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Fight 190: Last Man Standing Round 7: Krile Mayer Baldesion v. Edward Chris von Muir[edit source]

Krile-Mayer-Baldesion.jpg
LMS Icon.png
After Gilbart.png
DEFENDING CHAMPION
KRILE Mayer Baldesion
FINAL FANTASY V
VICTOR - 25 to 22½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
EDWARD Chris von Muir
FINAL FANTASY IV
DEFEAT - 25 to 22½
After Gilgamesh's stunning victory over all of existence, we return to your regularly scheduled program. The defending champion Krile now faces off against Edward. Will Krile be able to pull off a victory against the cowardly prince, or will she fall to his spooniness? Who will be the last man standing?

Votes for Krile[edit source]

  1. Krile needs to make it all the way and become a retired champion. It will be awesome. That's really all there is to say on the matter. Jimcloud 01:15, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I love the Spoony Bard, but Krile >>>>> Edward in battle and we all know it. Cat 01:31, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 02:31, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Krile can play the harp, and use a $#!+LOAD OF OTHER WEAPONS too --Pzykosiz 10:39, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I'm sorry Spoony, but you're absolutely useless in battle. No offense, though! Miyuron 10:50, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I stand by my point of saying that through Krile's veins runs the blood of an epic badass. So Edward got useful in TAY and had a pretty epic moment, I can acknowledge that. But Krile in my eyes still deserves this one. MirrorshardSceada 12:08, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Agree with above. Awesome character born from the ultimate badass. Basically do anything Edward can do but better thanks to her magic JOB powers. Didn't NEED A sequel to become legitimately useful. And it's FFV, 'nuff said.--AnonyMan 12:38, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Edward cries and fights a sahagin. Krile cries and fights Exdeath. True story. AquaRake 18:17, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 19:21, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 19:36, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Love them both, but Krile was way more useful to me! Chimomo 22:23, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  12. hurr durr LC 05:58, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. At least Krile can avoid being a Bard.--Kierandell1409 09:27, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Real females beat pretend females. --BlueHighwind 16:38, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Swayed by Jimcloud. ScatheMote 20:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Edward had Anna (Who died 3 minutes after seeing her) and his bard abilities; Krinle had her grandpa, Galuf, (Who had a badass final fight with Exdeath, even though he didn't kill him.) and her bard abilities + anything else! The Last Blood 19:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  17. MMLN メーマウリアン 11:52, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  18. --Occuria Summoner: 13:47, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Krile is a better bard, AND she can be classes better than bards. And her white mage costume is so cute Sleepy phoenix 12:41, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
  20. I want krile to keep going in the tournament axamin 19:28, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
  21. User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 19:39, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
  22. I don't really care between them, so while I could not vote, or could flip a coin, I'll instead default to undermining the last "man" standing :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 20:28, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Cyruny 14:46, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I vote for Gilgamesh203.109.169.65 09:25, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Because FFV deserves some love, and Krile was a good character. --71.181.52.136 10:32, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --200.6.183.214 17:11, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Though I like how they improved Edward in the DS remake and actually made him useful, he still doesn't hold a candle to Krile in either gameplay or story wise. Spoonyness just can't compete with badassness. 96.242.217.136 17:58, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Edward[edit source]

  1. For Anna. --ClixPsi 01:23, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Edward may have been a lousy character but at least he is a spoony bard.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 01:34, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:52, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Krile is the reason people like Selphie, Rikku, and Vanille exist. Edward may be weak, but at least he didn't spawn a terrible character archetype. Also, the spoony bard persona brought him victory last week, and it can again. --Time Master 02:33, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. ... What happened to Gilgamesh Vs Everything? :( BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:37, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Edward is actually quite the powerhouse late in The Complete Collection version of IV, especially in the final dungeon with all the dragon-type enemies.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:57, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  7. All hail the Spoony Bard! King of Noobs 03:57, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Hard choice for me. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:58, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 06:03, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Because Edward can provide medicine for the whole party. Not even as a Chemist can Krile do that. Dogurasu 10:51, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
  11. CecilAxel 04:23, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. The bard can prove his usefulness when facing the dark elf. Without him, Cecil and his party would have been slain there, and the story would end on quite the sour note. Shade.Usher 12:42, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Spoony bard just op. Haanted 13:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  14.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 22:55, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Edward, prince/wandering spoony bard, saved the party, went out with a really awesome chick who had an even more awesome dad, then went on to become King, has a mistress(yeah you know Harley's doing MORE than math), becomes a badass all while retaining the title of Spoony Bard. Yeah Edward FTW.CRK 00:14, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Krile is a jack of all trades but master of none. Edward is the master of spoony. Easy choice.Balfran 01:09, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  17. I have no idea why, but I think he can really go all the way. User:Durmer Darc 2:26, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Best bard in series hands down. Vanille is my favorite of the "peppy" girls so Edward it is.Tinks1 22:16, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  19. For the spoony bardVentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 10:15, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Spoony. Bard. 'Nuff said. EpicCarbunkl 19:24, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 17:17, April 2, 2012 (UTC) Go on, Spoony Bard !
  2. 71.194.145.11 00:43, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. @BlueHighwind, yeah if that were the case except Spoony is as manly as they come. There's no pretend. "Girliest" guy in FFIV is Kain by far.208.108.178.11 19:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Spoonyyyyyy!75.185.179.82 00:15, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Love you Edward! 2.101.178.130 12:29, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@Me: Looks in the Archive box: Oh. Right. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:37, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Dogurasu: The solution to your statement is called "White Mage". Saves a lot of money as well! MirrorshardSceada 14:17, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

As a secondary support healer, Edward fills the role well. - +DeadlySlashSword+
@MirrorshardSceada: So, all White Mages are capable of using Life on everybody? Or Esuna on everybody? Or restore MP to the whole party? Yes, the use of multiple items can be expensive, but rather worth it when Edward hangs back at full HP, then saves the party's collective bacon when he tosses Phoenix Downs or Remedies or Ethers or X-Potions every which way. Couple this with the Economical Ring and you have a powerful healer that can conserve White Mage MP for other important spells such as Arise and Reflect. (Also, yes, Krile can use Raise/Esuna on the party without MP or items... if she wants to waste an important ability slot on one of those abilities.)
Wow, it's dead-even right now. This is more exciting than it has a right to be. AquaRake 22:39, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
I know! It's just like Krile v. Vossler before it! Krile fights are the best! Jimcloud 23:29, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Apparently Krile is like dakka. You always need moar. Cat 23:51, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Be careful with that, or else I'll go on a rampage in the DNC noms, promoting Krile fights left and right. In fact, I'm considering it right now.... :3 Jimcloud 23:53, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Erm, careful now, that might just be a conflict of interests... ._. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:05, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 189: Gordon v. Edward Chris von Muir[edit source]

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Edward Amano art.jpg
VICTOR
Edward
17½ to 18
Continuing with the trend of characters in need of more love, this week the Knight Prince Gordon, making his first ever DNC appearance, takes on the Bard Prince Edward, who makes only his second appearance. Whose bravery and courage will allow them to rise up and prevail?
VICTOR
Edward
17½ to 18

Votes for Gordon[edit source]

  1. The only time he'll be in the lead of this fight. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:43, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  2. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 07:01, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --Occuria Summoner: 07:06, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Cause i hate Edward.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 08:14, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  5. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 08:21, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Bias for FFII, even if Gordon is by far the worst party member to ever join the party. ScatheMote 16:45, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Gordon develops far more as a character than Edward ever did. Gordon overcomes the grief of his brother's death and his own cowardice, to rise up and command the rebel forces in tandem with Hilda to take back castle Fynn; a major blow to the imperials. In contrast, Edward was grieving a bit for Anna even in TAY, and was still frail emotionally and physically. Also, Gordon's brother Scott teamed up with other dead characters to take down the light(er) half of emperor Mateus. Anna just encouraged Edward a bit. Therefore, all evidence shows that the prince of Kashuan beats the spoony bard any day. --Time Master 17:32, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Gordon helped me out much more than Edward ever did. *That Spoody Bard*CecilAxel 17:36, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  9. The original Spoony Guy.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 17:51, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Gordon may have been a pain in the ass to use, but he got over it at least. Edward did too almost, but in the end, really failed to compare with Gordon. Gordon even ended up with Hilda, after leading his army with high morale. Edward cried for a little while and only marginally helped. Durmer Darc 17:53, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I found Gordon more useful in battle generally, since anyone can easily be made killer through grinding in FFII. --ClixPsi 20:09, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Gordon's actually a good character and showed great character development. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 20:12, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  13. In the original versions of the games, Gordon ends up being more useful, and easier to train --Pzykosiz 23:54, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Best character in FFII. <3 -User:Wtdrmfrthwbzn
  15. MMLN メーマウリアン 17:23, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Edward's a bard. Nuff said.--Kierandell1409 22:56, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Gordon doesn't run and hide on you when he is hurt.--StragusLore 01:11, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Edward never really was an asset to my party...in either version of the game. At least Gordon, for the brief time he was in my party, could be of any use. And besides that, Edward is a spoony bard. --71.181.48.123 10:33, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Edward[edit source]

