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Week 140: Leviathan v. PhoenixEdit

LeviathanFFVI
DNC Versus
WINNER!
Summons. Call this fire versus water, but really its not fire versus water, so maybe we'll go with 'red versus blue.' WINNER!
Phoenix
74 1/2 to 65 1/2

Votes for the LeviathanEdit

  1. Leviathan. If only because he saved my life more times in Dissidia than Phoenix. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3 05:13, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Leviathan is a sea serpant aka dragon and he my second favorite summon. Also water beats fire.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 04:03, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Phoenix is marginally more useful, but Leviathan is often a sole source of Water-elemental damage. His artwork over the series is also... amazing, especially here. 8bit 04:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. As anyone here will tell you, I have a massive obsession with Leviathan. Phoenix a great summon. Don't get me wrong, but the Lord of All Waters edges it for me. He's appeared in more games and he's usually a boss (at least in the older FFs) and he looks incredibly badass in FFVIII. Tsunami for the win! TheBlueDragoon 05:15, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Phoenix is cool, but there's just something about Leviathan that makes him significantly cooler. Moocowisi 05:25, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Leviathan = Pwnage. AtmaCrisis 08:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Leviathan is a lot stronger then Phoenix even though Bahamut is still superior, the only purpose of Phoenix is because he can revive dead allies along with damaging an opponent at the same time. The damage that Phoenix does however is insignificant to most summons and if you only have one dead character, arise is a much better choice of spell as it cost only half the MP Phoenix costs. The only time when Phoenix is actually useful is when you either have more then one character dead or you have a dead character and the opponent is weak against fire. Besides another reason that makes Leviathan more useful is that he is USUALLY the only source of strong water attacks that your party has while Phoenix can be easily replaced with a stronger fire summon or Firaga. KaiserPaladin 08:37, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Mmm...an immortal creature versus the master of the oceans? My vote is for the King of the Phantom Beasts (FFIV), without any doubt. •Alfarius• 14:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  9. BlueHighwind : "Let those curse it who curse the day, who are ready to rouse up Leviathan." (Job 3:8)
  10. Leviathan may not have been able to heal, but his power has always been excellent (and sometimes better than Bahamut for the MP cost). I like both, and pheonix has saved me more than once, but I have to say overall I prefer to have my big watery summon to wipe out my enemies. Also all the animations have been awesome! Bond em7 14:30, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Water can easily extinguish fire. SquallisbetterthanCloud 14:51, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  12. "Hey look, this boss is weak to Water! OH WAIT. I don't have any water elemental spells." This is where Leviathan's usefulness shines through. Plus, if you don't suck, you won't ever have to use Phoenix. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:56, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  13. A tough call, but Leviathan is my favourite of all summons. Swmystery 15:04, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx
  15. Cloud of Darkness rapist. - Henryacores^ 17:19, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Leviathan's just awesome. Sea serpent versus bird on fire? Sea serpent! -SonOfAJenova 18:08, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Leviathan has my vote, though Phoenix is cool too.--StragusLore 18:54, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Leviathan has been in more games than Phoenix. Plus more unique eidolon (apart from ivalice games no alternate water summon)Balthierfan 21:22, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  19. As mentioned, Leviathan is a godsend during the final battles of FFIII (namely Cloud of Darkness), since Bahamut has so few castings available. For that alone, I shall salute thee, Lord of the Seas.--ClixPsi 21:51, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  20. If this battle were portrayed in-game literally in a Bahamut vs. Alexander fashion, Leviathan would easily douse the flame of Phoenix. Theres really no avoiding that. And sure, Phoenix is more useful in battle. But being thee only Water summon around and a powerful one, it deserves more recognition than it gets. Adelbert
  21. I like him better.--DarkTriforce 22:41, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Go Blue Team User:OwlEye
  23. I don't like either summon so I'm going with who would win element wise.ShadoeBlyson2 5:14
  24. Leviathan = Leviathan's Stomach = Ricard Highwind = Badass. I make random connections like this. The Terran Storm
  25. The first summon I ever saw, when I played the FFVIII demo at a friend's house. It's kinda hard to argue with that. Sol_Vent
  26. This was a tough one, but Leviathan has it for me. All of the reasons stated above are excellent, but when it comes right down to it, I'm a water person.CodeNameRedXIII 05:43, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Levi <3 Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Leviathan is usually stronger than Phoenix, although Phoenix provides "all life", but who needs that anyway? Besides, Leviathan is more of a classic to me. Badag 13:38, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Rinoa leonheart 16:59, February 4, 2010 (UTC) Leviathan O YEAH
  30. Juqni 17:07, February 4, 2010 (UTC) I've pretty much never used Phoenix so Leviathan is a pretty obvious choice. Besides he had an awesome summoning sequence in FF8.
  31. I have to go with Leviathan on this one. As they say, the best defense is a good offense. Plus Leviathan is so much harder to get. --Azecreth 18:57, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  32. FaythOfFenrir 23:50, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Phoenix and the revival are far superior to Leviathan's damage which is often outclassed by Bahamut. But Leviathan is also responsible for making my darling Rydia the beauty she is today, and he's in second, so I choose him. Doreiku Kuroofangu
  34. Leviathan is a sea monster and is generally one of the most powerful summons in the game. Skin Of Silver 02:13, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Like it more - Ash Crimson - 08:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Phoenix annoys me for some reason. Leviathan is awesome. Avieure 09:08, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Never played a game with Phoenix in it. OavatosDK 15:03, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Going with the mythical creature of world ending proportions --Gerdat14 19:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Phoenix can be better,but i still like the leviathan - White Mage From Hell
  40. Look at the pretty fishy! MadHatter1284 01:02, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Levi is very useful considering water element is not common in most games (is that why they took him out in X?). Phoenix did save me a couple of times in VIII and IX (take that you big blue bad plot device), but Levi has all the good junctions. CheeseNinja 05:11, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Leviathan is my favorite summon and the vote #24 made me smile. Karu
  43. Leviathan is the best summon a Dragoon could ever have Commander Kain Highwind 07:49, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  44. SilverSummonerTaLk 07:57, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  45.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:10, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Leviathan has never let me down. If I want something dead, I call Leviathan, and problem solved. Plus realistically he could kill everything on the ground if he wanted to by just producing a massive flood. lol this won't do much vs Phoenix, but Phoenix can't do anything to Leviathan if he just stays underwater. lol It's like a giant eagle on fire vs a giant eel, neither of them can kill the other, but I say Leviathan wins, because he has some Amazing animations. CardboardBoxMan Febuary 9, 2010 (UTC)
  47. I like both and I'm not sure anyone can win since in fire vs water you just get steam, but I'll go with Leviathan on this one just because I like the water effects in his summon sequences. --Ammyissun 17:11, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
  48. i would have to put leviathon because it could summon a wave and put out the pheonix before it even got to it
  49. Gabi131: Leviathan for sure, Phoenix can revive everyone sometimes but I never use it since as soon as someone dies I use Phoenix Down so Leviathan is way more useful.
  50. Its freaking Leviathan, C'mon! NeoExdeath 18:20, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  51. Does it really need explaining why Leviathan would destroy Phoenix. Phoenix aint a bad Eidolon but not as good as Leviathan. JasarDaConqueror 07:05, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Leviathan=EPIC Judge Balthier 16:48, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
  53. Blue army beats Red Army. Caboose FTW! What? He said "red vs. blue."--I like me.04:41, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
  54. Leviathan is awesome, especialy on FFVIII. I never realy used Pheonix-final attack on FFVII. Sigmaslash5 09:41, February 2010 (UTC)
  55. Fire versus water? Also, I do not think I have ever had the need to use Phoenix. Racheal the Grimalkin 17:58, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
  56. Phoenix is cool and all, but in summons, Leviathan is far more useful.--Innosense 00:21, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
  57. Leviathan is more cute than Pheonix-ULtimia

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. I like the water element better, so Leviathan FTW.
  2. I actually had to think about this for some time. But...I'll go for Leviathan. I've developed a strange love for him during the last few years...
  3. Water is a more unique element in a Final Fantasy game. 110.33.202.212 08:41, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Aaaaah, this one hurts!! My two very most beloved Eidolons. They both are quite powerful, but most of all, they both are ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT! But I'll go with Leviathan, because I like Water most...but really, as far as I'm concerned, they're on equal footing.
  5. I think phoenix is more useful but the ff9 version of leviathan is one of the coolest summons in the entire series. Leviathan FTW!!
  6. I loved Leviathan's cutscene in FFVIII and he/she has always been there to beast it up!
  7. Leviathan's cool, and I use him far more often than I use Phoenix. Sometimes I just use him to see the summoning sequence, it's usually pretty cool. 206.248.112.231 04:08, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Though Phoenix is a pretty sweet mythological beast, Leviathan takes the cake in element, backstory, amount of games, and damage to MP ratio in general. Phoenix kind of falls flat...it feels forced, and I prefer Ifrit as a fire summon. 1:07, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Leviathan because 1.Its element is WATER. 2.Call me crazy, but in KH358/2 Days, Leviathan is my favorite keyblade.
  10. I vote Leviathan because he is usually the only way to use the water element. his artwork is always amazing! and he is usually powerful as hell!
  11. Leviathan was the first summon I ever saw in the series. It holds a special place among the summons to me.
  12. This was a difficult fight. I like them both, they have cool abilities, animations, appearances, etc. Since I couldn't decide by any other means, they're both just so great, I told myself I'd vote for whoever had less votes at the end of the week. Leviathan may not be lacking by much, but my vote is to him. 96.234.74.96 16:40, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  13. He come in second in my summon list just after Bahamut !!! It Tsunami attack is more deadly than (sometime eject monster from the Battlefield) Phoenix flame or Ressurection....
  14. 163.153.111.64 14:45, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Phoenix can fly, but Leviathan can fly and dive! Beat that.
  16. he is better than phoenix is every way and it have tsunami!
  17. 98.70.73.53 01:42, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for the PhoenixEdit

  1. Phoenix FTW! Uppfinnarn 09:49, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  2. User:ApatheticAngel 00:13, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Dude, it's a bird on fire, whats not to like. Plus, if you needed to eat it, it would cook itself! BlaqheartGIG 07:11, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  4. User:Firaga44 08:50, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Not sure if Leviathan could heal. Kuzlalala 10:15, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  6. I prefer fire over water anytime. --Sencilia 10:18, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. I've always loved both of these summons. FFIX's summons were my favourites, and since both of these were summonable, I was torn. But I decided on Phoenix, since it's so beautiful, and can be powerful. And rebirth is hot. Dan-Iota 11:21, FEb 2, 2010 (UTC)
  8. When I was young, Leviathan was my favorite summon. However, now, no matter the game (like FFVIII and FFIX), I barely summon it anymore. Pheonix is more useful. In FFVIII, it can revive your whole party. In FFIX, it can be used by Eiko to revive as much as three party members at once (against Ozma, this can be very useful), and it can even save you from a Game Over. KujaRhapsodos 11:43, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Fire beats waterHamfruitcake 09 11:45, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Phoenix has saved me many a time. Leviathan hasn't. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 11:46, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Both are useful and iconic summons for the Final Fantasy series. I just like the idea of a life-giving firebird over a water-controlling eel/snake thing. Modedan 12:43, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  12. I love both summons, but I'm going to have to go with Phoenix, mostly because its feathers can revive you; a Leviathan can't. Hytey 13:27, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I like chicken over fish, or in this case a lamprey. Phoenix! ThaneThamasa 14:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  14. The Rood Inverse Levithan is a dragon-like summon with the reare water dmg, wihc is nice and cool, but how often do you actualy use summons? Allmost never, since they are time consuming, mana expencive and rearly that good, compared to other types of DPS. But Phoenix is one of those, that is stil usefull, since you can revive all your chars, heal and does some dmg as a bonus. FFVII's Final Attack Materia makes it a insurance you can't be without in some battles.
  15. What more can I say? 15:11, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Hooray for the bird. FinalAnnihilator 15:56, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  17. It saved me from death so many times.Redeemer & Destroyer 17:29, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  18. It was the only way I could get through Crisis Core on Hard mode Bruntie2 19:01, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  19. While Leviathan may be powerful, it doesn't cast Arise on the whole party while attacking enemies with fire. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:14, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Phoenix is the most versatile summon, hands down. Who cares about an extra, say, 3000 damage compared to Phoenix if you're dead? Intercision 19:19, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Munk451 Pheonix can save you if you are down to your last party member and summon it, because everyone will be revived, while leviathan dosen't. pure and simple
  22. Phoenix is just awesome because it revives your party and hurts the enemy.Legend of Fantasy 20:43, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  23. Dang, this is a good fight. But Leviathan is never the most powerful summon in the games he appears in, although he does teach some good magic in some games, but Phoenix is often very unique in its ability to revive the whole party and therefore very useful (FFVIII) as well as teaching some very unique and useful magic such as Life 3 (FFVI). I'm going with Phoenix here. -Nokareon
  24. A difficult fight, why do I choose Phoenix? There are several reasons: I owe it for aiding in my defeat of Omega in Final Fantasy VIII, I have fond memories of mispronouncing it's name (as 'Fa En Ix') back as a child, and overall I prefer to be brought back to life than to have an overlarged water gun at my disposal, that's not to say I don't like Leviathan; but I'll shut up now. Goo Rayder 22:30, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  25. No phoenix, no phoenix downs Sunpanda2012 22:48, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Clear winner here!!! I can't count how many times he helped me out right after my party was wiped out at some superboss fight!!! MMLN メーマウリアン 22:51, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  27. This is super-tough for me, since both summons are awesome, and it's a really good fight, but as my favorite color is red, my element is fire, and I'm fond of the Phoenix as a mythical creature for everything it represents, my choice is clear! FFTA-job-timemageMStarkMaximumFFTA-job-timemageNM 00:11, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Something no party should be without, either this summon or its legendary feathers. - Saethori (T / C) - 00:48, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Leviathan's feathers aren't a recurring item that allows one to circumvent inconvenient deaths. Actually, does Leviathan have feathers? No, because Leviathan's some stupid mega-snake (like this series doesn't have enough already...) Phoenix, however, is a mythical bird. (It's also a city in the United States, but that's probably unrelated.) The.DreadnoughT 02:37, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Mysidian Nomad 03:26, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  31. JohnnyC 06:11, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Tough decision, but I love phoenix. Peanutthephantom 7:52, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Yikes, this is a really tough one. But I love Phoenixes in general as well, so Phoenix gets my vote. :) Sorry, Levi. Mizuno Mahou 23:26, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Even though I like Leviathan, A real shame is to turn your back on someone who saved your life multiple times! A.X.A 09:07, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  35. 尾藤 23:48, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Good ol' Red vs Blue. Phoenix is infinitely more useful than Leviathan, and as Water has become a more common spell, Phoenix's raise mixed in with fire damage just makes him more useful. I'm a "red" gamer all the time. User:Noobking87
  37. I like this betar YukiNagatoSalut!
  38. Phoenix= one of m all time favorite summons that has saved me from certain death numerous times. Leviathan= moderatly powerful summon. Yeah Phoenix rocks. Cyice Wings
  39. Phoenix gets points for reviving. It's saved me more times than I can count, lol. Oglop Master
  40. This is a tough decision, I loved both summons throughout the series, but Phoenix gets the vote for this one for its utility. In FF6, phoenix had one of the best curative spells (Life3!). In FF7, final attack=phoenix can make your party invulnerable as long as you have MP. In FF8, phoenix saved me once in the final form ultimecia battle. The same applies to various other FF games as well. Anyways, you cannot imagine a Final Fantasy game without phoenix down! Aquamarine39
  41. Deadlynightsage I love Leviathan, but... Phoenix has saved my butt more times than I can count or remember for that matter. So I'm going to have to go with Phoenix this time. Sorry Leviathan! February 6, 2010
  42. FINALLY! Something that isn't going to won by a landslide!! I love Leviathan but Phoenix can kill enemies AND revive you at the same time so that's why my vote is here ^_^ FinalFantasyAerith
  43. Cause he's saved my ass so many times. SSFF6B 18:06, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Immune to stop 02:08, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  45. Revive entire party + deal copious amounts of fire damage? I'll take it. Phoenix is an awesome magicite in FFVI. The Cheez 10:20, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  46. Living party members + Damage = good! Redigo 20:06, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  47. Guess why I would vote for Phoenix? Sleepy phoenix 08:54, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
  48. 48 user:dark-fenrir im a fire and phoenix is just plain kickass the real question is why not choose phoenix febuary 9,2010
  49. Pheonix all the way, mainly cause he automatically revives dead party members Blackheart1991 19:47, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  50. Pheonix is way more useful as it revives your characters and kills your opponentsFF74EVA! 01:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
  51. H'okay. Cool as Leviathan is, and even though Phoenix isn't as tough, Phoenix becomes a core part of a player's strategy in some games, because of the sheer usefulness of Rebirth Flame. Take Final Attack=Phoenix in FFVII, for instance. Or, for another title, Crisis Core, where Phoenix Downs are exceptionally rare, & there's no Raise magic. Also, taking Dissidia into account, Leviathan's effect is debatably more useful than Phoenix, but there are a couple of summons that do the same thing better. Malboro, for instance. Also, IIRC, not going into Break means your opponent doesn't gain the Brave Pool, either. Since that can give them anywhere from 1000-9999 Brave on average, it has Leviathan beat. Prevention is better than cure, after all, especially when the cure takes a painfully long time while your enemy can literally kill you in 1 shot. Phoenix's 1 main weakness, its elemental affinity, usually isn't much of a problem, either. In CC, it's not even there.Neo Bahamut 01:25, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
  52. Phoenix is not overly powerful, but anything that can heal or revive along with dealing considerable damage is better then something which is rendered immediately obsolete once you get Bahamut. That and the final attack thing from VII saved my ass a number of times. Exdeath64 01:51, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
  53. When you're on the ropes and struggling to survive a tough fight, you need an alternative to just throwing phoenix downs or life spells at your constantly dying allies. Phoenix revives all your dead party members at once and sometimes even deals damage at the same time. Masamune
  54. Regeneration is way better than a silly sea monster. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2-
  55. Saved my life during Emerald Weapon a lot. 'LloydIrving--
  56. Well, pheonix is so cool and it has a lot of colors on him!! that's enough reason I think X) Regoli11:11, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
  57. Phoenix is so useless. If my character dies, and I low of phoenix down. I can just call phoenix! Does leviathan can raise any of my party member? NO! Phoenix also can attack. And leviathan just can attack
  58. I love Leviathan. I really do...but considering that Phoenix is able to revive your fallen companions, it is much more useful than yet another damage dealer...even if it is a water damage dealer... -- Copycatloki 13:53, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
  59. He's a flaming bird who revives everyone, plus his down is ICONIC. Tops somes watersnake anyday. MightykingJohan
  60. I like Phoenix Johuotar 20:49, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
  61. It cannot die! >:D James Havoc 07:09, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
  62. Fire will spread and devour all enemies in my path. What will water do, give me a full bucket and let me throw water on people? Acrum92

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. phoenix, hands down194.210.67.136 11:21, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Phoenix is beautiful. I like Leviathan, but Phoenix is very helpful!
  3. I'm going with phoenix cuz of its involvement in the rachel story arc of ff6.
  4. Leviathan's powerful and all, but Phoenix brings you back to life! 'Nuff said.
  5. Phoenix, for the win!
  6. Phoenix roxs!!218.186.10.232 11:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Phoenix ftw!
  8. I love Phoenix, and I always have.
  9. I've not played as these, but reading about them makes me like phoenix better.
  10. Really though decision, but I think I'll choose Phoenix.
  11. Phoenix, better, better.
  12. love it :D phoenix is the best
  13. I do prefer Phoenix. Reviviing my party members is slightly more important to me when you can always have someone in your party casting a water spell (sure, you can have a white mage revive the party or just use items, but Phoenix still retains a novel use.)
  14. I'll always vote for water over fire, red over blue, and a bird over a fish.
  15. Phoenix is amazing! At least Phoenix can bring you back to life...
  16. Phoenix for sure. Phoenix is a lot more helpful in final fantasy 9. Plus he comes early on
  17. My vote goes to Phoenix. It's partly because of its awesome ability to cast resurrect on the party and because of its cool animation and art.
  18. In Final Fantasy Fables Chocobo Tales, phoenix always goes into my deck. His abilities are better than Leviathan's.
  19. Even though Leviathan is very beautiful and useful, I'm a fire-elemental-type and thus don't like water much. Plus, I've always liked Phoenix, and not only the one in the FF-series, but in general. I like the message behind the bird, that death can be beaten. Plus, I always get the association with the Phoenix in Harry Potter, which is also very beautiful.
  20. It is one of the most beautiful summons in the series and has saved my life many times throughout the games.
  21. Definitly Pheonix, saved me and helped me defeat Sephiroth!
  22. Im voting for pheonix.
  23. Phoenix has always been a favourite mythical creature of mine, so this one takes the win.
  24. Can't believe this is getting a fight. I wanted to vote many times before but never for one I didn't like.
  25. Ace stuff. Phoenix gets my vote.

Full HP and MP recovery in FF5. 2 Summoners could go on for practically an infinite amount of time if at least 1 has the MP fora Phoenix summon if the other's dead. 81.109.164.2 20:42, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Week 139: Luso Clemens v. Ashley RiotEdit

Fft-ruso
DNC Versus
Vs-riot
WINNER!
Ashley Riot
33 1/2 vs. 27
Oh no he didn't...

...oh yes he did! Its important to remember amidst all the belly-aching about stuff that doesn't matter, that variety is the spice of life and the unfortunate reality of the nomination page is that no one really knows how to follow instructions--in the spirit of the DNC, those people don't count--and that the vast majority of people who vote there seem to have a huge man-crush on Squall.

So who are these guys? Ashley Riot, one of the first protagonists on Ivalice, and perhaps the most forgotten since in spite of Square's note that this was all set on a Final Fantasy world, the title of his Vagrant Story is not bearing the appropriate number of F's. Then there's Luso, who's kind of the latest addition to the various heroes who have guided a rather diverse and almost nonsensical chain of events where sometimes there are lizard men and bunny girls and sometimes not. Nevertheless, which would you place your gil on, Game Hunter or Risk Breaker?

WINNER!
Vs-riot

Votes for the Game HunterEdit

  1. I've never played either of these games, but I know for a fact that I like Luso better. His name is better (Ashley? For a guy?!), his outfit is better (nobody wears sandals on epic adventures), and he has the Portugal colors (at least I think so). Who doesn't love Portugal?! ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3
  2. I'm game!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 23:24, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
  3. I never played Vagrant Story, but Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift is the best Spin-off game I've ever played! Luso is also a great character, both in personality and as a playable character Uppfinnarn 18:02, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  4. It was actually a really tough decision since i have play'd nether VS or TA2. So i just picked based on appearence, besides Game Hunter sounds kind of cool. Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx 00:42, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  5. I love the tacticsSunpanda2012 00:52, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Even though the picture is of FFT Luso, which is lame, and even though I'm not a fan of TA2's battle system, Luso represents a game with better characters, a better story, and in my opinion, the FF game with the best art. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:13, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Because I love FFTA2. TheBlueDragoon 04:03, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Luso is overall a better character, from a better game, with better abilities. And he doesnt look like a cross-dressing Arnold Shwarzenegger in a Tim Burton movie. Rakanadyo 05:02, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Totally Luso. Totally. Luso is pure win. --wee187 18:35, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  10. The TA2 job system customizes anyone into the anthropomorphic embodiment of Death :) 8bit 20:05, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  11. The three Final Fantasy Tactics games are my favourite Ivalice games. Therefore, Luso wins. Legend of Fantasy 23:21, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Yay for Luso! Kuzlalala 01:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  13. sure, why not? AtmaCrisis 06:21, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  14. At least Game Hunter is a title that makes sense- how exactly does one break a risk? Oh, and FFTA2 didn't need Shakespeare references. And Luso doesn't look like a bad combination ripoff of the worst aspects of Liquid Snake and Raiden. The.DreadnoughT 21:21, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Although I'm not a complete fan of his fairly shallow character, the game itself was my favorite Tactics/DS Final Fantasy Game (again, not for its plot, which was shallow, but actually for its gameplay and such). I can't really make a judgement on Vagrant Story- yet. Nokareon
  16. Even though I don't like him, Ashley doesn't even belong here, so, my vote goes to stupid. MadHatter1284 02:52, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  17. He kicks some serious ass, and actually has a snowballs chance of getting some. And he is not as emo as some other characters who shall remain nameless. Exdeath64 04:17, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Tactics A2 all the way. Luso is a lot more tolerable than Ashley. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 05:29, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  19. How could I not vote for Square's tribute for Portugal? -• Kyrel [Talk]
  20. Because he fed a trio of Behemoths a length of iron. An epic fail, but a good epic fail. Pikmin Master 02:08, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Vagrant Story, a fair game, but it lacked anything that made Ivalice Ivalice. Tactics A2, despite the weird name, truly made Ivalice a good game setting, with plenty of fights, magical creatures, and a weird kid with a book leading a guild. The Game Hunter's has a story, has style, and has an attitude that makes you love 'im, the trouble maker.Noobking87
  22. Luso vs. Ashely? GTFO Luso auto-wins hands down, and why? Because A2 was such a joy to play ^___^, seeing sum guy playthru Vagrant Story on YouTube with its eyepaining graphics and foolish combo system loses dearly to what A2 has; pure-tactial action just short of the original FFT ~___~ people come up with better duels for this colosseum please T^T --Exhorresco 11:01, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
  23. I'm voting for Luso just cause I can. Acrum92 19:42, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Luso Clemns ROCK it's own game!!GO~~Dual-Wielding!! kerodrake
  25. LUSO !! of coures gotta be the GAME HUNTER cuz he gonna play video games all summer..and that is awsome, I should play Vagrant Story though BLK.MAGE.MOG 10:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. I had never heard of any of them before but, from what I read in their pages, Ashley's character is too cliché. =/ 187.65.40.186 21:41, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  2. FFA2 Rox! 218.186.10.244 08:06, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Luso for da win! I don't have Vagrant story but I've play FFTA2 and It Is a good game!#125.161.164.196 11:14, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
  4. I vote Luso 'cause i'm portuguese and he's obviously a big reference213.13.224.39 19:00, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for the Risk BreakerEdit

  1. FaythOfFenrir 23:31, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Ashley is every kind of badass. I don't see any reason to try and justify my choice. --ClixPsi 00:55, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  3. As of yet, I haven't played Vagrant Story. But do you know how desperate I am? PUT VAGRANT STORT ON NORTH AMERICAN PSN, DANG IT! Cross this out when it happens. 月光 02:36, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  4. "I am the backup." Ashley is Governator ARRRnold with a silly Final Fantasy shine of paint. --BlueHighwind 02:53, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Never played A2, but I know for a fact that Ashley kicks ass Moocowisi 02:57, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Because I hate Luso and his game with a fiery passion. This guy just looks cool. Terran
  7. Goes without saying. Dudes got hair antennae, you don't argue with that kind of awesome. BlaqheartGIG 04:02, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  8. OavatosDK 06:18, January 23, 2010 (UTC) I have actually heard of this guy
  9. "I AM the reinforcement." *proceeds by killing monsters with bare butt-cheeks* Leon5550 08:13, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
  10. SSFF6B He has a female name. 'Nuff said.
  11. Leogon255 04:45, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  12. This guy may have a girl's name, but he doesn't follow various inane laws while fighting. Silver Dragon XXVIII 04:48, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  13. I really hated everything about FFTA (it ruined the original FFT), and this guy sounds badass. Bruntie2 16:48, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Aww... poor Ashley. Though I don't really prefer one character over the other, it looks as though Ashley might not win (though it's too early to tell). I'll vote for him because, let's face it, the original PS is pretty old-school, and I love old-school things (for the most part).CodeNameRedXIII 22:21, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Ashley. Anyone knows that he's like Leon Kennedy in Final Fantasy. The man also needs no classes to keep him limited. He can use magic and be a berserker at the same time.Mask no Oni 22:58, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Vagrant Story is one of the best videogames I have ever played, with an excellent plot and setting that didn't talk down to its audience. I really cannot say the same for the Tactics Advance series. My vote goes to the wanderer, the vagrant.Hyacynth 16:23, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Rinoa leonheart 17:36, January 26, 2010 (UTC) O yeah he'll win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:P
  18. Never played any of the Tactics series, but have played VG (and annoyed they've completely forgotten about it!) and enjoyed it. He can do lots of stuff that it takes specialists to do in many FF games, the battle system has had quite an influence on FF XII at least, and I'd imagine XIII (not played it yet, suprisingly enough), so he is, in effect, the daddy of Ivalice. He also has, imo, one of the best retorts ever; 'Reinforcements? I AM the reinforcements.' TomServo101 15:17, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  19. I just really hate Luso. JohnnyC 17:34, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Even though I don't like the fact that his name is Ashley, I like him better, he seems cooler, I haven't played either FFTA2 or VS, so... yeah I'm going for Riot (surname much cooler) Cecil the Paladin
  21. Going with unknown(the more) here. Voting for a draw since it looks like less people know Ashley (never played any of these games, by the way). Revyielle 18:31, January 26, 2010 (UTC +8)
  22. Ashley versus Luso? Puh-leese...SquallisbetterthanCloud 20:51, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
  23. The Rood Inverse Ashley comes from a game where the story is everything, and every character has a background and depth. Luso comes from a childrens game (witch is ok) and lack both a good background and depth. Lusio is just one in a line of one-dimentional characters I couldn't give a rats ass about.
  24. Because Hes Cooler Than A Little Boy. Simple, Thats It. C-Man93 21:52, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
  25. # I don't know who is Luso. Ashley is a great character and Vagrant Story is one of the best games I have played. I don't mind his name, he's a GREAT character and he's so hot :D Karu
  26. Like him more - Ash Crimson - 03:07, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
  27. YuanSalve!Acta 07:13, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Well, he is the reinforcements. I don't see Luso with better lines. (also, like the character more, that sorta thing)--Otherarrow 09:30, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Ashley, because he can actually fight.Commander Kain Highwind 07:54, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Ivalice has a one man army. His name is Ashley Riot. Also, Vagrant Story was the third game to get a 40/40 on Famitsu and the First Square game to do so.Theentertainer
  31. Coz Luso is a dumb schoolkid, I don't know anything about Ashley (why are so many girls called Ashley? Its a blokes name...), but he seems way harder than Luso. --Ammyissun 21:11, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
  32. First of all, Luso can be very VERY annoying at times. Ashley's not the most interesting character, but he is at least pretty cool. Vagrant Story is underrated.Aquamarine39 05:35, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
  33. "Reinforcements? I am the reinforcements". This man doesn't need any other comments. •Alfarius• 19:07, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
  34. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I am really looking forward to a PS One Classic on this one.

