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Week 100 Celebration![edit source]

Cactuar v. Tonberry[edit source]

FF8 Cactuar.png
49 to 36

The original monster duel, week 10 of the DNC.

Votes for Cactuar[edit source]

  1. First vote! ^^ Cactuar ruuuuules!! - SilverSummoner
  2. Because the Jumbo Cactuar has a moustache. And that's just plain freaking hilarious. - DeadlySlashSword 07:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. How could one little knife defend a small creature from 1000 NEEDLES?! Squallinoa 08 07:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Cactuar gets my vote. SpiranKnight
  5. MardukKurios I love both of them but Sabontender is the coolest of all! XD
  6. 10000NEEDLES --- beaten! Tzui20 11:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. 1000 needles for the victory! ArableLadle
  8. Tonberries freak me out. Really, one-hit kills… GTFO ! Alarielle
  9. I want a Jumbo Cactuar plushe! Karura
  10. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!! Nearly had a heart attack...both scare the living daylights out of me...but I think that was from me playing for so many years! I have to go for cactaur though...1, I am a blue mage fan hardcore....meaning 1000 needles for the win, 2, the animations are always great for them, and 3, well, I still remember watching ffunlimited and screaming in terror when the horde of cactuar came out of that hole! cactuar has my vote! Demagox
  11. 10,000 Needles!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 20:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  12. I must say that I love both of them, but I just prefer Cactuars than Tonberries. They are the best!!! BlackWindKaze
  13. They're just loads funnier than Tonberries - Lord Eliwood
  14. Cacutars are the cuddliest things in the world despite the needles. :3 --Proto Fan 00:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  15. Mr. Rojo: Cactuars are funnier and have 1000 needles, they are great!
  16. Ooh, tough choice. I'd have to say Cactuar, because they're more comedic. They also come in a mustache-variety! --JohnnyC 02:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  17. Scientific Progress does NOT go "Doink." --Crazyswordsman 03:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  18. This vote was based on the flip of a coin. I like both of these uhhh......"things" and I couldn't decide! -Azul81677 04:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  19. Master Conjurer: "That was a cactus"
  20. Free bird 19:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC): They have speed, and sure-fire 1,000 points of damage every time and some even have as much as 10,000 Needles to put away their competition. Besides, they can run away before the cumbersome Tonbserry makes his first baby step forward, so I'm voting for the speedy cactus.
  21. Lockhart: Can I vote Moogle??
  22. dudutsai: Tonberry walks slow. Cactuar runs in place.
  23. MrAllStar2: 9999 needles kills me all the time
  24. X-Neuro O.O All I can say is, Gil Quest, yup, Gil Quest
  25. Kefexderoth 10000 needles for the win!
  26. Rydiaofmist: Cactuar's are freaking hilarious.
  27. Chaos54956 17:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Cactaur is just better than Tonberry period.
  28. Jammi568: Cactar's are awesome. And anyways, you can't keep a Tonberry as a pet.
  29. I love Cactuar's voice in that fanmade series... forgot what it was called... anyway :) 8bit 01:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  30. Cactuar is so much easier to get as a GF in FFVIII than Tonberry Mr_Darkside
  31. Man, this is tough, but I'll go with the Cactuar. Jeppo
  32. Easiest battle EVER for me, man. Cactuar wins, hands down. 1) Just look at him. No seriously, look at his face. He wins. 2) 1000 Needles kicks ass. 3) One of the funniest moments in Final Fantasy Unlimited (Besides the frog episode - XD) was the Cactuar scenes. LOOOOOL i want one :( User:A-Man968

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Cactuars are just so cute! Also I Always thought 1000 needles was an awsome move ^_^
  2. Cactuars all the way! Karma can't touch 1,000 or even 10,000 Needles!
  3. Cactuars are just plain cool
  4. I <3 cactuars!!! they are sooooo cute!!! and 1000 needles is cool (even more in ff7 crisis core)
  5. . Head, Cactuar. Tail, Tomberry...landed on Head.
  6. Cactuar. If only for the way they fall over when you kill them. hehe
  7. 99999 Needles FTW.
  8. Some asshole wrote over my vote with his or her own. So here is my original vote: In VIII, Tonberries were insanely hard to beat and gave you virtually nothing, while Cactaurs died from one hit of Squall's blade killed and gave 20 AP per pop! Why would I not vote for them.

Votes for Tonberry[edit source]

  1. Doink! Drake Clawfang 06:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. I like tonberries...Oddly enough.--Otherarrow 06:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. The only one of the Multiple DNC bouts I had a hard time deciding on. But I'm going with the thing that goes "DOINK!" in the night. --AnonyMan 06:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Karhunkynsi 11:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Tonberry is coolest thing ever in the whole gameseries! And my friend said that I look like a tonberry (I truly am ugly!)
  5. Tonberries are cool, lawl~ Metus 11:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Nakamura hiro I just don't like how cactuar looks :D
  7. BlueHighwind The Tonberry is far more evil than the Cactuar
  8. Twilight_rain The Cactuar is just a...cactuar. The Tonberry is pure evil.
  9. See Drake Clawfang's reason. ScatheMote
  10. Ditto Drake2 =P
  11. Drake1:When you see this thing in a game, you get scared. Cactuars can be defeated easily if you have the right team. A Tonberry is never easy to defeat. In fact, kit took me over three hours to kill a dozen of these guys in Final Fantasy VIII.
  12. Tex Howdy! 19:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  13. I was playing X-2 yesterday, and it took me about a half-hour to beat him. He deserves this.Xepscern Highwind
  14. Tonberry is just terrifying...DOINK! Terra_Homing
  15. Masamune: A tough choice. This ought to be close.
  16. Leon5550: I prefer slow, painful death.
  17. The hardest choice I had to make in all of the DNC battles so far. Tonberrys win though, because 1) they're evil and 2) they have a more creative way to battle. I mean, how creepy is to fight a guy that just slowly walks towards you, and then kills you in one hit? Rihya
  18. Tonberry is juuuussst cool. yamiza
  19. "Out the maw that stretched before me, I heard a chilling, terrifying sound that had haunted my childhood and slain my most cherished memories. The horror of it filled my heart with anguish, for I knew that no sword may bite on this beast with strength enough to prevent its hateful knife from the slaying after which it lusted. Again and again, that sound filled with the dark cavern that may soon enough become my tomb" DOINK! Faethinverba volant
  20. eh, tonberries kick more ass, few other random battle monsters can make you go "OH SHI-" and hit the flee command like there was no tomorrow FinalFighterA+
  21. Aleria: Tonberry is both terrifying and cute. Catuars are funny and cute... so really, the choice is obvious.
  22. SeKaLoYa: Tonberries look non-threatening at first, but they own anyone who doesn't run after they take that last step forward. You can just Raise/Life/Phoenix Down whoever gets hit by 10,000 Needles.
  23. They weild kitchen knivesUltima The High Seraph 11:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  24. Dark Raven 16:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  25. The waddling feind!--Muchomas35 17:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  26. This was a hard one so I had to use the FF8 reference and the tinberry GF is much cooler Poliwirl100 23:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. AvaGirl: Tonberries are more threatening.
  28. Tonberries are cooler Billylemmon 01:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  29. Me likes the Tonberries moreso Hylesaul 05:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  30. Keiko2113 Course its gonna be these little guys :) they kicked my underleveled ass xD
  31. Well... I'll have to vote for the guys that can kill me in a hit. -LeoLab 20:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  32. If not just for the fact he can stab you with his tiny kitchen knife, that fact doom usually follows. X3 EmptySky 04:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  33. DOINK! --SCM
  34. Sora G. Strife: Stalk-Karma=999=Instant kill.
  35. Heretic Ramza: Tonberries are very mysterious...and is why it scares the heck out of me! In the midst of Behemoths, dragons, and zombies, there's this small hooded fish/lizard thingy WALKING slowly toward you, armed with nothing but a an even smaller knife and a lantern! God knows what it has up its sleeves!!!
  36. luna56 well i think that toberries are better so i vote them
  37. CidTheFirst: Tonberries are generally the more challenging fight.
  38. ChaosEsperVII: Fighting the Tonberry for the first time in FFVII's battle arena was quite frustrating.
  39. Maverick Riot: Both amazing creatures... Tonberry has to win for the sheer unexpected strength when you first meet one. I think most FF players will agree they now see Tonberries as omens of doom.
  40. Cloudiroth: My first ever vote goes to the angel of death with the green fish tail and the Led Zeppelin IV lantern, max points for creativity.
  41. Arcanedude34: I like both, but Tonberries give me a much more satisfied feeling when I brutally slaughter them.
  42. Odinson: Tonberry = One hit kill... Duh!! 1000 Needles doesn't stand a chance...
  43. God this is tough... I love them both, but I have to go with which would actually win. They both have the whole looks-easy-but-can-actually-kill-you thing going on, but nothing compares to Karma. --Zephyrus11 21:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. In the deepest pits of Hell, you'll find Tonberries...
  2. Tomberry is unbeatable, he'll go through the pain and will cut down Pampa, and then he will roast him on his knife.
  3. Tonberrys invented fear in FF
  4. It is pure evil and far harder to beat. Go Tonberrys!
  5. Much harder to beat and therefore you get a much greater sense of satisfaction if you actually do beat one, Tonberrys rock.
  6. TONBERY!!!!!!!!!!! TONBERY WIN!!!!!!!! TONBERY EAT SOUL!!!!
  7. Needles hurt, but Tonberries have the touch of death
  8. Tonberrys are harder to beat.
  9. The monster-in-a-box in WoR's Narshe mines...
  10. Tonberry!
  11. You don't know the pits of hell until you cross blades with a tonberry. Legendary, their strength; mythical, thier enduance. They come from the darkest shadows of the deepest caves and will hunt you until either one of you is dead. Fear, my friend, for they have none.
  12. It's gotta be Tonberrys. They're just so cute, with their little lanterns... and then they knife you to death. Yup. Nothing cuter. :)

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

wow... just wow! the greates DNC battles! but are we supposed to vote in all of these battles? - SilverSummoner

Really great week this time! Terra_Homing

Let's just paraphrase Calvin and Hobbes...*stares at CSM* - DeadlySlashSword 03:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering who would pick that up. --Crazyswordsman 04:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Rydia v. Terra[edit source]

FFIV-Rydia artwork.jpg
42 to 29

Terra V.jpg
Terra V.jpg
Ye olde fashioned lady summoners.

Votes for Rydia[edit source]

  1. Rydia. Easy. She has much more personality so she's not as bland, and a better color scheme. --AnonyMan 06:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. There are plenty of good reasons why I think Rydia is better, it's just that the only reason I can come up with right now is that she has a whip. Rawr. - DeadlySlashSword 07:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. Nakamura hiro This was very hard choice, bet I picked Rydia just because her summons have saved my ass so many times....
  4. Tough choice… But I have to pick the best summoner of all times (Er, I mean, the best classical summoner, I prefer the Aeon system ^^) Alarielle
  5. Rydiaofmist: I wouldn't have chosen this username if Rydia wasn't my favorite FF character of all time.
  6. Twilight_rain Rydia is the real summoner of the two. In VI, every single character can summon creatures. Terra is just half-esper, half-human, nothing more than that.
  7. 3155 This is a tough one, but I think Rydia is better. I think both of these characters are equaly able to win, but FFIV is my favorite.
  8. Drake:Though Terra is on of my favorite VI characters, gotta go with Rydia (WHO IS STILL A CHILD EVEN IF SHE HAS A BODY OF AN ADULT) on this one.
  9. Hard choice here... Rihya
  10. I used to like Terra better, until the DS version reminded me of why I like Rydia so much. --Crazyswordsman 03:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  11. I cannot stand to see my darling lose so badly. Drake Clawfang 04:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  12. Master Conjurer: Visit my page and I think you'll figure it out.
  13. This was the hardest decision I had to make in the history of the DNC. I'm gonna go with Rydia. I think she has more potential than Terra. Squallinoa 08 06:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. 1. Because I generaly like her better 2. Because its a crime that she has less votes than Terra FinalFighterA+
  15. Aleria: I quite like Rydia, despite her overly-sleazy look in IV DS' artwork. However, as it's her original artwork up there, she gets my vote :)
  16. If it was Celes on the other side I'd vote for her, but it's not. so... Whyts away! - Lord Eliwood
  17. Its rydia, c'mon Ultima The High Seraph 11:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  18. Battle of the green hair? Yeah, well, Rydia kept hers, and she rules!Winged Lion 01:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  19. It was a hard choice it came down to which game I preferred Hylesaul 06:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. Keiko2113 Terra simply moans to much -__- "oooh i cant feel love" blah. so my vote goes to Rydia!
  21. dudutsai: what Keiko said.
  22. MrAllStar2: i go with the hottest one in FFIV
  23. Rydia is awesome --SCM
  24. Jammi568: She doesn't have a clone to fight with in the same game she's in.
  25. They're both great characters, but I like Celes more than Terra. 8bit 01:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  26. Best. Summoner. Ever. AtmaCrisis 10:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  27. Cloudiroth: I haven't actually finished IV but I have most definitely played VI through and I found Terra to be largely useless because for the crucial part of the game she isn't there and gets left behind so when she rejoins she's kinda redundant given all the time Celes had to level up in her absence.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Admittedly, I haven't played through all of Final Fantasy VI yet, but I love Rydia!
  2. Never played VI, and I love IV and Rydia.

3.OMG!! That's a harsh one!! They both are great!! Still, I think I prefer Rydia...don't rally know why...That's a harsh vote...

  1. Gonna go with Rydia only 'cause in the world of ruin Terra wasn't as important being fazed out by Celes<3 and Rydia is one of the characters in IV that actually lives through the entire game.....<___<

Votes for Terra[edit source]

  1. what a tough choice... but Terra rules! - SilverSummoner
  2. Marduk KuriosShe got the Voice of Nia Teppelin from the Anime Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and she can became herself an Esper! =D Rydia is cool too I admit but I like Terra a bit more! =D
  3. Karhunkynsi 10:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Quess why... ;)
  4. I love both a lot... but yeah... Terra gets my vote in the end. Metus 11:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. Tzui20 11:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Terra´s just my favorite chara, and i just love exactly this artwork so: Terra!
  6. One of my favourite characters, easy choise. ArableLadle
  7. arg, had to go with Tina...FF6 is still my favorite of all time Demagox
  8. "GO TERRA! GO TERRA! GO TERRA! love, Faethinverba volant "
  9. Well, I like Terra just this much more. ScatheMote
  10. BfD
  11. Cecil the Paladin Ouch, this one is really hard, but Terra wins by just a smidge.
  12. Tex Howdy! 19:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  13. I'm going with the heroine that was worthy enough to have her name changed to mine. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 20:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. Terra_Homing Terra's half esper and she destroyed about fifty imperial soldiers in a row
  15. Leon5550
  16. Mr. Rojo: Altough I love both characters, I will go with Terra. Terra can summon, can usea black magic, but she is a half esper! Plus Terra's clothes are red :)
  17. MTC: I know both of them can cast black magic and summon creatures, but Terra gets my vote.
  18. Tough choice, but Terra can kiss ass in Dissidia with her destructive magic. Cluna 06 02:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  19. You know why. PaladinCecil 04:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. How many times has Rydia been up? Crazy esper girl all the way! -Azul81677 04:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  21. Pinoyzidane Cosmos chose Terra
  22. SeKaLoYa: At least she was chosen for Dissidia.
  23. Dark Raven 16:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  24. Dissidia sways my vote.--Muchomas35 17:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  25. SHES HALF ESPER HOW COULD YOU NOT VOTE FOR A WAR MACHINE IN THAT HOT BODY!!!!! Poliwirl100 23:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  26. Billylemmon 01:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. Lockhart: Terra, by a smidge.
  28. Love her just a bit more. EmptySky 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  29. Kefexderoth: Sorry Rydia, Terra is a half ESPER so she wins!
  30. Sora G. Strife: She's in Dissidia.
  31. luna56 shes the only female lead of all time shes in dissidia as the only female hero she super powerfull and my favorite final fantas girl character so goooo terra
  32. RowdyCMoore Fire and Ice magic, Ultima Weapon AND fights for children? Terra hands down
  33. The only female hero (so far) in Final Fantasy deserves something.- Lost Hero
  34. ChaosEsperVII: Don't run across many good female leads these days...
  35. Mr_Darkside She is awesome being half esper
  36. Axel-of-the-Key 02:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)Terra is pretty cool. Sorry Rydia, but Terra is just a better character. No random aging with a horrid plot device, either.
  37. Arcanedude34: Why is it that the more popular characters are always the underdogs in these DNC fights? I thought everyone had a irrational love of Rydia? Ah, well. I vote Terra strictly based on the game she's in, since both characters seem rather vanilla to me.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Terra Rules!!!!!!!!
  2. Couldn't decide, so I flipped a coin. Terra won.
  3. I prefer Rydia but all in all Terra is so strong... Morphing + Ultima = poor pretty Rydia, knocked down.
  4. Summoners are very common in FF. But a half-human/half-summon isn't. Go Terra!
  5. She pretty much pwns :D
  6. Terra is da best. Her magic is way too strong and her story is great as well. I gotta vote vor her.
  7. Well I always really liked Terra, so she gets my vote.
  8. Summon, magic, AND swords beat all.
  9. Props to Uemastu, Terra's theme is so much better than Rydia's
  10. I've never played FFVI, but I have played FFIV and I hate it and Rydia. You could say I'm not really voting for Terra, but against Rydia.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Arg, can't choose! Must wait and see how this goes before I vote. Drake Clawfang 06:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Me either, Drake. Me either... Cluna 06 06:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
This is so hard! Squallinoa 08 07:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't choose =/ Karura
OMGTERRAISONTHEDNC Faethinverba volant
Finally, one where it isn't a no-brainer.Xepscern Highwind
I think Terra has more votes than Rydia. MTC

Looking at Blue's comment, I agree, the Amano art is quite unflattering. I'd change the images, but that'd likely throw TA into one of his fits. Drake Clawfang 19:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not bad, actually pretty good. It's more Majestic looking than like the DS Remake Design. --AnonyMan 23:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I have solved the problem of DNC infighting with templates dncwarn, dncwarn2, and dncban so you do whatever you feel like doing Drake. "Roll the dice and take your chances." T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
THANK YOU. - DeadlySlashSword 07:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Garnet v. Yuna[edit source]

Garnet Til Alexandros XVII character.jpg
45½ to 41

Garnet Til Alexandros XVII character.jpg
FFX HD Yuna Render.png
A rather random battle between female protagonists...

Votes for Garnet[edit source]

  1. Garnet kicks ass. Drake Clawfang 06:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Garnet is So terrible. Luckily, Zidane is so great that he picks up her slack. Yuna is minutely better but she has...Tidus. --AnonyMan 06:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yea right! I ain't voting for that cheap SLUT! Garnet rules all summoners (except for Rydia)! Squallinoa 08 07:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Karhunkynsi 10:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Both of them are annoying crybabies, but Garnet is hot and cute.
  5. Err... yeah, she's fun in my opinion, lol. Metus 11:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Beat Yuna!!! i know u can do it! she sings that song just so beautiful!! Tzui20 11:30, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. No way i let that cheap summoner win. ArableLadle
  8. After her beloved mother, kingdom and people died and still manage to stay strong and protect the world is good enough reason for me.Rockmanmegaman 11:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. I like Garnet and I hate Yuna. Easy one Karura
  10. Kick her rear, Garnet, and DON'T APOLOGISE about it. Faethinverba volant
  11. I voted Garnet last time, today's no different. ScatheMote
  12. Yuna was annoying, pointless, and countless other words that bash her. BfD
  13. Yuna's pathetic. Terra_Homing
  14. Nothing against Yuna, I just like Garnet better. Rihya
  15. Mr. Rojo: Garnet of course! She is a more interesant and strong character. Although I like a lot more the aeon system, I prefer Garnet as a summoner.
  16. Eh, first Yuna was shy and quiet - quite boring to me - and then she became a hyperactive annoyance. --JohnnyC 02:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  17. Let's see....a stereotype with a bad voice actor, or a decent character that actually has one of the best theme songs in any game, ever? --Crazyswordsman 03:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  18. Because five summons just aren't enough. Vito
  19. Pinoyzidane Garnet gets my vote only because she's the girl of my favorite character.
  20. Once she cuts her hair off, she just looks awesome. Go Garnet! - Lord Eliwood
  21. Dark Raven 16:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  22. I prefer Garnet simply because she is stronger and has a better character, insofar as she is strong willed and determined and unlike yuna, she wants to feel useful by fighting too and she doesn't stay on the background. She has better summons and is pretty balanced in physical stats while being a mage. She is definitely more beautiful and sexier in her jumpsuit than yuna and her square clothes. Badag
  23. For bieng in IX--Muchomas35 17:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  24. Sorry Bluehighwind but I have to dissagree with you on this one. GARNETS MOTHER WAS A HOMICIDAL B**** HOW COULD GARNET REFUSE THAT POWER!!! Garnet must have a truly evil mind to resist all that power. Poliwirl100 23:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  25. Billylemmon 01:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  26. Because Garnet didn't become a cheap skank in a terrible sequel Hylesaul 06:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. Hyacynth They're both great characters, but I like IX more than X, classic summons more than the Spiran ones, and Melodies of Life far far far far far far far more than Suteki da Ne. Also she's not completely useless in physical combat if you give her a racket.
  28. Free bird 19:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC): No contest, Garnet/Dagger gets my vote hands down. She was deep and sentimental and made a great connection with Zidane, also a very deep character. Yuna wasn't all that bad in FFX, but she lost my interest in FFX-2.
  29. -LeoLab 20:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC) I hated Yuna in X-2.
  30. Mainly for my despise of everyone in FFX except Auron and Jecht --SCM
  31. User:luna56 it has to be garnet because i find yuna exsteamly anoying in final fantasy 10-2 and shes cool
  32. Wow, this one is actually close. Like I opined before, Garnet radiated grace, solace, and I always liked her pose in the image used in this fight, because she's praying. 8bit 01:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  33. Maverick Riot: I love both characters so much... but in all honesty there's just something I liked about Garnet that was different. Except when she cut her hair off. Hmm. Maybe I should change votes now...?
  34. Khakishro I don't approve of bashing Yuna and I liked X-2 international. However theres nothing better looking then Garnets Trance.
  35. Cloudiroth: Both these characters sorta suck but Garnet wasn't plagued by horrible voice acting.
  36. Bluesilver Garnet for not selling out and becoming a botched Rikku clone.
  37. Easy choice. Dagger hands down. Jeppo
  38. Arcanedude34: NOT why I voted for her, but Garnet's closer to my age, so I'd have more of a chance with her. : 3
  39. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - The anti-Yuna vote.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Garnet has Zidane. Yuna has Tidus. Garnet wins.
  2. Yuna pisses me off, I think it could be a tie, but to me the princess wins.
  3. No one but her can pull off a orange jumpsuit, I think that deserves a vote
  4. She has a lot more dignity about her and a better game :)
  5. Random? They are both Summoners. Either way, Garnet is my fave between the two of them.
  6. I like both of em, but have always been a Dagger/Garnet fan, she looks better, is a better character, doesn't exactly dress better, she has better summons overall & she has Zidane. & plus Trance Garnet basically owns Overdrive Yuna.
  7. Garnet has always been my favorite character of the whole serie, that's why i vote for her. Moreover she is way more beautiful,and more powerful. She doesn't stay behind when someone asks her(the event with the sleeping drug),she is strong willed but yet very caring. And i like better her way of summoning. To end this yuna is REALLY a square with her clothes,whereas dagger is so sexy in her jumpsuit!
  8. Garnet is superior in every way.
  9. DAGGER is royalty, royalty always pwns
  10. Asking me if I prefer Garnet to another female figure is like asking me if I prefer Zidane to another hero : OF COURSE, I DO!!!
  11. garnet would kick yuna's ass
  12. Is this is a question? Yuna wouldn't stand a chance! Also Dagger's Bahumut pwns Yuna's design wise, Dagger's is actually horrifically awesome
  13. Garnet actually has a personality yo, unlike Yuna's blandness.>___> And IX was actally good, unlike X which had Tidus...-___- So yeah that's why my sweet princess gets my vote.

Votes for Yuna[edit source]

  1. Yay! I get first vote! Whether be a humble summoner or a badass gunslinger, Yuna will always remain one of the most spirited young women in the Final Fantasy history, as well as one of the most beautiful. (Well, in my book, anyway.) Cluna 06 06:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Yuna is just better. Mostly because of what she wears. - SilverSummoner
  3. I'm willing to look past the debacle that was X-2 and judge Yuna solely on FFX. With that being said, her personality (or a greater lack thereof) is what gave Yuna her charm. I can't say I felt the same about Garnet. - DeadlySlashSword 07:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. While X-2 tarnished her, Yuna is still from my favourite of the FF series. That, and I never really liked Garnet all that much... SpiranKnight
  5. Marduk KuriosYuna is too cute! YunaaaaaaaaaaMardukKurios <3
  6. Nakamura hiro WHY DO YOU MAKE ME CHOOSE BETWEEN MY FAVORITE FF CHARS ?? :D It's just - Yuna was so emotional, I can't let her lose ^_^
  7. BlueHighwind I remember this fight!
  8. Best FF hero for me. And X-2 did not ruined her ; those who say that haven't understood the game. Alarielle
  9. Rydiaofmist: I thought Yuna was a more interesting character and I liked her summons more than Garnet's.
  10. Twilight_rain I haven't played IX, but I really like Yuna and the summoning system in X, that's why she gets my vote.
  11. IX wasn't one of my favorites, but that doesn't hold any sway in my voting here...I did like all the characters from IX, but Yuna is one of my favorite characters! I just really like the character. Plus not only does she have the best summoning system in my book, but the character is nothing if not tenacious and wonderful! Demagox
  12. Tex Howdy! 19:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  13. Yuna is awesome!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 20:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. How can I not vote for her? -Azul81677 04:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  15. Master Conjurer: Voting for my first. A bit biased, I know.
  16. Aleria: As long as I ignore X-2, I can vote for Yuna in good conscience..
  17. Fonzyboi: i'm still trying my best to ignore x-2. so Ms. iron will gets my vote
  18. SeKaLoYa: I haven't played IX or any of the main series before VII (the Amano Age), so I'll go with Yuna.
  19. Ultima The High Seraph 11:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. AvaGirl: I prefer X-2 Yuna to X Yuna, actually... but... yeah, Yuna owns.
  21. A very controversial lady, to be sure... but.. c'mon Garnet, orange? Lol, just kidding, I just think Yuna is way better as a summoner. Winged Lion 01:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  22. Summonerluna: Yuna has been my favorite FF character since the first time I played X, so of course I must vote for her! She's considerate, selfless, kind, and remained so in the face of losing almost everything she held dear. It takes someone pretty special to save a world who's come to hate you, right? Go Yuna!
  23. keiko2113 i agree with an earlier vote, so long as i can ignore x-2 i vote Yuna ^^ i love X, one of my favourite games of all time.
  24. Lockhart: I really like Garnet, but Yuna is the heart and soul of X, and maybe Final Fantasy.
  25. dudutsai: Kinda hated both of them. One of them calls herself Dagger, and the other one turns into a.... well disregarding FFX-2 I hate Yuna less.
  26. MrAllStar2: holy does ovr 9999 damage all the time, and with 1 MPcosts, shes unstoppable
  27. Kefexderoth: Hated FF9! Yuna wins by default.
  28. Ok I liked the songs from X-2.Chaos54956 17:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  29. Jammi568: She's not wearing a latex jumpsuit. And she's natually hot, without all the scantiness that Enix added.
  30. Heretic Ramza: Dagger is hotter, but Yuna's summons are much cooler. She wins my vote alone with "The Shiva Snap" and the fact that she can wield a gun (sexy)
  31. RowdyCMoore This vote is not at ALL because Real Emotion gets stuck in your head forever...
  32. CidTheFirst: Yuna clinches it because of the period in FFIX when Garnet is mute and can't cast anything. Tough choice though.
  33. ChaosEsperVII: She's one of the reasons FFX is up there in my favorites of the series.
  34. Mr_Darkside Her Aeons are so much better the Garnets
  35. Odinson Yuna would trash Garnet... No contest...
  36. Yuna is certainly better. Besides the fact that she could kick the crap out of Garnet in a contest of aeons, Yuna is actually a multidimensional character and is way cooler. --Zephyrus11 21:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I never really did like Garnet. Also Yuna has better summons than Garnet and I think she has a bit more personality. Also FFX-2 Didn't ruin her! It just showed her in a new way and people didn't like that! I liked her in both games.
  2. Yuna is easily the better of the two, even including X-2 Yuna.
  3. Better summons, better white magic and about 3 feet taller.
  4. Yuna has better white magic
  5. Yuna = win
  6. Yuna's just better all around
  7. Yuna can summon Anima alone to beat all of Garnet's summons
  8. Yojimbo summon = Boss instant death = Yuna Win.
  9. Yuna summon Magus Sisters = 1337 Win. ^_^ And she survived two games for a reason...
  10. GO Yuna

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Yeah, I can't decide on this one. If it was X-2 Yuna, it'd be a diffrrent story, but I see her original picture up there so I can't vote. -- Drake1

  1. X-Neuro: I just want them both to lose <:D

This fights getting tense, so close! Terra_Homing

Leon v. Cecil[edit source]

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Cecil Dknight.jpg
Cecil Dknight.jpg
It would have been Tidus versus Zidane; however, I think that's been done like 3 times, so this is from Week 2 when none of you were here.

