang around waiting for shadow and I would every time. Theentertainer
  35. Peanutthephantom 18:30, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Until this day I never knew there were Shadow haters... screw them. User:Crims0nf0rtune
  37. Better game I guess.. LC 18:04, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Shadow is a PROPER Ninja. Not only he is a Ninja, but a Ninja Assassin. Pikmin Master 21:06, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Shadow, because he has Interceptor =D Sleepy phoenix 06:36, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  40. As awesome as I think Yuffie is (flame me all you want, i dont care) in a Ninja vs. Ninja contest, Shadow wins, no contest. Compared to him, even the more famous big-bad ninja like Scorpion are just insects beneath his feet. Rakanadyo 14:11, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Yuffie's a ninja now ? Did I miss something ? Alarielle 15:15, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Gamer2127 20:21, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Going with Shadow on the basis of how his backstory was conveyed subtly in the game. --OK'Ssuka? 20:26, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Shadow actually looks like a ninja and does not steal your materia Yuffie is annoying my vote is for Shadow Highwind 16 06:50, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Win. --Silver Mage Ω 13:52, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
  46. LMAO! Yuffie?! Ninja?!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! SquallisbetterthanCloud 20:16, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
  47. Because Yuffie is as much of a Ninja as Naruto. And if it's about personality, the winner is the character with a deeper and more complex personality. And that is Shadow. Adelbert
  48. This is a joke, right? One of the best characters in the series, versus one of the worst? And it's CLOSE!?!? Yuffie's not even a ninja. Hell, I have a friend who spent FFVI just training Shadow. Killed off everyone else in his party and JUST USED SHADOW. Think about that. Masamune
  49. Shadow would kick her ass! Skill aside, Magicite>Materia. No78
  50. I waited for him and I would do it again. Karu
  51. Ultimecia82 15:58, April 5, 2010 (UTC)Shadow is REAL!Yuffie is not!
  52. I like you Yuffie, but I'm sick of you, FFVII. A.X.A 16:26, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
  53. Really? Are we really doing this? Find me some awesome quotes that show Yuffie is great. You can't because there are none. Yuffie was a pointless character designed to piss people off. Shadow had a dog who eats people. Need I say more? mrfluffums
  54. Shadow is MY FAVORITE Character in FF ,, he is the GREATEST i mean his theme his killer black dog his dreams ,, Genji Glove + Master Scroll = Yuffie Death and every FF Character P.S if you died without playing FFVI your life is MEANLESS BLK.MAGE.MOG 10:41, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
  55. Yuffie is alright. I got kind of annoyed when she took my materia but other than that I liked her. Unfortunately for her, Shadow is just cooler than her, he looks cooler, has a cool theme song, and has the most awesome dog for a companion in the series. So Shadow wins for me. --StragusLore 13:42, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
  56. My vote goes to Shadow.
  57. Shadow helsp the players numerous times. Yuffies steals money and all your Materia at one point. Need I go further.
  58. Lantix ff3 01:30, April 8, 2010 (UTC)Seriously....Tack star to the face, Shadow wins.
  59. Shadow could beat Yuffie anytime for various reasons TranceKuja 15:20, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Unlike most people, I actually like Yuffie. She's cute, funny, and a decent fighter. Shadow, though, is the series only true Ninja and I love the ninja and everything about them. Combine that with his personality and his fighting skills, and I just have to choose him over Yuffie. 17:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 02:33, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Yuffie is cute, but she has about as much right to be called a ninja as Naruto. Ninjas are supposed to be sneaky, not flashy. Shadow, on the other hand, is as ninja-ish as anyone could be. 16:31, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Umm... let's see. Shadow is cool and he's not annoying. Yeah, he gets my vote on this one. 04:26, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Shadow, because I'm still mad at the FFVII fandom. # 14:47, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I am voting for Shadow more out of dislike for Yuffie. That being said he was always one of my main party in VI and I thought he was pretty badass. The comment above mine said it well, I'm still mad at the FFVII Fandom. Update--As an addition to my vote, I should note my roommate is playing through the wutai event in 7, and she is GOD DAMNED IRRITATING. "LOL STOLE YOUR STUFF BYE!"-- 07:05, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
  7. All yuffie thinks about is her freakin' materia! Shadow is one of the best FF characters! he should be winning by a landslide81.193.212.156 15:55, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for the Yuffie[edit source]