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. I did play this game, and Ashley actually is a pretty awesome character. 206.248.112.231 01:29, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ashley because Luso is quite a weakling specially in one of the cutscenes of ff: war of the lions, he was pursued by a army of behemoths.

Peanut GalleryEdit

This is the wrong week, but I thought I'd respond anyway: Ashley Riot is an FF character. Vagrant Story isn't labelled as Final Fantasy per se, but it's part of Ivalice Alliance (blah). Therefore, it's not a separate series like Chrono Trigger or Kingdom Hearts.Neo Bahamut 03:59, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Week 138: Squall v. ZidaneEdit

Squall Leonhart CG Render
DNC Versus
Zidane Tribal character
WINNER!
Zidane
72 to 45½
...I have no idea...

...just vote for something...

WINNER!
Zidane Tribal character

Votes for SquallEdit

  1. Squall is a sexy beast :P Sidane is what? An ugly monkey theif? User: ricky738 23:26, January 21, 2010
  2. To all you Zidane fans, suck it up and go talk to a wall.User:SquallRocks 17:59, Januarty 11, 2010
  3. Squall, mostly because he's my Dissidia main. My fav FF is 8 and besides... he looks coller than some midget with a tail. SilverCrono 04:25, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Squall has been demonstrated to possess more battle experience and a greater tactical mind. Netherith 05:17, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Squall has better battle skills and has the guts to believe his comrades can overcome the dangers, both in VIII and in Dissidia. Plus, Zidane seems a bit overrated in the Wiki for some reason...--Cluna 06 05:20, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Why take a cheerful, skirt-chasing thief as the main hero? I'd much rather take the dark, brooding human gunblade-wielder. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:55, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Honestly, I like them both the same. I flipped a coin. Congratulations, Squall.ClixPsi 07:56, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  8. So you need a reason to help anyone? Go talk to a wall. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 14:39, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  9. As much as I love Zidane as a character, I'm going to have to go with Squall. I have always really liked Squall. Deadlynightsage 10:30, January 7, 2009
  10. Ikani.BjarnsterしびBlackmage-ff1-psx 16:43, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  11. He dreamt he was a moron.Redeemer & Destroyer 15:53, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  12. JohnnyC 17:38, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Maybe he's a lion? Maybe I'm an idiot? No matter, Squall gets my vote Goo Rayder 17:46, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  14. I hate fights with Zidane, they make him look so damn overrate, like Cloud overrate. This also make me hate him all over again. I'm just going to say this. THIS FIGHT IS SO FUCKING STUPID! All it does is making Zidane look like the greatest character which he isn't. Now I need to cool off and don't you dare comment on my vote, it will be your biggest mistake.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 22:39, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  15. I never played IX. But I'm a good Squall in Dissidia. Moocowisi 22:56, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  16. VIII is my favorite game of ther series and Squall is a much cool character anyway. Plus he's one of my favorite male protagonists ever. rach981
  17. I like Squall. Zidane is cool, but not cool enough. Being an Angel of Death doesn't cut it if you don't use your job to it's full potential. Plus, Squall had a girl who was in love with him when he was a dick, while Zidane had to flirt with every freakin girl in the game! Terran
  18. ....whatever... SilverSummonerTaLk
  19. Johuotar 06:48, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Was hesitating a little here, but I have to go for my favourite character. Especially with this unbalance. User:-Alarielle- — 11:34, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Lions eats monkeys SquallisbetterthanCloud 13:00, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Zidane was pretty cool in IX, but his voice actor in Dissidia sucks. I can't remember Squall's, so it can't be that bad. Bruntie2 16:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  23. The Man In The Black Cape 17:43, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Rinoa leonheart 20:12, January 8, 2010 (UTC) Squall O YEAH
  25. I honestly can't say I like either character much, but Squall's at least human. Zidane reminds me of Little Gray, Drebin 893's monkey, only without the addiction to Narc Cola. The.DreadnoughT 22:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  26. People that say that Squall is emo, are really clueless about what emo means. Long live Squall. FinalAnnihilator 12:13, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Squall has been and always shall be my favorite character of the Final Fantasy series. I keep seeing that Squall doesn't grow as a character, that he's emo. Far from correct. Squall develops from a one who trusts in only himself... relied only in himself... and stayed back and hidden in his own "happy place" if you will to be a strong leader, a loving friend and protector with the heart of a lion. All from the carefree spirit of one girl. Top that with his amazing combat skills with one of the most unique weapons in the series and the ability to be a Warrior, Summoner, Black Mage, White Mage, Thief... or whatever the hell classes you want him to be. And you have one dynamic and powerful character. Squall Leonhart is most definately my vote. FatesChosenHero 15:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Lulz, I love how people write freaking essays on why they voted for whoever they voted for. -cough, cough- ^^^ This is half pity vote, half lame-high-school-girl-weakness-for-effeminate-emos. Mako Angel
  29. I think Zidane is definately a great lead character and stands in a league of his own as far as FF main characters go, but this is more of a pity vote for another great character.Free bird 08:41, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Squall is awesome dont need to say anymore Mr_Darkside 13:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
  31. Squall is one of the hottest FF-characters, right up there with Balthier and Irvine. Zidane? Well... He's a monkey-boy. :P SamSandy 14:54, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  32. Squall isn't one of my favourite heroes, but he does the odd good thing every now and again. --Rydiamist139 17:58, January 10, 2010 (UTC)Rydiamist139
  33. I'm voting for squall because Zindane irritates me in dissidia ^_^ FinalFantasyAerith (UTC)
  34. Mysidian Nomad 19:17, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  35. As much as I like FFIX and Zidane, Squall is still the best protagonist. CheeseNinja 09:12, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  36. Like the above comment, as a protagonist, I like Zidane more, but in a fight, assuming both are maxed in stats, Squall has a multihit-move, while all of Zidane's attacks are single-hit, powerfull attacks. 23-27*9999 vs 1*9999, poor Zidane. Intercision 18:03, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  37. Awesome Weapon!Sunpanda2012 23:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  38. It's quite simple, really. Would you prefer a lion, or a monkey? Squall gets my vote. King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 16:29, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
  39. As much as I love "Fly away!", I'm still gonna have to go with the sleeping moron.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 17:49, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
  40. Daggers are cool and all, but compared to a gunblade? Also, I just have trouble relating to any main character with a tail. Bond em7 15:39, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Honestly, how could anyone pick a monkey over a merc? Gunblade FTW, nuff said! Knightmare X Cloud 22:22, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Definitely Squall. Zidane is flat out lame. MJR Nigel Black 13:21, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
  43. I never really understood why people hate Squall. He is a great warrior, his weapon is awesome (well, before a million duplicates were made), and he had, in my opinion, the best character development of all FF characters. He went from a emotionless loner to a friendly leader, while most characters remain the same through their entire game. Rakanadyo 08:42, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 86.154.246.10 13:17, January 7, 2010 (UTC) Squall is so Awesome! He has an awesome scar, a cool weapon, a comic relief dad, a cute girlfriend and he saves the world from Sorceresses AND his jerk of an ex-friend! Sweet! :)
  2. Even though its a bit lopsided at this moment, I like Squall as a character better than Zidane. Both VIII and IX were good, but I think that Squall's cold demenor and his "loner turned military leader" character development was better than Zidane. In a fight, yeah, Squall wins hands down, and the interaction between the "happy-go-lucky" characters in FFVIII and Squall were perfect. Squall had tons of character development, I don't see why people say he dosen't67.142.161.28 02:57, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Hey, while we are comparing them in Dissidia, can't we compare them in their original games? I mean Squall is obviously stronger there. 124.170.139.65 05:33, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Squall Squall Squall 124.171.18.192 09:13, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  5. 99.255.132.27 20:26, January 21, 2010 (UTC)I think squall is a better figter. he can use magic, etc.

Votes for ZidaneEdit

  1. Faethinte audio is laughing out loud.
  2. Zidane seems somewhat cool, but Squall seems just plain Emo. I haven't played either VIII or IX, but that's what it seems like from their stories Uppfinnarn 14:28, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  3. This is going to be the biggest landslide since Gilgamesh vs Ultros. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:10, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Fascinating how the Squall voters are focusing in on battle expertise and other such formal affairs, while the Zidane fans simply don't give a damn. A sly eagle hides his claws ;) 8bit 05:32, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Zidane will go Super Saiyan--I mean into Trance--and use Xykon Tactics on Squall.Neo Bahamut 05:42, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  6. He is not a brooding moron. FaythOfFenrir 06:06, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  7. gotta be zidane,, agree with Fayth of fenrir Zidane is better than squall in anything.... and FFIX is a better game BLK.MAGE.MOG 07:18, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  8. Easiest decision on vote ever :) Zidane is my most favourite character of all FF games!!! MMLN メーマウリアン 10:19, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  9. I'm going with Zidane since he's definitely better than Squall with that no-smiley face. =P (No offence intended.) Revyielle 18:34, January 7, 2010 (UTC +8)
  10. Like him more - Ash Crimson - 14:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  11. BlueHighwind 15:40, January 7, 2010 (UTC): Give me a "Z"! Give me an "I"! Give me a "D"! Give me an "A"! Give me an "N"! Hold the "E", because its a misleading extraneous extra letter that will make you incorrectly assume that the "A" is a long vowel.
  12. Because IX is better than VIII -• Kyrel [Talk] 19:02, January 7, 2010 (UTC) 18:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Fear the leading man Balthier Zidane is always happy, but Squall is to EMO to function! 1:00 January 7, 2010
  14. Tis Zidane. I roleplay as the noble thief. Plus he's my favorite main character (At least until FFXIII hits and I see how badass Lightning is) so Zidane gets my vote. TheBlueDragoon 21:44, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Hmmm, an angst-ridden, antisocial jerkoff wearing too much black leather from one of my least favorite Final Fantasies or a playful, flirtatious thief in one of the best games of the series. Tough choice, but I'll have to place my vote with the Monkey-boy. --StragusLore 22:31, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  16. With IX being my favourite FF, this is no contest. Without GF's Squall's powers are very limited (even Renzokuken + Lion Heart isn't so good when you can't buff your strength), while Zidane always relies on his own ability. Zidane also gets points for being the only thief in the entire series (to my knowledge) who can naturally use 2-handed weapons.--Swmystery 22:45, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  17. My vote goes for monkey-boy. SSFF6B 22:51, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Squall ruined the story </onlyinclude>Flaming AmarantAmarant</onlyinclude>


  1. Zidane is EASILY the winner here. Easy pick. Squall was terrible, Zidane can easily deal max damage with Thievery every turn. And he has a tail. He didn't dream he was a moron. He has decent character to begin with, and he grows. Does Squall? Nope. Swinubble 23:03, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  2. I really, really like Squall as he is my second favorite male protagonist in the series and VIII is my third favorite game. Problem is, Zidane is by far my favorite male protagonist and IX is my second favorite Final Fantasy. Sorry Squall, nothing personal. (Whatever...) TheRedNinja 23:10, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  3. - Henryacores^ 23:24, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  4. HAHAHA! Seriously though, he makes every other Protagonist in the series(save for Butz/Bartz) look like poo with his ultra-cool and shockingly well-adjusted character. Proves there are good characters with a happy demeanor. Squall's a okay guy he can't compare. AnonyMan
  5. This fight is totally one-sided. Well done. Discordius 23:58, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
  6. No debate- Zidane is great! Violetmage♥ 01:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  7. ZIDANE IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER!!
  8. He has a tail. Must I say more? Oh and he's chibi! --Sencilia 01:58, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  9. He looks more outgoing and cheerful. Kuzlalala 07:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Wow, I didn't even need to look at this fight for more than half a second before picking who to vote for! Zidane is the best lead in any Final Fantasy game ever. FFTA-job-timemageMStarkMaximumFFTA-job-timemageNM 08:04, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Cloud vs Zidane would be a much better fight since it is 2 awsome characters from 2 awsome games. Squall is a dumb emo from a crappy game that shouldn't even be called Final Fantasy in the first place! besides Zidane can actually hit with a HP move and can win a fight in Dissidia which easily makes him superior to Squall who can't hit with a HP move and can't win a fight cause he sucks. Anyway I like this fight because it gives me another chance to bash on Squall and the crap game he comes from. This is an easy win for Zidane. KaiserPaladin 08:49, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  12. No contest, Zidane is the best protagonist in the series. A monkey-tailed, dual-wielding, princess-kidnapping, skirt-chasing thief beats a brooding loner with a stupid weapon any day of the week. Silver Dragon XXVIII 14:04, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  13. No-brainer if I ever saw one...The Captain 15:23, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Easiest vote ever. Zidane is the best lead, hands down. Hyacynth 15:29, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  15. Seriously. Vanity 16:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Have to go for Zidane here. IX was a far more entertaining game. Not saying the VIII isn't good, but IX was just a better game. Also, cheeky theif is generally better than emo... whatever you call Squall. The Wild Rose 16:57, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  17. Well, let's see...Zidane was actually a like-able character, seeing as he actually had character depth and a sense of humor, and unlike Squall motivated his friends and allies with encouraging words rather than just saying "..." or "...whatever." Contrary to what Mr. ZEROX has said, Zidane is in no way overrated, that title would definitely be given to Squall, as he has no character depth (or development for that matter), and acts more like an emo high school student than a lion as he claims. Zidane and Dagger's love developed throughout the story by getting to know one another and discover more about themselves, whereas with Squall and Rinoa it was "He's the male lead, she's the female lead; there! They are in love now!!!" Not to mention that Zidane more than earned his one emo moment in Pandemonium, seeing as he had been the happy, positive role-model the entire rest of the game. Squall just sat there and remained Emo McBroodson the entire game, saying "Look at mah scar! I are bad-ass!...whatever." Last point - Zidane becomes a king in the end, Squall runs a school. So really, this fight was over before it began: long live Zidane Tribal! GenjiMasamune
  18. Zidane is my favorite male FF character in the whole series. Nuff' said. Sorry Squall, I don't hate you, but you're nothing to the epicness of Zidane. --wee187 17:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  19. I love Zidane. I don't really like Squall. Easy choice. Auralyta 18:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  20. Mah baby monkey boy ♥ エーテル 19:44, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  21. Set up any Final Fantasy character up on the left side there, and my vote's going to be the same; Zidane has an unparalleled amount of spirit and personality. Plus, you can't really doubt his thiefly skills when he steals the heart of a queen. -- Saethori (T /C) - 21:12, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  22. Finally a good fight. I was kinda surprised at the stack-up here; glad to see the FFW has good taste in characters. While I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said, FFIX is easily my favorite or tied for my favorite FF, and Zidane my second favorite character in IX (next to Vivi). While it can be argued that Zidane was kinda the cliche Japanese protagonist, I think he did it in IX in a fresh way. I also beat down Chaos in Dissidia with Zidane. ^_^ -Nokareon
  23. HE HAS A TAIL!!!!!!!!-User:Purple Bahamut
  24. He touched Garnet's ass, and took out a transvestite. Good enough for me. MadHatter1284 15:59, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  25. Kuja is not a transvestite! He did not wear a bra and is not wearing a dress! He was not posing as a woman! Look up the definition buddy! Yes, my vote for the monkey boy, enjoyed his character development and he's got more dynamic, sorry FFVIII fanboys. Squall is just cool for cool's sake, as is FFVIII whole packaging in general, methinks. ThaneThamasa 16:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Easy choice! Zidane is awesome! HadoukenPotti 17:21, January 9, 2010
  27. Although I really like Squall, Zidane has much more of a personality and he's hilarious ^_^ Paninya 17:29, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  28. It's a tough descision, but I think that Zidane is a better character because he is a thief, and thieves as main characters are hard to come by in Final Fantasy games. Theives are also really good. Legend of Fantasy 19:14, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  29. The best protagonist Square has ever created against the worst. Its really no contest. Xaphnir 23:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Quite simply the best character ever! YamiNoBahamut 18:22, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  31. Maarek Steele 20:31, January 8, 2010 (UTC)It's a no brainer people. Zidane would mop the floor with Squall. Zidane is faster, smarter and much more powerful. Squall would stop fighting half way through to brood anyways. Never could stand that miserable loser. Someone get him some anti-depressants already. (A big shout-out to BlueHighwind also! Your walthroughs are hilarious!)
  32. Zidane is a badass and I hate Squall. Peanutthephantom 15:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
  33. My favorite games are arguably IV and IX (the perfect squares from square ;)). I like squall, but not as much as Zidane.CodeNameRedXIII 16:33, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  34. Well think about it Zidane was made to be the angel of death then he refused then literally faced death and beat the crap out of it thats been but to my knowledge its never been done in the series with death being in a physical form and if someone starts talking about ex-in my opinion doesn't count cause he is a tree and all you need to beat him is a lumber jack.Guardian of terra 21:15, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  35. Zidane has a tail! I would love to have a tail!--Daniel990 22:36, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
  36. What more can I say? 16:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
  37. I played FF IX for like 15 minutes and liked Zidane better. Sorry Squall. Acrum92 18:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
  38. Zidane is awesome is Dissidia. Squall is emo.Xelias0 20:21, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
  39. Final Fantasy IX is my favorite title. Sorry Squall. Don't know what else to add that everyone here has pretty much summed up. Mizuno Mahou 03:01, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
  40. very hard choice between my 2 favourite Final Fantasy, but since 9 is all my all time favourite game i guess i'll vote for Zidane NeoExdeath 02:42, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
  41. Zidane had a better personality. Judge Balthier 16:38, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
  42. Zidane is from my favorite FF game and ...yeah he's also my favorite FF protagonist. D.Dark. 13:52, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
  43. Ladies Man > Emo. Billylemmon 19:37, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
  44. Zidane tends to be the forgotten or unmentioned hero (with FFIX being the forgotten/unmentioned game), even though it's Sakaguchi-san's favourite. I think everyone kind of got tired after VIII failed at life, so gave up on Final Fantasy until X came out. But whatever. IX is in my top favourite games. It may even be my favourite, and Zidane is one of the best protagonists. I want to see more of him in the future. So definitely Zidane. Maybe Squall would have actually been worth something if he hadn't spent half of VIII carrying around Rinoa. 'The first Final Fantasy based off of love' ended up being completely ridiculous. Oglop Master 23:15, January 17, 2009 (UTC)
  45. Favourite character in both FFIX and Dissidia, he doesn't seem to be strong but he is. He's story is awesome too. --Sovereign92 14:41, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
  46. I like Squall, but Zidane is simply too much Zidane for him. Zidane is the best protagonist of the saga by far. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 13:16, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
  47. --Xepscern 11:25, January 22, 2010 (UTC) Zidane is awesome. Who else is cool enough to tap a girl's ass?
  48. --Zakrael 13:23, January 22, 2010 (UTC) Squall spent half the game pining over Rinoa. Zidane ended up "accidentally" grabbing Garnet's ass a couple of gameplay hours after meeting her. Zidane wins. =D
  49. Damn Straight. Yzz 14:22, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
  50. --PictomancerWill 9:31, Janurary 22, 2010 (UTC) HE GOES SUPER SAIYAN! That should be good enough for any one!

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Zodiacs: Eh I go with Zidane because hmm Angel of Death versus a Gunblade wielder.....hmmmm I think that's pretty clear who will win "92.238.129.44 19:03, January 7, 2010 (UTC)"
  2. Zidane is funny and has more personality than Squall. Yup... go Zidane!!! 206.248.85.113 05:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
  3. Cloud > Zidane > Tidus > Cecil > Firion > Warrior Of Light > Vaan > Butz > Onion Knight > Terra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squall. 110.33.208.224 08:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Voting for the nice, down-to-earth one :) 64.56.0.140 06:03, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Even though it's clearly obvious he doesn't need my support in this fight, how could I not vote for Goku...I mean Zidane. He's one of the best protaganists in the series. What makes him so awesome? Well, for one thing he's more realistic, and not as cliched of a hero. When you think of a hero, you usually don't think of a flirting, joking, thief with a tail. As far as thiefs go, he's certainly one of the better ones as his Steal command actually works. He is a powerhouse, and has great character development. He's the kind of guy you can go out with and kill some monsters, then head to the bar and pick up a couple chicks. Squall, on the other hand, will just tell you to "Go, talk to a wall." Now you tell me, who would you rather hang with? 96.234.74.96 16:25, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
  6. 203.76.211.155 15:27, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Zidane can use two types of weapon, the daggers and swallow blade, rather than squall, who can just only use a gunblade. Zidane doesn't just give a importance to girls, honors or dreams, or something like that, he gives his whole life meaning and importance also the people around him. Give him a taste man!, he don't need a reason.
  7. 210.76.231.175 12:32, January 19, 2010 (UTC)So... FFVII sucks. And it's friggen dual-wield man.
  8. I'm gonna go for Zidane. Haven't played all of FF8. It was kinda boring so I don't know too much about squall. He's quite over rated and I'm not too into main character battles either. But I'm gonna go with Zidane on this one. =D 24.250.230.68 19:32, January 16, 2010 (UTC)KodokuShizuka

Peanut GalleryEdit

Squall is beyond God. And time and space for that matter.User:SquallRocks

This is a joke, isn't it? Please tell me this is a joke...please...?Neo Bahamut 04:48, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Strangely this is in the queue... I think its a horrible fight, but its always enjoyable to put the rubbish you all love up rather than what a reasonable despot might have chosen otherwise. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 04:59, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
That makes me feel slightly better...I guess. But you know what'd be a REALLY good fight...?Neo Bahamut 05:07, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
I've always thought that a despot would be perfect for the DNC, especially when the egalitarian portions of this fanpoll result in the embarrassing Peanut Gallery (which I'm sorry to be talking in right now) and the choice of fights like this. A dictator would be able to get the "trains arriving on time" so to speak. Of course, TacticAngel, you would be that unique kind of dictator whose trains somehow still arrive late. --BlueHighwind 15:40, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
Clearly, we need Lord Vetinari in here. Silver Dragon XXVIII 22:36, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
I'll consider it as a joke. Pikmin Master 01:42, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

This is so unfair. Haven't we already proven Zidane is God? Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:01, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks TA, for updating this so quickly. We neurotic DNC fans appreciate it. FaythOfFenrir 17:08, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Zidane is God. All hail the Genome Thief! TheBlueDragoon 22:46, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Will you morons just SHUT UP! All your talk about Zidane is a god is feeding my rage, and my rage is impossible to stop, and I finally made peace with Zidane and you idiots have to screw all up. Just SHUT UP!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 22:57, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

How about you shut up Neo, you probably don't even get the joke. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:07, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
Your making a mistake Drake, you should know how bad my rage is, just leave me alone and we wont have problems, we don't need to flood the Peanut Gallery.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 23:11, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
Or you can just shut up and stop bitching about a joke you don't understand about a character you don't like. We like Zidane, boo-hoo, don't be pissy about it. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:13, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
I like kinda like Zidane too, but I HATE Zidane fans because you fucking morons, now please stop, I'm losing control of my rage!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 23:16, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
"Zidane is God" is a joke numb-nuts, settle down and stop complaining, you don't even understand what it is you're angry at. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:17, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
Despite how loud people can be about the big Z-Man here, he's still one of the most underappreciated characters from one of the most underappreciated games in the series. That both saddens me and puts a bit of a smile on me face. AnonyMan 23:45, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
Oh joy, I started a flame war! TheBlueDragoon 00:33, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
No, NeoZEROX did. You did nothing, you hear me, NOTHING!!1! *yawn*  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 01:37, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Damnit, ZeroX, no one even responded to your vote. Of course, I was GONNA, but that's not the point. People like a character you don't. Call the National Guard! I don't give a fuck! it's seriously rather childish to get this bent-out-of-shape, stupid character or not. Also, I hate it when people throw the word "overrated" around like confetti. Maybe we can just end this stupid argument once and for all & say that the whole damn series & everythig within it is overrated? I mean, why not? FFVII gets a couple spinoffs, & suddenly it's overrated. There are 13 main series FF games & counting. And don't even get me STARTED on the spinoffs....Neo Bahamut 02:13, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Wow! The DNC changed on schedule! ^^ I'm one of the people that actually really liked Squall, go figure. I enjoyed the rationale at the top though! JohnnyC 05:17, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm just glad the current fight finally involves a character I actually care about. Some people take this little "who do you like better" poll way too seriously. StarkMaximum 08:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I would be ecstatic if a fight would involve characters I care about for a change. Such as Genesis vs. Kuja. Also, I'd be happy if this was taken a little more seriously. Not much, mind you, but it would be nice to see a sharp decrease in facepalm-worthy votes.Neo Bahamut 08:20, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

who is this zerox guy? he is hilarious "im losing control of my rage!" lol that was a good one. it's like he's fucking 10 yrs old, what a buffoon.

