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Week 110: Maria v. Rosa[edit source]

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37 to 22 ½
They probably weren't singing about Maria in Final Fantasy VI, but which one of these women are more likely to have such a ballad written for them?

Votes for Maria[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind : For that boob plate. What other reason is there to vote for anybody this week?
  2. Because Maria can do everything Rosa does, and more. - Henryacores^ 01:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  3. Cloud 9000 01:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)cloud9000 maria is much cooler
  4. Well, If I remember correctly, I suggested the fight because they're both archers and Maria is a Black Mage and Rosa a White Mage. And we all know Black Mages rule (yes, yes I know FFII doesn't really have a job system, let it be.) Plus, Maria is powerful enough to defy the law of gravity with that er... attire.Winged Lion 01:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  5. Since both have the same personality as a plank, I'll go with battle usefulness, but since they'r both pretty much archers with magics, I'll go with the game they'r in, but since FFII and FFIV are on my bottom list, I'll go with their looks, and booooy you know who I likes best! Leon5550
  6. This one a bit unfair isn't it Maria? CookiePinguy 10:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  7. I'll go with Maria User:SOLDIER1stJ 7:40, 10 March 2009 9 (UTC)
  8. I like Maria more. Can't really pinpoint why, but she seems like she could have been an interesting character in my opinion.--Otherarrow 15:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  9. OK, I'm a bit biased. FFII was my first Final Fantasy, so I have some fond memories of the cast. That said, neither woman has a memorable personality or backstory. The only thing that makes Rosa "better" in terms of plot is being Cecil's girl. Both had a lot of plot potential (the relationship between Maria and Leon; the love triangel of FFIV). In combat, Maria whips the floor with Rosa. Even if you keep Maria a archer/black mage archtype, she'll turn out much more powerful than Maria. Because of weapon system of FFII, Maria will end up a superior archer, while Rosa's archery will largely be more secondary. In terms of magic, I've always liked black magic more than white magic. Now, of course, Maria can use white magic as well as any weapons she wants. In the end, Maria is whatever you want. Rosa is just your white mage with a lackluster bow. ClixPsi
  10. I have recently played FFII, so I would know that Maria is way better than Rosa. This fight is mostly about how the gameplay in FFII and FFIV let the characters gain and use abilities. Maria can be equiped with any weapon or spell and she can learn how to use it because of the game lets you customize your characters. Rosa is stuck with the same weapon type and pre-programed spells the entire game. Ninja of Wind
  11. Just cause PaladinCecil is annoying OwlEye 22:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  12. Hmm, an archer with predetermined white magic, or a character whose statistics are no more than a suggestion? //masterConjurer (Talk) 23:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  13. I prefer Maria's character design to Rosa's. — YuanSaluto!Acta 10:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  14. There's something about Maria that I like more. I wonder what it is? Chocolancer 15:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  15. I haven't played FFII, but I just have such an intense dislike for Rosa... and Black Mages own. SeraphSummoner 21:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  16. Rosa's an all right character, but she's in love with one of the stupidest men in the series. Maria also never gets any stupid, contrived Damsel-in-Distress sequences and she spends the game as a freedom fighter searching for her brother Leon, and that story made the ending of FFII quite bittersweet. Eowynjedi 19:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  17. I only know Maria, so I vote for her.Kuzlalala 00:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  18. Because she knows better that to fall in love with cecil --Yuffie2211 03:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  19. Maria could be customized into whatever the player wanted. Sorry Rosa! Acid Snake
  20. To be honest? I only vote Maria to piss off PaladinCecil ; ) Arcanedude34
  21. I really liked this game, lol, I prefer Maria over Rosa and since you can customise her, she was quite fun to toy around with. Metus 19:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  22. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 08:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC) because chances are she's going to lose, plus rosa was irritating with her simpering over kain and cecil, maria didn't do much to get on my nerves.

Votes for Rosa[edit source]

  1. Rosa, as boring and uninteresting as she is, has more that 5 lines, which is six more than Maria got. ScatheMote 01:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  2. Soren 4ever 01:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Neither of them are very developed characters, but Rosa was at least had some of her own plot points, as few as they were.
  3. A certain user will know why. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. I know who Rosa is. Drake Clawfang 01:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  5. Just because I know Rosa more. Judge Balthier 02:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  6. Both of them aren't anything write home about as far as character and personlaity goes. They're not bad, but not extremely remarkable. I'm going with Rosa here, mainly because she has better teamates who managed to mostly stay alive. You can't dislike Maria, she was in the first FF that attemtpted characteritze it Main Party. AnonyMan
  7. Rosa was my first heroine and she is awesome. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 03:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  8. I'd rather look no pants than that creature bra-thing. Lolcakes
  9. Because Kain Highwind is in FFIV. Soldier of Light
  10. IV>II Derum
  11. Best white mage ever. RowdyCMoore
  12. She started what we know today as the white mage template, and fandom in general punishes her and takes her for granted for being the first to step foot in new territory. The "stereotypical white mage traits" people expect in a white mage didn't exist until Rosa entered the picture, and her personality was actually unique before later characters in the series copied her. Leading to the present-day view of her as having "the personality of a plank." PaladinCecil 07:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  13. Sora G. Strife 08:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC): She saved my butt several times, both outside and inside battle.
  14. NeosamuelNot even a contest we got someone who FF2 could have left forgotten and it wouldn't change much and then we got Rosa who for is one of the most usefull characters of FF4's roster and she is the love intrest of the main hero. Plus lets face it Rosa could kick Maria's arse even if she had Ultima.
  15. They both suck. But I don't want a tie this week. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|14:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  16. Faethinverba volant : Rosa reminds me of my type of girl: quiet, gentle and caring. But anyway, I was tempted to flame her just for the sake of poking a user whom I shall not name even though I shall certainly link
  17. Mr_Darkside Rosa seems better to me. 18:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  18. I'm voting for Rosa cuz I played FFIV and she's a great character, and I want her to win so PaladinCecil will SHUT UP already. Squallinoa 08 19:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  19. Meh. Normally, I'd go with the one in FFII, but I choose the White Mage who stays as one. Sure, Maria can do everything Rosa can do and more, Rosa's stat growth is more suited for her role as White Mage. Plus, Rosa's secondary job is a physical one. ~ Pikmin Master 20:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  20. Maria is a blobbish character. Rosa's not. And, WM > BM. -Alarielle- 20:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  21. Because I like IV. ans she has BOOBS!!!! 1stclasswarrior 20:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  22. Bartz235 Rosa is the second best female in the series IMO!! Hands down best white mage in the series and the most devoted girl to her man in the FF universe!! Also not only a white mage but an archer as well. And as for all of PaladinCecil's rants I agree with him every word he said. Rosa is only "boring" because she was a first. Mario is a boring character but got remade so many times people don't see him as the boring mario. Same with everyone's beloved Link yet his newer reincarnations are awesome but no one notices his very first pathetic form. THe "first" always has to suffer.....
  23. Maria...Maria...hmm...must not be a very memorable character.--JohnnyC 23:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
  24. Cluna 06 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  25. MTC: If I don't vote for Rosa, PaladinCecil would hammer me instead.
  26. NeoBahamutZEROX 01:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  27. Rosa is one of my fav characters, and is going to be my first vote in a long time. Philip Mccann 08:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  28. She's useful. And hot. Hexed 08:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  29. awww... i like both... but i like Rosa more..... OnionKnight23
  30. AtmaCrisis
  31. Rosa wins this fight, hands downBlackheart1991 12:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  32. Armageddon11(DANIELSJ14) 20:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Close, as I don't like ether, but I like 4 better than 1 2 so...
  33. RoxasXIII Roxasxiii 22:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Y'know, this was kinda hard fro me, cause I never felt any kind of attachment to either of them, but after seeing Rosa in the DS remake of IV, I kinda have to go with her.
  34. Sorceress Heartilly16:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC) I vote for Rosa because I like her character, she's the main healer but at the same time is a decent attacker and has perfect accuracy with her aim ability with bows and arrows.
  35. Rosa, of course. Without her, FFIV becomes impossible. 8bit 17:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  36. Rose from how far I played seems loving and motherly. =]--BigCubby 12:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 22:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)- She is hot in the DS version, what other reason do I need?
  2. 21:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)Uhh, i think Rosa has a better personality and looks so much cooler.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I can't decide which one to vote for because I can't seem to find anything to like or hate in either side. Lack of personality will do that to ya'. --BlueHighwind 01:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Y'know, I'm really glad I gave this fight a second chance and resubmitted it. Now we'll see if it was a good idea. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh...this is a hard one for me...Cluna 06 02:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
If you guys put Rosa's FFIV:DS FMV pic, I'll vote for her (she's a looker in that game) but as far a Amano's art goes, Maria's better Leon5550 11:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
No, keep your vote. You already passed judgment on her. PaladinCecil 11:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Even if she somehow wins, most people are only voting for her for knowing who she is or because she's connected to a character they ACTUALLY like, not for Rosa's own good qualities (which some voting for her don't even think she has). Given that and the crap said about her in past matches, I consider this a loss for her either way. PaladinCecil 09:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Faethin, most of my current page is ranting in my own space in order to spare the DNC itself. You'd just be reaffirming what I've slowly learned to accept from the "fandom" over the past two years, though. PaladinCecil 14:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to be blunt, but PaladinCecil needs to take a chill pill. His girl's gonna win a battle and he still can't enjoy it. I had to watch Celes settle for a draw to a much inferior character, and I can take it in stride. It amazes me that someone would take so much time and copy space to whine and moan over a video game character. RowdyCMoore

It's about more than that, but okay. And it's not really a win in my eyes since people can't avoid saying how much they think she sucks for five seconds to look for positives instead. Celes was up against a modern character with popularity of the new school kids, and most people who voted for her talked about how they liked her. Rosa's up against an earlier character, and several votes talk about how the voter thinks she sucks but they'll take her over Maria due to her associations. PaladinCecil 15:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree with all that. I'm just saying, don't let it get to you. So we have a lot of people too stupid to understand Rosa's character. Don't spew venom at them; poke fun at their stupidity. It's what I did with my FF Adventure walkthrough. Rowdy
That would be easier to do if it weren't for how horrendously the "fandom" has mutilated what Rosa's like over the years, and how Square-Enix caters to the general not giving a damn about her in FF4:TA by forcing an action she'd never take just to remove her from most of the game. Plus, two years, people still treating the character like crap, etc. Thank you for your words, though, they do make me feel a little better. PaladinCecil 00:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Did some research on Maria, still don't care who she is. Can she cast Curaga and Esuna on the party for free? Until then, I'd still prefer Rosa. Miracle saved my ass during the Zeromus EG fight. Drake Clawfang 22:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't use Miracle. Since Rosa can't wield dual blood swords (or deal hella-damage barehanded), I prefer Maria. //masterConjurer (Talk) 00:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Consider i've voted for they both --- User: Zak Undersn --- 14:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC).

Week 109: Celes v. Ashe[edit source]

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35 to 32 1/2
Both of these strong women appear in games that are a multiple of six. What? They totally do. I'm sure there was a stronger connection with whoever suggested this.

Votes for Celes[edit source]

  1. Both are excellent characters. I find Celes more interesting because of her dual loyalities to the returns and the Empire. Also, Aria di Mezzo Carattere = win. 8bit 03:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  2. Oh my hero, so far away now...will I ever see your smile? XDXD Chocolancer 03:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  3. YuanSaluto!Acta 05:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. Celes is okay. I can't stand Ashe, though. She's annoying and I wish Vaan would've punched her in the stomach. Anony
  5. ArableLadle : Going for Celes ofc, she is second best character in FFVI
  6. SamSandy: They're both quite wussy for being "strong women", but I find I can connect with Celes' feelings more. Plus the Opera-scene is beyond fantastic.
  7. Celes vs. Ashe? I really don't need to say anything... Celes of course. CookiePinguy 12:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  8. Faethinverba volant will always vote for Final Fantasy's only opera floozy.
  9. She tried to kill herself.--BigCubby 14:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  10. GenjiMasamune I liked 12, but it was nowhere near as good as 6, and I loved Celes. Runic kicked everyone's ass, she learned magic naturally, and she was one awesome opera singer!
  11. Hyacynth Celes is my favorite! Also she was clever enough to con Setzer; I don't think Ashe is capable of that sort of cunning.
  12. BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|17:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  13. WTH!? Are you kidding? Celes >>>>>>>>>>> Ashe. Aria di Mezzo Carattere~ Karu
  14. She's the reason why I hate Locke. I just love this girl. If I had to pick between the XII females, it's Fran first, then Ashe. But Celes is my #1 FF female and no partial nudity can stop that. ~P.M. 19:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  15. Best. Character. EVER. RowdyCMoore
  16. Mr_Darkside Ashe is 2 stuck up 4 my vote so Celes gets it instead.
  17. She not Terra but if she can bring everyone back after the Apocalypse she got my vote.NeoBahamutZEROX 22:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  18. AtmaCrisis 23:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  19. Celes has a great story around her, she can absorb spells (a true life saver in some boss fights), and she can cast spells and still kicks ass in melee (not even Terra can do that). A tragical person I wished to survive to the end (I played FFIV and FFVII before FFVI, so I was waiting for someone to kick the bucket). In FFXII I liked Amalia, but Ashe not so much. Her personality disappeared somewhere along the story.Vohaul86
  20. Because she reminds me of a character in my book. -Alarielle- 20:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  21. This was incredibly hard. I love them both. Honestly, I'd take Ashe over Celes any day in battle (I felt Celes was too much like a nerfed Terra). While Ashe is a wonderful main character, I'm going for Celes. Two of my favorites scenes revolve around Celes. While Ashe is more believable as a character, FFVI's scenario gave Celes far too much love, and that level of affinity betters Celes in the long run. ClixPsi
  22. Celes definitely gets my vote on this one...Ashe is lame. User:Sera89
  23. Best character ever... Ameria 04:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
  24. Celes is awesome! Spinni 04:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
  25. Yay for Celes!:D Soldier of Light
  26. They're both great, I just like Celes more. Rydiaofmist
  27. Nothing personal, only that Celes rocks, while Ashe is just a character --- User: Zak Undersn --- 16:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
  28. Lion heart 23:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC) I think The Celes is way cooler than I played XII I had noticed that Ashe had a very power hungery attuide and Celes she was just cool....I never really disliked Celes throught out VI I think that she was a great character.
  29. Hylesaul 10:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC) A futile vote at this point, but Celes was great and original, while Ashe...not so much
  30. Sora G. Strife 13:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC): Celes rocks.
  31. Firionklauser: It has been awhile. I love the new layout
  32. Soren 4ever 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Hope this is okay. Both are great characters, but VI is better than XII; hence Celes gets my vote.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 09:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  2. 10:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)Celes wins since she is one of my fave chars of all time! and besides, I didn't like FFXII that much.
  3. Special:Contributions/ 20:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. Best character in the game 03:16, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Votes for Ashe[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind : For parading her bum around in that mini-skirt.
  2. Both of these women are good characters, but Ashe is better. Cluna 06 03:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  3. MasterConjurer 03:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. More useful to me than Celes ever was. And hotter, to boot. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  5. Because you can rotate the camera in FFXII. And because she bitch slapped Basch without having a Tournesol up her ass. Leon5550 03:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  6. She faked her own death to survive. Crafty.AJ Werefang
  7. Because my sig shows up in these colors...Sort of. ChiefKakashi 04:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  8. Because she wears the latest mode from paris. Or at least that's what I heard - SilverSummonerTaLk 04:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  9. Tragedian Ashe had some of the best scenes in FFXII. *SLAP!!!* "You're supposed to be dead..." *evil stare*
  10. For her role and rockin body!!! GRIEVER POWER 10:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  11. Hmmm, this is difficult. Both are great characters, so this is a hard one to choose. Well, this is in the Ashe slot, so I guess you know who I like slightly more. ScatheMote 11:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  12. Ashe's good at meleeing and magics,and she's so sexy xD Kimahri Ronso
  13. I too vote for the parading bum, however my only beef with Ashe is that she didn't assassinate Vaan, at least order Basch to do so. ChaosEsperVII
  14. ;_; Sorry General Celes. The Lady Ashe has my heart.- Henryacores^ 14:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  15. She's really hot and should be the main character T~TJudge Balthier 16:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  16. She's hot. Besides FFXII revolves around her.Armageddon11(DANIELSJ14) 17:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  17. "Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round." -Queen. Violetmage
  18. *drools uncontrollably after looking at her rear end*.............. Oh, sorry about that. Gotta go for cheeks Ashe 1stclasswarrior 18:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
  19. First off, i'm not voting for Ashe's ass, I'm voting for Ashe. second, I've never played six so i can't really aprove or dissaprove of Celes Derum
  20. I vote for the cool princess paladin! Kuzlalala
  21. I am in the middle of FFXII and Ashe is deffinatly the best female character plus she constantly is putting Vaan in his place in the group. A little insult and injury are the best remidies for the delusions of grandure from a little twerp like him. Ninja of Wind 23:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  22. Cloud 9000 17:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)cloud9000 i vote ashe
  23. She's awesome, and her game owns Celes' game. Coraircate
  24. Ashe is an awesome character. Period. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
  25. I vote for Ashe (not her behind, although i have no problems with it) She has a good story, and she is great in battle no matter what she is doing. Plus, Celes' Magic Sword gets on my nerves when im trying to heal. Gyromite 06:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
  26. Ashe was my favourite character in FFXII, and since I've never played VI, it easy to choose. Kupuntu 13:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
  27. Hard one, Ill go with the woman who didn't try to kill herself.Neosamuel
  28. Haven't played VI yet, and haven't got to far in XII either, but I like Ashe. Nice to have a snooty princess for once. Plus, posh accents are hot.Malachi Lionheart
  29. *Insert generic vote here* Kinneth 00:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
  30. Although I'm not so fond of her clothing, Ashe was one of my favourite characters in XII Daggers 20:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
  31. Celes spent too much of the game hanging onto Locke like some sort of emotional limpet. Ashe wasn't perfect, but I like her and her determination and drive. Eowynjedi 18:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  32. 'Cause she's a freaking hottie and she has hi-defness XD! --Roxasxiii 19:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  33. She is great ^^ so kind hearted ... i love her ^^ ––Gabranth19 04:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
  34. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 19:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC) she earns the title of best dressed
  2. 01:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)- Celebrating my purchase of XII yesterday!