  1. Shadow may have the whole proper ninja mystique, but my vote goes to the original hyper-active ninja.Noobking87 05:10, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I do like Yuffie's story in FFVII much more than Shadow's in FFVI. MMLN メーマウリアン 06:29, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I don't know who Shadow is so I'll vote for Yuffie. Also, she's so cute in CC when she cries all the time. --Sencilia 09:38, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:01, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Yufie is like the most awesome ninja ever! A.J. two 13:47, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Yuffie ran up a building. Shadow is badass (That's the fancy way of describing people here, right?), but Yuffie more so. Intercision 14:29, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Shadow used to always die on me so yuffie i vote for User:Kassandria
  8. I actually used Yuffie. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:52, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Hey where'd my mater-- YUFFIE! --JFHavoc
  10. Because I got pwnd by Yuffie and Leon in KH.Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 15:21, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Oh non, mon short est encore tombé.... (Comment est-ce que tu fais ça?) Ah, c'est simple. Tu ouvres la fermeture éclair comme cela et... KujaRhapsodos 16:08, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Well im all im it for Yuffie only because she saves my fav character from VII in Dirge and plus she is like hamster all cute and hyper! KiraArik
  13. I'm generally more of a fan of VI then VII, but Shadow never grew on me. Thus, I'll vote for the single white rose of Wutai. Swmystery 16:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Purely 'cos that picture is hot! YamiNoBahamut 17:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Whatever KujaRhapsodos said! Acrum92 17:24, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  16. BlueHighwind : "A bowl of vegetables with someone you love is better than steak with someone you hate."
  17. ..Wait... Am I voting Yuffie?! Oh, right. I actually found her useful. Shadow has a great backstory and mystique, but I didn't find him useful in battle. Magic is THE ability in FFVI, and Shadow's not a very good mage. Yuffie, on the other hand, was pretty damn useful in FFVII, working as a reliable offensive speedster. Plus, her weapon specialized on taking down enemies while underleveled, a very useful skill. That said, I did enjoy her optional scenes, especially her date scene. Really, most of her bad rep comes from Kingdom Hearts and the Compilation, where she and all other FFVII characters got pretty damn Flanderized. Including Yuffie in a lot of the scenes in FFVII adds a really odd layer since she is the group's biggest outsider (more so than even Vincent). --ClixPsi 17:34, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Both suck. But in fiction, Loud Ninja>Boring Ninja. They can be just as badass but have personality. I DARE you to deny that Bang Shishigami is a bonafide manly badass. AnonyMan
  19. I actually like Yuffie. Is there anything wrong with that? SonOfAJenovaEffNaff 18:03, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Rinoa Leonheart 18:50, March 31, 2010 (UTC) i love FF VII
  21. Yuffie can kill things with a paper crane (surprisingly easily.) Can Shadow kill things with a paper crane? No? That's what I thought. The.DreadnoughT 19:27, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Girl's like a magpie. Materia are her shiny objects (helps that they're actually rather shiny). Birdy! Okay, serious reason now. People give Yuffie a good amount of grief about her persona and personality and shit. But, like most hated FF characters, a case can be made as to why they're not so bad. Just not by me. It's still Yuffie, dudes. Then again, Shadow was the only interesting character in the FFVI manual. Still, my vote is on this side, so you all know who I went with.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 20:42, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  23. I love the way she looks. I love the way Shadow looks. I love both of them equally, but I always prefer the designs of the female characters, so that tips the vote in favour of Yuffie. Dan-Iota 21.48, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Yuffie is a good character and is hyper,like me. genesisrocks
  25. Yuffie's shurikens are large, bad-ass looking and can actually return to her hand! Can Shadow wield Shuriken like that? Yeah, didn't think so either. Cluna 06 22:50, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Yuffie's cute. Shadow's the same as every single other ninja. At the very least Yuffie stands out. And to all those who say Yuffie isn't a real ninja because she's just a thief: What do you think ninja's do? Their thieves and assassins. It's not some deep mysterious lifestyle. They don't walk on water and turn invisible. They ambush you in the woods.--Werefang[T/A] 02:08, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Gotta go with Yuffie. She's one of my favorite parts of FFVII, and she's a lot more fun than Grim Mr. "HOPE YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY GOOD GEAR SUCKERS". FFTA-job-timemageM.gifStarkMaximumFFTA-job-timemageNM.gif 03:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Better! (well, she is a girl, how can she aren't better?)
  29. I dun know who is Shadow, and Yuffie looks so pretty in Advent Children! So my vote goes to Yuffie!--TerraBranford145322 11:55, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
  30. After giving it some thought, I came to a conclusion: Shadow doesn't really do a lot, let alone practice ninjutsu. Yuffie, on the other hand, was performing large scale subterfuge when she was only 10. Granted, her techniques were unrefined, but she snuck into very dangerous areas, came out unscathed, & even managed to steal Bahamut Fury from Zack. All of that shows some skill. Shadow's backstory was interesting, but then again, so was Yuffie's. And, unlike Shadow, Yuffie doesn't run away from her past, which causes her to grow as a character. So, from where I'm sitting, Yuffie is both a better ninja & a better character. Therefore, my vote goes to her.Neo Bahamut 16:31, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  31. The stars shine so bright... like glowing materia... reach up and grab one. 尾藤 16:46, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Because I find her very underrated. Hytey 17:07, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  33. The stated immediately above, and she's funny, useful and suits us because every man loves jailbait. Even if she is "not a ninja !!!!111111", because being a ninja never made any character good. Discordius 17:51, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Like her more - Ash Crimson - 20:38, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
  35. She stole my materia!! If I vote for her I'll get it back xD FinalFanatsyAerith
  36. IDK who shadow is soooo Yuffie. Acboyz2 19:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Shadow may be cool and whatever, but Yuffie has a giant shuriken. GIANT.SHURUKEN. And, at least she gave your stuff back. Shadow never realy stood out to me. He was just there. Jamiemitsu FTW 19:45, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Shadow is not even important at all, and he's pretty useless, coolest thing about him was his dog, Yuffie is not the greatest but still better then Shadow, and people should stop voting against Yuffie just because they hate 7 NeoExdeath 22:41, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Let's see if I did this right. Vote goes to Yuffie because she's my favorite FF character. From the beginning she's taking on everyone: her father, her whole town, Shinra, and she has no allies and no loyalties. Honestly, she's completely out for herself, which I think makes for a cool character. Furthermore, when she dedicates herself to someone or something she does so with all of her life. It becomes her soul focus. Think about after VII, in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, she was dedicated to her friends and put her all into protecting them no matter what. She's just interesting, deep, and if you do her side-quests she's the strongest Ninja in the world. How badass is that? Rasenshinko 19:27, April 5, 2010 19:28 (CTS)
  40. Win. -user:wtdrmfrthwbzn
  41. Because she's cuter. HannahPanda
  42. I don't know about Shadow, but Yuffie can kick your ass ten times before you even know what's happening. Besides, I always found that her Bloodfest (or what is Doom of the Living? One of those two...) Limit was at LEAST as powerful as Omnislash. And as the previous voters have already said, she's jailbait, hot, and generally an all-around badass. Whenever I play VII and get Yuffie, she stays in my party at all times, PERIOD. She can do anything that Tifa can do, while jumping all over the place, confusing the hell out of her enemies, steal their materia (and their lunch money), AND do an amazing Spider-Man impersonation all within 0.247 seconds AND WITHOUT SETTING OFF ANY SORT OF MOTION DETECTOR or other suveillance device. Besides, Shadow's pet is a mangy mutt. Yuffie has two pets: an ancient divine water dragon (Leviathan) and an incredibly badass borderline fucked-in-the-head vampire (Vincent Valentine). Take that, you bum! King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 15:34, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Shadow was cool, but Yuffie is cute and fun, so she has my vote =3 XxRikku-chanxX 01:06, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Cute jailbait aside, allthoug she is annoying when she steals your stuff, I fell she's groving on you both storywise and characterwise through the game. I like that she stays with you all the time (not counting wutai) rather than some -.- The Rood Inverse
  45. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - For me this is a battle of two evils.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Only thing special about Shadow was Interceptor, and we know that is vulnerable to Rippler. Yuffie's wepaons and limits don't have such a weakness... (plus from waht i've read she is the best for getitng items with Morph!) 22:06, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Shadow was useless in battle, sadly. 17:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Week 143: Archadian Empire v. SOLDIER[edit source]

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46 1/2 to 41
My guess is they both look cool with swords and they both are pseudo-military organizations. I imagine size is one side of the equation, while its pretty clear one side has a bit of a technological advantage. WINNER!
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Votes for the Archadia[edit source]

  1. Obviously. 裁判官 バルフレア FFTA judgecid.gif 22:15, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  2. SOLDIER is cheating by using Jenova Cells, and for that reason the Archadian Judges doesn't die of mutation, go berserk and destroy half the planet or kill party members. Cheating never pays, only pays back... Unless it's Pokemon. Uppfinnarn 16:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  3. One is an entire army, the other is simply one force. Good enough reason?--Otherarrow 22:17, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  4. For the first time, I shall be voting for the side my heart tells me to vote for, and not my brain. So, no reason this time! KujaRhapsodos 22:21, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Gamer2127 22:32, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  6. lulz - Henryacores^ 22:34, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Hatred is wot drives them. Faethinte audio 22:51, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  8. They're cooler. Moocowisi 23:01, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Fae convinced me. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:30, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I'm a VII die-hard fan. Why am I voting for the Empire? They don't rely on genetically modified members to fight. They simply pwn through their own might. Not to mention, I'm rather partial to Ivalice. Noobking87 22:49, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Give the DNC over to Drake. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:09, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Hard choice. No Archadian can match up against SOLDIER 1st Class, but the Judge Magisters and lesser Judges can give the best of SOLDIER a run for their money. Then you have an army of roughly a million ready to handle the roughly hundred SOLDIER 2nd and 3rd Classes. Numbers do matter. Zack's fall proves that throwing enough numbers CAN work.--ClixPsi 04:14, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Et in Archadia ego.
  14.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png Even though the Kuja v Sephiroth fight was better, I hate FFVII and everything it stands for. Besides, I actually like the Judges. They were very played out and very developed. 04:27, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Soldier wasn't really even cool until Crisis Core. In VII they're nothing more than weakling random battles to run over. That against the single most powerful enemy force in the entire XII game. Also, come on, this is like the third fight in a row someone's deleted my vote. I'm starting to think it's not on accident. Nokareon
  16. Yeah, they're both imperialist organizations, but Archades is basically Rome with airships. SOLDIER is the goonsquad for a corporation that uses people's souls to power toasters. Rome > PG&E. Hyacynth 05:02, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Archadia sounds cooler than SOLDIER. All caps. Srsly. LC 05:24, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  18. I am voting for Archadia. That's enough. Why? Because I'm not really like Soldier of course.
  19. Voting here cause of Gabranth CheeseNinja 09:57, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  20. SOLDIER do have power with their whole "IM INFUSED WITH MAKO LOL." thing, but let's not forget Nethicite of the Manufactured variety. Since that levels the playing field my money's on the big bad tanks. Fadigre Delmonty 10:16, March 23 2010 (UTC)
  21. You're serioulsy comparing an Empire to a small army of freaks? Not the best of fights, dudes.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 14:11, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Hmm, I like them both, so thats the popularity vote out of the question. Overall, in my opinion, while SOLDIER has a very small number of very powerful individuals, the Archadian armed forces outnumbers them massively on the ground, and has a freakin' airship navy which probably outnumbers SOLDIER just in terms of the number of ships. Plus, Archadia has Vayne's military genius, the soopahweapon that is the Sky Fortress Bahamut, and the Judges, who, although might not be as good as SOLDIER, can at least stand up to the majority of them fairly well. If it was the whole Shinra against Archadia, with their own airships, the Sister Ray, and Rufus' leadership, it might be a different story, but as it stands? No way. The Man In The Black Cape 14:44, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  23. BlueHighwind : This fight doesn't really make sense. The empire of one game vs. the army of an empire of another game? They aren't exactly equal. Anyway, Judges look cooler.
  24. Like them more - Ash Crimson - Ash Crimson 17:11, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Judges are just awesome. White Mage From Hell
  26. 04:36, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Archadia! Awesome powerful guys who aren't emo. Also the Archadian empire owns one of the most powerful superweapon in the FF series.DeathseekerXIII04:50, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  28. As great as Crisis Core was with Zack, Angeal and Genesis, Archadian armors look awesome and they have more airships than SOLDIER. Also, their more realistic feeling is more refreshing than all the animeish super SOLDIERs. User:ZaFlareStar 16:37, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Leogon255 20:50, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Kuzlalala 07:38, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Honestly, the Empire have: Captain America esque leaders, a God, a Scientist with a BIG gun, the child of Hulk and Emperor Palpatine, a Pimp 13 years old, a moving mountain, and Darth Vader. And if you want to compare it to Star Wars more, they also have the result of Obi Wan replacing Darth Vader. Oh, and gotta dig the armours. Leon5550 10:51, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Archadian Empire is ftw, aswell as FFXII. And they have sexy armor. Come on. II Hecatoncheir
  33. Because they have a better name. --Silver Mage Ω 15:03, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Two simple reasons. 1: Trial Mode Floor 100. 2: XII is bar far the better game. YamiNoBahamut 22:06, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  35. While i have never played XII (tough i really should start tracking down that thing) or even VII (the graphics...*shrugs*) i got to give my vote too "these" guys simply due to MUCH cooler armor. D.Dark. 21:34, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
  36. The Judges are just way more awesome. Intercision 23:17, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
  37. They have pretty lame Armor designs and most of them have a similar silly feathered coif going on, but they aren't mostly a squad of glorified goons and mooks on Magic 'roids. Plus they have some pretty decent characters. The coolest person SOLDIER pooped out got like 5 minutes of screentime and should have just left it at that. AnonyMan
  38. VII is not a something that I'd defend right now. And I love XII, so it balances out. Oglop Master
  39. They look far much better. XII's Judge Magisters are the coolest! LakeMacarena 06:44, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
  40. I have two reasons to vote for the Judge. First, Oh really they looks so cool! and I liked their design too, I just want one of these armor 8d . The second reason for me to vote for the judge is because of that stupid pic of the most horrible character in FF ever, Angeal!!! OMG I can't stand him!! If they add Zack pic, maybe I'd think to vote for the soldier, I said MAYBE Xd Regoli16:58, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
  41. They wear armor. They actually have a chance of surviving a sword strike BlaqheartGIG 17:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Well this is a weird match, for sure. The Empire and SOLDIER really don't have much in common, it would have made more sense if it was something like PSICOM vs SOLDIER or SeeD vs SOLDIER, but either way Archadia wins this. --wee187 17:16, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Judges are Awesome!! Destriker73 09:07, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
  44. I'd have to go with Archadia here. They're a military that represent an actual country, they're better armed, they have a clear chain of command with The Judge Magisters acting like Generals. They have Deadly Airships that dominate the skies and actually adhere to the articles of war in addressing grievances prior to invasion. Theentertainer
  45. I'm voting for the Empire for one simple reason. As much as I like SOLDIER, if it came down to a fight between the entirety of the Empire and all of SOLDIER I think air superiority and weight of numbers combined with the power of nethicite would probably swing the fight in Archadia's favour. Chaos40