Don't taunt him! He turns green when he's angry hehe 22:42 8/1/10

RAGE! TheBlueDragoon 23:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Comment on the age group of this wikia...I think I'm probably one of the oldest...ThaneThamasa 16:00, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me, or the people voting for Zidane are able to come up with a lot more reasons than those voting for Squall? KujaRhapsodos 17:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed people who claim to like Squall best tend to name reasons that actually have nothing to do with Squall's character - at best they'll say he's cool because he has combat training or some bullshit like that, but more often will claim his scar or his sword or the people around him as reasons as to why he's cool, which are sadly flawed, but whatever. Kind of disappointing, I'd like to hear some legitimate claims to why people like Squall. StarkMaximum 18:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Strictly speaking, in a "battle," that's probably the better reason to vote on. As you can see, not being familiar with either character, I voted for Zidane, as he'd go DBZ & godmod the shit out of Squall. In any case, I never understood the complaints about Squall. I never played FFVIII, so that could be the reason, but if he's anything like he is in Dissidia and KH, then he's actually pretty badass. Speaking of, I have a vote to respond to:
Every character in Dissidia is a bit different. By no means does one "suck" if you aren't very good at using them. I absolutely abhor using Zidane, because all of his air attacks seem to be brave attacks (odd for an "aerial specialist"), which aren't very good, save for the HP attack "Free Energy," which has like 1 ft of range. On the ground, he's not really much better. And what the Hell does his EX Mode even DO? What is the point of jumping repeatedly? And, contrary to what the description says, he does not seem to be invincible while jumping. Squall, on the other hand, while it is DIFFICULT to hit with his HP attacks, it's not impossible. And the reason for that is to offset his brave attacks, which are ridiculously fast. Get him into EX Mode, and you WILL be able to see the effects. His range practically doubles and the damage goes through the roof.70.211.201.108 20:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Squall's much different in FFVIII than he is in Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts. I don't like Squall at all, but even I can honestly say I grew fond of him in his Dissidia portrayal. In both games, he's still clearly a loner, but he respects his friends and allies and doesn't mind having them around. In FFVIII, he pushes everyone away, even when he has girls flirting with him, and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. And yes, Zidane's EX Mode is pretty weak, which is why I give him an EX Force-To-Brave build and let him go nuts. Not every character has to have an amazing EX Mode, but I do admit I'm a little disappointed in Zidane's, because I think he looks really cool in Trance. StarkMaximum 20:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, wait wait wait! Clearly you have not played Zidane the right way! He's speed is superb in Dissidia, I can out run almost every attack from opponent! Yes, Squall is excellent in close-range, he can trap almost every other character in the game. Cool weapon, cool persona, a spectacle to watch during fights. But, I can easy counter him with range attacks, my faves being Kuja (Ultima, Gliding skills) and Terra, my ultimate character(Tornado, Holy-Flare-Ultima Chain). Zidane's Free Energy is ok, for me, but I rely a lot on Grand Lethal, despite that 0.25 second delay (ok, I'm not actually sighting that as the exact time execution) and Mao Twister, chained from his brave attack and add Solution 9 to the mix, forget it! ThaneThamasa 22:03, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know which oen to vote for... I mean I actually liked FF8 a bit. (and who doesn't like MULTIPLE HITS AT ONCE?) *Fire shield* BUT FF9 has moogles, kupo, and you acutally NEED them at least once. 86.21.200.18 22:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I had a feeling Zidane would come out on top in this one, but I really didn't expect it to be this much of a landslide in the Genome's favor.Free bird 08:48, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't played Dissidia or 9, so I can't really judge Zidane. But out of all the games I've played (Final Fantasy and otherwise), Squall has always been one of my top three characters. For one thing, he always has 255% accuracy. You blind him, he'll always hit. WITHOUT equipment or Junctions to change it. Can Zidane really say the same? I think not. Furthermore, Squall's Limit Breaks require precise timing from the player to achieve the maximum effect. Lets compare him to other characters. He's about as strong as Auron or Cloud, as fast as someone like Tidus or Yuffie, can become pretty much ANY class he wants with the proper Junctions, can use ANY magic in the entire game (except Blue Magic), and -- in my opinion, at least -- his character is one of the most believable. King Nothing Speak now, vermin! 16:42, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

The votes for Zidane section was vandalized by "Maxtree", who scaled the votes for Zidane down to just 18 and removed the anonymous votes. I'm not entirely sure if it was intentional or not (he may have just been trying to remove his vote and removed more than intended) but you may want to check the page history to see if you voted after this vandalism, because your vote may have been removed. I apologize for any inconvenience this creates, but I just wanted to revert this vandalism. Thank you. 64.56.0.140 20:18, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just thought I'd point out that I don't hate Squall. He's a good character, I just like Zidane better. TheBlueDragoon 22:51, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

When I first saw this fight, I thought 'Brilliant, there'll be a huge amount of fangirls going 'Squall is hot! I love Squall! *squee*' or something disgusting like that. But I'm surprised that Zidane is actually winning. The FFIX fans, at least in my past experience, tend to stay pretty quiet about that game. I don't know anyone who doesn't like IX, but no one seems to talk about it. I think that this fight is (as odd as it may seem, and I seem to be the only one saying this) actually a good thing because it kind of gets people to talk about IX. It's kind of funny that the favourite game of the creators is the one that nobody really thinks about. Oglop Master 10:31, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot more FFIX fanboys/girls than people think. We just tend to keep quiet most of the time. This makes people think it's an overlooked game, or whatever. When people finally 'do' mention it, we come flooding out the woodwork to proclaim it's the greatest game ever/best soundtrack ever/Zidane is the best character ever/Kuja is the best villain ever/etc, and people are re-surprised by how many of us there are. >.>--Zakrael 13:33, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Unlike other Final Fantasy characters Zidane has something i like to call a PERSONALITY . And i happily state that Zidane kicks squalls pathetic brooding butt.

Looks like that train is running late again.... TheBlueDragoon 18:31, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well we know that a little unofficial update grabs someone's attention. Let's get Kuja vs Genesis shall we? 21:03 January 19, 2010

For those who says Squall is emo, they are totally wrong. Emo is person who demonstrate too much emotions. Squall didn't have emotion for most part of the game. You may not like him but say he is emo is just a lie.Redeemer & Destroyer 13:24, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if if it was vandalism or not, but i saw in the history that many of Squall's votes were deleted. Rakanadyo 23:29, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Seems that those votes were removed by TacticAngel him/herself, and all the deleted votes were ineligible anyway. (for lack of signature, or being votes for Zidane on the Squall side.) So, in this case, it's not vandalism, it's cutting the chaff. - Saethori (T / C) - 08:14, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Week 137: Griever v. FenrirEdit

Burning Griever
DNC Versus
Cloudy Wolf
WINNER!
Griever
59 to 37
Strength and Vigilance vs. Loneliness and Guilt. The connection is that they are both symbols that represent one's personality. Of course, there's the visual aspect, and the inevitable comparison to the actual people they are supposed to represent. WINNER!
Burning Griever

Votes for GrieverEdit

  1. Look at my name.  ILHI 23:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Well.... just.... Because. Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx 23:33, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Griever no doubt. Also love Ultimecia's accent in Japanese: GRIEVA. -- Kyrel 23:35, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Naturally, I vote for VIII rather than VII. Damn those VII fanboys! (Shakes fist violently at the sky) 1stclasswarrior 01:48, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  5. The Griever icon comes from the series original canon. The Fenrir icon comes from Advent Children, which is a mockery of the original Final Fantasy VII canon in every conceivable way. Naturally, I will be choosing the icon for the greatest Guardian Force. ClixPsi 02:03, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  6. I'm going with Griever, because I associate him with "Maybe I'm a Lion". The fight against him can also get pretty difficult if you don't know what you're doing.--StragusLore 04:37, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Da-da-da-da Da-da-da-da Da-daaa-da-daaa-da Da-da-da-da! doom-doom-doom! Doom-doom-doom! MAYBE I'M A LION. Faethinte audio 07:08, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Griever, till i die. FinalAnnihilator 10:46, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  9. In terms of what they actually are, Fenrir is a motorcycle, whereas Greiver is a huge demonic lion. No contest. --Swmystery 13:15, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  10. Griever for me... various reasons but they mostly revolve around lions? Kevio 13:34, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Griever looks badass, his logo looks even more badass, and his song... Awesomeness. Sorry fenrir >_> MadHatter1284 15:32, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  12. Fenrir may become a motorcycle, but Griever becomes a GF. And part of a final boss. I don't see any competition here. Nokareon
  13. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:07, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  14. I like the symbolism here a lot more than Fenrir's Moocowisi 18:10, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  15. Squall is my hero, therefore... JohnnyC
  16. Has plot significance. Or at least spawns a major boss.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 22:34, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Fenrir is just an ordinary summon that's only got a little bit of prestige from a weak association with Cloud. Griever is more prominent as Squall's theme, and actually has plot-relevance. Besides, Griever is tougher than Fenrir, and lions are tougher than wolves in real life. The Man In The Black Cape 23:38, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  18. I really couldn't decide, but in the end, "Maybe I'm a Lion" convinced me. That's a damn fine song. Violetmage♥ 01:11, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Beacause, let's face it, FFVIII pwns FFVII:AC. -wtdrmfrthwbzn
  20. Gotta go with the Lion. Fenrir zetta sucks. Exdeath64 05:51, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Tough choice but Griever wins 'cause VIII was marginally better than VII Knightmare X Cloud 05:56, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  22. I like VIII more than VII and Griever is a much cooler symbol in my opinion, anyway. rach981
  23. Like it more - Ash Crimson - 06:30, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  24. As Squall is my hero in this life and all the next ones, Griever, his symbol creature, is the choice of my heart. The authentic necklace hangs around my neck as I write this, and I am never taking it off. And as Sorceress Ultimecia oh-so-stylishly put it: "Griever, make them bleed!" Dramirth- 16:00, December 30, 2009 (GMT +2)
  25. Derum GRIEVER! i love lions. greiver is lion! also 8>7
  26. Griever is just way cooler. Bruntie2 17:03, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Ok this is my first time voting so im sorry if i screw something up. Im voting for Griever. Why you ask? Because put these two beings in a cage together & griever would tear up that little wolf! Theres no favorites for me im looking at this realistically! Supercrap Thief-ff1-psx 22:31, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  28. Maybe I'm a Lion... -- Saethori (T / C) - 01:01, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
  29. I own the ring... so yeah. Crims0nf0rtune - 6:11 December 30, 2009 (PST)
  30. Well griever is a lions heart i think</onlyinclude>Flaming AmarantAmarant</onlyinclude>


  1. As much as I love FFVII, FFVIII is a wonderful game and I love playing it. I also like the theme song "Maybe I'm a Lion" --Sencilia 02:58, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
  2. The Griever because lions show pride and strength while wolves act like cowards hiding in the dark. Fear the leading man Balthier 9:47 December 30, 2009
  3. I liked Fenrir as a Eidolon in Final Fantasy IX and I liked the character Fenrir in Norse Mythology (not to mention he looks the coolest of the giants in Blood of Bahamut), but not as Cloud's symbol of strength in silence. Griever represents Squall much better than Fenrir represents Cloud as well. Adelbert
  4. I basically like Squall more than Cloud here so.. my votes go to griver but if Zack was in this vote I would've voted for him instead of these two though..--User:TerraBranford145322 16:20 December 31, 2009
  5. My name. My REAL name. Sora G. Strife
  6. Laughable... lion vs... DOG!? SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:37, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Because Squall sucks less. Terran
  8. It represents better aspects and virtues IS represented by a more likable character(before his development even), Lone Wolf Motifs are a bit tiring...and Cloud's definitely not as awesome as Terry Bogard(shame on those who don't know this name).Anony
  9. Griever of Course. (glad my suggestion was voted too!...)Judge Balthier 02:08, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
  10. Better in every way ZaleraExdeath 10:11, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
  11. 'Cause I <3 Squall - SilverSummonerTaLk 12:50, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
  12. Alright. I'm finally voting, but this one took me a while. I'd rather wear the griever necklace than the door-knocker that is the Fenrir symbol. But know this: had this been a fight between the actual summons that occur throughout the series, Fenrir would have had my vote any day.CodeNameRedXIII 23:47, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
  13. Griever is infinitely better than Fenrir. I feel like Fenrir was just tacked onto Cloud. so that he could have a symbol like Squall. And yeah I was thinking this was a battle between the summons but the Griever symbol is a lot better. Mizuno Mahou 08:39, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  14. Mr. Rojo: I prefer Griever as a symbol and also as a summon. Plus Squall is my hero. 2:30, January 3, 2010
  15. They're both cool symbols... but Griever was also a badass summon, while Fenrir was just a motorcycle. CheeseNinja 12:31, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
  16. Vampyro entertaiment 13:39, January 3, 2010 (UTC) Griever is pride and strenght and other awesome stuff, while Fenrir is emoing and angsting and that kind of stuff. The lion wins.
  17. Definitely Griever ^_^ Paninya 19:15, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
  18. Theentertainer I associate Griever with "Maybe I'm a Lion" which when played by the Black Mages is AMAZING.
  19. Rinoa leonheart 20:28, January 4, 2010 (UTC) O YEAH griever Rocks
  20. Redeemer & Destroyer 01:04, January 05, 2010 (UTC) Both are nice, but Griever has a deeper meaning than just "my motorcycle logo", it represents Squall strength, pride and more...And it's a cool gf and boss.
  21. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 02:50, January 5, 2010 (UTC) Who the hell wouldvote for a motorcycle logo?! Who the hell edited my vote and said something I didn't?
  22. I think I'll have to go with Griever. Griever was in FFVIII from the beginning while Fenrir (as cool as he is) was added to Cloud for the movie. Deadlynightsage 5:50, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
  23. I guess I'll vote. Visually, I prefer Fenrir. However, Fenrir has only been made to look nice. Griever, however, has some plot significance (and becomes a great final boss). KujaRhapsodos 02:42, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
  24. Badass summon - Henryacores^ 01:53, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. I've played niether VII or VIII, of course Fenrir comes from VII spinoffs but that's besides the point, so I'm going to vote purely on which symbol looks the coolest. They are both badass pictures in their own right, and while I generally prefer wolf symbols to many others, Griever's symbol just appeals to me more here. 96.234.74.96 04:16, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Rawr... Griever ftw. Fenrir doesn't represent a certain spikey headed character in the original game. Kind of defeats the object. 92.26.109.92 17:42, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Visually and symbolically , I prefer Griever. Fenrir in VII seems to be a symbol of moping instead of badassery, which ALMOST makes Fenrir lose cool points. One more thing that Compilation of Abominations managed to ruin. 64.56.0.140 03:26, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Griever=manly. 63.139.176.68 12:45, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Griever anyday. Squall is my favorite FF character, and his alignment and gunblade style are the best. --38.114.203.199 04:24, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for FenrirEdit

  1. Look at my name. FaythOfFenrir 22:51, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
  2. This is hard choice, but I am a loner so I pick Fenrir.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 23:50, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Hm... I like wolves better than lions and I'm more of a loner too. Auralyta 23:56, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
  4. BlueHighwind : Mad sexy, yo.
  5. Griever's symbol seems to me like a certain religious symbol... It's probably unintentional, but still. Intercision 01:13, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  6. See the vote above. The.DreadnoughT 04:39, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  7. I don't really give a shit about either of these, but Griever exists solely in VIII. Xaphnir 05:03, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Despite how awesome Griever is, my love of wolves got the best of me. エーテル 15:52, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  9. In Norse mythology, Fenrir bit off the hand of a god. Also, wolves are awesome. Silver Dragon XXVIII 16:28, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  10. Fenrir = Massive Dog. Greiver = Massive Cat. Natural pecking order. The Wild Rose 19:19, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  11. I'm gonna have to go with Fenrir.--DarkTriforce 21:16, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  12. I love Griever, but I love Fenrir more. Gukkor 04:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  13. I vote for Mr. Wolf I mean fenrir.--Ike55 06:12, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Apologies, but Ultimecia's headgear in Dissidia was laughable. 8bit 19:39, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  15. Fenrir is much better because it gives a better representation of the character. Not to mention Cloud names his motorcycle Fenrir,and that thing is awesome
  16. FF7 vs. FF8... Yay!FF74EVA! 22:48, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Because Fenrir represents Cloud, and Cloud = win. Plus, I'm naturally a loner myself. --Cluna 06 07:34, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
  18. I'm a dog person, and I like FFVII a bit more than FFVIII Blackheart1991 00:07, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
  19. Wolfs are cool Johuotar 14:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
  20. anything that isn't FFVIII owns, anywhere, anytime, no matter what: &Ursa 21:10, Dec 31, 2009 (EST)
  21. the symbol represnts a super hot dude, do i really have to say anything more?-- User:prince78
  22. 2 Reasons:
    1. because of its the only kingdom hearts weapon that doesnt look like a key
    2. it was clouds bike in FF7AC User:Purple Bahamut
  23. Fenrir vs. Griever, come on folks, Dont u guys remember Zack's death and Cloud's welll lemme see, Strife? Fenrir beats Griever hands down, dont believe me? Go watch Advent Children...
  24. Fenrir wasn't in 8 so... Also it's been in the series longer. 99.62.132.167 01:58, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  25. PabloPicaso 14:15, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  26. Well the Griever looks like a cross..... and im a muslim!! BLK.MAGE.MOG 15:43, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  27. Fenrir gets my vote. He be damn sexy :D -- Copycatloki 19:36, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  28. Just take a look at Fenrir's 'Blood Of Bahamut' artwork, and wow. Plus, I love Summons in general. Dan-Iota 20:05, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  29. Obviously Fenrir. Griever was just full of suck. Swinubble 22:20, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
  30. Loner coming through! Also aiming for a draw here. Revyielle 21:46, January 3, 2010 (UTC+8)
  31. Go FFVII Sunpanda2012 15:47, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
  32. It is common knowledge wolves kick ass... just saying. Acrum92 18:32, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
  33. Because i say so. There is no better reason.Seraphim IX 18:38, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
  34. At least there's something lone wolf about Cloud. There is nothing remotely lion-like in Squalls' personality (IE: no 'emo lion) unless this is some Wizard of Oz reference, though it was the straw man who was missing the brain... T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 121.73.39.215 04:01, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
  2. I like Fenrir and just look at him, he is a mighty wolf!!! and he is a very good summon to.§81.236.140.102 08:11, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
  3. As much as I like Griever, I'm gonna have to go with Fenrir here. 206.248.85.113

18:01, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Good fight! FaythOfFenrir 22:52, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well.... Im curious... What happened to Garland vs. Gabranth ?? Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx

hey bjarnster, this is completely off topic but how did you get that little image of the black mage next to your name? dont worry im not going to steal it i want an image of something else. Supercrap Thief-ff1-psx 22:38, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Oh well its pretty easy, just write your username and end it like your about to put and image onto a page, just put Image:Something and it shouldnt be that hard, you can also just copy mine and put in another image.BjarnsterしびBlackmage-ff1-psx 18:36, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Bjarn, i got it after experimenting for awhile. Supercrap Thief-ff1-psx 08:46, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
No problem dude. (BTW if you got it than just ignore the instructions on your talk page :P)(unless you got it from that x))BjarnsterしびBlackmage-ff1-psx
Gone. On another vote, tough choice. In terms of their related characters, Cloud is better than Squall. As creatures, Griever is better than Fenrir. Hmm.... Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:39, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, that fight was just a desperate fan of the DNC vandalising the page with his own fight he chose. ; ) --On another note, after I submitted my entry I realised my username here isn't actually my full username, but the initials. The L and the H stand for "Lion Heart" and the "I"s stand for nothing. Lion Heart sorta originated from Griever.  ILHI 23:41, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Anyone with brains knows what your name means ILHI -- Kyrel 23:45, December

28, 2009 (UTC)

Well at least we dint get another X v. XII fight xD Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx 23:54, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it wonderful how most of the time somebody has to jump in and create their own fight to make TacticAngel remember to make one himself? In order to have these things go on some semblance of a schedule, I'll be sure to make my own fight next Monday and every Monday following until this starts to run properly. It doesn't take much to run the DNC, actually just making a fight every week is all it takes. Is that so hard, TacticAngel? A half hour of time a week? Perhaps you should join me in retirement. --BlueHighwind 00:11, December 29, 2009 (UTC) --BlueHighwind

Well said BlueHighwind 96.234.74.96 00:33, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the fellow Dragoon. Is it that hard to change a fight once a week? TheBlueDragoon 01:10, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Dumb luck, actually. I looked at the fight this morning and realized I'd let it go too long. I didn't even see that someone wanted to forfeit their vote until I was already finished making the new template. <3 T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 01:45, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that TA. I think I went overboard. My apologies. Hopefully the forfeiting vote wasn't directed at me? TheBlueDragoon 01:52, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
He means me. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:06, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Have we actually determined why TacticAngel can let a fight go on for four weeks? If he's just not bothered why doesn't someone who actually remembers it's a weekly fight run the DNC? 92.26.109.92 17:40, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Don't you know that the FA, FI and the DNC are run on roughly the same schedule? We extend their duration equally so the other project doesn't look tardy :P 8bit 19:12, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

But I assume the FA and FI are monthly whereas the DNC is pressumably a weekly thing? Just wondering really. 92.26.109.92 22:44, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

It's supposed to be yes. Lately the DNC changes whenever TA happens to be around to change it.
I noticed. I tell you though, this is one good interesting fight. Two emblems. Its a good idea. TheBlueDragoon 23:55, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Does it need to be said? Maybe I'm a Lion. TheBlueDragoon 01:46, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

We need a fight between Sephiroth and Genesis. It already happened in Crisis Core. Genesis lost. Genesis vs. Kuja ftw.Neo Bahamut 09:36, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

BATTLE OF THE MEANINGLESS SYMBOLISM!Neo Bahamut 06:33, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

May I point out that while Genesis lost the Crisis Core fight, Angeal was hanging onto his arm for around half of it? I too wish for Genesis vs Kuja. Greiver looks to have this one based on current results.--Swmystery 10:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

You may, but you'd be incorrect. Angeal only stepped in to stop them from destroying the place. Sephiroth was clearly having very little trouble fending of Genesis's attacks while he was clearly getting desperate.Neo Bahamut 19:01, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yawn...let's get this over with, so many other fights that are better than this one, like Celes vs. Kain! ThaneThamasa 17:51, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, let's get rid of this fight between two overrated characters for a fight between two other overrated characters! FFTA-job-timemageMStarkMaximumFFTA-job-timemageNM 19:34, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Or we could stop throwing the word "overrated" around like confetti. Just sayin'. Well...you all know which fight I want to see. Frankly, I'm getting tired of all of these matching games with some absurd basis. When you have a suggestion with 2 characters who have a great deal in common, one of which has not appeared in the DNC yet, & there's a decent amount of support for it, why on Earth would you keep rehashing ideas like "Ashe vs. Yuna," "Griever vs. Fenrir," "Silence vs. Darkness," "Biggs vs. Wedge," which turned out to be voted on based almost entirely on Star Wars, & my personal favorite, the fight between 2 XIII characters before the damn game even came out.Neo Bahamut 19:52, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

To all those who think it is the nature of wolves and lions to be lonesome, let me point something out to you that you may have missed: both wolves and lions hunt in packs. “Strength and Vigilance vs. Loneliness and Guilt.” What a great selling point for Fenrir! Do you want too be strong and vigilant, or lonely and guilt-stricken? Also, "Loneliness" is misspelled (Lonliness). I might just make the correction myself.CodeNameRedXIII 17:58, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, SNAP!Neo Bahamut 19:52, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
CodeNameRedXIII may have just become my favorite editor on this Wiki for his fantastic points. FFTA-job-timemageMStarkMaximumFFTA-job-timemageNM 19:56, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Despite that fact that I voted,this seems like another "Squall vs Cloud" thing. Naruto195 21:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

It pretty much is, which I wouldn't mind, provided we didn't have other, more creative ideas in the waiting. Also, some of the voters--just WTF, people? Lions hunt in the dark as well. Fenrir--the mythological Fenrir--was not a "little wolf." It killed Odin. That's all I got for now, but I'm sure I'll get more soon.Neo Bahamut 07:00, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
"Has Sephiroth ever merged with Fenrir?" Ah, I was waiting to see when we'd get to the boss--unless we have already, I haven't really been reading the votes--of course he hasn't. The symbol did not exist in FFVII, & it would be rather nonsensical in context. Sephiroth hasn't had a mental battle with Cloud since the end of FFVII, so there's been no opening for any abstract shit like that. Also, Sephiroth is much stronger than Cloud, able to easily anticipate & counter his movements without breaking a sweat. He wasn't getting desperate like Ultimecia. As to which is more powerful...Supernova.Neo Bahamut 20:58, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Ultimecia was fought three times,herself,junction eed to Grevir and a final time. Sephiroth is fought two,both are much more difficult then all of her forms. But thats off topic. THe guy saying "Has Sephiroth ever merged with Fenrir" sounds dumb,I mean come on. Naruto195 03:51, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hey purple bahamut, you know the kingdom hearts 2 weapon "fenrir" is modeled after a motorcycle key right? Supercrap Thief-ff1-psx 10:23, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering what "purple Bahamut" meant, then I saw the user. I don't know if it's a "motorcycle key" per se. That style of key--forget what it's called--seems to be more prevelent nowadays than the skeleton key, which most of the Keyblades are modelled after. Also, I have 2 other things to say: (1) "Griever." Something tells me that's probably derived from "grieve," meaning that the symbols probably mean approximately the same thing. (2) I think that the Garland vs. Gabranth fight was a much better idea. They're both fallen knights with versatile weapons...oh, alright, & they're bothed tecked out from head-to-toe in armor. I should find that fight in the suggestions page & vote it up.Neo Bahamut 03:20, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
Actually it is, i remember reading about it somewhere, & i looked up motorcycle key images & they do in fact look like the kingdom hearts weapon "fenrir". It is a reference to clouds motorcycle in advent children(obviously). Oh & who is Gabranth? I havent played all the games yet so i dont know all the characters. Supercrap Thief-ff1-psx04:23, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
He's from XII. Honestly, I'd probably vote Garland. But everyone knows which fight I'm throwing my support behind, so yeah. Anyway, you're probably right, but I'm pretty sure the type of key is used for most modern locks, not just ignition on a motorcycle.Neo Bahamut 04:37, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, i havent played 12 yet so that explains it. Oh, & not everyone knows what fight your talking about ;) Your right about the key, most moderns locks use that type of key, but there are differences between the keys to door locks, car locks, motorcycle ignitions...you get my point. Supercrap Thief-ff1-psx00:48, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Who would win in a fight, a flying lion-like monster, or a Motorcycle??. BjarnsterしびBlackmage-ff1-psx 13:03, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Haha. That's what I based my vote on. TheBlueDragoon 19:39, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm really wondering if anybody at Square knows that wolves are loyal pack animals. Lions are also in prides. Squall and Cloud need more loner type animals for their personality representations.Terran

Neo Bahamut, sorry about forgetting FFVII timelines about fenrir and all that (I still uphold that ultimecia is better overall though, 4 part battle vs. 2 part battle, though my party isn't exactly built for endurance) and I actually think that pale horse is more dangerous than Supernova. Ever tried to vaccinate a party member and having Sephiroth target said party member before using a vaccine, it guards against esuna as well. And just a bit of common sense here, if Sephiroth is stronger than Cloud then how come Sephiroth always loses (and don't say Cloud's allies as it was a duel in Advent Children which Cloud won on his own) 19:00 January 4, 2010

I wasn't arguing whether or not she was "better," I just implied at one point that she's less powerful. Albert Einstein once said that "common sense is the collection of prejudices one gains over the course of their lifetime." Something peculiar about Sephiroth is how lazy he is. Safer Sephiroth barely moves when you fight him. He occasionally bashes you in the head with a havoc wing or casts a spell. That's about it. In human form, he's a bit faster and more energetic, but you can still plainly see that he easily blocks all of his enemies' blows while they're constantly on the defensive. By the end of his fights, his enemies are often exhausted, while he's no worse for the wear. He also seems to want to keep Cloud alive so that he can keep up his mental torture schemes. As if the visual cues aren't enough, Tetsuya Nomura spelled it out in an interview once, saying that "there is no character in FFVII more powerful than Sephiroth" and that in Advent Children, he "wasn't even trying." So, then, Sephiroth does not lose to the power of friendship, as the old cliche goes, but due to the most common flaw in drama: Hubris. That's the long version. The short version would be "the writers want it that way."Neo Bahamut 02:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Bah, Kuja could kick Sephiroth's ass easy. Silver Dragon XXVIII 23:51, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, because he's a DBZ villain.Neo Bahamut 02:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, this is a huge blowout. I figured it would have been a closer matchup. TheBlueDragoon 20:30, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Great fight, sadly most of the vote are more like FFVII X FFVIII or Cloud X Squall than Griever X FenrirRedeemer & Destroyer 01:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

wow that ended sadly i didn't think there would be that much of a landslide between the two.Guardian of terra 18:31, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


Week 136: Ashe v. YunaEdit

DNC Versus
FFX Artwork Yuna
WINNER!
Yuna
69 to 57 1/2
Both of these leading ladies come from a game that is divisible by the number two. They also wear wild combinations of clothing that would never go together in reality, heavy on the pink white and blue... but really, which wears it better? WINNER!
FFX Artwork Yuna