Votes for Leon[edit source]

  1. Hey, I liked Leon. Might be the only one, but hey.--Otherarrow 06:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Premonition pity vote. Leon will be crushed. - DeadlySlashSword 07:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. The Emperor's Black Knight, Leon gets my vote. You weren't the only one, Otherarrow *also points above him* Metus 11:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Leon, he is just so awesome! Demagox
  5. Leon wasn't that good, but he doesn't deserve the crushing he's about to receive. Faethinverba volant
  6. Leon5550 Only thy awesome shalth be naemth "Leon"
  8. Eowynjedi First Dark Knight in the series. He was at least somewhat responsible for his own actions, instead of just the "lulz possession I r not responsible" of later not-villains. I like FF2. And I can't take Cecil seriously after the DS version. "WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!"
  9. CAUS I HATE IV--Muchomas35 17:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  10. Free bird 19:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC): Pity vote, 'cuz it doesn't look like Leon has a prayer in winning this one.
  11. The dark knight before it was cool. --SCM
  12. Khakishro Man I can believe someone dared to put Leon in this!! Leon is my favorite character in FF II!! But seriously...We all know hes not going to win! Either way im voting for him.
  13. Cloudiroth: Haven't finished either of these FFs but Leon sounds like such a badass and Cecil looks like a pussy as a paladin.
  14. Arcanedude34: Because we don't have to listen to him whine for most of the game.
  15. YuanSaluto!Acta 01:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Leon has the power and the magic, how Cecil could win?
  2. Cecil is a pussy. Leon would kill his own family if he wanted to.

3. I'll be quite honest : I've never been a huge Cecil fan...He's interesting for, well, the first 4 hours of the game. After that...

Votes for Cecil[edit source]

  1. DK Cecil is badass. Drake Clawfang 06:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Cecil wasn't MIA for 98% of his game. Plus, he's cooler.(Leon's not bad though) --AnonyMan 06:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. Cecil's better! Plus, I've never played FFII. Cluna 06 06:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. CECIL RULES! LEON, umm... Who's Leon? Squallinoa 08 07:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. Karhunkynsi 10:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Indeed. Who is Leon!?!?
  6. Hexed: Because Cecil has saved my ass numerous times.
  7. Leon is just a traitor, Cecil fights the traitors :) Tzui20 11:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  8. Nakamura hiro Cecil ROCKS ! :D (Just like FF4)
  9. BlueHighwind Everything beats FFII.
  10. Cecil vs who ? No just kidding, but he's my favourite male hero after Squall. Alarielle
  11. Karura Cecil stole my heart. He has a lot of good things.
  12. 3155 I like FFII, but FF IV is my favorite game, and Cecil is my third favorite video game character ever. Leon was cool, but not cool enough.
  13. No II. ScatheMote
  14. BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|17:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  15. Cecil the Paladin You have got to be kidding me.
  16. Drake1:I love Final Fantasy II, but I love Final Fantasy IV and it's characters a lot more.
  17. Tex Howdy! 19:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  18. I've actually played as Cecil. He was my first hero. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 20:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  19. This is how Cecil should be like for the whole game. The best Dark Knight out there. Rihya
  20. MTC I wonder why there are so many people who didn't know anything about FFII...
  21. Mr. Rojo: Cecil is just awesome! He is badass as a black knight and then he becomes a paladin, even greater!
  22. Leon didn't have a huge role. (Well, he did, but I didn't really count to me, since his identity wasn't known for the majority of the game.) --JohnnyC 02:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  23. Crazyswordsman: I did this fight during Roman times.
  24. Not just a Dark Knight in name. Vito
  25. Is this really a fair match? -Azul81677 04:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  26. Aleria
  27. Ultima The High Seraph 11:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  28. Dark Raven 16:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  29. God played FF2 and said that Leon sucked and therefore he did Poliwirl100 23:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  30. *Yawn* -_o Winged Lion 01:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  31. This is a joke, right? Hylesaul 06:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  32. dudutsai: Wouldn't Leon vs. Kain be more appropriate?
  33. MrAllStar2: cecil is THE Dark Knight
  34. EmptySky 04:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  35. Kefexderoth: Cecil = Awesomes!
  36. Sora G. Strife: Nothing beats the original Paladin, though the previous was a Dark Knight.
  37. --Maverick King 12:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  38. Rydiaofmist: I barely remember Leon.
  39. Heretic Ramza: This is more like a hate vote against Leon. Of all the FF heroes, Leon, I hold the least amount of respect for. He turns on his childhood friends (especially his sister), works for the very man who killed his parents, and toments them for the majority of the game! To make matters worse, he only joins your party because he's pissed The Emporer came back and reclaimed his throan! At least Golbez had the excuse of being mind controled!
  40. luna56 i agree with heritic ramza and cecil is soooo cool he has two of the best jobs ever
  41. RowdyCMoore Maybe the best male character ever
  42. The fact that it's the only Final Fantasy I now own is all Cecil has going for him. And... a nice voice actor. - Lost Hero
  43. He's in Dissidia =D AtmaCrisis
  44. CHaosEsperVII: Cuz he's cooler.
  45. Axel-of-the-Key 02:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)Cecil is awesome, whether a Dark Knight or Paladin. Sorry Leon, but Cecil is just the shiz.
  46. Bluesilver: Leon is on par with the Shakespearian Transvestite for a number of reasons. Reading most of Heretic Ramza vote should explain. HATE VOTE

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Cecil may be a personalityless zombie, but at least he has a good story going for him.
  2. I prefer Cecil as a paladin, but Dark Knights are awesome too.
  3. you got to be kidding.
  4. One of my favorite FFIV characters
  5. Never played II, and I love IV.
  6. I thought this was OBVIOUS! ;D

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I just wonder why you put an almost unknown Dark Knight from a forgotten game agaisnt one of the most famous dark knight. Alarielle

Because this was the week two fight. ScatheMote
Still, I wonder why it had to be one of the first week's fight. Alarielle
Because I am your lord and master, and you shall obey. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Odin v. Bahamut[edit source]

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The original summon battle! I know, you would think it was Ifrit and Shiva, but that's just how long you've been here. Enjoy the chaos.

Votes for Odin[edit source]

  1. Bahamut's wack at least Odin has a 6-legged horse. So what if he's all talk no walk since he doesn't work on bosses. And one time he tried to he got bisected faster than he appeared. --AnonyMan 06:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. SilverSummoner Bahamut is cool, but Odin is just cooler
  3. For me personally, Odin has been way more useful. - DeadlySlashSword 07:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Karhunkynsi 10:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC) As a heathen/asatru I´m forced to vote Odin! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODIN!!!
  5. Odin´s just more a human and dragons are out...Tzui20 11:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Nakamura hiro Well, his deathly hit was soooo helpful in FF9 ! :))
  7. my vote goes for Odin, not only one of my favorite summons, but one of my favorite mythological figures.....maybe he would win if I had some tears from a statue....hmm, now where is that statue....Demagox
  8. One word. Zantetsuken. Faethinverba volant
  9. He has a six footed pony. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|17:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  10. Terra_Homing He levels Cleyra and doesn't even look back...
  11. Leon5550 This guy leveled a city/state all alone, and he spawned Raiden, whether you like it or not.
  12. And this one was done during the Bronze Age. --Crazyswordsman 03:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  13. Odin. Vito
  14. Pinoyzidane Bahamut leaves a tiny scar on Kuja... Odin destroyed Cleyra...
  15. Caus he's norse.--Muchomas35 17:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  16. What else is cooler than a character based on norse mythology? Zantetzuken!Winged Lion 01:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  17. There is no cooler summon than Odin. A few others come close, but close doesn't cut it. ;) -- 00:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  18. His Crisis Core FMV really did it for me... that and the instant kill bits. AtmaCrisis
  19. He probably won't win, but Odin's sequences are one of the best to look at. Jeppo
  20. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Odin could easily impale any dragon on Gungnir, even the Dragon's Lord, and then Zantetsuken.
  2. For somehow beating Genesis' monster form in one shot before Zack could even attempt to defeat him in my copy of Crisis Core. Go ODIN!
  3. Die by the blade of the norse gods!!!

Votes for Bahamut[edit source]

  1. Love live the Dragon King! Drake Clawfang 06:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Dragons rule! Enough said. Cluna 06 06:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. I like dragons, I like cool looking summons, I like Bahamut.--Otherarrow 07:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. ALL HAIL BAHAMUT! Squallinoa 08 07:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. Bahaumut is the King of Summons. What do you expect? Besides... I never found Odin too useful.SpiranKnight
  6. bahamut kicks assUltima The High Seraph 09:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. Marduk KuriosBahamuts Attack can't "Miss" and is mostly stronger than the Sword of Odin! These are mean VS thingies in this Coliseum! XD
  8. I like dragons, and the Bahamut in 18-bit was funny. Metus 11:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. In FF VIII Odin always took my fights -_- ArableLadle
  10. BlueHighwind Yo.
  11. Just because. Alarielle
  12. Rydiaofmist: Bahamut's attacks generally did a wicked amount of damage, and besides, Odin's tendency to miss got on my nerves.
  13. Karura I love dragons so...
  14. Twilight_rain Actually, I don't like anyone of them that much, but dragons are far cooler than old Scandinavian gods....
  15. No reason necessary. ScatheMote
  16. Drake1:Have you seen my talk bubble?
  17. Tex Howdy! 19:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  18. Gotta go with the one that spawned Bahamut SIN. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 20:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  19. Masamune:I smell a blowout...
  20. He's a dragon, therefore he wins. Rihya
  21. MTC
  22. Odin wasn't always reliable enough. --JohnnyC 02:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  23. Mr. Rojo
  24. Master Conjurer: Do you have any idea what happens when you vote against a god-king?
  25. SeKaLoYa: While Odin does kill everything with one hit, that's about it. Bahamut has all the good stuff: power, design, dragon-ness, and an attack name that's in English!
  26. Mr_Darkside Even though they made way 2 many Bahamut's in FFVII series Odin isnt my favourite 1 hit OK summon anymore...Gilgamesh is so I've gotta go with Bahamut
  27. Dark Raven 16:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  28. NeoBahamut It's pretty obvios....
  29. Bahamut has been in ALL of the FFs Poliwirl100 23:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
  30. AvaGirl!: Odin's pretty freaking cool, but c'mon... Bahamut is the best.
  31. Odin's pretty handy but Bahamut is actually useful in boss battles Hylesaul 06:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  32. Free bird 19:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC): It's been said countless times already, but I'll say it again regardless; Bahamut is the King of the Dragons and nothing more needs to be said!
  33. Keiko2113 No contest...Bahamut FTW.
  34. Lockhart: Bahamut is the king of the summons.
  35. dudutsai: Odin will lose to almost any summon in my mind. He's got this nice ability to cut stuff in half, but everything worth summoning him for is immune to being cut in half.
  36. MrAllStar2 hes the lord of all dragons, nuff said
  37. Though I love both of them I like Bahamut's attacks more! EmptySky 04:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  38. Kefexderoth: Love Odin... but Bahamut is cooler lookin'
  39. Odin is a low % chance of death. Bahamut's killing factor is nearly 90%. --SCM
  40. Sora G. Strife: He had the prestige of getting whooped by Kain Highwind, and Cloud Strife. Odin was never killed. Cagnazzo did it.
  41. --Maverick King 12:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  42. Just look at him. Chaos54956 17:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  43. Heretic Ramza: Bahamut hands down! Odin (for the exception of FFVI and VII) does no damage against bosses or enemies immune to one hit kills versus Bahamut who is usually always one of the strongest summons in the game. Plus, Bahamuts attack sequence is always better!
  44. luna56 gooooo bahamut my second favorite next to the leviathen
  45. Leviathan would have done better than Odin, IMO. 8bit 01:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
  46. X-Neuro: In the short term, Zantetsuken, in the long term, MEGA-FLARE!!!
  47. CidTheFirst: Bahamut is the best summon ever.
  48. ChaosEsperVII: Because he's the King of Everything.
  49. Maverick Riot: It's got to be Bahamut. He's far more iconic.
  50. Khakishro: dudutsai makes a great point. I mean its not even bosses that Im talking about. The final regular enemies of the game are usually immune to Odin's attacks making him worthless in the final dungeons. Bahamut is all purpose. They fixed Odin's special in Crisis Core making it his own effect, but this cant save him from losing this fight.
  51. Cloudiroth: Odin was awesome in VIII but other than that he is completely unreliable and useless against any enemy one might bother to use a summon on anyway. Bahamut has always been a useful summon, especially in VII and my ultra agile X version. All hail the dragon king.
  52. Bluesilver. Odin had his occasional uses (made the pig fight in FFV even easier, a few times in FF8) but he has never been brilliant for me. Bahamut is, on the other hand, worthy of worship. Bahamut also looks a lot better than odin; especially in games like FF9
  53. Arcanedude34: IX made these summons for me. But I vote Bahamut for being reliable

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Bahamut is just plain cool. In all the games he has been in he has been cool. Just on that reason alone my vote goes to him. Also i didn't like Odin In Revenant Wings because he only has one move that wasn't that powerful.
  3. I'm more scared of dragons, so Bahumut wins
  4. Bahamut is awesome, especially Bahamut ZERO!!!
  5. Bahamut is the king of all dragons! And Odin was OWNED by the pussy Seifer! Nuff said.
  6. Bahamut is so cool that he has got an own game, see BAHAMUT LAGOON.
  7. Bahamut is not my favorite but he has appeard in more games then odin has.
  8. Let's see we have the king of dragons who works on anything for great damage a vs. a summon who only works sometimes and only agoinst normal enemies. Tough choice.
  9. . C'mon!! The King of Dragon!! One of the most powerful creatures in the entire serie!!
  10. It takes Seifer to defeat Odin. It takes Alexander to defeat Bahamut. Er...
  11. Odin's cool, but Bahamut's better (and he comes in like 32 forms)
  12. DWAGONS!!!!! I think there's a reason he's in so many FF games...

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Well, there goes the contest. - Lost Hero

Why does every fight say "undecided"? - Odinson

It only says 'undecided' when the fight has not ended yet, so you would then have to wait until the Colosseum-fight ended (and the next started). Metus

Week 99: Paine v. Squall[edit source]

FFX-2 HD Paine Render.png
46½ to 20½

Squall Leonhart CG Render.png
Squall Leonhart CG Render.png
Somehow this got overlooked, I believe, and its too bad, because this really writes itself. Just putting them next to each other, you have to admit the resemblance. The main difference is how much time you spend, in each respective game, engrossed in their emo-ness.

Votes for Paine[edit source]

  1. FIST VOTE!!! YES FINALLY! anyways, paine rocks your socks. Ultima The High Seraph 14:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Paine's going to get beaten, but oh well. --JZ
  3. Draga: X-2 is one of my favourite FF's and I think that Paine has more personality than Squall. She's easier on the eyes too. ^_^
  4. Since I know that Squall will win and I like both characters, I vote for Paine. Even though she hates me... Then again Squall also hates me. They both hate me. They hate everything come to think of it. --WeaselToDaMax
  5. I kinda like both characters, but Paine's battle quotes rock! "You. It's what's for dinner!" Cluna 06 20:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Paine is totally better. She has awesome quotes and always has this calmness about her. I like Squall, but Paine is certainly cooler.--Zephyrus11 00:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. BlueHighwind: I hate this fight, and am increasingly hating the DNC. I hate both of these characters too. But one thing I do like is voting for somebody else over Squall. Same character, but the one with boobs beats the one with a penis (or maybe he doesn't, since its Squall we're talking about here).
  8. Paine was the only good character in X-2. -LeoLab 16:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. MardukKuriosPaine is cool and Squall is emo... Squall is cool in his way but he is too negative in my opinion , but his Lionheart Gunblade kicks @ss against the Gothic-Sword XD Anyway - PAINE! XD
  10. Squall never had much depth. Paine at least has a personality. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|01:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
  11. Squall vs Female Squall...hmmmm, my vote definetly has to go to paine...I like them both, don't get me wrong. But 1:Paine has better lines, 2:she is a she, and I enjoy playing female characters more, 3:ignore that last one, that didn't need to be said, 4:all around, I think that paine had the better set up in game play, personality, and look. Squall has the whole old school biker look sure....but seriously, paine can pull off the leather pants so much better :P. well, that is my vote. Demagox
  12. Both are the new characters from hated Final Fantasy games(not by me). I guess Paine, because, unlike Squall, she isn't blamed for it being hated. Xepscern Highwind
  13. RowdyCMoore Paine isn't emo or goth. She's Paine. She's her own person and doesn't give a damn if you don't like it. Maybe that's why I like her.
  14. Granted Squall has my support but Paine also has it. Since she is the one losing she is the one I'll vote for. When FFXIII comes out I am anticipating a Cloud vs Lightning fight.Netherith
  15. Rydiaofmist: If Paine had been in another FF game, she probably would have stood a chance at winning here. Ah well, I still like her.
  16. Copycatloki :: I like Paine more than Squall.
  17. Sinh: They have similar personalities but... Paine is girl.
  18. Lockhart: This isn't a vote for Paine as much as a vote against Squall.
  19. I don't get it. Alot of people hate Squall and think Paine is the best character of X-2. I guess it's the X-2 curse. Is she wasn't in X-2, I'm sure she'd be winning..... (side note: 1st time I'm voting here in 5 months!) -Azul81677 23:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. ...stronger lead, even if Squall has better boobs. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Squall Is Obviously Going To Win But I Will Vote For Paine Anyway Because She Has Some Of The Best Lines In FFX-2 And Is Genrally Quite Cool ^_^

Votes for Squall[edit source]

  1. As the ultimate Squall fangirl here, I deserve the first spot. SilverSummoner
  2. Jeppo: The game itself may have been horrible, but at least the characters themselves were good, especially Squall.
  3. --Maverick King 15:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Terra_Homing: Are you joking? Paine doesn't even deserve to be aknowledged as a real character....
  5. Karura: I'm with Terra_Homing... Paine vs. Squall? What type of joke is this?
  6. I know who he is, and Squall is not as emo as everyone says, I find him tolerable. Drake Clawfang 16:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. You gotta be kidding me... shall I say Lion Heart? And please, we all know the emo king of FF's is Cloud, guys.Winged Lion 17:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  8. Squall by a landslide. SpiranKnight
  9. Squall is the emo king of all time just look at him.Chaos54956 18:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  10. Lion Heart FTW. 'Nuff said. --Tex Howdy! 19:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  11. X2 sucks. Billylemmon
  12. Mr. Rojo: Of course Squall! He is my favorite male character. And Lion Heart, awesome! :D
  13. Seriously? Comparing Squall to ANYTHING from X-2? That's just embarrassing. --JohnnyC 02:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. Free bird 05:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC): I thought Squall was an overall decent character. Granted he was kinda' terrible at the beginning but after he came out of his shell,he actually grew into a pretty deep, passionate character who has flaws just like everybody else in the world.
  15. Squall doesn't deserve to be called emo...'cause he isn't emo enough! - DeadlySlashSword 05:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  16. As stated before, "emo" gets thrown around alot. It cetrainly not describing Squall. Anyway, comparing the likes of Paine to him is more than an insult. --AnonyMan 07:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  17. MrAllStar2 squall cant be touched
  18. Squall looks pretty kickass in Dissidia, so imma have to go for him on this one. AtmaCrisis 08:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  19. He uses Gunblades. End of Story.BaHaMuT 08:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. Karhunkynsi 09:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Paine just sucks...
  21. Paine is squall with a sex change....Blackheart1991 12:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  22. AvaGirl: I don't really like Paine... and Squall's pretty decent.
  23. Tzui20: Of course Squall... what else`?
  24. This isn't even a if I need a reason to vote for squall.Black Mage Zemekis
  25. I support Emo-butt! (inside joke)- Saraija Merinas
  26. I hate to vote against Paine, but Squall has a gunblade. And he's cute. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 22:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. Squall is a great character, with a lot more to him than most people seem to realize. One of my favorite FF protagonists. Rihya
  28. Squall is me. I am Squall. Is that clear enough ? Oh, and he's the only of my favourite FF men I wouldn't fantasm on ^^ - Alarielle
  29. I think people need to look up the word emo... and stop using it if they don't know what it means. Because As far as I know both of these characters are more cold than anything. But I'll vote Squall because he is a good character even though most don't think so. EmptySky 02:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
  30. Phoebe Hume Squall would beat her without a doubt...
  31. Is this a vote for squall or a vote against Paine? I don't know...Pryste 19:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
  32. I have to go with Squall, although he would be classified as emo I still support him.
  33. Fated Circle may be the suckiest, but Squall is really cool. - Henryacores^ 00:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  34. I'm sorry. I hate Squall and all, seeing as he's just a selfish jerk, and even though Paine is pretty much one of the best characters that happened to Final Fantasy, Squall knows how to handle a weapon better. So I'm with emo-jackass this time. By Dancemacabre.
  35. MTC
  36. Oh course I'm gonna vote for Squall, why wouldn't I? Paine sucks! Squallinoa 08 23:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  37. Wow...Paine is getting her emo butt kicked to the moon, but it's rather obvious why she's losing. She was just a stupid side character added to the X lineup as a replacement for Lulu (and you could also say that she's the replacement for Auron, whose legacy she does not even fill by a millimeter). I'm not exactly the biggest Squall fan either (even though he's pretty), but PAINE SUCKS. violetmage
  38. Come on, Squall ain't emo, he's one of the coolest characters in FF so far. I mean, he's way cooler than Tidus and Vaan, and yeah, GUNBLADES!, a weapon so cool they in 2 FF's. It's a great game, and while it doesn't have a tear jerking moment like FFVII, it h as characters outside the norm, and it made a lot of people (me included) think that the FF heroes can be different. Squall for ever! User:EndOfHeart
  39. Sorry Paine, you may be my favorite Gullwing, but c'mon, it's Squall! ((I have an attachment that stems from when I first played Kingdom Hearts, it's beyond my control. ^^; Not to mention I was NOT impressed by FF X-2))Sweet Nightmare
  40. Neither is emo. Paine is cool. Squall is just cooler. ChaosEsperVII

Sorry paine you may be cool but not as cool as squall and to quote squall:........ -Dark Raicus13:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Of course I'm voting for my favorite introverted emo boy. I's just loves FFVIII
  2. FFVIII is one of my favorite Final Fantasies. And I never really liked X-2.
  3. I vote in the cool-headed guy, who was destined to kill the most powerful sorceress in history.
  4. I really hate both of these characters and I'm only going to vote for Squall because Final Fantasy VIII is much, much better than Final Fantasy X-2.
  5. I liked both characters and their games, but I liked Squall and VIII better than Paine and X- 16:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Squall was the protagonist of his game, Paine just felt like a replacement for Lulu in all honesty, so I'm voting Squall.
  7. Never did like Paine. She's just a replacement for Lulu in my eyes. So vote goes to Squall
  8. Both of the games suck a bit... But that's not the point! Squall is way stronger than Paine and would certainly kick her pretty ass with Lion Heart Limit Break!
  9. Never liked Paine.
  10. Squall rocks! My vote goes to Squall.. He's one of my faves.. :)
  11. Decliner: I remember saying that I don't like FFVIII, but I dislike FFX-2 even more
  12. Go Squall!
  13. Er........yay Squall?