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Hate FFVII. Love FFXII. So yeah. 14:02, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  2. The Judges were awesome in XII. VII gets too much hype. 01:37, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I believe that the Archadian Empire would be able to defeat Soldier provided of course that someone with Sephiroth's power isn't allowed into the fight. That, we can all agree, would be unfair. 18:54, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  4. The Archadian Empire is more tactical with its power. Their armies are well-organized, covering their weak points while still dishing out some major damage. While SOLDIERs can be rather powerful as well (E.G. Genesis, Angeal, Sephiroth) their ranks are brutish, creating a mess in the rare occasion that many of them work together. They can be checkmated before they even get through Arcadia's pawns. 09:30, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I want to kick the FFVII fandom in the mouth. And judges are more fun. # 22:47, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for the SOLDIER[edit source]

  1. Sephiroth was in Soldier! Zack! And Angeal! Thats enough for me! Hazetar 11:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  2. An army vs. a force. But remember that each individual is infused with power and that one member of that force took on an entire army. ChaosEsperVII
  3. FaythOfFenrir 23:44, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
  4. SOLDIER means Sephiroth, and also (at various points) Genesis, Angeal, and Zack, not to mention hordes of SOLDIERs 3rd and 2nd class. Airships and Judges (even including Gabranth and the Bahamut) simply aren't going to stop that kind of force. Especially not if they call in artillery support. The.DreadnoughT 00:06, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Psh, Zack makes the whole SOLDIER 1,000,000,000 times cooler. SilverCrono Cloudy Wolf.jpg 00:20, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  6. its SOLDIER do i need a reason user Dark-fenrir 5:58 march 22 2010
  7. Seriously? Zack has been shown to be able to take on an entire army by himself. Throw in Sephiroth, Genesis, Angeal, and all of the other genetically enhanced, magic-wielding super-soldiers, and Archadia will be going the way of Burmecia in no time. JechtShotMK9 03:25, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  8. One word: Sephiroth. --Sencilia 09:31, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I would choose SOLDIER over the Archadian empire because Zack was one of them! Crisis Core was such a good game with the best storyline. The Archadian Empire was sooooo annoying in the game! Having to fight them at every turn makes them irritating! This vote goes to SOLDIER!--TerraBranford145322 11:00, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Mainly because Zack and Sephiroth were in SOLDIER, and because I've played Crisis Core and not FFXII...My vote goes to SOLDIER...--Koori-san 11:21, March 23, 2010 (UTC)koori-san
  11. Pitting the entire Archadian army against Soldier is clearly an unfair contest. A truly fair fight would be the Judge Magisters (Gabranth, Bergan, Drace, Zargabaath, and Ghis) against those Soldier 1st's we know of- Zack, Genesis, Sephiroth, and Angeal. Now, granted we don't know what Zargabaath and Drace can really do, but I would still favour the Soldiers in such a contest. Therefore, my vote goes for Soldier. Swmystery 11:44, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Frigidus
  13. sorry archadia, you have cool armor and swords but are pathetic. SOLDIER members are amazing, They can block bullets for goodness sake! Also Zack took on the entire shinra army and put up a good fight. SOLDIER RULES!!!! genesirocks
  14. Rinoa Leonheart 19:04, March 23, 2010 (UTC) O YEAH i love zack and the soldiers:)
  15. SOLDIER has some of the greatest fighter of the world in it, Sephiroth, Genesis, Angeal, Zack (kind of Cloud I suppose, similar treatment in the end). These soldiers are the peak of all fighters, the best in their respective fields, and could take on entire units perhaps on their own. The Arcadian Empire looks cool, but even with some Judges holding magacite and the like I reckon SOLDIER could have them, Arcadia are still men after all, but SOLDIER is something more.LUNAwolf 19:27, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  16. SOLDIER has some way cooler members in it.Sunpanda2012 21:06, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  17. They're losing & there is absolutely nothing that implies it was a small fighting force. Also, Lazard is easily craftier than Vayne, & with better motivations, too.Neo Bahamut 00:33, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  18. SOLDIER: superhuman fighters. Archadian Empire: normal human beings that would go down from a paper cut. Need I say more? user xxLunaTerraxx 11:57pm 23 March 2010
  19. Let's face it. Supersoldiers created from injection with an alien species' DNA combined with lifeforce from the planet itself? Yeah, gotta go SOLDIER on this one. Not to mention that the heavily-armoured trained soldiers of the Galbadian army can get killed by a no name street rat with a knife. Lord Knight Xiron 05:45, March 24, 2010 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  20. Sephiroth, Genesis & Angeal FTW. Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX.png 23:55, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  21. I had to think pretty hard on this one, now I weighed the options, now one is numbers and the other is skill, so basically this is a quality over quantity thing. From what I have seen, seeing how I played both final fantasy 7 and 12, I would have to say SOLDIER wins only due to the fact they have sephiroth and his many forms of doom, if SOLDIER didn't then I would be voting for the army, so for me quality beats quantity, at least this time. lostmyth
  22. I think that Judges are cool (especially Gabranth) but Soldiers have more charisma and are more interesting (just think at Cloud, Zack, and Sephiroth!). Bogota X
  23. Soldier, without doubts! Dreamer V
  24. Well that was a pretty easy choice.Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx.png 8:42, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Sephiroth Bruntie2 16:01, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
  26. That judge doesn't know a thing about honor. >.> --JFHavoc
  27. SOLDIER has Sephiroth and Zack. The Archadian Empire is just gay and easy to kill....
  28. SOLDIER has some very hot guys in it like Zack and Genesis ^_^ FinalFantasyAerith
  29. SOLDIER is full of individuals who have massive impacts on the world around them. The Archadian Empire just can't top that. SonOfAJenova 14:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Mynameissora 15:18, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Dreams and honor. MGuard 22:51, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  32. What MGaurd said. Fear the leading man 20:37, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Soldiers would dominate over Archadians!Acboyz2 01:31, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
  34. SOLDIER is much cooler even if they are basically ineffectual.Tetra Flare 03:37, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
  35. User:Clvabl the fight is unfair i should be Archadian Empire vs Shinra or SOLDIER vs Judges.
  36. User:Kassandria I vote SOLDIERS come on that have ZACK FAIR who is bloody class plus final fantasy 7 rules 12 sucked only final fantasy that I hated so go SOLDIERS!!!.
  37. Yzz 23:47, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
  38. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. In all the final fantasy's i have played the worst one was XII and i have played all of them except VIII, III and IX (I do not count XI as one) and the best one I played was VII SOLDIER is so much more epic than the Arcadian army the biggest reason I hate VII is that vann is gay and Zack is so epic and zack took down a whole army by himself so yeah SOLDIER wins no contest-- 02:02, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Shouldn't this be Archadia vs Shinra Army? 17:31, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
  3. SOLDIER would win, it would be over kill thanks to the 1st class SOLDIER's xD I can see it before me, the fall of an army from FFXII thanks to like three people from SOLDIER that only sees them like anoying little bugs x3 GO SOLDIER! :D the other SOLDIER's could join the fight to get some exp # 09:28, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  4. SOLDIER, cuz Zack can take down thousands of soldiers! Archadian soldiers can only take down a few before getting killed. But one SOLDIER can kill many! 12:05, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Hmmm, Mako enhanced superbeings versus a bunch of guys in armor. I have to go with SOLDIER in this.-- 19:35, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Is this a fight to win or a fight on principles? At the end of the day SOLDIER are super soldiers, it took hundreds of Shinra troops with Machine guns to take out Zack and even then they barely got away with it. Good luck surviving Sky Fortress Bahamut with Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis coming at you-- 12:58, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Week 142: Lightning vs Terra[edit source]