Votes for AsheEdit

  1. Both are pretty good characters, but FFXII's Sequel is way better than FFX's, and Ashe is way cooler than Yuna. Yuna needs her Aeons to fight, Ashe does it herself(at least until you get access to Blk Magic Spheres in FFX)  Uppfinnarn (U/T) 08:46, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Because she's superior in every way. Ashe is badass Drake Clawfang 23:24, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Haven'te playede bothe games, bute I side withe Ashe. Jeffrey 15:34, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
  4. I haven't played either game. But Ashe has a shorter skirt than even X-2 Yuna. And she's a princess. Is Yuna a princess? Terran 5::20, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
  5. If this were actual combat, Ashe would definitely win, being superior to Yuna stat-wise. VoidCommanderExdeath 00:29, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  6. I do like Yuna, but I think I like Ashe just a little bit more Moocowisi 00:37, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Oh Lord. Its Lady Ashe! How can I vote against her? One of my favorite FF girls! TheBlueDragoon 01:06, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Ashe inherited an entire kingdom, not a crappy sequel. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  9. Because she doesn't need constant babysitting to be effective unlike X!Yuna, and the only thing I'll ever vote for from X-2 is Paine BlaqheartGIG 03:16, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  10. I'll concede that Yuna is very well developed, but I'm still going with Ashe. She may be a jerkass, but she put Vaan in his place. More than once. That's more than enough to earn a vote from me. Also, I love Kari Wahlgren.ClixPsi 04:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Hedy Buress's voice acting absolutely ruined a cutsceen or two. Maybe Yuna, Tidus, and I can all scream together...ApatheticAngel 23:07, December 2,2009 (UTC)
  12. Yuna is based on an annoying japanese steriotype. Ashe is an original character with a detailed backstory. MadHatter1284 06:11, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  13. Better character with better character development, more likable, cooler, and even better fanservice despite Yuna having an entire game devoted to it. Only thing I see in Yuna's favor is the fact that her Aeons causes perhaps the best power trip in the series, which isn't quite enough to sway me. RadLink5 08:34, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Definitely Ashe. Kuzlalala 09:26, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  15. Ashe by far. A.X.A 10:49, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Cloudgauntlet 13:54, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Yuna may have slightly more character, but Ashe is hotter and more badass. The Man In The Black Cape 15:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  18. Sword? Check. White Magic? If you let her, check. That's good enough for me. Pikmin Master 16:17, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  19. A good fight. Yay.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 16:43, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  20. Ashe is the main character of the XII - Revenant Wings series. She's also one of the few notable Time Mages, with extremely useful buffing and meteorite-evoking spells in the latter game. Who else gets to wield pyrotechnics, hmm? 8bit 17:01, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Her outfit doesn't really fit her regal posture, but I love how she is a strong yet compassionate woman, and not a teenage airhead like Yuna. SamSandy 18:13, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Ashe beats Yuna, just a by a hair (She has swords, Yuna has staffs)Blackheart1991 18:43, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  23. I want those boots. AstrialJam 02:58, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  24. FFXII is the best Final Fantasy ever and Yuna is the worst main female character ever. Also swords beat staves in every way. KaiserPaladin 06:04, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  25. I liked Yuna in the original FFX. I thought she had a great storyline (albeit, a bit christ-like for my tastes, but still good). But I felt Ashe was stronger as a character. She was torn between saving her people, or becoming the thing she was fighting against: a totalitarian. She defied her own fate, and for that, I give her props and my vote.CodeNameRedXIII 06:18, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  26. Blykus 07:39, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Like her more - Ash Crimson - 08:22, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  28. OMG!! I can't even hear yuna's name!! (when I was playing in FFX, I was going to die!! I was like: wait, Tidus is the hero, right? they supposed to give him some interesting and love.. but all you can hear and see is the lady summoner!! the people in the game are like: lady summoner!!, thank god that the lady summoner is here, how about to eat your breakfast here lady summoner? HELP me lady summoner!!, lady summoner!! because of you I had a headache!!, lady summoner please go to the hell, lady summoner BLAH BLAH!!) but YAAAAY for Ashe! she's a great queen, and she can fight and not depend on the others like some lady summoners some girls~ Regoli 18:20, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  29. Leogon255 00:26, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  30. Yuna is whiny and bratty. Ashe knows what the fuck she's doing more than half the time. ミランダウエツド 06:36, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Oh, if there were female protagonists worth mentioning, Ashe is one of them, Terra(FFVI) is my ultimate vote though. For Yuna, well, she's too much of a feminine stereotype, lots of story, bit overdone. Her character doesn't really arc too much and doesn't really resolve even with her own sequel...think: losing your first husband after you just got married, the fate of a nation on your hands, being hated as much as being loved by the masses, that's a lot of s**t! She's awesome at the frontline(spear, sword and shield, longsword) and excellent as support (White + Green, for me)...she looks like a paladin, maybe? ThaneThamasa 15:54, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  32. I have to go for Ashe here, mainly for their choice in boyfriends. Basch beats Tidus every time, showing Yuna's lack of common sense The Wild Rose 16:38, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  33. She is royalty... Leon5550 02:12, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Silver Mage Ω 12:55, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
  35. I have to side with AsheSunpanda2012 02:04, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
  36. Have to side with Ashe on this one. Her overall usefullness is ten fold that of mistress summoner Yuna. Jakuro
  37. I want a tie (though i might prefer Ashe a litte bit) and Ashe is losing so...--Flaremmm 03:41, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
  38. I have really only heard of Ashe.+onionknight+
  39. If anyone knows a thing about me, this should be obvious. Holy shit, I mean I love Yuna and all but is just WINS! I mean, the best character from the best game in FF, she's THE best character in FF. --wee187 17:12, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  40. I'd have to go with Ashe. Sorry Yuna, but I prefer all-rounders (I don't play the International Version though I want to but I don't enjoy English voice actings and that I'm scared of making bad mistakes that'll affect my game really badly as I've done a year ago on the original.) (No offence intended.) and that, well, if I needed to change her weapons etc, I can do it without much trouble or eating turns away and that it's much easier to finish the License Board compared to the Sphere Grid. And for once, couple-like love isn't a reason why they're fighting. (I never played all of them, so I don't know about the rest.) - Revyielle
  41. Mysidian Nomad 23:07, December 9, 2009 (UTC) White mages are worthless in one-on-one battles Ashe at least has some power and doesn't need a full party to be any good.
  42. ...Don't care much for either of them, actually. So I'm pushing for the tie. -- Saethori (T / C) - 04:08, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
  43. Ashe was a far better female lead than Yuna ever was, and its nice having a good strong female lead since Terra from VI, so my vote has to go for Ashe. SOLDIER 1st Class Lance 04:56, December 11, 2009 (GMT)
  44. She's just a stronger character than yuna. Judge Balthier 15:45, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
  45. Vohaul86I did like "Amalia" better, but Ashe is still a pretty good character. Not your everyday damsel in distress and quite similar (in a good way) to Celes.
  46. Close vote for me but I still have to go with Ashe. It's not every game that you get someone who is willing to fight for their captured kingdom. Usually, someone in her position would be made to work it out on the sidelines but she's right at the head of the insurgence(resistance, sorry). Also, she was focused on her objective and gave time to think of the best option at the moment. Don't get me wrong, Yuna is an awesome character too and I could rant about how cool she is. But I just like Ashe better. MisfitAirship
  47. Stay away from the summoner! - Red Silvers
  48. Stay away from FFX in general. Discordius 23:22, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  49. She pretty much said "Screw the rules I have money faith in the deceased" and essentially flipped off not one, but several physical (kind of) gods, she then went on to completely foul up their plans, and helped take down a flying fortress. And on top of that, in Revenant Wings, she gets a kick ass battleship, and full control over Basch/Gabranth. Exdeath64 09:16, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
  50. Boogum 20:55,
  51. Ashe was Princess Leia. Yuna was Padme as a hooker. Think about it.--Wavesteel 04:31, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
  52. Ashe cuz she knows how to handle a sword ;). -BowlOfRice
  53. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 98.252.217.59 04:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Ashe is stronger. 121.223.166.167 06:08, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  3. <3 64.56.0.140 01:41, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Ashe is much cuter81.193.206.121 12:02, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
  5. I like them both, but I'm siding with Ashe here. 74.213.126.62 22:54, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
  6. There are so many reasons why Ashe is better than Yuna...114.162.150.10 15:33, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Sorry Yuna but Ashe makes me want to get beaten up by a woman.......wait.......63.139.176.68 13:39, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Ashe is amazing, I loved XII, and I want to slaughter Yuna with the fiery passion of 1,000 suns. Need I say more? 76.105.91.246 12/08/09
  9. The Queen wins out, just by a smidgen. 70.76.67.169 16:47, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Votes for YunaEdit

  1. Yuna rocks! FaythOfFenrir 23:19, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Because Yuna was cool until her horrid spinoff and because I found all the FF12 characters to be very bland. JohnnyC
  3. Ignoring the ricdiculous sequel and the exchange of added personality at the cost of clothing, Yuna is more likeable than Ashe ever was(I wished somone punched her in the stomach in XII). Though I find XII's cast as a whole to be a bit better than X's despite the fact they're a much staler lot. AnonyMan 00:02, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Yuna, she can summon f'n Anima AND Bahaumut. what more could you want?Ishotsteve 00:36, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Even not ignoring that ridiculous sequel, Yuna is better. Ashe never did a backflip while going trigger happy (to my knowledge,) and that alone settles it as far as I'm concerned. The.DreadnoughT 00:38, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  6. BlueHighwind : My roommate decided this one. He says "because I have no idea who the fuck Ashe is". I was leaning this way anyway.
  7. Yuna has far better fashion sense. I mean, really, steel knee-highs with a hot pink miniskirt? *Z-snap.*Neo Bahamut 02:20, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  8. I couldn't really decide, so I just flipped a coin. Sorry Ashe. Modedan 02:57, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  9. It has to be Yuna for me (asuming this is X and not X-2). I have great repect for Yuna. She doesnt need to wear skimpy clothing to get respect from players and she is all you need in a character. it is easy to bring her stats up to above all other characters with her strength even passing Auron. Best fight in a while by the way.lordflare 22:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
  10. Ugh, I usually try to vote for the underdog if at all possible, but I've got to go with Yuna here. Yuna at least has character; Ashe has a recycled storyline that I've seen and read dozens of times already. Ashe simply doesn't have the complexity that Yuna does, even if her counterpart Tidus is about as interesting as a stick (although Vaan is even less so, so...). Nokareon
  11. As much as I love both of them, Yuna takes the cake. She can summon, she can cast White Magic, yeah, she rocks. Dont get me wrong, Ashe can do the same thing if you give her the right crap, but Yuna starts off with it. So easy win. SuperGuyverUSA 12:45, 3 December, 2009 (UTC)
  12. While I do love both of the characters, I love Yuna more. If I don't think about FFX-2, it never existed to me... Yuna will always be a sweet and reserved summoner in my eyes. Who is that trashy, gunslinging broad? Violetmage♥ 13:45, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  13. I like both of these characters, but Yuna just a bit more. I think her storyline is much deeper with her knowing the whole time she's going to die, and accepting it etc. Ashe is just hell-bent on vengence. ...and I have to say though their both hot, Yuna's opening scene in X-2 is just amazing with her going gun crazy. Also, how can you vote against a summoner in a game with decent summons? Overall I think Yuna takes this fight, thought it's one of the better fights I've seen recently. Bond em7 13:50, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Yuna is one of my favorite female characters. Not many seventeens-year-old's have her determination and sense of duty. Ashe is alright but I couldn't really get into her character. Go Yuna!--StragusLore 14:37, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  15. I guess Yuna was just the better character. Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx 14:43, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  16. You can't NOT vote for Yunie... FinalAnnihilator 14:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Two bimbos.. but at least Yuna's concept design is cute. Ashe is dull in everyway. -- Kyrel 15:28, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  18. XII had a sever lack of interesting characters, with Ashe at the head of it, she was incredibly shallow with what little development being completely cliche of her roll... Yuna's development had a direct impact on the story, as her original views conflicted heavily with what she eventually needed to do, Ashe's development could be completely removed from XII and the story wouldn't change... Yuna wins this one Zuken 15:56, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  19. I hate Ashe. --Billylemmon 18:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  20. One of the best females in the entire series; plus, her relationship with Tidus never fails to make me weep (pretending X-2 never happened). - Paramina 18:30, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Acrum92 I always used Yuna way more than Ashe. 18:37, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Much as Ashe had good character development - that's not saying much for ff12, is it? Yuna is a far more important character in the actual gameplay and used what i consider to be the best summoning system on any ff. ffx-2 was god awful but let's forget that... BritPenance 21:26, December 3 2009 (UTC)
  23. Yuna all the way!!!!!! Mainly because Ive never played 12 in the first place. But Yuna could summon Anima who is my favorite summon. Theres more reasons but I dont feel like typing them Randomnessity 16:24, December 3 2009 (UTC)
  24. Didn't play XII but Yuna is awesome. She went from the quiet little summoner to a sexy badass with guns.--DarkTriforce 01:14, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  25. Yuna is the best female character in the entire series. And can someone please explain to me why Ashe is picking her nose? Xaphnir 02:01, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  26. I vote for Yuna. I haven't really played FFXII but I love playing FFX-2. I like summoners lol. --Sencilia 04:17, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Yuna is so much better then Ashe its like no contest Mr_Darkside 06:38, 4 December, 2009 (UTC)
  28. They're both pretty cool, but Yuna has better character development. The wedding scene is also epic. CheeseNinja 08:08, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  29. I pick the badass hot trigger happy Summoner any day over a Time Mage so i vote for Yuna D.Dark. 14:54, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  30. Because Yuna actually has character development...even if it goes downhill. - Henryacores^ 16:04, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Yuna ftw :D - SilverSummonerTaLk 16:40, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  32. FF74EVA! 20:39, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
  33. This is quite hard but i like 10 better so i'll vote for Yuna NeoExdeath 01:58, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Rinoa leonheart 06:24, December 5, 2009 (UTC) Go yuna o yeah
  35. I them both, but I like Yuna better.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 16:15, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
  36. Yuna is better than someone i dont know :D </onlyinclude>Flaming AmarantAmarant</onlyinclude>
17:54, Dec 5 2003
  1. Yuna actually has a personality, and an ever-developing one at that. Most 12 'characters' were as bland as my latest dump Bluesilver 09:58, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Yuna is just a way better character than Ashe. Except in X-2. But I just like to think that X-2 never happened, and that the trio of fairies in Kingdom Hearts II aren't there. Oathkeeper of oblivion 03:17, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
  3. For Yojimbo and Bahamut. Restraz
  4. No Doubt Basillisk 03:44, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Yuna was a great character, before X-2. Ashe never was. Terra_Homing 04:33, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  6. I agree with Terra Homing, she was a great character in FFX, but in FFX-2... Anyway, more one vote for the great summoner Yuna!!! Ltfabretti Dragoon 12:08, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Yuna is so much better than ASShe, ASShe was just a generic peice of crap. Yuna actually had emotion as long as we are talking about Final Fantasy X. Seraphim IX 18:24, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Yuna is better, Ashe is boring as hellSenour Dakota 19:28, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  9. While she begins too strait-laced for me, she does open up and become her own person; I even like her in X-2. Ashe, on the other hand, I never warmed to, though the same could be said for the whole FFXII cast (bar Balthier) TomServo101 22:11, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  10. She's Yuna. 'Nuff said. Psduckie 23:05, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Munk451 What can i say? Yuna owns and she has her own game, unlike that FF12 rubbish!
  12. The Rood InverseYuna got more depth and character. Allso, she's a spellcaster :P
  13. I found Yuna little bit boring in FFX, but I am one of the few, who actualy played FFX-2 and enjoyed it, and I liked FFX-2 Yuna much more than Ashe... MMLN メーマウリアン 13:28, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Ashe= NO Character. Mako Angel
  15. Had Ashe been the main character more… officially, she could have been worth it. But Yuna'll always be first in my heart, anyway. -Alarielle- 21:29, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Becuase of the cool guitar solo that SHOULD have been her theme instead. --Gerdat14 00:59, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Because Yuna is a WM, because she is a summoner, because she's in the better game, because she has the better VA, because she has the better clothing, (Though I'll give Ashe the 'Best ass in the series award') better boobs, better ending, better sequel, (Yes, X-2 is better than XII:RW) and because she's better looking. Did I mention that her theme is better, and that 17 is a hotter age than 19? 1stclasswarrior 13:14, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
  18. Yuna to win :) Kevio 03:38, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Because Yuna would just throw Anima at Ashe, and she'd be dead in seconds. Even without her aeons, with Nirvana, she can kill anything, just throwing Holy and Curaga around like crazy. Intercision 10:06, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  20. Anima. Just, Anima, dude. Also Bahamut and the Magus Sisters. The FFXII Espers just can't compare. --BlueBard December 16, 2009 (UTC)
  21. YUNA CAN FLOAT ON WATER!!!!!Andokito 14:45, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Yunie is more attractive than Ashe,and really love her!!!!!Slencia .12:09, December 18, 2009 (UTC)~~
  23. Ashe was pretty badass, while Yuna less-so (excluding FFX-2), but this made Yuna a much more developed character. As much as I like Ashe; I have to give my vote for Yunie :P --Jeremy the White Rogue 10:52, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
  24. I do like both characters, but I'm going to have to go with Yuna, since she has more personality and style than the Lady Ashe does. Hytey 19:27, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
  25. I'm gonna have to vote for Yuna as well. The reason being: I don't like XII very much (this is my personal opinion, I do not wish to upset the XII fanboys/fangirls). Yuna is a summoner and a white mage, two of my favorite job classes, whereas Ashe is not given any specialty at all. Also, Yuna is more sexy than Ashe. rydia's long lost brother 22:32, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
  26. Yuna...simply because I think she would win. She is a Summoner/White Mage and has several other classes due to the Dressphere system of X-2 too XD Besides...I like her outfits <D - Copycatloki 13:58, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Yuna's stpry is a lot more interesting and involving Oni Dark Link 21:21, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
  28. I love summoning, and what with Valefor, Anima and Yojimbo, along with my favourites Ixion and Shiva, she could easily outclass Ashe and beat her in any battle. Dan-Iota 07:45, DEcember 28, 2009
  29. Ashe is probably the most babely character in the Final Fantasy series, but that hardly gives her the upper hand in the fight. Yuna would shred her on this fight 110%. No contest. TheReturner 03:57, December 28, 2009

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 68.84.38.98 11:16, December 3, 2009 (UTC) Yuna is more useful and overall a better character than Ashe.
  2. 173.25.217.113 13:32, December 3, 2009 (UTC)" Without a doubt Yuna wins by a landslide! Ashe is such a shallow character, you barely get to know here, but Yuna is so in depth and lovable! AND I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I can't how much Ashe gasps in cut scenes so annoying!
  3. Yuna is just awesome, she's just soooooo much better than Ashe and in the better game in my opinion, plus, Summons rock!125.161.164.196
  4. She has good attitude and she are summoning very very cool eons, especially Yojimbo and Anima!!!!81.236.140.102 14:30, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  5. I really hate Final Fantasy XII... 142.26.457.113
  6. Yuna was pretty awesome in X, and I enjoyed her in X-2 too. Asche was pretty disappointing in both FFXII and Revenant Wings. Vote for Yunie~ #64.188.137.16 06:08, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Yuna is far superior in my personal opinion. Her character is much more complex and interesting on so many levels. 192.168.254.4 14:20, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Without a doubt Yuna. Final Fantasy X is incredibly dear to me and Yuna is a significant part of that fact. 70.143.81.18.

Peanut GalleryEdit

Week 135: Fran v. KimahriEdit

Fran
DNC Versus
FFX Kimahri Art
WINNER!
Fran
63 1/2 to 37
Sometimes vaguely monstrous members join your humble party. Were you to lead a quest against Chaos (et al.) who would you rather take? WINNER!
Fran

Votes for FranEdit

  1. If I had to choose the best ally, I'd have to go with Fran. Longbow trumps halberd any day. But only in the real world. Otherwise, this would be impossible to decide.--Werefang[T/A] 23:35, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Oh man... I know I may be in a minority, but I think both of these characters are useless. Fran has all-around lower stats, and Kimahri is ultimately a copy-cat. So, based on overall character, I'll go with Fran. If she was good enough for Balthier, then she's good enough for me.--ClixPsi 23:38, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  3.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 23:42, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Tis Fran. It doesn't need to be explained. TheBlueDragoon 23:58, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Munk451 Fran, Just because she is awesome, and not to mention archers are more effective then lancers in FF12, because they can always hit flying monsters.
  6. Rinoa leonheart 00:38, November 12, 2009 (UTC)" go Fran go Fran go Fran go Fran go Fran GO!!!!!!
  7. BlueHighwind : Well, DUH! Do you expect me to disrespect the glory of Lady Edea for some incredibly boring FFIV villain that gave me disquieting vibes of Exdeath?
  8. Come onnnnnnnn lucky, Aunty Fran needs a landslide!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 01:05, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  9. WTF happened to the old fight? This is more confusing than a thirty-second Zerg Rush...when playing Command & Conquer. Anyhow, it's like this: I use Fran when playing XII. I don't use Kimahri, ever. Everything Kimahri is good for, someone else can do faster, better and more reliably (except three things: 1- failing at being a Dragoon; 2- failing at being a Blue Mage; and 3- failing at life) without needing a full Overdrive gauge first. The.DreadnoughT 01:38, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  10. SSFF6B 5:39, November 11, 2009
  11. There are too many reasons why she's better than Kimahri - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:09, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  12. I have to agree with Deadlyslashsword. Kindran Ornitier 03:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  13. Freaks them both in my book. But Kimahri comes packed with FFX and Sphere Grid. Yet I do recognize his credit for not speaking much. The other characters could've followed the example.Discordius 04:32, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  14. I dislike the FFXII characters, as always. Gameplay wise, I would say that Kimahri has a lot of potential, but he's really awkward to use. Not so much with Fran. I'm going to have to go with her on this one.Neo Bahamut 05:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  15. First, she's a Viera, who, as I know, agile. Second, not that I'm a pervert, but she's hot! Kuzlalala 09:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Both are weak in the party, but i like Fran because she's so Brilliant. She even discarded wood and village.^.^ A.X.A 12:53, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Love that scene where Fran goes Berserk. Kimahri disappointed that Kimahri not have single moment of badassrey. Violetmage♥ 13:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  18. Fran was more useful - Ash Crimson 13:27, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Kimahri's somehow boring, I prefer Fran much more.. Regoli 14:01, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  20. I actually use Fran. I never used Kimahri except that fight where you had to use him. Bjarnster Blackmage-ff1-psx
  21. Im not giving Kimahri any kind of pity vote Mr_Darkside 14:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
  22. The Rood Inverse 15:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC) I love her levelheaded coolnes and air of mystisism. She has a much coler voice than kimahri and much better lines (she actualy got lines :P ). Wish she was a caster rather than a archer, tho. Maby a bit to similar to Lulu?
  23. kimahri sucks...end of story. SE did a good thing when they decided to make the biran and yenke fight based on kimahri's strength otherwise none of us would have ever passed that part because we never used kimahri. fran was a good sidekick to balthier and i loved her voice, and her sense of confidence.
  24. Well Fran obviously, I mean even Penelo is more useful than Kimahri. Setzcole 15:37, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  25. I didn't use either, but Kimahri was the single character that didn't have a specific enemy he could just destroy that other members couldn't (like every other party memeber you got besides yuna, and she at least had her summons and healing) His normal abilities were subpar and the abilities that should have been for every-turn use ended up as his overdrive, he also offered the least to the story with a measly conflict between him, biron, and yanke ranking as the peak of his story involvment. Fran has a slight edge to him in every one of those categories, plus more charm and personality.Zuken 16:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  26. I'm all for Kimahri but sorry, Fran happens to be one of my favourite characters in the series :)
  27. This is going to be a crushing defeat for Kimahri anyway, but here's my opinion: Kimahri is not entirely useless, but, due to the presence of Auron, he is superfluous, while Fran is, herself, fairly useless, but she does wear That Outfit. Which means that this is going to be another one-sided fight. The Man In The Black Cape 17:31, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  28. I'm voting for that berserker, Fran. when she went ape-shit on the entire crew of the Shiva (it was the Shiva, right?), i just sat back and smiled. that's right. that's the entire reason i'm voting for her, and no other.CodeNameRedXIII 17:49, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  29. Oh Heck Yeah! Fran is easily one of my favorites! She kicks alot of butt, she can use Magic(ks) when you first get to play as her, and she knows a whole lot of stuff! She can come in handy. SuperGuyverUSA 12:52, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  30. Never played FFX so I'll stick with the one I know Bruntie2 20:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Sunpanda2012 21:59, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  32. FF74EVA! 01:07, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  33. Fran has so many votes for her, it's pointless to give a reason in my part. Pikmin Master 01:47, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Kimahri... when did he show up..? Fran at least is good for humor. MadHatter1284 04:55, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  35. Absolutely in favour for Fran. Kimahri spent more time warming the bench than in the party... MMLN メーマウリアン 08:46, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  36. X is my favorite game ever and I like Kimarhi but Fran is one of my favorite FF chars. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 11:13, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  37. They're both supposed to be "jack of all trades" characters, but Fran is immediately useful, whereas you have to bend your ass over backwards to make Kimahri more than a pinch-hitter for Auron. Hyacynth 16:59, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  38. Fran really helped on FF XII, I never even used Kimarhi Acrum92 18:22, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  39. BigSlurp : Fran for sure. She simply kciks mad behind, which is something that Ronso fool never could really achieve.
  40. It's funny how FFTogether had a Khimari vs Fran just three weeks ago. My decision has not changed. I vote for Fran. Fran>Kimahri, and FFXII>FFX. --wee187 21:52, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  41. Fran has proved alot more useful than Kimahri, I'd rather vote for her. Also, FFXII is better than FFX :D User: ZaFlareStar 11:50, November 14, 2009
  42. I made a lot more use of Fran, so vote has to be for her despite the fact i appear to be one of those rare people who has nothing against Kimahri (and despite the fact X is better than XII) BritPenance 10:00, November 14,2009 (UTC)
  43. No doubt about it. Peanutthephantom 20:02, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
  44. This is a hard choice as I like both of them. Still, Auron can pick up Kimahri's slack with the piercing weapons, but who would replace Fran? Vaan? Bond em7 13:51, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
  45. Loving FFXII right now so I gotta go with Fran, and yes, she did go total Ape shit and that is a win in my book. --Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX 22:47, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
  46. Who the heck is Kimahri? A Desert? Jis 20:43, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
  47. I dont like either of them. In ff12 i use all characters cuase they dont have their own speciality but in ff10 i didnt use kimahri
  48. Is this supposed to be a joke or something? I vote for the one with the hot accent over the one that doesn't speak. Xaphnir 02:41, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
  49. XII was a better game so Fran gets my vote ~~
  50. She hot
  51. At least Fran's some use in her host game. Kimahri can jump under a shoopuf for all I care. Bosola
  52. Khimari may be a beastly dude, but Fran's long distance attacks would just blow him away. +onionknight+
  53. "dat ass". Besides, Kimahri was never useful to me. RadLink5 05:58, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Vieras are made of win. - 81.193.214.49 01:07, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Like 'em both, but I'll go with the one that speaks properly. 64.56.0.140 17:12, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Fran, i get turned on by Vieras IDK why194.210.67.136 14:05, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Votes for KimahriEdit