  1. As of the latest release of Final Fantasy IV, Edward - while not an amazing character - has the potential to be devastating. His stats skyrocket at high levels, and with the Loki's Lute, he can hit any non-boss with 9,999 damage. In TAY, he is a staple for party-wide buffs and healing as well. Sure, he pines for his beloved for two decades, but that only shows his devotion. And he stands up to Kain, knowing it's suicide. Wielding a harp. Insane, but badass. Dogurasu 10:13, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  2. He had the guts to stand up to Dark Kain in The After Years and turn his weapon against himself. That is bound to earn you respect. MirrorshardSceada 12:00, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  3. YOU SPOONY BARD! C A T U S E 16:40, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  4. CAPTAIN POOSAY <3 LC 17:55, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  5. The one who brought us Spoony-ness. King of Noobs 18:27, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Endless spoonyness. Fëasindë Peth 18:29, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Spoony proved himself competent a good twenty years later. This is something I do not believe we see Gordon do. Jimcloud 18:33, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Currently playing The Complete Collection and Edward becomes an absolute powerhouse late in the IV portion as far as I know.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 19:20, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Edward's okay. Gameplay-wise he left a lot to be desired(sequels and IV remakes aside) but he was as interesting character. They can't all be a mediocre warrior who hypnotized everyone into thinking he's so cool. Gordon's okay too all the FF2 Temps were better characters.--AnonyMan 01:33, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Catuse says it all... BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 04:21, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Gilbert was more memorable to me, but FF2 was a good game, and Gordon was a good character ZaFlareStar 16:54, 26th March 2012 (GMT+3)
  12. Everything I wanted to say has already been said several times, but I'm gonna say it again anyway: Spoony. Miyuron 18:02, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Not just for the meme, Edward bucked up and got useful in TAY and DS. Gordon is a wimp in all versions of his game. Drake Clawfang (talk) 20:20, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
  14. You spoony bard! --Sencilia 13:31, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Don`t like either of them so i vote for him because he is a spoony bard!VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 19:15, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
  16.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:44, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 17:29, March 25, 2012 (UTC) Go on, you spoony bard !
  2. Who is Gordon? (177.106.111.137 15:33, March 30, 2012 (UTC))
  3. If rased to a high enough level he can be good and he is the reason the most remembable line in final fany rpg --24.215.20.67 19:09, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Very useful to have around sometimes, love Edward!2.102.150.229 12:43, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I think I'm gonna have to abstain from voting in this one. I've never played II, and I've never liked to vote without having played both games so I can form a real opinion of the characters. AquaRake 18:20, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Jim: You can't blame that on the man himself, what with Edward having the benefit of a direct sequel. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:41, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Catuse: Er, btw, your walkthrough page you've linked to, it seems messed up to me. I doubt it's my laptop, as every other page seems normal, but... The logo and the "Discussion" and "Edit" things are all over the place. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 04:27, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

And I forgot to link to the correct section too. As it turns out, I forgot to fix a template. Gah. These past few days have NOT been my finest hour. C A T U S E 02:56, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wow... Can't believe a FFII character is actually winning. Watch this now jinx his chances. --ClixPsi 17:53, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Blame it on the boogie the huge amount of people here who hate Edward. Though I'm guessing it might be a tie. Or maybe not. Who knows >;3 C A T U S E 02:56, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 188: Last Man Standing Round 6: Krile Mayer Baldesion v. Vossler York Azelas[edit source]

Final Fantasy V - Character - Krile 2.jpg
LMS Icon.png
CHALLENGER
KRILE MAYER BALDESION
FINAL FANTASY V
VICTOR - 27½ to 26
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
VOSSLER YORK AZELAS
FINAL FANTASY XII
DEFEAT - 27½ to 26
With Cecil's final victory proving his worth, he retires his position for the next generation, but two eager challengers will rise to vie for the title. Will the spunky girl from Castle Bal claim the prize? Or will it go to the grizzled veteran of Dalmasca? Who will be the Last Man (or woman) Standing?

Votes for Krile[edit source]

  1. Her sprite for all the jobs looked so much better than the rest. Kaintheflaminglancer 10:43, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  2. To the princess of Bal Castle, who speaks with animals and actively assists in the defeat of Exdeath himself! Dogurasu 10:58, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Dodongray23 13:48, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  4. It seems the only knock against her is that she's not Galuf, which is really a bad reason to dislike her, IMO. Especially when Krile and Galuf were exactly the same gameplay-wise. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:40, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Krile-Berserker.PNGKeltainentoukokuu 15:46, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Occuria Summoner: 16:26, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  7.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 17:07, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Why? She's 6 years old and has samurai powers. Must I say more? C A T U S E 18:59, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  9. MMLN メーマウリアン 20:18, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Vossler betrays you, Krile supports you all the way. My version of Krile was a mime who knew black,white and time magic. Vossler was a loose cannon who did anything he wanted.The Last Blood 21:29, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Vossler's a total wuss for betraying his country, where as Krile fought alongside everyone, even after the loss of Galuf. Plus her berserker sprite is friggin' adorable --Pzykosiz 06:57, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  12. her "armor" got me. LC 10:23, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Vossler was a tool, and Final Fantasy V was probably my personal favourite Final Fantasy. AquaRake 17:51, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  14.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 19:49, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Template:Ciccoslovakia Krile is just overall awesome
  16. Krile's got spunk. Vossler just can't beat that. Luacas 08:40, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Vossler was useful, but he got chopped up once he betrayed me. His head now hangs on my wall. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 15:30, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Tell me: How many young ladies do you know which travel to another world to see their grandfather using a Meteor? I only know one. And that girl not only kicks ass, I am also fairly certain that she even had descendants, which is more than Vossler can say for himself MirrorshardSceada 09:59, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  19. She is awesome. --Xabryn 12:36, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Blood relative of the Series' biggest bonafide badass. Like all of V's cast is a likable person. Her job sprites are adorable. Vossler's a chump and XII is a terribly boring game, can he rid a meteor?--AnonyMan 17:42, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  21. I find the idea of this becoming a near-tie to be inexorably irresistible. I must make it so! Jimcloud 22:17, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Krile is amazing. She's just awesome.Boome2 16:46, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Granddaughter of a badass, what else can I say?CRK 22:43, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Theepicdragoon 22:55, March 24, 2012 (UTC) She takes out Ex-death with a lvl 1 bolt spell after he is revived. nuff said --Theepicdragoon 22:55, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
  25. V is the superior game, as i could care less for either characters.Balfran 01:43, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. --71.168.84.136 17:31, March 18, 2012 (UTC) I actually really liked FF5...not as much as 6, but the classics beat the newbies any day.
  2. ahn... better personality is a good reason?O___õ (177.106.134.166 05:36, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. --200.6.183.214 23:19, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  4. She would go farther in the LMS.75.185.179.82 16:48, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. My vote definitely goes to Krile. I loved her in FF V. She had a kick ass attitude and even a kick ass entrance into the game. Her entrance alone cinched her character for me. Besides, even if I didn't like Krile, I could never vote for a traitor. 96.242.217.136 01:51, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Vossler[edit source]

  1. I hate him for betraying the party... But, this is it. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 09:39, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 11:09, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  3. FFXII is one of my favourite games.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 11:34, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Epic game, epic betrayals. King of Noobs 13:09, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  5. For all of Vossler's faults, he's at least a person. Krile is a Mary Sue. --ClixPsi 16:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  6. The man has a BFS and he's actually quite useful for the short time he was in the party, how can I not vote for him? --Marael 17:34, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Vossler was a great help when crossing the sandsea, and Krile attempted in vain to fill the role left to her. Vossler may be a traitor, but he's better than Krile. I'm voting for the better of the two. --Time Master 17:39, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Crossing the sandsea, Vossler was a majour help for me. Never played FFV, (though I plan to soon) so Vossler gets my vote. EpicCarbunkl 18:00, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Drake Clawfang (talk) 18:15, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  10. I like Krile...she can speak to Moogles and Drakes. However...while I mostly killed Vossler across the Sandsea because he kept ruining my chances of finding the Urutan Exile, he was pretty powerful. Krile was just a female Galuf. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 19:52, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Big sword=Win. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 23:08, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Betrayal > Bad clothing :P LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 10:38, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Allthough i hated XII i did like some of the characters that game produced, Vossler being one of them.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 12:07, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  14. If Every teen girl dressed like Krile, then parents all over the world would scream in panic. Razordash 13:53, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Because Vossler didn't replace one of the best characters ever. ZaFlareStar 16:57 March 19th 2012 (GMT+2)
  16. He's a freaking powerhouse. Miyuron 20:01, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  17. I always kill him when he is in the party because he takes xp lol, but his sword is veeeeeery big and I like those weapons. --AuronTheBest 09:22, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Don't really like him as a character, but having Vossler at Level 99 in my FFXII Perfect Game felt pretty awesome! KaiserPaladin 04:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  19. The Ace of Razgriz 11:39, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  20. ケフカパラッツオ 13:21, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Bahamut knows best 18:13, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Anyesha 12:15, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Balance! Yiazmat slayerz 23:37, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
  24. ScatheMote 22:15, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Vossler and his sexy ass.Tinks1 16:47, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 85.168.25.252 13:41, March 18, 2012 (UTC) FFXII is definitely my favorite game ever. And Vossler was great, too.
  2. Big sword, 'nuff said. 141.0.8.221 23:34, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I really don't know what to tell you guys, other than the only person who can possibly be blamed for this matchup is Bluesey for making his bots so sadistic with their die rolls. Since we had nobody to put in LMS this week, we rolled to determine who would face off in the next fight. Scathe rolled one character, and I rolled the other, and the results stand before you, proof of the RNG's trolling. Well, we'll see where it goes. Jimcloud 09:34, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I might be inclined to post a fight with more popular characters next week, but I'm kinda feeling the whole niche thing right now. Let's see where this fight takes us first though, hm? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:42, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