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54 to 51.5
The first lady of Final Fantasy versus the challenger to her crown. With Final Fantasy XIII freshly released, Lightning is going to make quite the impact in the days to come, but enough of an impact to take on Terra's fans? TIE!
54 to 51.5

Votes for Lightning[edit source]

  1. Lightning is everything a female protaganist should be: Iron-willed, determined, strong, and most importantly, not falling over every guy she sees. Also important: She doesn't care to know what love is. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:42, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I want to like this girl so much, she intrigues me, she's just about the most iconic protaganist square have made (for all intents and purposes) and she is much more powerful and determined than any of her predecessors Hamfruitcake 09 11:30, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I like very much her. Is determinated, has a strong personality, and is sooo beautyful. In conclusion, what better? ; ) .:Vaati:. 11:54, March 11, 2010 (GMT)
  4. IMO it's too soon to give Lightning into the fight, because very few people have finnished FFXIII and got deep into the story, so they can fully judge her character... But I am one of the few people who did not enjoyed FFVI a lot, and Lightning has something in her, what I do like about real life women, so she is definately getting my vote over Terra MMLN メーマウリアン 12:18, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Never played VI so Lightning has to get my vote. JasarDaConqueror 12:46, March 11, 2010
  6. Honestly, I haven't played either game. But I have played Dissidia and I think that Terra is just a bit to soft, even if she is a mage. Therefore, the insane, non-caring character that seems cold gets my vote. Updraft Reiza
  7. What happens if you took kick-ass Squal and made him female? You'd get Lightning. Even their names are weather reference. And hey, isn't that another Gunblade-style weapon? If half the videos I've seen are true, she can kick-arse without going totally berserk and without no fancy genetics thing messin' with her. For once, I'm voting on someone I barely know. Noobking87
  8. Rinoa Leonheart 16:56, March 11, 2010 (UTC) O YEAH
  9. Lightning is infinitely more awesome than Terra. And gunblades PWN magic ^^ ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png20:04, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Lightning is currently being beat in this unfair fight, so I will give my vote to her. Legend of Fantasy 20:47, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  11. This is actually requiring thought; in the end, I settled this by remembering that Lightning happens to be my favorite element. Although neither of these two have anything on Ritz. Except training, and green hair. The.DreadnoughT 21:11, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Err, I may accidentally spoil this but, spoiler*(one way to get revenge on your brother-in-law to be, give a distressed child a knife!) Mog&Boko 21:24 MArch 11, 2010
  13. Oh, are a weak female protagonist. You are every female gender role put into the lead character in an attempt to pass it off as "progressive" which, sadly, worked like a charm. There are multiple female characters in the series that make better leads than you. Aerith, Yuna, Agrias, even one in your own game: Celes. And that is by no means a comprehensive list. As much shit as Cloud, Squall, & other characters get for being "moody" or "emo," you are a thousand times worse. "What is love"? Seriously? You just strike me as a bad Mary Sue, & while you do get a bit better towards the end & I know next to nothing about Lightning, I doubt she can be any worse.Neo Bahamut 22:17, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  14. I admit that I've not played FFVI in a few years, but for me Lightning is a much more interesting protagonist. Terra was a good character but she always seemed a rather weak lead to me - Lightning carries the story much better and I think she's actually a lot more likeable than Cloud, who she does bare obvious similarities to.--BADavid 22:44, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Goo Rayder 23:25, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Yeah no.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 23:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Sorry Terra, I like ya a lot, really I do, but as soon as I saw Lightning singlehandedly kick the asses of Sanctum soldiers at Lake Bresha, just after saying "Nice gun",(Spoiler?) she got my vote. TheRedNinja 02:28, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Okay, I like VI over XIII but I always preferred Celes to Terra. Also Lightning punches people in the face a lot. Hyacynth 02:38, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Lightning. Kicks. Major. Ass. 'Nuff said. Cluna 06 05:50, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Finall they have real guns in ff. Lghtning has the coolest weapon since genesis's sword. genesisrocks
  21. Truly, I never cared for Terra. Celes was the real lady power-house in that game. And Lightning looks like a bad-ass.CodeNameRedXIII 17:15, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Dissidia ruined Terra's reputation. 尾藤 23:51, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Lightning isa great part of XIII's ensemble, I think. --Gamer2127 05:15, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Ashe beats Lightning, but Lightning beats Terra. --wee187 06:21, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Anything is better than Terra - Ash Crimson - 08:42, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  26. While I do like Terra, she's not much of main character. Lightning has everything the male leads have, but she's female! SonOfAJenova 09:37, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  27. I love Terra but I still prefer Lightning much more Regoli 13:39, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  28. BlueHighwind : "Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thine eyes are as doves."
  29. Balthierfan 21:59, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  30. As much as I like Terra, I have to go with Lightning. Mishaxshia 15:24, March 13 (UTC)
  31. Please be a draw, Please be a Draw! --Gerdat14 00:21, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Blykus 06:50, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Lightning gets my vote. sorry terra but i think lightning's cooler >.< Firaga44 12:01, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Much love for Lightning! Andrea 12:23, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  35. I do love Terra. A lot. But Lightning is amazing. I have't found anything about XIII that I haven't loved more than anything I've loved before from this series. Lightning knows what she wants, and not only does she know how to get it, but she knows how to get it done efficiently. She learns to open up more during the story, and she learns to accept her sisters relationship. My vote goes to this queen, who can be anything she wants to be. A summoner, a black mage, a white mage, or even simply support for her teammates. Dan-Iota 14:56, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  36. I love both of them, hence I want a draw and since Lightning has less votes right now I voting her. Sorry, Terra. YamiNoBahamut 15:34, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Voting for Lightning "ONLY" because she's Lightning, or maybe, Light-san? Gunblade and Odin are also good reasons. Please accept my apologize, Miss Terra. A.X.A 17:01, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Lightning. Terra's cool too, a very hard choice. Kurokikaze 19:53, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  39. I like Lightning a lot more than I ever did Tina at this point. I mean, Tina is alright, but... Lightning has just what a female protagonist needs, the strength and iron will that is normally reserved for a male protagonist. Liquid-Neptune #Liquid-Neptune 22:18, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  40. I love Lightning and i am still waiting to get the game!!! KiraArik
  41. She has such a badass weapon, a badass Eidolon, a badass personality, and she is hot.Redeemer & Destroyer 17:38, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
  42. She's named after the best Black Magic spell, and has a real personality.Bruntie2 19:21, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Having played more of XIII now I'm gonna have to vote for Lightning. A decent portion of my reasoning is this: The closest job class to Lightning based on her stats and major roles is the Mystic Knight, and everyone knows that the Mystic Knight is the best class in the series. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:42, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Lightning>Terra in every way, FFXIII>FFVI, stronger, better character development, better story, much better personality and terra is a weakling.KaiserPaladin 02:07, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
  45. For the sole fact she punches everybody when they piss her off 15px-358_icon.png 死の 15px-358_icon.png02:25, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
  46. I love Lightning, plain and simple. Terra is by no means a bad character, of course, but my vote goes to Light between the two. Oerba
  47. of course my vote goes to lightning or claire farron (her real name) she has everything a protagonist character needs she is tough a real soldier very beautifull and her personality just rocks . she has an excellent gun blade she can cast magic fight bare handed she has also a kind heart where everyone can see it especialy after training Hope where she acts like his sister Zodiac 94
  48. She is not a female version of cloud, as clearly stated by the developers. She is also not a meanie or a b*tch, or whatever you haters want to call her. I'm sorry if you're voting for Terra because you weren't able to play ff13 and you wouldn't be able to get to know her. She cares for her sister, her comrades and their future. Terra is a great character too but Lightning gets my vote. Fonzyboi 23:18, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
  49. Lightning is awesome! I used to love Terra but as soon as I played XIII I instantly liked Light. She is IMO the best female protagonist to date. Soren 4ever 01:50, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
  50. Hmm...This is a hard one, in my opinion. I honestly love both protagonists, but I think I'll have to go with Lightning. Why? Because she's stronger, and...has a gunblade? Well, they both have things the other doesn't, but like I said, I'm voting for Lightning. Sorry, Terra...<3 Hytey 13:54, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
  51. hard choice, but Lightning gets my voteSunpanda2012 15:18, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Hmmm... Seeing as I'm playing XIII right now, I'll go with Lightning Destriker73 20:05, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
  53. Because she's hot as fucking hell and I love a girl that can kick my ass. Terra just... sucks. ---- TenzaZangetsu This is our year... March 17 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Lightning, she's not too clean and polished in terms of personalitry, as Terra is, a quality i respect. IMO, Terra is too much of a nice-clean protagonist. 00:04, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 17:48, March 17, 2010 (UTC) Lightning, possibly the next Cloud (oh imagine the children they could create!!)>