  1. Khimari can with some effort become absolutely anything! Want an Auron with Wakka's Buster moves? Have him merge into Wakka's SG then go towards Auron's. Want a perfect Supporter? Have him use Tidus and Rikku's SGs. Want a perfect Mage? Use Yuna and Lulu's! The only problem is, if you screw that up you can instead get stuck with a really weak character who can't do either Magic or Physical attacks... And a second character with Hastega is always good!Uppfinnarn (U/T) 21:13, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
  2. The poor little hulk gets a pity vote. AetherWolf 23:48, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Kimahri's more useful then Fran, he uses peircing weapons, has blue mage abilities, and can use ANYONE'S abilities want 2 samurais, use kimahri and auron! (Also, I never use fran!) Blackheart1991 23:53, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Kimahri is cool. People love Stoic Badass who are complete douches but hate a guy like Kimahri for....being a stoic badass(and actually a nice guy). WHAT? He's not that bad gameplay wise. But Fran probably get more votes because some may get distracted by some sort of sex appeal and might not notice her lousy character. Anony
  5. I can't believe this fight got chosen... I also can't believe I'm actually voting for Kimahri. As much as I dislike Kimahri, Fran is just flat... no, not in that way, I mean flat as a character. She's there for sex appeal and to foil Balthier, that's all. Kimahri's not much better, but at least he's not purely fan service. Nokareon
  6. Modedan 00:47, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  7. FaythOfFenrir 00:51, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  8. At least Kimahri deals with Kimahri problems. ;) --Cluna 06 01:33, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  9. I don't like Kimahri much, but he's more interesting than Fran. I like XII but it's characters(with the obvious exception) are not that cool. Plus, picture Kimahri wearing sunglasses, riding a motorcycle, then do the same for Fran.--SkinOfSilver 03:47, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  10. The fact that Fran had a thong on, yet wasn't human sent my mind through a blender. But I always like Kimahri. He was generally badass. SidviciousHart 04:38, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  11. I dislike the clothes that scream "Im a skank" Also, Kimahri looks cool, but as a character who doesn't have proper direction in battle, I don't like him much, but prefer him to Fran Basillisk 09:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  12. I haven't played FFXII so I vote Kimahri. I think he's awesome PLUS he reminds me of a Khajiit. --Sencilia 09:58, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  13. Leave some for Kimahri! What a legend. Poor thing got his whole race wiped out by a man who keeps respawning after you kill him. There isn't much shame in that. "You have angered Kimahri! The spirit of the Ronso will guide Kimahri's spear!' Sinisa26 20:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  14. I'm going with the Dragoon/Blue Mage here. Restraz
  15. I don't like Kimahri, in fact I like Fran more. But I feel sorry for the poor retard hornless of the retard tribe of retard blue one-horned lions. And I wanted to do something different today. Zak Undersn 22:41, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Haven't played very much of XII, but Kimahri was a pretty cool character. Emiga 23:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  17. I can't decide if my vote is to help balance the scales or just to spite Fran. But I guess I like Blue Mages, so that's one point towards whoever this guy is... -- Saethori (T / C) - 03:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  18. I do not really like either of them. I did not use either of them unless i had to but if I had to decide I would go with kimari. At least he was useful at the beginning.Seraphim IX 18:47, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Hornless! Hornless! (Imagine Fran with torn ears) FinalAnnihilator 11:34, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
  20. Masamune: I would be happiest if neither won. In a tie, neither party is the victor. In order to best procure a tie, I will be voting for the character with less votes.
  21. Terran: Blue Mage + Dragoon = Kimahri gets my vote.
  22. Wavesteel: He singlehandedly regain his honor in a fight against two larger opponets. And he has thrust kick.
  23. I dislike Kimahri, but I hate Fran even more. SquallisbetterthanCloud 16:22, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
  24. KIMAHRI! KIMAHRI! KIMAHRI FTW!!! Sorry, I just think he's way too overrated. Oh well, he doesn't have any chance against the hot bunny lady, but... at least he gets my vote. --Finalfreakfantasy 15:29, November 18, 2009 (UTC) 15:28, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
  25. Super Nova is amazing. Intercision 21:05, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
  26. Kimahri hands down, for the fact, minus being a summoner, he can be a physical attacker, a mage, and even a theif, while fran cannot, and also SUPER NOVA CaptainKhaos 21:25 Novemer 19, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Because I actually do like Kimahri, a little. He's not the best FFX character, but I like him better than Ms. Fanservice over there. Plus, I really like spear-wielders, so that's another point for him. Redmage-ff1-nesStarkMaximum
  28. Oh this is so hard, I freaking love Fran but I also love Kimahri... So for the sake of giving Kimahri more votes, I'll vote for him. I love the Blue Mage class and I love the Dragoon class, so Kimahri was a godsend for me. I loved how he was so versatile and could become whatever you wanted him to. As a character he's loveable and sweet, and he's a blue, horned LION man... For goodness' sake, what's not to love? No78
  29. For some reason, I just really liked Kimarhi. He was pretty versatile stat wise, I used him quite a lot really, but he's just an awesome character. I liked Fran, just not as much Bluesilver
  30. Kimarhi has the brawns, the brains, the agility, and the dexterity!!!! I VOTE HIM!!!!!! HAHAHA!!! Emmaus 777-7777
  31. I don't like specially either one, so just because he's losing and as an anti-faping vote Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:37, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
  32. At this point, I doesn't matter what anyone votes, so I flipped a coin BlaqheartGIG 21:06, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
  33. Evade and counter, Counter and counter magic made Kimahri my top healer for all of the higher level fights!! He just dodged everything!! Plus he is the strong and silent type ^_^ FinalFantasyAerith
  34. I never really liked him but he gets my pity vote cuz this is so one-sided Randomnessity
  35. Kimahri definitely. Though I'm not crazy about either, at least I can feel sorry for Kimahri and have a bit of respect for him due to what he has gone through and is willing to do for Yuna. Fran is one of the worst female characters in the series. She is nothing more than fanservice.--StragusLore 17:29, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. I did never use kimari in my team so much but he has a cool attitude so that's why i'll vote for him81.236.140.102 10:54, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  2. I don't particularly have a preference here, but I liked Kimahri enough to vote for him to give him a chance, since it seems he'll be the underdog here. 206.248.110.71 12:32, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
  3. 68.84.38.98 12:47, November 29, 2009 (UTC) I use Kimahri more than Fran, who is my least used character in XII, Kimahri has piercing weapons, good strength, and a good hit rate, all Fran has over him is range.
  4. 203.153.99.209 Pity vote, Pity vote

Week 134: Aeris v. RydiaEdit

Aeris-FFVIIArt
DNC Versus
FFIV-Rydia artwork
WINNER!
DRAW
52 to 57
There's this sort of round robin thing about Aerith fighting other women that people like, perhaps just so people can vote against her. Here's your chance, who will you take, the white mage or the summoner? WINNER!
DRAW
52 to 57

Votes for AerisEdit

  1. Aerith can summon herself with materia, so really there's no advantage. So I go with Aerith.SidviciousHart 01:05, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Rydia stopped being cool when she grew up, her appearance doesn't help, did she keep the clothes she wore as a child on? At least Aeris used a pole, and not a wimpy Magic Wand and she had the right judgment to not sit through VII's story any longer than she had to. AnonyMan
  3. I can see people voting for Rydia just for the sake of not voting for Aerith. (For reasons of which I'm sure is just because she was overly popular before.) So, she gets my pity vote. JohnnyC
  4. Aerith gets my vote, because when I played FFVII for the first time in 1997, her demise was the first thing in videogame, which brought me almost to tears, after that, only one other game achieved that, the ending of FFX :P MMLN メーマウリアン 10:12, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  5. I think that Aeris deserves to win this. She knowingly sacrificed her life to summon holy to thwart the main villian of the game. Rydia was a cool character, and VERY helpful in some tight spots, but she just doesn't captivate the player in the way Aeris does. Also, she's more relateaable as a character...simple poor flower girl from the slums, vs. a powerful summoner from birth. Finally I think Aeris has caused the most rumors on ways to bring her back etc. and had a larger influence on the gaming genre than almost any other FF character. Overall Aeris wins hands down. Bond em7 12:04, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Voting for the one less likely to win this match. And also for the one who is not a Mary Sue Zak Undersn 15:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Aeris' Theme. 8bit 17:07, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Because she is just more likeable than the jailbait. Also summoning sucks at large in the Final Fantasy franchise. Aeris was a fun character with a very good background, even the part of it that she never knew about. Her theme and her limit breaks are pure win. Also she is in the better game.Discordius 17:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  9. I'd like to see Rydia muster up enough insistence to convince Cecil into crossdressing. 70.76.67.169 19:00, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  10. She is far more interesting, prettier and a lot stronger; i mean who else could make you invincible AND give you all of your health and magic back? Besides, even dead she is still more influent than the poor little rydia. Badag 19:06, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Just about everything I had to say has already been said. Aeris, A) mattered at least as much to the storyline of her game, B) looks better, and C) her death actually made me care. (unlike, say, Tassadar in Starcraft, or General Leo in FFVI, etc.) Oh, right: D) [Aeris dies] I'm not made of Phoenix Down! The.DreadnoughT 19:50, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  12. I liked Rydia most out of the FFIV cast, but Aeris wins this one hands down. Not only is she the only female playable character axed for good in an FF, her carefree and joking nature makes it all the more heartwrenching. She is no frail damsel-in-distress, even though she is a white mage. SamSandy 20:17, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  13. i think that aerith is just all round a better character then Rydia and the only thing bad about her was how she sounded in the english version of Advent children NeoExdeath 20:46, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Rydia's a good character, to be sure, but there's really no comparing her with Aeris, in my mind. Gukkor 01:19, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  15. I like them both, but I like Aerith a little more.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 01:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Her healing limit breaks saved my ass more then once. Exdeath64 02:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  17. This was a pretty hard vote for me. Don't get me wrong, I liked Rydia a lot in FF4, and she definitely helped in those long boss fights, pretty much nuking everything that moved when the random encounter theme wasn't playing; spamming Bahamut definitely costs a ton of MP. She definitely had her moments, too, but Aeris (don't kill me on pronounciation, that's what I say, and that's what I'll stick too) takes the cake. Her personality was great, and she's definitely my second favorite character in FF7, after Cid, of course, though. She was a very sharp, clever person with a lot of determination, and the player never really feels the urge to mash the controller to advance the plot when she talks. While I didn't exactly cry at the end of disk 1, I was pretty close to it, and it was pretty shocking. I was definitely annoyed with Tifa at times, especially during Cloud's subconcious (30 minutes of "character developement?" What were they thinking?), Aeris never really had that problem. Aeris definitely has to have my vote. -dgnslyr
  18. I dunno why, but I like AeriTH--Flaremmm 08:44, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  19. I know who Aerith IS so I vote for her Mr_Darkside 10:56, 28 October ,2009 (UTC)
  20. BlueHighwind : I don't need to explain myself to you all. (Seriously, have you guys read the Peanut Galleries on these fights? Its a goddamn disgrace.)
  21. --AndreaFox 15:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Masamune
  23. I vote Aerith, she had a better influence on the story line, and Rydia's clothes were weird D: I mean sure, Aerith was a block person, but Rydia looks like she should marry Gau and she wasnt that great in a fight imo. Basillisk 19:34, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  24. Who wouldn't vote Aerith? She is a lot more important than Rydia. Rydia is just a little girl, no matter how grown up she gets durring the game, while Aerith is old enough to know what she's doing. FF4 was all about fate and destiny, but in FF7, all the characters had to carry thier own wieght without fate even lifting a finger to help. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2-
  25. I absolutely hate them both, but i hate That fucking whore(and ALL of her sick perverted fanboys.) so i vote aerith, at least she can't annoy me anymore.kiff15
  26. What can I say? FF74EVA! 22:33, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  27. She's way more popular for a reason. And to honor a similar comment from a previous DNC, who made Kingdom Hearts again?SonofIvaliceArchadian seal
  28. Materia is better than strict skillsets. Aeris could have Steal on as well as Bahamut and Knights of the Round. While she didn't last that long, her Magic Stat would make that summoner tremble. Mask no Oni 04:16, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  29. I've know Aerith longer than I've known Rydia. Besides, I love Aerith's outfits and well, I just plain love Aerith, she so cute and awesome! --Sencilia 09:01, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  30. First FF I've ever played, my favourite FF ever. Aeris' death scene was the biggest shock I've ever had playing. Aerith is one of my favourite characters of all time, had to vote. NeoSeth 09:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Aerith Is Just In General, Much Cooler. It Was Such A Shock When She Died, Seeing As I Spend AGES Leveling Her Up :@ But Yeah, She's So Lovable.. :) --EllenClarke
  32. Aerith wins hands down.... no explanation needed Acrum92 17:42, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  33. I have to go with my girl Aerith here. She may seem like a generic White Mage at first, but she is easily the most playful, flirty, adventurous White Mage in the series next to Eiko. Her outfit is cute without being revealing, she has a great theme song, makes for a great Black and White Mage, and is indirectly responsible for one of the most tear-jerking scenes in Final Fantasy. Sorry Rydia.--StragusLore 17:47, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Aeris was a great character in terms of personality. Rydia was mroe useful but she had much shallower depth. Aeris...I wish you didn't die and leave me with only 2 good characters! --linkfan57X
  35. Not even death can restrain her benevolence. -- Saethori (T / C) - 02:25, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
  36. I'll take "most spoiled cinematic" for 1000 please. --Gerdat14 06:13, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
  37. BigSlurp : I will take the babe of FFVII all day long. I felt so sad when she died. Never really cared about Rydia, that why she gets my vote. The story line actually had me caring about her character.
  38. Well, there are numerous reasons, but I'll just say that I simply care more about Aeris. If Sephiroth were to drop down from nowhere and stab Rydia, all I would be thinking is 'Damn, I hope she leaves me some kind of Augment.' SeraphSummoner 16:23, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
  39. SRD : Aeries(th) is the most powerful magic user in the entire series. She would totally pwn Poison Ivy over there.
  40. Aerith. I just never liked Rydia much SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:21, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  41. Aeris' theme. That is all--Cid of the Lufaine 12:52, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  42. Voting for the one with more personality. Boogum 17:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  43. Because I have litterally fallen in love with Aerith. She's beautiful.... 1stclasswarrior 21:38, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  44. As stated, I want a tie, so I vote for the underdog. Drake Clawfang 02:30, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
  45.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 17:11, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
  46. Aerith gave her life so the rest of mankind could live on!! She puts any SOLDIER to shame!Peter Kim 17:38, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
  47. Is voting over? I see a lot of comments saying "too bad it ended in a tie." Anyway, at the risk of being pegged a "FFVII fanboy," I'm voting for Aerith. But it was a close call for me. I like Rydia a lot. Good fight.CodeNameRedXIII 23:37, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
  48. The Rood Inverse 16:01, November 5, 2009 (UTC) A ok character with lots of depth and influence. Decent mag stats is allways a bonus ;)
  49. Because Aerith's Theme is a great song. Silver Dragon XXVIII 02:21, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
  50. Aeris wins every time. :D Rxchy 15:48, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
  51. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. VII si one of the best FFgames ever so thats why i'll vote for Aerith81.236.141.132 07:54, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  2. 62.241.236.17 10:49, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Votes for RydiaEdit

  1. Aerith would win the popularity contest, but she isn't anything I would call a fighter. Rydia, however, spent a few human years in the Land of Summons/Feymarch honing her black magic and learning how to summon. I believe Rydia to be the more disciplined fighter (edited for spelling). Modedan 10:21 A.M EST Oct 30, 2009 (UTC)
  2. I vote based on who I think would win in a battle. Rydia wins for me.24.250.223.11 13:41, October 29, 2009 (UTC) KodokuShizuka
  3. Bahamut would own Aerith. AERITH! FaythOfFenrir 00:59, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Rydia survived not only through the entire game, but survived the destruction of her home, being attacked by Leviathan, and getting a huge arsenal of summons, and eventually saving the world... Aeris never even survived an encounter with the antagonist with an Oedipus Complex. On top of that, Rydia uses a WHIP, while all aeris gets is a stick. MadHatter1284 01:15, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Rydia is actually useful.. Aerith not so much :\ -Ash Crimson 01:20, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Rydia doesn't die. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Rydia has always been one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters ever since she told Edward to shut up and man up, despite being a child who had recently lost everything she ever knew. Plus she dramatically comes in to save the day when the party faces off against Golbez in the underworld! Hyacynth 02:46, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Viva la Rydia! her summons kick ASS!!! AtmaCrisis 06:56, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  9. ...Be a fan, not a fanboy. -- Silver Mage Omega FF5 10:05, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  10. I like Rydia more, especially when she's still a little girl... Kuzlalala 10:51, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  11. I love them both, but Rydia is one of the most useful mages. If Aerith had been available for the whole game, I may have given her this vote. ClixPsi
  12. Munk451 I pick Rydia because she is quite versatile, in comparison to Aerith, and at least Rydia survives to the end.
  13. I've always preferred Rydia as a character and in my opinion I think she is one of the best female characters the series has had to offer. So my vote goes to her without a shadow of a doubt. SOLDIER 1st Class Lance 15:25 October 27, (GMT)
  14. Must love one who summoned Titan\created an abyss at the age of 6. - Henryacores^ 15:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  15. Rydia is by far a better character than Aerith, even with less development than her. Aerith is a frustated bitch who used Cloud to replace Zack because they were similar. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 15:33, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Rydia had the Beauty, Power, and USEFULNESS. Aerith was a crappy Red Mage in my party. Alexalibur 20:26, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  17. I would vote for Aerith, but not Aeris. Ultima 17:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  18. Leogon255 19:04, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Rydia just kicks more ass than AeriTH! Bjarnster 20:51, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  20. Sunpanda2012 22:23, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Rydia can cast Meteor, the strongest, most destructive magic in both Aeris's and Rydia's respective games. PERIOD. Madaskueuchiha 00:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Loli-power. AetherWolf 01:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  23. Aeris/th, Cloud, and most of VII is severely overrated (except CC and Zack, that is). And yes, I have played the VII compilation and the other games I compare it to, so I do know what I'm talking about. And honestly, Aeris/th's death wasn't all that sad as people make it out to be- it was a bit abrupt and unexpected, but the game never really took any time to develop her character or let you get to know and like her. In my opinion, of course. Nokareon
  24. Rydia make Aerith go boom--DarkTriforce 03:29, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  25. Rydia rocks! And Aerith's death was well deserved Kyrel 15:16, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  26. Aerith just wasn't a very interesting character, she took much more interest in flirting with Cloud than saving the world right up until she ran off to die, at least Rydia had her priorities straight. Zuken 15:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  27. I like Aerith, but she'd have been better as a NPC. I mean, first time I played through FFVII, I trained her, then, DEAD. Nope, I won't fall in such a trap anymore. -Alarielle- 17:46, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  28. The Summoner/Black Mage combo is a thousand times better than Summoner/white mage, never mind whatever Aerith/Aeris is Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX 19:36, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  29. Rydia came back from the dead (sort of, presumed dead) and saved the party from certain doom. Aerith just died and IMO put the party in even more danger trying to rescue her and avenge her Bluesilver 19:39, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  30. She's a cool character and she didn't get killed off. MisfitAirship
  31. As much as I like both characters, I have to say that Black Magic would give Rydia the edge. --Hoogathy 02:06, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  32. Aeris is usefull :S Rydia is cool and sexy :P that's all! Gilgamesh 13:02, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  33. Rydia can do black magic, win in my opinion :) --PabloPicaso 15:12, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Rydia gets my vote. Not only was she my most useful character of all with full badass-ness of a black mage AND a summoner but she also didn have the oh so famous He are sick line. Plus Aerith is a useless character and should have been an NPC. D.Dark. 15:48, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  35. Terran Storm 6:53 October 29/9 (MST) This vote goes to Rydia based on the fact that I haven't played Final Fantasy VII. But I've checked her character, and I still like Rydia better.
  36. Ryyydiaa, Ryyydiaaa! Johuotar 14:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
  37. Summons, black magic, doesn't get an overrated death. Doesn't die at all! Rydia better win, and she sure is leading. User:ZaFlareStar 20:48, October 30.10.2009
  38. Lives to the end of the game, knows Meteor and didn't die to get it, uses a whip (I can't be the only one who finds that sexy), actually saves the party in a way that puts the hurt on the Villain, not Aeris, Comes back from the dead (Presumed), overcomes a traumatic past that allows her to ally with the destroyer of her village, My Love of the color Green. Theentertainer
  39. lolwutBruntie2 11:41, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  40. Well, who did you think I'd vote for?! Rydia is Powerful, Versatile, The first magic user you get in FFIV, she doesn't die within ten seconds of loading up the game, she's sexier, she is the most powerful character in her respective game, and she doesn't get her ultimate weapon within those ten seconds, only to find out that she doesn't get to use it because some mummy's boy stabbed her in the back. Lastly, but not least, FFIV was finished to a good quality and it's a challenging game; whereas FFVII went ages past the release date, and even then they didn't finish it, and once you understand the relatively primeval battle system and graphics that make the game even more confusing, it's not hard at all! Even I, who had been playing the game for 5 mins, and hated every one of them, was able to come up with a materia combination to beat Emerald and Ruby weapons. I rest my case. rydia's long lost brother 21:52, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  41. Mainly because I know both are, and Aerith is part of one of the WORST games I have played. FFVII is only bad because it's pretty much a revamped and overated FFVI game. FFIV hasn't been played, but at least I know who she is, so I can vote for her. Still, both characters are pathetic in one way or another in their own game... Aerith/s dies (and is still worshipped in her own sick way) and Rydia is afraid of Fire for more than half of the game! Hard vote, but Rydia wins mine. BARELY. Zexionfan15 01:31, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
  42. <33333333333333333333333333333333 Yzz 06:47, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
  43. I don't like VII or IV, but I prefer summons and black magic to white magic. And, I prefer IV. And 2D games in general, at that. Legend of Fantasy 17:04, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
  44. FFVII is a better game then FFIV but Rydia is a much better character then Aerith in every possible way. KaiserPaladin 09:00, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
  45. I love these two characters but pleasee do not tell me that: "AERITH(S) IS MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE SHE HAD A BIGGER PART IN THE STORY or I LOVE VII, SO I VOTE FOR HER. Not acceptable answers, you ratbesterds! They are both quintessential to their respective Final Fantasies. Anyway, I say "offense is a good defense" anyday. The Flower Girl has excellent compatibility with any magic materia plus she can "own/equip" Bahamut anyway. However her fullest potential is cut short and her limit break focuses heavily (for the most part, except Fury Brand, which is my fave.) on healing/protection. The Girl from Mist's growth progression focuses on her Intelligence stat, which allows her to barrage the enemy with powerful Summons and Black magic to boot! And YES, she has an awesome story dynamic...think about it...She is forced to mature at a much younger age and later comes back an adult with that same maturity with burning self-conviction and passion. I just don't see why she would waste her time with edge though...!!!!!!My vote: RYDIA!!!!!!ThaneThamasa 16:59, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
  46. Rydia. Karu
  47. I hate Aerith... Ishramit
  48. Green hair is better. SSFF6B
  49. Revenge vote against Hojo. Adelbert
  50. She was an awesome child, and an even more awesome adult. Plus she didn't die. Sleepy phoenix 08:23, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
  51. The flower girl is nice and all, but I got to admit that I was rooting for Sephiroth the whole time. Rydua however atleast to me was a cool character. Its funny watching Edge flirt with her. Plus her summons and early healing where extreamly usefull. I'll give her my vote. User:Neosamuel
  52. yaaaaaaay for Rydia !! Regoli

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. No way I'm voting against my girl Rydia. She just screams badass, and she's not too bad on the eyes either. She's a Black Mage/Summoner; what could be better than that? Anything she can't destroy with her powerful magic gets wrecked by her loyal summons such as Shiva and Bahamut. Plus she wields a whip in battle. Also badass. There's nothing more satisfying than paralyzing a Behemoth with a whip attack. Even as a little girl she was awesome and brave, even telling Edward off. Sorry Aerith, nothing personal against you, but you just can't hold a candle to my girl. 96.234.74.96 16:47, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Was really sad when i thought rydia died in IV. And really pleased when she returned to the party with a few kickass summons.116.14.55.91 18:04, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Oh yeah! Definitely Rydia! She's awesome! And so much cooler, funnier, and more useful than Aerith. 206.248.110.71 20:39, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Rydia 82.155.208.162 22:39, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
  5. i'm going for rydia 'cause she was the first female and summoner i ever played with in FF (and summoners are awesome)81.193.245.245 19:52, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Green hair.85.131.56.203 08:34, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Rydia is better, hands down. --93.148.253.70 21:13, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
  8. cuz summons kickass 203.12.22.51 01:11, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
  9. 72.229.247.69 03:39, November 1, 2009 (UTC)Obviously Rydia is the better of the two cuz BMs and summoner rule.PS. shes alive-_-
  10. 64.188.137.16 19:10, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
  11. +1 Anon vote for Rydia! I just like her better. Summoning is too epic. 98.143.82.90 00:06, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

Aerith. Say it with me. AERITH. Aeris is a mistranslation.FaythOfFenrir 01:22, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Give it a rest. It's not that big a deal. Anony
I will not. You can rest assured that I will continue to complain about this.FaythOfFenrir 01:22, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, boy. *sigh*. I don't want to know how you feel on the whole Bartz/Butz deal. AnnoyedMan
The wiki always refers to bartz as bartz.FaythOfFenrir 01:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
And "Aerith" sounds just like "Aeris" in Japanese anyway. BallBustah
But this is english. Tina is Terra. Butz is Bartz. Cayanne is Cyan. Aerith is Aerith.FaythOfFenrir 01:39, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Again, who cares? Especially since most English people would probably be accustomed to the "mistranslations". I don't want to drag anything out, although Mash is a MUCH cooler name than Sabin and wish that stuck. DevilHandthe3rd
I care! and its fixed--Flaremmm 02:58, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I think more people are familiar with recent incarnations, i.e. Kindom Hearts and Crisis Core. Personally, I wished it was still Butz. It's fitting.SonofIvaliceArchadian seal 22:58, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
It WAS fixed when i typed that message (It has since been reverted for unknown reasons.--Flaremmm 23:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Here's a better question: How about we stop bitching over whether her name is Aeris or Aerith? TheBlueDragoon 23:47, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Cuz then people would have one less thing to talk about. And we can't have that. XDSonofIvaliceArchadian seal
No, we're not bitching over what her name is - since we know its Aerith! - we're bitching over the use of Aeris and the refusal to correct it.--Flaremmm 23:55, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, it gets annoying. I first saw her as Aeris, and thats what it remains for me, no matter if they want to retcon it. So just stop. The Peanut Gallery is supposed to be for comments on the fight, not pointless bitching that amounts to nothing. TheBlueDragoon 00:15, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
So kinda like what you're doing right now? =D - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:59, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, your got me there Slash. TheBlueDragoon 15:22, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
IT IS NOT A MISTRANSLATION! The coice for -s was just as legitimate as -th. Japanese doesn't have the -th or -s sound, it has the "su" letter, which has been used many times for both the sounds of "-s" and "-th" in foreign words. Example: Earth is pronounced aasu in japanese, and bass is pronounced basu. So, Aeris or Aerith are both EQUALLY LEGIT! Her name was Aeris in both FF7 and FFT, and her name was Aerith in KH and Crisis Core. The only extra weight the Aerith name has was that it appeared like that in the Ultimania guides. But I consider the weight of THE ORIGINAL game to be much more important.Cid of the Lufaine 13:02, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
As far as I know, the true romanization for Balthier was Balflear (or that's how it was stated on official sources), Lionheart was End of Heart, Cloud's Climhazzard was Crime Hazzard, and the whateverit'scalled definitive sword for The man with no name was Ultima Weapon. And the list goes on. Why doesn't anyone bitch about true mistakes instead of about A ·$·%"! DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO VALID WAYS OF TRANSCRIBING A GODDAMN NAME? Zak Undersn 22:44, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
Simple, those names are never changed in the series and are concidered cannon and simply how it was localized, Aerith's names was changed and so we debate which localization is cannon, a debate which makes slightly more sense then complaining about localizations. Also it's not about the right or wrong way to romanize her name, its about which one SE considers her name to be, if they say her name is aerith, not aeris, then its aerith. Aeris has, like you said, FF7 and FFTclassic, Aerith has FFVIIACC, crisis core, FFT wotl, and if you care to count them each KHs game, plus the ultimania, in otherwords all the recent translations. Further FFVII wasn't translated by square, which makes aerith squares own preference in her name it seems, but people can call her what they want, that doesn't matter. Zuken 15:52, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
You talk about the very same SE which destroyed one of the most memorable FFVII's scenes by retconning it to try to give importance to a guy (or something) who doesn't even make sense into its own game? Yeah, cool. I'm with Squaresoft, SE hasn't done anything to improve FFVII yet. And any way or another, nobody should give a fuck about what's her true name (for it's EARISU, god dammit), call her whatever you want, we all understand you talk about the very same person. Zak Undersn 16:40, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not gonna argue with you. You're entitled to your own opinion, but frankly, I think the way you ham this up is completely ridiculous. This conversation had nothing to do with Genesis. For someone who seems to want to forget his existance, you sure do like to steadfastly refuse to ignore it when it isn't of concern. And, as much as I hate to do this, if you absolutely feel that you MUST debate this subject, please do so on my User Talk Page, rather than here. As I said before, it is irrelevent. On an unrelated note, I have to question what is meant b "Aerith would be a much better character if she lived through the rest of the game"? And, in the same vein of thought, technically being hot DOES help you in battle. It's called being a femme fatale, & there are historical instances of its usage.Neo Bahamut 23:44, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I will start using a bit less ":"s because this is gonna look messy if I don't. I only refuse to ignore Genesis' existance when someone talks about SE being a trustworthy source for FFVII (and that's the case here), FFVII Compilation or Genesis alone. And it was just an example as it could be DoC, or anything related to that.
Anyway, back to the topic. I could understand someone argued because he was called different names (like Earith (another transcription for EARISU), or Earth (she could be called like that if Squaresoft wanted) and Aeris), but Aeris and Aerith? WTHF guys, is just a damn phoneme (one that, for anyone who doesn't have th on it's native language, will sound almost the same).
anyone ever herd of "All your base are belong to us"??
Oh, and I forgot to mention this before: When localization overrides accurate translations then it's a failure, whether you like it or not. If ultimate weapons were always called Ultima Weapons, and the original name is always ARUTEMA UEPON, and you translate it for Caladbolg, something is wrong there. Zak Undersn 10:07, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Yes but this isn't the case there and while SE is butchering the VII universe, they own it now so they still determine the cannon, your right aeris and aerith are exactly the same in japanese, but we're not discussing the japanese version, they decided what her name is in english. As for localizations overriding direct translation, it's been known to happen and become cannon anyway (such as the quote you spoony bard, which was a mistranslation but is kept in all subsequent versions as cannon...). That aside, I always figured the people saying she would have been better if she lived were saying she didn't have enough time for her character to develop as much as she could have. Zuken 15:45, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Hey cool, the fight changed. I need to think about who to vote for... TheBlueDragoon 03:29, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