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

TA, could you change Ashe's picture? It's rather pixely. Also, I did not take common factors into account when suggesting this match :P 8bit 03:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No, but only because it would require me to probably find a new picture of Celes also, since there is a rhyme to the reason/madness... and then redo the colors. Ug! T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
I fix. What prize do I win? --BlueHighwind 13:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Dang it, I can't believe I was late for this one! I so wanted my vote to be higher up! RowdyCMoore

Some of us watch the page and keep our email open constantly for any slight change. Thus, we are the some of the first to know when a new fight comes around. MasterConjurer 20:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Gerdat14 I didn't play either game, so i cant logically vote. However, cunning and skill beat nudity anyday.

Celes has the best sprite in any SNES game I have ever seen. Just thought you should know that. -dudutsai

It's nice to know some people can still appreciate 16-bit sprites Rowdy

That's a lot of times for the word, "Bitch," to get thrown around. //masterConjurer 04:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Only three? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 08:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
It's for lack of a better word. Seriously. --dudutsai
I highly doubt that in the grand vocabulary of the English language there exists no better word for any particular woman (fictional or otherwise) than "Bitch." //masterConjurer (Talk) 21:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Works wonderfully for uneducated individuals... I refuse to take back what I said. --dudutsai
I don't want you to take it back. I was just drawing attention to it. By the way, when did Ashe backstab someone? I've beaten XII through and don't recall that. //masterConjurer (Talk) 03:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

D: How dare you people to call Ashe a bitch?! Kimahri Ronso

What do you mean, "You people?" //edit by masterConjurer at: 17:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Bigcubby... you voted twice, and i only say this because you and i should try to keep an eye out for double voting and other nefarious acts of inequality. Gerdat14 --Gerdat14 19:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Celes would be leading right now if the anon voters would remember to add their IPs. As it is, she's only down 25-22 (I'm also discounting Cubby's second vote) with a long time to go. The comeback is beginning. Rowdy

Armageddon11(DANIELSJ14)A-S-H-E, come on think about it, celes is a general, Ashe is a queen. Go Ashe.

Sorry, I forgot I did it. I wasn't doing it to cheat.--BigCubby 13:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the reason these two are fighting is because both of them are way cooler than their game's alleged "main character"? Though I feel I should kill myself for comparing Terra to Vaan, even if it is under the rather large banner of main character. Ugh, gotta go shower and wash off the crime. Winged Lion 01:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Week 108: Cyan v. Steiner[edit source]

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41 ½ to 23
Honorable men in service of their country. You could almost call this the same fight as last week, but can will Cyan win for his job only, or does character help and hurt the tally?

Votes for Cyan[edit source]

  1. I hate Steiner so much that I'm voting for this loser. That says something. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|23:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. I would like to agree with the above user. Oh, and Cyan was awesome. - DeadlySlashSword 23:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. I like them both, but I feel sorry for Cyan. Yes, I used Cyan. ScatheMote 00:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. Cyan can be annoying, but Steiner is just a buffoon. And Cyan isn't as useless a character as some may think. RowdyCMoore
  5. Cyan's far than useless, sure, when you have Terra, Shadow, Edgar and Sabin in your party he may seem useless. But not everyone in FFVI have a glitch that turns you psycho, besides, Bushido's not that bad. Leon5550
  6. I actually used Cyan and liked him on my first playthrough! Weird... Chocolancer 01:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  7. Faethinverba volant :I've never understood why people hate Cyan so much.
  8. I found Cyan useful his bushido is one of the best moves even though it takes ages to charge and i like the way he talks and his backstory is really moving and deep, never really liked Steiner to much. - lordflare 22:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  9. --- User: Zak Undersn --- 12:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC) Both Cyan and Steiner are great, I can't decide... But since Cyan gets all that hatred I must support him.
  10. There both bumbeling idiots, but Cyan had a moving story (as did all FF6 characters). Myself 123 15:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  11. I like Cyan, his story and his family. Sorry Steiner, you're a good character but Cyan is more lovely. Karu
  12. only ever played FF6 AtmaCrisis
  13. Cyan has some great storyline moments (Phantom Forest, Doma Castle, etc...), and it's always fun to bring him in the bar in Nikeah. Fang is quick and effective, and Flurry is quite useful in the beginning before spells of mass destruction. He's not that bad of a person. Vohaul86
  14. Rydiaofmist Cyan had a very touching story, and he didn't annoy me as much as Steiner.
  15. User:Plaz Yeve I don't really like either of them but I like Steiner less than Cyan, so Cyan gets my vote.
  16. dudutsai: Cyan has a better backstory but was terrible in battle. But at least he doesn't look as ugly as Steiner.
  17. I don't know much about Steiner so GO CYAN! Kuzlalala
  18. i don't use cyan that much in ffvi... but i like ffvi... so cyan gets my vote... and i haven't played ix yet.... ahahahhaha.... Onionknight23
  19. I know him better than Steiner at the moment. Plus, his Oblivion was useful for fighting Sand Worms. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 22:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
  20. Cyan is rocks with the glitch, you just gotta love it GRIEVER POWER 02:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
  21. Cyan is just plain out awesome he is the original Bushido, and if you don't like him your one of the biggest losers in the world FTW.RedCap 9:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Cyan and Gogo are an unstopable force

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 'Cause. 17:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Steiner[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind : Comparing Steiner to Cyan is like comparing WALL-E to that stupid loudmouth robot from Space Camp. This fight was over before it began.
  2. Drake Clawfang 23:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC): Cyan was a loudmouth, a klutz and useless in battle. Steiner may be Number 1 and 2 also, but he was a brute in battle. He was useful for something at least.
  3. Aw, I actually liked Steiner! As a character and in battle. *Clank clank clank clank* 8bit 00:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. Without steiner there would be far fewer comedic moments in 9. Yojimbo and diagoro 00:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  5. I love the description's implication that Steiner is a better character. It's spot on. MasterConjurer 00:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. Lockhart - Easy. Rusty FTW.
  7. I like both, but i really like how Steiner walks, so this one goes to him CookiePinguy 01:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  8. Cyan's a good character, I don't get why he gets hated on so. But this is Rusty Steiner other Swordsperson in the series comes close to his coolness(including Cyan). He's great...unintentionally hilarious, awesome abilities. Plus, He loves himself some Gysahl Greens.Anony
  9. Considering that Ol' Rusty was my favorite character in IX, I am placing my ballot in his box. Nothing is better than starting off your day with Gyshall Pickles! Violetmage
  10. Well, well, well. Cyan or Steiner. In both 6 and 9, I nicknamed both after me, "P.M.", as I like using both. But I'll unanimously choose Steiner over Cyan. First and foremost, he's a pseudo-Mystic Knight! Magic Sword is my second favorite skillset after White Magic. He can do everything Vivi can do as a physical atack. Second of all, he's funny. He can't just look for a second to see that a growing Bomb is behind him. All Cyan had to contribute is the "Mr. Thou" quote from Gau. Third, he's a pseudo-Paladin. Paladins are just great to use for me, Cecil or no Cecil. And finally fourth, only his last name can be changed. Who else can do that? Plus, I can relate better to him in a very odd way. ~P.M. 02:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  11. Tragedian I liked Steiner. He was entertaining and even though he was a major dork and sometimes misguided... He was always loyal to a fault.
  12. ArableLadle : Sorry Cyan! I used Cyan in FFVI and i didnt think him as useless throwingbag but Steiner is better in my opinion. Go Rusty!!
  13. I like Cyan, but Steiner was just a little likable.Xepscern Highwind
  14. GenjiMasamune : Honestly, I like both characters and their stories, but Steiner's story was better because it included some lighthearted-ness, as opposed to Cyan's which was rather depressing (especially on the Ghost Train). Besides, Steiner fell in love with Beatrix, who was bad-ass, and together they were even more bad-ass. So, yeah.
  15. NeosamuelFF9 beats 6 any time and where and so does its cast... exept for Celes, Locke, and the painter girl but this is about Cyan who was one of the characters I used least. Steiner is usefull from when you get him to the final boss.
  16. I love Cyan's story, but I don't like him for battle. Magic is the name of the game in FFVI, and Cyan just doesn't cut it. However, Steiner is very useful in FFIX with his mighty strength and combo with Vivi. Plus, if you can woo Beatrix, you are indeed a man worthy of greatness.Clixpsi
  17. I imped Cyan on purpose just because I hated him so much. Steiner is also really funny.--BigCubby 16:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  18. His humorous personality made FFIX a lot better for me.. Plus I haven't played FFVI. Soldier of Light
  19. Khakishro Hes the only character you keep that can use Shock, and his ultimate weapon is stronger then the Ultima Weapon itself. Nothing against Cyan at all but, these are stronger positives.
  20. He is a goof and makes me laugh. Is it a good reason? No. Good enough to beat Cyan? Totally- Lost Hero, 2-24-09, 9:22 P.M.
  21. I really don't like neither one of them but Steiner was a little more useful.Judge Balthier 16:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Soren 4ever 17:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC): I don't like either of them, but I hate Cyan more. Steiner was way more useful.
  23. BigSlurp I must agree, I found Steiner highly useful. Cyan is little more than an afterthought in my book.
  24. I'm voting for him because he was nice to Vivi in the game. I liked Vivi (untill they invaded)). (Armageddon11(DANIELSJ14) 18:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
  25. Not a fan of either but Steiner was alittle better but only a little Mr_Darkside 19:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  26. Just got into IX and still not into VI so my vote goes to Steiner Derum
  27. I gotta vote for ol' Rusty SilverDragon28 20:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  28. MTC Not only Steiner is funny, his Magic Sword can pwn anyone.
  29. Steiner is useful, and he does grow up (I never thought I'd say "grow up" for a guy that old) later. Kupuntu 14:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
  30. Cloudiroth Steiner is easily one of my favourite and most useful characters in the entire series and Cyan is his complete inverse.
  31. User:Sera89 Well, my vote was on here before, and I guess something weird happened and then it got taken off. So here it is, I vote for Sir Rust-a-lot. XD
  32. Lolcakes Steiner=useful crap ..... cyan=plain crap
  33. Mr. Rojo04:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC): Steiner is just awesome as character and fighter. I like Cyan too, but Steiner is just better.
  34. Mondo0102 He's a blockhead and an old stiff, but he has his moments.
  35. Kimahri Ronso Steiner's Sword Magics are really useful,and he's a nice character too.
  36. Acid Snake Steiner's Sword Magics was really cool compared to Cyan's "techniques".
  37. Sir Rust-a-lot is made of win. Shock, Climhazzard and Sword Magic are as well. >:] - Henryacores^ 12:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
  38. Maverick Riot
  39. SonOfAJenova 21:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC): Rusty seems slightly more fashion conscious. That and he'd win in a fight even without the sword magicky thing. :)
  40. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L Obviously.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 03:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC) I just don't like Cyan. Not that I have any clue who Steiner is or anything, I just don't like Cyan.
  2. strange to admit it but he was was one of the better characters in IX, he was strong and useful in battle and he had his own sound effect, you could hear him when he was coming :D Cyan was just irritating... 11:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. Do I even need to say it anymore? 02:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I'm not sure who I'm voting for...Cluna 06 00:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Then you should vote for Steiner, just to be safe. MasterConjurer 00:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Flip a coin, it's safer Leon5550
Even safer than flipping a coin: unquestioningly following Master Conjurer's advice. MasterConjurer 02:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm voting for Steiner. Not that Cyan is useless, but he had to "guard" Sabin and Shadow, who can take care of themselves, while Steiner made sure not a finger landed on Vivi's cute little head.Xepscern Highwind
Ugh...this is so gonna be a landslide victory for Rusty. That's too bad... Chocolancer 16:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

And yet Cyan's not as hated as I thought. I'm reading a lot of Steiner votes saying they actually like Cyan. RowdyCMoore
I dont get why people hate Cyan in the 1st place Leon5550
It's supposedly because: 1. His character hates technology, and 2. His Bushido moves take too long to charge. Personally, I found Bushido to not be as frustrating as Blitz, because at least I knew Bushido wouldn't fail because I was a half-inch off on the control pad executing the exact button-pushing. Rowdy
Yeah, that's ridiculous. Being a technophobe makes for a completely unlikeable character, compared to alot of boring, brooding, angst ridden and genuinely unlikeable ones who get so much undeserving love? And techniques in VI started to fade in usefulness when Magicite/Espers really comes into play. If he was younger, and girlier looking with longer hair people wouldn't complain. Anony
But in this day and age, teenage angst is what's cool. Now I'm going to paint my nails black, let my mum cut my hair, and sit with the lights off. ChaosEsperVII

Blitz is extrememly frustrating for me...especially against Vargas. I have it on emulator so it makes it a lot harder for me to use it. I think I am going to buy Anthologies but I think it may be expensive... but anyway this is about Cyan VS Steiner and Stiener is way mor funnier and has no lame technique.--BigCubby 12:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Really? I like Blitz, hell, I even use both Blitz and Bushido. Besides, the button mashing wastn as hard as God of War.

Not sure if I'm the only one, but the Steiner votes are under Cyan's and the right column is blank, am I the only one who sees this?? Leiber_Mage

You're not. ~P.M.
Fixed it. Some idiot was playing around with the code. ScatheMote 21:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

People shouldn't vote if they haven't played the game...just out of fairness...--BigCubby 16:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Gerdat14 I have to agree with BigCubby, as i havent played 9 i cant vote for steiner, but i only played 6 up to vargas, so i cant vote for cyan. However, Knight usually is more usefull than Samurai, albeit not as flashy.
With that logic, only those who have completed each game can judge fairly. - DeadlySlashSword 16:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

AH! My votes not on there anymore? Did I say sumfin wrong? lol...Well, can I vote again? It's not on there anymore. I just voted. No worries. --Sera89 17:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh no! Mr Thou gonna lose to Sir rust-a-lot! Myself 123 21:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The truly ironic thing here is that during the last contest the Samurai beat Knight hands down and now that it's Cyan vs Steiner everyone seems to be voting for the knight.Anonymous 16:42, 02 March 2009 (UTC)

Because samurai' coolness comes from differentness and knights' coolness comes from usefulness. If they know the samurai, they won't vote for it. MasterConjurer 02:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Week 107: Knight v. Samurai[edit source]

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41 to 24
We need a departure for a week, so whoever your favorite character is in Final Fantasy, consider who you'd want protecting them.
FFT Samurai.jpg

Votes for Knight[edit source]

  1. Cluna 06 22:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. I like swords. Faethinverba volant 23:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. All Knights are awesome. - CookiePinguy 23:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. BlueHighwind : Nothing beats a classic.
  5. Knights arn't stupid enough to throw money away as an attack. Myself 123 01:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. Samurai may have the attacking power advantage, but Knights have the defensive power to match. Although I would really like to swing a katana through who- or whatever I choose, but in my reality, I'd block first. Pikmin Master 02:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  7. I like the fact that they can defend and heal.Judge Balthier 02:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  8. Samurai are really cool, but Cover is really useful. MasterConjurer 03:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  9. Both very cool ass Jobs. But I gotta back the Knight. They output more cool characters, they've been around longer. And although I respect the weapons, Katanas are one of the of the most played out, overused and overrated weapons. Anony
  10. Although katanas pwn all weapons, knights have better stats and look cooler. ChaosEsperVII
  11. I love the spirit of the Samurai, and Sephiroth is probably my favourite FF character (alongside Cloud), but I feel that the typical samurai has a 'heavier' look than the Knight. So I'll go with Knight on this one. #NeoSeth 10:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  12. SAM has its cool aspects but you can't beat the well rounded attacker/defender. --Zephyrus11 13:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  13. Save the Queen. Terra_Homing 13:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  14. Call it the Westerner in me. RowdyCMoore
  15. Neosamuel I always liked Knights more They get cover to help when my buddys are critical and tend to have some healing magic. Samurai seams to be more offence than defenive and for this vote I want protection and the Knight is my pick for that.
  16. Knights are WAY COOLER than Samurai's. Cyan ruined that class forever.-Soren 4ever 23:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  17. ChiefKakashi 21:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC): Knights are more balanced.
  18. Eh, I just prefer knights more. I like to have one pure defensive type, and I think knights are better suited for that role than Samurai. ClixPsi
  19. Kin of choas Samurais ether throw there money away or break there katanas, and that's to rich for my blood.also knights breaks others weapon and the only thing better then my gain is my enemy's loss.
  20. Aramis Ninjas don't like samurais.
  21. Mr. Rojo: Although I like both and love katanas, I find knights more useful. -23:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Go Knights, in this credit crunch it's madness to throw your money at enemys for so little damege all you can do is LOL. So I vote for knights, the smarter spenders. (Armageddon11(DANIELSJ14) 11:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC))
  23. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 08:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)see if this gets counted, plus i do love a good ole powerhouse
  2. 21:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Samurai[edit source]