Votes for Terra[edit source]

  1. (Terra = ♥) The Cheez TALK 05:14, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I just can't go against Terra, even if I love Lightning as well. Oerba Yun Fang's Husband 05:38, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Terra gets my vote because she wasn't mean and only available on a console that I currently can't afford! xD JohnnyC 05:44, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Female Cloud? Srsly. Vanity 06:04, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  5. She is not a jerk. Even though Claire is a better name, I vote for Terra. FaythOfFenrir 06:08, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I have to go with Terra. Sorry Lightning.--ClixPsi 06:13, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  7. She's half Esper! She can instantly change into a sexy naked super powerful esper that flies. Definitely wins this fight. CardboardBoxMan 06:23, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Have to go with Terra, The original "almost" main female character. I have to pick Amano over Nomura when it comes to characters.Tetra Flare 06:25, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I haven't played FFXIII yet, so I have to go with Terra. For now at least... SquallisbetterthanCloud 10:10, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  10. She loves Moogles, she's one of few people that make green hair look good and even if her hair ain green it still looks good. 'Nuff said! --Sencilia 11:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  11. I agree with votes 7 and 12. Pikmin Master 14:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Lighting is the female version of the female protagonist Cloud? Lol, Terra pwns. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 16:35, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Lol what a vote, female cloud? Seriously? Johuotar 16:40, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  14. It's Terra. I think she is just lovely but anyone who looks at my page can tell that. I hope the fight stays up.--StragusLore 19:31, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  15. So according to the history I never made my vote yesterday... I thought someone had just deleted it. Anyway, I don't want to write my paragraph again, so in sum, I haven't gotten deep enough in XIII for Lightning to dethrone Terra, my favorite character from my second favorite FF. -Nokareon
  16. OMG this is a hard one! What the fuck am I saying, this is not hard, it Terra I must vote for my lovely flower and Terra was the FIRST female protagonist. Plus she different the original Cloud, this female Cloud is no much for her.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 21:37, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  17. FF74EVA! 21:58, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Leogon255 23:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  19. My favorite Humbaba rapist <3 - Henryacores^ 23:14, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Surprised? Who made it into Dissidia? NOT Lightning SSFF6B 02:31, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Terra is such a sweet heart. I haven't gotten to play XIII yet so I don't know much of Lightning. But she seems kinda hardcore and I prefer a girl that's sweet AND can kick an ass or two. :) I ♥ Terra! --Kirby Phelps (PK) 05:32, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  22. So, yeah. Terra can learn Ultima... naturally. As a fan of mages in general, I cannot overlook this. Plus, it's Terra. - File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori (T / C) - 07:43, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Terra's more to a female than Lightning, and she's still the first female protagonist in the FF franchise. Kuzlalala 08:18, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  24. I like Terra better than Lightning because I have never really played Final Fantasy XIII and Terra was awesome in Dissidia Final Fantasy. She has the best characterisitics to be a main character of a story.User talk:TerraBranford145322
  25. I've never played FFXIII(I don't have a PS3), but i loved FFVI! Lightning can't transform into a Pink Godess, but Terra can! And Terra can summon Odin just as well as Lightning can Uppfinnarn 13:40, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  26. I love Terra D: Karu
  27. Terra is the first and always will be the bearer of the crown as a FF Goddess, at least in my humble opinion. ThaneThamasa 16:22, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Oh dear, this fight was very, very hard. Since I haven't played XIII (And won't, until it costs below 200$, like I did with my PS and PS2), I had to judge my vote on the things I did knew about them. So the tiny bits of story I've read here for Lightning vs me finishing VI, their character themes, their looks and their abilities. Lightning's Theme is amazing, but it can't compare to Terra's Theme. Lightning is described as cold character, which doesn't sound promising. Still, Terra could get annoying in the World of Balance. Now, Terra was my best character in VI, and Lightning is apparently the strongest character in XIII. Finally, it's a tie between looks. Dissidia Terra (Alt. outfit, GREEN HAIR, SQUARE!) and Lightning both look spectacular. Intercision 18:14, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  29. This was too easy to decide, why vote for lightning? hardly anyone has finished 13, and terra is pure awesomneness =) NeoExdeath 05:13, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Lightning is rough and mean, Terra is cute and actually cares about others! Terra FTW! The Last Monk 9:19, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Hrmm... Gunblade-Wielding, Cold-Hearted Beast vs. Magitek Armor-Frying, Half-Esper, Green-Haired, uh, person. There's only one answer- "Tri-Disaster!" {Lightning takes 9999 damage. Lightning gets fried. Ehehehehe.} The Dark Lord
  33. I haven't played either game they are in yet so I can't say, but the only one I'll be able to play is VI so Terra just because she isn't on a too expensive system. I'd probably end up liking her more anyway.--Random!to a point! 17:46, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  34. As strong as Lightning is, Terra's cooler than a "female" Cloud. Though Lightning doesn't look like the female Cloud I remember. :3 Adelbert
  35. Terra is awesome. Even the name Terra beats Lightning. And she comes from FFVI, which is awesome (Can't say for XIII yet; havn't played it yet) Sleepy phoenix 04:51, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  36. ApatheticAngel 5:02, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
  37. I like Terra more than Clou... Lightning Onionknight23
  38. One Cloud is enough in the FF world, thank you. I love Terra Mynameissora 15:54, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  39. She is a half esper,need to say more? White Mage From Hell
  40. Terra's classier Peanutthephantom 20:49, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Sorry, Lightning. Your game may be flashy and pretty but not a lot of substance. Terra's just awesome. Mizuno Mahou 03:27, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Only one person beats Terra. And Lightning ain't Celes. RowdyCMoore
  43. uh i just want to go for the original, although i forsee a tie in the future.#Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx.png
  44. Lightning's a badass but Terra is 1/2 yeah Terra! WhiteOnmyoji 04:45, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Terra is quite awesome. Its not like anyone made me vote for her. TurkBoy 17:48, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Terra gets my vote. I love mysterious, enigmatic, and multifaceted characters and I'm just not sure if Lightning is that kind of character. And meanwhile, I know Terra is. With Lightning almost all I see is a strong and independent female lead. And while that's a great thing, no real person can be completely strong and independent 100% of the time. This is why I love Terra so much. Terra is also a strong, persevering, and independent female lead, but at the same time a lot of her character is focused on tragedy, self-discovery, and the loss of one's self. It's because of this that I'm choosing Terra. -smashbrutha-
  47. Terra can't be reached by such a... I don't know how to describe her... --Ishramit 21:33, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
  48. Bartz235: How is Terra even losing? Like FFXIII Lightning is all flash no substance, can't even compare to Terra.
  49. Terra all the way! Simply because FFVI was the greatest game ever! Breezer226
  50. A shallow vote: I think Lightning's new render is inferior to her old one*(Really. She looks stoned.). — YuanSalve!Acta 23:05, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Terra's way nicer, cuter and better than "a female version of Cloud" 11:32, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
  2. 16:01, March 14, 2010 (UTC)Terra gets my vote any day, because she can kick serious ass in both her human and Esper forms. Can Lightning pound any one of the ten Warriors of Chaos? No, she wouldn't even stand a chance against that so-called Cloud of Darkness.
  3. Green haired girl rules! 17:13, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Okay TA, I changed it, you can come and change it yourself now! I hast perform the ritual to summon thee, now thee must appear! I left the last fight untallied because if experience has taught me anything other than the above, it’s that I can’t tally the fights properly. ^_^ Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:54, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Smooth, Drake. Very smooth. I suppose that's one way to get things done around here. The Cheez TALK 05:15, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lightning looks like the illegitimate offspring of some hideous pink-haired creature and Order Sol from the Guilty Gear series, and she's a total bitch. Terra is quite simply awesome. She has green hair (which is infinitely cooler than pink hair) and is so much cuter! FFVI also happens to be my favorite game of the series. The Cheez TALK 05:42, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Flame war, commence! - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:44, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I love your logic, Drake. xD JohnnyC 05:45, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I really can't tally the fights properly, I'm not sure how TA does it but we always get very different results, so obviously I'm not doing it right. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:52, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
The thing is, he is right. TA has some strange someoneelsechangedtheDNC sense. FaythOfFenrir 06:06, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