@Catuse: She's 14, not 6. >> - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:12, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Where did I get that information? ...well, either way, it's pretty impressive. C A T U S E 19:14, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe you meant Eiko? She's 6. Miyuron 19:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

@MSS: Linaly was a descendant of Bartz, not Krile...well maybe she was, there's a 1 in 3 chance >> - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:07, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Judging by the fact that she displays powers that in the entire canon from FF V only Krile displayed, I think it is rather safe to assume that she indeed is her ancestor. But yeah, you're right, it has never been properly confirmed and is more just my opinion in this case and what I deem the most likely scenario MirrorshardSceada 17:08, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I'm really surprised to see this being so even right now. I really though Krile would get destroyed, since it seems that even amongst people who actually like FFV don't seem to like her. I'm diggin' this. --AnonyMan 17:46, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm shocked not just by how even the fight is but by how prolific the voters are for it -- it's already surpassed the number of votes Meteor v. Ultima got, and it's only halfway through the week (on the other hand, it was also a landslide, so less incentive to vote) Jimcloud 17:52, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it's too surprising, given that Vossler turns out to be a total sellout, that's gonna get him some serious hate --Pzykosiz 23:20, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 187: Ultima v. Meteor[edit source]

FFT Ultima 2.png
DNC Versus.png
FFT Meteor.png
VICTOR
Ultima
33½ to 7
After Cecil's decisive victory over Sabin and being crowned the first champion of Last Man Standing, two of Final Fantasy's most famous spells face off. Will the great big sphere of energy top death from above? Or will it turn out that Ultima really isn't ultimate after all? VICTOR
Ultima
33½ to 7

Votes for Ultima[edit source]

  1. Open seven doors to the tower of power! C A T U S E 23:09, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 23:11, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 23:16, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Ultima has always been stronger then Meteor, most the time Meteor just does random damage.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 23:17, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
  5. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:51, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  6. This is a close one, but Ultima is generally stronger than meteor. Hell, Flare is stronger than Ultima in X. Can't wait to see the Destroy spell up in the polls.Crunchy Moogle 03:05, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  7. 9999. 9999. 9999. 9999. Every enemy on the screen turns red and explodes. Victory fanfare. ----BlueHighwind 03:16, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Ultima is more consistently the stronger spell with more consistent damage --Pzykosiz 05:18, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Eschaton! オメガ Mk.XII 05:58, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  10.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 06:48, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  11. LC 10:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  12. For the original spell that a protagonist (and the only male White Mage, Minwu) gave his life for to cleanse the world of evil. For the spell formed of pure, magical destruction. For the only spell that has destroyed a planet, the only spell an Esper was named after, the only spell that can win this match: Ultima. Dogurasu 12:05, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Absolclaw 12:53, March 12, 2012 (UTC)Ultima is an always powerful magical nuke, usually with that signature cool animation. Meteor is an inconsistent rock from space.
  14. Because Ultima could actually destroy a planet, and even then the user was in nutty rage and didn't even think what he was doing. Not to mention that Ultima also one-shot the players party... Twice! And you can't avoid it. ZaFlareStar 17:22, 12th March, 2012 (GMT+2)
  15. Ultima is always superior to Meteor. Meteor failed to destroy a planet, while Ultima was successful. Meteor's damage can be random; Ultima's is always high for multiple targets. I'm voting for the better spell, and I also never understood why meteor is considered time magic in some games. --Time Master 15:30, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Kuja. Enough said. King of Noobs 20:26, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  17. A-Splode. 'Nuff said. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 21:55, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  18. --ClixPsi 00:27, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  19.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 01:13, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  20. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 01:48, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  21. ♪Kuja♪ ;) Vercery 02:35, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Truly, this was a close one. I nearly voted for Meteor, and only if it kills bosses faster in RGE-FFRPG 3e. But hey, this spell's name literally means "the end" in Latin. It had both a final boss and an Esper named after it. It's the symbol of Minwu. Naught has ever been more symbolic of pure power than Ultima. Hallow XIII March 13 2012, 13:17 (UTC)
  23. Oh Ultima, with you i was able to obliterate so many bossess, i even brushed aside Kefka and his tier of monsters like insects.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 13:58, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  24. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 15:07, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Occuria Summoner: 19:10, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  26. I've always favoured Ultima over Meteor. --Miyuron 19:37, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  27. While I have always preferred Holy, Ultima is my second favorite spell.CecilAxel 15:50, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
  28. ScatheMote 22:16, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
  29. Because Meteor is associated with Sephiroth. Judge Balthier Griever Emblem.jpg 23:18, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
  30. Ultima is simply the best spell ever. It's a pity that it is not available in ff9 and ff12.
  31. Do I have to remind which spell destroyed Terra? Nope. EpicCarbunkl 04:33, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
  32. AuronTheBest 10:24, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Final Fantasy VI & Tactics 98.151.9.79 00:59, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --71.168.73.174 10:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC) Probably because I've only ever used meteor in IV (Tellah) and in VIII for no apparent reason. And because of VI :)
  3. LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 141.0.8.107 12:59, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Meteor[edit source]

  1. When has an antagonist ever summoned Ultima to destroy a planet? AquaRake
  2. Well, I think they're both pretty cool, so I'll vote for the one that's behind for now. I guess this will be subject to change later if things change drastically. Jimcloud 23:59, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
  3. First of all, like AquaRake said, Sephiroth attempted to destroy the whole planet with meteor, also meteor is the basis of one of Cloud's bet limit breaks: Meteorain. Kaintheflaminglancer 17:02, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I dislike Ultima, because it took an ungodly amount of time to level it up to be useful in battle, and partially because it looked kind lame in FFII. --Marael 01:39, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I refuse to vote for anything in any way related to Kuja. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 12:52, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
  6. meteor FTW.. Dodongray23

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. yeah, Ultima it's the best spell always, it make 9999 damage and it hit ever, but i prefere meteor, maybe because a like very much FF IV and FF VII. and i love sephiroth.93.56.202.250 15:53, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Meteor made Rinoa's Angel Wing amazing, and Lulu's Ultima-- and Ultima Fury farmoreso-- was just awful due to recovery time. That's the impressions these spells have had on me. 79.69.194.157 15:59, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Please note that the winner of this fight will not go on to LMS. Instead, two randomly chosen characters from this list were selected to fight off in the next LMS (those being Krile and Vossler; it will be an interesting fight to be sure). ScatheMote 23:02, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

@AquaRake: Kuja has. And then he used it to destroy existence itself.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 23:15, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ooops lol. You totally got me there, dunno how that managed to slip my mind so thoroughly. AquaRake 02:19, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

@TimeMaster: Meteor is considered "Time Magic" because it seems to be short for "Time/Space Magic" or "Dimensional Magic." This is also why spells such as Gravity, Comet, some forms of Break, Banish, Float, Vanish, and Warp are all part of the same group of spells. Dogurasu 01:37, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I can see that. That spell group makes much more sense when you include the space half as well. Thanks for the clarification. --Time Master 15:27, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Epic landslide. C A T U S E 17:45, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Just had a thought: I wonder who Caius would go up against in the arena... Hmmm.. Totally unrelated thought, but oh well XD --66.191.103.97 12:05, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 186: Last Man Standing Round 5: Cecil Harvey v. Sabin Rene Figaro[edit source]

Cecil Paladin.jpg
LMS Icon.png
Sabin II.jpg
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CECIL HARVEY
FINAL FANTASY IV
VICTORY - 27½ - 19
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
SABIN RENE FIGARO
FINAL FANTASY VI
DEFEAT - 27½ - 19
After squeezing out a narrow win over his best friend Kain, Cecil enters his last brawl in Last Man Standing against the burly Sabin. Will the Paladin emerge victorious in his last week?