  1. Gotta go with Samurai. Katana is so much cooler. -Alarielle- 22:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC) PS : the first time I get the first vote wee!
  2. DeadlySlashSword 22:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. Auron- nuf said.~ Saraija Merinas
  4. 1stclasswarrior 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  5. No comment. What has Samurai got? Shirahadori, Zeninage AND Iainuki. What has Warrior got? Equip armor, shields, swords and cover... Not much of a contest. Kuja Tribal 22:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. Samurai abilities in Tactics are crazy useful. Let's get a nice image to the right of the fight description when this ends, yes? 8bit 23:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  7. $Toss <3!!! Karu
  8. Samurais rock, just look at Auron! Blackheart1991
  9. Gill toss and Draw out are better than Cover and Break Techniques. --dudutsai
  10. Samurai for heritage reasons. *Cough* --JohnnyC 04:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  11. One word (after this):"Chirijiraden" Derum
  12. AtmaCrisis 06:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  13. Mr_Darkside I like the samuai look and feel of Yojimbo.
  14. Finally a fight that catches my interest, I'll go with Samurai here, Both in real life and FF they are a more powerful bunch of warriors. Despite the fact knights are the classics, the samurai have iconic names in both worlds; Sephy in FF and Musashi in this world Leon5550
  15. --- User: Zak Undersn --- 11:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)I'll go with samurais. Their armors are cooler, their weapons are cooler and they can use attacks like "flying sparrow's sword dance of flashy goddess's flaming swing of the multi-colored breath of my dead lover's finger on LSD" with only three syllabes. That's too awesome.
  16. Samurai can cut down enemies in one shot like Zantetsuken. Which rocks. GRIEVER POWER 11:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  17. Iaido, Iainuki and Bushido ftw! - Henryacores^ 11:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  18. Wooooooo, all hail the almighty samurai! Soldier of Light
  19. Auron. That's why. Violetmage
  20. No question, knights suck, and chivalry is dead OwlEye 20:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  21. BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|21:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Zeninage!!! Chocolancer 22:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  23. Theentertainer This was made for the sole purpose of kicking a puppy wasn't it? one could argue that Knights Tank and lead to the Uber Melee, Dark Knight but you can't compare the Draw out skill to the break skill (although killing a persons stats for leveling purposes is nice.) granted I base this soley on the FFT:WOTL version of these Jobs as that's the images that are used to depict them.
  24. Samurai have special skills, fighters just wack people with swords. While that is moderatly cool, Gil toss and Swdtech are better. ScatheMote 00:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  25. MTC
  26. I like katanas and samurais have more skills... Onionknight23
  27. I would love to be a knight, but SAMURAIS JUST ROCK MORE! JUST LOOK AT FFV'S COIN TECHNIQUE!!! It killed a whole pack of monsters.Kuzlalala
  28. Caus katanas are prettier than broad swords.--Muchomas35 22:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  29. The Samurai could wield TWO different weapons in their time. Plus, Sephiroth's a member of this group. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 00:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  30. While the knights are iconic in the series, all my favorite characters are Samurai between the two. Samurai in III, Edge in IV(though he's a ninja), Samurai in V, Cyan in VI, Sephiroth(for the flashback when he's in party) in VII, and Auron in X. And, between the two in XI, Samurai pwns Knight. I loves it. :D Junath
  31. I dunno why, Samurai just seem cooler. They always have done to me anyway. --Adam Mcduck
  32. Masamune: Samurai are just like knights, but better in every way.
  33. Osf Auron = Samurai so Samurai = WIN. 15:52 18 February 2009
  34. User:Sera Samurai are amazin'....period. Besides, knights are so...normal.
  35. Rydiaofmist: In terms of fighting techniques I don't really prefer one over the other, so I'm just gonna be superficial and pick samurai because I like the way they look.
  36. GenjiMasamune: As much as I love Knights and normally would give them a pity vote for being so thoroughly trounced, I love Samurai too darn much. Bushido/Iaido FTW!
  37. SilverDragon28: Katana > Sword. End of story.
  38. Heretic Ramza: On Tactics...its a tie: The samurai has way more useful attacks BUT the knight can wield knight swords and if you pair that with Darkness, they're pretty much unstoppable. In general though, the Samurai is always better imo than Knight. In most FF, the knight job seems too generic and I never liked the "Cover" skill. (On a side note, on the FFT multiplayer mode...I OWNED the entire Knight Templar challenge with just one knight equipped with a Choas Blade and Darkness as a secondary ability!!! :-D)
  39. recino Knights can destroy your equipment, Samurai and destroy your life with 1-hit. Nuf' said
  40. Lolcakes i love parivirs, they're samurais too :)
  41. Cloudiroth Vote.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I REALLY hope there isn't a draw this time since there ever since the recent DNC change there has ALWAYS been a draw. ~P.M.

I suspect it the fault of pity-voters, who want the probable loser to win. MasterConjurer 03:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the 10% should be discarded? Really, the only instances in which I've seen that rule applied have all involve a large number of elements of the sample, i. e. 1000+ votes. Faethinverba volant 04:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I think it's worth a look back to see how many of the ties would be ties if it were 5%. MasterConjurer 04:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it really matters if one wins, or the other wins, or if its tie. In fact, I'd like to see a fight where Batman is arbitrarily decided to be the winner. --BlueHighwind 04:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Good luck with that. But seriously, I agree with Faethin. The 10% rule has been skewing the results for a long while. - DeadlySlashSword 04:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Edit conflict: It matters little to me, as well, but if you look more than a couple of fights ago, you can see evidence that it matters to other users. Just because we can look at a tie and say, "OK," doesn't mean everyone can feel that way about the number of them that have come about. MasterConjurer 05:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow. The anonymous votes were blanked last week for not following the rules, but a bunch of people just start doing it the same way as always. Wann werden sie lernen? MasterConjurer 06:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, nie. - DeadlySlashSword 15:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Damn it! I can't decide! Kabea

it has been a week right? where's TA? any change soon? 22:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Week 106: Wakka v. Zell[edit source]

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35 ½ to 34 ½
The biggest thing these two have in common is comic relief. Who knows, maybe they both like hot dogs, ya?

Votes for Wakka[edit source]

  1. Attack Reels ya? - Henryacores^ 21:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  2. Since he's here, he might as well win! MasterConjurer 21:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  3. Both characters are good, but I like Wakka more. Cluna 06 21:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. Zell is a tool, Wakka is infinitely greater. One of the first characters to max out on attack strength, almost always hits aerial opponents, and he's fast. Granted, Zell is also fast, is decent when it comes to hit rate, and he has a good Limit Break. HOWEVER, his past is one of the more pathetic in FF8 (yeah, yeah, they all had the same past, but his is just bloody sad), his Limit Break is only awesome because it is a carbon copy of Sabin's from FF6; not to mention he does the unforgivable in making the Monk class look like a series of douchebags. Wakka on the other hand actually has a back story (while still weak, it is much better than Zell's), not to mention he's voiced by John DiMaggio, the guy that voices Bender from Futurama; THAT is win!! Besides, its pretty friggin hilarious watching a monster from the Omega Ruins get mauled to death by a single strike from a Volleyball. 'WELCOME TO JAMAICA, YA!!!' *BAM* Overkill! Hydronisa
  5. Flipped a coin, guess what? Wakka won. ScatheMote 01:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. The amount of carnage this guy cand do with balls... Imagine what chaos he can do with real weapons Leon5550
  7. Zell is a chicken-wuss! Blackheart1991
  8. Wakka is the best, ya. -- Copycatloki 13:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  9. I liked Zell but Wakka contributed more to X's story than Zell did VIII's and I found Wakka more useful in battles.-- Heretic Ramza
  10. Wakka, no questions asked. He rocked a blitzball, and I didn't want to beat him every time he appeared on the screen :P SeraphSummoner 17:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  11. Ya. This one will do. It was Wakka who gave Tidus the iconic weapon third only to Buster Sword and Revolver. Did Zell gave Squall the Revolver? No. P.M. 19:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  12. Like Henry said, Attack Reels pwns. Get 12 attacks in one Overdrive for maximum damage and most enemies, even bosses, go down quicker, ya? His backstory also provided some insight into his past prejudices and passions, but what I like is the haircut and the voice work of John DiMaggio. --Tex Howdy! 20:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  13. I think Wakka plays a bigger role in the FFX story than Zell in FFVIII, since Wakka is always in the party, and participate in almost all events... Kabea
  14. Wakka may be fundie, but at least he has a bladed blitzball for a weapon. Unlike idiot Zell over there, Duel was pathetic... Chocolancer 23:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  15. He has a cool accent, ya? BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 00:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  16. Gotta go for the guy with the ball! AtmaCrisis 01:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  17. Gotta get my hair to stick up, ya? Soldier of Light
  18. He is basically an underwater soccer player, and thats coolTrio1000 05:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  19. I felt I connected better with Wakka, although I liked them both! NeoSeth 10:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  20. wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka his name is the sound pac man makes thats 2 vote for Wakka GunnerMatt 13:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  21. Don't like either of them. But Attack Reels is far better than Zell's thing. -Alarielle- 16:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Wakka Rocks ya? ! :))
  23. Lockhart - No friggin contest for me. Wakka is tolerable. Zell, no.
  24. Wakka for sure. Blitzball ftw --Zephyrus11 06:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
  25. Wakka has balls. Thats all Mooglessaykupo 21:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
  26. Wakka is freaking awesome. Gotta love the hair, ya? And his ridiculous little hop thing he does when he gets a status boost from an ally. Like so much in X, he's so ridiculously bad he's awesome. Dazuro 06:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
  27. Hiddensilver Ugh, tough choice. I'm probably one of the few people who actually likes both of these guys. Zell is hotter, and Wakka really pissed me off with his religious bigotry in X, but he was quoting Al Bhed by X-2 and I think that deserves a vote.
  28. Devil Breaker 11:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC) I vote 4 wakka because i think he's just cooler than zell.
  29. Aramis Waka doesn't have a stupid tatoo.
  30. Mr. Rojo: I like both, but I like Wakka more, his storyline and character are more developed.
  31. Lolcakes: At least Wakka has balls. lol!
  32. 1. Wakka is just a badass, mon 2. Kudos to Hiddensilver 3. Let's not forget that Wakka has the same voice actor as Bender! Violetmage
  33. Wakka uses friggin' balls to beat his opposition that's like cutting them using feathers! SonOfAJenova
  34. yuna359:I vote for Wakka all the way!!
  35. Attack Reels do the trick against anything. It's way too easy to solo through nearly anything. Kupuntu 20:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 20:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC) Wakka is cooler, ya? And he has a pretty neat back story too.
  2. Wakka=Cool! Also I Found Him Usefull In Battles

Votes for Zell[edit source]

  1. I actually used Zell, even if I did hate him... Terra_Homing
  2. Mr_Darkside Zell was just cool...when you first see him, Wakka wansn't at all.
  3. Zell is cool no matter what. I have nothing to say about Wakka. --dudutsai
  4. Zell is the most useful character in FFVIII. Armageddon Fist pwns all. ChaosEsperVII
  5. Zell is tourettes on crack. And I love him for it. - DeadlySlashSword 02:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. BlueHighwind : This isn't really a vote for Zell, or against Wakka, but rather a vote against Hydrosina.
  7. Wakka is a cool dude, he's one of only two good characters in X's crapfest of a Main Party. But Zell is just oodles cooler. He's not married to Lulu, funnier, looks cooler. And it's ridiculous how broken his Limit Break is. Tifa wishes her's were as cheap. In the end Mr. Dinct gets too much flak for no reason in, as does Wakka. AnonyMan
  8. Zell may not be the "best character ever", but he's from FFVIII so I gonna vote for my home dog! Squallinoa 08 03:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  9. I gotta go with Zell here, he was my favourite character from my favourite FF, how could I not? He's the comic relief, but he's also a great fighter, and although I really like Wakka too, it's gotta be Zell. BritBoy 03:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  10. ChiefKakashi 04:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC): Uhhhh...His hair is less ridiculous...? I don't know, I haven't voted in a while and I've been playing VIII lately...
  11. i like zell's weapon better, a ball or a fist, i'll take the fists Lost-myth 06:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  12. Blitzball is stupid, Wakka is Stupid. They both somehow revolved around each other and create an endless chain of stupidity. Zell despite being from one of the worst games in the series is only just better than Wakka. Rocking Chair
  13. Zell is somewhat better kind of.--BigCubby 12:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  14. Zell's cooler. Myself 123 15:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  15. Zell is cooler and WAY stronger than wakka. Badag
  16. ArableLadle : Sorry Wakka I have to vote for cool hotdog guy who can use armageddon fist
  17. I'm not too fond of either character, in terms of plot or combat. However, I prefer Duel over Wakka's Wheels. I'm not very good at slots. ClixPsi
  18. Ocoton: Wakka always got on my nerves, I prefer Zell, and I find his combat style far more appealing than throwing balls at people.
  19. because I said I would vote for him when this fight was suggested. Plus I actually USE Zell unlike Wakka. EmptySky 01:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  20. Hyacynth : When I run across a videogame character that I don't like, I ask myself "but are they as bad as Wakka?" and the answer never fails to be "no."
  21. ZELL ALL THE WAY!!!!! GRIEVER POWER 03:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Do NOT add comments BELOW this line. Let's read and comprehend now, please. Um, letsee... I might as well vote... Wakka's hair scares me. It looks like a Dairy Queen cone. 8bit 03:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  23. never played both X and VIII... but zell looks cooler.... dis iz my first vote!!!yahoo 4 me!Onionknight23
  24. Twilight_rain Actually, I hate both of them, but at least Zell speaks in a normal way! And monks are a bit cooler than gamblers/wanna-be-a-ranger-with-a-stupid-ball.
  25. Maverick Riot: I must be the only human on earth who actually likes both these characters, right? Zell only gets my vote because he existed first.
  26. Ugh, Wakka was so annoying. Worst character in the series, and his outfit doesn't help either. At least Zell can fight worth a crap, and he has cool Limit Breaks. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|23:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  27. Ziek_TuvaiWakka is a bigger chickenwuss than zell. >_>
  28. Rydiaofmist Zell was alright. However, I couldn't stand Wakka. I hated the way he stubbornly clung to Yevon for so long without question, I hated his bigotry toward the Al Bhed, and I hated how he reminded me of so many people I've met personally that cling to antiquated points of view to support their own prejudices.
  29. Free bird 00:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC): I thought Zell was an awesome character in a terrific game! I really liked his personality, his combat style, and I think he's among the best support characters. Don't get me wrong, I like Wakka, too, but I prefer Zell.
  30. recino Zell ends-up being actualy useful and still kinda amusing. Yet I tried so very hard to ignore waka but the game keeps puting him in your way
  31. Theentertainer While I do like Zell, the reason I'm voting for him today is simply because everytime Wakka opened his mouth I would come up with new and gruesome ways to wish for him to die ingame. I still consider him the most annoying FF character.
  32. Zell is a god. He's cool without trying, and the funniest character in the FFVIII cast... and funnier than many from other games. He's cute, nice, a bit hyperactive... and he repairs machines by punching. And he's a monk. If Squaresoft had worked on Zell's past, he would be one of the best characters in all FF. Infinitely greater than the stereotypical Wakka, who only has one original thing... fighting with a ball. By Rai Balmung, the gargoyle.
  33. Wakka is just annoying. Zell's limit is just so damn cheap it's epic :p Winged Lion 20:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
  34. Zell's Limit is so awesome it isn't even a contest. Come on, armageddon fist kind of murders anything! Kuja Tribal 16:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 23:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)- I don't really like either, but Zell is from my favorite FF so he gets my vote.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Somebody try to convince me thar there is anything good about what either of these two do or who they are, and I'll vote for that person. --BlueHighwind 22:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither of them is Vaan or Cait Sith? RowdyCMoore
Zell eats hot dogs. --dudutsai
Petridis hot dogs on 25th Street and Broadway? --BlueHighwind 00:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Wakka isn't from FFVIII
Zell isn't from FFX. Terra_Homing 00:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Zell becomes part of your final team. ChaosEsperVII
Wakka can wreak havoc with his balls? Leon5550
This is all the proof you need ->

Tell me Blue didn't just single-handedly start a war. MasterConjurer 00:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is going to start a war because of these two, it's like fighting over Yuffie and Rikku... Terra_Homing 01:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Bad example. I happen to absolutely adore Yuffie and Rikku. MasterConjurer 01:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Me, too. I think Yuffie and Rikku are great characters and yet they're both ridiculed because of how they were potrayed. Same goes for Zell and Wakka. Cluna 06 01:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Congrats on being your own man, my friend. Supply your own example then... Terra_Homing 01:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
How 'bout fighting over Eiko and Relm? It seems very few people actually cared about that fight. Then again, Wakka and Zell are better than that, at the least. マシタカンジュウラ 01:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. Nice Signature by the way ^^ Terra_Homing 01:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I changed it like 45 minutes ago, because the disappearing spacebar was getting boring. Now both words alternate between English and katakana! I rather enjoy the <choice> tab. マシタ カンジュウラ 01:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Just leave them both bloody and broken in a back alley OwlEye 17:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I would rather leave them in the middle of a street where they can be seen and laughed at Rocking Chair

Wow, an innate loser or a character I don't even know? This is hard ffwikia! I'm with Blue --- User: Zak Undersn --- 17:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Everyone here had a great chance to reject this when it was suggested. It obviously got plenty of support, so stop complaining and just vote. (I'm talking to just about everyone, not just one person here.) ~MasterConjurer 20:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Time to update? - DeadlySlashSword 20:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

What just happened to all the anon votes? Master Conjurer 21:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Those votes not in compliance with the rules listed at top are removed. I posted them in red when they were updated. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Dont you think that Wakka can cause more then 99999 damage with some of his limit breaks?