This will be a very one-sided fight. Many people don't know anything about Lightning or haven't played ger game at all, while Terra has a decade and a half of fandom. I think it is poorly thought. Discordius 15:34, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Dischordius. This is a blatantly insidious scheme to undermine Lightning by casting her in the shadow of another female heroine who is already well-known and loved. Employing these types of rash derogatory comparisons before Lightning has a chance to become acquainted with the Final Fantasy fanbase is unbecoming and should not be endorsed by a prominent facet of this wiki. </FFXIII Defense Mode> <3 Seriously, though this is premature. 8bit 16:41, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Turns out it isn't being one-sided after all. I know it's just because of my comment and Discordius 04:54, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's games like Final Fantasy XIII that make me wish Nintendo would do more than the Crystal Chronicles series... Now I'm gonna have to get a 360 or a PS3...Noobking87

Drake!, you monster! How many more times will Montblanc be screwed out of another chance? >_< Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 16:41, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Fuck Montblanc, Genesis vs. Kuja! But on a more serious note, I agree that this fight is premature. It should have been saved until more people played FFXIII. However, I am very interested in how this fight is going to go, not in the least because it gives me a chance to vent on this "first female lead" crap. 20:52, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Screw Genesis vs Kuja, Kuja vs Sephiroth! Or we could do Kefka vs Sephiroth and watch the wiki implode and explode simultaneously in the resulting fight. I'm not voting in this one since I have only played about an hour of XIII, although, I already do like Lightning. Silver Dragon XXVIII 21:05, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Silver Dragon, if we have Kefka versus Sephiroth, the world would cease to exist as its impossible to contain that level of awesome in one DNC match. But I would also like to see Kuja versus Sephiroth. A chance for me to show my hatred for Sephiroth. Oerba Yun Fang's Husband 21:32, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Kefka vs. Sephiroth was already done. I think Kuja vs. Sephiroth was too, but don't quote me on that. While I would be interested in another KvS, to see how peoples' opinions fluctuate, Genesis, being new to the DNC & very similar to Kuja, makes GvK more interesting by far. On an unrelated note, to whoever erased my vote: Shame on you.Neo Bahamut 22:17, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Kefka vs. Sephiroth has been done. It was on a Bad Fight Week. Kuja vs Sephiroth has been queued longer than I've been a registered user. As for Kuja Vs Genesis, the suspense is killing me. I want to see that fight. Oerba Yun Fangs Husband22:26, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Gen vs Kuja would be incredibly lop-sided, I know of very few people who actually like Genesis, while Kuja's following is fair. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:47, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yup, Kuja would win. And Kuja vs Sephiroth HASN'T been done yet (it's in the queued list of the nomination page). And THAT one wouldn't be lopsided, I think... TA, please? KujaRhapsodos 23:06, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
I showed some reasoning below as to why I think it won't be as lop-sided as everyone thinks. As far as Kuja vs. Sephiroth is concerned, I have my doubts that it wouldn't be lopsided in Sephiroth's favor, but either way, I just don't really like the fight. The 2 characters don't have a lot in common & they wouldn't act as foils for each other if they were in the same game, so I don't see too much reason to compare them.Neo Bahamut 23:09, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

So it's an unfair fight because FF13 just came out, and yet the fight was among the most supported on the nomination page last guys need to make up your minds. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:00, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I still think its a good fight. Very well supported. Lightning so far is one of my favorite FF girls, and so is Terra. To those complaining, stuff it and just vote. If you don't like the fight, keep it in the peanut gallery. TheBlueDragoon 21:05, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
I did not vote or even comment on that fight in the nomination page. I just feel that it won't be particularly informed yet. As for Genesis & Kuja, I've seen a fair bit of support in general for Genesis throughout the Wiki. In a poll I made comparing the 3 Jenova Project creations merely on the grounds of favoritism, Angeal has 8 votes, Genesis has 20, & Sephiroth has 34. I feel that's statistically significant. Kuja is one of the series' more popular villains, & so I feel that this comparison would be interesting to see.Neo Bahamut 23:05, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

A reminder to voters - no spoilers plz, the name thing is a minor one but nothing major in regards to FF13's plot. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry. Still, I prefer Hope to Ms. Farron. He's a born spellcaster, and I admire that. Mog&Boko 21:32 March 11, 2010

Okay Neo Bahamut, I'm not going to cause another flame war on the DNC, but I'm giving you this. *show him the middle finger and leaves the room.*  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:23, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know a lot of people like Terra. I don't really "hate" her, either. As I said, she becomes more likeable in the World of Ruin, & even before that, she's pretty likeable when she's not doing her annoying "I'm so confused, someone sort things out for me" thing. But the fandom she gets for being--I feel--simply an "okay" character really salts my ass. Honestly, it extends to the entire cast. Fans are always saying they're the best characters in the series, so developed, whatever, but I don't see it. It's really a matter of taste, I guess.Neo Bahamut 22:40, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
I see, so you must be me like me when it comes to Zidane.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:45, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
I only know about Zidane from Dissidia.Neo Bahamut 23:05, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Don't even get me started on the Zidane thing again ZEROX... TheBlueDragoon 01:35, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
You could always post it in my Talk Page, not that I'm desperate, or anything. Also, to "Lightning needs to stop whining"...LOL.Neo Bahamut 02:28, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