Votes for Cecil[edit source]

  1. Awesome artwork is awesome. Also, Deadlyslash, did you forget to put a rationale? :3 C A T U S E 05:54, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  2. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 06:28, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Cyruny 09:33, March 4, 2012 (CET)
  4. This is getting ridiculous... BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 09:47, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  5. To be honest, I kinda want to see Cecil go all the way. ScatheMote 14:21, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Same reason why I voted for Yang. --Miyuron 16:03, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  7.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 22:05, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Cecil is my favorite Final Fantasy charater, Sabin is my fourth.CecilAxel 22:41, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 23:36, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Vercery 23:46. March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Love Sabin but Cecil, you win this one and you can go back home and bang Rosa all you want. Just win this last one. Cecil's the man, my favorite FF character.Dissidian 03:18, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  12. KaiserPaladin 08:53, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  13. From time when paladins were righteous harbingers of justice, not the class choice for the biggest community of noobs and kids in something we call WoW. ZaFlareStar 19:02, 5th March, 2012 (GMT+2)
  14. "This is a fight for me and me alone", no Cecil it isn't. We gotchu.Boome2 17:25, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Paladin powa go!Makoenergy99 05:14, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Keep going Cecil --Pzykosiz 10:24, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  17. I'm just voting because I like how he looks in Dissidia. --Marael 01:41, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 13:42, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  19. ケフカパラッツオ 16:10, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Cecil can go all the way! SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 18:39, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Cecil FTWVentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 19:03, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Yeeee Cecil!--Alexcool880 02:17, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Occuria Summoner: 10:41, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
  24. I'd like to see Cecil finish strong with another victory. --Time Master 20:20, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
  25. For nothing more then class bias. Paladin win, more then anything. XxGuado_SeymourxX 21:46, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Go, Cecil! 141.0.9.160 07:28, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --121.121.59.179 15:07, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 85.168.25.252 20:04, March 4, 2012 (UTC) It's getting a little boring, but anyway...
  4. ONE MORE!!! GO CECIL!75.185.179.82 03:19, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  5. His game was so good, it got a sequel12.180.225.130 14:10, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Sabin[edit source]

  1. Nope, did it on purpose. :3 - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:55, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  2.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 05:56, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Motherfucker suplexed a trai-y'know what? No. Not this time. Not gonna work. --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 06:18, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Jimcloud 10:01, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Despite my previous, ardent support for Cecil, I find in favor of Sabin for this match. With his manifold Blitzes and his Desperation Attack, this is a monk that is ready for any situation, not to mention his selfless use of Chakra and Soul Spiral. Dogurasu 11:56, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Props must be given to the men and women who fight with their fists, even if claws may be attached to them. Guys in heavy armor, swing swords and holy magic? Psh, over-rated. I'd like to see them suplex enemies only the Gaming Gods know how big. Plus, you know, the whole "gave up his royalty so his brother wouldn't be challenged" thing proves just how honorable this big mountain bear is. King of Noobs 14:16, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  7. While Cecil was awesome in his own ways, he just annoyed me. Sabin leaves his kingdom to go train and become a monk, and he later becomes able to SUPLEX A TRAIN!!! Also, just how he acted as an older brother to many of the characters was adorable to see in a huge, muscular "bear". Violagirl33 21:50, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  8. --ClixPsi 21:57, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  9. LOVE AND PEACE!! LOVE AND PEACE!! ----BlueHighwind 22:09, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Whilst playing through Final Fantasy VI, my brother-in-law changed Edgar's name to his, and Sabin's name to mine. I think Sabin has my obligatory vote forever. AquaRake 22:51, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  11.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 00:59, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Goes against everything I stand for, but...Sabin can suplex a train. Cecil cries for his beloved. Sorry, Cecil. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 09:09, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  13. MMLN メーマウリアン 22:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  14. His game lacks Tellah(but does have Terra...damn). I like Sabin more either way. --AnonyMan 22:22, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I like Sabin better; pure style! Free bird 01:17, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Dat wifebeater beats dat bulky armor LC 10:28, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
  17. --Trindadex 23:47, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. --71.181.48.193 13:31, March 4, 2012 (UTC) I can't find it in my heart to vote for Cecil over Sabin. And this isn't including the suplexing trains bit.
  2. Sabin's the best. <3 88.148.197.23 15:56, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Haven't played vi but i'm getting caught up in this whole suplex a train thing. 203.118.165.44 05:56, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
  4. --200.6.183.214 20:35, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Welcome to Round 5 of LMS! This will be Cecil's last week in LMS, as he has reached the five-fight limit. If Cecil wins this match, two new combatants will go head to head for the title of LMS champion next week, but if Sabin emerges victorious, he will fight again as LMS champion in two weeks' time. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

And the discussion on how to handle LMS and updates never got any input from voters. If you regularly contribute to the DNC and have not posted yet - and I know you haven't because no one has - then get over there and offer an opinion. Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:17, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

@King of Noobs: While I do not object to the conclusion drawn, I do object to the points coming to it. Were you reading a different script than me? The impression that I received is that Edgar was the honorable one for staying, sacrificing his own freedom and desires by becoming a king, so that his brother (Sabin) could go free and pursue his dreams like he always wanted. Jimcloud 20:09, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I probably goofed. It has been AGES since I've played VI. So long, in fact, that it was known as III at the time. King of Noobs 22:27, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

With all the paragraph long votes for Sabin I almost feel bad about how superficial my vote for Cecil was. ALMOST. Can you blame me for thinking he looks really hot in Dissidia and making that my only reason for voting? --Marael 01:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

It is a popularity contest, after all. And looks generally have something to do with popularity. Though I do agree, a lot of characters look quite good in the Dissidia series, especially those that came from games before the high-def 3D graphic era. King of Noobs 05:08, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 185: Yang Fang Leiden v. Sabin Rene Figaro[edit source]

Yang art.jpg
DNC Versus.png
Sabin IV.jpg
VICTOR
Sabin Rene Figaro
22 to 18
Today we have a matchup between two great monks in the early series. Yang, the monk of Fabul, will face off against Sabin, the student of the great Duncan. This looks to be an old-fashioned brawl of epic proportions, folks. VICTOR
Sabin Rene Figaro
22 to 18

Votes for Yang[edit source]

  1. The wonders of voting before anyone else can vote :3 The pan incident kind of cements Yang (and Yang's wife moreso) as awesome. Jimcloud 17:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  2. What she said. (And methinks that last time there was a flurry of sockpuppets right before it closed, although I hate to lay the blame.) C A T U S E 18:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Not voting for Yang in a battle of monks? That would be like voting for Edward in a battle of vampires! ZaFlareStar 26th February 2012 (GMT+2)
  4. オメガ Mk.XII 20:15, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Such a hard choice again...I only chose Yang because I hated how you had to memorize all of his skills with the weird button codes...I have a bad memory and fail at even the simplest memory games... Kaintheflaminglancer 21:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Been playing a lot of FFIV lately.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 21:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  7. It's a little hard not to root for Yang, when even his own wife and daughter are kickass. --Marael 22:05, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  8. The only one to survive the Mom Bomb "Explode" was Yang. Badassery? I think so. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 22:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I had a change of heart... *wrings hands and twirls moustache* - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:51, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Both awesome monks but i prefer Yang's personality oveer Sabin HOWEVER Yang's pants in this picture looks like that of a clown's lol.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 23:58, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  11. even when he hasn't trained enough he can still take down everyone --Pzykosiz 01:22, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Occuria Summoner: 16:27, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Yang's a badass mofo. Sabin's an adorable mountain bear. BAmofo>adorable mountain bear.Tinks1 04:13, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Gonna go with Yang, because I've played IV more often than VI. --Miyuron 19:56, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
  15. ケフカパラッツオ 13:45, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
  16. I liked FFIV better.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 14:34, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
  17. It would be an intense match but I vote Yang.CRK 22:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Frying pan of love!!!93.65.29.131 17:19, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Love Yang, he's just amazing. Nuff said. 2.102.240.191 16:45, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Sabin[edit source]

  1. Cyruny 18:53, 26 February 2012 (CET)
  2. Sabin, no contest. Yang is very cool but he wishes he was as useful and permanent. No other FF martial artist can hang with him, except Prishe.--AnonyMan 18:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 19:11, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Korean rangerYang is the boss, but Sabin has a better story. He also doesn't get beaten by his wife. Such a sad case of an abused husband... What does that teach children these days?
  5. Train. Suplex. Drake Clawfang (talk)
  6. This guy made it into my final party, along with Edgar, Celes, and Shadow. Not only does he have raw physical power, but he also has powerful blitzes, such as raging fist, meteor strike, and chakra. He survived the apocalypse and can use magic through magicite. Plus he destroyed a certain undead locomotive with only his hands. Yang cannot do better. --Time Master 21:25, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  7. The guy has FIGHTING SPIRIT!!!!!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 21:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  8. MOTHERFUCKER SUPLEXED A TRAIN! ----BlueHighwind 21:56, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  9. --ClixPsi 22:48, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Meatheads, meatheads, EVERYWHERE! King of Noobs 23:22, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  11. SUPLEXED A TRAIN!!!!!!!! Violagirl33 01:25, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  12. With a wide variety of skills and the capability to be a powerhouse without having to charge for it, Sabin has my vote. Yang has his high points, but Sabin has the edge. Dogurasu 01:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Final Fantasy IV is my favorite game yet I must give my vote to my favorite Bum rushing, train suplexing, fighter, Sabin.CecilAxel 04:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Da wife beater LC 13:31, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I gotta go with Sabin on this one, I believe he'd beat Yang into oblivion if they were to go at it! Free bird 19:16, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Like pretty much everyone said. Bum rushing, train suplexing fighter, that's also a PRINCE. Sabin was ALWAYS, and I mean, ALWAYS in my party when possible. Yang is still beast though but if only IV had a more developed gaming mechanic where their characters actually had more abilities like IX, then Yang would probably get my vote.Dissidian 23:25, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  17.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 09:23, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Ciccoslovakia Sabin is definatley the best monk in the series. I'm not saying Yang is bad, but Sabin is better especially with his combos.
  19. AquaRake 04:03, March 1, 2012 (UTC) Gotta be Sabin. I don't recall Yang ever having suplexed anything, let alone a train, let alone a GHOST train.
  20. Sabin's so good that Chris Sabin from TNA named himself after him Biziorek 08:54, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I love FF4 and FF6, but Sabin is too adorable and his skills were really helpful. #189.69.195.71 23:14, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 85.168.25.252 07:41, February 27, 2012 (UTC) Since I've never liked Yang... My vote is easy :).
  3. --71.168.88.142 14:12, February 27, 2012 (UTC) Was this supposed to be hard? I like Yang and all, but Sabin has suplexed a train. And VI is my favorite Final Fantasy ever. I also like Sabin's character. Yang, however, got hit with a frying pan.
  4. Suplexing and bum rushing Sabin gets my vote. 88.148.197.23 18:09, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Just a reminder for you folks, but that thing where people decide the future of the DNC with regards to Last Man Standing is still going on, so if you have something to say about how last week's LMS match went, and whether you want more matches like that, that would be the place to do it. Jimcloud 17:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