Week 105: Eiko v. Relm[edit source]

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26 to 26
A battle of children magicians, Eiko a powerful Summoner, while Relm... well, she's a little harder to classify.

Votes for Eiko[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind: Horray for the lesser of two evils!
  2. For Madeen and Terra Homing! Terra_Homing
  3. Don't care, picking Eiko because her ability doesn't glitch at every possible moment. ScatheMote 18:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. Once Eiko arrived she puts Garnet out of a job(two jobs even). Anyway she's a very cool character and funny as hell to boot. Relm's not bad though, but no where near as entertaining. AnonyMan 18:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  5. Hmm... I think Eiko wins this by a mile. He's really ticking me off! Can I kill him? What a bimbo! 8bit 19:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. Eiko's summons are much better than Relm's petty pictures. Squallinoa 08 22:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  7. This girl sure is HORN-y! Get it!? ...Well, at least she has good taste in men. --Tacochickenwings 23:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  8. Eiko lived with moogles, and moogles rule! Soldier of Light
  9. Eiko's got a horn and has Moogle-connections. The Moogles would find me if I didn't vote for her.--JohnnyC 04:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  10. voting for her becuz i only haved used her out of the 2. GRIEVER POWER 05:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  11. never played either game so i'll just vote for the cuter one Derum
  12. She's one of the reasons why I survived that battle against Kuja on Disc Three. Garnet was the other. TheSwordofDoubt 07:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  13. she is way good she has horn that is all i have to say bowlsie12
  14. Her relationship with Mog was just too kyoot. <3 —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|11:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  15. I really like Eiko--BigCubby 12:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  16. She is thrice as annoying as Relm, so my vote is hers. Also, she is the only Holy and Full-life caster in FFIX, which makes her a must.Kuja Tribal 13:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  17. Mr. Rojo
  18. Truthfully, it's a hard call for me, but her altering summons, and being the "real" white mage in IX gives Eiko my vote. Holy, Phoenix, Fenrir wind and earth, and Carbuncle, plus her "I'm a grown up too" attitude just made her so cute. :) Junath
  19. It was funny when she got her shirt caught on that banister in Alexandria Castle XD! Violetmage
  20. Eiko is definitely the funnier of the two. A very sympathetic little brat. SamSandy 12:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
  21. Summoner. It says it all. -Alarielle- 23:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
  22. Eiko I would USE in battle. Relm? No. Eiko could summon, and to be able to whoop people with a flute? Simply amazing. User:Sera89
  23. Maverick Riot: Even though her artwork is... interesting... and she could be quite annoying... she was all right I guess.
  24. Hyacynth: I like them equally in terms of personality, but Relm has glitched my savefiles way too many times.
  25. RedMage: She reminds me of my little sister. Despite this, shegets my vote for being a great healer and the only character in the series to directly refference potatoes.
  26. Because she represented a breath of fresh air for me, when I played IX. #NeoSeth 11:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for Relm[edit source]

  1. If you don't vote for her, she's going to draw your picture! Faethinverba volant
  2. She's an artist, and FFVI rocks. RowdyCMoore
  3. Relm is hotter *evil grin* -Henryacores^ 18:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  4. I need tacos or I'll explode OwlEye 19:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  5. Hmmm, they both remind me so much of my little sister, but moreso Relm because she likes to draw. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 19:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  6. Relm is an artist and I am an artist. Common, huh? Cluna 06 20:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  7. Master Conjurer 20:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  8. relm rules best ff character
  9. She can kill people by painting them WHO ELSE CAN DO THAT? Mooglessaykupo 03:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  10. Waaaaaaahhhh! - DeadlySlashSword 05:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  11. Simply because I like art :P. Also, I really don't like Eiko's design. — YuanSaluto!Acta 06:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  12. I can draw, like her, but my drawings cant come to life, fight for me, or control others to... Leon5550
  13. She wants do draw uncle Ulty!!! CookiePinguy 10:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  14. She can glitch your game and screw up your save file! SO MUCH POWER - dudutsai
  15. She's Shadow's daugter. Myself 123 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  16. I was going to vote for Eiko, but Relm threatened to draw my picture. Ameria 05:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
  17. only because ive only played FF6 AtmaCrisis 08:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
  18. I don't know Relm, but she can't be any worse than Eiko. Eiko's useful in some battles, but the fact that she's stupid little girl in the story, just bothers me too much. Kupuntu 12:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
  19. Shadow's daughter can't lose! Karu
  20. Her scene with Ultros is cute, plus she has a pretty unique power. Rydiaofmist
  21. Rocking Chair You know what, I like Relm better
  22. Relm is more unique in battle. plus FFVI is one of the best games in the series Keiko2113
  23. The single strongest spellcaster the seres has EVER seen. And Eiko is weak, although her theme song is better, and she still kicks ass. Not like Nomura's ditzes. They suck. --Crazyswordsman 17:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
  24. Relm's freaking powerful, plus she's bloody adorable. Even without Sketch she's great, and Sketch is a silly fun move with epic implications if you're into haxglitches. And her music was really good. Dazuro 18:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
  25. Lockhart - I'm not the biggest Relm fan, but Eiko just grates my nerves. I don't really know why. Gotta go with Relm.
  26. I love them both, of course, but I love Relm a little more. Plus, I think she's a tad more unique in the FF world. Yzz 20:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Hm, still nothing in the white box on the right. MasterConjurer 20:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Eiko is fuckwesome, but she's kinda lame as a fighter. And I haven't finished FFVI yet, so i won't vote.

Both of them could pwn Nomura's ditzes COMBINED. --Crazyswordsman 17:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the DNC became really crappy? Philip Mccann 21:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
The great ideas are used up. We need a new weekly thing to do. MasterConjurer 21:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is Relm's box grey? o.O Wouldn't yellow be more suitable? Yzz 20:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Week 104: Gestahl v. Brahne[edit source]

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26 to 25½
A duel of autocrats. Take it how you will, fist fight, diplomatic duel, a fight between great nations?

Votes for the Emperor[edit source]

  1. Gestahl isn't the uglest character ever made in Final Fantasy. Brahne is, and to top that, Brahne isn't really a villain. ScatheMote 17:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. Well, Brahne was never in control of her schemes, being led by Kuja, so in the end, she was just a "peon". Gestahl, in the other hand, was overthrown only because he trusted Cefca too much when he shouldn't. Kuja Tribal 18:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. Dark Raven
  4. Quina's a bikini babe compared to her. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|21:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. User:DarknessXER Emperor Gestahl might not of been at all as great as Kefka but he's the one who pretty much started the whole magitek thing in FF VI and he also learned mighty spells that the party hasnt even thought about until the World Of Ruin.
  6. Props to a man who helped create the great Cefca! Master Conjurer 15:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  7. He did run, he did run, and he was well done Faethinverba volant
  8. Gestahl was actually in control, unlike Brahne. - DeadlySlashSword 16:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  9. I like FF VI better. Myself 123 16:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  10. --BigCubby 18:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. OwlEye 22:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  12. The boss of Terra, Celes, Kefka, General Leo, and a bunch of Espers is AOkay for me. Leon5550
  13. it's all about the emperor! User:Demagox
  14. At least he's not overweight. --Crazyswordsman 12:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  15. My vote goes to the one who was accually the cause (or at least the one who was the face of the cause) of the whole game until Kefka fried him. --Yath
  16. I'm not voting for Queen Fat Ass.Xepscern Highwind
  17. recino Brahne was fugly and was a puppet that did everything because Kuja told her to. However the emperor actualy did his own thing and actualy came much closer to takeing control of the world... until kefka killed him.
  18. He's an emperor. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 00:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
  19. Brahne was a puppet. I still remember seeing Brahne first time in IX. I have no idea who is Emperor, but he has to be better character than Brahne Kupuntu 10:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
  20. Brahne is fat and ugly --dudutsai
  21. 18:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
  22. I havent played 6 or 9 so i'll just vote for eho sounds cooler Derum
  23. Masamune: I hate to be "that guy", but...VI>IX.
  24. Yay! Numbering is back up! I like IX more than VI, but Gestahl's death was much more impressive in my view. Plus Brahne's last words are various screaming and guffawing sounds, compared to the Emperor's: "The world is about to learn the meaning of fear..." 8bit 21:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
  25. TheRabbitt: Is Brahne really winning this right now? Come on people!
  26. Coraircate: It's friggin' FFVI for god's sake!

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

Votes for the Queen[edit source]

  1. Haha this fight is brilliant! With Eidolons and the Black Mage army Brahne can do anything. Imagine an army of Vivis and Bahamuts. She even makes Kuja bleed a bit. Terra_Homing
  2. She at least makes me laugh the first minute I look at her. Then both inspire me pity. -Alarielle- 22:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. She can make Gestahl run really fast. -Henryacores^ 23:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Brahne is indeed the most disgusting character from FF, but she's kinda funny in her own way. Plus, she used Odin to obliterate Cleyra, and that was cool! I dislike 'em both, but because of this Brahne wins. Rihya
  5. She freaks me out the first time i saw her. that then made then made me laugh so thats why im voting for herGRIEVER POWER 02:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. Tzui20 12:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC) yeah Brahne´s just a hot girly, love her *kissy*
  7. Neosamuel I didn't like 6 so ill go with her but I barly know ether character.
  8. What every fat, ugly girl aspires to be: A murderous tyrant with a girly man-slave.--Muchomas35 19:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  9. She's a more entertaining evil ruler,(usually jokes at her expense). She's did some pretty heinous things. She's surrounded by better supporting characters. Not like being manipulated doesn't makes somone less popular, look at Edea. AnonyMan 21:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
  10. ain't over 'till the fat lady sings! Chocolancer 02:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. Queen Brahne can, through the graces of Kuja, undoubtedly defeat Gesthal. Plus I've seen more of her army than of Gesthals, which leads me to believe that she has more military strength. Not to mention Beatrix as her general. =) User:Sera89
  12. famm e tuhd naymmo ghuf dra udran kio, yht tacbeda fryd baubma cyo, Final Fantasy 9 fyc y kuut kysa. Hud dryd Queen Brahne ec y vyjuineda, pid oayr e'mm ku fedr ran. (Al Bhed because i was bored :)) TheA-Man
  13. She's gets my vote because of Beatrix awesomeness. User:Soldier of Light
  14. Vampyro entertaiment 08:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC) brahne rocks!!!! she is willing to even shoot her "own" daughter... that just proves how brutal she is!!!!
  15. Brahne is one hot mom. Anyone who is blue and bloated gets a vote in my book! I second Soldier of Light's comment! Violetmage
  16. I hated her first because in the beggining of the game, she looks like the main villain, but afterward when she dies I feel kinda sad because her real personality was shown (how she really enjoy the time she spent with Garnet and her husband). User:Rockmanmegaman
  17. You know Kuja tapped that at some point. --Tacochickenwings 15:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  18. ChiefKakashi: Currently losing by a small margin.
  19. Hydronisa: Looks like this will be another tie, I actually felt sorry for Brahne. Gestahl was a prick to the very end.
  20. Rydiaofmist: I think that Gestahl was smarter and more cunning than Brahne, but I pitied that misguided queen from IX. She was used by Kuja while she was going through a very vulnerable period in her life. Besides, people love to hate the fat chick. I pity her for that too.
  21. Hmm... tough call. I'm only choosing Brahne because her palace was cooler (Alexandria>Vector). Also, I like the movie at the end of disc 2. Captain Darkblade
  22. Lockhart: Brahne definitely scares me more. Just look at her. I'm frightened.
  23. Mr. Rojo: I like the scene when she dies in the beach.
  24. Billylemmon 14:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC) : Cos she's cooler.
  25. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. 18:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)- I never played VI, and IX is a great game, so my vote goes to Queen Fatass!

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Ooooh! New Design! Cluna 06 18:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I like it much better than the old one. Kuja Tribal 18:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I concur. I like the "Vs." crystal... shiny o.o.... And I can't decide who to vote for :( 8bit 01:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
But what goes in the white box to the right? Master Conjurer 15:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I believe it could be the voting count. Kuja Tribal 00:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, i think it means "Versus". and i don't mean to insult you, but it was kinda obvious. Derum

User:DarknessXER Heh Gestahl is tricky as hell, almost sounding like hes making absolute peace with the returners when hes actually secretively plotting to Ultimately finish them, not to mention also putting Kefka in jail to make you almost completely believe what hes saying.

What the poster above me said. While Ghestal was using Kefka(he was following Ghestal's orders during most of the WoB, after all), Brahne was being manipulated by Kuja.

Is anyone else somewhat surprised Sephiroth lost? BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 00:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
As it turns out, we were overestimating the VII-only fans and underestimating the VII haters. MasterConjurer 00:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Or maybe because the margin was rather slim we need not be paranoid about fanboys. 8bit 02:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe if they were evenly matched characters that would be true, but in this case we're talking about one of the most popular villains of video game history versus a game that Square and most players were happy to wash their hands of and forget. This is like Leon versus Sephiroth, and that might be unkind to Leon. Square has at least touched FFII again. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
I'm not surprised. SE hurt Sephiroth and all of VII with overexposure. Sad but true. ChaosEsperVII
Sephiroth is actually the most liked villain in the world, but here ther're mostly FF experts who see the truth about the guy. But I'm not going to rant about it. And remember Squall and VIII are good hero/game despite what you may think. Again, I don't want to rant about it. The series of fight is over, let's go on. -Alarielle- 16:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sephiroth lost because of the legion of haters who can't accept he is more popular than their favorite character. But lets stop talking about him now. This is between Ghestal(the manipulator) and Brahne(the manipulated). lol

^Who wrote that?^ If their favorite character wins, doesn't that make him the more popular? Master Conjurer 01:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sephiroth is, or was, more popular than a lot of FF characters, and I'm not talking about this webpage, but the game-world itself. He is/was one of the most popular villains in RPG-history and maybe, video-game-history too. And because of that, people feels the need to bash, underrate, and vote against him, while spitting ignorant bulshit like "he just killed a flower girl, burned a village, summoned a meteor, and NOTHING MORE", or "he is a momma's boy". Bashing FFVII and Sephiroth is the new cool thing to do. It's the way found by the losers, to show their individuality and that they aren't influenced by the "ignorant masses", as they call it.

Amen. -Masamune 17:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Sephiroth is good as others FF antagonist, everyone diserve respect. CookiePinguy 23:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Week 103: Squall v. Sephiroth[edit source]

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53 ½ to 45 ½
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...and this should effectively get rid of all of the "VII" v. "VIII" fights that are in the queue...