TA, why must you stick to using her old name? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:21, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Why must everyone give a damn? I thought the compromise was "it's Aeris if it's VII, Aerith if it's some other appearance (KH, rest of Compilation, etc.)" or something like that. The.DreadnoughT 19:57, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
It was only a simple question, good lord. I don't care nearly as much as you think I do. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:57, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
It wasn't you in specific- see the whole thing above this? The.DreadnoughT 22:12, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
She is Aeris in the last two releases from Square, unless I am mistaken. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Since we're talking about her, I'll assume you mean the Compilation of FF7, in which case the last two releases were Crisis Core and Advent Children Complete. In both releases she is most certainly referred to as "Aerith". - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I think one of, or both of the games he's referring to is the PSN releases, which remain unchanged from the original.  ILHI 23:56, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
those are just ports of the original FFVII (which is where the mistranslation is! All the new additions refer to her as Aerith, and if there are any inconsistencies the new additions have been confirmed as canon, the most recently, so it would be safe to assume that they take priority over inconsistencies --Flaremmm 00:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Two points for Violet Mage for being up to date on Square Releases. The release of FFT and FFVII for PS3/PSP feature Aeris, so technically we should change it back. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Actually if your talking about the war of the lions PSP release of tactics, it's aerith. As for the release of VII for ps3... thats merely the PSN rereleasing an unaltered port of the original game, so it wouldn't really take precedence... It is only aeris in the original game which, if I recall correctly, wasn't even translated by square... shouldn't square translations trump anything? Zuken 01:47, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
In the original release of FFT for PSX she was called Aerith tho, if I am not mistaken. I say keep it Aeris because it is better.Discordius 07:31, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
actually in the psx tactics shes aeris again, probably to keep continuity since it was released very close to the same time as VII, and the it's not about which name is better, it's about which name is right, it's Aerith. Zuken 15:24, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Well, actually, neither Aeris or Aerith is a mistranslation. They're just two alternate translations. And the guys who translated VII called her "Aeris". And the guys who translated Tactics used the same name as in VII. Then the guys over at SE decided to translate it differently, and then have stuck with that translation ever since. So "Aerith" is SE's perfect translation. The PSN port wasn't touched by SE and still uses the old translation.  ILHI 20:05, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Why'd we use the crappy artwork of Rydia? There are so many more flattering images of her out there. Violetmage♥ 13:07, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


There will be a whole bunch less of She's hot votes this way. Zak Undersn 15:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I wish they could've at least put a decent photo. I'm guessing that's an Amano piece, and I personally don't like most of Amano's work. I would have liked her DS CG model. Madaskueuchiha 23:57, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
It's a crappy Aeris/th photo too, so it's fair I suppose. Aeris/th's CC model is so much better. Nokareon

Deadly Slash Sword said that Rydia doesn't die. Well she dies a fake death like almost every character from that awful game she's in.Discordius 15:00, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Your point? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:57, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what his point could be, but mine is that true deaths are plainly better than fake deaths. Story-wise, of course.Zak Undersn 22:28, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
This is my point. And I was so late to follow up on the issue.Discordius 17:18, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

I'll cast my vote for whomever is losing near the end. I want a tie. Drake Clawfang 17:17, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

^This. CheeseNinja 07:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Gotta love this Challenge, even if it's bad, it is still better than that last Blazing fight. Alexalibur 20:33, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Fight like these reminds me why I don't vote in the DNC. ---- TenzaZangetsu 27 October 2009 (UTC)

And here we have another battle that makes me wonder about the state of the DNC... TheBlueDragoon 21:05, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Aeris sounds better and that is what it is called in the game. Until SE makes a remake that says AeriTH then it is Aeris to me. --BigCubby 12:19, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

You say "in the game" like she has only ever appeared in one game.  ILHI 15:22, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Goddammit, I couldn't resist. If you read a typo in a history book that said that the American Revolution officially began in 1876, would you ignore all the other books by the same people that had the correct year? --Masamune

FF7 was the only game that actually mattered.--BigCubby 18:14, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Phailest comment evar. Faethinte audio 18:20, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you Faethin. Each game in the series mattered. TheBlueDragoon 21:56, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
People like him need to gtfo of the wiki.FaythOfFenrir 00:27, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
No voting for you! --Gerdat14 21:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
It's a sad day when people troll on wiki's... this is nothing more than an attempt to rile people up Zuken 01:47, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Slightly close minded are we? Basillisk 09:26, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, for all of those who don't know the closest thing to the 'th' sound in japanese is 'su' so its more so a translation than anything. You guys should really know what you're talking about before you speak. 24.250.223.11 13:38, October 29, 2009 (UTC)KodokuShizuka
People have already mentioned that, and also the translation has been redone, seriously are we going to go with the translation from the game that brought us the "He are sick." line over pretty much every other game since? Zuken 15:24, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Its just a name. And I believe you were referring to "This guy are sick", which was just hilarious. Also funny was "I wanna be a Blitzball when I grow up!" TheBlueDragoon 16:22, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Almost forgot about that, makes me hope SE will keep messing up small translations here and there... Zuken 17:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
I agree, mistranslations are very hilarious! They should just throw in a few on purpose for amusement! MisfitAirship

I love the people who do the pity vote. Too chicken to actually come out and vote for a person and endure the hate that comes with it. If you lack conviction then don't vote because you haven't the means to back it. Theentertainer

It was more of just a pity vote for me. People seem to hate Aeris lately for some reason, while I have no problem with it. It's actually a tie between the two for me, so I cast my vote for Aeris as a backlash against people who are voting just to vote against her rather than voting for Rydia. JohnnyC

I just puked in my mouth a little bit. AetherWolf 21:16, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I've seen several people mention Aerith's theme, but nobody's mentioned Rydia's awesome theme. (I'm using th just because that's how it would be in the Japanese version. You don't still call FF6, FF3, do you?) Name aside, I didn't even realize Aerith HAD a theme. On the other hand, I've spent hours learning how to play Rydia's theme on the piano. Madaskueuchiha 21:34, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not voting! Aerith Gainsborough is a cheating whore and Rydia of Mist is a stripper.Sephiroth66 02:25, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Wrong on both counts, but okay. Drake Clawfang 02:29, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
We need a sign this week that says please do not feed the trolls. TheBlueDragoon 15:46, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Aerith is the canonical name. For a place that prides itself on being a database, it's disappointing that Aeris is the accepted spelling. For clarification, I'm not referring to individuals. They can spell it however they want. But the fact that it's "corrected" in the articles is just ridiculoud. And wasn't this done already? Either way, I have to stick my neck out here, & point out that the votes for Rydia do not sway me to her side. A lot (not all) of the votes for Aerith seem reasoned, referencing her points in the story, her personality, etc. while a lot (not all) of the votes for Rydia seem to work off of misinformed assumptions about Aerith, "fanboy" comments, & the like.75.198.56.137 04:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Pardon? The use the spelling "Aerith" here for all instances of the character outside the original FF7 game. "Aeris" is only used when referring to her appearances in the original game, since that is the name that was used for her then. Drake Clawfang 04:39, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I was specifically told that the official policy was to use Aeris. If what you are saying is indeed true, it's not a bad compromise, but I don't see the need for a compromise, in the first place.Neo Bahamut 04:55, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Also it's not that the votes are for aerith or against aerith, the majority of the votes seem to revolve around one plot point... they both seem to die, but rydia comes back and aerith doesn't, people voting aerith cite her death sometimes, people voting rydia cite her lack of death a lot... thats legitimate enough Zuken 16:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

For interested parties, the FF wiki fuss and Wikipedia wrangling in all their glorious, fancrufty g(l)ory. Let's not resurrect this debate, lest we end up back in the same spot. — YuanSalve!Acta 07:16, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Damn, this week ends in a tie. I loved this fight. TheBlueDragoon 21:58, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

A tie? In user-votes, yeah, but each Anon vote is half a point, so Rydia seems to be destroying Aerith. Shame, I like Aerith better. SidviciousHart 22:03, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I could be wrong, but I don't think the unsigned votes count. If thats the case, it will be closer. TheBlueDragoon 22:24, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
They are counted for half a vote. Like, if you look below, Hojo had 45 signed votes, and 6 anon-votes. So that's 45 votes plus 6 half-votes(3 votes) totaling 48 votes. So in this case, the fact that Rydia has a lot of votes from non-members is what's making her win. SidviciousHart 22:34, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but i think that it's written somewhere in the rules that if a fight is really close, like if someone only wins by a margin of less than 10%, it's declared too close to call and results in a tie anyway. By the way, I thought this was an awesome fight. I'm still having trouble deciding on whom to choose. and from a linguistics nerd's perspective, i think the whole mistranslation of Aeris/Aerith thread above was actually really fascinating. If i was told i had to translate a script as large as FFVII's from Japanese into English, there would be a few mistakes, especially when it comes to the proper phonetics of made up names and words. CodeNameRedXIII 23:25, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
You're right, this is a good fight. As for the thread, yeah it was interesting. Of course there are errors, no one is perfect. TheBlueDragoon 23:31, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

OK. I hate to revisit the whole Aerith/Aeris thing again, but understand that this post is not meant to cause any further arguments. Did anyone else notice that during the entirety of FFVII: Advent Children, none of the characters ever referred to Aerith by her name? They always referred to her as "her," or "you," or "she." Never did we hear Aerith's name spoken aloud. We also never heard Tidus' name in FFX (probably because he was the only character you could re-name). Just food for thought. :) CodeNameRedXIII 23:55, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I guess Square really didn't want name conflict among fans. And for Tidus, its because FFX had voice acting, and voice acting couldn't be done for a renamed character. (I recall that one of the Aurochs in Kilika said his name in a non-voice acting bit if you talked to him.) JohnnyC
In X-2, it's intentional. In AC, it's probably a coincidence. Whatever the case may be, they clearly realized that this approach is impractical. Afterall, how could you have had Dissidia with 10 ??? characters?Neo Bahamut 00:15, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

This probably should've gone with my vote, but I just never really liked Aerith because Tifa overshadowed her for me, the whole time I played FFVII. But that's just me. Madaskueuchiha 02:36, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

  • Yawn* This fight is clear: Rydia wins. IT's been at least a week and a hafl. When will the voting end? (Sorry for spelling errors, my PC is very slow at the moment, so there's a lot of delay when i type) MadHatter1284 01:44, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Perersonally, I can't decide (yes I haven't been on in a LOOONG time, but I'm back)Blackheart1991 17:21, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
Welcome back Blackheart. And yes, this fight is past its expiration date. TA is probably busy, so I'll wait patiently. TheBlueDragoon 17:57, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

To the newest voter for Rydia, I would suggest reading Maiden Who Travels the Planet & Case of the Lifestream. Well...technically, I'd suggest reading all of On the Way to a Smile, but I think those are the most relevant to the point I'm trying to make about Aerith's personality. Also, again, the self-sacrafice thing isn't entirely accurate.

maiden has been retconned (and is non-canonical) Smile is canon and was written by the producers of FFVII--Flaremmm 02:17, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that Maiden was retconned by Case of the Lifestream, but there is nothing contradictory in them. It's also heavily supported by the "stagnant lifestream" concept in Dirge of Cerberus, & was published IN the Ultimania. All of that suggests that it's quite canonical.Neo Bahamut 03:27, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hey when we will stop the fight? even an anonymous is voting in the wrong place. It's a tie, Please stop. Alexalibur 19:17, November 8, 2009 (UTC) "Revenge vote against Hojo."~This doesn't even make sense.Neo Bahamut 23:29, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

It makes sense if they're talking about the last battle. Hojo vs Garland; could possibly be a revenge vote for a VII character winning or perhaps they liked Garland and were mad Hojo won. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 01:15, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
No, it still doesn't make sense. It's just stupid. Pardon my French.Neo Bahamut 01:33, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
What Boakan said. Don't like it then tough. My vote still counted so do something about it. Adelbert
Yeah. Your internet tough guy routine is SO helping my opinion of you. Hey, if you want to look stupid, go ahead. It's not like I haven't groaned about most of the anti-Aerith (as opposed to pro-Rydia) votes, anyway. However, guess what? If you don't like my opinion, then as you say, that's tough--do something about it. In any case, I hereby remove myself from this portion of the conversation before modly intervention is taken against me.Neo Bahamut 04:03, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

I'm really quite curious as to why Rydia keeps geting votes for summoning. That's something Aerith can do. In fact, it fits squarely into her specialty with magic.Neo Bahamut 01:55, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

More people know Aerith/s as a White Mage than a Summoner (that includes me). Kuzlalala 11:35, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
She isn't, though. Her Limit Breaks are rather white-magey, though, but no one in FFVII actually has a class, because of the way the materia system works. Aerith is weak physically, but strong magically & thefore, she makes a good white mage, black mage, & summoner. And time mage & shit like that, if you want to get specific. It's...actually pretty common knowledge....Neo Bahamut 02:31, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
You say it's common knowledge as if he didn't know... yes no one has a job but they all resemble some jobs, like tifa resembles monk, and their limit's are a good part of what ties them to old jobs, and if nothing else, in the alpha stages she was a geomancer... agruing about abilities a character /could/ have in a game where each character can get every ability is a little moot, like saying yuna makes an excellent warrior just because I have one that hit's for about 100,000, so she could go toe to toe with cloud in a melee only match right? ... 168.28.43.92 15:54, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
This argument was never about how the characters resembled certain classes. It was that someone remarked upon FF7's only White Mage dying, and others arguing that it didn't matter since everyone else could use White Magic anyway. JohnnyC
Umm...the point is that Aerith uses magic, & therefore summoning. Your argument is also invalid, because I never compared Aerith (a natural mage) to a warrior because she could be, given the proper training. The proper analogy would be that Yuna is a Black Mage because she can use magic of all types, & even that doesn't work, because the Sphere Grid was very different from materia. The Sphere Grid actually set up jobs that the characters later moved out of. Aerith never had a job. She was just a mage-type. It's not moot. You can't give a vote to someone for "being a summoner" when the other can use summons. Well...you can, but it's a moot point, because they can BOTH summon. This isn't that hard to understand. Also, the guy above me is quite incorrect. I explicitly stated that I was referring to votes Rydia got for being a summoner. Bottomline: Aerith's abilities include summoning. Rydia does not have an advantage in her ability to summon. Now, I think that about puts last "week's" argument to rest.Neo Bahamut 20:05, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Week 133: Professor Hojo v. GarlandEdit

Dochojo
DNC Versus
Garland-ffix-boss
WINNER!
Professor Hojo
48 to 41 1/2
Inventors of misery square off in a battle royale no doubt fought at least in part by proxy. WINNER!
Dochojo
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Votes for HojoEdit

  1. This is the mad scientist I know most about, plus he's pretty damn successful --Flaremmm 02:23, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  2. No matter how much I hate him for killing Vincent, I don't know who the other guy is. So, it'll have to be Hojo :)--NerdYO 05:21, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  3. SWEET!!! My Idea Got into The Colosseum!!! Gotta be Hojo though he is responsable for so many of the best character being as cool as they are. Spehiroth, Cloud, Zack, Vincent, Weiss, the List goes on --RedMageSOLDIER 05:28, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  4. This is hard. I think Hojo's more of a bastard, so I'm gonna vote for him. Violetmage♥ 05:30, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Garland was really just acting in the best interest of the Terran Genomes. Hojo's insanity and cruelty was all his. (And not even death stopped him from his schemes.) -- Saethori (T / C) - 05:51, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Supporting Hojo's Insanity and Craziness 'till the very end. -- Silver Mage Omega FF5 09:56, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Garland looks like a monster (and very different from the FFI version). Kuzlalala 10:47, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  8. Well, considering without Hojo's work there would have been no SOLDIER, and therefore no FFVII, it seems that we have him to thank for that masterpiece. Bond em7 12:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  9. This was pretty tough but Hojo gets my vote, because FFVII was the 2nd game i played and IX was like the 10th and Hojo was alot harder to beat than Garland. Bjarnster 12:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  10. I think I give my vote for Hojo this week... he is much bigger villain than Garland in my book :P MMLN メーマウリアン 12:14, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Who would not vote for the "walking mass of complexes"? Alexalibur 16:34, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  12. Free bird 14:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC) My vote goes to Hojo. He was brilliantly insane and had no remorse for the evil he caused. He deserves props for his work and he's quite successful with the ladies!
  13. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:37, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Hojo was a selfish, self fulfilling evil, only caring about his work and not the lives of anyone. Garland wanted to preserve the world of Terra. He had the best of intentions, just went about it in an evil way. Still, a tough decision. I'm voting purely on evil. I think this battle is awesome, even though it looks to be a landslide.CodeNameRedXIII 15:04, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  15. Hojo definayely crated more misery than Garland. He is a much worse individual than Garland. Garland was not even that evil; he had good intentions (to protect the genomes). FaythOfFenrir 15:38, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  16. My copy of FFIX broke before I could encounter Garland, so I know nothing about him. But it's hard to imagine anyone quite as creepy as Hojo. Nevanus 16:58, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Rinoa leonheart 16:47, October 9, 2009 (UTC) Hojo wins he created SEPHIROTH you cant get more evil then that O YA
  18. It's too easy to hate Hojo when you piece together that almost everything in FFVII's universe is his fault. Garland is similar in some regards, but he tried to oppose Kuja; Hojo not only caused everything, but he facilitated his monsters. ClixPsi
  19. Gotta go with Hojo here. He owns Garland. TheBlueDragoon 17:45, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  20. How could i vote agenst him? FF74EVA! 18:04, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Hojo...created Sephiroth. And made Vincent what he is, too. And probably even Kane. Need I say more? The.DreadnoughT 19:42, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Hojo at least looks the part. Garland's black techno-suit makes it look like he's a not-so-well-done iron man knock off. It just isn't cool. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2-
  23. IX may be my favorite but goddamn if Garland isn't one of the most boring villains ever. Hyacynth
  24. Because he rules and because Zak's gonna kill me if don't vote for him. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 23:43, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  25. BlueHighwind : "I am Mojo Hojo. People shall call me Mojo Hojo. And it is I, Mojo Hojo, whom they shall be addressing when using the name, Mojo Hojo. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
  26. I'm not sure even who this other Garland is, i know the garland from 8-Bit Theater, but who's that?
    So... i'll just vote for the character i even know who it is. Uppfinnarn (U/T) 08:43, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Sunpanda2012
  28. Garland was just doing his job as programed by the Terrans. Hojo did his job, and took the mad scientist factor up to 11 without provocation or a good reason. Exdeath64 23:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  29. The highest exponent of mad scientist-ism vs an ok villain whose use is referencing three past villains. You know this was going to happen Zak Undersn 00:07, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
  30. Hojo screwed with everyones life and essentially was the main bad guy for all of the FFVII games. Cammy G 06:46, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Hojo, like the others of Shinra's board of directors, were some of the most memorable supporting villains ever (yes, I know Reeve wasn't a bad guy...). When faced in Midgar, the J-E-N-O-V-A -song that kicked in when Hojo starts to laugh really gave me chills (and timing for the music to begin was perfect). The last stage of Hojo -boss fight is probably the hardest fight in the game if you don't have a Ribbon (Sef was way easier)... Vohaul86
  32. Is this even a fair fight. Hojo is the true villian of FF7 and lets face it he is Sephiroth's FATHER ok, so he not only is a great villian, but a crap parrent as well. He cause basicly every major problem in FF7 weither directly or indirectly. Hojo FTW! Neosamuel
  33. because he is just cooler.--Wavesteel 22:21, October 13, 2009 (UTC
  34. The best mad scientist in the series, in my opinion. Sure beats Dr. Lugae and Dr. Cid, at least. SamSandy 07:02, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
  35. At least he has an original name. KaiserPaladin 11:39, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
  36. I only vote Hojo because i think Garland was kinda lame in comparison... I'll still never forgive his crimes against Vincent though... Damyn 11:51 October 14, 2009
  37. I can't add to what's already been said, Hojo is worst.PapaBear10:42PM October 14, 2009
  38. The series' first archetyptual (is that a word?) mad scientist, & he worked pretty well. Also, I'd like to remind people that Hojo has hinted at more complicated motivations, as well. Such as giving Sephiroth power simply because "he is my son."Neo Bahamut 03:18, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
  39. He is a bigger asshole than Garry. SquallisbetterthanCloud 12:24, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
  40. Hojo is an asshole, he looks like one, smells like one, he even taste like one!!! Anyway I chose him because I know him better than Garland.User:Wasdxz 22:19, October 16, 2009
  41. Hojo is a crazy genius, he created Sephiroth, and made Cloud the legend that he was. Fair enough DoC kinda ruined him, but still he was the force behind FF7, and as much as I like Garland, I think Hojo has to get this vote. SOLDIER 1st Class Lance 23:16 October 17, 2009
  42. He was the reason for Final Fantasy VII and for Dirge of Cerberus! Why would I not vote for him? FinalFantasyAerith
  43. ...Jis 17:12, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
  44. Hojo was pretty incredible. Creating Sephiroth, the Jenova Cell thing with Cloud and Zack, taking control of the Sister Ray, and even becoming a massive monster after fusing himself with Jenova Cells. And then he still is able to take control of a Tsviet. Hands down, Hojo wins dawg. SidviciousHart 22:37, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
  45. Well if we're going for bigger asshole and more hated creation I will have to go with HOJO here.Theentertainer

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Let's see: guy's responsible for two generations of screwing people over, fathered and experimented on everyone's favourite silver-haired psycho with a track record of arson, murder and world domination; did a stellar job of f**king over Zack and Cloud's lives, in addition to Weiss, Nero, Shelke and the Tsviets in general. Of course, his involvement with the infamous Vincent/Lucrecia mess definitely counts. So what's there to say? He's the villain you love to hate, hate to love, or in abhorring awe of just how many major and secondary characters have been affected by his actions 70.76.67.169 02:15, October 9, 2009 (UTC) Anon.
  2. Couldn't decide. So I'll vote for the side where people screwed up the formatting less. 198.7.245.93 02:00, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Well, I guess reasons for this vote were already stated above ^^ Plus I have a weakness for demented assholes. 114.162.150.10 14:27, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  4. I like Hojo.194.144.70.15 21:23, October 10, 2009 (UTC).
  5. I might have voted for Garland if it was the FFI Garland. 121.223.138.79 11:44, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
  6. ^Agreed. Hojo's creepy 71.167.16.190 03:44, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Votes for GarlandEdit

  1. First Vote! Garland was better than Hojo (in my opinion) as he is responsible for both the hero and villain. also he has a possible crossover I & IX. Leonhart178 01:21, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Hojo created the hero and villain too remember? but I vote garland cause at least when kuja rebelled garland said hell no and ruined all of kuja's plans in an instant by killing alexander... hojo, crazy badass he was, helped sephiroth and it didn't work Zuken 02:30, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  3. For creating Kuja, he gets my vote. CheeseNinja 05:50, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Garland's post-mortem wills did not spawn an entire spinoff game. For those of you who dislike Dirge of Cerberus, I have said enough. For those of you enjoy DoC....well, Garland controlled the souls of an entire planet, and Hojo was a horrible, horrible, horrible biologist. 8bit 15:54, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Classic evil > Scientist evil Bruntie2 16:36, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Of course creating the greatest Hero and Villain of the series goes without saying. He's got the hopes of survival of his people resting solely on his shoulders and have been for thousands of years. He's a very cool customer too, and being powerful enough that Kuja was actaully affraid of him(hence his goal). AnonyMan 16:44, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  7. I, Garland, will knock you all down! Lecture me again when you are on the verge of death! Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 16:55, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  8. He's Darth Vader! The Man In The Black Cape 17:19, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  9. He had a badass airship. - Ash Crimson 20:55, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  10. Do I really need a reason? He's just epic! YamiNoBahamut
  11. BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|00:23, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  12. I respect Hojo for having created the awesomeness known as Sephiroth, but it's only respect. I don't like him, he's insane. Garland created both a the main character and villain of the game, intending for them to both be angels of death. That's pretty awesome too. JohnnyC 01:01, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  13. This is more a vote against Hojo than a vote for Garland. I refuse to vote for a such a weasel. At least Garland could fight his own battles. TomServo101 09:27, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Old Man :D! He's not a bad guy and he created Kuja and Zidane. Karu
  15. I think Garland had a more interesting motive of keeping Terra alive, even though for the wrong means. Whereas I think Hojo just wanted to be a jerk, there really wasn't much more to him than that (or at least not that I remember). Besides Garland has the name of the first main boss of Final Fantasy, you have to give him credit for that. MisfitAirship
  16. Garland's got a better design. And I prefer the game he's from. Plus, he had a hand in making the best hero of the series, so I have no qualms voting for him. Boogum 16:35, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  17. I will always like villains who think that they're the good guys. Also, since all genomes came from the same DNA (I assume), he is the genetic duplicate of both Zidane and Kuja, the best hero and villain in the series, respectively. Silver Dragon XXVIII 21:51, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  18. If this were Hollander vs Garland, I might be voting differently. But Hojo I have no sympathy for. Fitting a ugly character create a even uglier character. At least Garland repented his devious actions in the end. Adelbert 9:44, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Garland was actually a good bad guy and his plan was much better then Hojos NeoExdeath 09:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  20. Peanutthephantom 11:48, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Garland did everything Hojo did but was just more bad ass. Pimp slapped his own creationGoodApollo08 18:46, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  22. Hojo is just a selfish bastard! 'Nuff said.--Cluna 06 19:30, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  23. Leogon255 20:55, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  24. DMD DrakemasterDrake 21:30, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  25. Sorry RedMageSOLDIER, but i'm going to vote for Garland cause he's more of a traditional FF villian, and he does have whoop-ass airship. (and hopefully it'll keep this "landslide" interesting --Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX 17:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
  26. I just have more respect for him. He did more. He's more evil. More respectable. Yzz 18:41, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Do I need a reason to help someone? Nokareon
  28. Kuja had much grander schemes than just satisfying curiosity, he had a bigger agenda Malahk 14:52, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
  29. Garland seemed really evil at the very beginning, but he turned out to not be so bad after all, just doing his job. I'd like him more if he had a helmet though, like the original Garland. He's still way better than that weirdo freestyle worker and thus gets my vote. User:ZaFlareStar 23:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
  30. Garland gets mine, on account of his backstory (FF1, Dissidia, read it folks). What's a few people's lives, one "bad-ass" villain and (of course) planet compared to a time-loop, in which harbors a whole net of evil, and even some control of the "Void" as a child, not to mention two series cameos, yeah!ThaneThamasa 19:58, October 14, 2009 (UTC) !!!GARLAND!!!
  31. Garland looks kinda cool in IX and he has an awesome line in the first game. I think I need not to say it. Besides Hojo was awful. I still can't get it through my skull; why did Lucrecia marry him?! Finalfreakfantasy
  32. Garland is the man! Hojo doesn't stand a chance against a beast like Garland. >:D JFHavoc 01:55, October 16, 2009 (EST)
  33. Garland's possibly the best character in IX. I always did say Hojo didn't get the credit he deserved, but Garland is win, because he's not really doing it for evil.  ILHI
  34. This was a tough decision, but Garland was more interesting a character.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 13:52, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
  35. For those of you who think that SOLDIER wouldn't exist without Hojo, are you mentally ill? That was Gast's project, not Hojo's. Garland created a race. Hojo, merely shot a hell load of cells into a baby while it was growing in the womb. There really is no comparison. lennethebeauty
  36. Hojo just didnt do it for me in FFVII Mr_Darkside 22:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
  37. I absolutely HATE Hojo. I'll vote for Garland. --Sencilia 09:21, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
  38. Garland is a good character --AndreaFox 14:04, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. The infamous scenes with Zidane and his friends happened in his castle... so yeah. Oh, and he pwned Alexander. 121.223.138.79 11:10, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  2. He's a cool old man. He created Kuja, who is a very underappreciated villian, and in my opinion a greater villian than the momma's boy, and he also created Zidane, who is one of my favorite protaganists and a refreshing change from the emo and mentally disturbed protaginsts that Square keeps throwing at us. Garland also doesn't take shit from anybody. When Kuja turns on him, Garland just immediately finds a way to stick it too him for his betrayal. 96.234.74.96 16:36, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Vote against FF7. 62.252.178.158 12:00, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Garland owns anytime... he destroyed eidolons and even created a race82.155.222.241 18:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Hojo annoys me... 206.248.110.71 13:17, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
  6. 169.139.1.20 14:18, October 19, 2009 (UTC) Lab coats ftw
  7. Garland used Terra to crash in Gaia killing most life on it(through FUSION spell where Terra merged with Gaia), influenced the planet's evolution during 5000 years(through the Iifa Tree), and then used the Tree to merge the planets' Crystals together and started the proccess of replacing Gaia's soul-cicle with Terra's soul-cicle, only for the survival of the Terrans. All that is much more than Hojo did. And Garland, together with the Iifa Tree and the planet Terra, are similar to Lavos, and that's pretty cool. 189.32.65.245