What Catuse said. Kain does not lose a lead like that so quickly... BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 22:42, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I have suspicions of my own, but I'm not the person to be checking IPs and all that stuff. I don't have the first idea about that. So, I called it how it stands now, and if evidence comes in to the contrary, then we'll adjudicate accordingly. Jimcloud 23:06, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
I'd do it myself, if I knew how. But, again, my n00bishness stands out :/ BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:47, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
I have a feeling you need CheckUser, which Wikia doesn't allow us to use >_< But I think if the suspicious users in question all vote for the same character right around the same time next match, then we have the right to be more suspicious. C A T U S E 16:02, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
But, if they did, then Yang would win... Talk about a conflict of interest >_> BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 184: Last Man Standing Round 4: Cecil Harvey v. Kain Highwind[edit source]

CecilDissidiaModel.png
LMS Icon.png
HDKainDissidia012.png
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CECIL Harvey
FINAL FANTASY IV
VICTORY - 21-19½
LAST
MAN
STANDING
CHALLENGER
KAIN Highwind
FINAL FANTASY IV
DEFEAT - 21-19½
Cecil, the three time champion of Last Man Standing, faces off against his best friend, Kain. Can Kain dethrone Cecil's position as champion? Or will Kain be Cecil's fourth victim? Who will be the Last Man Standing?

Votes for Cecil[edit source]

  1. Agh!, too hard to choose, i like them both.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 01:53, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Cecil would win.Keltainentoukokuu 02:32, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain is kinda a little bitch. Also Cecil is the more useful party member. ----BlueHighwind 03:04, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Kain got the last blow with one HP on Zeromus with a Jump... but Cecil fought and won against Odin, surviving a few Zantetsuken attacks... hard to choose, but I'm giving the edge to Cecil. But only just. Dogurasu 03:22, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Placing my vote here because Cecil's the one I like to play more in 012. Now if it was vs. Golbez... King of Noobs 05:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Cyruny 11:25, February 21, 2012 (CET)
  7. I'm going to vote for Cecil because I do not play him as much as Kain in Dissidia Duodecim. ZaFlareStar 20:14, 21st February, 2012 (GMT+2)
  8. Already know what I said aboot Kain. Heck, Cecil is one of the reasons why Kain ain't as cool as people have been led to believe. Cecil is more likable anyway--AnonyMan 01:09, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  9. My two favourite Final Fantasy Characters, But like Cecil's character better Alexcool880 02:23, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  10.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 08:22, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
  11. ケフカパラッツオ 12:18, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Long time Fan of Cecil, Kain is amazing, but I always liked Cecil more.CecilAxel 16:02, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I really like how he mastered both DarkKnight and Paladin my two favorite jobs in the series.Lone Coyote 11:42, February 24, 2012 (EST)
  14. Cecil faced more hardships -_- Vercery 16:26, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Hard to choose between the two biggest Badasses in FF but Cecil wins, if only slightly.Dissidian 04:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Cecil easily.Tinks1 04:36, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Boome2 04:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Cecil and Kain are both awesome but Cecil is just the epitome of a hero and leader. Gotta go with him.CRK 04:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  19. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 05:20, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Cecil can go all the way! SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 08:23, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Never liked any of them. But still, Cecil is somehow less annoying to me.85.168.25.252 11:27, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. PALADIN FORCE. Plus Cecil's a sexy mofo.75.185.179.82 04:34, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Kain[edit source]

  1. I like the image choices, They actually do look like they're facing off. Jimcloud 01:57, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I'm a bigger fan of Dragoons and Liam O'Brien's epic voice.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain Highwind did not receive the power to become a Holy Dragoon from Kluya. He just decided he had held back too long and let some more of his power show. Drake Clawfang (talk)
  4. I do kinda feel guilty about voting against Cecil, but it was always going to come to this. KAIN FTW! 8D BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I like Kain. I don't like Cecil. There. ClixPsi 03:48, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. LC 10:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Aye sir!!!! LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 10:36, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Boy this is hard, but I guess Kain has a better voice actor. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 10:55, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I think Kain is cooler than Cecil.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 16:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Well... Kain was the 1st character I leveled to 100 in 012 and Cecil was my second so Kain wins... Oh yeah! Did I mention that Kain is my favorite video game character of all time. Kaintheflaminglancer 16:47, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Curse you, making me choose between these two :'( simply because I think Kain has had more to overcome than Cecil, I'm going to pick him. Sorry Cecil. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 18:47, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  12. I already expressed my love for Kain when he challenged Fang, and my beef with Cecil when he challenged Agrias. 'nuff said. C A T U S E 23:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Kain was my favorite. Not only is he attractive, but he had a much more interesting character development and personality than Cecil. One more vote for the dragoon! User:Violagirl33 04:43, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I feel I may regret this vote later on. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:00, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I simply cannot bring myself to vote against Kain, hero of the FFWiki. ScatheMote 23:48, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Purple lip-stick wearing Knight vs a dragoon with a manly voice. Razordash 00:08, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Kain is a tank if used right, and is the only one who can dodge any attack, if jump is timed right Theepicdragoon 17:01, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
  18. SomeDudE X 12:20, February 26, 2012 (UTC) Whenever i read kain speak in text boxes i cant help but to read it in a Liam O'Brien voice

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. --71.181.55.6 11:20, February 21, 2012 (UTC) For me, this wasn't even a question.
  2. ----155.69.203.1 02:35, February 22, 2012 (UTC) Kain's my all time favourite :)
  3. 79.17.130.190 14:58, February 22, 2012 (UTC) Kain. Main character of FFIV, no points.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Frequent voters are encouraged to give their opinions on the format of the DNC under the change of management here. In particular, what role should LMS play in regards to normal fights, if you want it to remain at all, and how frequently would you like the fight to be changed? Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:26, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Am i the only one here who feels that the Holy Dragoon Kain image looks.....lame?Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 03:15, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, I think we all reckon he sucks a little. On the other hand, you can now see his beautiful face :) Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 18:43, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of which, has Kain always been left handed? O.o Maybe it's just my bad memory, but I swear I've seen him with that spear in his other hand. BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 03:05, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Like many left-handed characters, Kain gets that treatment often. From our article: "Officially, Kain is considered left-handed, yet numerous illustrations depict Kain right-handed; Yoshitaka Amano's artwork features Kain holding his lance right-handed, while Kain's Nintendo DS model and his The After Years artwork also depict him this way." Another guy who gets this is Sephy. Jimcloud 03:10, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. I thought they'd be neck and neck and stay that way, but can't say I'm really surprised with Cecil falling behind right now, even he has his detractors. Kain however almost seems to have none for some odd reason. --AnonyMan 01:13, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Currently, we are planning to alternate the updates of the DNC with a modified Last Man Standing (the new rules have been added to the header of this page). Updates will come more frequently than before (currently, they are planned to update every Sunday, though that might be subject to change). I'd like to ask if anyone has any objections to this course of action or would like to propose alternative rules to LMS, please leave a comment here or on this forum. Thanks, and I hope you enjoy the fight! ScatheMote 23:48, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Think of the magnitude of this battle were both to be brainwashed to the usual more powerful than normal bad@$!%!. Razordash 00:04, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I never realized how popular Cecil is... Good thing we have that new "after a certain amount of wins" clause. King of Noobs 14:37, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 183: Kain Highwind v. Oerba Yun Fang[edit source]

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VICTOR
Kain Highwind
29½ to 24
Kain Highwind, Commander of the Dragoons of Baron, faces off against his female counterpart in Oerba Yun Fang, the commander of the Eidolon Bahamut. VICTOR
Kain Highwind
29½ to 24

Votes for Kain[edit source]