Votes for Squall[edit source]

  1. As the number 1 Squall fangirl here, the first spot for Squall is mine. - SilverSummonerTaLk and no, you can't complain bout that
  2. Mr. Rojo: Squall, of coursee! He is my favorite male character in the entire FF series. Squall is a great fighter and character (yess, he is), also Sephiroth is very overrated.
  3. Squall won it for me against Omegaweapon. What did Sephy do? he murdered tons of people, raped a village in the hills, killed aerith, tried to destroy the world which was an epic fail... Squall is better in my book.. Phade Paradox 15:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Because it annoys me that Sephiroth (and the rest of FF7) gets tonnes of attention, whilst the rest of the series gets ignored. I like Squall a lot more then i used to, his a character that grows over the course of the game, Sephiroth's story is so long and complicated by now he fails in my eyes. Also Gunblade > Katana (even if it is fictional). Terra_Homing
  5. At least Squall wasn't a feminine mama's boy like Sephy. Derum
  6. MrAllStar2 : my 2 favorite characters in the whole franchise. Squall the best tho
  7. Lord Eliwood Moody though he may be, at least he's actually in the entire game, not just for about 15 minutes. Plus I REALLY want to see "The ultimate villain" lose to the "Emo Kid"
  8. Hiddensilver He doesn't like to share personal things and as a result he's very moody... Squall is an effective leader because of that fact. Sometimes it is easier to capture the people's respect when they know very little about you except for the fact that you're an exceptionally good soldier. Many leaders in real life make it a point to share very little of their personal lives so that it won't interfere with their work. He eventually did open up to those close to him, proof that he knew his own boundaries and that he could indeed relate to other people. Sephiroth, on the other hand has pretty much no boundaries since he can murder families without a second glance. All of his actions are ultimately for self-gain and revenge. My vote goes for the one who didn't plan on murdering an entire planet just to find a proverbial land that might not even exist.
  9. Cluna 06 20:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC): Down with the mama's boy!
  10. "Cause I can. Johan Liebert 20:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. No78Well, it looks like Sephiroth is going to win. I'm not sure I have the knowledge to decide whether Sephiroth could definetly beat Squall, so in my eyes it could be either. I'll vote for Squall because I prefer him as a character, and anything to stop Sephiroth from winning right? :P
  12. Why do I vote for Squall ? Perhaps because he's my favourite FF male character ? - Alarielle
  13. Squall, gunblades down. I love Sephiroth as well, but I'm gonna vote for the guy that doesn't have Freud's Oedipus Complex. Plus, if that emo wannabe called Cloud can kick Sephiroth's ass, then Squall won't even have to pull the trigger once to crush Sephiroth.Winged Lion 23:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  14. Just to see what'll happen if FFVII loses. Uwehehehehehe! - Henryacores^ 01:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  15. Squall's a talented fighter, the best around in FFVIII's world. I seriously think he can take Suckaroth in a fight, much better than what Cloud puts up. If he went through the SOLDIER process he'd be amongst the top. Oh and he's a much cooler character --AnonyMan 01:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  16. BritBoy:A tough one, but I gotta go with the VIII character again
  17. Let's see if I get deleted again. . . Squall. I like FF VIII and am legitimately sick of the over-hype surrounding Sephiroth. - User:Margrace
  18. I love Squall! Him and his gunblade! I bet he could take Sephiroth any day. That and i can't stand Seph at all...EmptySky 03:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  19. Only cause he uses a gunblade and shooting the things seems like it will break ur arm off Lost-myth 03:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  20. Like Sephiroth, Squall has a darker personality and a cool weapon. Unlike Sephiroth, however, Squall is not insane. - DeadlySlashSword 05:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  21. Hyacynth I'm giving this to Squall because of his VS line against Sephiroth in Dissidia. Buuuuuurn.
  22. Mr_Darkside :Squall made Final Fantasy for me as I played FFVIII first and then FFVII
  23. Dramirth: As the ultimate Squall-wannabe, I cast my vote to our "taciturn and reluctant hero." Squall is just simply the best fictional character in this universe, and cosplaying him is like a dream come true. In addition, as this elite SeeD mercenary is a prominent fighter, has some of the most amazing moves in FF history, there's no way I would vote for his opponent - even if it is the divine One Winged Angel. Squall rules! (^\^,)
  24. recino Squall get's the vote for several reasons 1. He has a gunblade 2.When we think about it, if Squall was in FF7 he would easly (with a littel help from the guys on the teem) beet Sephy (unless we're talking KH Sephy) and 3. Squall inspired my username
  25. Fonzyboi 10:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  26. GunbladeWarlord : Squall is the most powerful warrior in his given world, master of his art, and could quite frankly wtfpwn a Shampoo Obsessed Wuss with an Oedipal Complex. Case closed. (Also, out of hand, FFVII sucks as a whole, which includes Suckaroth over there).
  27. Summoner Seikyu Seeing as I love nearly every Final Fantasy character, any vote from me is a very tough thing to give... However, I have noticed that the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII has become a bit hollow and overrated (In my own opinion). Though I am not against Sephiroth's character, I would like to see someone other than Cloud win against him. :D
  28. Vegna Gunner Squall shoots Sephiroth, Job done.
  29. Summonerluna Definitely Squall...Saving the world vs. trying to destroy it. Plus he didn't kill one of my favorite characters, and his personality is far more interesting.
  30. mmm. i just love squall more. he's not all needy. "who am i? lets burn down stuff. let's kill people. i don't know who i am" --Billylemmon 21:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  31. This was an easy choice for me. Squall was always one of my favorite FF protagonists, while Sephiroth was in my favoritee FF villains list, but after I played a few more games in the series he lost that position. Both are tough and have cool weapons, but Squall has an explanation for his personality, while Sephiroth is just a loony. Rihya
  32. Cuz i think Sephiroth is a little overrated... but just a little. AtmaCrisis
  33. I'm pretty neutral on this one, but I just feel like voting for Squall since Sephiroth gets on my nerves a bit. --Aetheryn 08:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
  34. Delta Red: Whatever.
  35. Because I can. And Squall is cooler. Can we start having fights without recycling the same old characters? Violetmage
  36. Genesis rhapsodos: Squall, even though he's younger, steps up and handles things like a badass. Funny how half the people voting for Sephiroth say there's no comparison and yet... Oh well, as Squall would say to all this, Whatever...
  37. Well da whole of FF7 suks in my opinion. Squall would kick Sephiroth ass anyday with Lion Heart. Sephiroth is just an idiot who gone spastic, so what makes him so special.GRIEVER POWER
  38. Sephiroth is but a one-dimensional character who is obsessed with his momma. Squall, aside from being a goth-emo boy, grows to be a leader, and fight against time compression. He has CHARACTER. - Kuja Tribal 11:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
  39. --JZ
  40. Don't really like both of these characters, but I hate Sephiroth alot. 1st reason is because he's from FF7 and the other reason is every time when they release a poster of villains, they have to make that fag the largest and stand out the most. - User:Rockmanmegaman 12:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  41. Freeze Execution: Squall+Lionheart= WIN.
  42. InvisibleJo - SQUALL FOR THE WIN! FFVIII is my favourite game of all time!!
  43. SacredMist: To be honest, I really never did understand why Sephiroth was so popular. All I hear left and right is that he's apparently this amazing villain when I've never really noticed anything that would set him apart from other villains in the series. Squall on the other hand, was developed much more and despite his callous exterior, still managed to make a progress through the game.
  44. I'm sorry to be here late, and that my only edit (i think in months) has to be here and not in the mainspace; but this is a tough one. Thse 2 are 2 of my favorite characters. I choose Squall, but only because I like the character developement he's had since FFVIII came out. So there you have it, and I hope to keep contributing here. Sorry!! SeeD Gunblader 16:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  45. Kupo Mog: Despite preferring VII overall as a game, I prefer Squall as a character. Another vote for Squall!

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I really liked FF VIII, and actually enjoyed it slightly more than VII. Squall may have his moments of "eff the world" and all that but he doesn't have that creepy Oedipus Complex that Sephiroth has going on. I personally feel Sephiroth is an over rated character.- Musashi
  2. Sephiroth sucks, Squall kicks ass enough said. - Zion
  3. I've wanted to see this fight ever since the dissidia trailer showed it however not in the form of a popularity contest. It just serves the two no justice. In my opinion squall is a way better match for sephy than cloud but alas squall was put in 8 and not 7. Obviously my vote is for squall, it's just a shame that such an amazing fight is being rendered to this. >_>
  4. I don't like FFVII, probably Sephiroth would just kick Squalls ass, but I do prefer a gunblade over a long katana.
  5. No Contest.
  6. I find Sephiroth to be a tad overrated so Squall gets my vote.
  7. Gun+Blade beats Blade
  8. Squall's Lion of a Heart will destroy Sephiroth plus Lionheart will Pawn Supernova anyday
  9. Squall is a much more interesting and developed character than Sephiroth. Plus I only like fanon Sephiroth after development, rather than the OMG I SHALL DESTROY YOUR WORLD WHILE WEARING BELTS AND SHOWING OFF BISHIENESS. Sephiroth is waaaay overrated, he has an interesting past but that's about it. Sephiroth would probably beat Squall though in a fight, but then Squall has mostly natural power instead.
  10. Chose him, chose him....
  11. Overly moody drama llama vs incomprehensible yaoi-bait. Squall wins, hands down. Not only does Squall win, but Kefka then kicks Sephiroth's body.
  12. Squall for the win!!
  13. Squall all the way!!!
  14. I like Squall better, plus his weapon is better
  16. Decliner would like to say that he likes Sephiroth's badassness a lot but Squall still has the gunblade.
  17. Squall beats silver haired mommys boy anyday!

Votes for Sephiroth[edit source]

  1. Ooh look, my first ever vote. And am I the first Sephiroth voter? Wow... SeraphSummoner 15:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. Umm, yeah. I'll go Sehpy. ScatheMote 16:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. In my opinion, Sephiroth is perfect. NOTHING is better. sometimes I even wish I AM Sephiroth so i gotta go with him. However, I don't dislike Squall. He is still pretty cool.1stclasswarrior 16:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. ANOTHER VII vs. VIII fight? Is this place turning into the very thing I wanted to fight against when I salvaged it? Anyway, I'm voting for the lesser of two evils here. Emo is worse than goth. --Crazyswordsman 17:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. Sephiroth eats Squall for breakfast and uses his gunblade as a toothpick. --[[User:Dancemacabre]
  7. So easy. Dark Raven 17:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  8. Every reason that I give for Sephiroth being better will only sound redundant. Can we get fair fights from now on? ChaosEsperVII
  9. Theres frogs in Paris. Need a Ham Ham and Tea Theres frogs in Paris Need a Ham Ham and Tea Sephiroth Sephiroth. Swords in my knees Ed peed on these... Swords in my knees Ed peed on these... Sephiroth Sephiroth! Lulz. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|18:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)]
  10. He just radiates awesome. Chaos54956 19:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. At first I wasn't even going to vote, but Faethin showed me one reason to give a damn: it's about the music, stupid. I don't understand Latin, but - SORS IMMANIS!8bit 20:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  12. DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN SEPHIROTH!!! Cloudofdarkness ^_^
  13. Ncm2700 - FF7 all the way!
  14. I vote Sephiroth all the way! -Sencilia
  15. Rydiaofmist: Sephy manages to be both a badass and a mama's boy. I gotta respect that.
  16. Sephiroth:Look at my name.
  17. Neosamuel: Not even a fight, Sephiroth all the way.
  18. Vampyro entertaiment 14:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC) Sephiroth... he haves style... a long sword... and is evil... and the hot... squalls dead already....
  19. Heretic Ramza: You gotta be kidding...right? The fight would be interesting to watch, but C'MON! Sephiroth would definately win the fight! He has experience and genetics over Squall.
  20. We let the Buster Sword fall to the Gunblade and now Sephiroth to Squall!? WHAT MADNESS IS THIS?--Muchomas35 22:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  21. Sephiroth is the best villian ever. And unfortunatly, he's more powerful than Squall (Sorry, Squall...). BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 23:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  22. well that is enough-User:Xzidanex15:47 21 January 2009 (UTC)
  23. Masamune: Oh, I had the most awful dream! Sephiroth was losing in the DNC to a whiny, self-absorbed little bitch from the worst game to ever sully the proud name "Final Fantasy". But nothing like that could ever possibly happen. Why, for it to occur, the majority of the voting community here would have to be teenage girls (or possibly homosexual teenage boys, I don't judge), who identify with the whole emo "nobody understands me" bullshit. For the love of GOD, stop using an exhausted fashion trend that thousands already follow as a means by which to express your individuality! Well, what started out as a mildly sarcastic vote instead turned into yet another of my emo-based hate rants. Oh, well. Anyway, woo! Sephiroth! Yeah...
  24. I agree with Masamune completely --Sonasia 22:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
  25. I dislike Sephiroth (almost as much as Cloud), but I cannot vote for Squall with a clear conscience. Sephiroth is just better... -dudutsai
  26. what arfe you lot thinking if u vote squall u r just sstupid because sephiroth is the best villian in the series and it takes ages to killl him and his word just kicks ass and the his apperance is awsome
  27. Sepha Sephiroth: Best of the best. No complains, no argue, Just the best ever!!
  28. Although I thank Squall is really cool, he annoys me... a lot. Sephiroth would pwn him in a fight anyways.Yzz 14:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
  29. I kinda like Squall but Sephiroth would destroy him unless Sephiroth was asleep and deprived Masamune. Tasuxeda
  30. He has the best musical piece in the whole series and is the most reliable son any alien could have. The Pretender
  31. Sephiroth...need I say more? There is a reason he has been so popular. User:Sera89
  32. I do like Squall but Sephiroth will destory Squall with Super NovaNeoBahamutZEROX 05:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
  33. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Dude, the guy became a god, and when he "died," he lived on as a spiritual virus. He's been a supersoldier, demi-god, god, human Lavos, and immortal spirit virus. Squall... Has friends... And memory loss... And needs those friends to defeat the likes of Ultimecia, who is decidedly WEAKER than Sephiroth (though still pretty powerful).
  3. I do not believe that squall is winning so far. He may be cool but sephiroth would kick his sorry little gothic fatass anyday.
  4. Sephiroth is way cooler.
  5. AlexY: Squall is good for whining. Sephy actually burns and travels through Lifestream and kills. A lot. And that's better than nothing.
  6. Sephiroth has a badass theme and impaled a shitload of people
  7. sephy will slice and dice this kidder any time
  8. Squall might be cool, but he is no match for Sephiroth
  9. Oh come on, really? Hands down Sephy wins!
  10. Since it's all but insinuated that only Cloud is capable of killing Sephiroth, it's kind of a rigged battle. Besides, Killing is what Sephiroth was created for, trained for, paid for, and what he does best. Squall gets paid to follow orders.
  11. It's hilarious how the ignorant haters call him a "momma's boy", and ignore the fact that he cut her head off and used her headless body as a friggin puppet! Yeah, what a big "momma's boy" he is. *rolleyes*
  12. What a joke... Seph all the way obviously.
  13. Let's see... Sephiroth set a village on fire, lived in the lifestream, impaled people, had one of the most awesome themes in the history of forever, has a MASSIVE sword, and gave me one of my favirote quotes: "I will... never be a memory." Squall.... angsted. A lot. Hm, that is a toughy.
  14. destroying the solar system multiple times>gunblade
  15. yeah
  16. Sephy needs more love ^^ Squall is cool too though.
  17. All Hail to the ONE-WINGED ANGEL!!! Nuff said
  18. Sephiroth for teh win, therefore that's where my vote goes to.
  19. Sephiroth > Squall & cloud.
  21. Sephiroth
  22. My vote is for... SEPHIRTH OF COURSE :-D
  23. Sephiroth, yay.
  24. SEPHIROTH IS AWESOME AND WOULD KILL SQUALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  25. I'm not a huge fan of the buzz Square-Enix made around Sephiroth, but he has two advantages over Squall : He speaks, and he's a villain.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

This is a reminder: The airing of grievances is not to be done on this page in accordance with the rules above. A discussion has been opened here.

Can we have something other then FF7 Vs FF8 next week? Terra_Homing

WOW. I can't believe the DNC actually bothered to show this. Either way, I'm not into voting for any of them. ~P.M.

FF7 vs. FF8 again? D: Karu

Isn't this just a fight between Emos? - Lord Eliwood

Hey, when I looked in the page history, it says that TA added 2 anon votes for Tifa and deleted 3 for Rinoa when voting... Is it true? Dark Raven

Three things:

  1. Someone had forgot to put the base on the box, I've fixed that
  2. I'm assuming this is Week 103's fight, so I added that
  3. I'm not voting, cause I think this fight is stupid.