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

What happened to the idea for a Christmas fight? Drake Clawfang 16:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it's... declined? I actually thought it was a good idea... - SilverSummoner 16:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
A pity TA runs a dictatorship, then. Drake Clawfang 16:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I think he doesn't even know about the idea... (too bad about that..) - SilverSummoner 16:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
After looking at this fight, somebody has to give me a good reason why I would want to vote this week ...or ever again. --BlueHighwind 16:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreeing with BlueHighwind. ScatheMote
What a way to celebrate Christmas... an emo fight... *sigh* SpiranKnight
You all do know that the true christmas is on the 6th of january. And those are not emo's, just goths. there is a difference.Ultima The High Seraph 18:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm so sick with the emo term being thrown out at every possible character around here. How is a guy who is described as cold, a loner and who rejects feelings and friendship an emo? Emos are emotional, when Squall is in his "jerk" stage, he is emotionLESS.Winged Lion 19:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Squall has every reason to be upset. His world is about to be squished by a crazy old lady who dresses like a slut! Give him a break! Anyone would want to whinge under those circumstances!
tbf then Squall does get quite emotional when he turns into a lovesick puppy blubbering over Rinoa endlessly, that is pretty emo.
I know nothing of this Christmas fight of which you speak, and I can't do anything about stuff I don't know about, so you get to vote (or not) on this (I don't care). T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
We've discussed the possibility of Rydia vs. Terra as a Christmas fight (red and green) for about a week now, at least. If you came here more often and looked at the talk page, you'd see that. Drake Clawfang 02:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
So much for Christmas spirit... Leon5550
If we can't have the Christmast Fight, I hope at least there will be New Year Fight or the like... - SilverSummoner 05:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
As i have said before, the real christmas is on the 6th of january. why not have it then? Ultima The High Seraph 12:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Stop trying to sound clever, it doesn't work. Christmas is on the 25th and the 25th only. If you want "the real Christmas", implying the date of birth of Jesus, then both 25th Dec and 6th Jan are wrong. And no one alive can be 100% certain of the actual date. If you are referring to the "twelve days", with the twelfth landing on the 6th of January - that is not the real Christmas, that is the day of Epiphany. This commemorates the "wise men's coming" OR the baptism of Christ, depending. If you refer to something else then speak now.  I Lion Heart I 16:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Owned. Faethinverba volant
Actually, thr real christmas is the 6th because that was the day the wise men arrived and gave the gifts of gold frankensense and mur. And many countries, like the dominican republic, celebrate christmas on the 6th of january. Ultima The High Seraph 20:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Christmas is on December 25th because that's when Santa comes. Come on, people. =) --BlueHighwind 20:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
But he does not go to russia until the 6th. Ultima The High Seraph 21:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
That's just what they want you to think. --BlueHighwind 21:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the conspiring russians want us to think they get presents on a different day. Ultima The High Seraph 21:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Russians celebrate Christmas on the 7th of January, simply because they use a different calender than we do. But for all intents and proposes, today is Monday, December 22, 2008, in Moscow. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 22:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Well i know the people in the dominican republic celebrate xmas on the 6th. And it iis monday in most places.Ultima The High Seraph 22:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
El día de Reyes and Christmas are two different things, bub. Get your facts straight. Faethinverba volant
I thought in Soviet Russia Jesus comes to the wise men... T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
I do believe my facts are quite right, as according to my dominican friend, xmas is on the 6th. Ultima The High Seraph 10:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand... since when Xmas in on January 6th? All my christian friends celebreate it on December 25th.... -.-; SilverSummoner 10:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Ok, apparantly, the wise men came on the 6th of january bearing gifts, so many countries celebrate xmas on the 6th of january. Ultima The High Seraph 10:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
the point trying to be made is that there should be a christmas fight over the period that MOST people here believe christmas to be, not where russia and the dominican republic celebrate it. instead we get a completely random stupid fight with no relation to the festivities taking place for most of the people here. christmas is december the 25th and we're not having a christmas fight. having it later would be crap so it's been done and that's it. stop arguing about january the 6th!
since there won't be any christmast fight, at least can we have a New Year Fight or the like? - SilverSummoner 11:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I just had to say something about the earlier comment so forgive me. We here in the Caribbean we celebrate the 6th of January, El Dia de los Reyes, the day the Three Magi came to the Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus. It's a common and almost unique celebration here and some other countries. The 25th of December is (quite honestly) something that was made by either the Church (and like some people I've heard say) the United States (for selling/buying purposes). Santa Claus is a completely other matter. So anyway, we here at the Caribbean (im puerto rican) we have the 6th of January as OUR 'Chirstmas', but since we puerto ricans are a US colony (sadly) we have BOTH. And btw...I dunno who to vote for XD User: Leiber_Mage

Well, the 25th of december is the birthday of the roman god Sol Invictus. The christian church used this date as it was familiar to the romans, who were being converted. They used the time of the winter solstice because of the and the peagan feastival of saturnalia, meaning the rebirth of the sun. Most christian holidays are taken from other religions. And can you please vote for paine, as i would prefer it if it was not a complete slaughtering. Ultima The High Seraph 16:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
*facepalm* I was first tempted to go into full-rant mode. But then I realised the uselessness of plowing the sea. Faethinverba volant
I am just explaining how the true christmas is on the 6th, and that saturnalia is on the 25th. Ultima The High Seraph 17:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Ultima is correct, most of the Christian holidays were placed over the existing pagan ones, largely because it was politically convenient for Constantine to do so (though the slaves and plebians readily converted, the aristocracy still favoured the old gods). But correct me if I'm wrong. Then again, isn't this supposed to be about the current fight? I'll shut up now anyways.Pryste 18:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Since everyone is off topic just gonna shout out that in Spain they celebrate Christmas on the 6th of January too :) And Santa doesn't bring the gifts, the three kings do... And I think one of them is called Balthazar... You know since the argument has nothing to do with who was chosen, only the date ;]
According to the manger under my Christmas tree, the Magi came on the night of Christ's birth. Would you distrust a manger? Even if I did stick a Burger King Piccolo toy in there for the sacrilegious thrill? --BlueHighwind 21:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Piccolo? Ultima The High Seraph 21:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken Blue is taking about a character from Dragon Ball Z... Ether way I celebrate Christmas on the 25th and get presents from a jolly man in a red suit called Santa like millions of other people. If other people celebrate it on another day does it really matter? I think not.EmptySky 02:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Piccolo is a musical instrument..... And um... 99% of the world celebrate Christmas in the 25th... Leon5550
Yes it is but Blue was talking about a Burger King toy and I don't think BK would make the instrument a toy. And I'm not saying that its not. This whole argument got started because people celebrate Christmas on Jan. 6th instead of Dec. 25th. So that 1% is taking offence to the whole thing. EmptySky 05:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Ultima, or anyone who knows actually what they're talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong; Christmas is only on the date for a convenience, I know this. The "Twelve Days" also comes from pre-Christianity and the twelfth day has become what is known as Epiphany, the date where in some places, people give gifts, as it is the date when the Magi gave gifts to Jesus. Point being, saying that the twelfth day is the "Real" Christmas is just as wrong as saying the first day is. More wrong in reality because Christmas was originally celebrated on the 25th Dec. BUT, this discussion can go no further. Both dates weren't originally Christianity's, and there is no "Real" date for Christmas.  I Lion Heart I 19:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

  1. True as that may be, but i am not saying the real xmas is the 6th because it is at the end of he 12 days. Ultima The High Seraph 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

What did I miss while I was gone? Squallinoa 08 23:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a argument about which day Christmas is. Its silly really. People said the 25th and then others had to bring up Jan. 5th. But besides that... Nothing. EmptySky 02:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Terms kind of lose meaning after a while don't they. Squall is more close to the 'jerk' stereotype personality wise. The only thing emo would be the clothing and that's only due to the added 'Lion mane' which wasn't even part of the original design (CG designer wanted to show off fur effects). The leather (not really sure if the pants are actually leather, I always suspected they were just made of a tough black military material) clothes actually matched the stereotyped Japanese badboy of the 1990's. Even the way he wore the Garden uniform (shirt open) was the Jap schoolyard badboy stereotype. Paine is no where close to an emo stereotype. Her clothing, attitude and temperment is 'punk' style. And actually if someone paid attention to her lines and accessories you might see her as a bit of a fetishest as well. Sad how words lose meaning after a while, or perhaps their meaning changes and I'm just still stuck on the original meaning. *shrug* Netherith 13:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

They lose their meaning because idiots keep using them. In fact I don't think any FF character is "emo" in the moron's use of the term. In the real sense of the term, meaning "emotional", the ideal character would be someone like Zack. The 7th Chaos Esper is back. ChaosEsperVII

ok, I usually don't post in the peanut gallery, but I have to clear one thing up. Christmass was placed on the pagan celebration, the 6th isn't even right, the birth was exposed to be during the harvest celebration...'nuff said. And I agree, neither character are emo. Squall is more bikerish than anything, and as said earlier paine is very fetishis with a hint of yuri...just a hint (well, that is the joke between me and my girlfriend)...that is my two cents Dymagox

Week 98: Gilgamesh v. Kefka[edit source]

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49½ to 34½
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The better part of a platoon combined to defeat Kefka, but Gilgamesh is the greatest swordsman--albeit a self-proclaimed title--ever to live. Will he wipe his blades of the depraved clown's blood or will Kefka have the last laugh?

Votes for Gilgamesh[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind: He's Gilgamesh. 'Nuff said.
  2. This was a toughy for me, I love them both, the man that has reappeared in almost every ff, or the man that brought hell on earth to ff....well, I flipped the coin, asked the girlfriend, and tried to decide...the diecide capable gil one it for me! Demagox
  3. I could never vote against Gilgamesh. - DeadlySlashSword 05:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Fly Enkidu! --Zephyrus11 05:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. Hm...not as hard a decision as a thought. Kefka...after ignoring all his rabid fans is a very stale character/villain, even compared to a slightly recurring minor character(who's way too funny).AnonyMan 07:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. I a hyperventalate at the circus, because of clowns, do you really think I am going to vote for one. Ultima The High Seraph 10:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. I don't really like Kefka.... - SilverSummoner 10:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  8. Kefka is just weird so im gonna vote for Gilgamesh.Mewyuna 11:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. Chocobo Knight
  10. Jeppo: Gilgamesh is a leg end! It's sacrilege to vote against him!
  11. Gilgamesh can nail anyone. TurkBoy 14:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  12. Gilgamesh is an entertaining yet badass fellow, not to mention he lives and all.--Otherarrow 14:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  13. Draga: By the gods, this was a tough decision. Having to choose between my two favourite villians is like eating my own head. I had to go with Gil for teo reasons: His theme song and his place on my top 10 list of FF characters. Just one place higher than Kefka.
  14. I found Gilgamesh a lot funnier, and at least he tried to help you. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 17:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  15. He looks cooler, and kefka is just... well.. fucking annoying to put it plainly. User:A-Man968
  16. I like them both, but Gilgamesh has always been one of my favorite villains! He's just too funny. Rihya
  17. Arcanedude34: This one was tough enough for me that I had written about half a paragraph about why I was voting for Kefka before changing my mind. It's a complete draw between the characters, so I voted Gilgamesh for having a better group of heroes to be defeated by. (Bartz, Galuf, Balthier, Basch, Fran, the original Light Warriors...)
  18. This one was far too easy. Gilgamesh is my favourite character in any and all of the games in which he appears, even his brief tacked on appearance in the Dawn of Souls remake of FF 1. Kefka to me is a lot like Sephiroth in that he's a good villain but just pales in comparison to a pillar of the franchise. Gilgamesh is like moogles or the tonberry, an essential part of the Final Fantasy experience.--User:Margrace
  19. Gilgamesh is the best recurring character in the series. And besides, Battle on the Big Bridge is awesome. --SCM
  20. recino d--O_o--b Gilgamesh is wining?! Well Gilgamesh is the better character. So go Gilgamesh! Beat Kefka like a man! And a lady! And a man who dresses like a lady!
  21. BritBoy: It's no contest, Gilgamesh had the best theme song of all time!
  22. ITS MORPHIN' TIME Gilgamesh?
  23. Mr_Darkside :Gilgamesh was awesome in FFXII
  24. Duh...Who else? - Henryacores^ 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  25. Gilgamesh. Nothing more to say. SpiranKnight
  26. I hate, HATE Kefka. Plus Gilgamesh is better I think. EmptySky 03:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. Why not? Hexed
  28. Myeh heh heh... As much as I like Kefka, and as similar as I am to him, I prefer Gilgy myself. Partly because of his sheer aweXomeness, and partly because he has a crapload of swords, thus adding on to his aweXomeness, plus I like swords. Lord Xale 03:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  29. EXCALIPUR!! it's a sucky move but it's damn funny when it's used againt ya :P AtmaCrisis 07:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  30. It's Morphin' Time! Blackheart1991 12:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  31. Yath They're both awsome, but I feel that Gilgy has the better lines. "I suppose I misjudged! Fighting all four of you... was just too much for me... NOT! HA! I lied! Like a rug! Oh, I KILL me!" "Now let's fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men!" And "You cannot hold a birthday candle to the burning blaze that is my winning spirit!" That, and you fight him multiple times, which adds a sort of 'rival' quality to him. Add the fact in FFXII he has the 'legendary' swords of the past Final Fantasy heroes... Along with Loto/Roto/Erdrick/King's Sword at the end.
  32. JZ
  33. CidTheFirst: Gilgamesh is possibly the only character with one consistent form that manages to travel between Final Fantasy games (disputably).
  34. Pretty easy for me, an INSANE gester with a nag for being over-the-top about everything or a kick-ass ronin with the best damn theme song of all, not to mention the many other reasons already stated above^^ - Xenoheart 18:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
  35. Mateus_the_Corrupt Kefka is just a retarded clown.
  36. Hollowkatt Kefka's just insane. Gilgamesh is cool AND insane
  37. Gilgamesh is the only FF character to survive being sucked into the void. Who knows how he managed it, maybe he was just lucky...
  38. Gilgimesh has been in more than two games so IN YOUR FACE KEFKA Poliwirl100 13:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  39. Mr. Rojo: Gilgamesh is cool. "Now let's fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men!" Also, he was great in FF XII with the swords of the past heros.
  40. Kin of Chaos i have always liked swords more then magic, and i hate clowns so its an easy chose.
  41. Mangartist: These two are definitly among my favorite characters. I couldn't choose myself so I flipped a coin. Sorry Kefka, but Gilgamesh takes this one.
  42. ewitkows: Gilgamesh and his Genji Armor.. hands down
  43. he should be in dissidia Exdeath64 05:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  44. One more onto the pile T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Random Anon: It's Gilgamesh.
  2. Was one of the more fun Hunts to do in FFXII, as well as giving some brilliant items!!
  3. I'm goin' for the one that is not insane. 20:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Gilgamesh is such a good character! He is one of the best hunts in FFXII and is really funny! Gilgamesh FTW!
  5. Swords. So many swords.
  6. Kefka is the villain overrated ever (Sephi's not :) ). Gilgamesh rules, that's all.
  7. Not only does his battle theme is great, it is always fun fighting him.
  8. Kefka is an overrated peace of crap. He did nothing to deserve the power he got, and instead, just waited for Ghestal to lead him to it. Kefka was a mere side-kick who got LUCKY. Hell, he is the only FF main villain who didn't have a plan. Ghestal had to think everything for him.
  9. Gilgamesh was in more than one FF game... and guess what? He's STILL alive! Despite being beaten over and over again, he still lives. Talk about comic relief... XD
  10. FF8 Addict: I think Gilgamesh wins, I mean in ff8, he beat up Seifer after Odin managed to get cut in half.
  11. Gilgamesh just kicks all butt.

Votes for Kefka[edit source]

  1. Uwee-hee-hee! 8bit 04:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Drake Clawfang 04:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. Gilgamesh is the most overrated character ever. Dark Raven 08:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. RowdyCMoore Kefka succeeded in conquering the world. Gilgamesh stole his best line from the Power Rangers. Need I say more?
  5. Sora G. Strife: even I admit Sephiroth sucks compared to Kefka, he's a good swordsman, better than Gilgamesh, therefore, Kefka is better.
  6. ChaosEsperVII: No it goes like Spehiroth>Kefka>Gilgamesh
  7. Edit Conflict: Man, this is a hard one. I'm voting Kefka only because he's much a better villain than most other villains in the series. Gilgamesh is funny, but not really a good villain. Forgive me, Gilgamesh! ScatheMote
  8. It's all about Kefka ! TKOTL
  9. --Maverick King 19:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  10. MrAllStar2: Kefka scared me as a child, now hes one of my favorites
  11. Karura: I like both but Kefka is The Villain.
  12. Sanctiel: Gilgamesh needs to die die die die die DIE!!!
  13. Or else he'll use the Light of Judgement on you. Uwee hee hee. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|03:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. Kefka's losing!! Leon5550
  15. --BigCubby 17:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)Gilgamesh is alright but Kefka is memorable.
  16. He's in Dissidia and seems to rock in this. As I don't know them more than from reputation... Alarielle
  17. Faethinverba volant :My goodness, I considered the possibility of Kefka losing, but never by *this* margin...
  18. PeanutLord 01:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC) guys are killing me here. Asking me to choose between my two favorite Final Fantasy characters ever...well, I'll have to go with Kefka.
  19. Love 'em both. - RadLink5
  20. Free bird 04:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC): I can't help but vote for Kefka.
  21. Copycatloki :: Who cares about Gilgamesh. My vote goes to Kefka.
  22. Karhunkynsi 09:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC) WEE HEE HEE
  23. Terra_Homing I hate clowns.
  24. Twilight_rain Kefka's magic beats EVERYTHING! Especially Gilgamesh!
  25. Keiko2113 Gaahh, Kefka is awesome! nuff said ;] Ahem...there is sand on my boots
  26. Rydiaofmist: Even though it obviously won't happen, I'd love to see this battle end in a tie. Both of these characters are truly epic.
  27. Dazuro: They're both awesome characters, and Gilgamesh has better music, but... after using Kefka in Dissidia, holy shit. He's just so psychotic and lovable. Tra la la, skipping about happily while battling.. BOING! jump sounds... epic stuff.
  28. Shace: Ok how is he not winning? he is the only villian in all the final fantasy's to successfully destroy the world!
  29. User:Leiber_Mage: Voting for Dissidia ownage; Kefka is entertainingly insane and gives me his Blizzaga explodes...and the laugh...'nuff said
  30. The one who did destroy the world gets my vote here. Initial Reality 03:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Kefka is funnier then gilgamesh and he has one hell of an awsome theme song to xD
  2. "There's sand on my boots."
  3. Kefka, simply because of his psychopathic looks and attitude. He was great enough to destroy the world as it was known at the time!
  5. "Do I look like a waiter?" Man he's so classy! You've got to vote for the world's (second) best villain, Kefka Palazzo!
  6. I like Kefka's laugh.
  7. Pure evil and hilarious! Every time he wanders on screen he's just a hoot!!
  8. Clowns are PURE EVIL! ............BUT Kefka is so cool!
  9. All hail the 16-bit laugh.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

What happened to fights getting lots of support before they occurred? This is one of the less-good fights to see action. Drake Clawfang 04:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Since when did fights have to be "not less-good" in order to be chosen? If that's a new qualification, I'll throw out 10 "less-good" fights right now. --BlueHighwind 04:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I meant "less-good" as in little support. And I'd rather you not Blue, if you had your way every fight would be Tifa, Edea, Sephiroth, Vivi and Balthier. Drake Clawfang 05:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
No. If I had my way every fight would make sense. Like this week's fight is totally random. But Relm v. Eiko, that I can understand. I don't like it, but it makes sense. --BlueHighwind 05:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Ah, on that we are agreed. Gilgamesh...Kefka...not seeing a connection because the big mouth and weird outfit. Drake Clawfang 05:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Blue when I suggested this fight (check talk archive 10) you supported it, but you do not like it now?--Oranejo 06:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I'm not sure. I don't know either of them very well. Cluna 06 05:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

This fight wasn't even queued, was it? - DeadlySlashSword 05:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope, only got 4 support. Drake Clawfang 05:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I wonder why...Cluna 06 06:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is the DNC and its fights always such a fuss? Faethinverba volant
If you think this is fussing, you haven't been hanging around the DNC enough. - DeadlySlashSword 07:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
He has and any fuss is a fuss. Urghh. DEATH TO THE PEANUT GALLERY!! But the Peanut Gallery is where to discuss the fight... but it never is except when PC is here, and then it ALWAYS deviates. Discuss the two people fighting plz, and debunk peoples comments and lol at the funny ones. Discussion is what it's for and if discussion is huge debate then that IS what this is for.  I Lion Heart I 21:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Aw, and I was looking forward to Eiko vs Relm. I'm curious, who handles the fights now anyway? —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|03:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
It is supposed to be tactic angel, but BH and drake clawfang normally change the fights. Ultima The High Seraph 15:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

So what is the relation between the two?--BigCubby 17:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Kefka fanboys are just pissed, because they know Gilgamesh can beat him here.

So it looks like two of the most popular characters here are one who looks like Orko and one who quotes lines from the Power Rangers. Do we have a lot of people nostalgic about 80s and 90s kids shows? I'm not saying that's a bad thing....RowdyCMoore

I had considered the possibility of Kefka losing, but not by this margin. I mean, come on. Drake Clawfang 04:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I guess it'd be the same for Sephiroth. But that's my opinion. Fame kills the fame Alarielle
Its fame kills the famous. Ultima The High Seraph 14:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
And then people come to hate it or ignoring it... It happens...EmptySky 01:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Kefka should have won. I voted for the character I liked more. I cannot fathom how many others did not. Whatever, I'm sick of the DNC anyway. Drake, you can continue to try to usurp TacticAngel without me. --BlueHighwind 01:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
It is losing its charm, yes. My personal pet peeve is users who register only to vote in the fights and chat in the forums. I shall not name names, since I don't have any, but they know who they are. Drake Clawfang 01:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I take offense to that! I joined less than a month ago and believe me I plan on helping as much as I can with my limited information. However I think I choose a bad time to join. With the holidays and school I haven't had much of a chance to do anything on here. But give me something to do and I'll try my very best to help as much as I can.EmptySky 02:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I was not picking on you, and apologize to you. But I know for a fact that some users here have not edittd, and have no plans to edit, the mainspace save for now and then, and devote all their time to the DNC. That bothers me. Drake Clawfang 03:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to deny the fact that there are those users who spend all their time here in the DNC or on the forums. Personally I am somewhat ashamed of those people. If they are here then they should help out and not just discuss about who is better than the other. This is a wiki for pete's sake...EmptySky 00:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I would edit more if I had internet and didn't have to do it at school. I corrected some spelling errors and I try to do stuff whenever I can but with like only an hour a day it is very hard to do stuff. But these are all just excuses. --BigCubby 15:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand where you coming from. I can't spell at all so correcting this like grammar are impossible for me. If anything I'm might upload lots of pictures and edit some info. I can get on this site at School but only for 20 minutes. I'm luck enough to have time at home to check up on everything. It just gets hard balancing this with school work and other things I have to get done. I probably have just as many excuses as you.EmptySky 00:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

The FFVI fanboys should play other FFs, before saying that Kefka is the only FF villain to ever destroy a world.

Really? I don't remember anyone else, would you like to say who?
Kuja destroyed the world of Terra ^^
I didn't know, I have yet to play FFIX. Well then, Kefka was the first, not the only one.
Kuja was pretty impressive when he did it... bloody awesome FMV!

Week 97: Alexander v. Diabolos[edit source]

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Two of the more rare summons, these are the archetypes of light and darkness, as personified in summoned creatures.

Votes for Alexander[edit source]

  1. I do it because I can. --BlueHighwind 06:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Gotta got with big Alex. He's always cool and awesome looking. The pinnacle of that being in IX(of course). He'd stomp on Diablos, literally. --AnonyMan 06:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. Alexander, hands down. --Tex Howdy! 06:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. I find Holy more useful than Gravity. - DeadlySlashSword 06:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. Going with the big fella Rocking Chair
  6. Alexander, bigger the better right? --User:Margrace
  7. Not a huge fan of either, but Diabolos is pretty generic in terms of his design. - RadLink5
  8. Diablos is very useful against bosses in VIII, but anyway, I'm on the light side. Alarielle
  9. Tzui20 11:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC): Holy light defeat the darkness, called Diabolos!
  10. Jeppo: Wouldn't say Alexander was rare, but still...
  11. Dancing Daggers: Alexander, holy, whatever. Like Alarielle I'm on the side of light. And in FFIX he did take part in the most amazing cutscene.
  12. Pryste 13:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC): Anyone else reminiscing on that final scene in the anthology version of Final Fantasy VI? Diablos is cool but come on, Alexander shoots a bloody heavy artillery barrage. Besides, I find it ironic that the holy summon is a machine.
  13. Alexander has some of the coolest summon scenes. ScatheMote
  14. I like them both but I like Alexander better, mostly because of his scene in FFIX. I just hope they'll appear more often in the future. Mangartist
  15. Alexander is a friggin castle. How cool is that? Anyway, if Diablos and Alexander got in a fight, the giant castle would easily win. Just crush him, and Diablos gets dead. 3155
  16. Khakishro I'm more darkside then light but im only going with Alexander cause Diablos can't actually kill anyone, and Alexander WAS cool in FF 9....
  17. Maverick Riot: Alexander in FFIX was pretty awesome, and is generally a good summon. Gravity spells are useful in far less situations, especially later on in the games, so no kudos there, Diablos. I like both, but Alexander outshines Diablos in this case.
  18. Mr. Rojo: I like both, Diablos was great in FF VIII. But Alexander is one of my favorite summons, also I like more holy. Alexander is fine in every FF he appers, but in FF IX was just so freaking awesome! :)
  19. Heh heh. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|18:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. My Namesake...possibly. signed, Dougar
  21. Sanctiel
  22. Marduk Kurios Holy Damage can kill enemys - Gravitation Damage does not kill enemys. Both are cool - but Alexanders Attack can't "MISS" like the one of Diabolos! =D
  23. Dazuro It's the fucking Giant of Babil. Only with wings in some cases, and huge machine guns in others. How can you NOT prefer it to a bat?
  24. I like Alexander and Judgment more.... EmptySky 01:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
  25. MTC I prefer machines to demons.
  26. Some High Seraph you are Ultima, Everyone know Alexander = Light and Diablo = Darkness and Light always defeats Darkness Poliwirl100 13:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. Gamer2127
  28. mateo360: Alexander because he is so big and cool.
  29. Karura: I like both but Alex is mythical
  30. Pikmin Master: Who needs a home when you have a giant castle that fights back? Alexander, when it's there, has a heck load of holy energy within, so I'm with it.
  31. Arcanedude34: Blah blah FFIX, blah blah Diablos is unoriginal, blah blah my name is Alexander, blah blah.
  32. He's one of the hardest boss battles you are forced to fight in FF11, Diabolos is also one of these battles, some find him difficult, well his avatar fight is, but the story fight with diabolos is a joke, its 40 cap, I went in there with my 37 drk to help out my friend becuase they needed a stunner and I was the only one that wanted to help, compared to my first time fighting him he was pretty easy, Alexander I hear is extremely hard because there is no real easy way to beat him, its basically give your all and hope time doesn't run out, well my point is that Diabolos is a joke and Alexander owns...Phade Paradox 23:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
  33. Alexander is just really cool. He's one of my favorite summons, and he also plays a pretty big role in IX's storyline... I do like Diablos, too, but I like all summons. Diablos just gets boring, however. I mean, he does Gravity damage. Wow. Alexander uses Holy magic, now that's pretty awesome. Alexander FTW. Yzz 16:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
  34. CidTheFirst: Even only based on the FMVs from Final Fantasy IX.
  35. ChaosEsperVII: Flipped a coin for once.
  36. SpiranKnight: Gravity cannot kill. Holy can.
  37. Cyborg009: Bahamut may be the king of dragons, but when it come to strength, Alexander trumps all.
  38. How useless is gravity magic anyway. Holy wins, everytime. Also; Alexander completly owns Bahamut in FFIX, even if he isn't summonable. Billylemmon
  39. Copycatloki :: I kinda like both but I simply adore Alexander. Besides, in a battle of the two, Diablos would hardly be able to beat Alexander. His Holy would shred Diablos. Kinda like he did with Bahamut in FF9, now that was fun. XD
  40. Well, looks like Alexander is going to win anyways. Cluna 06 03:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
  41. Bobo: Based on FFVI, Alexander was better
  42. SamSandy: Alexander has been one of my favorite summons for a long time. I actually ran into him first in FF8, even though I played FF7 first. I only later found out his presence in FF7 through the internet, and I was exhilarated that there was something in the game I had missed and thus had the excuse of playing it through again.
  43. Aetheryn: My vote is for the big guy here. Hard to beat a castle.
  44. I want to.--BigCubby 18:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
  45. Not that any of these are exactly among my favourite summons, but alexander is just that much cooler than Diablos. A-Man968
  46. Lion heart 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)I think that Alexander should win because Holy Judgement is the shit and don't get me wrong I like Diablos but personally I think Alexander is ten times better and he looks kooler(yes cool with a K)he just so complex I don't know Alexander is just my favorite summon so...but in battle wise to I think that he would pwn with his ultimate HOly Judgement "darkness over shadows us once again, Oh holy guardian hear out are prayers and deliver us out of darkness into light"-FFIX- Garnet and Eiko (he's so special he has his own little prayer....I don't see one about Diablos) So again I thnk that Alexander should totally win.
  47. AvaGirl: He's cooler. =]
  48. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L Though I respect Diabolos, he is kind of lame and secondary in all of his appearances (except FFXI).

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. This summon is so awsome he could kill Diabolos by just standing infront of him....and then this is one of my favourite summons. GOOO Alexander!!!!!!
  2. I need a light more the darkness. The appearance in Final Fantasy is like you going to heaven and become wings.
  3. As they say, bigger is better right?
  4. Both are pretty sweet summons, but Alexander has always been a personal favorite.
  5. One of my favorite summons.
  6. AN awesome summon. He saves Alexandria form Garland's attack in FF9, and his esper in FF6 looks awesome.
  7. his animations are cool. Although theologically speaking, calling a machine "holy" is kinda materialistic... At least he's no demon.
  8. Alexander wins, simply for being the only summon to put up a fight with Bahamut, the ultimate summon, in FFIX. Besides, he is the coolest-looking holy summon.
  9. A long ago, when FFVII was new. I had a cousin named Alex who actually convince me that he submitted his name for a contest and won and that's why the summon is named Alexander. I was such a stupid little boy, and that cousin was and probably still is the person who I admired the most throughout my childhood...anyways "Judgement>Evil Gravity Attack."

Votes for Diabolos[edit source]

  1.  !Hexed: <Diabolos>MWAHAHA! I WiN!
  2. I have to go for diablos, He is one of my top 4 summons of all times, and really he is very close to the top of that list even, if not on the top of it. I love gravity spells, and well, just a great looking one too (not saying that alexander is chopped liver, just saying that my loyalties lie on this side of the fence this time). Demagox
  3. Mostly because of EoS Diabolos. HoW COulDn'T I VOTe foR soMEOne WhO taLkS liKE tHIs? :P — YuanSaluto!Acta 06:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. Same as Yuan. --SCM
  5. Ultima The High Seraph 10:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC): I have to agree with yuan to ^-^
  6. Karhunkynsi 10:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Diabolos is sooooo EEEEEEEVIL! Horns up.
  7. SilverSummoner - Just because I like him more...
  8. Squallinoa_08Come on! Why you guys are underestimating this guy here??
  9. Faethinverba volant : "OMG TEH SATAN" -The Spoony One, Final Fantasy VIII Review
  10. Hmm... I do like Alexander more, but he's winning by a long shot...
    MusT jUmp oN EoS BAndWaGoN!!!11!!1! 8bit 19:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
  11. Diablos has always been a personal favorite... His VIII version is one of the most kickass summons ever! - Rihya
  12. "FEAR OF THE DARK!!! FEAR OF THE DAAAARK!!!" Nobody fears the light! Leon5550
  13. ThE DArk MeSSenGeR AwAitS (GRAVIJA FTW!)- Henryacores^ 02:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. Aleria: One's a castle/robot...thing.. the other's a demon. How hard of a choice is that?
  15. Murasame77: Always been one of my favourite summons, without him we wouldn't be able to get Squall's Lionhart on disc 1 not to mention his HP boosts, plus he's just plain awesome.
  16. Blackheart1991 Evil rocks, nuff said
  17. ONly ever used either of them in VI, but i preferred Diabolos. AtmaCrisis 05:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
  18. Phoebe Hume Diabolos. simply. I don't like Alex that much...
  19. Vegna Gunner: In FFVIII (my fav game) Diablos is much more helpful with Tonberrys, and when you've got to beat 20 something in a row, you grow attached to the GF that helps you out.
  20. Rydiaofmist: I prefer demons to machines.
  21. All glory to the darkness...okay fine, he helped me kill the superboss boss on VI (note, this user has no affiliation with the powers of darkness, i dont play favorties)Exdeath64 23:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  22. Master Conjurer: Why are there so many people over there? Save before you use the lamp!
  23. Gotta go with the last Esper of VI. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
  24. Copario: I have to say Alexander is more powerful, but i like Diablos for just looking the part more, and very evil, like me
  25. JudgeZarbi TALK

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I like gravity magic and Diabolos' does damage based on max HP instead of current HP, plus I prefer Darkness over Light, so my vote goes to Satan.
  2. Darkness all the way!
  3. Alexander may have whooped Bahamut's ass, but Diablos's attack shares a name with Trance Kuja's kickass theme. Hellboy gets my vote.
  4. poor diablos...