  1. YAY FIRST VOTE! Kain is horribly broken if you know how to use him. And even if you don't, he's still awesome. C A T U S E 04:24, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. !DblJmp - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:32, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain Highwind's Jump was tuned down for his Dissidia appearances due to concerns it would cause the game to crash. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:37, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 05:16, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. He's a more dynamic character than Fang. ClixPsi 05:18, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. This vote is not long for this world.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 15:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Would you not all be confused if i didn't vote for kain? Kaintheflaminglancer 16:43, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Is this meant to be a competition? Looks more like a faceroll to me. ZaFlareStar 20:28, 24th January, 2012 (GMT+2)
  10. Uh...hmm. I never understood people's absurd hard-on for Kain, or why they're convinced he's SUCH a BADASS, he's not. He's okay. But Fang has it worse because XIII has a terrible cast and she's no exception. She's like the only dragoon I would pick Kain over.AnonyMan 20:44, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  11. ケフカパラッツオ 21:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  12. As useful as Fang was in FFXIII battles, Kain is a better character. His repeated betrayals, and failure to join the party after Zeromus is defeated, really show his character development. Plus I used him to kill the weaker version of Feral Chaos in Duodecium. (haven't beat the stronger one... yet.) On the other hand, I found Fang's character somewhat lacking in depth. Also her survival, along with Vanille's was questionable at the end of ff13. Long story short, I think Kain is the superior character. --Time Master 21:33, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I'll go with Kain, mostly because I never played FFXIII, but also because I loved FFIV--Xabryn 21:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  14. SomeDudE X 09:29, February 15, 2012 (UTC) I just love how monotone his voice is.
  15. r u kidding me brah LC 13:57, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  16. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 14:39, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Cyruny 19:38, February 13, 2012 (CET)
  18. Fang allies with Bahamut; Kain slays Bahamut, Wyvern/Dark Bahamut, and Lunar Bahamut. Fang can perform Highwind as a Full ATB Skill, once she learns how; Kain IS Highwind and can Jump on command. Fang uses bladed staves that all upgrade into Kain's Lance; Kain is that namesake, and his ultimate weapon can strike down even Brachioraidos. In short, no contest. Dogurasu 01:20, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Kain looks and plays epically in Dissidia, not to mention he doesn't turn into a weird-looking tiger at the end of the game. :/ BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 02:20, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Ujyl 06:14, February 15, 2012 (UTC) Kain is a Dragoon, Fang (terrible name btw) is just sorta like a dragoon, plus anything or anyone that comes from the same place as Vanille is highly frowned upon. Plus plus, anyone who likes XIII are people who've never played any other Final fantasy.
  21. Kain has a better developed character. Conflicted hero and secondary antagonist, torn between his love for Rosa and his loyalty to his best friend Cecil, and has a cool ending atop Mount Ordeals. MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 11:02, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  22. --Occuria Summoner: 17:47, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  23. No contest. FBike1 01:51, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Helmet over scruffy hair every day.Ultimecia82 02:05, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Cue fangirl drool...I love how Kain's hard and sarcastic exterior hide a quite frail side to him that is just adorable. Someone needs to just give the man a hug. *Holds out arms hopefully* Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 21:16, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Hard to decide but Kain`s got cooler armor.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 13:20, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Kain all the way! Not only is he a badass, but he looks the part too!FairClouds9 15:20, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Kain is a very deep character, even not being the main hero in NONE of the games he appears. And the line against Exdeath (mentioned below) it's just to epic. (oh, and he has Liam O'Brian's voice. 'nuff said.) 201.68.79.97 21:16, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Never played XIII, and Kain is my favorite Dissidia Duodecim character. Besides, I haven't really heard that much great about XIII.--71.181.54.223 11:13, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Just for Kain's line when he fights Exdeath in the Duodecim campaign203.118.161.181 04:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Go Go Kain!174.45.122.153 02:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  5. It doesn't matter how many times he betrays me, Kain has a special place in my heart.122.106.22.136 13:41, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Fang[edit source]

  1.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 05:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. MystRay 05:15, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 16:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Now this is an extremely tough decision for me, since I love them both. But I decided to vote for Fang, because she's one of the few ladies in the series who is made entirely out of badass. --Miyuron 17:16, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Have a gay crush on Fang.Keltainentoukokuu 19:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I am also very gay for Fang. ----BlueHighwind 21:36, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. It's a close battle but I think my vote's gotta go for Fang.
  8. Kain's a jerk --Pzykosiz 09:41, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Rictisempra 21:42, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Not only do I just really dislike Kain, I adore Fang. She's my third favorite videogame character of all time and she is the closest to a canonically gay character this series has or probably ever will have. Fang deserves love as a dragoon, a woman, and just as a badass in general. Bahamut knows best 22:38, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  11. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 00:45, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  12. This'll probably be a landslide in favor for Kain... so Fang needs this more! ^_^  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2.png 02:31, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I like Kain but I prefer Fang she's my favorite character from Final Fantasy 13 :33 --Hotdragon 295 16:48, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Aussie, Aussie Aussie, Fang, Fang, Fang! Biziorek 09:40, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Jimcloud 10:15, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Fang must really enjoy the moment. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 13:41, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  17. For sure. --TeaTime 07:37, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Anyesha 09:09, February 17, 2012 (UTC) I really love her attitude!
  19. XIII. Nuff said. Also she is really cool - I would love to have her as a best friend. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 13:43, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
  20. She is SOOO awesome! And I love her voice and taunts!—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 09:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Her personality has grown on me. King of Noobs 22:35, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  22. As most of you know I could write a book on why Fang is better than Kain, but I'm just going to put my name here and say nothing else. AlVan 15:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I just adore Fang. She's one of the best and strongest characters ever. And I love the way she does everything to protect Vanille.189.35.178.252 18:17, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  2. The greatest character made by Square in the last 15 years? Of course! 99.8.208.198 21:52, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 84.92.150.172 11:58, February 16, 2012 (UTC) Massive badass tbh.
  4. For the accent! 2.101.177.36 20:01, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

"Have a gay crush on Fang." - *puts on the Jon Stewart voice* Go ooooooooooooooon. Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:35, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone wanna bet on how long this'll last? My money's on 24 hours. C A T U S E 06:04, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

A week. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:14, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

If only I could give a half-vote to both of them. It's impossible to choose one over the other. ZazComet 16:22, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Toss a coin, make fate decide.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 22:40, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 182 - Last Man Standing Round 3: Cecil Harvey v. Squall Leonhart[edit source]

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LAST MAN STANDING
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CECIL Harvey
FINAL FANTASY IV
Cecil defends his status with a narrow victory over Agrias. His next opponent is a man who's character is at once vaguely knightly as well as conflicted, Squall Leonhart. VICTOR
Cecil Harvey!

Votes for Cecil[edit source]

  1. Cecil would leave Squall for dead.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 13:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1.png 13:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Cyruny 16:19, February 2, 2012 (CET)
  4. He's prettier, I guess. ----BlueHighwind 17:17, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. While I like both, my vote goes for Cecil.CecilAxel 18:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. They're both good characters, but Cecil is far more outrageous~~ ZaFlareStar 20:32, 2nd February 2012, (GMT+2)
  7. Such a hard choice! Both amazing characters but I like Cecil a bit more and I definitively prefer FF4 to FF8, but I still like FF8.Kaintheflaminglancer 21:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Don't really mind Squall. He's not very cool until later in the game and he doesn't become that much better. Cecil's the same except he was okay from the start. I'll go with C-Man, 4's story wasn't all over the place and it doesn't have a shoddily developed romance.AnonyMan 22:46, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Cecil hands down.Dissidian 23:00, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Squall might be better in battle, but Cecil has by far the better personality. And not anywhere near as much Twilightesque romantic drivel. C A T U S E 00:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I don't understand the hate for Cecil. The fact that he can maintain his cool through betrayals and repeatedly forgive the actions of others (some in Mysidia never forgave him) makes him a strong character. On top of that, for combat purposes, Cecil is capable of taking on Odin alone and winning, when Odin fights back. (I've done it.) Finally, paladin into porn. Amusing and a nice twist to his otherwise holy character.Dogurasu 01:06, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. The half-lunarian paladin versus the guy with a gunblade who I must admit I know nothing about, outside of Dissidia? I would say Cecil would win. He seems to be far more powerful, and looks cooler. He also appears in the superior game series. Shade.Usher 01:53, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Cecil easily. Also TAY didn't SPIT on his redemption, spoilers. The creator brought back his darkness, he already overcame and defeated it, how is that an "apiphany" that he shouldn't have let it go?? Another thing is that people say that Cecil gets no more development after Mt. Ordeals. WRONG. PLAY THE GAME. He gets development in the form of Golbez, FuSoYa and his heritage ALL the way to the end of the game with his farewell to Golbez. So that's crap when people say that he only develops during the first half of the game.Tinks1 02:14, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Cecil.Balfran 06:02, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  15. He's still going strong, eh? Onto my reason; Cecil liked people from the start, unlike moody-pants to the right. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 11:17, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  16. My choise --Occuria Summoner: 13:15, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Lol leather jacket LC 17:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I don't know why. --Leon95 17:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I like them both but Cecil comes from a better game! KaiserPaladin 23:56, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  20. MMLN メーマウリアン 22:03, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Leon's all fur coats and belts. Where's the epic armour? Sheesh, what a fashionistah. ~_~ BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 01:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  22. I voted against him in the last two fights (Agrias shoulda won, though :( ). I do love Squall and I think he's one of the best characters in the series, I think it'd be cool to see Cecil win 3 times consecutively. Plus I'm curious to see his next character portrait. Free bird 03:24, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  23. ケフカパラッツオ 04:51, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Korean Ranger Everything Cecil does is for others. never himself. squall to selfish.
  25. User:Ciccoslovakia Cecil proves himself as a real man, Squall is just a lonely teenager who can't fight without overpowered summons.
  26. I like Cecil better.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite.png 09:25, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Cecil took down a giant monster intent on destroying everything, Squall beat up an old lady, nuff said --Pzykosiz 23:56, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  28. Cecil fights with honor and has lived to know light and dark. No doubt he can defeat a school boy. A prayer for justice in Cecil's name and may the light be with him! Sombersin 13:42, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Cecil would win hands down. You can't compare game mechanics from VIII with IV. Also for the person who said that Cecil gets more and more pathetic as IV goes on. I'd like to see you beat FFIV WITHOUT Cecil. Sure you could with Kain, Rydia, Rosa and Edge but when it comes down to it Cecil is BY FAR the best character overall to have in battle. You can't beat Zeromus with three characters at around level 60 unless Cecil and Rosa were in it. Also around level 70 Cecil and Rosa could take on Zeromus with just them two. Like I said beat IV with a three man group without Cecil and then we'll talk. Cecil is not only the best character from the game plot-wise but also best character in battle. Tl;dr, Cecil would wipe the floor with Squall's lame emo ass.75.185.179.82 23:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --121.121.59.237 04:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 188.123.237.112 13:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Cecil would destroy Squall in his DK form. In his paladin form Squall would just be obliterated in the matter of a few seconds.76.188.200.163 22:18, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Squall[edit source]