Peanut GalleryEdit

I'm not sure who to blame, the people who suggested this fight or TA for putting it up. Drake Clawfang 01:29, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

My Idea pal, If you don't like it, You might wanna have a look at the suggestions page every once in a while. It was well supported by some of the biggest names in the DNC, and there were a grand total of zero rejections. I'm Okay with people not liking my ideas, you just might wanna get your thoughts in while they still count for something. Just saying --RedMageSOLDIER 05:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
"biggest names in the DNC", lol. Big fish in a small pond, comrade. The DNC's been sliding downhill for a while now, I just take this as a sign it's hitting bottom. Drake Clawfang 05:43, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
shut up, nobody gives a shit.
Who are the biggest names of the DNC anyway? TheBlueDragoon 23:51, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
To my knowledge that would be you BD, The dreadnaught, Ninja of wind. You know the people the contribute regularly to the suggestions page and seem to give a damn that the page isn't taken good care of. --Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX 15:24, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. I never knew my presence there really mattered. I'm just monitoring it. Calling me a big name is a bit of an exaggeration in my book, but thanks all the same. TheBlueDragoon 19:14, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Oh and could someone fix the formatting of the page. I'd love to, but to be honest, I wouldn't know how and I wouldn't want to get my hand slapped--RedMageSOLDIER 05:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Done. The code was missing one line. ;) SamSandy 08:33, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

It's not a bad fight in itself, but it's uninteresting because there are too many VII fanboys who have never played other FF's let alone IX who would never vote against anything from their beloved game, this was bound to be a landslide from the start, thats why its a bad pick for DNC 168.28.43.166 16:27, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I'd love to see more fights that have not really anything to do with VII becuase of this. Its always a landslide so its really not interesting.'
I think this is a good fight, in essence. Even if it's a landslide, it's a really good fight for the non-fanboys who have played both games. JohnnyC 01:03, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Just because some of us voted for the FFVII character over the FFIX character doesn't necessarily mean that we're all FFVII fanboys. Both characters and both games are awesome. In this particular instance, the FFVII character won. After all, let's not forget what a titan Vivi is in this Colosseum.CodeNameRedXIII 18:31, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
Just voting hojo doesn't make you a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, and he's a very respectable character who pretty much is the cause of the entire FFVII compilation, not a bad track record, the annoying part is the "im voting hojo cause idk who the hell garland is" votes or the votes for hojo because he created the villian and hero, despite that garland did the same thing (and I'm not refering to the votes of just hojo created <seph/cloud/soldier> and they are cool, which is somewhat more reasonable), 7 votes fall under one or the other of those two categories 74.166.76.13 19:12, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Can we call this done (early) and move on to a better fight?--Flaremmm 04:07, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I agree.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 16:12, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a shame that good ideas for fights have to become landslides just because of everyone loving VII. MisfitAirship

Actually at the moment it's 29½ vs 24, I wouldn't call this a landslide, 27½ to 24 if you discount the "idk garland but i played VII!" votes, this might be a good fight. Zuken 20:05, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it changed a lot from the last I looked at it. That's much better. But when you read the votes for Hojo, you sure depicted the lot of them well, lol. MisfitAirship

ditto this might be good yet--Flaremmm 20:46, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

The argument "hojo wins cause he caused VII" is getting annoying, for those of you who didn't play IX enough *spoiler*: garland caused IX... just like hojo! yes everything in IX is somehow his fault, either by him or the silver haired villain he produced, including the blond haired hero? sound familiar? I'm not trying to say your wrong to like hojo, but find a better reason to vote him over garland Zuken 20:08, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

If you look at it from the other angle, there are many votes for Garland that actually don't count that Hojo is also responsible for both the villain and hero of FFVII. And then there's the one who didn't realize it was FFIX Garland, not FF&Dissidia one.Zak Undersn 20:29, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
Some people feel that it's all the same person, I only saw one vote for garland which ignored hojo's exploits (the first one) and I addressed that in my vote (second one), though I do enjoy people share a reason for voting against each other (votes for hojo because garland had good intentions, followed by votes for garland because he had good intentions) Zuken 16:24, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Wow this is quite good, Hojo is only winning by half a vote--Flaremmm 21:05, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Because most people played VII over IX, Hojo wins. Don't think I'm a fan of VII. I just liked Hojo. Alexalibur 15 October, 21:06, 2009 (UTC).

Okay, really, fights typically slide towards one candidate quickly. Why is it that FFVII gets all of the flak whenever a character from it starts winning? What about the huge amount of people here complaining about "VII fanboys"? Did you see me complaining about "VIII fanboys" messing up last week's fight? Have I played FFIX? No. But it's sort of unreasonable to expect people to know everything about every inane character matchup that might occur.Neo Bahamut 03:18, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'll bite. VII gets the flak, not just because one of it's characters take an early lead, but because it's characters /always/ take the lead, every time... yes squall won that last fight, but had it been VIII's cid vs X's cid... it very well might have been a different story, not so with VII characters, except for some oddball match ups like yuffie vs vivi... And that's just it, garland isn't an inane character, he's a central plot point, but if you don't know anything about him thats fine... this /is/ a wiki, his name is a link to a page with every scrap of information about him, and if you don't want to learn about the opponent than it really is better you not vote. Zuken 05:48, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
But you're wrong. If you go back through the archives, there are several fights where opinions have been divided, or FFVII characters have just plain lost. And since you brought up the point of Vivi, how come no one is mbitching about Vivi fans? Now, did I say I didn't know anything about Garland? No, I said I never played FFIX. Which means that I'm still likely going to vote for the character I'm more familiar with. Actually, I was likely to vote for Hojo simply because it's annoying to hear people whine that people dare to vote for FFVII characters. Seriously, it really turns off potential voters. Look, the point is that every time a fight with an FFVII character comes up/is suggested/is over/whatever, someone ALWAYS feels the need to open their traps & complain about the "FFVII fanboys." It's annoying. And it doesn't really happen for any other game, even though we get similar votes. This IS the FF Wiki, you can expect FFVII to come up from time to time.Neo Bahamut 06:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
It's annoying, but it'll happen for all eternity. When something gets awfully famous there will be always 4 sides: The ones who dislike it just because they didn't like it. The ones who like it just because they enjoyed and liked it. The fanboys. And the ones who think anyone who liked it are fanboys and dislike it just because it's famous. And about FFVII, there are more of any of the two last groups alone than the first two together. Zak Undersn 16:24, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not gonna turn this into a flame war, but the difference between vivi and random VII characters is that 99% of vivi's votes are for vivi, while there is some notable percentage of, for example, hojo's votes which are more for VII than for hojo, I'm not saying that VII characters don't win legitimately, or that the number of such votes is overwhelming, but it happens with VII more than any other game, (and yes, I'm just as against votes that are made against VII and not for, say, garland) and yes you know about garland, but you've never seen him in action, this is consistent with many people who are saying hojo is better, thus the problem... and I'm not just anti-VII, I'd vote zack over any other character in the series Zuken 16:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Granted, Zak, but you missed ordinary fans (fanboy has more of a negative, obsessive connotation). Now, here's my thing with Vivi: I think he gets a lot of votes because he's a mascot character, honestly. He looks like the archetyptual black mage, he's a cute little whatever the Hell he is, & so on. I'm not saying Vivi is a terrible character that never did anything (logically speaking, I wouldn't know), but I have no idea what made him so damn famous, & few votes point to anything in particular. So, back to the subject of FFVII, I suppose a bit of hype backlash is to be expected, but I can just never get over how strong it is on the FF Wiki, of all places.Neo Bahamut 22:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I include fans into people who liked the game just because they enjoyed it. They like it to a greater extent, but still they don't go bitching about it everywhere like fanboys or haters do. And Vivi is... well, he's cute, he's a black mage, and powerful, and people use him a lot, and has a nice backstory too, so it's normal he gets all the votes. Anyway, I saw a lot of hate-ism towards FFVII everywhere, not only at the wiki, it's been a lot since that stopped to impress me. Zak Undersn 14:47, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I know it's fairly ubiquitous, there are just some areas you never expect it from. Hell, I went to an FFVII forum one time, & found a lot of disdain towards Sephiroth. I found that odd, considering that without Sephiroth, there would be no FFVII. Then again, they seemed to want a game where you fought JUST Jenova, so I guess you could still have something. I don't think it would be the same, though.Neo Bahamut 17:39, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Rofl at (not with) anonymous who pissed at Drake--Flaremmm 07:30, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

If we go by their accomplishments, I would vote in Garland, simply because of what I read in the FFIX Ultimania. The guy was responsible(directly or indirectly) for everything that happened on Gaia and Terra during the last 5000 years.

About the good lying within Garland's actions: He's not good, nor Terrans are. Terrans are a race who survive by assimilating other planets, stealing their lifeforce (or whatever you would call it) and decimating all the life on said planets, just to keep existing. How the hell is that good ? The fact that Garland is just acting for the good of his masters doesn't mean he's good in any sense. He's as evil as another mid-boss who acts just for his evil master's sake (I can't come with any example just now, the Turks, or Gilgamesh, maybe?). Terran's way of subsisting somewhat reminds me of jenova, who did similar things just for... instinct? I'm in no way accepting that Garland was good. And the fact that he wasn't good adds some points to his character. Zak Undersn 22:47, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

You're saying it's evil to kill things to survive? Because that's how eating works. There are also a few problems with your simile. For one, it's never explained what Jenova IS, so it's not really fair to compare the actions of a dying race struggling for survival to something that could be a demon, for all we know. Also, you're arguing that Garland is evil because it does things similar to Jenova, but that Jenova is evil is an assumption in the first place.Neo Bahamut 22:56, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
They destroy planets, for God's sake, that's not good. Yeah, it's their way to survive, but calling that eating doesn't mean it's any good, they don't do anything good for anyone in the whole game. Most of overworld monsters and enemies probably attack you just because they want to eat you, yet nobody thinks "oooh, poor boy, he isn't evil, he's just hungry", and I'm quite sure nobody would say that enemies are good; Terrans just do it on a bigger scale. Maybe calling it evil is a bit of an exaggeration (if we just skip all that ethic bullshit that says that eating intelligent or self-aware beings is not okay), but so is calling them, or Garland, good. And I'm not really sure that Terrans have the need to do that, that would make no sense, but on a second thought: it's FF, it just doesn't need to make sense. The Jenova thing was just a thought that ran across my mind. Zak Undersn 00:01, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
The exact phrase the person used was "relative goodness." And that's the key: "Good" is a relative term. What is good for the cheetah is not good for the antelope. And the comparison is perfectly apropo: Eating is consuming & destroying living things in order to prolong your own life. I'm not saying you have to agree with the villains' motives, or question why you kill the monsters (I do--wtf is everything trying to kill me for?), or anything deep like that, I'm just saying that these people are saying that Garland has motives that, while unethical, don't fall squarely under the title of "evil," since they're necessary for survival. Sephiroth wanting to destroy the world so he can become God can still fit, as can Emperor Gesthal wanting to conqueor the world. So no, calling Garland "good" is not an exaggeration, it's just a difference of perspective.Neo Bahamut 01:32, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Neo Bhamut - "There are also a few problems with your simile. For one, it's never explained what Jenova IS, so it's not really fair to compare the actions of a dying race struggling for survival to something that could be a demon, for all we know."

No, there isn't a problem with his simile:

A sentence describing Jenova, from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania: Final Fantasy VII Series Terms and Definitions - "It has an INSTINCTIVE drive to destroy planets, and is a highly dangerous entity, so as the ‘Calamity from the Sky’ it was sealed by the Ancients."

I've read that. It calls it a "highly dangerous entity." Doesn't explain anything about it. The problem still persists. Have you ever heard of a "killing instinct"? So far, it hasn't been suggested that Jenova really gets any benefit out of destroying planets. In other words, it may not be a natural force. It may exist only to destroy, without any real purpose. You see where I'm going with this?Neo Bahamut 05:44, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

We could enter a never-ending cycle of arguments for what's good or not, so I'll end it here. My last word about this will be: if something would want to eat my entire planet and all the life on it I would call it evil, no matter how much they need to eat me to survive, if they're going to annihilate my planet, I won't give to their actions any kind of good connotation. Zak Undersn 10:51, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Then you fall into that same distinction, we raise cows just for the purpose of chopping them into tiny bits and eating them, by your argument there is nothing good in that and it makes humans evil, actually it makes everything thats not a plant evil, and even some plants would fall into that... I accept that the terrans may not be good or evil, in the same context that zidane and gang may not be good or evil, they're just acting in the interest of their own survival even if it means the death of the terran race. Zuken 17:47, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Zidane DID lend a helping hand to Kuja. I'd be willing to bet that, if Garland would have let him, he'd have tried to find a way to help without destroying planets. In any case, it is a tricky question. On one hand, they're essentially just surviving, while on the other, it is fairly selfish, & they are consuming sentient lifeforms.Neo Bahamut 19:14, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Would it not be considered wrong if a struggling country on Earth decided to take over another country's land and kill everyone living there? (Not that it hasn't happened, more or less.) JohnnyC
That's actually a pretty bad analogy, as well. That doesn't really establish a need to kill anyone, it sort of reads like the country is being Evil for the Lulz.Neo Bahamut 22:12, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
And Garland helped Zidane to stop Kuja from destroying Gaia when it was no longer nesssecary to destroy it for Terra's sake, so it's not like he just wanted Gaia destroyed, once it was no longer to his benefit he did what he could to protect Gaia... Zuken 01:17, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

To unnamed voter: The fact that people can still take Kuja seriously while having child-bearing hips & a thong leads me to doubt that he's underrated. And Sephiroth overrated? Surely you jest.Neo Bahamut 02:54, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Can we... start a new fight? it has been 11 days since the voting started.Alexalibur 14:43, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

TA is probably busy. Change will come with time. TheBlueDragoon 23:53, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, this seems to happen a lot. Also, To Unnamed Voter II: Archetype. The word you are looking for is archetype, not prototype. And to be fair, Garland is just another Well Intentioned Extremist. What's great about Hojo, in my opinion, is that he IS an archetyptual mad scientist, without any major goals. It's great that a typically sci-fi character like that can work in a fantasy setting, although I would like it if they expanded on his past a bit. Maybe something on his childhood, for instance.Neo Bahamut 03:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I'll bite. That's exactly why Hojo is so great. He's a normal mad scientist. He does things that would be considered barbaric (Injecting a fetus with alien cells) yet he still is very popular. Garland really didn't have much of a back story, and the way he looks reminds me of Darth Vader. My point is that Garland should have been expanded on, because all we know about him is that he's the creator of the Genome race. He's a good minor villain, but if SE wanted to make him more prominent, they would have to expand on his back story. TheBlueDragoon 15:49, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
An expanded backstory is almost always a good idea. One of the flaws I think a lot of pre-VII games had is that the villains were just there to be evil. As opposed to the Face Heel Turn of Sephiroth, or the inferiority complex of Kuja, or even the stubborn ruler thing they were going for with Yu Yevon, you don't really find out much about Emperors Gesthal or Mattias, Kefka, Cloud of Darkness, etc., besides their personalities & end motives, & even those can be fuzzy, at times. I say "almost always," because I have mixed feelings about Dissidia making Garland another experimental super soldier who wants to destroy the world. Really, is the series so stale that we have to recycle the same old concepts? I think it isn't.Neo Bahamut 20:17, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
A lot of the villains were there just because they needed a villain (IE Emperor Mateus or Garland.) Kefka has a back story, and as much of a Kefka fanboy as I am, it pales in comparison to Sephiroth's back story. I liked Kuja because of his inferiority complex, it made him an endearing villain, at least in my book. As for the super soldier thing, I haven't played Dissidia (yet) but if thats true, then it seems a concept has been reused. The series isn't stale, it just needs some fresh air blown into it, and I think thats the role that FFXIII will play, a revitalization of the series. I personally like the idea of summons being tied to the L'cie. I still want Leviathan to be present though. TheBlueDragoon 22:54, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I know Kefka HAS a backstory, but IIRC, it's only in the Ultimania, & all of the translations of that I've seen (1) are hard-to-find & dubious, at best. The stuff about Garland is in "reports" that you unlock. It's not a bad story, necessarily, & Dissidia IS all about mixing-&-matching things from various FF games. That's why I said I have mixed feelings about it. And, of course, there's the ever-present question of just how much of Dissidia is actually canon, if anything is at all.Neo Bahamut 23:22, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Another good reason for people to register- if the anons were registered, Garland would be winning! Nokareon
I now stand on it. When is the fight going to change? TheBlueDragoon 01:15, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
When Duke Nukem Forever gets released. The.DreadnoughT 00:11, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Week 132: Lulu v. SquallEdit

FFX Lulu Art
DNC Versus
Squall Leonhart CG Render
WINNER!
Squall
60 1/2 to 33
I don't know what sense there is to this fight--I think the suggestion was something like Lulu is all nice and Squall is clueless--but will you take your emo sliced or with a side of milk? WINNER!
Squall Leonhart CG Render

Votes for LuluEdit

  1. Deathcab 19:32, September 27, 2009 Lulu nae bother.
  2. KodokuShizuka 23:48, September 26, 2009 (UTC) The word emo is getting so old. Besides I don't see why every person that's not happy or upbeat are looked at as being emo. I don't know about everyone else but the world would be a horrible place if everyone went around with smiles on their faces.
  3. First vote for Lulu! I like Lulu because she's a female Black Mage, my second favorite Job. TheBlueDragoon 21:32, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Just how many times am I going to vote on the left-hand side, anyway? Any why am I voting for a Black Mage when I normally support the physical-attack strategy? Oh, right: 1) Doublecast, 2) Flare, 3) Flare Fury, 4) Flare Fury (that was worth mentioning twice.) Oh, I missed something: the edit button to place my vote is farther away from where my mouse cursor is if I want to vote for Squall. Time saved, that's a nice bonus! Damnit, BlueDragoon, I beat you AND Blykus to the Edit button... The.DreadnoughT 21:36, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  5. If it's not because she's emo, and yet has a slightly better character than Squall, then it's her melons that would win this fight for her :D Boogum 22:01, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  6. I don't like either of them, but X is a much better game than VIII, so Lulu gets my vote.--StragusLore 22:32, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  7. I've never played VIII, but then again I've barely played X. However, I already find Lulu to be a hugely interesting character, and I can't wait to work my way into her history. Lulu it is! --KazeNoYouko 00:39, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  8. BlueHighwind : Does she wear panties underneath all those belts? Ponder that while I vote for the mediocre character from the mediocre game over the shitty character from the shitty game.
  9. Lulu fo' sho. Her occassional badassery mixed with her motherlyness makes her awesome. Her Fury is awesome, too. --ShinriS 06:42, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  10. I'd take a smart woman who's not afraid to speak her mind over the embodiment of teenage angst any day. Violetmage♥ 12:45, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Lulu's a beast, while Squall is kind of boring. Peanutthephantom 9:21, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  12. Boobs over emo gits, dude. --AuronKaizer! 17:07, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  13. I vote for Lulu, not beause I believe that she could actually win in a fight against Squall. He's a competent magic user and fighter. I like Lulu more. She's just cooler.CodeNameRedXIII 17:49, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Badag 18:25, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  15. What AuronKaizer said. FF74EVA! 21:07, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Love 8 but Lulu is cooler, done deal. --wee187 22:42, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  17. I just like her better overall xD There's always been something about Squall that I really don't like... I think it's all of his unheroic personality traits? Yzz 02:34, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  18. Tough one, I mean both have really ridiculous weapons. But DoubleCast Ultima is for me.Kelcius 03:59, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  19. I wish my grass was emo, so it could cut itself! Oh, and Lulu for having currently the greatest rack in Final Fantasy history. If only they made Ivy a FF character...Nashblade
  20. Definitely vote for Lulu, she is not only Black Mage, (best job there is) but she has Double-cast and Squall is to much of emotional person. - Fantasia_66
  21. Voting for the one who wasn't a sad appeal to the emo population. Nokareon
  22. Voting for the less mediocre one. As I stated on the peanut gallery: Squall's character development is just absurd. Zak Undersn 13:47, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  23. I never played Final Fantasy VIII, I have recently completed Final Fantasy X and I loved it. Plus Lulu was a very cool and strong character. D. Windshot
  24. Lulu is a much better character in almost every aspect.
  25. Lulu: one of my favourite female characters in FF universe -versus- Squall: one of my most unliked male characters in FF universe... Clear win for Lulu here :P MMLN メーマウリアン 06:35, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  26. Ultima 09:00, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  27. I prefer lulu 'cause she has too much boobage! XPGilgamesh
  28. For some reason Lulu has always been my favourite PC in FFX (Lucil being the favourite NPC for no apparent reason...), and I couldn't help laughing when I first heard her stern "Burn!" in combat. Although black magic loses most its potential by the end of the game (especially if obtained Celestial Weapons) I used her to take the beating in Dark Aeon -fights to raise up the others' overdrives. Althou Squall had a quite good story with some twists I never found him even half as useful in combat (well I never truly mastered many swordtechs, and with good junctions anyone can be useful...) Vohaul86
  29. Lulu is amazing. Not only because of her awesome boobs, but her killer personality!Zegota
  30. 03:58, September 30, 2009 (UTC)03:58, September 30, 2009 (UTC)~~kasumiKasumi1990 03:58, September 30, 2009 (UTC)kasumi1990 lulu is cool
  31. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. I like squall... but LuLu is awesome194.210.67.136 10:25, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  2. She's not from VIII 198.7.245.93 12:27, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  3. No competition in my opinion, Lulu is clearly the best.192.168.1.3 18:23, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  4. I like both of them about the same, so I'll give Lulu the vote since she appears to be the underdog here. 206.248.110.71 23:19, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Votes for SquallEdit

  1. Blykus 21:29, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  2. SnowiiIt's a hard choice but i have to say squall. hes one of my mains in dissidia, after cloud of course
  3. The're both complete jerks in the beginning of the game, but Squall is jerkier. Oh, and Gunblade over Dolls anyday. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 23:11, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Lulu is just creepy. JohnnyC 00:57, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Because Squall's in Dissidia, and at least he doesn't have much of a blind faith as Lulu has in the beginning of X. Gotta go with the taciturn leader on this on.--Cluna 06 23:55, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
  6. This is a tough fight. I guess I'll go with my gut and say Squall. I'm anti-social, so he resonates with me. ClixPsi
  7. I know more about the shitty character, plus gunblade is awesome even if the game is shitty.YAY seventh vote Flaremmm
  8. He's deceptively idealistic(almost as much as Zidane). He's looks cooler, is undoubtedly a better fighter,(and thanks to GF can be a better BM). Plus his character still gets a lot of crap for no real reason. I hope Dissida cleaned up some of it, as he really is a bad dude, and more awesome considering he mostly hangs out with the two coolest heroes on Cosmos' side. AnonyMan
  9. Don't need to think. --Silver Mage Omega FF5 07:47, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  10. Never played VIII, so this is a vote for the person who DIDN'T have sex with Wakka. Also, Squall is a good character in Dissidia and I like his jacket. Silver Dragon XXVIII 11:23, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Munk451 I can not begin to count how many times i have played FF8. It is that awesome! I simply enjoy the cold, silent protagonist that unusually warms up at the end.
  12. How can I not vote on him? SquallisbetterthanCloud 14:25, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  13. Bahh, I kinda hate it when they put my favourite kick-ass characters fighting each other, but since Squall is the best video game character there ever was, still is or will ever be, my vote is for Commander Leonhart! As Finland's biggest Squall fan I am almost obliged to vote for him, but I would do it anyway. I love gunblades, I love wearing black clothes, the hair is so cool and the scar! And I also love sword-fighters, especially those with a bit unusual swords ;)So, go Squall, GO! Dramirth
  14. Gotta be Squall for the win he has the coolest weapon in FF History --RedMageSOLDIER 16:27, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  15. Squall hands down. He is the best protagonist in any FF game. Yeah BlueHighwind..I said it. 63.139.176.68 16:35, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  16. Obivously... Jis 17:37, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  17. Squall. He's NOT emo, he has weird but not idiotic sword (cloud "cough") and okay outfit. Whining doesn't matter, everyone's whiner anyway. Johuotar 18:16, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  18. I have a special connection to FF8. It was the first Final Fantasy game i played, although it was the latest for me to complete (only about 6 years after first playing it). Squall may be cold at the start, but he works through his issues in the end. Also he has a cool dad. Bruntie2 19:15, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  19. Rinoa leonheart 19:56, September 23, 2009 (UTC) O YA GO SQUALL
  20. He the third best hero and my fifth favorite character in Dissidia. And Mystic Flurry > Furry Magic. I never could use her Overdrive.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 20:55, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Gunblade vs. Moogle Doll Sunpanda2012
  22. As much as they're both good characters, Squall IS the main character which gives him more time to develop. MisfitAirship
  23. User:chaosshaun Obviously Squall, because he's one of the best ever Warrior-class protagonists ever in the FF series.
  24. Squall would beat the living crap out of her. Even if Squall haves to draw her Magic, he can still get up to her face and slash it off. SuperGuyverUSA 9:39, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
  25. Squall+Rinoa=sweet.
    Lulu+...Moogle doll?... or Wakka... but still. madaskueuchiha 12:13, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  26. The heart of a lion. -- Saethori (T / C) - 09:00, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Both games are special to me; VIII was my first FF game, X probably my favourite, but I'll vote for Squall. a) He doesn't blindly follow a silly religion, b) He's not dating Wakka, ya? (nothing against W as a fighter, mind) c) He's probably the most unpleasant hero in the series. I mean, he told Quistis to 'go talk to a wall'. Nasty! TomServo101 09:12, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  28. Don't know why but I've always liked Squall - Ash Crimson 10:54, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  29. I'm not really a fan of Lulu, where's her black mage hat? Terra_Homing 16:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  30. Better bildugsroman.--Werefang[T/A] 19:51, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Fewer belts. Karu
  32. Squall's one of my favorite characters ever! Rach981 22:57, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  33. BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|23:38, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Squall's like me, and I can relate to him and I like him for that. User:crims0nf0rtune 24:23, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
  35. Gotta go with Squall on this one Mr_Darkside 09:15, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  36. A very hard choice for me, since I love both characters. However, I've loved Squall longer, and he's too hot to pass up, thus he gets my vote. SamSandy 09:42, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  37. Squall is the better character becous one: hes awesome, and two: He has a gun spliced with a sword(just basic genetic engeneering). Even though that X was the first game i played that character is just an Awesome one GUNEBLADE RULES !!! Bjarnster 13:05, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  38. Of course I pick Squall, why not? Kuzlalala Squee! 14:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
  39. Much more squall becomes better in dissidia and i really enjoyed what he was talking in his head, Forget about everything else. Alexalibur 15:55 September 26, 2009 (UTC)
  40. Squall. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 17:29, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
  41. Whatever... CheeseNinja 06:00, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  42. i vote here--ALEX 06:21, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  43. MILK!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 11:28, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  44. They both have good damage output, but Lulu has significantly lower hp. Point Squall Omnigeek 11:44, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  45. Squall is really cool and he's just plain cooler than Lulu. Legend of Fantasy 17:58, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  46. The intro to this fight made me laugh, though I'm really sick of people calling Squall emo. Lulu I could care less about. Anyway, I'm going with Squall. He kinda reminds me of me, VIII was the first FF I ever played, and he's the best FF protagonist there's ever been. Nevanus 19:18, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
  47. Squall had an interesting gameplay mechanic with firing the Gunblade.--Ascendant of Dusk 02:26, September 28, 2009 (UTC)Ascendant of Dusk
  48. Squall.....that is all. BlackStarz 06:36, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
  49. Mr. Rojo: Squall is my favorite character, I like his design a lot and he is from my favorite game in the series. 22:21, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
  50. User:starwarsdude8221991: Defentently Squall
  51. First time I played X, I liked Lulu. First time I played VIII, I hated Squall. Recently I've replayed both and found that my opinions have completely switched! Also Squall is buddies with Zidane in Dissdia, which is good enough for me. Hyacynth
  52. Rockmanmegaman: I play both FFX and FFVIII, I find Squal far better, because of his attack and it's pretty amusing everytime he rejects Zell ^_^ and he's not an emo, he's just afraid of losing someone.
  53. A Gunblade is a lot better then a stuffed toy NeoExdeath 02:13, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
  54. Annoying NinjaHallo!Contrib.06:15, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
  55. He's got a friggin gun! Death Reunited
  56. CardboardBoxMan: Squall for sure. His limit break would destroy her. Plus he has a gunblade.
  57. [[User:ElectricSnowman] : I would have to say Squall but it's very close
  58. AznBolt i think squall would win, even though i dont like him, because he's too whiney and emo, but in a fight he would win
  59. Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX 06:40, October 7, 2009 (UTC) Gotta be squall, His Bravery attacks in Dissidia are the Shit! That is how a Gunblade was supposed to be used
  60. Rocking Chair: Any other day i would of picked Lulu. But for a black mage, she was pretty average. Squall is probably the only character (Other than Edea) that i could stand in FFVIII

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. 98.180.71.73 18:20, October 3, 2009 (UTC)Now,...who made the cut for Dissidia again?