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I almost couldn't locate the DNC in it's new location on the main page. That disappoints me. - DeadlySlashSword 06:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ha, I couldn't find it either! - RadLink5
The same here!! Mr. Rojo
Same. I thought they took it down for a second... I'm glad I found it. EmptySky
Me too! I was like "Was there too much fighting so they decided to take it down? That's lame!" and Then I saw it and was all happy~ :3 Yzz 16:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Diablos is a slut ^.^

^^ Mister Unsigned here is funny. Whoever you are, I respect you. Also Diabolos is better.  I Lion Heart I 15:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

This reminds me about EoS and how it's been a month since it's been added to..... Yuan, you should add in the part that Diablocon was supposedly going to add, I want to see Padma go crazy O.o 8bit 19:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

lame pictures ¬_____¬

Second that Leon5550
That was the first thing to cross my mind. Yzz 16:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
They are from Final Fantasy XI. TA will most likely eviscerate all three of you sometime soon. 8bit 16:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
FFXI is one of the only games where Diabolos and Alexander both appear. Besides, Diabolos looks pretty silly in every other incarnation.
FFVIII has them both in!

Looks like Alexander has double the votes thus far over Diabolos. The Dark Messenger has a lot of catching up to do or this one will be another damn blowout. Sigh... --Tex Howdy! 00:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

this is just boring this fight. We need something, dare i say it, KICKASS!! Ultima The High Seraph 19:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. EmptySky 01:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I just wonder… Why do many people forget Diablos can kill ennemies ? And quite good, instant 9999 damage to any ennemi is not given to anyone Alarielle
For some reason they forgot that Diablos' Dark Messenger goes gravity damage based on max HP not current. I guess they just think that all gravity damage is based on current HP. Oh well. 22:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Even so, Diablos wouldn't be effective in a Boss fight, while Alexander would. Honestly, how often is a Boss immune to Holy? SpiranKnight
Actually, most bosses aren't immune to Diablos. He's actually one of the best summons in Final Fantasy VIII. ScatheMote
He is also the only way you can get the Tonberry GF and keep your sanity. Defeating 20 some tonberries and their god damn king without Diablos at your side is an insane idea. 21:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I was under the impression Diabolos was the beast of Gravity, not Darkness. Guess I thought wrong. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, wow. I just noticed it's spelled Diabolos, not Diablos. Oops. arcanedude34

It's Diablos in VIII, so it's not wrong either. And like Scathe said, most bosses in VIII are not immune to him. I have beaten Bahamut and Ultima Arma easily with Diablos and Triple Meteor, and I think they are still two of the hardest bosses in that game. BTW, How is it more useful to deal 2000 or so damage instead of 9999 against the same target, at the same level ? Oh and BlueLionHeart, well he is of gravity, but in many FF gravity represents drakness, considering the lack of true darkness spells. Alarielle

Ugh... Anons, keep your vote above the "Do not add comments below this line" line or it will very likely be deleted! It's not our problem if you can't read the instructions! --The voice of common sense a.k.a. SCM 20:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Week 96: Gau v. Red XIII[edit source]

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I guess you could call it the man who thinks he's a beast versus the beast who thinks he's a man. Thats the theme, right?

Votes for Gau[edit source]

  1. Aw, poor Gau. I too think Red XIII is the best character in VII, and I too like him a bit more than Gau, but I think Gau's going to be crushed in this one. I may change my vote if things change though ^^ 8bit 03:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. Is this the fight of those whom have no job class? Anyways, Gau's story is way more heartwrenching than Nanaki's. Plus, Red XIII hardly appears in any of Compilation. What, did SE forget about him? - DeadlySlashSword 05:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. I changed side since Gau's loosing and I like them both the same. Gau's pretty powerful if you know how Rage works. Leon5550
  4. While Red/Nanaki is one of the few good characters that make up VII's abyssmal main party. He can't hold a candle to Gau, who's just that much cooler and interesting, Rage is pretty fun too. And he's very funny, he may look a bit weird but hey, that's how most Wild children look. AnonyMan 06:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. Gau for sure. I've never played FFVII, but I've heard that Red is an interesting character. But that dosn't make any difference to me. I think Gau's story is better than a lot of other characters in the series. 3155
  6. Khakishro I am voting for Gau. The possiablities for him are endless. I like Red XII but I never used him as much.
  7. At least Gau likes to eat dried meat while Nanaki, uh... -- Pity Gau. At least he listens to me when I give him Dired Meat. Hydrogene
  8. While I love them both, Gau is more endearing, so I vote him. Initial Reality 02:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. Yzz Gau, because his chibi is really, really funny.
  10. I gau was one of my favorite characters in ff6, a quirky personality, great origin. And I will tell you what, the rage ability saved me many a time (I actually did alot of learning with him). So my vote has to go to gau....honestly, I never really used red xiii, he seemed kinda useless to me next to some of the other characters.(just became a member, so I figured I better move this!) Demagox
  11. We'll save you, Gau! =D —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|18:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
  12. I love the little guy, he's adorable AND is a unique type of my favourite class, Blue mage, in fact I kinda ship the idea of Older Gau X Younger Sabin Dark Paladin Danny
  13. We're fighting a losing battle now, but when the going gets tough, you get thougher. I didn't care all that much about either Gau or Red XIII though I find them both cool. The thing is, however, Gau is better. Some of his rages are insanely usefull and completely make up for his lack of the Fight Command, which some people see as reason enough to say he sucks. Red's Limit Breaks however, while a bit usefull in the beginning quickly fell short later in the game. They sucked when compared to Cloud's, Tifa's, Cid's and even YUFFIE's (!!!) I even found Cait Sith's Slots a lot more usefull. Gau also had a bit more character development, even if the scene with his father later in the game was completely optional. After the first half of Disc 1, Red was almost completely forgotten. I almost never used him in either Disc 2 Or 3, but I still used Gau on occasion. I mean, sure his Rage is random but it's always a choice between 2 attacks, one of which is the Standard Fight command. That's really not that bad when you actually take the effort to find out what the other attack is so that you know which Rage to use. ...Wow, this was long. Didn't expect that. Mangartist
  14. Pluto. I pick Gau because he is one of the most UNIQUE characters, and it takes serious skill to use his full potential. I think people who don't like Gau are usually just too lazy to learn his Rages.
  15. Rydiaofmist Both of these characters had tragic experiences involving their fathers. However, at least Nanaki eventually realized that his father loved him. Poor Gau was rejected by his dad, thrown out into the wild, and yet he still manages to carry on and he ends up having such a sweet personality. Say what you want about Gau, but you can't deny the enduring spirit of this plucky young lad.
  16. Gau because he is underrated PullusPardus
  17. I like both, so I'll vote Gau because he's losing. Karura
  18. Mr. Rojo: I like more Red XIII, but since Gau is losing I will give him a pity vote. Also, I like a lot his story, it's pretty interesant.
  19. MR. THOU!!!!! AtmaCrisis 09:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  20. Pity vote. --SCM
  21. Absynthium: Red XIII doesn't have anything compared to Gau. So what if he can't speak in full sentences? Gau wasn't raised to speak full sentences! The damn dog was raised with humans, while Gau was raised in the wild. Rage is also really cool. He can shoot lasers and such.. >_> Even float randomly when you use a flying creature's abilities. And I agree, if you haven't played anything earlier than FFVII, don't vote for someone just because you know nothing about the other character. At least read up on them! Geez. My vote is for Gau 100%, Mr. Thou!
  22. I hate FFVII. Billylemmon

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I like Gau better.
  2. Gau is both more versatile and powerful than Nanaki. He don't need no stinkin' magic marbles!
    Just because you never played anything that came before FFVII doesn't make anything from FFVII the best, kids.
  3. Gau should win.

Votes for Red XIII[edit source]

  1. Nanaki is the best character of VII. Faethinverba volant
  2. I'd rather have a controlable beast than a man that acts like a seriously, Rage is a pain in the ass to master. - Henryacores^ 03:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. Always liked Red XIII, thought he was pretty cool. 03:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. Ouch Blue, bitchslapped. Red XIII is far superior, I hate broken English. Red can speak in complete sentences, which Gau cannot. Drake Clawfang
  5. LadyLeonhart
  6. SilverSummoner
  7. Squallinoa_08 - No no no FF users, Mr. Thou is over here! Gau's no Mr. Thou!
  8. Lookit that shirt! Gau's such a slut. At least Red XIII, being an actual animal, has an excuse for his nakedness. Plus, people only like Gau for his huge knockers anyway. Arcanedude34
  9. ChiefKakashi: I like Nanaki.
  10. Ultima The High Seraph FFTA-ultima.gif: Do I need a reason to vote against that monster.
  11. Copycatloki :: Red XIII gets my vote. He'll shred the fake-beast to pieces.
  12. Mr_Darkside Red is soooooooo gonna win this fight
  13. Jeppo: Only because I haven't heard of the other one.
  14. Bleh. I don't feel motivated to vote for one or the other. Flipped a coin, Red XIII won. ScatheMote
  15. Dark Raven
  16. Lockhart - Nanaki > Gau
  17. Nanaki was a great character and was actually easy to use in the game, compared to Rage. Xlatinsorax 17:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  18. Chocobo Knight 18:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  19. AvaGirl: Personally, I usually don't like characters who speak in broken English... (Why I also hate Kimahri, for instance.) Plus, I'm partial to FFVII, because I've never played FFVI. ^^;
  20. I never really liked Gau... On the other hand, nanaki was one of my favorite VII characters... Rihya
  21. Nanaki, hands down. --Tex Howdy! 19:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  22. I may not use him enough to show it, but I think Nanaki is awesome, and therefore, my vote goes to the fully fluent english speaking wolf...thing. ^-^ -Sweet Nightmare
  23. Cluna 06 21:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
  24. Terra_Homing - Why insult Nanaki? He's way above Gau...
  25. Ameria: Poor Gau.
  26. Gau is represented by Amano artwork. Instant fail. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 02:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
  27. I believe that this almost the exact same battle as the Red XIII VS Khimari fight. Red XIII wins in a landslide. I think it's his wisdom that appeals to me the most. (That and his awesome looks.)JohnnyC
  28. Gau will NEVER win battles of this type. He's my most hated character in VI! Nanaki, on the other hand, is awesome. If it's awesome, it automatically wins. Sucks to be you, Gau. Red Ronso 04:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
  29. Karhunkynsi Do I have to say anything else than I´m Final Fantasy VII fanboy ;)
  30. Sora G. Strife: Now, Gau may be versatile, but let's face it: he's uncontrollable.
  31. Yath: Red XIII, He is controlable, which really does make the whole difference. I hope they solve that in a DS remake... But, until they do, my votes go against Gau.
  32. Phoebe Hume: Nanaki. No argument here.
  33. Maverick Riot: I love Nanaki. Always have. Always will.
  34. mateo360: Red XIII all the way.
  35. Alarielle : don't really care about either, but a character without the basic physical attack command doesn't deserve to live. As simple as that.
  36. recino I hated Gau. I left to rot in the airship most of the game. Alternetly Red XIII was awesome! Not only that but Red was a lot more likealbe. Red XIII FTW!
  37. Marduk Kurios Nanaki / Red XIII is the most coooooolest character ever! He is the only Dog/Cat/Lion/Leopard/Kitty-Thing in the entire FF-Universe who can be used for fighting!!! The only thing I remember on Gau was - he left for Ability.... ---> .... ----> and never came back... XD SO ITS REDXIII!!!!!!!!!!! Woo~~! XD
  38. When I first played FFVII, I called him Fox...--Gamer2127
  39. MrAllStar2 i dont think this is a gud match up, i mean look at the score, Kimahri wud b a better match up
  40. Urkyuuu Red is my second favourite character in FFVII
  41. MTC: Who would have voted for Gau anyway? Nanaki is more intelligent than him.
  42. Blackheart1991 Red XIII is much cooler.
  43. This was a toughie for me. But, I like puppies a lot. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 00:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  44. Red RULES! He's got awesome limit breaks and I hate Gau's clothes. Red XIII is way more civilized and doesn't annoy you when he talks.
  45. Bulbonius This was a hard decision, as I like both characters, but Id have to say that Red XIII wins based on his greater versatility and his utilization of materia.
  46. Murasame77 Ah Nanaki one of the more flexible members of the party in FFVII, not to mention the coolest. He has my vote all the way.
  47. JudgeZarbi TALK
  48. Clyde Arrowny Red, of course!
  49. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Never played 6 so my vote goes to Red XIII.
  2. I don't know the other one... and I can't deny that Nanaki is really cool!
  3. Gotta give him some love.
  4. Favourite character of the game :) therefore I will defend him instantly, the dude had HEART!
  5. Red was awesome. Game set and match.
  6. I vote for Nanaki beacuse his from my favourite FF game! but Gau is cool to :P but i still vote for Nanaki
  7. Red XIII was probably the best character in FF VII so my vote goes to him! Also I dont know who the other person is.
  8. Definitely Red XIII for sure, Gau is really cool, but in terms of what this contest is about, my vote goes to the red beast.
  9. It's Red XIII for me. One of my favourite characters in FFVII and always managed to make it into my team at some point.
  10. RED XIII ROX YO SOX! Acting like a beast is just plain old crazy, but if a beast knows how to like a man that's cool! Red also knows alot about stuff.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Okay, so do we just leave Garnet vs. Yuna in the rubbish pile? Does it still count as "used" and not viable for a future fight? Maybe we could have both fights at once? 8bit 03:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I, too, am eager to find out which among the two of them will get called a slut both the most often and the most unashamedly. PaladinCecil 04:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
We may get to it sometime, but someone jumped the gun and I do not approve. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
And I don't approve of your usual sloth and incompetence. Tell me, next time you want to actually work consistantly. --BlueHighwind 05:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Well that was uncalled for, Blue. TA's work is perfectly consistent in that it's usually inconsistent. Drake Clawfang
Who gives a fuck whether you approve BH? You aren't in-charge and TA is.  I Lion Heart I 14:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Who's the slut? Uh... DUH!! Isn't it obvious?? Yuna is so much of a slut than Garnet. At least Garnet doesn't wear slutting looking revealing clothing than Yuna. She's possibly the biggest slut in the entire FF series. Squallinoa 08 20:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
o_0 -- You've seriously missed all the conversation about how calling female video games characters sluts have a brain smaller than their fist, right?  I Lion Heart I 17:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

PaladinCecil, if you can't get over what happenned a few weeks ago, I suggest you do not hang around here. You know well enough neither Gau nor Red XIII will be called a slut by someone who actually means it. - DeadlySlashSword 05:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Allow me to elaborate, please - get the hell over it already. Drake Clawfang 05:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Much appreciated. - DeadlySlashSword 05:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
1) I was referring to Garnet vs. Yuna. 2) You don't like me expressing my thoughts. I don't like that Rosa never gets a fair shake and never will. We're all disappointed in never getting what we want. PaladinCecil 05:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but you're the only one who makes a point of bitching about it. Drake Clawfang 05:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm stating simple facts. If I were bitching about it, you'd get the lovely sight of several long paragraphs, every week. What I love is if multiple people say things that get on my nerves repeatedly, I'm expected to be quiet and accept it because it's their opinion, but I say one line in a general sense three weeks later and I'm expected to shut my mouth and keep it to myself like those people couldn't do, for the EXACT same reason. PaladinCecil 05:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Looks like its time to put the "don't reply" rule back. Just let him talk himself to sleep guys, he gets tired easily. Drake Clawfang
Yes, that would be a good idea. You have me on the verge of a rant as it is through these kind of double standards. Which I would be doing, but EXACTLY like last time, I'm trying to hold back that drive, despite how keeping it in check to 1-3 sentences is STILL seen as inconsequential and worth blasting me as a horrible person. PaladinCecil 05:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Check the bottom of the list of suggested fights. That is for you. - DeadlySlashSword 05:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for telling me about it. PaladinCecil 05:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Dude, do I have to tell you again for the 100th time? STOP THIS NONSENSE! Get over it! Didn't someone tell you to be a fan, not a fan-boy?! Just because everyone doesn't love Rosa, doesn't mean you can voice out your opinions. KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF! You'll get blocked again OR maybe you'll get

So stop this nonsense! Don't make me, Drake, Deadlysword, and everyone else in this wiki to tell you again! Squallinoa 08 05:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Please take the time to look at the timestamp between my comment and the one you made. PaladinCecil 13:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't we have used the Nomura art for Red XIII? *gets ready to dodge incoming projectiles* I love Amano's art, but seriously, his version of Red XIII just looks terrible...Arcanedude34

Unfortunately, I agree. - DeadlySlashSword 05:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm...I've never notice before but Amano's Red is way cooler than Nomura's, esepcially considering all of the other Amano VII characters suck pretty bad. --AnonyMan 06:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or was there a red XIII not the long ago againt Khimari? Ultima The High Seraph FFTA-ultima.gif 09:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Two months ago. Drake Clawfang 18:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, there is to many-man-like-beast v. Beast-like-man battles. we all know red XIII will win them all. and it is all together suckass!Ultima The High Seraph FFTA-ultima.gif 21:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I honestly don't want to dignify this one with a vote. (In the meantime maybe I'll get round to creating myself a user page ¬_¬)Dancing Daggers

Sigh...this one is not even close to being a fair contest at this point in time. Hopefully the next fight will be more debatable and not a blowout. --Tex Howdy! 19:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC) When are we gonna put in the Rydia vs Terra fight?? I'm so EAGER to find out what the outcome of the fight is! Squallinoa 08 20:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I bet Drake would love that! Cluna 06 02:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like the crazed FF7 fanboys and those ignorant to any Final Fantasy before VII will prevail in this battle. -sigh- No one even gives Gau a thought. Yzz 16:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like the narrow-minded FFVI purists are getting up on their fuckin' soapbox again and whining about stuff. Gau, while funny isn't really as good a character as Nanaki/Red CMXLXIVII when it comes to character development or usefulness in battle. So...that's why people are voting for the non-crappy choice. I like FFVI and all but I hate fanboys. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 18:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Nanaki is better than Gau. When ever there's a fight, debate, or discussion about something, and then next to an FFVII character, incomes the whole "FFVII fanboys"... You think they may have liked FFVII because it was better? People who vote the FFVII character because they haven't played the game the other stars in is not fair... but it's not being a fanboy, it's being someone who HAS to vote. It is whether they vote Nanaki because he was in FFVII where the whole fan-boy thing makes sense. So no, Nanaki IS better. And Zidane does win over Cloud.  I Lion Heart I 18:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Wowowow, hey! I am not a FFVI Fanboy! I am not even a boy <.< And I'm NOT narrowminded! I read the votes for Nanaki first and saw that several of them voted for him because they are "FFVII fanboys" or something along those lines. That's the only reason I said anything, I usually don't bring this up, but that's just because I don't always see this. Well, I saw it in the Lulu vs Rosa fight, because no one seemed to have played IV, but let's not get into that... And also it hurts earlier fans like me to see people say "Oh, I never played VI, so Imma just vote for Red because he looks cooler." And in my opinion, VII wasn't better than VI. VII is maybe the 4th best game in the series (I'm not sayingn VI was THE best, either), but that's just my opinion, you know? So yeah, don't go assuming that I'm some sort of FFVI fantard, because I'm not. Yzz 16:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not a say that voting for a character just because of their game is a good thing. Personally I think you have to like the character itself to give it your vote. Its just that some times people have only played the game of one of the characters and not both. So then they go for the character of the game they've played. I myself have played VI but I haven't gotten up to the part where Gau is introduced. And if you've noticed I HAVEN'T VOTED. I just don't know who'd I'd like better. Sure it might turn out to be Namaki but I could turn out to be Gau too. There are always going to be those people who base their vote just because something's popular or not. And there are others who think about the two then vote. That's just how it is. Oh and FYI, I'm not a fanboy ether. EmptySky 00:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I never liked that, either, voting for a character just because of the game they're in. You should actually like the character. For instance, Fanboys/girls (I hate to throw this term up again, seeing how many people are so offended by it, but it's a good example) always vote for a character if it's from the game they're obsessing over, you know? I'm not saying that you can't like a character that's from your favorite game, because that's so not true. My mind is really all over the place right now (I'm in computer class, so many distractions!), so I can't say anything else @___@ Yzz 14:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about that. as I said in my vote...Nanaki was useless to me in ffvii, but Gau was my mvp. It's all about being able to work out a strategy that works for Gau. No blaming fan-boydom or anything with me....I just honestly think that gau would pwn red xiii in a heartbeat! I mean seriously....rage was a powerful attack when used right! (I also voted for the blue mage). Demagox

hey... someone voted at Gau twice... vote no 7 and 9 for gau came from the same voters... - SilverSummoner 08:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you really think it's gonna made that much of a difference? Leon5550
actually no. But for the sake of honesty, fairness, justice and such, I feel like I want to point it out.. SilverSummoner 09:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Gau's rage IS useful. Do you know that the veldt is full of enemies and bosses you've faught before, including the 8 dragons. Have Gau leap in with a dragon and bam! You got their power on your side. How can you not love it? Because it's so random it scares you? Because it takes a little more time and effort to get those kickass powers(which let's face it, if you're not prepared to spend time on an FF game you shouldn't be playing it) *sigh* I guess the wild child's only for players who like to stay awake during battles.(and btw I'm only defending Gau's abilities. If you simply dislike the character then that's you.) Initial Reality 02:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Week 95: Blue Mage vs. Mime[edit source]

Blue Mage

46 to 31
FFT Mime.gif
I can learn your magic!
I can learn your magic!
Stop copying me...
Stop copying me...
Ok, that isn't funny...
Ok, that isn't funny... but it totally is.

Votes for Blue Mage[edit source]

  1. Go Blue Mages! They're useful in IX, TA and TA2, anyway. And who wouldn't vote for the job class that includes Quina? Hmm....? You have problem? 8bit 02:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. Blue Magic is just...better. Cluna 06 02:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. Let's see... B of...Bad Breath! L of...Level 5 Death! U of...Unction! E of...Exploder! M of...Mighty Guard! A of...Aqua Breath! G of...Goblin Punch! E of...Earth Shake! Goooo Blue Mage! - Henryacores^ 02:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. While both takes a great while before they could be use, Blue Mage learns abilities along the way as you progress. When you obtain Mimes, it's usually a good 99% close to the end of the game. Bluer 02:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. Blue Magic is essentially the ability to mimic some of your opponents' moves. Take that! - Deadlyslashsword
  6. What better way is there to defeat a monster than imitating a monster? --SCM
  7. I never liked Mimes. Just like in real life, I think it's annoying when somebody copies someone else. Though it can be useful at times, I prefer variety and can't stand doing the same things multiple times at once in a same battle round. Variety is the best and it is what they excel at! Free bird 02:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  8. My favorite color mage!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  9. Pikmin Master: The first time I played FFV, I rushed to get the Blue Mage costume. The suit is awesome. With or without the mask which makes me looks like Robin.
  10. Blue Mages always come in handy. Mimes, not so much outside of FFV. Gotta go with Blue Mages this time. --Tex Howdy! 03:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Blue Magic is more fun. Plus there are more/cooler Blue Mage character than there are Mimes, like Quina. Learning enemy skills>copying something once. AnonyMan 05:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  12. Never really used mimic yet and i played with a play mage on both fftas so my vote goes 2 the blue mage Lost-myth
  13. Well, I've never did use a mime before, so I can't tell how good they are. May as well vote for the one I do know. Silber 6
  14. Although the majority of blue magic was useless, in every game's list is a select few which one can easily rely on. Mighty Guard, White Wind, Level 5 Death, and other attacks which come in handy early in the game. If one uses a Mime on the other hand, the battle must be planned out to be able to use its full extent. If you ask me, if you're using a Mime to copy an allies ability, it'd be easier just to turn that character into the same class that you're copying instead. JohnnyC
  15. ArableLadle : Mighty guard has saved me so many times so realy have to go for Blue Mage
  16. Copycatloki :: I never used the Mime. Ever. The Blue Mage on the other hand was at least partially useful.
  17. MTC: The Blue Mage appears in more games than the Mime does.
  18. I actually think mimes can be more powerful and even more useful than Blue Mages, but they're less funny to play with... Is there a better way to destroy an enemy than using his own attack? Plus, Mighty Guard and White Wind by themselves make Blue Magic worth it.. Rihya
  19. SilverSummoner Blue Magic rules! especially Mighty Guard...
  20. CidTheFirst: Blue Mages can be the ace up your sleave if you use them right: they're good at magic with offensive, defensive and just plain crazy spells.
  21. Dark Raven 14:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  22. Aleria Come on, just think of all the awesome Blue Mages!
  23. Terra_Homing "I do what I want, you got problem?"
  24. Rydiaofmist: I don't like losing control of my characters so I rarely used the mime.
  25. Marduk KuriosI like the Abilities the Blue Mage can learn - they're effective and cool. The Mime can only Mime everything but he can't learn anything! But I like Dissidia Mime Butz anyway! =D
  26. Karhunkynsi Mages kick ass! GO QUINA!
  27. Yath Blue Mage! Much better than Mime: Able to use Monster skills whenever they want once learned! Mimes only use the last action used... Meaning it sucks in the wrong situation. Though Blue Magic's a b***h to learn, the results are totally worth it in the end. *spams Grand Delta and White Wind, Followed by Mighty Guard*
  28. Pluto. Anyone who thinks Strago or Quina suck in battle, doesn't know how to play FF6 or 9. Blue Mage all the way. And Kimahri is great too.
  29. Red Ronso Blue Mage is superior.
  30. RedMage I like blue
  31. ChiefKakashi: Because they can learn 1,000 NEEDLES. What more needs to be said?
  32. Mighty guard rules, along with death claw, and that level five death thing Exdeath64 00:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
  33. Lockhart - Yep.
  34. Theentertainer - Hurray! Mighty Guard, White Wind, Bad Breath, Khimari HURRAY!!!! HUERAY!!!!!!
  35. recino As much as I can see the advatige of the mime (Go Gogo!) I love blue mages more (yet so usless/non existent in FFXII)
  36. I love Blue Mages. Its almost like having Kirby in your party. Well, except for the fact that the Kirb eats foes to learn their powers. But I suspect everyone's favorite Blue Mage, Quina, would try that anyway. Signed, Dougar
  37. Billylemmon the Blue Mage Fanatic - I'll obviously be voting for the Blue Mage, as they are by far the best class. Ever. That includes over dragoons. Especially ones named Highwind.
    Anywho; mimes suck because they have to wait for someone else to do something, then mimic it. Blue mages can just straight out do it. There should be more blue mages. More more more. Who do we have? Shitty Quina fatty Quen. Although I did use her, a lot. Other than her Kimahri... Great. A good character stuck in a crap game.
    I've been waffling.
    I vote blue.
  38. Mr. Rojo: I like a lot more Blue Mages.
  39. Blue mages are awesome. Plus, is there anything that ISN'T better than Mime?--Zephyrus11 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
  40. Ameria: My vote goes here.
  41. Jeppo: Mimes are a pain to use so Blue Mages all the way!