  1.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 13:29, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I just love how much of a douchbag he is early on in the game.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 13:34, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Jimcloud 14:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. While FAR from a FFVIII fanboy (in fact, it's one of my least favorite games of the series,) props must be given to the man who does his best for everyone while trying to do it alone. Also props for managing to remain sane while "traveling" with Bartz and Zidane. Plus, he has a cool father. King of Noobs 14:23, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Well this has more to deal with 1. In battle Cecil is the most pathetic and often completely useless character, Squall remains balanced throughout the game where Cecil becomes more and more pathetic as the game progresses (due to his lack of any strength, defense or useful abilities). Two; while Cecil has the better personality, Squall has Laguna...nuff said User:Sutebenukun/Sutebenukun 10:27, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. *fangirl squeal*Keltainentoukokuu 17:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Cecil would get his pansy ass kicked so ridiculously fast. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:14, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Squall is easily the best fighter in ff8; especially considering the damage potential of Renzokuken: Lionheart. Squall is also a very dynamic character who undergoes great change throughout the story of ff8. Cecil changes symbolically by becoming a Paladin; but his attitude is essentially the same from the beginning. Also, Cecil may have saved the blue planet and the moon(s), but Squall saved Earth for his time period; and for THE FUTURE. --Time Master 21:19, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. FFVIII is entirely built around the development of Squall. Discs 1-3 are a character examination, and it works. Cecil, meanwhile, only gets development in the first arc. Squall is a far more interesting character. ClixPsi 22:08, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 00:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Many people give Squall flak for being whiny and misuse of the "e-word", but he's a far deeper, better developed and more interesting character than people realize, as well as being a strong fighter. Cecil is also a strong fighter, but his path of personal redemption is heavily simplified and entirely forgotten once he becomes a Paladin, and The After Years further kinda spits on his redemption with the apiphany that he was wrong to cast off his darkness. So Squall gets my vote. Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:48, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Squall is badass with a badass weapon. Although I like Cecil, Squall would have the upper hand in a fight. Vercery 01:36, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Very tough choice. But I think I'll give Squall my vote. MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 05:25, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 15:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
  15. RadicalDreamer15 23:46, February 4, 2012 (UTC) Squall has a great personality that is deeply developed in his game.
  16. SomeDudE X 07:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)Squall. Need i say more?
  17. Don't get me wrong, I like Cecil... But I just can't dig the pally, girly looks, I'll take "brown" characters hair anyday. Razordash 23:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Love the gunblade! And i like Squall a lot --96ken(Talk) 17:45, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
  19. On pure character development (and not mechanics of gameplay) I think i preferred Squall. I found myself connecting with him much more than Cecil, and I think his reluctant nature to open up to his friends provided a central plot line for FFVIII. You're left wondering when he's going to crack open. A much better character portrayal than Cecil. Luacas 03:12, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  20. HotTacos7 11:04, February 7, 2012 (UTC)Lets be honest. squall may be a bit goth, but cecil... has lipstick. PURPLE lipstick. i hafta stick with squall for this one.
  21. Tough one. Cecil is a great character, but I identified more with Squall while playing him. --TeaTime 04:23, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  22. squall rocks Biziorek 09:10, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Squall is the best character. He has the greatest arc, managing to recognize and reverse his personality flaws while also managing to be incredibly powerful and skilled. Squall is number one. Elleine 10:09, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Ok let me think ..... obviously squall!--Lunar-project 23:44, February 10, 2012 (UTC)Lunar-project
  25. Squall has Doomtrain. Manawah 10:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
  26. I was going to pull an Uatu, and stay out of the events within the coliseum from now on, but I cannot allow Cecil to overcome Squall if it within my power. Bahamut knows best 00:15, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. --71.168.79.137 11:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Anti Heroes are just so much cooler203.109.162.82 04:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)>
  3. 177.102.2.216 12:38, February 6, 2012 (UTC)Come on! Squall rocks! He may be really whiny in the beggining, but he changes and becomes a true hero!
  4. Cecil can go talk to a wall for all I care. This gunblade-slinging master is second to none. --68.197.28.242 21:06, February 6, 2012
  5. I'v personally taken this to be my responsiblity to discover who is ofically stronger. I tried to fight the last boss with just Cecil (best gear and at level 99) and died. I took Squall and screwed around with the junction system to get as close as i could to the same abilites (even the exact spells that Cecil has) and went one-on-one with the evil which and lasted untile that attack that brings you down to 1 HP and than got killed. Squall will always have my vote.68.65.33.50 22:44, February 6, 2012 (UTC)(UTC)
  6. For all those who vote for Cecil, Squall says go talk to a wall:-)203.118.174.234 02:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Squall is a much better warrior. He leads an elite military program, defeats a super-powered sorceress from the future, and like Chaos, from the original Final Fantasy, he finds a way to live forever through a time-loop, along with his friends and lady-love Rinoa. 76.172.162.207 03:52, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Squall all the way--66.189.104.203 08:17, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I'm actually quite shocked at the current standing. Where are all you Squall fanboys/girls? King of Noobs 02:29, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Cecil will just stay in he contest for the entire year. Wouldn't that be something. ;)Keltainentoukokuu 02:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. :D Although fanboys will quickly trample him if he faces Cloud or a couple certain other characters I can think of *coughKefkacough*. C A T U S E 01:25, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
The overated ones as i like to call them, oh well i just hope Cecil wins just for the sake of it being third times the charm XD.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 01:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
I love how Cecil just seems to be getting older as the fights go on. Maybe if he wins this one someone will have to do a fanart of him aged 50 or something. He'd still be beautiful ~ <3 Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 00:10, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
True, i was only just thinking earlier about what picture TA may have to use for Cecil in the next fight if he wins.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 00:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know this space isn't at all intended for Keltainentoukokuu's lolpinions but...eeh...I think it is very interesting to have a main character in a game like Final Fantasy through whom to explore issues of social anxiety. Something that is quite common, but not much seen in media, at least not in the form of the main protagonist in a "classic rags to riches hero story" (might be that I follow the wrong media though). Of course, there is the issue that as the player surrogate Squall must be able to communicate with people, so it is dressed as severe dislike of doing so rather than inability, but which he rationalises to himself as something he doesn't want anyway. My 2 gil.Keltainentoukokuu 04:44, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, that's deep. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 12:06, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I was tempted to vote for Cecil simply for the fact that I like Rosa and can't stand Rinoa. But perhaps you can't choose who you fall in love with (or who the programmer decides should be your love interest). --TeaTime 04:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Not to be a nag, but looking at the scores, isn't it a draw (counting anon vots as 1/2), so why does it say cecil wins?Balthierfan 21:53, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. How does Cecil win? Regardless of the anon's votes, just looking at the registered users, the margin of victory is less than 10%. --TeaTime 07:38, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
Because this is a Last Man Standing match, where we must have a winner. The draw rule is thrown out the window for these match types. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:10, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
And so the anon votes count for nothing? --TeaTime 05:12, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
Even with anon votes it's 30 to 30, Sqaull did not beat Cecil. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:28, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 181 - Last Man Standing Round 2: Cecil Harvey v. Agrias Oaks[edit source]

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LAST MAN STANDING
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CECIL Harvey
FINAL FANTASY IV
Cecil Harvey, Dark Knight turned Paladin, faces off against one of the only other Paladins in Final Fantasy to ever score a victory in the DNC, Agrias Oaks, hero of the War of the Lions! VICTOR
Draw