Peanut GalleryEdit

Okay, this is the last time I'll ask: Can we please stop referring to these two as emo? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:59, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, please! What does that word even mean anymore? It's like the only characters that can get away with withholding emotions without being made fun of are the "badasses". Give it a rest. AnonyMan 06:52, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Yup, word "Emo" is actually a complete antithesis of both those characters. Squall is a loner, and don't give a shit about what people think about him, and Lulu is more of a Goth to me. For what I think, idiots who describes them as emo, are either too stupid to know what that mean, or see that those characters are way cooler than themselves and call them emo in revenge. A few years ago, everyone was using word "Fag", and now "Emo". Soon other words would be used. SquallisbetterthanCloud 14:34, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Correction: Squall starts as a loner, and he's the only one on the crew who seems to know that they're supposed to be elite soldiers. After the end of CD2 he becomes mainly retarded and his becomes the worst character developement ever. Lulu is just a nice secondary character. Zak Undersn 15:12, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Heh, stupid emos. --AuronKaizer! 20:19, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

yeah badasses are getting annoying now, this seems to be a good fight the votes are neck to neck

Ack! Another fight I find myself unable to vote on! I failed to participate last time due to total apathy, but this week I genuinely can't decide between them. Squall probably has more of a personality than Lulu, and is actually my favourite protagonist - from the small part of VIII I have managed to play (and I find myself struggling to like the game itself) Squall has actually made more sense to me than any other character in the game, and possibly the series. I find myself reading into the overabundance of elipses, and when he does talk, I know exactly what he means (tip: Replace some of the elipses with "WTF?", and you're halfway there). However, I do tend to struggle in battle, and having not played further than Disc One prevents me from making a fully informed decision. On the other hand, Lulu has less of a personality, though what does exist is generally agreable. Using her Black Magic spells is practically half the game won already, and she does wear That Outfit. So generally all good, but I can't really come to a decision because of that. So yay, and also boo. The Man In The Black Cape 17:35, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I understand the connection! They both wear way too many goddamn belts! (Square-Enix Producer: "Can we add more belts to this character? There's just not enough damn belts on this person. More belts please." Character Designer: "Sure! How does a few hundred extra unneeded belts sound?" Producer: "That's a start.") What's up with all the fucking belts? Their clothes are too tight to fall off. This is not Soul Caliber, where clothing is made entirely of belts and jock straps.CodeNameRedXIII 17:42, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, Squall's overall design(redsigns in other series excluded) doesn't have that many belts. He's really not wearing any more than you're average RPG or anime "cool" character. Lulu however, obviously, does. Plain and Simple. AnonyMan 19:23, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I hate the word emo. Simple as that. It's the name of an image that people give themselves because they think pretending to be depressed is cool. On that note, neither of these two are emo anyways. Lulu is just goth. Squall is just quiet and moody, not depressed. JohnnyC 21:57, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Damn, I was about to say the same thing in different words. Lulu is gothic, but Sqaull is harder to define. He's more the lone wolf type than emo. I haven't played FFVIII in years, but he's definitely NOT emo. TheBlueDragoon 00:27, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
Squall is not emo. He is simply a quiet, serious guy who wants the idiots surrounding him (Zell, Selphie, etc.) to just leave him alone. I haven't even played VIII and I recognize this (mostly because I just described myself). Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:49, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

-oh...i didnt know that either of them were a music genre, because you know....thats what emo is

People who say that one of Lulu's pluses is Dualcast should try and play FFVIII, cast Triple magic, and Triplecast with anyone. "The Dualcast is better" reason compared to a character from FFVIII is just...stupid. SquallisbetterthanCloud 09:16, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

What's Triplecast do, cast three spells? Let's put Triplecast up against the W-Summon Materia, paired with the Knights of Round Materia. See my point? Or, if it's repeated spells you want, check out VI- Doublecast, Quick (which gives the character not one, but two additional turns immediately, the second of which can include casting Quick again) and Quick being available under Doublecast. Here goes the Infinite Spell Spam! The.DreadnoughT 00:53, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
Spamming Magic isn't what FFVIII is about, spamming Limit Breaks is what VIII's about, TripleCast is so you can use the Insta-Limit Aura spell on the whole party at once. And Most of the cast have extremely overpowered Limits, being able to use them in succession is much worse than Magic spamming and MUCH easier to accomplish. AnonyMan 03:21, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I should've specified that it was Relm's Ultima being spammed. Also, Relm's Flare, Meteor, etc. Alternately, Locke with the Offering, Genji Glove, Illumina and ValiantKnife can potentially hit for quad-nines three times (Illumina, Randomcast Holy, ValiantKnife) for each of the "four" attacks from X-Fight, and thus equal Knights of Round. The.DreadnoughT 18:07, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's right, isn't all about spamming magic. It's about spamming draw->store and attack. In fact, I found magic quite useless on FFVIII aside from junctions.Zak Undersn 17:38, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
Quick > Triplecast for just one reason: it lets you spam anything you damn well please. Triplecast only works on magic (and, indirectly, Limit Breaks, I suppose) My first example was with magic, because Quick, being magic, works most efficiently as a magic-spammer paired with Doublecast, since this lets you use the second added turn to do something and recast Quick. However, since its effects grant someone an extra pair of turns, they can actually spam anything they want on the turn in between. The.DreadnoughT 21:48, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

People (even video game characters) should never be stereotyped.--Silver Mage Omega FF5 10:47, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


The word "emo," when applied to either of these characters, is illogical. For that matter, "goth" is too, even if it is more apt. We're using words that relate to people and have connotations (either good or bad) which exist in our world, not the respective Final FANTASY worlds in which the characters live. In Lulu's eyes, she's not gothic at all. Just a lady with red eyes and black clothes, and she's not the only one who fits this description (Paine). And Squall has never referred to himself, nor have his friends ever referred to him, as "emo." The terms "emo" and "goth" are an individual's way of defining themselves, and neither Lulu nor Squall used those terms. So lets stop pigeon-holing and simplifying them. These characters have a depth which surpasses shallow terms like "emo" and "goth," and whether you like or hate them, they stand as individuals, not members of a certain "emo" or "goth" subculture that exist in our world.CodeNameRedXIII 15:49, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

What you're saying doesn't make sense. Characters can be made to be goths an emos in video games just as they can be made to be horny and annoying.  ILHI 16:28, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
Horney and annoying are characteristics, not subculture references.CodeNameRedXIII 16:43, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
Eh, I suppose. I was wrong there. But emo and goth refers to a collection of characteristics all applied at the same time. This collection of characteristics can occur in video games.  ILHI 16:51, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
You're right. They can, and typically do. However, there is a fine line between how we define these characters, and how they define themselves. If we consider the worlds in which they live to be entirely autonomous from our own, then we must acknowledge that their self-defined characteristics are as well, even though they may resemble ours. Though we may think of Squall as "emo," he never refers to himself as "emo," nor is referred to by anyone else as "emo." If we look at these worlds as products of our own (which, arguably, they are), then we have to look at the definitive definitions we place on words like "emo." Since "emo" isn't exactly in Webster's, it's more of a self-defining term, and still, Squall does not refer to himself nor define himself as an "emo." Yes, you can have "emo" characters in games. Yes, you can have "emo" characteristics in characters. But unless they refer to themselves as "emo," they're not exactly "emo" at all.CodeNameRedXIII 17:11, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
And they can't be "emo" because "emo" as a word does not exist. However, "emo" people rarely identify themselves as emo; it is from an observing party that the title is applied. Because we can observe these characters we can (incorrectly, mind you) identify them as "emo" by our own (perhaps faulty) standards.--Werefang[T/A] 19:44, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Who is the anonyomous retard who put a vote for Lulu on the Squall side of the line, not even in the voting section, and several light-years from the anon votes section. The Man In The Black Cape 18:47, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Oh joy, another one sided fight. I lost count. I think this is the fourth one in a row? TheBlueDragoon 02:35, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Third one in a row. --Silver Mage Omega FF5 04:27, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

How come is someone able to add coments and edit something below the line that goes "DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!!!". United Nations Organization should start thinking about licenses to surf the internet.Zak Undersn 15:35, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Because below that line is two symbols. And if those two symbols are broken you break the entire DNC.  ILHI 15:39, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. I meant that someone wrote below it even with that "ALL CAPS WARNING!!!". And, of course, he broke all DNC. And someone did it again below the warning line below what I'm writing right now.Zak Undersn 16:11, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I don't have any qualms about using the word "emo," but I like it to be correct in at least the colloquial sense. In other words, it doesn't have to personify what emo LITERALLY means (because good luck finding someone who actually knows that), but it at least has to be a character who's somewhat depressing & overemotes. I'm not sure about Squall, but that definately isn't Lulu. However, given the way people talk, you'd think that emo meant "wearing 50% or more black clothing." It makes me wonder if they crash funerals & call everyone there emo. As for the vote, I'll decide later, althouigh in all honesty, it'll probably be Lulu. I haven't seen too much of Squall, but I don't even really know what this match is about....70.211.186.104 19:35, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

emo=idiot
idiot=bring on the next fight

Jis Umm...no. And even so, that's still not Lulu.Neo Bahamut 00:49, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Can we call this fight already? Squall won hands down. TheBlueDragoon 00:37, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the one week time period over? -- Silver Mage Omega FF5 10:37, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Its been over for a day or so. TheBlueDragoon 18:21, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of this fight...even if Squall is in it. -- Silver Mage Omega FF5 12:22, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
I agree, we need a new fight, and could TA have a look at NinjaOfWind's new rules ideas. Come to think of it its starting to look like the DNC has been abandoned --RedMageSOLDIER 17:46, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
For the record, I'm the one who called for the change in rules. NoW Just summed it all up for us. TheBlueDragoon 02:02, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
So can we be done with this fight now or shall we rebel and open our own colosseum? Just kidding DNC Rocks!--Biggs and WedgeBiggs Wedge FFX 06:44, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Who deleted the anonymous votes for Sqaull line? i think they need some LMAONADE--Flaremmm 05:14, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

why were the last 15 or so votes for squall deleted? I had vote 77 so squall won by a lot more...

because someone screwed up the anonymous votes bar so that the numbers combined. When the votes were tallied up this was fixed and reorganized correctly --Flaremmm 22:32, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
ah well, if the number came out right... still would have been better to move the anon votes instead of just deleting a bunch of votes, mines not even up there anymore Zuken 17:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Week 131: Drain v. OsmoseEdit

DNC Versus
WINNER!
OSMOSE
It's another spell battle: Drain versus Osmose or Aspir or Syphon or whatever you want to call it. Which is more useful? WINNER!
49½ to 15½

Votes for BodyEdit

  1. MP is good but HP is necessary Flaremmm
  2. Only in FFVI, to my knowledge, are there things that can die by running out of MP. Stealing HP, on the other hand, is actually productive (especially considering that Osmose requires MP anyway. Speaking of which, welcome to the Department of Redundancy Department. The.DreadnoughT 23:00, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  3. So many creatures don't even have MP. Why prefer something when it isn't even there half the time. You can find HP on creatures everywhere you go, so Drain can help you anytime that mage has critical health. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2-
  4. Blykus 16:16, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  5. I don't use either often, but PSI Magnet (Mother series) is indefinately better than Osmose. An MP-stealing spell using MP makes no sense, no matter how low an MP cost it is. Pikmin Master 16:20, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  6. Vivi is pretty damn deadly with Drain. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|01:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  7. I never use either much, but since I usually grind a lot throughout the whole game(s), I'm usually more of a physical attacker until the boss battles, so Drain would be more useful to me.--madaskueuchiha
  8. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 18:01, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  9. HP is better then MP because of many reasons. Mostly because you need HP to live and I dont use much Magic, besides in Final Fantasy VI and XII SuperGuyverUSA 5:56 September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  10. Remember Final Fantasy VIII? No MP there, and when you junctioned 100 Drains to ST-atk, you've had blood weapons! #SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
  11. MrAllStar2 : i never use osmose or drain, its called cure and ethers, but Kimahri's lancet is the closest thing i used to drain, and FFVIII doesnt use MP anyways
  12. Drain FTW. -wtdrmfrthwbzn
  13. Osmose never seems to work when I really need it... Drain isn't really much of a threat but I've definitely used it more. Terra_Homing 02:12, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Mhm. peanutthephantom 19:10, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
  15. I agree With The Dreadnort. Using a spell that requires MP to get MP is entirely redundant --RedMageSOLDIER 01:46, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. The truth is I hardly ever use either spell, but when I do, I find Drain to be much more useful. I usually don't use a lot of magic, so I don't tend to run of MP too often, so when I do I can just use one Ether. Plus, Drain recovers HP which is more important than MP if you think about it. 206.248.110.71 01:48, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Votes for SoulEdit

  1. I hate having to use Ethers on mages, but this spell makes it so I don't have to.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 12:18, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  2. You can just use Cure to heal HP, Osmose is the only spell that restore MP.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 12:20, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Ethers are too scarce and cost too much Gil. The worse that can happen to you if you use Osmose is lose 1 MP. Violetmage♥13:06, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  4. Why waste Ethers when you can just nick your opponent's MP? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Omg now I get to vote in the black background box 8D Vivi + Osmose = win. 8bit 13:51, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  6. I only used Osmose in VI. I didn't use Drain ever. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 13:56, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  7. More MP? AND the enemies can no longer afford to cast their spells? It's a win-win spell. ClixPsi
  8. Masamune: Drain doesn't hurt the enemy enough or heal the caster enough to be worth it. Osmose can come in handy in a tight spot.
  9. Drained of MP an enemy can't cast spells on you or harm you. Plus Drain sucks Hamfruitcake 09 19:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  10. Drain spells neither dmg enemy enough or heal allies enough, osmose is much more powerful and mp is harder to restore. And its fun to kill magical enemy by depleting its mp. Johuotar 20:05, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  11. Victory for one of the most deadly spells in FF. FinalAnnihilator 20:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  12. Yes I do hate Osmose why do you ask? --Gamer2127 20:37, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  13. Seriously, with Ethers usually hard to come by or very expensive, Osmore is just the better choice. Plus it usually costs next to no MP to cast. Osmose win my vote. TheBlueDragoon 21:00, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  14. Boogum 22:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  15. I don't use either one, but generally, Drain doesn't heal you that much. Osmose would save a lot of money, since Ethers are usually expensive. JohnnyC
  16. Don't use either often but osmose is the most useful of the two Cammy G 01:07, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  17. most things i fought in most ff games had too little/no mp for this to be good, but simply from how good it was in vi, this easily wins. drain i never bothered with, especially after i found out i had a horrible habit of finding out a moment too late that my enemy was considered undead >_<Akbaroth 05:18, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  18. Osmose so you have the MP to cast Curaja next turn User:Neosamuel
  19. I dont use either but MP is harder to get then HP so.... Mr_Darkside 12:48, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  20. In some games eithers are so darn expensive.. better to just use a spell to do it.Bjarnster 21:31, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  21. Free bird 13:54, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Due to my love of magic I vote for Osmose. At only 2 MP, you save yourself an expensive Ether/Hi-Ether. Can't go wrong with that!
  22. Chicken grease salt Bruntie2 16:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  23. The more magic points you have , the more damage you can inflict on your enemies with spells much more powerful than Drain. It's easy to regain HP's. there was only one time i used drain consistently, and that was for a single battle in FFX when all my other party members were ejected from the battle, and I only had Rikku left. I just rotated drain and ultima with a double cast. but, other than that instance, I never use drain. I constantly use osmose.CodeNameRedXIII 16:45, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  24. Personally, I LOVE osmose, sure it does not work very well in IV. But it is almost required for some of the games, hell, every time I play VI I get that as quickly as possible, and in II I always give it to my main caster. Exdeath64 18:27, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  25. BlueHighwind : I actually used this spell once... I think it was FFV, who knows? Actually, I almost never used either of these attacks, I was too busy casting a MAN'S spell like "Ultima". True Fact: your dick grows one millimeter every time you use "Ultima".
  26. Well Drain and Osmose aren't very good in FFX, but i prefer Osmose better, because it saves you from having to find ethers Destriker73 22:32, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
  27. Cloudiroth
  28. I never use either much, but I use Osmose much more than Drain (although, that's still extremely rarely). Legend of Fantasy 01:26, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  29. Munk451 It is simple. Osmose is one VERY annoying spell if it is used on you, but if you use it on an enemy, it can be beneficial to you!
  30. Whilst Drain is for everyone, Osmose is a lifesaver (coz it actually drains a lot of MP) when you have a good mage (Vivi anyone?). Plus you save on those expensive Ethers.CheeseNinja 14:23, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  31. Drain has no real use, Osmose is amazing in many games where MP restoration is hard. Especially FF6. FFIV: The After also comes to mind. Another landslide fight... -Nokareon
  32. I value mp over hp. Enough said.FF74EVA! 18:28, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  33. Wanna know why Black Mages have MP Absorb in FFX-2? Yeah. That's what I thought. Now if the White Mages have Osmose, it would definately be win!--Cluna 06 18:44, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  34. Sunpanda2012
  35. Just Attacking does more damage than Drain. Enemies usually can't replenish MP, so draining it from them with osmose is better.Ascendant of Dusk 20:48, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  36. Voting for this since Rasp is closer to Osmose. (And as any FF VI player knows, Rasp is the killer; regaining MP to heal also seems like a better idea.) --Silver Mage Omega FF5 02:42, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
  37. Osmose has saved me soooo many times while drain has done nothing but be a crappy weak attack NeoExdeath 03:14, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
  38. Osmose was a lifesaver in FFII. I've never found Drain useful outside of junctions. Avieure 09:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
  39. Osmose and Cure makes a character self sufficient. - Henryacores^ 17:23, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
  40. From the FFXII standpoint, Syphon is vay better than drain. Curaja and Attacking normally is so much easier and efficient because it does more both ways. However it's nice to take a reserve character out and drink up their MP like a straw to give it to someone else. --wee187 20:02, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
  41. Because it can actually be useful Yzz 01:57, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
  42. Maverick Riot 10:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC) Almost put Drain, then I remembered Syphon in FXII and how brilliant that was if used well... against your allies...
  43. Because HP can be healed with MP, and drain does low damage. KaiserPaladin 08:54, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  44. I slide today with more vocal majority on this one :) Drain is nice addition to Cure, but only equivalent to Osmose are Ethers, and they are in some games pain in the ass to get... MMLN メーマウリアン 11:18, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  45. Wow, what a BORING match. But anyway, Osmose is definetly more useful. A spell that costs 0MP and grants you more MP is much more of a lifesaver than a spell that steals HP... Simply because, there are lots of damaging spells, lots of healing spells and absolutely no MP restoring spells. *tries to imagine a flying ball of HP and MP going at it* Exciting. No78
  46. I don't even care that I get the MP. I just want to make sure that the opponent can't use magics, so that I can beat him down at my leasure. And in star ocean, no MP is the same as no HP so I still win, just faster.--Werefang[T/A] 13:17, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  47. i used Osmose more than i used drain --Yuffie2211 Uso mitai na I love you~ 09:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous VotesEdit

  1. Though I've never thought to use it for this, Osmose is the perfect way to regain MP. After all, the only way to restore MP outside of an inn or tents is with an Ether, or an even rarer Elixer. They're rare and/or expensive, which is why people, such as myself, tend not to use them except for boss battles or not at all. HP can be healed any number of ways. Plus, in terms of which one is more devastating, Osmose cast on my mages is far worse than Drain being cast on any of my characters. So in my book Osmose is a superior spell to Drain. 173.63.176.221
  2. Osmose is clearly more usefull... drain sometimes won't work (in certain games) and you need mp to cast it... osmose is to regain mp and if you have healing spells you can just use them... Osmose is ultimate pwnage81.193.212.48 15:55, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Why wait 3 disks to buy an ether when i could steal my MP from a flan? I can restore my HP from the beginning of the game!
  4. It is better to use your MP for strong magics and strong cure spells instead of using drain. Since drain heals and deals a small amount of damage 121.223.138.79 08:59, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Osmose has probably been used more then Drain for many uses such as regular black magic or in some cases white magic and summons which are much more helpful then draining about a hundred HP specially later in the game where you are in your thousands then Osmose helps by casting powerful nuclear powered black magic or overpowered summons or heal THOUSANDS with a Curaga if the user has both.
  6. Fighting Ultima Weapon in FF6 and NOT getting pwned by depleting his hp? I didn't think so. Admittedly, I used Rasp instead of Osmose there, but you get the idea. Draining MP = very useful. Not to mention that without MP, white mages cannot heal, and you WILL die. 62.252.178.158 22:53, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Peanut GalleryEdit

I want to point something out. There are plenty of ways to replenish a characters HP; namely, any version of the Cure spells, any of those different types of potion, and Drain. Most of which are very easy to get a hold of. MP, however, only has ethers (which tend to be either exceedingly rare, or in a limited number) and Osmose. So, in the sense that Osmose is the best way to regain MP, but there is better ways of recovering HP, Osmose is better than Drain. I also point out that while Elixirs and the such regain both, they are rarer than even ethers. So yeah.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 12:29, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I prefer spells that steal both HP and MP. Like Lancet or Absorb. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:50, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as how my strategy usually revolves around heavy casting, this was an easy choice. It was a good suggestion. Definitely something new. TheBlueDragoon 21:02, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
I limit myself on casting. Like I mensioned in my vote above, you can't always count on enemies having the MP that you need, so conserving it until you get to the next town or until you can blow it all on the next boss fight seems like a better strategy. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2-
Some of my strategies rely on heavy casting. In some games MP is ripe for the picking (FFVI) whereas in other games (FFIV) Osmose barely is worth mentioning. I can recall draining several hundred MP at time from regular enemies in FFVI, but a regular enemy in FFIV gives maybe 5 or 10 MP. Ethers are expensive in that game as well. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that the game determines my strategy. TheBlueDragoon 02:43, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this is just me, but I kind of hope the next battle is less of a one-sided battle. :/ ClixPsi Not voting. The battle is sort of meh, but that's not why. In general, neither spell is very good. Depends on the enemy, depends on the game. That being said, Lancet wins.Neo Bahamut 01:40, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Abstaining from voting since this was my proposal. Plus I like both spells too much to have to pick a favorite. x.x -- Saethori (T / C) - 18:09, September 11, 2009 (UTC) I vote lance Oni Dark Link 18:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

now that i think about it i never used these spells, except to test em out (thats once each). Flaremmm

Damn, this is the third one sided fight in a row. I'm not complaining, its a damn good fight, I'm just making a general observation. TheBlueDragoon 00:24, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I am filled with sadness. And MP. But mostly sadness. -- Saethori (T / C) - 05:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
It was a shame the Sin vs. Vegnagun battle was so one-sided. That was a good match-up, & I personally liked Vegnagun. At the very least, he's unique among FF bosses. It was essentially a sentient WMD that could have potentially destroyed the main antagonist, if everyone wasn't too scared to use it. The unfortunate thing is that Drain usually heals much too little to be a useful spell. Osmose, on the other hand, usually costs little to no MP to use and, while I didn't use it much either, could be a bit more helpful, depending on the game.Neo Bahamut 15:31, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
It was very one-sided. Sadly, we have yet another one sided fight. The only game I use Osmose is FFVI, and that's the only game it actually has a use in. FFIV it barely works late game. In FFX, you can usually only steal about 100 at a time, and then you're sunk when that's gone. Lancet is a good move, and it usually heals more than a Drain or Osmose spell. TheBlueDragoon 17:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, one of the arguments against that Genesis vs. Kuja fight I want so badly is that it'll probably be one-sided. But I think we're beginning to see that there's really no way of knowing that until it happens. VI, the only reason I could think of to use Osmose was for the few enemies that died when their MP ran out, but I didn't know which ones those were at the time, & even if I did, I could deal HP damage so much faster. X, the way it was handled there was just retarded. Each enemy had a preset amount of MP, which was usually very small, although none of their skills actually used it. So, when you used Osmose, you didn't weaken your foe at all, & you barely gained anything. Ironically, this is one of the games that drain was slightly more useful in. But I think I only had Mindy use it, & I used it a bit in the Evrae battle, & that was about it.Neo Bahamut 18:18, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
I could see a lot of battles being one-sided. I think Kuja versus Genesis would be one hell of a fight. And yes, in X, the enemies had preset MP and once it was gone that was it, you had to use Ethers. FFVI was the best way to use Osmose. Ultima Weapon was a famous example of the MP kill rule. I know this because I was replaying the game last night and I wiped out his MP. Anyway, Lancet is usually the better choice when available, but I still stand with Osmose. TheBlueDragoon 19:40, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Honestly I find both spells completely useless. The only time I've ever had to use them was in desperation during a boss battle, and they barely give me anything.--DarkTriforce 18:03, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Both spells per-se are just lame, the cool thing is to use its side-effects (Drain junctioned to attack, HP/MP Absorb materia, Spellblade...). In these cases, one usually excels and the other is just barely useful, guess which?Zak Undersn 13:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...toughie. Only used Drain in VIII (as a status attack junction) and Osmose in XII (yes, I know it's called Syphon there, but hey) and even then only during superbosses and the like. I don't use them enough really be fair to either. Plus I only use Lancet in X if I desperately need the MP (Dark Magus Sisters, for example) TomServo101 15:04, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about osmose's MP requirement, but as long as you don't fuck things up, you lose like...2. And, in Crisis Core, it costs 0 MP. Just seems like kind of a moot point, to me.Neo Bahamut 02:08, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Lance from FF5 is better than both Osmose and Drain. Even if only because it's both those spells at once without using MP. 62.252.178.158 22:55, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but now I really must put my two Gil's worth in. Osmose = Fail, Drain = Fail, right? So...

Lancet = (0.5 x Osmose) + (0.5 x Drain)
Lancet = (0.5 x Fail) + (0.5 x Fail)
Lancet = (0.5 + 0.5) x Fail
Lancet = (1) x Fail
Lancet = Fail

That provides mathematical proof that since both Drain and Osmose fail, so does Lancet. Just sayin'... The.DreadnoughT 21:32, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

You did your homework. I agree with you, I just am partial to Lancet, being a Dragoon and all. TheBlueDragoon 23:54, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
But since Lancet does not need MP, I think the fail quotient should be smaller than one, making it something like, for example
Lancet = (0.5 x (MP-Free-Osmose)) + (0.5 x (MP-Free-Drain))
Lancet = (0.5 x (0.7 x Fail)) + (0.5 x (0.7 x Fail))
And so on. Making it somewhat better than both spells Zak Undersn 14:24, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
So, Lancet = (0.5 x (0.7 x Fail)) + (0.5 x (0.7 x Fail)), Okay, that's the Fail Coefficient, by the way. Anyway, then it's like this:
Lancet = (0.5 x (0.7 x Fail)) + (0.5 x (0.7 x Fail))
Lancet = 0.7 ([0.5 x Fail] + [0.5 x Fail])
Lancet = 0.7 (2 [0.5 x Fail])
Lancet = 0.7 (1 [Fail])
Lancet = 0.7 x Fail
Works for me, but if f(X) = X (Fail), and X is greater than zero, it still fails. The.DreadnoughT 20:08, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
All people who actually calculate this kind of stuff = fail.

--AuronKaizer! 20:20, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

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