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Easy, I'ld go with the blue mage. Miming and Blue magic aren't all that different, but their limitations set them apart. The biggest one for mimes is that they almost always have no control over it (FFT for instance). Blue Mages copy also but they have to be hit and they can't copy everything. It's a good thing that Blue magic sometimes copy the good ones like mighty guard, plus they can do it anytime they want as long as its learned. Most of the time, besides the stats, they can be treated like normal characters.
  2. Blue Magic is awesome!
  3. Admittedly Mimes and their abilities can be abused in the game-mechanics of most FF's including them but I've always found Blue Magic to be fun even if it isn't as effective or consistent as the mainstream magic varieties. Blue magic isn't simply acquired by monotonously pumping your levels up etc.; you have to actively pursue it and undergo certain methods of acquiring it which gets a certain level of cool over mimes that honestly gain little to nothing in terms of skills as they develop. Besides, the likes of Quina get a lot more hate than they deserve.
  4. Mimics are unoriginal, no matter how retarded Qustis' Blue Magic was.
  5. Mimics are unoriginal, no matter how retared Quistis' Blue Magic was. !See it's so lame to copy people.
  6. Blue mages all the way, I mean seriously, I have had my team saved many a time by my blue mage on v, by my gun mage on x2, and any other game that I have come across a blue mage sans quistis or quina (I didn't like either). All in all they have become my most used and preferred class in final fantasy.
  7. I just absolutely love this class. In every final fantasy I play it becomes one of the classes I use most. I used it a lot in X-2, where I managed to get all the blue magic spells. Just great.
  8. They both basically copy moves, so obviously choose the one that less...erm...copy-ish...? Uhhh GO BLUE THINGS!
  9. Mimes are creepy in real life...Regardless Blue Mages are the best!
  10. Having Played and enjoyed the Blue Mage from FF5 and Strago from FF6 it was nice to see some additional spells along side the Blue Magic staples in FFVII (Magic Breath, Trine, Aqua Lung etc.). Sadly these didn't carry over very well into later installments (sad to admit that FFXI did do right by the Blue Mage Class in a big way). Making gathering the Blue spells more of a chore rather than something you can do on the way right up until FFX where Khimari was able to learn his abilities on the fly but couldn't utilize them as freely as past Blue Mages. With all the nerfing this class has received in subsequent games after FFVII (Not counting FFTA)I'd still take this over Mime because of the incredible usefulness and Red Mage like variety of spells for Attack, Healing and Buffs.

Votes for Mime[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind This fight could be better known as "the battle between two superfluous Job Classes". Things were far better in FFVII when they were nothing but Materia. I vote Mime because they were at least useful in FFV. Blue Mages have never been characters worth anything.
  2. Agreed, Blue. FF6, 8 and 9 all had horrible Blue Magic systems, while FF7 had an awesome Blue Magic system. On the other hand, the ability to Mimic others has always been highly powerful, especially for spamming summons in FF6. Drake Clawfang
  3. Nothing's better than doing the same mess twice... for free no less! Leon5550
  4. Uhhh... Two classes I don't use... At all. But I have to say Coping the moves of others sounds better than risking death by getting hit with a spell. That's just not smart. EmptySky
  5. I hate Quina. LadyLeonhart
  6. Mimicing an ally's attack seems more appealing to me than having to take a blow from the enemy. Also, I find their outfits more interesting.--Otherarrow 03:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Mimes are pretty awesome. Blue Mages are alright but I never really use them.--Oranejo 03:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  8. i always liked copying stuff. AtmaCrisis 05:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  9. After watchin Bartz wielded a Buster Sword and a Gunblade, I'M STARTIN TO LIKE THE MIME! Squallinoa 08 06:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  10. Tzui20: Bartz is the best example therefore that mimes can ROCK!!!, GO ON MIME ^^
  11. I never used any of them as they are both bad, but mime is slightly cooler. Ultima The High Seraph FFTA-ultima.gif 12:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
  12. Dancing Daggers: I like Blue Mages, their status attacks are the best, and I have a master Blue Mage in FFTA. Angel Ring + Self Destruct is always a lot of fun, but if you want a character to be doing serious consistent damage they're not much use. Mimes are cooler, and I love the costumes, so they win it for me.
  13. Alarielle Because copying a Ultima Doublecast-ed fom 28MP instead of 198 in X is obviously more than useful.
  14. From the images, Mime looks cooler. ^_^    I Lion Heart I
  15. Only because of Famed Mimic Gogo. I like both classes but they're not executed particularly well. Especially Stragus, who only gets Lores from a handful of enemies, none of which are useful either. - RadLink5
  16. ChaosEsperVII: blue magic was only good in 7.
  17. BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|17:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  18. Gamer2127
  19. Masamune: Imagine that you're walking down the street and a bolt of lightning flies past your head. Thinking quickly, you allow yourself to get hit in the face with the assassin's next attempt, cleverly learning the attack and simultaneously dying a horrible pain-filled death. Now imagine the same situation, but instead of happily and moronically volunteering yourself for target practice, you can just electrocute that sumbitch right off the bat.
  20. I was gonna vote Blue Mage, but then I thought "Wait, the blue mages have Quina. No way." ScatheMote
  21. The over-powered FFV class demands it :P — YuanSaluto!Acta
  22. Sora G. Strife: Yeah, mimes piss people off in the streets. Blue mages? Don't exist.
  23. Yzz At first, I was really confused on who I was going to vote for. I always had fun with Blue Mages, I just think it's a fun job class. Mimes, however, I never got much experience with because you usually get them towards the end of the game, but I do really like Mimes! They're fun, too! So, I was undecided, until I read Masamune's vote, though, and it completely convinced me. I mean, it really is true.
  24. Fyrmer: I actually like both classes, But I'm voting mime 'casue it seem to be losing at the moment.
  25. WTF why isn't mime winning?Phade Paradox 18:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
  26. The Mine class is cool, a mine could learn Blue magic as well as other abilities making it better. Myself 123 23:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
  27. I utterly despise Blue Mages -LeoLab 01:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
  28. ChocoboRider: meh

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Hmmm...the most powerful class in FFV, the most versitile in FFVI, a powerful materia in FFVII and a fun class to play in FFT...nope Blue Mages cant claim any of that. Looks like Mimes get the nod. A-A-A-Quina must be alergic to pathetic FFIX characters.
  2. I've never seen the usefulness of Blue Mages. But I have however, seen the usefulness of Mime. And plus, Mimicking the ultimate spell or technique is quite awesome.
  3. Mime can be all in one!
  4. Mimes are better, since they can mimic the most powerfull attack or spell at no MP cost.
  5. I don't like either really, but in the long run of it Mime is the better of the two IMO.
  6. What kind of idiot wants to get hit by an attack to learn it? A good fighter can copy an attack by just seeing it.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

The biggest plus about Blue Magic is also its biggest detractor. Unlike other magic systems where you have to worry about equipping the right Esper/Materia/Whatever to learn good spells, Blue Magic just learns itself as you travel around. But that's the problem, the get the good spells you have to travel around to find the right enemies to teach you those spells. A major pain in FF9, especially since the Blue Magic there sucked in the first place. Drake Clawfang

Follow up explanation for my disciple on how FF9's magic system sucked. First, when I cast a spell, I want it to connect, so chuck out spells with "success rates", and I want that spell to actually do damage, so chuck out spells that deal with "random" stuff, along with the LV spells and status ailment spells. What's left?
  • Goblin Punch - sucks
  • Doom - sucks
  • Mighty Guard - good
  • Limit Glove - sucks
  • 1000 Needles - sucks
  • Pumpkin Head - decent
  • Earth Shake - dunno
  • Angel's Snack - good
  • Frog Drop - sucks because frog catching is tedious
  • White Wind - sucks
  • Vanish - dunno
  • Auto-Life - good
  • Quina - sucks

Oops, that slipped out. Drake Clawfang

Blue Magic is consistent throughout the series in that there are always a myriad of useless spells. Thus, your list is somewhat accurate. However, White Wind, 1000 Needles, Frog Drop, and Vanish are all useful abilities in addition to those spells marked posivitely by you. Those spells are all Quina needs. And I don't understand why Quina is hated. S/he's a better character than both Eiko and Amarant. And Forks are awesome items! I loved petrifying enemies with my Needle Fork :) Drake, perhaps you need succulent frog. 8bit 02:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm bored, so I'm gonna copy by Quina rant from my FF9 review. Drake Clawfang
"Enter Quina Quen. Quina, you are so lucky I've played Mystic Quest. Looking at your art I knew you wouldn't be ranking high on my character list, and after playing the game you've nose-dived down the list ever more. You've passed Cyan, Yuffie, Zell, Palom and Porom on your way to the bottom, and after hearing you talk about food even in the last dungeon, you shot right past Irvine and Selphie to rest just above the MQ cast. Congrats on becoming my second-most hated character. Quina has no backstory, no personality - she's a glutton, all she ever does, talk about or think about, is food. And the Blue Magic in this game is really watered down, her magic was weak. Plus, her weapon does random damage. Quina as a character is annoying, and as a party member is unreliable and next to useless."
I have a hunch this will turn out to be a Quina hate-ranting session. Bluer 02:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Not that Quina doesn't deserve it. But Blue Magic was only useful in FFVII. Mostly because all the good spells are available right by the time you get the Buggy. --BlueHighwind 02:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
To be fair, my disciple speaks true - half the learnable Blue Magic spells are overall lousy, especially the LV and Doom ones. But in FF9, I found it exceptionally lousy because all the spells did random damage, or damage depending on a variable of some kind - I appreciate consistency, and Quina's magic were not. Plus, you have to Eat enemies to learn the spells, it wasn't enough to just find them and get them to cast the Blue Magic on you. Drake Clawfang
As long we don't get into any of the catfights of the past two contests. I was honestly extremely relieved when I saw a job class battle. And if Quina is made the new punching doll, I shall defend him/her. On a side note, I think it's cool that Bluer's voting in the DNC. It's probably because this particular matchup is fanboy-repellant. 8bit 02:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just had a thought. Blue Mages cast enemy spells, right? What if a Mime mimics the casting of that spell back at the Blue Mage? Can a Blue Mage learn its own spell? Can a Mime mimic the spell being cast at it that was originally something the Mime mimiced? Drake Clawfang

...*Head asplodes* --SCM 02:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, in FFT you can have Ramza learn "Ultima" spell by having Luso cast it on him...I wonder if you can have a Mime use that spell on Ramza...or have Ramza change to Mime
8bit: Looking through the archives, a lot of the admins used to vote. Now, not so much. It's nice to see it happening again ^_^. — YuanSaluto!Acta 02:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Mimes are pretty neat. Even if they are excruceadingly difficult to control. (And I like Quina!!!) BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Mimes are good in FFV, but outside of that game and with Gogo notwithstanding, there aren't many noteworthy Mimes I use. Blue Mages, I have a use for, specifically Strago, Quistis, Quina, and Yuna as a Gun Mage. Bottom line, learning enemy skills like White Wind and Bad Breath can do good when used right. Mimicry I find difficult. --Tex Howdy! 03:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

How long do you guys think this one will go before people start calling Mime a slut (and meaning it)? PaladinCecil 10:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Nah... you just started it... =D SilverSummoner j/k
Ultima The High Seraph: Nobody will do that as a mime can be ethier a man or a woman.
Yeah, you're right. Anyway, I think Mime will lose because (and simply because) recent games (after nes/nes-era) have almost no mime in them, but have blue magic/blue mage. Though I think it's more useful to be able to copy one of your powerful allies than one of your stupid, weak enemies. But that's my way of seeing things. Of course, facing a weapon in VII, blue magic would become useful, but in many case like that one, you can't learn the attacks to get them as blue magics… So it's useless. Alarielle
Red Ronso Red Ronso's Talk Page: Excuse me but there is one thing I believe to be fully true.

While it's true Quina shall forever be hated by many (once again Drake. Once again.), he/she is actually useful at times. Like in the battle with Lich, he/she has that water Blue Magic (I forgot at the moment) and truly decimates him, so it's a huge help. Also, yes, he/she thinks about food, but you gotta give it credit at the very least for originality. Characters that only think about food is as rare as an unopened Final Fantasy VII copy. Sure, no story for Quina, but he/she was at least... unique. I found Quina useful at the very least through Disc One and about halfway to disc 2 when the party was completed. Eh.

i think the originality of introducing Quina into the series was truly a profound one, fair enough Quina's character development was a bit lax but fair to say the ATEs were a wonderful distraction from game play and a nice touch, it was really nice to see Quina running around looking for food during some of the less interesting parts of gameplay :P plus everything about Quina was entertaining, his blue magic was humorous and useful at some points, it was good to have him casting white wind in my later battles in the game saving Dagger for eidolon pummelling ^___^ don't knock him!
Good to see FF Fans who like Quina, she never deserved all the hate. With just a little effort can become one of the best and most versatile memebers of the party. And that scene in Madain Sari when she schooled Eiko and the moogles on Cooking, is one of her most awesome moments.AnonyMan 17:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Jammi568:And anyway, no game can be constantly depressing and serious, as that would just suck balls. Hense Kirle, Relm, Cait Sith/Yuffie, Zell/Selphie, Quina, Rikku, all protagonists of XII.
I don't know. Even without Quina IX is still fairly more light-hearted than most, IMO. However when it got serious it did it really well. So's V, all of the characters are funny. Just not very deep and interesting.AnonyMan 19:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
And you wonder why not too many FF fans like FFV... - Deadlyslashsword
That's becuase it's story and character(aside from a few exceptions) just plain suck for the most part. Eveyone knows the Gameplay was FV's Main appeal. AnonyMan 07:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I liked V's characters and story! - Deadlyslashsword

It seems Mr. Lost Hero is an Anon. It forces me to delete his vote. ScatheMote

Quina is Kirby in disguise...

Quina would eat Kirby....and learn how to fly by inflating himself. Fyrmer

Week 94: Rinoa Heartilly vs. Edea Kramer[edit source]


52 to 38
It's a clash of the Sorceresses!

Votes for Rinoa[edit source]

  1. Squallinoa_08 YES, first to vote! RINOA IS AWESOME! One of my favorite females in the FF series. She cute, pretty, open minded, has ALOT of personality, and she's kick ass. She's an angel in disguise and she just looks GREGOUS!! GO RINOA! GO GO GO!!
  2. Rinoa's a hero and Edea's a villian. Why else? Cluna 06 02:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. Rinoa rocks!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. Faethinverba volant : Yes I like Rinoa. I like her very much. She's no Quistis but she's a cute girl. Edea rocks too though.
  5. Although she's Squall's love interest.... damn... why did Squall love her so much... Gotta vote for her because her Angel Wing is so kick-ass... - SilverSummoner 02:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. Rinoa looks sweeter than any other girls. MTC
  7. Mr. Rojo: I like both sorceress, but Rinoa is just awesome. I love her personality, her story and design. Also I enjoy a lot the love stroy between her and Squall :)
  8. Don't care much for either of them. Or any part of FF8 really. - RadLink5
  9. I really like them both, but Rinoa is just better... She is a great character, has a nice story, a kickass Limit (talking about Angel Wing here), and she owns a dog! Also, she's one of the few characters in VIII that didn't came from the same orphanage. that's a major plus. Rihya
  10. Tex Howdy! 04:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Never played VIII. Heard it sucks. Therefore I am voting Rinoa because: She kind of looks like Garnet, Edea won a DNC bout not very long ago, we all know she's cool, she kind of looks like Garnet, I guess everyone needs to win sometime, and she kind of looks like Garnet. 8bit 04:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  12. Hey guys, wanna hear my Kekfa impression? 'Kay, here goes. *ahem* "I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE Edea!!!!" *coughrinoaftwcough* - Deadlyslashsword
  13. If this were a few years ago. I would have voted against Rinoa easily, but now I see how cool a character she is. Best Female lead in the series bar none. She's got a good personality and some (not to the point where it's annoying)spunk and though I don't care about it she's not a bad looking person, and there's Angelo(a whole Badass right there). She also has the power to whoop just about anyone in the series' ass. Why couldn't Zidane have someone like her?AnonyMan 06:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  14. RowdyCMoore I've said it before, I'll say it again: Goth Ain't Sexy.
  15. ArableLadle : Edea is annoying and Rinoa is ... intresting person
  16. Mr_Darkside Gotta vote for Rinoa as she is always in my main 3 when fighting Ultimecia.
  17. Ultima The High Seraph: Rinoa is Ubĕr cool and edea is a bit freaky.
  18. Dark Raven : I prefer girls who don't have yellow eyes.
  19. Alarielle : I like FFVIII, unlike many people here, and I like both Edea and Rinoa. So it's a hard fight for me. But a lot of what makes Edea nice from my POV is what Ultimecia makes her do. Plus, Rinoa is for me a good female lead : fresh but not annoying like Selphie or Yuffie. And not kind of depressed like Yuna, even if I like Yuna better. And she's the only love interest in every games that is not a white mage, and this is original. So I go for Rinoa.
  20. mateo360 I go with Rinoa because I like her better. You fight with her more then with Edea in your party.
  21. Rydiaofmist: Rinoa was awesome. She had such an honest, open personality. I also loved her limit breaks. Angel wing is wicked good if you know what you're doing.
  22. Lockhart- Meh.
  23. Draga - After watching what Rinoa did in Dead Fantasy, nothing is gonna sway my vote.
  24. Ewwww.... Why would I vote for Edea? She's trashy, she's ugly, and she' creepy! Plus she was manipulated by Ultimecia, which causes MAJOR MINUS POINTS!! I vote for Rinoa because she's a strong woman, she's speaks her mind, she's not afraid of anything, she's can fight, she's lovable, adorable, and she's cute as an Angel. I vote for her cuz she is the whole package, you only vote for Edea cuz of her boobs! Trumpet Spike 03:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  25. AHHH! Edea's darkness is crowding over me! Who can save me? I know, RINOA! ABDC 08 03:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  26. Rinoa can't lose to this slut! Besides, this is her first time! CCRedfield 08 15:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  27. Sorry Edea, but I dig for cuter, beautiful girls, not TRASHY ONES! CHOP STIKS 15:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
     :( Rin Rin 16:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  29. I LIKE RINOA. Myself 123 17:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  30. recinoHaven't we seen this before? As in during the game it's self? Rinoa won. And then won agian. (p.s. 8 bit black mage FF8 dose not suck it rocks.)
  31. Terra_HomingI used to think Rinoa was pathetic, i was once known to compare her to Yuffie because of the ridiculous amount of times you need to rescue her... but then she used Wishing Star and my life changed forever :)
  32. ShadowLaguna: Because I can!!
  33. MrAllStar2my favorite gal in the whole series
  34. Pinoyzidane Rinoa was untouchable in Dead Fantasy 2. CAN'T TOUCH THIS!!
  35. I keep going back and forth between loving Rinoa and hating her, but I guess since I do really like her sometimes, I'll give my vote to her. Yzz
  36. Jammi568 19:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC): The bitch might be stupid for the whole game with her obsesive love to an obviously gay Squall (Seifer/Zell, your pick). However, he she does have slightly more of a personality then Edea, even if it doesn't do her any good in the long run.
  37. Maverick Riot: I like the character of Edea, but just liked Rinoa more. It also annoyed me how they gave you Edea to play with, but only for the space of around 30 minutes; if you decided to use her (which I felt was a waste since she was barely around.) FFVIII was one of the first FFs I really got into and I just grew attached to all of the characters in all fairness. Yes, even Quistis. Rinoa is great. And to the above vote, I'm sure it was Zell. I never saw him as one on the 'straight and narrow'.
  38. Rinoa looks..... PRETTY!! Edea looks.... UGLY! I love angels, and Rinoa just got my vote! Ninja Kasumi 05:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  39. Invincible Moon and Wishing Star are the main reasons I beat Ultima and Omega Weapons. Usmcrave99 13:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  40. Rinoa Lockhart: Angel Wing, Invincible Moon, Wishing Star, OH MY! Ice storm, seriously Edea? Is that all you can offer? Useless bitch! I'm voting for RINOA!!
  41. I hate Edea so much! She's nothing but trash in my opinion. TRASH! Why you you guys vote for a trashy girl when you got a clean, sweet, innocent, lovely, beautiful girl like Rinoa. Edea ain't cute, sure she's sexy, but NOT CUTE! Plus she's a loser after Ultimecia leaves her body. I would rather vote for Ultimecia instead of someone cheap like Edea. AngelPit 00:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  42. I haetd Final Fantasy VIII and I hated its characters (except Irvine). Rinoa wins my vote for this one solely because she's hot. Lord Ryu 00:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  43. SeKaLoYa: Edea's just the puppet for Ultimecia's huge plan, which is equally stupid.
  44. Bucketgilbertsteen: decided by a coin flip
Anonymous Votes[edit source]
  1. "Darling, so there you are/With that look on your face/As if you're never hurt/As if you're never down/Shall I be the one for you/Who pinches you softly but sure/If frown is shown then/I will know that you are no dreamer"/Rinoa is just AMAZING!!!!!! No one has a great personality than Rinoa!
  2. Another vote for Rinoa.
  3. "WHO IS JOIN TO THE OTHER SIDE: THE SIDE FOR EDEA? WHY??!!" *cough* Vote for RINOA! Out of nostalgia.
  4. No contest.
  5. She happens to have the nicest hair in FF by far and she also does a good job of turning Squall into a mumbling little puppy. And you all thought Edea had manipulative powers.
  6. She has the best hairstyle in any Final Fantasy.
  8. Kick Edea's pathetic ass!
  9. Me and Rinoa will "Waltz For the Moon" ALL NIGHT LONG!
  10. just a nudge for Rinoa, Edea already has a couple wins under her (non existent in that outfit...) belt. let's give rinoa props for being the most adorable lead in the world, used to be favourite when i was a full on fan girl ^____^
  11. "veni, vidi, vici." She came, she saw and also won him! Well, she has also captured my heart. Vote for Rinoa.
  12. She has my vote.
  13. A good choice, since both the characters have each other's powers. Edea creeps me out with all her, erm, headgear(?) however. Plus, there's something undeniably awesome about Rinoa becoming an angel with her limit break. She gets my vote.
  14. Rinoa can be my angel.
  15. It funny how everyone voted for Edea, WHEN SHE GAVE UP ALL HER POWERS TO RINOA! Meaning that Rinoa wins and Edea is completely useless!
  16. Rinoa must win!

Votes for Edea[edit source]

  1. FF8 is bad and so are it's characters, but Edea is the most tolerable. --SCM
  2. BlueHighwind Who am I?
  3. Dang, it's the first hour of voting and Rinoa already has like, ten more votes. No no.--BfD~ Kain Highwind battle.pngSetzer Gabbiani small.pngRydia - Adult battle.png10px02:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)1
  4. Leon5550
  5. Arcanedude34: Rinoa ranks as one of the ten most annoying FF characters of all time. She must NOT win. At any costs. *cocks gunblade*
  6. Anyone mention Edea's speech to Galbadia? Sure, she was possessed at the time, but that speech is proof that Edea's superior to Rinoa. Chocobo Jockey 04:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Fonzyboi: well edea is NOT some dumb bimbo, who just tagged along cuz she wants to get laid by Squall. Edea is the real sorceress, the other one is just a slut
  8. Lion heart 05:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)For one thing I not a big hmmmm...what you would call a rinoa fan I find her a bit annoying at times, but I think that edea would win because I think she is more emotionaly stronger and a can handel bigger obsticals that confront her. Also that she is just KOol
  9. Silber 6 Well, I'll tell you this, Edea could beat Rinoa ten times over without her actually doing anything, plus she is an awesome leader, having charisma, good speechmaking skills and is a sorceress, what couldn't you possibly expect.
  10. PaladinCecil The actions committed by Edea while controlled by Ultimecia seem meaningless to most, but in fact they say a lot about the character herself in connection to the other elements of the game. She was a mother figure to her orphans, and so she took on the weight of being a sorceress so the orphans wouldn't have to; this and the measures set up for if she became corrupted show selflessness, as she both could have let an orphan take the power instead or could have done nothing to allow herself to be killed if she became corrupted. Cid's acceptance of her after this event shows his love for her. While Rinoa took up the mantle of Sorceress entirely by accident (which by virtue of being accidental means she went into it without knowing what she was getting herself into), Edea made a conscious decision for the good of the people she loved. Lastly, she has been through a lot of stigma for being a Sorceress since childhood and remained kind, a form of perseverance little respected in fictional characters in more than one case. Oh, and tiny addendum: the 'goth' look isn't truly her, it was forced on her by Ultimecia, a physical sign of the weight she had to bear taking on Ultimecia's power; the end video shows her true preference for appearance.
  11. MardukKurios Edea is simply awesome and I like her very much - but RINOA .... it's the only Character I never ever used in this game (if you had to, then yes but if you had the free choice then she wasn't there) Edea is just awesome and Rinoa is annoying! Edeas Limitbreak is cooler than Rinoas Doggie Cannon!
  12. Edea owns all! She is equally as powerful as Rinoa, but her Limit owns Rinoa's Combine and Angel Wing by far. Viva la reina bruja! - Henryacores^ 12:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  13. In Final Fantasy VIII, Irvine and Selphie were a higher level than Rinoa. Not that it means anything in Final Fantasy VIII. ScatheMote
  14. Sinh 15:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  15. Ameria Voting for both Edea and Ultimercia controlled Edea. Does that count as two votes. :p
  16. Pablo618: I friggin hate Rinoa
  17. Copycatloki :: Edea is my favorite sorceress, so she will get my vote. I don't need no other reason why. :3
  18. --Gamer2127
  19. Konira: Edea. She is the only Final Fantasy 8 character that looks remotely like a Final Fantasy character. At least she kept things going and wasn't afraid to show up and pwn the party. And you get to use her!
  20. Sorceror bobby: Edea for sure shes uber hawt and p0werful
  21. Red Ronso: NO NO NO! RINOA MUST DIE! DIE DIE DIE!!! ...Edea is very human, much more than that hopeless bit-err, Rinoa.
  22. I hate both, but how is RINOA winning? --Crazyswordsman 04:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  23. C'mon Edea! I don't want to lose again this week... Edea is too badass not to win.Slighter
  24. Queen Mimi: for no reason whatsoever
  25. SamSandy: Edea is one of the greatest antagonists in the series, with her background and true identity.
  26. Karhunkynsi Somebody, please kill Rinoa..
  27. ChaosEsperVII: I like FF8, but Rinoa was "how Tifa would be if she was a bad character." Edea was a good villain, not Ultimecia, and made the game interesting. Go Matron.
  28. PhoebeHume: Rinoa is winning? No way/ Matron is sooo much better...
  29. YuanSaluto!Acta
  30. Murasame77 Ugh everything Rinoa said was so obnoxious, I'm just glad the game never had voice acting, that would've been so much worse. Go Edea!
  31. Billylemmon I'll vote for Edea. Just because Giant Icicles Limit > Stupid Doggie Cannon thing.
  32. Free bird 23:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC): Pity vote.
  33. Rinoa is annoying. So is BlueHighwind. For all intents and purposes, Rinoa is BH. Since I would never vote for BH in any competition, this one goes to this creepy plothole woman. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 11:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  34. You know your wiki is blighted when a flavorless and hapless romantic target who doesn't even help you half the game wins against a powerful mage with horns. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Anonymous Votes[edit source]
  1. Yumiko: I agree with Chocobo Jockey that Edea's speech was awesome. Plus her headdress thing is so cool!
  2. I Love Evil Girls :))
  3. I admit Rinoa was cool in Dead Fantasy...but other than that, I can't stand her at all. Edea is so much cooler than Rinoa. I mean it was even pointed out she could take down Squall with a simple spell! She also looks spectacular in the opening of the game and is...well just awesome.
  4. No reason, just like Edea better.
  5. I hate Rinoa with a passion. The line, "You are going to like me" just gets on my nerves. Edea's a cooler character anyway.
  6. Rinoa is annoying =_=
  7. Rinoa is just plain creepy and clingy. Edea can stab people with ice lances when they piss her off. Rinoa... gets... into perilous peril all the time. Woo.
  8. People like Edea when she was posessed by Ultimecia. That means people like Ultimecia. Anything that drums up support for the time-travelling witch has have my vote. Signed, Dougar

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I wanted to change the fight, it was time to do so, so I did. I suspect TA will be displeased however. Drake Clawfang

Whatever. It was about time to end that fiasco, anyhow. - Deadlyslashsword

Sorry Cluna, but I was actually first cuz nobody voted before I did. Squallinoa 08 02:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The Peanut Gallery of the last fight was an example of what happens when the net idiocy is left unregulated. Faethinverba volant
Next time I annihilate you, DC. <3 T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Alright everybody! This is the only battle that Rinoa can win in the DNC. I don't want Edea to win and certainly there won't be any draw in this fight. We need to crush both Edea and BlueHighwind (since he's a huge fan of Edea). We need to show him that Rinoa is the BEST! SO WHO'S WITH ME?! VOTE FOR RINOA! RINOA! RINOA! RINOA!


ummm.... Sorry! Got a little carried away. :) Squallinoa 08 02:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Edea already has won the moral victory. The world will know that few stood against many. --BlueHighwind 02:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Remember people, say no to insane rants. --SCM 02:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
We'll just see! Let the people VOTE! Squallinoa 08 02:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I would, but my strict moral code prevents me from voting in a fight which involves a game I have not played.