I feel as though this vote wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but I'll comment on it anyway: Lightning didn't make it into Dissidia basically because they didn't want to threaten her awesomeness. I'm not even kidding. "We didn't want to give players preconceived notions as to what her abilities would be." As for Terra, Dissidia made her abilities much more awesome than in the original. Kudos to it for that, among many other things, but I still think I'd have rather seen Celes.Neo Bahamut 02:36, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

I refuse to let this go on without becoming something shallow & immature! Translation: I'm wondering whom people prefer appearance-wise.Neo Bahamut 05:43, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

As I have not yet played FFXIII, I cannot vote properly in this one, so I abstain. I suggest everyone else in my boat do the same. 12:23, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

There's no rule stating you have to play both games to vote. If there were about half of our votes in any given fight wouldn't be allowed. Doreiku Kuroofangu 17:17, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
Guys, guys! This is serious business here! The real subject we need to be arguing about is; Who won: Levianthan or Phoenix!? Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 23:58, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
It was Phoenix, he won by a landslide. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png18:10, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised how well Lightning is doing against Terra, considering the game hasn't been out even a week as of now.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png01:35, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Me too, I would have thought Terra's immense fanbase would destroy FF13's buyers. Hm. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png18:07, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
@SilverCrono, I didn't know a 5-point margin was considered a landslide. And no, the match is still undecided.Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 19:40, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
What? Phoenix had 87 votes, Leviathan had 75 (estimates). That's more than a 5 vote difference, dude. And I know that it's undecided, I never said it wasn't. I just said that Phoenix had the majority vote and as such won the fight. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png01:17, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it looks like Leviathan lost. Back on topic though, as of right now, Terra and Lightning are tied in user votes.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png18:38, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

TA never tallied the Leviathan vs Phoenix fight, I pointedly didn't tally the last fight because I really did expect him to come around by now and do it himself. Ah well, at least people seem to be enjoying this one. Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:17, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I wonder what happened to TA to be honest, Drake. He usually is just a day or so late. I particularly am enjoying this fight. So I'm not complaining, but has anyone heard from him recently? Or maybe he's just swamped with real life stuff. What do I know?  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png
I agree, and I feel as though the questions concerning TA and the running of the DNC need to be addressed, but not here in the peanut gallery. Maybe someone with a bit more gumption than I could create a separate page on the community board to address these issues, because they are both numerous and frequently brought up. But again, I don't think the peanut gallery is the most appropriate place for it. And for the record, I do think TA does a fine job with the battles when they are posted (however infrequently that may be).CodeNameRedXIII 03:11, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you. I think he does a great job with the DNC, but its too infrequent. Maybe someone else could do this. I don't think its my place to say. Now, back to editing the FFXIII enemy pages.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png 06:10, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
Thirded about his work when he's present, my concern is the infrequency. If assigned to do so "officially" I'd be happy to run the DNC myself, or co-run with TA, but "officially" since I'm not actually authorized to change it, doing so technically counts as vandalism, or so I've heard from ILHI in the past. Doreiku Kuroofangu
I've been watching the Dragon Neck Colleseum for nearly a year now on and off and for a weekly poll there has never been a period of more than two or three weeks that have involved consecutive weekly fights taking place. The quality of DNC is all great but it just appears that there has been a bit of a timing issue for while now. And something should be done about it, or at least adressed formally. Hamfruitcake 09 15:25, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
I think everyone is bringing up some good points, but let me reiterate something: I don't think the peanut gallery is the appropriate forum for this discussion. Someone needs to create a topic on the community message board. I would, but I have no idea how, or for that matter where on the board that should be posted. I think that it would be significantly more productive there than here.CodeNameRedXIII 18:36, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
There, I did it. Now we can go discuss this there, capiche? Did I spell that right?ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png19:26, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Rood Inverse Too soon!

This is turning out to be a better fight than I thought it would be. For a new character, Lightning commands a decent fanbase, it seems. Noobking87
I predicted a landslide in Terra's favor at first, but now its looking like a tie. And Lightning is currently winning in registered user votes.  TheBlueDragoon Dissicon ff10 Yun1.png20:37, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
I also thought Terra would win at first, hence why I voted for Lightning (I'm a rebel ^^). But now it seems I was the lucky contender, as this battle is in Lightning's favor. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png21:41, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Week 141: Falcon v. Blackjack[edit source]

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52 to 15

If you were an 8-bit holdover captain of an airship, and these two beauts to choose between to captain, which would you have? WINNER!
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Votes for the Falcon[edit source]

  1. Cut the Falcon some slack. I may not have the frills of the Blackjack like an unusable casino but, it's still a darn fine Airship with a nifty "round" design. (I do like BJ's color scheme better). Who cares what extra features a ship has as as long as it flies and gets to heroes to the baddies so they can lay the smackdown. AnonyMan 02:28, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Faethinte audio : No scene involving the Blackjack is as epic as the Falcon rising from Daryl's tomb while "Searching for Friends" plays in the background.
  3. Yup, the greatness of that scene is worth any vote.SquallisbetterthanCloud 10:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  4. SEARCHING FOR FRIENDS FTW! Seriously that scene of Falcon rising from the water is megaepic Johuotar 01:00, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
  5. What Fae said. Doreiku Kuroofangu 11:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Pity vote. Besides, I liked the World of Ruin better, anyway. If all of FFVI were like that, it may have been my favorite.Neo Bahamut 19:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Yeah, gotta go with Falcon. It epicly rose from the tomb and I beat Deathgaze on it. Moocowisi 19:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  8. I always like Endgame items better then early game items. KaiserPaladin 08:03, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  9. FALCON PUNCH! ...That is the Falcon I'm voting for, right? Almagest 01:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Pity vote. Not for the Falcon, but for Setzer and Daryl. Intercision 12:43, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Rinoa leonheart 17:21, February 23, 2010 (UTC) O Yeah this is COOL
  12. RIP Darill. Karu
  13. <3 "Searching for Friends" <3 - Henryacores^ 00:10, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I don'tknow why, but I just like the Falcon better.
  2. It is the better ship.
  3. FF6 Fanboy- Falcon Pwns noobs
  4. I don't know which one is better, but Falcon had less votes, so I voted here

Votes for the Blackjack[edit source]