--SCM 21:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Why the f**k are we doing a VII/VIII fight again? -Master Conjurer 22:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Because TA had a hissy fit last week that Tifa and Buster Sword weren't crushing their opponents. Drake Clawfang 22:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm what Dark Raven said? I wouldn't wanna believe TA would do that, but I've heard he's been known to abuse power (how rare) and he was complaining about Tifa and the Buster Sword not winning by a crushing margin, as Drake said...Winged Lion 00:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
He did ,I wonder why? I lost my vote thanks to him.
Interesting. I always knew TA was a prick, never thought him a cheater too. Shows the DNC is coming to these days. Drake Clawfang 00:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
You guys need to pressure him more. --Crazyswordsman 01:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The idea that Blue Highwind or myself should take over the DNC has been floating around for about seven-eight months now, CSM. But none of the Admins have done anything about it. Drake Clawfang 01:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT: Right now I was thinking that I could do it if I had the time (my full-time job is keeping my free time to a minimum now), but I think we should bring this up with TA and if we see any evidence that this is true, we'll hold a vote on the forum for a new DNC guy, and I'd nominate BH and you. --Crazyswordsman 01:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm currently in the process of checking the removed votes. So far of the three removed votes, one was a dup and one was legit. Looking for the third. Either way, so far it ain't looking good for the dude. Drake Clawfang 01:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT X3: Of course we created that idea ourselves, and we've been floating it around for some time out of interests of self-advancement. I've lost interest, since a power-sharing situation is just too much of a hassle. Either I own the whole thing, or nothing. And I'm plain sick of this place after being banned twice in connection to it. --BlueHighwind 01:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT X4 ::::::::I'm gonna try and moderate the fight this week, and if I see TA acting out of line, I'll let him know what the situation is. --Crazyswordsman 01:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and BH, I think a power sharing thing will work the best, then we'll have at least one extra set of eyes on this. --Crazyswordsman 01:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Seems TA explained everything over at the forums... any thoughts on this? I'm probably biased after hearing so many bad things 'bout the guy, but the fact that this happened in a VII vs VIII fight still doesn't sit right with me. Remember the Seifer vs Kadaj fight?Winged Lion 03:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
That fight was so close to... and then he had to say it was a tie... I got really mad at that... But I'll hear what he has to say and then decide... But its not like I have much of a say in this anyway. EmptySky 03:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Most of us lowly non-admins have much of a say XD, plus DNC is his turf, but is nice to share opinions on it. Winged Lion 03:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Reading over that whole forum discussion it almost seems silly. I mean some of the accusations were legit but then some of TA's actions were clearly correct. Ether way you are right, DNC is his turf so until he does something like another Seifer vs Kadaj fight we'll all have to deal with it. Until then it seems that Drake will be keeping an eye on everything here.EmptySky 03:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmph. If I actually had any stake in how things worked in the DNC, there would be no need for that forum topic. Any time I make any attempt to pick up his slack, TA yells at me. Although I do think I could run the place, for now I don't and TA reminds me of that every chance he can take. Drake Clawfang 03:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
It seems he is clearly pressured on doing a good job and with people such as yourself second guessing his work I bet he finds it very annoying. However, yelling at you will not help this at all. I'd have to say in my own opinion that he should let someone else help him handle things here. The DNC obvious finds it's self with cheaters who find the need to vote more than once for their favorite characters which is wrong. TA is trying to make sure these things don't happen as he has explained. But mistakes happen and that only leaves me with my original answer for someone to assist TA with his job here. Someone who could keep watch all week and then let TA do the last and final check. He himself said that he only checks at the end of the week anyway. TA still has his final say and someone can help out while he's not here. Everyone wins.EmptySky 03:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

If ever there was a word thrown around as much as "emo" it hasn't started yet. That word has lost all meaning not that people were actually using it the correctly before. Isn't it origianlly a name for a genre of music? Anony

Indeed, sir. And I'll provide a link to Goth, just for reference. Johan Liebert 03:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, well, my thoughts exactly, but until people start growing a brain...Winged Lion 03:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed but them actually growing a brain is highly unlikely... EmptySky 03:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I hear you! *sigh* such is the world we live in, oh well.Winged Lion 03:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
At least we can make fun of their stupidity right? EmptySky 03:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Damn right! And it indeed is fun ^^ (I seem to not be getting the mails to inform me when something is updated ¬¬)Winged Lion 05:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

This is just awsome and hard to decide for me Poliwirl100 02:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

a no-brainer stupid moron with IP address of removed several votes for Squall. THIS IS SO UNFAIR! I'm restoring the votes for Squall. check the history if you don't believe me. - SilverSummonerTaLk 10:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed Silver. The records showed Super Sephiroth and Mateus the corrupt did it, didn't they? Winged Lion 10:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
WTF is this??? Where's Drake or the nods that should take care of this DNC? - SilverSummonerTaLk 10:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This is getting out of hand. Silver, is there any admnin logged on to ban that Mateus the corrupt guy?Winged Lion 10:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh I'm sorry Winged Lion! Please have mercy on me! Don't ban me! I will never delete the votes again! I promise! (PS: I'm really a girl...) MTC
Gee, my sarcasm detector just exploded. Dude, dudette, whatever you are, stop it.Winged Lion 10:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Drake, BH and myself no longer care about this place. In fact Silver, one of my CSS codes I forgot about removes DNC related things from my RC. BH uses the same. Drake and BH were the two people who cared most for the DNC. I did stuff but never really cared, still checked diffs. You have as much power as BH and Drake ever did so revert vandal edits; you're allowed. You're just not allowed to assume ownership/part ownership for helping and expect people to care for what you do.
I hate this wiki. I hate the DNC. And you (directed at random person), I probably hate you too. I'm going to go back to not caring now.  I Lion Heart I 21:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Well... I'm sorry if I offended people or what. I don't mean it. I started to hate DNC as well. This place is starting to lose its charm...
I said that because I thought that Drake is the one who cared the most bout DNC as well as Blue and TA, of course. Just ignore my comments if it aches your eyes or mind or any part of your body. ^^ And I never expect people to care for what I do, actually.. ^^ Just quite surprised that people who ususally care about DNC suddenly goes.. O_O oh, and don't worry, I'm quite an ignorant person who will simply ignore everything I dislike, including this DNC - SilverSummonerTaLk 07:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the support guys.Winged Lion 21:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You know what? I've stopped caring too. Several of the people here (mainly anons, but there are a few others) could not read rules to save their lives, the last few fights have been stupid and I am just sick of it. Consider this my last DNC edit unless absolutely necessary. --SCM 21:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow...If I might insert a non-member's viewpoint here, it seems that there's an a$$load of not-caring going on by some of the members, as well as a bunch of complaining as to what the DNC's fights are. It seems to me that the "fights" are mainly between two or more currently popular characters. So, instead of whining about the fights, I don't know, SUGGEST SOMETHING NEW! Crazy idea, right? And, if there's proof of foul play going on with the votes, somebody with the authority to do so needs to step in and smack the wrong-doer down a few pegs. Like, back to basic membership, maybe? Don't just b!tch and moan about it, go to whoever it takes to get things dealt with appropriately. And, if you don't care, then why be here? Nobody's forcing you to take part of anything, so why bother? You're only wasting space and neurons. -MasterDiablo

You don't think we're trying to get this settled and move on? Problem is, there are multiple problems with the DNC, more than some users here wish to deal with. I am not one of those users and I wish to help, however, lack of power renders me useless. Most of those with the power here don't give a damn anymore, only furthering the problem. So what do common users like me, who actually care and don't want to see the DNC go, do about this? Nothing. Because there's nothing we can do about it. You say that foul play needs to be addressed? It has been. The problem is, most of the cheating here comes from anons, so there's no peg to smack them down to. And of the whining of about the fights? Plain and simple: Suggested fights only get into the DNC if they have enough support, only fights with popular games and characters get supported, and it is those games and characters that have the most voracious fans, which oftentimes leads to tampering to get their favorite to win. The easy solution would be to rally up some support for a fight that includes characters and games that are less popular, but of course, this does not happen. It's all a vicious circle of fanboyism and apathy, and honestly, I do not see a viable solution. - DeadlySlashSword 07:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
True, most "oh-so-powerful-ones" that cared or were supposed to tend the DNC don't give a crap anymore. Tactic Angel is the big guy here, and he gets things settled at the end of the week, despite how much he is hated on by other users. I'm sure vandalism has happened in one way or another here, I don't think we're strangers to it. The user(s) who did this, MTC and others, have been warned, which seems to me like a bland retaliation but what the heck. If this happens again, I'll undo it and if possible, the responsible person shall be reprimended somehow. Hey, this sort of thing happens, it's not such a big deal. Initially I was very distraught over this, I was the one that brought this whole thing up to everyone's attention over at the forums, but I mean, this is a good section of the wiki, meant to entertain. All we have to do is just push more pre-VII fights and let democracy resume, or whatever.

The one DNC fight in which I don't believe I should vote in. Even though Squall is way cooler.--BigCubby 19:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC) I second your statement, I think this fight is just for people who are still waiting for Dissidia. [[User:Silber 6|Silber

Week 102: Tifa v. Rinoa[edit source]

54 ½ to 48

Dark haired women with the word 'heart' in their name, just one of them in a more German sort of way.

Votes for Tifa Lockhart[edit source]

  1. ScatheMote
  2. Major ouch for Rinoa - Henryacores^ 19:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. Tifa is hotter, stronger, in a better game and less annoying than Rinoa. Drake Clawfang 19:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. Jeppo: At least Tifa doesn't spend most of a disk in a coma!
  5. I may like Rinoa, but I consider Tifa to be the best heroine ever!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. Duh. --SCM
  7. Terra_Homing: I love Tifa, she's deep caring and friendly but could kick your arse in a heartbeat plus i prefer unrequited love to a gushy romance any day. I like Squall better then Cloud but Tifa's just great. She also serves alcohol :D.
  8. Super Sephiroth:Seriously, this contest is a no-brainer. Tifa is stronger, has a better weapon, has the better man, and, as all the fanboys say, she has large breasts. Oh, and she's not a bitch like Rinoa.
  9. Lost-myth 00:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC):I'm voting for Tifa cause i know more of her back story than Rinoa's, besides she fights with her fists not with a chakram.
  10. Tifa, hands down. Tex Howdy! 01:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. See all the reasons above not having to do with sexual fantasies. --Crazyswordsman 04:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  12. Too easy- Lost Hero
  13. Tifa wins due to her two big...fists?RowdyCMoore
  14. Mr. Rojo: Tifa, of course!!! I like both characters, but Tifa is just more interesant and memorable somehow. And I mean, she is a lot more than a girl with big breast, she is great character, a strong fighter, a beautiful woman with great charisma and a person with deep feelings. She is just great and for me the best female in the entire final fantasy universe! Rinoa it's okay, but Tifa just owns it!
  15. ChaosEsperVII: Because Tifa is one of the more believable and human characters, hotness does count, she brought sex appeal to FF which paved the way for future female characters, (yes most people were attracted by her physique, and most haters only see the physique and downplay her personality), she is stronger, and she is flawed. Also, was one of the few selling points for Advent Children. Rinoa spends to much time in a coma, was annoying at times because she is naive and too cheery, and is in general a bad love interest. Selphie, Edea, and Quistis are better contenders. Also, Monty Oum made her a beast in Dead Fantasy. Rinoa did not do nearly as much to DOA girls as Tifa did. Also, for the last time, Materia>Junction+Angel Wings. And for crying out loud, can people stop saying that she sucks at love and tries to use her tits to get dudes? Everyone sucks at love. Yes that includes you, reader.
  16. YuanSaluto!Acta 11:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  17. --BigCubby 12:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  18. They are both beautiful, however i do prefer tifa for some reasons, she is so determined and a strong fighter too,indeed who else could have beaten ruby weapon alone in my game? So she gets my vote for that.Badag
  19. Master Conjurer: A little more personality.
  20. Neosamuel: Tifa was always better, had a better limit break, better back story, and once Cloud is all better in Advent Children has a better boyfriend (Sorry Squall). Plus who could argue with her looks Cloud must be the luckyest guy in FF7.
  21. Clyde Arrowny: Tifa!
  22. Tifa by a mile. I LOVE Tifa she is great. Think about it. She can throw a Sephiroth clone onto the floor and can survive what could be his limit break. She also runs a bar,(YAAAY ALCOHOL!!!)and is one of the hottest characters in history. TIFA TIFA TIFA1stclasswarrior 17:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  23. Chaos54956 19:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Any woman that can beat you up with her bare hands has my vote.
  24. Phoebe Hume Well, I don't really like Tifa, but I hate Rinoa, so... and anyway, Tifa can kick her *ss anytime...
  25. Sepha SephirothHaving big assets is not her fault. She is not only a great fighter but also a hard working woman who was a guide tour and owner of a bar, so How wonderful she is
  26. Draga : Four words: Dilly dally shilly shally
  27. JAvatar80 : Me, I prefer straight up Jobs, but between Materia or Junction, Materia wins. As for their "big" attacks, Tifa's reels wtfpwn a beserk caster. As stated, Tifa has personality, is flawed, and isn't an open book emotionally. That and since she never falls into the "damsel in distress" thing...she just rocks Rinoa's world.
  28. Fonzyboi: Tifa kicks ass, Rinoa kisses....
  29. Vampyro entertaiment 15:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC) tifa is just better... she even haves her own movie... or sumthing
  30. ChiefKakashi: How could I miss this fight for so long?
  31. Masamune: What has the world come to?
  32. Lockhart: No contest.
  33. Oh my god I'm in a coma and I think I will skip A REALLY BIG PART OF THE GAME!! Tifa BY FAR. Also, she didn't get controlled by the main villain of the game. You must have a powerful mind for that. Something that Rinoa just lacked.
  34. Gilgamesh: Tifa is so sexy and she has also na bella zizz (these three words are in slang of naples :D).
  35. Tornadium:Needs Moar Tifa
  36. Maverick Riot: Both characters are good in my opinion, but Tifa has some kind of... 'je ne sais quois'. That wasn't a reference to her boobs.
  37. Really, Rinoa is much too clingy. Tifa is meh. 8bit 22:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
  38. User:rahael_tazusa: tifa rocks!
  39. User:No78: I think in a one on one match Tifa would dominate Rinoa before she had a chance to push the 'shoot' button on her pinwheel!
  40. No contest. MCMLXXXIV 15:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  41. Cloudiroth: I love Tifa so much. Se's so much better than Aerith. And she's way better than Riona, might be because I'm a Trepie but I never liked Riona much at all. Seems that apart from kickassness Cloud and Squall also have a disolusioned taste in women in common as well. Tifa for the win.
  42. I think the fight in the church trumps dead fantasy. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Tifa! Tifa! Tifa! She's totally my idol and she knows how to kick ass. Also, her limit break is so much better than Rinoa's. Tifa's just awesome in every single way.
  2. tifa's the best female in the entire final fantasy universe way better than rinoa or any other female you can think of put that in your pipe and smoke it!
  3. I REALLY hate Rinoa. She really sucked in Final Fantasy VIII. Tifa isn't that great either, but she's still better than Rinoa.
  4. Anyone beats Rinoa... But I also really like Tifa anyway. So either way I would have ended up voting for her.
  5. Decliner: I don't remember liking anybody from FF8.
  6. Tifa's limit break is fun and awesome. With Rinoa, there's nothing more "fun" to enter a sudden boss battle and then watch as she starts to cast Scan with Angel Wings (who reads manuals anyway...), and she was my group's only true healer...
  7. Tifa!
  8. I'm not quite sure Tifa's going to win, seeing how "pop" was FFVIII. However, the best character is obviously her, with Rinoa being quite distant. And no, it has nothing to do with breasts, but with having a credible story, solid motivations, being sympathizable, and not being just an imaginary perfect love subject that changes your life for vague reasons. Though to be fair Squall is not worse than Cloud as Rinoa is worse than Tifa, and is possibly better developed. However, since it's Tifa vs Rinoa we're voting.
  9. Girl fight \o/ ! Linoa (yeah I'm french) is way cuter but she is the kind of girl you always must save...boring. Ah...pretty Tifa...she's a real fighter and obviously she would win easily. Pif paf and knock-out!
  10. Let just say I find Tifa more cute...
  11. This one's a no-brainer.
  12. 51% Tifa to Rinoa's 49%
  13. Tifa forever!
  14. Tifa's better!
  15. Tifa
  16. Monks are cool
  17. you don't like Tifa you should use her
  18. Ifin the Temple of the Ancients, the part at the end made me feel really bad for her.
  19. tifa rocks! strong and cute too =D
  20. The one not in VIII
  21. she is just way more awesome thats my reason. shes just better.
  22. It would take a much better white mage than THAT to beat this girl.
  23. Tifa can use up to seven Limit Breaks at a time, making her an excellent character to play. Plus, she helps Cloud restore his memory. I dunno much about Rinoa, but she can't be any better than Tifa
  24. ahem...TIIIIFFFFAAAAA!!! Personally i can't decide who looks better, so ill just go the with the one who was more useful in her respective game.
  25. Honestly just because I like boobies! lol

Votes for Rinoa Heartilly[edit source]