Why is the numbering on Edea's side all messed up?

I noticed it at first, but it seems to be corrected now. So far it's 10-5 Rinoa early in the First Day of Combat. --Tex Howdy! 04:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Good, keep it that way. This has to be Rinoa first victory, especially since this is her first time in the DNC. RINOA LIVES ON! Squallinoa 08 04:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
And PaladinCecil seems to have birthed a sequel. --BlueHighwind 04:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you guys calling me out? Because I think you guys are calling me out. It's easy to not get upset about Rinoa getting bashed because unlike Rosa, she actually has a fanbase. That said, just to spite these contests, from now on I'm participating in these contests and voting for whoever's losing regardless of my feelings toward them. PaladinCecil 05:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
No worries. From what I see, it seems like Paladin Cecil is only interested in Rosa... SilverSummoner 04:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm not THAT much of a Rinoa pschotic fanboy. Paladin Cecil only reacts when people make fun of Rosa. When people make fun of Rinoa, I don't care, cuz I know that they are LOSERS! Lol. Squallinoa 08 05:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Can we please cut down on the comments that may even slightly hint at wanting a rehash of last week? - Deadlyslashsword

Anyway. I'm surprised Rinoa has so many fans. I didn't really think many people preferred her over Edea.

Later guys, see you at the end of the week, when Edea LOSES! MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Squallinoa 08 05:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess that you have finally gone mad. Edea may be down now, but in the end, she'll come out on top. Silber 6

I personally hope that Rinoa will win... SilverSummoner 05:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Y'know, judging by your talkbox, I would've never have guessed. - Deadlyslashsword
yeah.. that's quite obvious. :D I kinda hate AND Like Rinoa at the same time... I hate her because of Squall's love for her. this is what they called 'jealous'.. But I like her because of her outgoing personality and careness. she's the 'big sister' type that every little sister want to have...(at least that's what I thought...) SilverSummoner 06:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I find it ironic and funny that most fans of Edea only really like her ultimately because of what Ultimecia did with her. Yep, the same Ultimecia most people hate as well. Some people need to get their priorities straight. Anyway it's good to see Rinoa finally in the DNC, can't believe it took this long for it to happen. Especially when Edea's been in more than one already, I hope she wins her debut.AnonyMan 06:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. But I guess it's going to be awhile before her fight with Tifa actually gets put up, since I'm the one who suggested it. Cluna 06 06:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It isn't funny that people are voting in Edea, because of the speech Ultimecia gave when using her body? lol Edea herself is nothing more than the matron of an orphanage. She is a boring character.

Wow. Paladin Cecil said enough for five votes. Drake Clawfang

Maybe we should give him 5 votes =P --SCM 06:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm analytical. It's been years since I played this game; most of that was after refreshing myself using the wikia article about her. I catch things about characters that people don't take the time to care about. Rest assured, if Edea were winning (and if she starts to), Rinoa would get the same treatment: revealing to people things worthwhile about a character that isn't getting the respect he/she/it deserves. PaladinCecil 06:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Edea was controlled by Ultimecia. So shouldn't all the credit go to Ultimecia? Isn't that why half of you voted for her during the fight with Cloud of Darkness? Squallinoa 08 06:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Still, you would have to admit, Edea is the "face" of Ultimecia until you learn of her existence. Besides, it was Edea the Galbadians appointed as the ambassador. It's not like the politicians behind it would have known she was possessed by some other sorceress from the future. Chocobo Jockey 11:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultima The High Seraph: Rinoa will win. I will makke sure of it. How I will do this I do not know but I will do something spectacular. you wait and see.

I will wait and see, but I'm not sure you'll need to do something. Except if Blue creates many accounts to vote many times, but I'm not eve sure it would work. And PaladinCecil, I love what you said on Edea and agree with most of it, but what Edea does under control is still Ultimecia's work, and the rest, though it makes me appreciate Edea, is not enough facing Rinoa. Alarielle
I never said the things Edea did under Ultimecia's control weren't Ultimecia's work. I said it helps show what there is to Edea when you take it into consideration with other things about her. Who you vote for makes no difference to me, I'm here to vote for whoever's not winning and that's all. PaladinCecil 17:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Why the Hell are you accussing me of cheating? When I have I ever cheated once? Right now the score is technically tied. Too bad. --BlueHighwind 13:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph:We know you don't cheat, its just the fact that you have an obssesion with Edea.

Ultima The High Seraph:Damn it! I had a great idea to.

Then I guess I'll accuse Squallina of cheating, since we all know that that person can't shut up about Rinoa. Squallina, you are now "PaladinCecil 2". I guess we can look forward to an insane fanboy who can't shut up next fight too, huh? --BlueHighwind 22:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Insane nothing. You have no idea what I've seen over the past year. If any other character got routinely trashed as badly as she does... PaladinCecil 01:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait wait wait... "I wish Zidane could have someone like [Rinoa]..."? wutlol??111!!!? And Garnet was the only one of the reasons why I even voted for Rinoa.... 8bit 16:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

PaladinCecil, you are the first person I saw, who gave a GOOD argument for Edea, WITHOUT giving credit to her, for what Ultimecia did. Good job.

I would much prefer if people cared about the arguments I made for Rosa instead rather than wrote those off, but thanks nonetheless. PaladinCecil 18:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I said it before, I'll say it again: No references to last week please. What's past is past. - Deadlyslashsword

NOOO!!!!! Rinoa can't lose! Vote people! VOTE VOTE VOTE! Remember, a girl is perfect and beautiful with a great personality, not great boobs (and yes, I'm into nice girls, and trashy ones)! Squallinoa 08 03:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

whoa, You really are very passionate to make Rinoa win the fight... :D SilverSummoner 03:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
of course! edea already won the fight with Illua. So Rinoa needs to win this fight! Squallinoa 08 04:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Give me an R, R
Give me an I, I
Give me an N, N
Give me an O, O
Give me an A, A
Put them all together and what does it spell?


ok, someone needs to stop me! i'm overreacting! Squallinoa 08 05:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop you? Let me try.
Give me a Retarded, Idiotic Nutjob that is Overrated and Aannoying!....stopped? Drake Clawfang
Thanks! BUT I STILL LOVE RINOA NO MATTER WAT! lolz. Squallinoa 08 05:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
LOL! I have one too. Give me Real Innocent aNd Obviously charming Angel! how bout that? - SilverSummoner 06:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Without trying to start something, I feel like I should say that I just realized a couple hours ago that this is essentially the same fight as last week but with a more popular female lead. PaladinCecil 06:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultima The High Seraph:Damn it! Vote for Rinoa people!! My plan isn't turning out to well. damn you Mike Tyson.

Ultima The High Seraph: Wait! mabye my plan is working!

I hope the voters will stop using the word 'slut'. I remember how this simple single word can start a debate.. SilverSummoner 16:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty stupid overall. The reason it sparked an argument in the previous one is because I've had to endure people claiming that crap for a while now, and the lack of understanding of the character and the number of people who don't really know anything about her put her at risk for people believing it's true (lies going unchallenged is enough for them to spread as if they're truth when it comes to her, I've learned). Edea's safe because she's popular enough for people to know what she's really like. PaladinCecil 16:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
What are you rambling on about now? If you can't stop complaining about the fights that are chosen, don't post here. I can't stress that enough. - Deadlyslashsword
She said she was worried that people using that word might lead to an argument like last week. I explained why last week got so big to defend my actions. I don't think you and Alarielle realize that I AM holding back. If I weren't, there would have been (and would be, in this comment too) paragraphs to explain every little detail. PaladinCecil 18:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

And it starts again… Alarielle. PS : I was just kidding Blue, don't be so overreacting.

Ultima The High Seraph: Can we stop the sympathy votes! just brcause somebody is losing doesn'y meen you have to vote for them!

Yeah guys, start voting for Edea already! PaladinCecil 18:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph: No, don't listen to him! Vote Rinoa! No sympathy votes!!
Hm. Vote for whomever you wish. Your vote should not be influenced by what anybody else says. These include pity votes. I myself am guilty of such an act. Illua VS Edea...yeah...Illua got destroyed... - Deadlyslashsword
Ultima The High Seraph: Don't listen to this Bafoon! No pity votes for edea!
Shut up and look who I voted for - Deadlyslashsword
Ultima The High Seraph:I know who you voted for, you bafoon! YYou said vote for who you want even if it was a sympathy vote.
No, that's not what I meant at all. I do not condone pity votes. Stop calling me a bufoon. - Deadlyslashsword
Actually it doesn't matter what kind of votes you condone. Every vote is equal, no matter how stupid the thought behind it. --BlueHighwind 22:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Gentlemen. PaladinCecil 22:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
That is why this place is so messed up. People vote with reckless abandon! I swear, there has to be a way to fix this... - Deadlyslashsword
I think you've missed the point of a Popularity Contest completely. --BlueHighwind 23:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
No I haven't, Blue. I know this is a popularity contest. I just tend to vote for who I think is the overall better character, and I think more people here should do the same. - Deadlyslashsword

This guy is NOT PaladinCecil II. If anything, PaladinCecil is Squalliona lite. At least PaladinCecil's arguments never devolved into what this guy is vomiting all over this page. This is just disgusting.arcanedude34

huh? WHo are you referring to? SilverSummoner 02:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph:Who are you talking about.
My light?? Explain? Squallinoa 08 23:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Lite* Sorry.
Oh, still what does it mean?? Squallinoa 08 00:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Look what you posted, then look what PaladinCecil posted (more specifically from last week's contest, if you still don't know what that means, then I feel sorry for you my friend, I really do. Then again, I shouldn't devolve myself to these kind of comments.Silber 6

Squallinoa, since when does Edea have great boobs? And since when is that a reason to not vote for a girl? At worst it should inspire apathy, not hate. - RadLink5

Honestly, IDK? I guess when it come to terms from Blue, I also think he votes for Edea because she's evil, beautiful, malicious, intelligent, and has big knockers. Squallinoa 08 04:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

... Big knockers... ? I just. I. You're aware what Edea looks like, right? PaladinCecil 02:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
No. He votes for Edea because he likes Ultimecia when using Edea's body. The truth, is that BH is a fan of Ultimecia, even if he doesn't want to admit it.

To the people calling Edea 'slut, whore and trashy'. Have you even played the game. *sigh* Ameria

Ultima The High Seraph:Yes I am playing though the game and I still call her a slut. She is a BAD CHARACTER! I repeat. SHE IS A SLUT AND A BAD CHARACTER!

FFS, anyone who calls another game-character a "slut" is stupid. Period. And stupid is one of the less-harsh words I could have said. Because you do not like a female means she's a slut? If you did to that to someone in the real world.... well you'd be even more stupid, but you'd be shot... if I were in power. Rinoa is not a slut, Edea is not a slut, Rosa is not a slut. UTHS, HOW THE DUCK IS EDEA A SLUT? (Duck is actually a typo, but I thought it was funny enough to leave in). If you knew anything... Edea is being controlled by Ultimecia, her true fashion sense is seen in the flashbacks and at the end of the game. You call that sluttish you're talking from your stupid. Vote 10, Edea: Paladin Cecil says it all.

So, if anyone here is to use the word "slut" in an offensive way to any character, my respect for you has just dropped even further down. [Insert BH insult here] --I Lion Heart I 15:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultima The High Seraph:Ok but she still is a bad character. a lot worse than rinoa who I have full confidence in will win.
That is fine. I'd have voted Rinoa myself if I took DNC seriously. It's just that (opens up Safari, the browser which is fast but takes ages to load up) the word "slut" is used 34 times, +1 because I just said it. Rather admittedly because we've been discussing it. I Lion Heart I 16:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph:I'll forgive you.

Go me for accidently causing last week's argument! That's my biggest achievement so far on this site! Jammi568

*facepalm* That is not something to be proud fact, you should be quite ashamed of yourself. - Deadlyslashsword
Ultima The High Seraph: For once I agree with this Bafoon.
Fuck you. Learn to spell correctly. - Deadlyslashsword
I never said that I was proud of what I accidently did. And it's hardly my fault that one user had to go OT on us, and spoil the dscussion for everybody. Jammi568
Ultima The High Seraph: I am just joking around, deadlyslashsword. sorry if I offeneded you. and who are you talking about, Jamni.
I was replying to Deadlyslashsword's first comment under mine. Jammi568 22:26, 18 November 2008
Ultima The High Seraph:What about my question.
That's only what it sounded like to me. I realize it wasn't your fault. Still, I just thought it unwise to herald that as your greatest achievement on this wiki. - Deadlyslashsword
Well, it's certainly my biggest imact.

Sweet mother of mercy, there are some psychos in the DNC. Someone call the mental institute...or the zoo, perhaps... Signed, Dougar

Ultima The High Seraph: I will take that as a complement.

What I've learned from this and the last fight: for a character to win here, on top of things listed in the previous fight, the character's fans also need to baselessly, senselessly bash the losing rival while, as always, horrendously exaggerating the winning character's traits and worth. If you were ever wondering what breeds people like me, and why cries for an end to huge rants often go unanswered, look no further than yourselves. If this kind of treatment and "respect" for characters is what it takes to win, I hope my favorites never do. Go Rinoa! PaladinCecil 06:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Damn guys this is a lot more heated than i thought it would be. True both Rinoa and Edea have bad qualities but they also have good ones, personally I dont care for either of them, but that isnt a reason to be getting so heated and calling a MADE UP CHARACTER a slut. Seriously just based on who you think is the better character vote for them. And Squallinoa where do you get off think Edea has big boobs? You want that go to last weeks fight. - Saraija Merinas

Idk, but i guess I'm just preparing for the Tifa vs Rinoa fight cuz I know half of the users will vote for Tifa for her HUGE GIGANTIC BOOBS! And as I stated, a girl a beautiful when she's herself and has personality, instead of having BIG BOOBS! Squallinoa 08 17:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
And yet you voted for Lulu, renowned mostly for having BIG BOOBS, last week instead of Rosa, who fits the end of the scale you're claiming is better. Irony! We has it in spades. I've also learned that the outcome of these fights shouldn't be taken seriously NOT because they're 'meant for fun,' but because almost everybody has no idea what they're talking about most of the time and would rather hate a character for stupid, unfounded reasons (like "that character is a slut" when they're not) than leave it at "I like this character more so there." As far as I'm concerned, if the situation is THIS bad, this entire section should be abolished and replaced with something that deserves the space. All this section does is show the worst of Final Fantasy fandom. This includes breeding people like me, as even I'm aware most people hate me for my rants. PaladinCecil 22:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't like it, don't play.
Not a matter of not liking it. It's a matter of this section having no positive impact on anything. It only drags everyone down. It might've meant something when it was created, if people back then could make arguments (if they felt like making them) that don't involve calling everybody a whore, but today all it does is show the worst side of FF fandom. The ignorant, name-calling, rant-inducing side. PaladinCecil 23:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

looks like Rinoa's gonna win... hurrah! =D SilverSummoner 17:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Week 93: Lulu v. Rosa[edit source]

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49.5 to 35.5

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They are both female and they both cast spells. You find the connection. Really, though, does it matter? Who would win?

Votes for Lulu[edit source]

  1. I think Black Mage is more Useful than White Mage, so I choose Lulu - Mana0803 07:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. First Vote! I don't really care for either, but I like black mages more, anyway. ScatheMote
  3. Faethinverba volant :"Got a Black Magic Woman... got a Black Magic Woman..."
  4. I got nothin'. --Gamer2127
  5. Ultima The High Seraph: Lulu kicks ass. And HA!
  6. Henryacores^ 20:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC) - Lulu! She's awesome, and one of the best characters in FFX!
  7. Krystal: I like both characters, but Lulu is more badass.
  8. BlueHighwind: They both made bad choices in husbands, but Lulu didn't have a Highwind to ignore. So Rosa LOSES.
  9. mateo360 Lulu just cause I don't know who Rosa is.
  10. Lulu --Zephyrus11 21:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Maverick Riot I love Lulu. That's all I have to say on the matter.
  12. FFX is good. Enough said. --JZ
  13. ChaosEsperVII I like Lulu as a character.
  14. Lion heart 23:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)I hope Lulu would win becaus sha has a really cool and strong Overdrive which can be extremely helpful expecialy if you cast Ultima Fury also I love how she can equip cute demonic stuff animals such as MOOGLES *GO LULU!*
  15. Though I'm starting to like Rosa after FF4DS (which seemed to give more life and personality to all the characters), I still find her pretty boring. Lulu just has a more likeable personality, she's great in battle (typical powerful spells combined with ridiculous evasion? yes please), and most importantly, she's busting out of her top (I'm surprised they took so long to design another female like this after how popular Tifa was). Wouldn't Lulu vs Rydia have made more sense anyway? Two exotic black mages. - RadLink5
  16. Leon5550
  17. SilverSummoner 02:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC) - White Mage is cool, but Black Mage is cooler.
  18. Fyrmer: Lulu's just a better character. Rosa's just a soft-spoken damsel-in-distress cliche, whereas Lulu is a dark, complex character with a far more interesting backstory.
  19. Red Ronso: I wanted to vote for Rosa, actually. However... breasts have won this battle. That and more humanity and the fact that she has a child from the most annoying character in FFX. *coughwakkacough*
  20. Fonzyboi 06:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC): lulu gets my vote. nuff said
  21. Karhunkynsi Well, I think they both are awful idiots, but Lulu is less. And I prefer more Black mages ;)
  22. recino: yup. Lulu FTW.
  23. User:FinalAnnihilator: My vote goes for Lulu, as I believe that Black Magic are sometimes more important than White Magic. During the storyline part of all Final Fantasy games, magic is most times proved powerful, while White Magic is mostly useful when you are out of items... Later in the game though, not so much... Still neither White Magic are so useful during the optional parts of the game. Furthermore, I haven't played FF4 as much as 10, so I prefer Lulu.
  24. Sanctiel Even though I hardly ever used Lulu I still vote for her.
  25. I love X more than IV, find Lulu has a larger background than Rosa and a cooler attitude. So this time I don't vote for the white mage. Anyway, on my X game, Lulu is white/black mage and physical fighter and...... So in a fight, I know who would win ^^ Alarielle
  26. ArableLadle : Black vs white...yeah this was easy choise
  27. Rydiaofmist: It's a tough call.... eh, I'm just gonna pick Lulu since I prefer black magic to white.
  28. Murasame77: C'mon who didn't love Lulu's sarcasm? And Black magic is a lot more useful if you ask me.
  29. Lockhart - I usually go with White Magic over Black Magic, but Lulu is just so much better.
  30. MrAllStar2 i always used her when ever she was available
  31. Lulu, hands down. --Tex Howdy! 17:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  32. Squallinoa_08Sorry Rosa, Lulu is hot and she's a black mage!
  33. BigSlurp: I have never been much of a fan of Lulu, however, in this particular case, I think she would take the fight. It would be close, but I think Lulu could handle taking more damage as she is tougher.
  34. Copycatloki :: I like black and white magic the same but I prefer Lulu: I love the belt-like skirt, her personality, her way of talking and how she unleashes magic to kill her enemies. Sorry, Rosa.
  35. Arcanedude34: I vote for the character who isn't as deep as soggy cardboard. The only thing Rosa beats Lulu in is her taste in men. And modesty, but just barely.
  36. Mr. Rojo: For me Rosa was a very boring chatacter and she had a lack of personality (also in the DS). Lulu is a great character, with powerfull spells, also I love her voice.
  37. MTC: It would be better if Lulu can cast Meteor Fury.
  38. CidTheFirst: She added a lot to the game and is an integral part of the group.
  39. SamSandy: Nobody's got more umph than Lulu!
  40. Pluto. : This was a tough one, but Lulu's Black Magic wins for me.
  41. HighwindAsylum: I never really got that far in FFIV, but Lulu was one of my favorite characters from FFX.
  42. Darkling692: Lulu for no good reason, I just like her better.
  43. Lulu, 'cus she her wepeons are cool. Also, being a BM Vs a WM, she would win. Myself 123 13:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
  44. UndyingvsSephiroth: I don't know who Lulu is, but I hate Rosa. So I'll vote for Lulu! P.S Black Mages are awesome.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Black magic can hurt, and my Lulu knew how to put the hurt on.
  2. I like her better than Rose, she attacks with dolls, and well Lulu just kicks butt!
  3. Yumiko: I love Lulu's theme. I mean theme of love is also very great but Lulu's theme is so dark and beautiful. Plus I like black mages better.
  4. Well, I also like black mages more. Her BATTLE QUOTES are really fantastic and funny. And the dolls from that 3D-woman-black-mage are so awesome! That means VOTE FOR LULU !!
  5. Lulu is just cool. Her outfit is awsome, she carries a moogle and she knows how to kick ASS!
  6. She's smexy <3
  7. Black Mages FTW
  8. Lulu all the way, few black mages kick more ass than she does-how could I not vote for her?
  9. This is a toughie. I played both of them and they're both extremely useful, both moreso with Doublecast. Lulu has black magic and access to white magic later on. Rosa has white magic, time magic AND green magic and access to Ultima with Cecil. So this vote is pretty much a flip-a-coin situation.
  10. Lulu has a more interesting story.
  11. Less familiar with Rosa's character, so I'm relying on superficial judgement here. I find Lulu's character design a bit more unusual, which makes her more interesting. Her facial design is just more beautiful than the other FF girls, and it's good to see that Nomura was thinking outside the box (and giving his colleges a challenge) when designing her dress.

Votes for Rosa[edit source]

  1. Rosa isn't as lame a character and White Magic is more Useful. Also she doesn't look as dumb, and she rolls with a much cooler crew than Lulu. AnonyMan 20:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. User:SilverMage: So many reasons. First of all, versatility. Rosa can cast magic and fight, while Lulu can only do one. Second, Lulu has absolutely no impact on the story in X, whereas Rosa at least has some say in the matter during her game. Third, Rosa is in IV, and as we all know, IV > X. Fourth, Rosa marries Cecil. Who does Lulu marry? Wakka. Chew on that. Fifth, voice acting. Lulu's isn't bad, but Rosa's is easily better. Finally, and most important of all, white magic is just better than black magic.
  3. I have to vote for Rosa. Shes awesome. --WFOCBTCSZTVL 20:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. Aleria
  5. User:Zack fair 007
  6. I have to go for Rosa. She's more deep, has a better backstory, (all Lulu has is the bit in the Cavern of the Stolen Fayth and the thing with wakka's brother.) She looks cooler (and hotter), she hangs out with cooler people and she's more useful. (Omnicasting and Dualcasting=Ultimate Ownage). Plus, I just like her better. Almost forgot, she has Theme of Love too.Cecil the Paladin
  7. Pray and Curaja saved my ass more than once - Deadlyslashsword
  8. Rosa is prettier than Lulu, I think. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 22:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  9. Rihya: I usually prefer black mages, but I'm voting for Rosa on this one... Rosa is the coolest white mage ever, while Lulu loses to Vivi... Don't get me wrong, I really like Lulu, but Rosa is waaaay better!
  10. Solely due to Theme of Love and Curaja, which saved my IV party countless times... 8bit 22:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Rosa is alright, although the much sexier mage of FF4 overshadows her. Also, no clue who Lulu is. Drake Clawfang
  12. Hyacynth : Once upon a time Rosa topped my list of characters I liked the least. However! Things have since changed since IV got a retranslation/snazzy DS release, and it turns out she's not the spineless, zero-personality character I thought she was. And I was just playing FFX this very day and thinking "way to be overly harsh, Lulu. Why did I like you the first time I played this, again?" So I suppose the theme for this fight (at least when it comes to me) is "characters that my opinion has changed radically on."
  13. 3155 : Rosa's more useful. Her magic has saved me several times from Zemus and his goons. And besides, How many freakin' belts does Lulu need anyway?
  14. Ameria: A tough choice, but I really like Rosa alot more since replaying IV on the DS. A white mage who can also kill things with her bow is very very helpful. ^^
  15. Konira: Lulu should have gone for Auron - more man, less hair - and Rosa was just easier to love, as soon as I got her, I though, useless White Mage but then she proved quite useful.
  16. User:PaladinCecil: Well, here we go. I'm surprised it's not as slanted as I expected, but there's plenty of time for that. True, Lulu has worth, but Rosa means a heck of a lot more both for her story AND for the series as a whole. Rosa was the first female lead and white mage to ever have the traits that have now become staples of BOTH roles, something that many people who started later in the series either do not realize or do not respect. Further, Rosa has a direct impact on Cecil's journey; her devotion to him led her to journey all the way from Baron to Kaipo just to stand by his side, and that the only thing she suffers from is Desert Fever (an ailment anyone could contract) says a lot about her ability to survive. She helps Rydia overcome her fear of fire, and is the sole reason Kain does not kill Cecil in Fabul. That's not to say she doesn't have her flaws, but given all the things she contributes to both the story of FF4 in specific AND the series of Final Fantasy as a whole, she more than deserves to win.
  17. Free bird 13:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC): Originally, I was going to vote for Lulu partly 'cuz I like her personality, her skills and abilities, and her in-battle quotes and also becuase I have never played any version of FFIV, so I have no idea who Rosa is outside of her in-game artwork from the original release and the DS re-make. However, after reading her wikia page and coming to the conclusion that she, in fact, was the first female FF lead the first to drive in a love story with the male lead, I'm inclined to vote for Rosa becuase like it's been said, she deserves more respect than I had previously given her.
  18. Pikmin Master: I really don't like either of them, but I pick the White Mage of the two. Besides, Rosa can Haste herself and use Aim to put the hurt on Lulu's breasts. If Rosa can Shell and Curaja, she's safe from Lulu.
  19. Theentertainer: I found Rosa to be much more interesting and relevant Story Wise. That and sometimes it seemed like Lulu was more harmful to Yuna's state of mind than helpful.
  20. Pablo618: White magic is... shinny and I like Rosa a lot too and meh I don't really care
  21. I like Rosa better. I have reasons. Hexed
  22. Yath: Rosa. Even though Lulu's hotter, I feel like Rosa served more of a use in my IV party than Lulu in my X party. I also like the fact that Rosa has a 'sure hit' ability, even though her attack is low, it does wonders to flying enemies.
  23. Yzz Of course Rosa! She's so sweet and pretty :3 And you gotta wonder, what would Cecil have done without her! Lulu did play a sort of mentoring role to Yuna, and I guess that's important, but still, I love Rosa.
  24. Bartz235: I agree with evrything PaladinCecil said. Rosa is beautiful while Lulu is hot and I prefer beautiful over hot anyday, but that's not the reason why my vote is over here. Rosa is beautiful and sweet yet powerful and strong-willed. She is easily the best white mage and love interest in the series. She set the standards for all white mages following her. Her white magic skill is amazing and her love for Cecil is stronger than any other love story in the whole series. The closest one to her is yuna, but Rosa can still kick yuna's butt. Rosa deserves a lot of respect for being the first female lead in a love story with a male lead for the FF series as well. Rosa is not only a landmark character but an excellent character in the whole series as well. Plus Cecil would destroy Wakka. (By the way she has a Highwind wrapped around her finger, and that is badass). I saw PaladinCecil on a another forum before regarding Rosa as well...He really loves Rosa(and so do I).
  25. ChiefKakashi: She's losing...Badly.
  26. Slighter I love them both, so I'll vote for the underdog. Hang in there Rosa!
  27. RowdyCMoore 1. Rosa is the most underrated FF character. 2. White Magic is better than Black Magic. 3. Goth isn't sexy.
  28. Sora G. Strife: Hey, when you cast Reflect-Holy and manage to beat Brachioraidos with it, you got me.
  29. Nomura: I like Rosa's music theme. It's really one of the best in the series!
  30. I don't care about the DNC, what am I doing? I Lion Heart I
  31. Summonerluna: Well for one Rosa is integral to the plot of IV and her presence is what motivates much of the action whereas Lulu is entirely a supporting character...I do like Lulu, but she does not really do very much to drive the story. Furthermore, Rosa is fairly essential to surviving battles--her white magic is absolutely necessary and she has pretty decent physical attacks, at least as far as mages go, and she is still useful later in the game--Lulu's black magic may be good early on, but further into the game she is needed less and less. Plus, as has been mentioned before...Rosa set the standard for white mages/love interests, while Lulu is, honestly, nothing special. So Rosa all the way!
  32. Rosa needs vote badly. --SCM
  33. Milady Shadow: Well, I like both characters, but X-2 killed Lulu's character for me, and the DS remake enhanced my liking of Rosa's character, so I choose Rosa.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Rosa has bow and arrow and can cast spells, Lulu's 'weapons' just toddle along and headbutt your foes for miniscule damage. plus i prefer Rosa's outfit :)
  2. Rosa has saved my ass countless times. Lulu? I had to save her ass countless times.
  3. I'm not a big fan of the 3D Final Fantasies. So, Rosa gets my vote.
  4. Pryste: A difficult one. I did think Rosa had a distinct lack of personality (I've heard that this changes in the new remake but I don't own a DS), but FFX is (in my opinion) the worst Final Fantasy of them all, trumped only by its direct sequel, FFX-2. Besides, in terms of game-play Rosa had a vital function in the party that no one else could perform, whereas the sphere-grid system makes Lulu nigh irrelevant.
  5. She's losing... FFIV is one of my favorites FF. I like Rosa, people don't know her. Rosa's design is better and her love history is beautiful. Rosa is better, she can casts White Magic and physical attacks too, she's so useful! Pray saved my party a lot of times.
  6. Oh...elle a j'aime beaucoup Rosa ! Dans la version DS Elle est tellement belle,magnifique,forte,intelligente et sexy...j'adore voté rosa je l'adore...