  1. Yeah, the Blackjack rules, if not just because of the gambling. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png23:40, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
  2. The Blackjack was cooler for a multitude of reasons. The sprite looked better IMO, and so did the interior. Plus it had the little dudes inside who healed your team for free and sold you stuff. Der Falke hat keine solche Dudes. Ich liebe die Blackjack! The Cheez 23:52, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Looks like my vote goes to the Blackjack. While the Falcon was cool and all, the Blackjack was a friggin flying casino. Plus it has shopping and free healing. What more could an adventurer ask for? My only gripe about the Blackjack was that you couldn't actually gamble at any of the tables. Kind of defeated the purpose. TheBlueDragoon 00:07, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  4. This airship is one of the best with one of the best themes and the awesomest pilot.Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx.png 00:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  5. The Blackjack looks cooler! Cluna 06 01:11, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I'm going to pick this one, everybody else is.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 02:31, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  7. When you have to take a long trip to a destination, why not shop or go to the casino? P.S. this has nothing on The Strahl. Judge Balthier 02:34, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  8. BlueHighwind : Gotta go with the cool one, this is choice is easy.
  9. Yes, the choice is easy. This one doesn't teleport you outside so you can't de-equip your characters after changing parties, has free healing and a shop. Discordius 02:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  10. I like free healingSunpanda2012 02:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  11. I'm voting for the ship's amenities. --ClixPsi 02:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Dudes who sell you stuff and heal you. Blackjack rules. The Terran Storm
  13. Casino, free inn, and sweet music, what more can you ask for? 15px-358_icon.png 死の 15px-358_icon.png04:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Because Searching for Friends doesn't play while I'm piloting it. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  15. The Falcon is sooo phallic Vanity
  16. Kuzlalala 06:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Vampyro entertaiment 08:11, February 20, 2010 (UTC) I'm voting on the blackjack because maybe this way they'll forgive my debt in there.
  18. JasarDaConqueror 08:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC) Easiest choice yet.
  19. The Blackjack is awesome, Falcon isn't. Uppfinnarn 09:40, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  20. I prefer the Blackjack to the Falcon Goo Rayder 09:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  21. I like the appearance of the Blackjack better. The Falcon would have won, but "Searching for Friends" becomes the overworld theme and is thus not exclusive to the airship. Silver Dragon XXVIII 12:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Gabi131: Blakcjack is way cooler....wish we could use the casino to make more Gil lolll
  23. Blackjack has a casino on board :) C-Man93 15:32, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  24. I LOVE the Blackjack. One of the best things about FF6. Legend of Fantasy 17:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  25. The Falcon is one of the ugliest airships Square has ever designed. Xaphnir 18:12, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Agreed with Xaphnir. The Falcon is really, really ugly. Sorry, Falcon, Blackjack has got you beat. I'm disappointed that I won't be able to fly the Blackjack anymore. Mizuno Mahou 18:16, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  27. The Blackjack had a shop. And when I got the Falcon, I was very disappointed with how there was no casino for me anymore. xP JohnnyC 18:24, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  28. I miss the Blackjack's theme when the World of Balance goes poof. Searching for Friends is played as the overworld theme instead of Terra's theme anyway - wow, way to ruin the ambiance, WoR. >.> 8bit 19:12, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  29. CardboardBoxMan 05:13, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  30. The Falcon is pretty cool, but the Blackjack has more features (FREE HEALING)... I was a little dissapointed when getting the Falcon... Well that being said, when the Falcon crashed, why would anyone be on there still anyway? Sleepy phoenix 09:24, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Let's see; it has actual "Airship Music", it has a casino, it has vendors and the ability to heal, it looks cooler, and it's owned by Setzer. I do not believe this airship has a drawback. - File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori (T / C) - 12:34, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  32. It's not my favorite, but I still like the sleek look of the Blackjack over the stubby luck of the Falcon. Noobking87
  33. Hytey 16:42, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  34. FF74EVA! 19:41, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Blackjack all day
  36. First, it looks better, and second, healing and a shop. I still like the Highwind better, though: it's armed. The.DreadnoughT 21:25, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
  37. While the Falcon does get some props for having greater storyline significance, it's difficult to argue with the free healing and general comfort of the original. Swmystery 12:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Its got the most awesome name ever Kisswithatear 15:25, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
  39. This fight is like asking if you'd rather have a bow or an arrow; completely pointless. You could've at least made it between two airships from different games. Like the Falcons of IV and VI, that would have been pretty cool. Nokareon
  40. :D --JFHavoc 17:26, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
  41. BlitzingBuizel: The Blackjack is cooler and has free healing.
  42. my vote goes to good ol Blackjack. Oran_Geomancer
  43. Free healing is just awesome White Mage From Hell
  44. Honestly, I'm just voting for the Blackjack because it looks cooler. Updraft Reiza
  45. I was tempted to give Falcon a pity vote, but what's the point? You have to respect a ship that can fly through the air while acting as a casino, though I'm not a gambler myself.CodeNameRedXIII 16:35, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Gotta go with the Blackjack, one of the best looking airships in the series. Tetra Flare 08:40, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
  47. I don't like Gambling, but the Free Healing and the Item Shops make this ship more lovable. PictomancerWill 7:12 PM, Feburary 27,2010 (UTC)
  48. wooh!Slencia 16:01, March 1, 2010 (UTC) Slencia
  49. The Blackjack looks cooler and has a casino inside it, along with the guys who sell you stuff and heal your team for free. I still say there should of been SOME sort of casino games in there which one could actually play. Particularly blackjack (No, not for the pun, I happen to be pretty damn good at blackjack when playing a fair game.) Exdeath64 19:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
  50. An airship that not only looks cool, but allows you to heal and shop on it too! Off the chain.TheHighwindBishop 9:14, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
  51. WIN. --Silver Mage Ω 10:12, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Look...the Black Jack has a casino in it, which should already be enough to make it better. Then add to that the fact that it looks awesome. 03:46, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Yeaaaah, I just plain like this one better, and I don't even have any reasoning. 01:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Can we call this fight? Its been going on for a couple weeks now. Oerba Yun Fang's Husband00:28, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hm. This appears to be a landslide, if the votes from the first day are any indication. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png06:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

They're...basically the same...I can't help but being a little disappointed. Ah well, guess I should make a decision, regardless. The Blackjack was basically a flying casino which, while cool, didn't make any freakin' sense in context. The Falcon made more sense & was hinted at being a superior flying craft, but that also made it sort of a traditional airship, so it wasn't as special. Surprisingly tough call.Neo Bahamut 23:52, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree in that functionally they're pretty much the same, but they each have their differences and serve different purposes in the story. The point is, this is more of a "which do you think is cooler" kind of thing. The Cheez 00:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I suppose, but the extent to which they're the same is just ridiculous. For example, I don't understand everyone who says that the Blackjack looks cooler. They have the same model, except that the Blackjack has a duckbill on the end & an ugly scheme. Also, I haven't played in a while, but I'm not so sure you can't get healing on the Falcon.Neo Bahamut 22:20, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
I chose these two airships because ships like the Highwind are more popular. I did it as a throwback to the old school airships. The actually have storyline significance, unlike some airships (ie, Hilda Garde III) TheBlueDragoon 00:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Hey man, no objections here. I'm a huge FFVI fan, so you're preaching to the choir. It was actually kind of a tough choice for me. I love the Blackjack, but how can one not respect the Falcon? I mean, there's more of a story behind it, and you literally can't finish the game without it. I had to consider that when voting. The Cheez 00:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I love FFVI. With the impending release of FFXIII, I just thought it might be nice to do a fight involving an older game. I love the Falcon, I just like the overall design of the Blackjack more. TheBlueDragoon 01:08, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, my fight finally made it into the DNC. Thanks TA. Now to decide who to vote for. TheBlueDragoon 00:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

You know the home page still says Leviathan vs. Phoenix--DarkTriforce 02:32, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, I changed it. then Jeppo fixed the format. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 04:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

And, the Leviathan/Phoenix match is still undecided. Judge Balthier 02:36, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe TA got busy? I dunno how to change it. TheBlueDragoon 02:43, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Most lopsided fight since Gilgamesh VS Ultros. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 07:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like I suggested a landslide. TheBlueDragoon 16:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Nah. You suggested a good fight. Landslides happen. It's a fact of nature.CodeNameRedXIII 16:32, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
I thought Falcon would have supa won blackjack, but it seems that people actually liked that unusable casino. And in that gilgamesh vs ultros fight, I made the same mistake. Seems like Iäm always voting the loser, no idea why though. Johuotar 14:51, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I blame people for being overly predictable. Even I acknowledge that the Blackjack was a fairly unique idea, but we're likely gonna be stuck with at least 2 weeks of this. Need we have made it a boring landslide right off the bat & kept going with that?Neo Bahamut 02:37, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
Well, it was my idea, so I take the blame for the landslide. I thought it would be a good fight. Hopefully the fight changes soon. TheBlueDragoon 19:11, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
...To Genesis vs. Kuja.Neo Bahamut 03:14, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, let's do Genesis vs Kuja next if only for the fact that Neo may have an aneurysm if he has to request his fight in the peanut gallery one more time. ;)CodeNameRedXIII 16:32, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Damn straight. I assume all responsibility on the off-chance that the fight turns out to blow. Fortunately for me, "responsibility" just means "getting bitched at." But, seriously, I think it'll be a good one. Both Kuja & Genesis have a significant number of fans, they are similar, Genesis hasn't been in the DNC yet, & it had a decent amount of support at the outset.Neo Bahamut 20:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Here's to hoping Kuja versus GEnesis is next. Neo isn't the only one dying to see that fight. I've wanted to see it for a while too. TheBlueDragoon 17:44, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

How long has this fight been going on? I'm still very much interested as to who won the Leviathan/Phoenix battle. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 03:17, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's looking like Phoenix. Speaking of, I had no idea that Leviathan was a Keyblade in 358/2 Days.Neo Bahamut 04:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

I am not going to say anything... As much as I like Blackjack, I don't want to make Falcon lose by even wider margin. Aquamarine39 21:53, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Got an idea - I change the fight and set off TA's DNC-senses, so he comes and changes it right and proper. ^_^ Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:20, March 11, 2010 (UTC)



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