Votes for Cecil[edit source]

  1. Cecil redeemed himself from being a Dark Knight, he makes becomeing a Paladin that much better.Aaaaa.jpgThe Nemesisx 00:41, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Lord Cecil Harvey went from Dark Knight to Paladin, forsaking his bloodstained past. He endured the betrayal of his closest friend and managed in the end to forgive his brother. He led his party throughout an epic quest to save his world from genocide. Agrias is skilled, but she just doesn't stand a chance Dogurasu 01:02, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Once again, Cecil is by far the better choice. Whoever Agrias is can't come close to Cecil's achievements. Not only did he save the world and the moon once, he did it again with his son almost two decades later. Only a true Paladin can accomplish those feats.--Time Master 03:21, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:31, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Mainstream > Spin-off. KaiserPaladin 06:55, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  6. THIS IS BARON! オメガ Mk.XII 09:25, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I voted for him last time, and I'll do it again. That and I've never played Tactics...I really should. I feel like I'm missing out. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 12:55, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  8.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 18:07, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  9. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:20, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  10. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2.png 18:38, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  11. C-Dog. Agrias is a good character, but she fell off the face of the planet after she joins the party and just fades into the backround.AnonyMan 19:03, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Cookies for the man who's not afraid to wear lipstick. Cecil, you girly man you! TidusTehSacrificer357 00:19, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Cecil redeems himself after destroying Mist by protecting Rydia with his life --Pzykosiz 00:58, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Cecil all the way man, he was a total BA. I might like Oaks, but I have no Playstation, hence, I've never played one of my favorite FF games (tactics). Firebat 02:32, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  15. CECIL NEEDS TO WIN!!! --User:KungKungKung (talk) 09:20, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Gotta vote Cecil here. Griever-Renzokuken 13:49, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  17. --Occuria Summoner 13:50,January 16 ,2012(UTC)
  18. Cecil all the way! who the heck is the other combatant? Primal Link 19:25, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Cecil for sure.CecilAxel 00:11, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  20. I'll admit to not having played either game, but I know more about Cecil MateusNamelink.png Dissicon ff2 Emp1.png 06:03, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  21. SomeDudE X 13:19, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  22.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1.png 14:29, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Cecil may have been a great dark knight, but we can all tell that the paladin was a better path for him, he is kind, forgiving, brave, noble, but most of all loving, the true qualities of a paladin. Kaintheflaminglancer 16:20, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Rictisempra 19:34, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
  25. sΓΣamyGoreng 12:44, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Korean Ranger Cecil overcame everything, including himself. Therefore the win goes to he.
  27. Mainly because I have no idea who the other character is. --Marael 02:25, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Because I played Tactics for less than an hour, and then stopped because I didn't like it at all, and because of Dissidia. --71.168.81.63 13:10, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. IV>>>>>TActics. THat's all. 141.0.8.34 10:43, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  3. COME ON CECIL!!! 2.102.151.3 16:04, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I'm going with the man with more makeup than all of Broadway, because I have no idea who the other is. --68.197.28.242 23:49, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Agrias[edit source]

  1. Partially a pity vote because nobody here plays Tactics for some reason, partially because if they had the same damage limit Agrias would beat Cecil every time.C A T U S E00:39, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Easily one of the best characters in FFT. She's not much of a character, but neither is Cecil. ...Yeah. ClixPsi 01:48, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Agrias beat Sephiroth. I am of the opinion that if Agrias loses to Cecil, then by that implication, Cecil is better than Sephiroth. This eventuality simply cannot be. Jimcloud 03:21, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Agrias is more awesome. ----BlueHighwind 04:44, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I really can't decide. Free bird 08:59, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Came from a better game. LC 09:29, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Clarent talk 09:51, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Came to vote for the Tactics for once LegendCrystarium Crystal Lightning.pngAqua 10:19, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I'm here to make this more even for Tactics, the best and most underrated Final Fantasy game. ZaFlareStar 16:24, January 16th, 2012 (GMT+2, screw UTC)
  10. I usually pretend that, whenever Agrias is on the field, she says, "F*ck you all. Divine Ruination." Mynameissora 14:46, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  11. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.pngKujaBox.PNG 18:31, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  12. umad that a Tactics character is beating you Cecil? huehuehue 8bit 18:55, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Girls rule, boys drool! AmbieSushi 21:00, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I found the game she is in to be far more enjoyable and strategic. One of my favorite games of all time. King of Noobs 21:10, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  15. This goes to Agrias because I never beated FFIV and because I'm a little addicted to Tactics (Master Lamington 18:52, January 17, 2012 (UTC))
  16. Just preference.. - Metusylc0304 09:43, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Agrias was one of my favorite characters in FFT and she definitly deserves to win >:D-Tzadekain
  18. Not a big fan of Cecil in his Paladin form. --Miyuron 23:07, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
  19. BfD t/c 03:45, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  20. --Leon95 22:10, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Her moveset is just so badass. --RAMRamallah 07:19, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  22. ケフカパラッツオ 20:20, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  23. I like Cecil and his abilities, but I just find Agrias better. Pikmin Master 22:29, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I'm voting to show my love for Tactics.--155.69.203.1 03:29, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. While she gets very little character development, she's still a more versatile Paladin than Cecil, and Tactics was a great game to boot. 58.111.64.105 04:42, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 76.172.162.207 16:33, January 16, 2012 (UTC) Agrias may not have been as central to the plot of Tactics, after Delita takes Ovelia, but she definitly kicks butt. I'm voting for her because the Lucavi are a heck of a lot scarier than Zeromus. All Hail ULTIMA! MUJAJAJA
  4. 130.113.125.14 17:02, January 18, 2012 (UTC) I like them both but I'll go for the one I like a bit more.
  5. 192.168.7.1 10:10, January 20, 2012 (UTC) Agrias should be on Dissidia 012 too, as well as Ramza should have been called to the original Dissidia.
  6. Love Agrias. Wonderful character. 204.185.144.211 14:37, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  7. 192.168.25.1 19:14, January 20, 2012 (UTC) Gotta vote for the best Final Fantasy ever!
  8. 10.1.1.1 9:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC) GO,go,go,Agrias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  9. A vote for a lovely girl from an equally awesome girl!99.8.208.198 01:20, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

@Dogu: Nah, she doesn't stand a chance because people never played Tactics. Oh, and sign your votes this time, all ye anonymous users! :DC A T U S E01:05, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

I always felt like...Agrias has just hardly any personality. Her whole character is that she is a female knight, which is just a bit more novel than having a male knight. If she was a male knight and still said and did all the same things, no one would remember this character.Keltainentoukokuu 03:36, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Now, let's be fair here, that's sort of calling the kettle black. Cecil's personality is basically the same as Agrias's, in that it is transparent and vaguely knightly. The only difference is that he happens to be the protagonist of his story, and he kind of has to be redeemed before he can parade around with the same attitude as her. Also, Agrias's personality is kind of novel in FFT, where she is one of like 10 named characters who will not betray or attack you in pursuit of their own goals. Jimcloud 03:49, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
I guess when I said personality I didn't mean the person's actual personality. More like when you say that...house has personality or something. I don't have any strong feelings toward Cecil, but he's alright. He's the typical knight archetype but they add some conflict in his story to bring out different sides of him.Keltainentoukokuu 03:58, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

So I was wrong. Agrias is winning after all.C A T U S E17:06, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ditto, I expected Cecil to dominate like he did in the last round, but its good to see that I'm one of many Agrias fans! Must there be a winner in these Last Man Standing duels? What would happen in case of a tie? Free bird 20:46, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
Probably it can only tie if the two have an exact equal amount of points in the end, and that isn't gonna happen.C A T U S E22:15, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

This is the biggest Peanut Gallery I've never seen. So I'm one of the main culprits at making it so big, but...C A T U S E22:15, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Now that's just depressing. The DNC used to be better than this.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 23:15, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, there was one bigger back at the top of Archive XVIII (Which, curiously, is not on the template at the bottom, no idea why), which was, what, last August? And one that trounces both of them from back in April. Jimcloud 23:25, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ooooooh it's a tie at the moment, i was expecting this to be a landslide in Cecil's favour, well i guess it just goes to show that he was more bad arse as a Dark Knight XD.Aaaaa.jpgThe Nemesisx 13:37, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Scratch that, the tie has been broken, Cecil is winning once again.Aaaaa.jpgThe Nemesisx 14:06, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

If I did my DNC math correct, it's Cecil:27 to Agrias:25. I'm amazed she's doing so well, to be perfectly honest. The Tactics series isn't as well liked as some others. King of Noobs 14:15, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Its actually tied once again, if you count all the signed anon votes both of them come up as 29 each way, damn it people, vote for Cecil XD.Aaaaa.jpgTheNemesisx 14:18, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the anonymous votes each count as one-half a vote (last I checked); thus, Cecil is in the lead by two. Dogurasu 16:09, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
They're pretty close together, so I think they're tied by the 10% clause. C A T U S E 23:08, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
But can we have a tie under this new Last Man Standing System? ClixPsi 23:30, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
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