  1. Go Rinoa... :s Faethinverba volant
  2. Both are great. Rinoa is obviously going to lose, so I vote for her. Dark Raven
  3. Nothing against Tifa, but i prefer Rinoa Delta Red
  4. Free bird 20:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC): I vote for Rinoa. For some reason, I prefer her over Tifa.
  5. People, people! The laws of the universe tell us that Tifa has to lose at least once XD Alright, it is obvious everyone is going to get hypnotized by Tifa's giant Materias, so I'll save my dignity and vote for Rinoa ^^ Angel Wing+Meteor!!Winged Lion 22:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. She brought down hell in Dead Fantasy. Netherith 22:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
  7. Aleria: She's pretty in a more classic way compared to Tifa...
  8. Rinoa > Tifa IMO.. Plus Rinoa is more stylish and dressed better Tifa copied her style and clothes in Advent Children! >:) - SilverSummonerTaLk
  9. MrAllStar2: i think its (Sorceress > Monk/Bartender) but tifa is also great
  10. Hands down my favorite FF Main Heroine; a great personality with spunk(not to the point it's annyoing like Selphie or Yuffie). She's a nice looking character I guess with a decent attire. Most of all, she has Angelo! The best Canine in FF bar NONE! Tifa's boring as all hell, and is only remembered for two reasons. And to top it off Rinoa would annihilate Tifa in a fight if she actually tried to use her cheap ass powers. --AnonyMan 03:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. Toss-up. - DeadlySlashSword 04:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  12. Angel wings, anyone?--JohnnyC 04:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  13. Isn't anyone tired of Tifa already? Sure she's hot, but she FAILS at love! Rinoa knows what love is and she's just beautiful. Remember boys, PERSONALITY beats BOOBS!! Squallinoa 08 05:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  14. Tifa wins too much times in the DNC. It's time for Rinoa to shine (even though she won a fight in the DNC already). CCRedfield 08 05:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  15. UGH! Tifa's giant boobs annoy me! ABDC 08 05:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  16. Rinoa needs love!!! Rinoa Lockhart 05:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  17. Sorry, but I like girls that don't use their "assets" to attract fanboys. I'm a girl, and I know that being yourself will help you find love, not boobs. That's why Rinoa has my vote! Rin Rin 05:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  18. Hyacynth Voting for the girl who goes and asks the guy to dance. I do like Tifa very much, but I'm more inclined toward Rinoa's outgoing personality, and the fact that she's a dog person.
  19. Jammi568: At least she doesn't hold crucial information back that could help solve her boyfriend's personality problems until a very convieniant moment comes along. Tifa may be physically stronger, but Rinoa is the stronger person mentally.
  20. Rinoa would overthrow that big-boob bitch. Magic multiplied by 5 while Limit breaking and free magic casting, could the other one say better ? Free Meteor and 500% Magic, hurts a lot. And Rinoa has a personnality, and fights to seduce her man. Tifa always waits for Cloud to forget Aerith. What is Tifa, Cloud's dog ? Alarielle
  21. Tifa may have bigger assets, but how are they helpful against SORCERESS POWER! ahaha. Billylemmon 19:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  22. She is awesome in Dead Fantasy Mr_Darkside
  23. Lets see, who has the BALLS to tell their crush that they love them? Oh this is easy, RINOA! Tifa fails to tell Cloud that she loves him. Thats why Cloud chose Aerith over her. Trumpet Spike 22:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  24. I'm totally sick of those Tifa fanboys revering her watermelon-sized boobs. Kuja Tribal 23:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  25. Pikmin Master: I don't like either of them. I haven't played VIII, but I suppose that if I had to choose between these two, it's Rinoa.
  26. Tifa is for the fanboys, I love RINOA! Ninja Kasumi 01:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
  27. Rinoa, Simply because Tifa's boobs are too big for my tastes.User:Derum 19:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  28. I really like them both. I think both are very sexy, and both have interesting personalities. The thing is their personalities are pretty much opposites and that was the decisive factor for me. I love outgoing girls, that are nor afraid to do and say whatever they want. Rihya
  29. Pluto.: Rinoa had more character, and actually played a major role in the game.
  30. The sheer amount of work put into the creation of Rinoa's character, in addition the reccurring use of motifs and to be frank, her character depth make this vote a no brainer for me. I have no problem with Tifa, I just prefer Rinoa's character and the conception behind it. Diaxiann
  31. Nearly every main point in FFVIII had something to do with Rinoa, even when she was in a coma during disc 3, AND she was the actual leading lady from her game, AND she's one of the most unique characters (in terms of imagery and style) in the entire series. Tifa isn't. Simple as that. Captain Darkblade
  32. Vegna Gunner: Rinoa was much more key to the story than Tifa, she had a proper story which didn't need to be spread over five different games/films to have any depth, also i love the way she fires her dog at the enemy.
  33. I liked Rinoa better and she was more fun to me. Keheheheh. Metus 17:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
  34. Rydiaofmist: I'm picking Rinoa because I identify with her more than I do with Tifa. However, I'm not going to dismiss Tifa's character just because of the size of her breasts. They are both great characters.
  35. I will cast my vote definitely on Rinoa's side. Tifa is a good character, her skills in battle are superb, which is a good thing, because all the strenght in battles is usually given to male characters. Nevertheless, Rinoa's Sorceress powers are even above that (she is the only being in the whole series who is able to kill using Demi!!) and I like her personality more. Tifa is a bit too tangly, she won't let Cloud have the peace he needs. It's always good to have a dear friend beside you, but constantly hanging onto someone's sleeve is just not right. Rinoa is stronger of mind and much more independent. And come on, as the ultimate Squall fan, would I choose some supernaturally-big-breasted fistfighter over Squall's Sorceress girlfriend? ;) Dramirth
  36. hiddensilver: I like them both, but overcharged magic comes before boobies.
  37. AvaGirl: Rinoa's better, in my opinion...
  38. Jakuro:Rinoa's limit break beats out Tifa'a everytime. Especially if you only teach Invincible Moon to her. Come on Invicibility even limited beats out crappy damage. Yeah Rinoa's damage isn't that great on her own but she meant to be a support character, immortalizing herself and her allies to allow them the chance to do massive damage.
  39. In Final Fantasy 8 I fell in love with Rinoa, can't say the same for Tifa... Phade Paradox 16:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
  40. Dog > Breasts --Zephyrus11 17:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
  41. BritBoy: Before watching Dead Fantasy I would have picked Tifa, but having watched it I can only pick Rinoa, that series made her kickass
  42. TheRabbitt: You know, at first I picked Tifa, but after playing through FFVIII again I have to rescind my vote and give it to Rinoa. I'm not sure why exactly, but I like her personality more. Although, given the situation, I think Tifa's was probably more realistic. Rinoa really did play a much more key role in VIII than Tifa did in VII though. And yes, she's cuter, I think.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I like Rinoa better.
  2. "Did you ever know, that I have my eyes on you?"
  3. "Look into my eyes... You're-going-to-like-me... You're-going-to-like-me... Did it work?"
  4. It's all about personality, NOT BOOBS!
  5. not a fan of FFVIII but Rinoa would own Tifa in a fight
  6. I actually prefer Tifa but the fact that she has the powers of about three sorceress's in her skull is a huge advantage in any fight. Tifa gets points for sheer ballsiness of going toe-to-toe with sephiroth and WEAPON though...
  7. I'd have to go with Rinoa in a fight against Tifa, something about the end of Dead Fantasy II....
  8. I overall just liked Rinoa's character better.
  9. I don't understand why people vote for Tifa, I mean it's Tifa the FREAK WITH GIANT BOOBS (P.S who even likes big boobs), so that I would vote for Rinoa.
  10. She has got a cooler rescue service.
  11. She's...just....better.
  12. I believe, that she is U********, and that's make kinda one sad... so I vote for here.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I'll have to think about this one. I'm the one who suggested this fight, afterall. Cluna 06 19:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Weird. Squallinoa or whatever hasn't voted yet.- Lost Hero

um... This is a hard one I'm gonna have to wait a while on this one Poliwirl100 21:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

To be honest if this were a a year or two ago, I might have actually had to think about this one. I used to hate Rinoa as much as I hate Tifa. I surprised Tifa doesn't have a huge lead right now...not to say it won't happen still. AnonyMan

It's obvious that Tifa is gonna win. No one love Rinoa the way I do! I mean serious guys! You should love a girl with personality, not boobs! Squallinoa 08 06:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I do love Tifa's personality, the boobs are just a bonus. In all seriousness, breasts and general sexual attraction side, I still like Tifa better. Drake Clawfang 06:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
True, I love Tifa, but the thing Tifa fails at is love. Basically, she didn't tell Cloud that she loves him! Basically, Aerith did but not Tifa. Oh and I changed that pics cuz I didn't like the old ones. I hope you guys don't mind. If you don't like it, then you guys can change it back. Squallinoa 08 06:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I do like more the new pics, thanks. :) I think the concept of Tifa "locking" her feelings in her heart it's great, it makes her character diferent from the other girls and more interesant for me. Also, I think that in a future (in the FF VII world) she will eventually let Cloud know how she feels. But it is just my opinion anyway. Mr. Rojo
Going off your thesis on the reason why Tifa sucks at love, then most other people suck at love too. So if other people sucks at love and Tifa sucks at love, then Tifa is more realistic than Rinoa. I'm quite certain that everyone fails to tell someone close to them how they feel. And there are some people who may not tell others how they feel BECAUSE they love them. So your point is invalid. ChaosEsperVII

Mmm I'd like to point out that I would have voted against Tifa no matter who the other character was XD not because I hate her, only because I think characters should not have "Character Shields" in DNC (especially VII ones), and Tifa does have one... I think she needs to lose, even though it's almost certain she wont lose this one. It also just happens that I do like Rinoa better than Tifa, though I like Tifa alright.Winged Lion 07:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Too much VII and VIII fandom for one page... -Master Conjurer 15:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Tifa has bad taste in men. But it doesn't seem like Squall's anything to write home about either. In fact the only FF girl who actually falls for a decent guy is Celes. RowdyCMoore

And Garnet(even more so)...eventually, after she realized the Awesome he radiates is massive. AnonyMan
I don't know...I thought Rosa had good taste too. JAvatar80
Can't comment on Garnet, since I still know little about IX. But yeah, I'll give you Rosa. Rowdy

Anyone noticed that no one has voted for Tifa because of her boobs? Makes me proud of my fellow FF wikians. Terra_Homing

If we're gonna do FFVII vs FFVIII fights all month, why do we do Squall vs Sephiroth next week. Squallinoa 08 03:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it seems somebody didn't liked the new pictures, even though everybody else did. So it's officially gonna be the VII vs VIII month?Winged Lion 03:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

People, this is getting ridiculous, let's just stick with one set of pictures ok?Winged Lion 03:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I have never seen so many changes in pictures.--BigCubby 15:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed that the Rinoa voters mention Tifa's boobs more than the Tifa voters? I counted 5 references from Tifa's side, and 9 from Rinoa's side. Interesting... --ChiefKakashi 20:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

If there was to be a remake for Final Fantasy VIII, would Rachel Leigh Cook potray Rinoa or would somebody else be better? Cluna 06 03:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that Camilla Belle would make an excellent Rinoa. Rydiaofmist
Tifa copied Rinoa's style in Advent Children... -.- Look at her clothes! can't you see the similarity? - SilverSummonerTaLk 13:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Lol, I'm with you there, that's the first thought that sprung to mind the first time I saw Tifa's redesign. I also saw the need to give Cloud and Vincent their "emblems" (the Fenrir and Cerberus) as coming from Squall's Griever XDWinged Lion 19:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I like that one Tifa voter's comment about Rinoa's being victim of possession by the villain and being comatose at certain events and not having the willpower to stop it. It's not like all that stuff never happened to Cloud--oh, wait. Anony

While, yes, that did happen to Cloud, it did not happen to Tifa, who this fight is about. I mean, Tifa allowed herself to be taken by Don C's men, so she could later threaten to smash in his .... for information. Rinoa never did that...nor would she have the guts for it.JAvatar80
That's right, Rinoa never did threaten to smash anyone's... materias. What Rinoa did, though, was escaping from a life of luxury and elegance (she IS the daugher of an important General of Galbadia) and instead joined a group of Freedom Fighters who where fighting against Galbadia in order to restore liberty to Timber. Now THAT takes guts, especially since we're talking about a 17 year old girl with no real military experience(before replying that she did this only to bug her father, think about it: a teenager would go that far just to piss the old man?). She joined a cause she believed in and fought for it, despite only being 17 years old. Then she joined the fight against the Sorceress, again, having no real experience and being way in over her head, yet she fought corageously.Winged Lion 01:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Sure, Tifa never went through the possesssion and stuff but that's because wasn't important or crucial enough for the villain to use. She also has enough guts to get close to a Major eneny by herself to try and stop her. Anony
According to your logic, Anony, then the only REALLY important characters are Leon(II), Kain(IV), Cloud(VII) and Rinoa, since no one else is "worth" being controlled by the enemy.... But, Winged Lion, I will grant you that Rinoa had guts for what she did do. But, honestly, it's no more gutsy than anyone else enlisting in the military, especially with the war going on. I know alot of people are unhappy with the current war, and think that anyone joining up right now is an idiot, amongst other things. I wouldn't so much call that "guts", as courage and determination to do what they think is right. What I was referring to was the sheer gusto that Tifa has, in comparrison to Rinoa. Tifa went from the pretty popular girl in her and Cloud's town, to this edgey, streetwise tom-boy of a monk, where as, in spite of her courage and strength of heart(I have no fault with Rinoa there), she keeps this demure girl attitude the entire game. Personallity wise, I just prefer the more outspoken brash girls....that's one of the reasons I married the woman I love. ;) Junath
Don't forget that Tifa charged Sephiroth by herself, back when she was real young and didn't have a chance. ChaosEsperVII
Actually, I was trying topoint out how it sounded like it was a comparison of them both like they both did that. And that's more along the case of blind rage than bravery or guts that doesn't count. Vivi did that against BW #3;got really angry, and charged at the enmeny without thinking(Somehow that not the case with Galuf). Point is Rinoa's alot braver than people give her credit for. --AnonyMan
There's a fine line between between bravery and blind rage, just like there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Quistis even told her so. I'm not knocking Rinoa, but some people see something in one person and others will see something completely different. The 7th Chaos Esper is all about perspectives. ChaosEsperVII

This is ending in a tie. I guess it's fitting that neither group of fanboys gets to brag above the other. Ultimately, both of these ladies have their good points and Celes tops them both anyway. (No, I'm not bitter at ALL that she's not in ANY of the queued fights!) RowdyCMoore

Too true, Rowdy. *Rinoa* Angel Wings! *Celes* Runic! *Rinoa* Uh-oh..... *Celes* Atma Weapon Attack! hehehe. *Tifa* Bahumat ZERO! *Celes* Runic!* *Tifa* NAM IT!!!! *Celes* Ultima! *Tifa goes poof!* And I loved Cele's story, and after she was rescued by Locke, I saw her as the true leading lady of the entire game. And, honestly, I thought she was prettier than either Rinoa or Tifa. *nods sagely* Junath
Now there's an agrument that's still not resolved for some odd reason, whether Terra or Celes was VI's Lead. Though it's pretty ovbious Celes isn't even if she is cooler than Terra by a huge gap. Anony
Oh, I'm not trying to say for fact that Celes was the lead, but to me, it seemed she was. When the group was trying to find Setzer, she was the focal point of the plot. During the raid of the Magitek factory, she was a major player. I mean, heck, the entire second half of the game, she was one of four mandatory characters, and Terra was one of the hardest to re-recruit. BUT...this isn't about VI. ;) Back to your other comment, I'm sorry if I seemed like I was saying Rinoa isn't brave, because that's not true. She had guts, determination, andreally was a good character in that story...but something about her personality rubbed me the wrong way is all. She and Tifa were both clingy, but in different ways, and I guess I could relate to Tifa, and appreciate her personality more is all. *shrugs*. Junath

Umm...haven't we done this fight before? Oh wait, that's probably my future sense tingling (coming second from my aching robot nut senses) Chocolancer 02:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Week 101: Buster Sword v. Gunblade[edit source]

47 ½ to 39 ½

Two of the most iconic weapons of all times, Final Fantasy speaking, if you had to take a gun to a knife fight or a knife to a gun fight or a sword to whatever kind of fight is the kind of fight you would or wouldn't want to fight with a sword, which would you bring?

Votes for Buster Sword[edit source]

  1. Kloisien Strife: The Buster sword has a story behind it and also it's much more memorable than the gunblade, it's sitting still in front of midgar so solemn and glorious!!
  2. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I like this sword so much better because SOLDIER is so cool and Squall is not an interesting hero.
  3. ChiefKakashi: Giant kitchen knives FTW.
  4. That sword is so cool the First Tsurugi is modeled after it! Cluna 06 04:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  5. I have to vote for the Buster Sword, cause it was designed as a giant kitchen knife. lost-myth
  6. I like swords that don't massage the enemy. ScatheMote
  7. It's simple and cool. GoGoGo giant kitchen knife omg! Karura
  8. I like my swords how I like everything else in the world- not a giant vibrating dildo. arcanedude34
  9. Rydiaofmist: OMG Cloud is like soooo cool and Squall is teh suck!!!!11!!!1 Just kidding. :) Anyways, I'm going with the Buster Sword because it is such a ridiculously large phallic object and I can't help but think that Cloud (and Zack for that matter) might be overcompensating a little bit by using it. The sword is so unrealistically huge that it looks kinda silly, and for that, I love it.
  10. Zack yeah , Buster Wsord was awesome. SO AWESOME. Plus gunblade is owned by Squall >.<
  11. Because TA's vote made me laugh. 8bit 21:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  12. I may like the gunblade, but I love the Buster Sword. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 21:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  13. Gamer2127
  14. Maybe if you used Seifer's gunblade as an example....but the fact remains that Buster Swords can be used as effective shields because they're so big. Still, they're the worst weapon in their game, so I vote for the Force Stealer. --Crazyswordsman 01:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  15. lol...I haven't voted recently...The Buster Sword looks like a giant butcher knife and I love freakishly huge swords so it gets my vote...Chocolancer 01:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  16. The Gunblade can't shoot, alright? Andthe Buster Sword makes more sense.--User:Super Sephiroth
  17. Chaos54956 04:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC) The sword speaks for itself. It's big, heavy, and sharp. What more could you ask for?
  18. Kareki: Um, Buster Sword. Passed through three awesome characters. And it's gigantic.
  19. Karhunkynsi 08:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  20. Sora G. Strife: It cuts through buildings.
  21. Leon5550 This baby here cuts through buildings, killed 2 1st class SOLDIERS with Godly status, an entire army of Shinra Troopers, and even the Goddess of the Planet herself. Hell, it's pretty much the reason why heroes of nowadays RPGs usually have gigantic swords.
  22. ArableLadle : Gunblade is realy cool weapon but hey Angeal and Zack have used Buster Sword so realy have to go for it :D
  23. GunnerMatt 15:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Story of VII is the sword so it winz by over 9000
  24. --BigCubby 17:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  25. Blackheart1991 01:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  26. It's simpler. I like simple weaopns. -LeoLab 03:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  27. Cloudiroth Good fight. Both weapons are quite awesome but I'm gona take the buster sword. despite it's oversizeness it appeared to be a fairly nimble weapon and the gunblade can't shoot long range. Bring on Omnislash Vs. Renzokuken (or however it's spelt).
  28. ChaosEsperVII: I'm pretty sure that SOME people are not voting for the buster sword simply cuz they hate cloud. I'm also pretty sure that one swing will shatter the gunblade into little pieces. People state the impracticality of using such a sword when they overlook that it is used by superhumans. If you are not superhuman then it is not to be used by you, just like if you don't have the strength of a marine you cannot wield a gatling gun, but that doesn't stop it from being cooler than a pistol. The buster sword will probably cut through anything including diamond because of its sheer weight, which CLoud/Angeal/Zack use to great effect. Also, the sword actually represents ideals and stuff like that. And yes Omnislash= best limit break.
  29. Lockhart: The Gunblade fails from false advertisement. Plus it just looks so much cooler.
  30. Marduk Kurios I like both Weapon Types, but I prefer Buster Swords~
  31. Masamune: I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in my life than when I learned that a weapon with the name "Gunblade" doesn't actually shoot.
  33. FFVII rules but i still like VIII
  34. User:Clvabl Zack
  35. 1stclasswarrior 21:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
  36. MCMLXXXIV 16:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC): The Buster Sword is more original, really, because gunblades exist for a period of time, but never reached popularity because they sucked. Swinging a two by four will always hurt.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. . Definitely one of my favorite weapons! I especially like the redesign with the gold trim!
  2. . I've a dream of this sword!
  3. . Owning a Replica of FT, I gotta go with the buster sword. It actually has a decent lore surrounding it rather than the gunblade.
  4. . Which completely impractical weapons to vote for? I have to go with the Buster Sword simply because you'd just need a shitload of strength to hold it. The Gunblade's handle is at such an akward angle, it's blade should be on the other side, and WTF would that stupid revolver do?
  5. Buster sword ftw! It even has slots to put your materia in! Plus, Cloud's Limit Breaks > Squall's
  6. Buster Sword all the way (side note: it needs to be returned to its former glory!). No other weapon has the history like this sword does.
  7. I take Buster Sword for one reason : it belongs to Zack!