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Rosa vs. Maria would've made more sense, no? SilverMage

Not much so, it would just be two characters that are more similar than having two characters whose aspects are much much total opposites. Both work either way. AnonyMan 20:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It pains me to see people vote for Lulu just because they've never heard of Rosa. - Deadlyslashsword

That's strange. Somehow it reaffirms my faith in humanity. Well, different stroke for different folks, rights? --BlueHighwind 22:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Amen, brother. - Deadlyslashsword

Tits or Massive tits? Belts or sluttiness? I can't decide! Jammi568 00:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know who you're comparing here. I mean Lulu is obviously the massive tits and belts, but I wouldn't say Rosa has noteworthy tits, and her only sluttiness I can think of is the possibility of her having an affair with Kain (if I had a nickel for every time someone suggested this...). Did you maybe confuse Rosa with FFX-2 Rikku? (I'm kidding Rikku fans, don't hurt me) - RadLink5
Just a quick note: nothing I've found other than a few malicious rumors by one guy claiming he got it from an "official Japanese guide" (which he conveniently never provided access information about) ever suggested that Rosa had an affair with Kain. The story of the game alone should have debunked this lie, and that the guy propagated the lie as believable to so many people is one of the biggest reasons I'm always going on about her: to try and get people to remember what she's like, not what haters like him want people to believe. I'm NOT saying you think that or are spreading that, to clarify, just another mini-rant of mine. PaladinCecil 07:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear christ, I am SICK of people pulling this crap. Rosa is NOT slutty. Lulu's closer to being slutty than Rosa if we're going to act like this, given that she's practically busting out of her bustier AND she moves on to a relationship with Wakka years after Chappu's death. Rosa, on the other hand, loves only Cecil and by all indications of the game, will ONLY love him, the way a true 'one true love' romance goes. The only thing you have to make this claim on is Rosa's clothing, which is just as "slutty" as Rydia and many other women in the game, if not less so. Does that make Rydia a slut? This is why I didn't want this match to occur. People don't know a thing about Rosa, have zero respect for her character or the impact she had on the series, and all this'll do is further reaffirm that people don't care and will never care about this character. PaladinCecil 07:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I feel soo sorry for you, in that case. I like to know how you think someone can be called slutty (personality wise) when they have clearly got over the fact that her boyfriend has died, and just want to move on with their life. As for Rosa, I've played three of the four versions of IV, and I totally agree that she didn't ever try and have a relationship with Kain, or any other man apart from Cecil. However, her DS artwork makes her out to be a badly dressed slut - at least Rydia can pull it off natually. Jammi568 10:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The point behind my comment was that if Rosa's "slutty," Lulu is moreso based on the traits each has. Her artwork gives her even more cover than Rydia; not only does she have a leotard (yes, that's a leotard, not a shirt and panties as many people love to imagine and promote), she also has an underbra, a waistcloth, etc, all this when the original belief of what her clothes looked like was nothing more than a leotard. It is not slutty for a character to look good in that amount of clothing AND be the female lead. She gets attacked for it because she's Rosa, and if this weren't the case, everyone would be digging in deep on Rydia's The After costume for how much skin THAT shows off instead of calling it 'sexy'. It's Rosa, the female white mage of the game; how dare she wear something other than a robe or dress (which is what they forced her into for The After). Of course, you didn't say that last remark, but that seems to be the undercurrent behind such thoughts most of the time. PaladinCecil 10:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, calm down a little, can't people joke a litle too? Agree that her clothing, even if it is not as slutty as rydia's, is quite suggestive. I personally don't care, and like rosa, no matter how she's dressed. Alarielle
That would be fine except that I saw nothing to suggest it was a joke, the person responded pretty seriously, and most important of all, I've run into plenty of people who actually DO believe Rosa's slutty. This is my favorite character of the series, and I don't know how much you've been around, but it's practically impossible to strike up a conversation about Rosa out in the open without someone coming along to a) say Rydia's better, and/or b) say something extremely derogatory about her (such as "she's a slut"), and I'm typically the only one who jumps in to say something in her defense if someone says something like that and means it. Characters like Rinoa at least have a strong fanbase to speak up when people try to slander the character; Rosa's left with pretty much me and that's it. NOTE: "out in the open" means a place a lot of people pass through regularly, not a small grouping of people. PaladinCecil 18:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, if Rosa was a slut it would be her G-string and not her panties that would be showing! THere's nothing slutty about forgeting to wear pants, right? --BlueHighwind 18:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Can't tell, but you seem to be partly joking; you might be part-serious so I'm responding to that half (and if you're ALL joking, then I'm saying something that applies to other people who would think that way seriously). She wears a leotard, which nobody seemed to have a problem with until the DS remake. It's as much or more than Rydia wears (and definitely more than Rydia's The After version). She's living in a world where dancers dance in bikinis out where children can see them, shield maidens of Troia too wear nothing more than a bikini, and everyone seems to still see Rosa as a classy noble lady while she wears what she does. PaladinCecil 18:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, someone took my first spot. ScatheMote

To redirect the argument (really, why does it always turn into a sluttiness debate when it's two female characters?), I'm glad to see other people agree that Rosa (and most of the other IV characters) were annoyingly low on personality before the DS remake's high-quality script. Well I mean I only saw one other voter comment on this, but that's better than being the only one to notice. - RadLink5

Without creating another MASSIVE paragraph's worth of text, I have to say that in Rosa's case, most of her brilliance is characterization is subtle. Unfortunately, we live in a time where 1) people don't look much deeper than what's right in front of their faces, and 2) Rosa's type isn't the kind highly valued by current societal standards, which leads to a lack of appreciation. PaladinCecil 23:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, I take offense to that. I look past what's right in front of me for every character, and let me assure you, Rosa was pretty damn bland in the original scrpit. She may have been the first romantic heroine, but that only gets her so far. In the DS remake's script you at least get the feeling she's helping Cecil and you feel empathetic for her. Whether through bad translating or poor script writing, however the first American scripts for Final Fantasy IV left most of the characters just doing their roles without really feeling human. Edward's probably the biggest example of this in my opinion. You only know that he's sad over Anna's death because he says so. You just don't feel that he is though, you only know that he is. In the DS remake however, I find myself really feeling bad for the guy. He went from being a character I forgot even existed to being one of my favorite characters. I'm starting to ramble though, the point is the DS remake's American script makes all the characters a lot more human, and I respect Rosa's selfless behavior towards Cecil now that it feels like she's doing it out of love rather then because the script says she has to. - RadLink5
You're talking about seeing Rosa as 'bland' from a subjective POV, I'm saying that objectively, that's not true. Just like how everyone seems to love Rydia like crazy, but I might find her a 'bland' girl power cliche. I played FF4 all the way back when it first came out on the SNES, so I'm not some new comer to the game who just suddenly dropped in, I've been with this game since childhood. I've felt this way about the character LONG before the DS remake too, toward the exact same traits you're claiming you couldn't see until the DS remake, so they have to be present in the SNES version. PaladinCecil 08:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
What traits exactly did I claim I couldn't see until the DS remake? No, I saw Rosa was selfless and in love with Cecil in the poorly translated SNES version (and if you claim the SNES version's translation wasn't roughly the equivalent of running the script through Babelfish and having a 4th grader check for grammar, I'll smack you with a trout), but that was it. I only saw it. Much the same as if you pulled people off the street to have them preform Romeo and Juliet. You'd be able to see that Romeo and Juliet were in love, but you probably wouldn't feel the love thanks to their poor acting (this is a poor example as I object to the idea of Romeo and Juliet actually being in love but rather in teenage lust, but that's an argument for another time). The DS version's English script just happens to be, in my opinion, written with much more emotion (both blatant and subtle) in the characters. But I realize you'll never agree and I'm just trying to get you to accept that I don't feel this way about it because I can't notice subtlety in character design. - RadLink5
You said you thought Rosa was low on personality. This implies you couldn't see the traits she has, because the traits she has (classy, noble, loving, mostly selfless, etc) are parts of her personality. As well, you said that the SNES version did not get those traits across. This is very much different from "I think the SNES version didn't do a good job of getting that across, and the DS version did a better job." It's still very subjective in a lot of ways, but even I can agree that the DS remake brought it across better, even if I think the SNES version did a fine job of it. To add, my comment on subtlety was NOT about costume design. The implied journey of Rosa from Baron to Kaipo shows her devotion to Cecil, yet it's subtle because all you really get is "hey, she was there, now she's here, do this to help her." She's a big part of Rydia overcoming her fear of fire through emotional support, but most people focus exclusively on Rydia (somewhat understandably because Rydia IS meant to be the focus, but that's the point; she ends up being ignored as a valuable part of the scene and most people act like Rydia did it all by herself). The written script isn't the only thing that plays a part in characterization. PaladinCecil 23:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I never implied your comments on subtlety had anything to do with her outfit, and I don't agree with people claiming there's anything wrong with her outfit. Not that I even agre e that women should have to dress modestly, but I don't see how what she's wearing qualifies as revealing. Anyway, you're right, the written script isn't the only thing thta plays a part in characterization, and yet it's the most major part. I understand a lot of people probably only got "hey, she was there, now she's here, do this to help her" out of her trip from Baron to Kaipo, but I wasn't one of those people. I know she made the harsh journey out of her selfless nature and love for Cecil. That's not my complaint. My complaint is that until the DS version, it seems she's only selfless because the game says so. The written script doesn't show enough emotion to back-up the actions she's doing. As if her selfless nature and love for Cecil are forced by an invisible but powerful force (the scenario writers). The DS remake's written script is what provides the jump from "character playing her selfless role in a story" to "woman terrified at the thought of her love being dead in a desperate search to find him and be by his side". - RadLink5
I got the impression your comment on subtlety was about costume design because of this: "But I realize you'll never agree and I'm just trying to get you to accept that I don't feel this way about it because I can't notice subtlety in character design." Anyway, I think this is a situation where we might have to agree to disagree; I think the script did fine and the actions carried it plenty well enough. Though like all things, even the DS remake, I think more could be done; I was hoping they'd give Rosa a good number more scenes to help get across to people what's good about her, something people generally don't get. These days I don't know if even that would help, however, since most people have written her off already and will never give her a chance. PaladinCecil 00:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

what a hot debate... :D SilverSummoner 04:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I must agree with paladinCecil about you radlink, from my POV he's right : you couldn't feel the feelings of the characters if you hadn't a graphic support to make you feel they are sad / in love etc. But I may be wrong, as I'm too young for having played Snes, though I think it's the only thing they added. Beat me if they have added more cutscenes. Alarielle
Forgive me for being EVERYWHERE on this, it's just, I like Rosa a lot. They fleshed out a few scenes to be more than what they were in the first one, and they added about three new cutscenes (there's one people can easily miss in the beginning). There's also thought bubbles in the menu for each character. These help get the character across, but I think that there was enough there to the characters in the first place if a person looked deep enough. PaladinCecil 12:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Does the inevitable have to be dragged out? PaladinCecil 20:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The fight has been up for a mere 3 days.... We've had more unbalanced contests that this one go on for longer periods of time. 8bit 23:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't participate here much, but I just never saw a point to doing any of these with Rosa because unless it's something extremely insignificant, she's guaranteed to lose. All this match-up seems to really be about is confirming the obvious. My reaction here isn't a new one either; I normally show disdain for things that seem completely pointless, FF/Rosa or not. PaladinCecil 23:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I just have a lot of trouble respecting anyone who's as shallow as Rosa. Although I'd say the problem of shallow characters didn't get remedied until VI. Some of the IV characters were pretty good, but not enough. Arcanedude34

Please explain what makes her "shallow," or if I have the wrong idea, please correct me. I'm used to the word being used to mean someone who's fickle and vain, both things I absolutely do not see in her. As for if it means "she's not developed enough," this is what I mean when I talk about people not looking deep enough and not giving her a chance because they've already made up their minds about her and don't want that to change. PaladinCecil 01:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I was referring to shallow being under-developed in my opinion, not vain (which is like, the opposite of what she is...) I give all characters a chance, but it's impossible to forget first impressions. My first impression is that she was just another vanilla "loving caring nurturing" character, with no other traits. And... that was basically reaffirmed throughout the game.Arcanedude34
Two issues here. One is that she's being treated as if she came after the most recent games. Aeris and other female leads were made with Rosa as a base, while she was the first of her kind; she's essentially being punished for being the first one to tread new ground. The other, as I said is the problem, you got it in your mind that Rosa's a certain way and then "it was reaffirmed throughout the game." This is confirmation bias. Confirmation bias means you look for things that support an end result you expect/desire to see. This leads to heavily exaggerating the prominence of things you expect to see, while downplaying or ignoring the things you don't expect/want to see. For example, Rosa has a noble and classy side to her, but that's lost when you're more focused on reaffirming a first impression than in getting a full understanding of the character. I know the idea that you didn't give her a chance is insulting to you, and saying it so bluntly is likely to make you more vehement that you DID, but... honestly, a year ago, I would've tried to be as nice about it as possible. Now I've run into enough people who are so completely unwilling to give her a chance that I don't care who I offend, since I know she's screwed in the way people perceive her no matter what I say or do. A lot of this is bound up in both fan devotion to Rydia AND fan devotion to whoever the player perceives as the 'ultimate' or 'template' white mage, which is always someone who came after Rosa (because there are NO white mages with Rosa's personality type that came before her). PaladinCecil 01:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
She's the first in the series to do it? What about Maria? Her dialogue was almost entirely devoted to pining over someone (mostly Leon). Plus, I've seen it in about a million different media made before the first FF was even thought of (books, TV, stories, etc.) so it's not like she's on new ground, it's a trope that's older than dirt. And heaven forbid that our experience with a character should dictate how we view them. And heaven FORBID that anybody should view her less positively than you. In short, I really think you need to step back and ask yourself why you're writing these huge arguments for Rosa when you said yourself you know that nobody's going to change their minds? And maybe if Rosa wasn't so vanilla, I would have liked her right off the bat and we wouldn't have this problem. I don't even mind one-dimensional characters too much (hey, I liked Auron) but I just didn't like Rosa. She just... didn't appeal to me as a character. Garnet on the other hand... Arcanedude34
Yes, she's the first in the series to do it. You are conveniently limiting everything there is about her for your argument. She's a "stereotypical white mage" BECAUSE she BEGAN what we've come to see as the traits of a "stereotypical white mage." Rosa has more to her than "I love Cecil," which is what you're imposing on her as a limitation. You've seen base traits countless times, but not the specific combination that Rosa brought to the table: noble and classy air with a maternal side, full of commpassion and self-sacrifice not only for the one she loves but for practically anyone, able to forgive and withstand potentially traumatic situations perfectly fine without coming out of it scathed. She's more than a "vanilla" character, which you've written her off as. As for why I'm always starting these long arguments? I know precisely why: it's all I have left. If pouring my heart into getting people to give Rosa an actual chance isn't going to do a thing, if I'm going to have to see people routinely treat her like dirt and watch as what little she has left (her strong love tie to Cecil and view of her as the female lead of the game) is slowly cut away from her to leave her with nothing people respect her for, I can at the least bemoan the sorry state of everything. Aside from giving me a way to vent my frustration at how my favorite character's screwed with absolutely zero chance at coming back from it, I get to show very vocally that AT LEAST one person actually sees what's good in her and respects her for it: me. Characters like Rinoa have at least a small fanbase; I'm practically all this character has. And thank you for reiterating my point: that people write Rosa off in part because they see a different character as the template (it's typically the character they started with, which means usually Aeris) and don't particularly like thinking their favorite may not be as great as they once thought. PaladinCecil 01:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
...What is wrong with you? how ISN'T Maria the first to do it? And also... ROSA'S STEREOTYPICAL BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A MILLION CHARACTERS WITH HER PERSONALITY BEFORE HER. I didn't mention ANYTHING about White Magic. And I don't consider "Hey, she's the same character that you've seen a million times before... BUT SHE HAS MAGIK POWERS!" to be adequate character twist. When did she EVER exhibit a noble/classy side? Ever? Maternal side, full of compassion... it's all been DONE before her! And done better, with more realism! (When did she ever sacrifice herself, by the way? When she made the really stupid choice of following Cecil to Kaipo? It doesn't matter that she made it alive [thanks to Cecil], it was still a stupid c.o.a.). She's almost the exact definition of vanilla, being nothing more than a living plot device for Cecil. I liked Garnet more because she actually had more to her- she was spunky, rebellious (without being Rikku-style OVER THE TOP), still caring, but not unrealistically so, even though she had every reason to she didn't hate Brahne or seek to abandon Alexandria... I digress. I admit, garnet was based on earlier female heroines. That doesn't mean I should like the earlier ones better than Garnet, since she (in my opinion) did it much better. Rosa is what you get if you take Rinoa or Garnet or Yuna (not Aerith, I don't know why people associate her with mothering or nurturing...) and simplified them as much as possible, you get Rosa. I'm not going to like her just because she came first. Arcanedude34
Tell me how Maria IS the first to do it. I played FF2 through Origins, and while I didn't get all the way through it, all they seem to have in common is using a bow and arrows, a connection to the main character, and MAYBE (if you built her a certain way) white magic. Everything else, I saw none of. And while I want to know what characters pre-FF series exhibit Rosa's exact traits (and I do want to know them, since I can't think of a single one but you're certain of their existence), it wouldn't change that she's the first in the series to do it, making her the first to set new ground. As for exhibiting a noble and classy side, the entire atmosphere of the game is medieval, putting her in the position of the noblelady; her entire romance is bound up in her noble qualities and the idea of the genteel lady to the gallant knight, as is choice of weaponry. Maternally, she has a couple brief scenes with Rydia in her child form, but it's still enough to draw on, about as much as most people seem to think they need to draw certain conclusions about what Rydia's personality is like. Rosa's journeying to Kaipo after Cecil is a "stupid" choice, again, from the way you choose to interpret it, which again shows you pulling out of it what you want, just like I could completely write off Lulu as a "stereotypical goth witch wannabe" or Rydia as a "bland girl power cliche." She went after Cecil because she wanted to be by his side instead of being one of those weepy whiners who stays at home worrying about the one she cares about; she takes initiative rather than hanging back on the sidelines and you're attacking her as a character for it. If she didn't, she wouldn't have a prominent enough role in the game, and I'm certain you'd look down on her in that case too because then your argument would be "oh sure she loves him, she didn't even try to help him, she just stayed behind and worried." Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't, right? Garnet, spunky and rebellious? Did we play the same game? She had all the same traits as Rosa, her running away from home even took after Rosa who had a secondary (though not as pronounced) reason for leaving Baron of "something's wrong with this whole situation, this is not the right place to be to fix it at the moment." Neither one ABANDONED their homes either, they were simply leaving so they could come back to fix things in a better position of power. All in all, thank you for proving my point: that Rosa will never get the respect she deserves because when people go back, they choose to act like whichever character they love the most came in a game before Rosa, and as a result, act like Rosa's a carbon copy of their favorite (in your case, Garnet). PaladinCecil 03:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Jesus. Listen to these two. --BlueHighwind 02:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll take that as a compliment, BH. Arcanedude34
is this going to continue even after the fight is over? SilverSummoner 03:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully not. Its almost sad to imagine that these titanic blocks of semi-rambling text will be saved for the record in the archives. --BlueHighwind 03:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
No, no. I'm done now. It's just... I've had... run-ins with this guy in the past. We bumped heads, needless to say. And it's your own fault if you actually went through and read all (or any) of the above. Although I doubt very much that you did. Arcanedude34
I'm not all that surprised that we've had run-ins before, actually. Certain people always come in to try to denounce everything I'm saying because it's so damning to what they want people to think and believe for Rosa to get a shred of dignity and respect. PaladinCecil 03:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!! WILL THE MADNESS EVER END??? --BlueHighwind 03:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Probably not, no. Not as long as I have to deal with people who regularly put my favorite character down. I know the reasons, and I know his type: the type who pretend they're open-minded because then they can say "oh, see I listened, I still think the same way" and falsely feel more validated. This is reason two I didn't want this fight to happen: not only would it be another instance of "hey check this out, people like Lulu more than Rosa, who woulda thought?", I'd also have to put up with people like him. PaladinCecil 03:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hear that? It's never gonna end- better pack up and flee the country. If he gets any more obsessed, he'll start breaking into your house late at night and tie you down until you admit that Rosa is the best character in the series. I can see the headlines now..Arcanedude34
There's a massive difference between "Rosa isn't my cup of tea, I can see where she's worthwhile but it's not enough" and "Rosa sucks, she's the worst example of a female character in the series, she's a complete and utter failure, anyone who likes her should be ashamed of themselves and she deserves zero respect for anything, now go away." PaladinCecil 03:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so we can both stop arguing and save this page from approaching 32 kilobytes any faster than it needs to, please. Take it to a user talk page or something. 8bit 03:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I already said I was done arguing. Arcanedude34
You both have to stop this. And PaladinCecil, you've been ranting all fight now. I don't know if you noticed. --BlueHighwind 04:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I've definitely noticed. I'm not too concerned, because I have no incentive to let things fly that grate on me. PaladinCecil 04:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Both of you haven't realize one thing: People always have their own opinion, which may be different from each other. Why bother trying to change their opinion? SilverSummoner 04:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

All I've gathered from this is that at some point, the word "slutty" was used to refer to Rydia. Clawfang is not pleased. Drake Clawfang
Right. I can say "Rosa sucks" all I want, no blocks of text are going to change my opinion. This is the world, deal with it. - Deadlyslashsword
I'm actually suprised to see anyone like Rosa that much. Its like finding a Firion fan or a Shelinda supporter. --BlueHighwind 13:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, Blue voted for Lulu, so Rosa can't win. And I like rosa less after reading those blocks than before reading them... Alarielle

Sadly my vote often does not result in my side winning. Or else Gabranth would have trumped that lame-old Golbez's ass! --BlueHighwind 13:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
That tactic isn't going to stop me from ranting. I've encountered it before. It's always only said to try to get me to shut up by hoping I'll think "oh wow, people might like Rosa more if I said nothing." Which is a lie. She'll never get the respect she deserves no matter what I say or do. People as a whole have made it abundantly clear to me that they'd rather see Rosa as a worthless shell of a character and view everything good about her as a negative. I have no incentive not to rant, because I'm not going to get anything out of it. PaladinCecil 13:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
"She'll never get the respect she deserves no matter what I say or do". Then take a hint please. "I have no incentive not to rant, because I'm not going to get anything out of it". You can keep your dignity. No one here likes ranting no matter what the subject. Debate, don't rant. Drake Clawfang
My dignity is worthless too. It does nothing for me. If you want to continue a back and forth with me, I'm fine doing that on my userpage, but I'm not going to stop my comments on here if there are people saying things like implying Rosa is slutty or claiming she's "deep as soggy cardboard." PaladinCecil 14:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Comments, you started the ranting! One guy made a casual comment about Rosa being slutty, and you started posting paragraphs yelling about it. Don't start what you can't finish. Drake Clawfang
Then let the people have their own opinion. You may think that Rosa is cool or super cool or else, we know that now. But you gotta accept the fact that not everyone here think the same way... SilverSummoner 14:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Again, there's a difference between "I don't like the character" and something more extreme. I understand why you think this is just me being unable to handle people having other opinions, but it's not. People who don't know a character come away thinking such things are true if someone doesn't speak up (and usually, nobody else will). I've found one person claim Rosa slept with Kain and dumped him for Cecil because she only cares about who has more power, and I found plenty of people who saw that claim, actually BELIEVED it, and hated Rosa for it. I think BlueHighwind's suggestion is a good one; these get so big because people are trying to tell me I'm not allowed to be frustrated that Rosa's never given a REAL chance for anything. PaladinCecil 14:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
How about this? Next time PaladinCecil talks, nobody says anything. And then its over. --BlueHighwind 14:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. I'm not going to waste my time, and I know the rest of you don't want to wast your time either, arguing with someone, no, a brick wall, who is shamelessly defending someone who doesn't even exist. This is over. PaladinCecil, none of us have any more words for you. - Deadlyslashsword
As I said would likely be best. And "brick wall?" If someone tries to actually DISCUSS the character instead of bashing her and/or looking for excuses to act like she sucks, I guarantee you'd get better results. "Rosa's clothing looks inappropriate to me" is much more likely to get a calm and open response than "Rosa looks like a slut." This is true for most any topic, not just this character. PaladinCecil 21:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
It's called "Other people's opinions" unless you're Hitler, Genghis Khan or Barack Obama, there's no way you can change their personal opinion. The only thing you can do is grin and bear it. Leon
Oh wow, politics? I hope that was a joke, because I was hoping such remarks would end after the election (I'd react the same no matter who was mentioned, because like how I'm sick of Rosa not getting the respect she deserves, I'm also sick of hearing people dig into each others' politicians all the time). I already laid out that there's a difference to me between simple statements of opinion and comments filled with malice intended to make her look bad. PaladinCecil 14:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

And I thought the last fight would have a huge argument...... Leon

I agree with you.Just a last thing to say : my last comment was not a stupid try to make PaladinCecil (if he still reads) quiet, but a real thought. See, the same way, Sephy could never be my favourite FF villain, only because of the battle sephy-kefka. I just can't like a character which raises such a debate, or actually I can like him/her in his/her universe, but not on a website designed for fandom (in the good meaning of fandom). Alarielle. Now, this was my last comment on this one, except if there happens to be an interesting discuss here.
Hey Alarielle we got the same B-day. Happy b-day. The 7th Chaos Esper must show love for those born on The Chosen Day. ChaosEsperVII

Why do people think that X is better than IV? And that's how they justify voting for Lulu over Rosa? FFX was just kinda... dumb? The characters weren't that great, either. While IV, on the other hand, had an epic story and unforgettable characters. This is my opinion, however, I know that there are FFX fans that are about to slaughter me right now -.- Yzz 15:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I won't slaughter you, but notice that I personnally find that 4 has a good story, but X is better for me. That is all a matter of preferences. And, forgive me, but don't tell Yuna isn't great when blue is watching. Or when I'm watching either. I like the rest of the cast, but even if I didn't, Yuna could, from my POV, raise the level above I to IV casts, on her own. This is my opinion. About Lulu, she makes contrast with the kind and quite silent Yuna and the over-expressive Rikku. She's a little cynist (not sure of the word), like me, and is the most exeperimented guardian, aside from Auron but he does not talk much about what the team should do. She's kind of the voice of wisdom, as we say in French, like er… could I dare say Rosa in IV ? I'm not sure, I haven't completed the story, but she makes me think of that. She has the same role, plus the love story, of course. Alarielle. PS : er thanks chaos esper and happy b-day to you too, but that would have been more appropriate on my talk page for instance ^^...