Votes for Gunblade[edit source]

  1. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Buster Sword, and it is indeed an iconic Final Fantasy weapon, but the Gunblade left a far longer-lasting impression on me. I have the PlayArts versions of both swords, and when I have non-FF-literate friends over, they are all much more taken by the Gunblade as well. Gendreavus
  2. Summonerluna: The Buster Sword is nice, but the Gunblade is just plain awesome...Original, hard to master, and it definitely looks way cooler!
  3. Gunblade = kickass SilverSummonerTaLk
  4. Terra_Homing: Gunblade. Everytime.
  5. The Gunblade appeared in MORE games than the Buster Sword. It even appeared in a Final Fantasy VII game! Squallinoa 08 06:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  6. Draga: I know the idea of the Gunblade is stupid, but it just looks so damn cool. Plus, Gilgamesh's one has a chocobo on it. You can't help but love it for that.
  7. Jammi568: Gunblade, because it's actually, you know, unique.
  8. Dark Raven:Both are ridicolous, the first one is way too heavy to carry, the second one has a gun but can't shoot. I'm choosing the one that looks cooler.
  9. Mr_Darkside Got to be the Gunblade
  10. Impratical, but pretty awesome. FF manages to pull together THE dumbest weapon idea ever and make it work. In short: Awesome. --Proto Fan 18:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  11. Khakishro AS I WAS SAYING The Gunblade can be used to have unique techniques while the Buster Sword is just a sword nothing new.
  12. Mr. Rojo: The gunblade of course!!! I just love the gunblades and it's original owner :) Also, a gunblade it's a more original and cool idea than a super-size sword.
  13. The picture has a chocobo on it. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|21:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  14. Pikmin Master: As much as I hate guns as Kefka hates sand in his shoes, I perfer the gunblade over the Buster Sword. I can't just be walking around with a sword my arms can't carry. At least the Gunblade is one-handed. Besides, the Gunblade has elements of a Mario RPG. What else is to lose here?
  15. Clyde Arrowny: Uuuuh... Definitly hard secision for me... I think buster sword is more iconic for the series, but gunblade is much cooler!
  16. Copycatloki :: The Gunblade is shinier.
  17. Renzokuken ftw! - Henryacores^ 00:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  18. Delta Red: The Gunblade is the badassest of all FF weapons. But why the hell they used the Chocobo GB in that pic?
  19. I saw an actual gunblade, fully functional, at a flea market once. I was very, VERY tempted to buy it. - DeadlySlashSword 03:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  20. Sephron: GUNBLADE!!!just love the uniqueness of it..a cross between a sword and gun,definitely a clever idea..
  21. While I don't hate big giantic swords, any hot-headed young buck this side of Balamb can use one. The GunBlade is more special; it's looks cooler, and it can deal Criticals on demand(it also apparently gives godly accuracy). In short it's a badass weapon that actually requires skill and talent to use. Lastly it's an iconic weapon for What is is instead of Who uses it. --AnonyMan 06:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  22. While I have nothing against the Buster Sword, a Gunblade unleashes an explosion when the trigger is pulled! It's just so kickass and original. Besides, Squall is still using it and Cloud's moved on to the First Tsurugi while the Buster Sword is sitting in the outskirts of Midgar. Tear, wear and rust? I know Angeal wouldn't be happy. Oops, ranting, anyway, Gunblade!Winged Lion 08:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  23. Maverick Riot: This is such a hard choice! I'm going to go with the Gunblade though since in reality, many people just love the fact the Buster Sword is an oversized broadsword. That's it's only charm really. The Gunblade however has multiple features that are great, and has been reused and evolved in different forms in different games. The 'Giant Sword' idea wouldn't pull off very well again since everyone would instantly just think "it's a mimic of the Buster Sword."
  24. Sorry, but I don't see the point of using a sword a human being could naturally not wield. Gunblade are more... stylish. And have much more functions. And proof it's better, other gunblade than Squall's appeared in other games. Other huge sword don't. The only other enormous sword you see is the one Marche and Luso have on their artwork, but it doesn't count as it doesn't appear in-game. Alarielle
  25. This was an easier choice than I thought it would be. The Gunblade is an original weapon, that looks incredibly cool! Plus, the Buster Sowrd is just a copy of the Dragon Slayer. Rihya
  26. X-Neuro: It's a sword, with a gun tied to the end of it, what could beat that? LIONHEART!!!! That is all.
  27. MTC: If gunblades existed in the real world, then I would use it to kill all the bad guys!!!
  28. Pluto.: GunBlade for sure! The possibilities are endless.
  29. Netherith: A picture of all the gunblades together would be awesome. Like seeing a full shelving rack of guns it gives me a slight tingle inside. (way to come off creepy)
  30. Adam Mcduck: I don't see what's so special about the Buster Sword. It was a rubbish weapon in-game and all it is to me is a big sword with 2 holes in it - that's it. I liked tyhe gunblades, I thought they were very original.
  31. Imo, a gunblade is more iconic than a giant sword. There are characters outside FF that use giant swords, but none who use gunblades... Billylemmon 15:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
  32. recino Gee, a huge butter-knife or a sword with a freaking revolver on it tough choise (compleat and utter sarcasm)
  33. CrowBites Gunblade of course, it looks unique and is awesome.Besides Angel would not approve of his sword being used, as that could put wear and tear on his sword.
  34. BritBoy Gun + Sword = OMFG awesome
  35. Jeppo: A Gun that's got a blade. Now why didn't I think of that?
  36. I saw Cloud get blown up by Bahamut (YAY) but I also saw Squall shoot that one chic from the spirits within (WOOOOHOOOO)Poliwirl100 13:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
  37. Jakuro: I have to say that the gunblade would win this one. while yes the buster sword is bigger and thus heavier the way the gunblade is designed not only is there extra damage coming from the bullet, but if properly wielded it would also increase the power behind you swing making it faster and stronger.
  38. Kuja Tribal: The gunblade can have extended power on limit breaks, while the buster sword is but an oversized stupid sword.
  39. Vegna Gunner: The gunblade has more variety to it, with shot-slash combos, while all the Buster sword just cuts. Also, even if the gunblade was expensive to make and hard to use, you could still learn eventually, while the only way your going to learn to use a Buster sword is if you have muscles like weight lifters, but hen you'd be too slow to hit any one with it.
  40. Genesis rhapsodos: The gunblade is in the end a more appealing weapon to me. Plus you don't have to worry about "wear, tear, and rust". After all, they apparently know how to fix there weapons in FFVIII, something Shin-Ra never researched I guess.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Dude a combination of a gun and a blade will pawn a plain sword everytime!
  2. I just like the gunblade better, it's kinda cool to think you can cut into someone and then press the trigger and put some shrapnel in them- Musashi
  3. Gunblades rock.
  4. The Buster Sword is cool, i'll never forget the first time I played FFVII with the ex-SOLDIER and his mega-sword... but I've to admit, the Gunblade design/concept is awesome! So...
  5. Both were cool but a gun could be used to finish someone off in style so i vote for the gunblade.
  6. Gunblade...How do you even hold the buster sword properly? I mean it looks REALLY heavy???
  7. I say the Gunblade, at least it's an original weapon where as the Buster Sword is just a big flat piece of scrap metal sharpened on side. It take's more skill to wield the Gunblade better then the Buster Sword.
  8. Although I love both weapons, the Buster Sword is basically a giant sword. The gunblade is a bit more orginal.
  9. Because the gunblade makes an awesome comeback in FFXIII as a fully operational gun and kickass sword!
  10. Gunblade, because it's more original. Buster Sword become iconic just because the developers intended to develop FF VII more than the others. Also 13 slashes of Omnislash is weaker than Renzokuken-Lionheart.
  11. I may hate Squall and love everything about Final Fantasy VII, but I have to admit that the Buster Sword is just a giant sword. The Gunblade, on the other hand, is a really cool idea. And Lightning's gunblade from FFXIII looks KICK-ASS
  12. The Gunblade is simply a superior weapon. I love FFVIII and if it wasn't for that game i would have never fallen in love with this amazing weapon.
  13. Deffinaly the one that can do extra trigger damage. Even though I own both I choose the one from the first FF I played.
  14. Duh if the guy with the buster sword came running at you you could just cap his ass.
  15. Hard choice! but i've seen the buster sword being stepped on so many times during the fight between Kadaj and Cloud, shows that it's not that effective in a battle. Gunblade...slimmer, lighter and way easier to manipulate to fight your battles.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Ironic that I suggested this and cannot vote. I'm not particularly fond of either weapon, though I don't hate them either. Hm...BTW, to all voters - it's Buster Sword vs Gunblade, not Cloud vs Squall, remember that. Drake Clawfang 03:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

When I said "in a Final Fantasy VII game", I meant Dirge of Cerberus! Remember Weiss with da Katana gunblades? Also in Crisis Core, Advent Children, and da new Final Fantasy XIII!Squallinoa 08 06:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Not as long as I keep taking my medication I don't. Drake Clawfang 06:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Huh? I don't understand! Squallinoa 08 06:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait, we allow this kind of fight? I thought that weapon fights and stuff like that weren't allowed. --SCM 06:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Since when? The only fights I recall we don't allow are Kefka vs Sephiroth and game vs game fights. Drake Clawfang 06:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Hence the word thought. --SCM 06:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Says who? Character fights are so boring. Summon and monster fights are alright, but this is interesting, since this is a fight between nonsentinent objects. I'm still waiting for the possible DNC vs Battle Square fight. ~P.M.

Man look at that image of Buster Sword, it's such a whore. PaladinCecil 08:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Buster Sword from Kingdom Hearts looks better. Mr_Darkside 16:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Would you rather have the picture of it all rusted up? BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 21:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Rusty Tonberry knife > (Buster Sword + Gunblade) 8bit 23:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
At least that's the real Buster Sword, why's the Gunblade using the pic of Gilgamesh's fake one? AnonyMan
Master Conjurer: I was thinking the same thing. Whose idea was it to use that pic?

If Buster sword wins its because of FFVII fanboys. And if gunblade wins its because of people who hate FFVII fanboys... So i'm not voting.--Zephyrus11 16:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

What about people who actually don't consider this as a game fight/character fight, and as it is, a weapon fight ? I'm sure some VII fanboys can admit the gunblade rules Alarielle
Not all FF Fans are comprised of "VII Fanboy" and "Anit-VII Fanboy", give a little credit to you VIII haters and you X lovers. Anyway, point is that's not true. --AnonyMan 17:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Don't use Fans as an excuse for which one wins. This is a weapon fight. Not of the games or the characters. There have been other gunblades used in the FF series. And the Buster Sword was was also used other times. Vote for the one you like better. If your not voting because of the fans that's just silly. EmptySky 02:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
This is true, haters and lover fanboys only comprise of a small amount of fans. I'm pretty sure people like most games in the series because pretty much all the games are well made, just some are better liked than others. Although I think VII is the best of the series I will not defend it's faults and I think VIII is one of the better games despite such the depiction it was given. Most of the reason people dislike VII and subsequently Cloud is because of the bastard children of a Compilation (except Crisis Core). It's overdone, overexposed and falls into anime style storytelling, which the series is NOT. Honestly, when I played any of the games I did not think characters can achieve superman feats, even though main character can dice their opponent in a blink for their final limit breaks. Each game in the main series do not need sequels because they ARE good and sequels are mostly created to please fans, which usually have the exact opposite effect. ChaosEsperVII
I wasn't really that serious. I am indeed a FFX fanboy, but I don't hate FF7 or its sequels/prequels. I also don't hate other fanboys or think that everyone is one. Whatever. Sorry if I offended anyone. --Zephyrus11 20:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
But unless if you are reading about this MTC

Although the Gunblade has seen other appearances in things beside FFVIII, most of thhem don't work like Squall's they actually shoot projectiles and don't work anything like his. Why must they try and make sense of the awesome?! --AnonyMan

Master Conjurer: Perhaps Squall's could fire projectiles and he was just too badass to use it that way.

I find it interesting and rather unfortunate that people think that gunblades are original in any way. Weapons combining guns with swords have exist for centuries and have been universally... well... ineffective. They make for generally a poor sword and an even poorer gun. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 23:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the gunblade was never meant to shoot bulets in the first place. All the gun bit does is to create the shockwave when you press R1 to deal extra damage. And it couldn't shoot bullets anyway, because it doesn't have a barrel to shoot the bullet along. Jammi568 00:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
See, the fact that it is a Sword with a Gun handle but does not actually shoot bullets (but instead creates explosions to add to the damage done by the weapon) is in itself very damn original. Everyone just asumed it shot bullets and never thought of any other way it might work. You may claim it's false advertisement or whatever, you still wouldn't have thought about it would you? Besides, if we think this through, Buster Sword is the weakest sword in FFVII, but the Gunblade is not specified, we could be talking Revolver or Lion Heart. And even so, the Revolver can still do high damage with appropiate junction. So do the math, by sheer numbers, the Gunblades are more useful.Winged Lion 06:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Let me shatter your delusions here. If Gunblades are as goddamn effective and badass as you think, then why on The Holy Jesus' name no army on this planet at any time used this weapon at any point in history?!! Let me tell you why! 1st this gun cant shoot, making it no better than a sword. Second if it can shoot, the extremely long barrel will make the shots so slow that you might just as well use it for melee. Then, it'll be so goddamn heavy that not even Hercules and his Spartan descendants can lift it without crapping. Last, and certainly not least, the handle yes, see how curved it is? There is a reason why sword handles are straight, so that the sword's weight is distributed equally to the palm. The fact that the handle's curved like that and with the weight of the Gunblade, the 1st slash will be fast, strong and tear your hand off. But then again, a sword as big as a table is only meant to be decorations, so Buster sword is still no more useful than the Revolver. Hope that clears things up Leon5550
  • sigh* ... alright, let me explain some things here... I, my good sir, was under the impression that I was in a FINAL FANTASY wiki. Final Fantasy in itself is a series of games based mostly on FICTION. So, therefore, I believed any reasonable person who read my comment would assume I was talking about the FINAL FANTASY WORLD (Final Fantasy=Not reality). However, I seem to have somehow failed to make myself clear so, in short: I was talking about the Gunblade concept as it exists in the FICTIONAL world of Final FANTASY. As you may be aware of, FICTIONAL characters such as Squall or Cloud are not affected by the same laws of physics as we are, which explains why Cloud can jump a gazillion miles in the air and why the Gunblade works. At no point in my last comment did I mention "real" Gunblades as opossed to FF Gunblades, I was simply commenting on how the concept of Gunblade as handled in FFVIII was indeed original. Thank you, and I hope we never have to go through this exercise again. For people who are actually trying to make sense according to reality when speaking about Final Fantasy: It's called "suspension of disbelief".Winged Lion 09:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The sad truth is that there are people who thinks crap like these could exists... BTW, dont worry, it's not often I write so much Leon5550
You people put way too much thought into it, pick a picture and vote. Terra_Homing 16:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the idea of a gunblade is not to function as both a sword and a gun but to function as a vibro blade. The ingition of the cartridge in the hangle causes a jolt to pass through the blade. If timed correctly, this jolt can greatly increase the damage inlicted by the blade as it widens the wound caused by the initial stike. This is actually a possible, viable and dangerous weapon, but the sheer amount of money that it would require to research, perfect and make one, along with the near-impossiblilty of being able to get the ignition timing right and the fact that it's a god-dammed melee weapon in a world (this one) where swords are all but obsolete. In theory it would work, but so would a normal sword, and normal swords are cheaper. RedMage



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