...Hopfully this will end soon becuse it is making the page hard to read. Konira

I hope so as well, I have a thing against frivolous match-ups like these that feel like their only purpose is to show how MUCH more one character is loved over another. Frivolous anything, really, not just this. PaladinCecil 18:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, no. Sorry, but this fight was not put up to show that Lulu is more loved than Rosa. I'm sorry it turned out that way, but THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, NOR IS RANTING GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. - Deadlyslashsword
I feel bad adding more, but I feel like I have to say this. That was a bad choice of words on my part. I meant more like we already knew how it would turn out, so the only value it ever had was to give specific numbers to the obvious. PaladinCecil 20:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is everyone acting like this is some landslide victory anyway? We've had much more one-sided fights between popular characters. I think everyone expected to see a one-sided fight and isn't taking into account that there's less than a 20% difference between the two? Frivilous my ass, just stop whining that your character is losing. arcanedude34
More that this is a pointless fight with a result we knew it would have before it even began. PaladinCecil 20:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
You're seriously just whining at this point. Both are major characters of games that aren't II or VIII, they both stood a fair chance. - RadLink5
Taking it to your talkpage (OR it'll go to mine; RadLink5 said there he doesn't want it on his talkpage) because I know people want me to stop posting here, but to end here, no, they did not have a fair chance. Anyone who wants to know why this is obvious can follow. PaladinCecil 21:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

oh no... who started it again? The debate is over guys! I suggest we decide the winner of this fight and moving on to the next fight to end this madness.... SilverSummoner 00:37, 14 November 2008 (UTC) I thought we have settled down the situation... obviously Deadlyslashword's and my effort are useless...

Unfortunately, I think this fight hasn't begun a week ago. But you're right, definitely. Alarielle
If I remember correctly, this fight was posted last Saturday, so only one more day of this ridiculousness - Deadlyslashsword 20:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Never seen anything like this... The ranting above is actually ridiculous, fun though! Terra_Homing

Week 92: Cloud vs. Zidane[edit source]

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Here we have two polar opposites in personality, united only by their status as popular protagonists. Who comes out on top: The Sly Eagle or the SOLDIER, the ladies' man or the introvert?

Votes for Cloud[edit source]

  1. Krystal: Hands down on Cloud! All Zidane ever does is to act like an old-fashioned hero (even though he is an angel of death). Cloud on the other hand is a more complex and conflicted character who has underneath his shell a desire to help and protect others. He is also a strong character who has some weaknesses underneath. I don't care what you Cloud-haters say! Cloud has a cooler sword, a cooler bike and at least he is voiced by a man, whereas Zidane is voiced by a girl. Plus he's a lot hotter! Enough said.
  2. SilverSummoner All hail the spikey guy! :D
  3. Ajox I like them both, but Cloud is the ultimate hero :D
  4. All of what Krystal said. I love Cloud!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. Zack fair 007 02:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC) nabn, i thought Clloud would win. When i saw Advent Children AGAIN, its hard NOT to vote for him. But zidane, gets a very honourable mention.
  6. I'll take crazy over nice anyday. =P --Oranejo 02:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Zidane has a flippin' tail. Not cool. Anyways, Cloud is just so much more badass than Zidane. And think of this: Who would really win in a fight? - Deadlyslashsword
  8. Slighter Not a tough call, got to go with my favourite video game character of all time. Zidane aint half bad though, it's a shame he's against Cloud.
  9. Super Sephiroth: Zidane was an awesome hero, but Cloud can use magic, has a better limit and his weapon is much cooler. Sorry, Zidane.
  10. ChiefKakashi: Cloud's gonna get slaughtered...
  11. Rydiaofmist: Cloud definitely had issues, but that just made him interesting. I liked Zidane too, but I found Cloud to be the more memorable character.
  12. Blykus: Although I like Final Fantasy IX more than Final Fantasy VII, the latter was still my first Final Fantasy game and -- in turn -- Cloud was the first protagonist in the series I was introduced to. Aside from that nostalgia, I've also grown to like the character in all the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII titles. This was a tough choice to make, but I have to go with Mister Strife.
  13. JudgeZarbi TALK
  14. mateo360: Cloud, just because there is something about Zidane that annoys me for some reason.
  15. Murasame77: Whoa, I never expected to see Cloud losing. He'd get my vote anyway. First FF and all that.
  16. MardukKurios: Final Fantasy VII is just awesome. He will get all points because his Omnislash kicks @ss and Zidane don't have any Multi-Slash-Attacks and Trance is NOT awesome - Trance is ewww! Yay for LIMIT-BREAKS - Eternal YAY for FF7!
  17. Mr_Darkside: He's defeat the most badass villian of all time, Twice!!! and kicked Bahamut SIN's ass too. What has Zidane done lately?
  18. Masamune: Tough choice, but I think Cloud is going to lose. Pity vote.
  19. User:clvabl: Everybody who for Zidane is slow & Cloud is badass yo
  20. User:shadowjomi: Is this really a contest, what can some daggers do against the almighty buster sword...
  21. MrAllStar2:they both r awesome, but cloud had 2 chicks instead of 1, hehe
  22. ChaosEsperVII: Omnislash with Ultima Weapon= Pwn. Plus Cloud is way more powerful, deeper, complicated, has a better story, cooler looking, has a gangster ass bike, and wields the Buster Sword and First Tsurugi. Anyone who thinks another protagonist character can beat Cloud in a fight needs to wake up. He beat Sephiroth, the most powerful of villains, with sheer willpower. Alas, his downfall is due to Square's overexposure of him.
  23. CloudVII: Cloud.
  24. Cloud's much better, he must be strogner as he eaisely holds up the massive Buster Sword, as Zidane only holds those little daggers. Myself 123 19:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  25. Mvinnicius: Cloud, all the way.
  26. Gamefreak520: Ultimate Weapon + Omnislash=More damage than Knights of the Round and the First Tsurgi is just awesome, what other hero can combine 6 swords into 1. GO CLOUD!!
  27. neoSeth: Cloud, for the simple reason of being the hero in the first (and the best, IMO) FF I ever played and for being the trademark hero for the series. FF simply rules, specially VII. Zidane's great, nonetheless.
  28. Mr. Rojo: I like both characters, they are great heros in their own game, great powers and personality. But, this time I will go with Cloud, althought I know he is very overrated, I like his character a lot. His limit breaks were awesome!
  29. Lion heart 17:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC) I think that could would win well....because the he has higher strgh. and def. also he has cool limit breaks such as the one in advent childern final tsurugi that majorly pwns all also cloud can equip materia, unlike zidane who can't equip it so not allowing him to use magic so that can be pretty bad against a warrior that can use magic(black,white...ect.) also the mear fact that cloud is amazing and his story and his personality is 10X more complex than zidans don't get me wrong i like Zidane just not as much as cloud also cloud has way better hair *it defies gravity*
  30. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - Whoever said this place was full of haters. Yes, I'm looking at the people in the other column <,<
Anonymous Votes[edit source]
  1. cloud !!!!!!!
  2. Props for Chocobo Head
  3. I vote for Cloud beacuse he´s much cooler then Zidane, like look at them Cloud is running around with a freaking giant sword that probebly if it where a little realistic could kill someone by just tap that sword against them and then Zidane comes here with his daggers.....thats just annoying. But my point is, Cloud got everything a main character should have. go Cloud!
  4. Cloud is just Cloud, Screw Zidane and his Trances...Cloud would Murder Zidane like he murdered Sephiroth twice ^o^ w00t GO CLOUD!!!
  5. Cloud took down Sephiroth not once, twice but three times, without ever being inducted into SOLDIER. He has one of the best swords designed and an interesting backstory, so props to Cloud.
  6. If theres one thing that annoys me more then cloud, it's anything and EVERYTHING revolving around FFIX. So heres to cloud.
  7. I don't know about you but Zidane kind of scares me with that picture.
  8. I'd much rather Cloud won than Zidane, as there is very little that annoys me more than he does.
  9. Nothing against Zidane (I throughly enjoy him as a character) But I can pull off Cloud in Costume at D*Con more than him. So I choose the one I have dressed up as (Sword and all)
  10. I found Cloud more interesting.
  11. Cloud would totaly own Zidane, what with his Omnislash! Hands down Cloud... Sorry Zidane, we still love you, too!
  12. cloud even though i like zidane...Clouds just Cloud
  13. Cloud all the way...
  14. Cloud should totally win because he's awesome. I like Zidane, but Cloud I believe is much cooler. I also believe Cloud win in a battle, because of his strength and his defense.

Votes for Zidane[edit source]

  1. Henryacores^ 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC):Because he's a true hero, and Cloud is a true puppet.
  2. I like a hero I can relate to. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. I flipped a coin and tails came up! (laugh you fools!) --Gamer2127
  4. Out of the rather poor casting of main male protagonists, Zidane is the diamond in the rough. Plus he equips swallowtails and not boring swords like everyone else, and FFIX > All. 8bit 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. I never really liked Cloud. But Zidane was instantly likable. --HighwindAsylum 00:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. Jeppo: I like both of them but Zidane just has more personality than Cloud.
  7. Khakishro: I also like both, buy Zidane struck me more then Cloud. Zidan was the first hero of Final Fantasy I ever controlled, and I like to feel I connection to him out of all the heros of Final Fantasy. Clouds not a bad hero, but I think we can all agree that hes very overrated.
  8. Cloud wasn't cool until Crisis Core. He was really likable there, acting human and not yet being emo. However, Zidane was cool from the very beginning and is still cooler than Cloud after the VII compilation. Plus, I love IX. - RadLink5
  9. Squallinoa_08I LOVE ZIDANE!! Cloud has too much glory already!
  10. Cloud was cool, Zidane was cooler. Drake Clawfang
  11. Consular Revan Regardless of FFIX being the first FF I played, I found Zidane to be a more likable character. I could relate to him more. Although Cloud isn't horrible, as he was a 'cool' main character, nothing stuck out about him; he was kind of bland with empty emotions...
  12. Red Ronso: If it will make people forget completely about Cloud JUST FOR ONCE and make them see OTHER people, okay! I was gonna vote for Zidane, anyway.
  13. Fyrmer: Because Zidane is my favourite main character out of the entires series.
  14. Kjffwiki: How can i say besides cool?
  15. Faethinverba volant *Laughs his head off*
  16. AnonyMan:Not much else to say that that already hasn't been said. Zidane's more likable, alot cooler, more badass, he's basically everything EVERY other FF protagonist wished they could be. He even goes throgh emotional breakdown better than anyone else(it was dramatic but brief with great music)...but that's mainly attributed to the fact "The Most Badass Crew in FF" fixed him back up. Yep, well be lucky if we'll ever see another FF Main as great as he is.
  17. Rihya - Both are cool, but Zidane is really one of the most kickass main characters in all of Final Fantasy history! He's a Thief, can use some of the greatest daggers ever, has a great Trance mode, and a fuckin' tail! Plus, he manages to stay cool during his 'depression moment', and makes a great comeback after it... And just to finish it, he's an angel of death who kicked the ass of Death itself!!
  18. I'm not fond of either, but I dont really like Cloud but I also prefer FFVII more than FFIX by a little bit. Still, this is a character fight so I'll vote for the one I hate the less. Maj. H
  19. Pinoyzidane There's too many reasons to list down why zidane tribal is the better main character. Just too much!! Zidane gets my vote, just one look at my username and you know who i'm voting for! GO ZIDANE!! GO! GO! GO!
  20. Tedtumbleweed I'm voting for Zidane because Final Fantasy 7 has a tendency to dominate. Cloud and Zidane are both great characters, but a more interesting competition would be Zidane v. Tidus (or maybe Vaan:) ). Cloud should face Squall.
  21. Karhunkynsi Cloud would just suffocate to Zidanes tail.
  22. Nomura:They're both good. But I like thieves. Also I associate Zidane with "Run!" and "You're Not Alone!" themes which are my favorites!!!
  23. Ultima The High Seraph: He has a TAIL. hehe
  24. Dancing Daggers: Since these guys are so different I can't really compare the two... so I'm just going to say that if I met them down the pub I would probably like Zidane more. (Also, I could start picking apart arguments on the Cloud side but I'll just stick with saying it's all biased and mostly wrong.)
  25. Alarielle : I've not playd much to IX, but I still go for the angel of death.
  26. Konira : As a lover of 9 and a non-lover of 7, I have to go with Zidane, he was playful, fune to use, had brilliant weapons and to the bitter end was a couragous hot head. Not to mention, he's got a good heart - I mean ,com on, he put up with Stiener and all his crazy rusty glory ;D
  27. ArableLadle : Zidane beats Cloud easily! Cloud is annoying moaner compared to Zidane.
  28. Draga: He has a tail, is a thief and isn't an angsty git......Score!
  29. I honestly loved Cloud in AC, but Zidane has always been overall better to me. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|20:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  30. arcanedude34: Eh. Cloud was a great lead, until AC when he became emo for no reason. Zidane was a good lead even WHEN he was emo (a total of twice throughout the game, if I recall correctly) Plus, Zidane's y favorite FF character, hands down. Therefore, I vote for Zidane.
  31. Dancin':I shall not allow the douchebag known as Cloud Strife WIN. I don't even know who Zidane is but he has my vote!
  32. Zidane is just a great guy. Even after all Kuja put him through, he still went back into the Lifa Tree to try and save him. Would Cloud do the same for Sephiroth? I think not. Plus his double-bladed Ultima Weapon beats Cloud's version of the sword anyday! Signed, Dougar
  33. VitoRyu: Zidane.
  34. Zidane is awesome. Don't mess with Zidane ScatheMote
  35. Easy choice. Dark Raven
  36. 'nuff said... UsmcRave99
  37. I like funny and upbeat way more than "I compensate for being an idiot by wearing a huge sword". Plus, me luv FFIX. Mangartist
  38. Pluto. : Zidane has more depth of character, and made a better hero.
  39. Yumino
  40. Hyacynth : Zidane is easily my favorite FF lead. He's funny, easy-going, and prone to teenage stupidity ("Ooh! Soft!" and "Do something drastic") without being a total bonehead. He's also incredibly competent, which isn't something you often see in the less "serious" FF leads. He's somewhere between old-school Cloud (none of this AC emo) and Tidus. They just don't write 'em like Zidane anymore.
  41. Dazuro : Ooh, soft! Zidane hell yeah. :D
  42. Darkling692 Dazuro is right! Zidane touched Garnet's ass, Cloud touches himself. Zidane all the way
  43. Goldberry2000: A proper main character, the likes of which have yet to be bested.
  44. I love Zidane. No contest. Yzz 16:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  45. Tacochickenwings 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Zidane can cop a feel and pee over a cliff. Women approve.
  46. TheChocobo: Ha Ha Ha Ha. I smile at the beauty of Zidane's domination over the free world. Or at least over Mr. Spikey~. I agree with Hyacynth and Tacochickenwings, they just don't come like Zidane anymore. W-a-r-k.
  47. Lockhart - I like Cloud. I really do . In fact, he's the second best hero in the series. The problem is that Zidane is the best. Best lead ever.
  48. Copycatloki :: Poor Cloud, but my vote goes to the Sly Eagle. Out of those two, I like Zidane more.
  49. CidTheFirst: He's an tenacious optimist, a ladies man and he makes a change from the angsty or clueless leads in some of the other installments.
Anonymous Votes[edit source]
  1. Even during Zidane's periods of depression, he makes a bang, and so begins the best scene in the book. Cloud's just.. fanservice.
  2. Got to say I instantly loved his character. He's so much different than the other protagonist. He’s a thief, uses two daggers sometimes, has an adorable tail, what's not to love? I really love his personality to and he makes me smile. I'll always like Cloud too, but Zidane beats everyone else in my book.
  3. Zidane is just fantastic along with the game he's from. He'll make a greater representative of what a Final Fantasy hero is.
  4. Hands down the best protagonist in the series, there's nothing I don't love about him.He has a kickass tail, it social and the complete opposite of emo, and he can do things that Cloud woule never do. I mean, would Cloud ever have the balls to steal a feel at Tifa's ass? I don't think so. Still Zidane's sady going to lose against the endless sea of mindless FVII fanboys.
  5. Zidane has had more women than Cloud, and got the woman he wanted :) plus he's 16 and did all that too!
  6. I vote for Zidane, gotta love him.
  7. I vote Zidane, of course!!
  8. Firstly, he has a tail. He's like a little monkey. Secondly, he's a nice person. Thirdly, he's a thief, and they're almost always awesome. Fourth, he's in FFIX, my favourite game in the series. Lastly, he is very different to the more famous other heroes and makes a nice change.
  9. My vote goes to Zidane, sure Cloud is cool on some levels with his Omnislash and being the first FF Protagonist on the Play Station, but I just liked Zidane's character better. Funny, charming and witty, a mite perverted but hey! - Musashi
  10. Being called "monkey boy" is far better than being called "emo"~ ;P Zidane for the win ♥
  11. ZIDANE TRIBAL aka ANGEL OF DEATH FOR THE WIN, reasons why. Free Energy = Godhood of Zidane, explained in Rin's Travel Agency! Zidane's Ultima Weapon = Double bladed, Godly & pwns Cloud's pussy-like Ultima Weapon. Final Fantasy IX while underrated = a very good RPG even tho the overrated Final Fantasy VII was good too. Personality = best as a main character from the Final Fantasy series. Being a thief = not the generic swordsman or whatever variation of it each game brings out. The tail = Monkey King Zidane. The pimpin' = he gets Garnet's babelicious ass & Freya's or sometime later in the future steals Beatrix from Steiner & in the end he's not a pussy like the rest of the main characters. He's not emo = he's just a fucking G!

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was some kind of regularity in when they fights get made? By this point calling them "weeks" seems like some sort of sad joke. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, if the last fight was made Friday, and this was made Monday, that's 1 week and 3 days, which is less than a week and a half, so technically if we round it's been a week... Okay, I'll shut up now. 8bit 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
That's not counting the weeks lost due to TacticAngel forgetting about this place. By now we must have lost a month of time. What do you say? Let's fire his ass! --BlueHighwind 00:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Woot! I'm all for it! Let's light the torches! - Deadlyslashsword
Hmm. Guy Fawkes' Day tommorrow. Let's light him up then. - Draga

I agree. The fights are getting totally irregular. Why don't we let BlueHighwind do it? BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

You guys seem to forget that Our Dearest Admin has, as opposed to most of the users around, a full-time job. Faethinverba volant
Good for him, I mean it, I'm only working part-time. But if he can't spare the time for the DNC, either as a consequence of his lifestyle or just plaing laziness, I should think he would understand if someone else was appointed to do so. I mean, Blue and I have pretty much been doing that for the last few months, although admittedly Blue's doing more than I am. BTW Blue, was gonna change the fight when I got home, but ya beat me to it. :p Drake Clawfang
I don't see the point of that reply. I said what I mentioned because BlueH and Deadly Slash Guy up there (although the latter was probably hinting irony) seemed to ignore the fact that there are quite a lot of things in a regular person's life other than the DNC. Faethinverba volant
I didn't change the fight. This is 8-Bit's doing. I was waiting for TacticAngel (who I can't imagine is anyone's "Dearest Admin" on any level) to come to me again. If he has a job, that's wonderful - for him. But it doesn't do much for getting the fights done on time, does it? --BlueHighwind 13:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any problem when those who're enthusiastic enough to help maintain this feature does so. I mean, we had a sysop who now chose to be unaffiliated with the wiki, and a bureaucrat who now finds solace in a new wiki and all his time is spent there, both their enthusiasm lost. If they want to handle it, why not? Bluer 17:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I resent that. All my reply was was complete sarcasm. No bad puns intended - Deadlyslashsword

Man, it's hard to choose which one is better. A pair of daggers and a big sword are really awesome but... -- MTC

I am predicting Zidane will take this one by a pretty large margin. Cloud got blown out by Balthier, and then he got blown out by Zack. I do not think he really has that much strength in the DNC.--Oranejo 03:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

So far none of the votes for Zidane mention his "Angel of Death" aspect. Which is good, because he's got so much awesome piled up that it doesn't add to it...if anything it takes away from it and it's not cool. If only FFIX wasn't one of the most overlooked games in the series. At least FFVIII has attention, even if it is overly negative. AnonyMan 07:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Clvabl: I hate cloud haters.06:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Krystal: Yeah, I'm annoyed by Cloud-haters, too. Sure Cloud has his moments, but the desire to protect those he loves makes him a true badass. Much like Auron as a matter of fact.
Zidane-haters are worse, if they don't hate him because of his awesome look. They usually can't get past seeing him as an annoying bug and fail to notice he's one of the kindest and most heroic character in the series.AnonyMan 22:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  1. Free bird 05:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC): This is a close one for me. Both of these protagonists have a lot of strenghts and are great heroes. This is one I'll actually have to think about and which game I like better 'cuz both VII and IX are immortal classics!

I find it highly ironic that some votes for Zidane state the 'over-populatity' of Cloud as their reason for voting RedMage

Who in their right mind would let Blue oversee these fights!

I'm not sure where people get off saying that Sephiroth is most powerful villain in the entire franchise. If Noruma or whoever it was said so, it was most likely to sell copies of the VII compilation. You know, it's not like Zidane defeated the true avatar of death, or Terra laid waste to a guy that absorbed the pillars of magic itself... oh wait, nevermind. They did do that. 8bit 23:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

They've just said Sephy is the most powerful being in Final Fantasy VII's world. Which makes him even a worse villain than ever, to have the creators declare him the strongest and for him to keep getting his ass kicked. Drake Clawfang
Advent Children was garbage, but if Sephiroth won, he'd take over the universe= end of compilation= no more money. And besides Masamune=pwn. CHaosEsperVII
I think that Drake missed the point. Sephiroth is supposed to be the end-all, superpowered, badass, God so that the player will want to beat him. Which would you rather fight: Some little sub-demon in a cave, or the ultimate power of the universe? --BlueHighwind 01:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
That still doesn't explain why Sephiroth is lauded as the most powerful villain of all time. Of course he's better than Black Waltz and Hidon, but how is he stronger (key word) than Necron or Kefka? "Better" or "more likable" is your opinion, but I don't see where he's especially omnipowerful compared to other Final Bosses. 8bit 02:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Comparing powers is a waste of time. I'd say that most Final Bosses are equal in their easiness to defeat. Sephiroth's power is the same power as the Joker. His popularity gives him immortality. Necron (who I never saw to be very powerful at all, plot-wise) will stay in his grave forever because nobody likes him. --BlueHighwind 02:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
No, Blue, to borrow one of your phrases: "the contrivances of the plot make Sephiroth immortal". And "end-all, superpowered, badass, God" - except he wasn't the first, third, and fell short of the fourth. As for comparing powers, in the end every Final Fantasy villain dies or otherwise is defeated, so really, none of them are that great. Come to think of it, Golbez, Kuja and Edea are the ones who never died, so they're the best I supposed. Hell, Kuja actually killed the party, so there's your ultimate bad-ass! Drake Clawfang
Sephiroth never died either. As long as Jenova cells exist, so will Sephiroth. Plus Sephiroth isn't another "I want to destroy everything" antagonist. He wants to be a god and rule over all. And I ask Zidane vote #32, Why would Cloud want to save Sephiroth after all he put him through? ChaosEsperVII
You're right in a certain way : as cloud deafeates Sephy himself, he won't save him juste after killing him. But Zidane didn't really kill Kuja, so saving him is a way of showing how heroic and kind Zidane is. Oh, and Drake, I think some people saying Sephiroth is the strongest actually mean he's one of the most charismatic, with a personnality which make you hate him. Or somethng like that. I don't know, for me Kuja is a better villain ^^. Alarielle
Nah, it's more like people proclaim that becuase since AC and afterward everything's way over-the-top and had Sephiroth cleave through buildings, lots of people assume that he's the strongest villain in the series...or in some cases ever. He's the most pathetic villian since he keeps losing to someone who is so far below him. I also agree Kuja's a bett...wait the best villain. AnonyMan 12:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I can't give credit to Advent Children, but even as a human, Sephiroth was strong. In Crisis Core he was cleaving buildings in half. And when his body died, his will overpowered Jenova's instinct. And if he was able to stop Holy by himself, you gotta give him credit. I'm not saying he may be the strongest villain, but I'll say again FFVII's power curve is higher than any other when you have guys that could jump hundreds of feet in the air, an immortal, guy who fights an entire army etc. etc. And besides time and time again, Sephiroth's weakness is his arrogance, and the full extent of his power hasn't been shown yet. ChaosEsperVII
Yeah, he's done some big feats. None of the other FF's really have that visual direction that they've given VII(even It wasn't always like that). Only thing close to doing it is Dissidia. Most FFGame verses are one the same level as VII's power curve like VI, and VIII. If any other FF got as much attention they'd be throwing buildings around too. AnonyMan 17:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I see where you guys are going but think about it, Kuja, Kefka, Exdeath, Golbez, all of them, they only had one time to prove themselves the greatest and how many games was Sephiroth in? I will admit, he's got something going for him but I ddon't see how he's the greatsest, I personally think Kefka holds that cup - maybe even Kuja and Necron, and what of Zeromus? Popularity shouldn;t determine who is best. Konira
What Sesshiroth has going for him are blind fanboys who got their FF cherries popped on the PlayStation and praise him like the God he thinks he is. Like it says in the rant of my userpage, somehow he's managed to ride his own coattails for the past ten years. Enough is enough. Drake Clawfang
All I'm saying is that Sephiroth still hasn't shown us everything, whereas Zeromus or Exdeath or Chaos has. I'm not saying he's stronger than them because they are basically gods and he was almost one. I'm just pointing out that we currently cannot gauge his power. And damn the fanboys, I like everything in 7 because it revolutionized RPGs and I felt that it was the best game I've ever played. I agree with IGN in that it suffers now from overexposure. The 7th Chaos Esper only puts out the facts. ChaosEsperVII
Not to continue this further.I think that "true power unknown" proclamation is pure BS, and was just made so SE doesn't upset blind die-hard fans from thinking that Sephiroth isn't the end-all-be-all villain. AnonyMan 01:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Probably true, but we can only see in the next sequel. And I don't think Dissidia would be a reliable scale. They're going to make everyone the same strength to balance the game. I mean, I like Squall and all, but SOLDIER>SeeD.ChaosEsperVII
Don't shortchange VIII just yet, SeeDs just as revered as SOLDIER was. They basically have their equivalent of Mako and J-Cells with GFs and Junction(just alot more user-friendly). Squall going up against Sephiroth in that trailer is not far-fetched as all, more like fianlly giving him his dues. AnonyMan 12:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Squall's always had his dues. His problem was that he had a tough act to follow. Come on now, how was Squall suppossed to compete with one of the best (and I use that word with a grain of salt) RPGs ever? - Deadlyslashsword
Don't get me wrong, SeeD is good, but SOLDIER has J-Cells plus mako plus materia on top of that. And I agree, people hate FF8 because they thought it would live up to FF7. Oh but I do hate Ultimecia. ChaosEsperVII

Sephiroth isn't the strongest FF villain, but he isn't the weakest either. He surpassed death, merged with Jenova, absorbed the Black Materia, is even stronger than the Weapons, and can fight with the party while summoning Meteor and holding back Holy. He deserves some credit.

You are right, he's not weak, but he's human. Genetically modified, but human. He survived death ? Chaos, Emperor Mateus, Xande (stopping time), Exdeath, even Yu Yevon have done that. Notice I chose some ridiculous villains such as Xande and Yu Yevon to prove you it's no reason to think he's stronger… Merged with Jenova ? Emperor becomes Emperor of Hell just after dying, while it took Sephy many years to manipulate his mom. For the rest, there doesn't exist many comparison, but you see what I mean : few villains have done something the others haven't. I don't want to find out the strongest villain, I think it's stupid to compare people coming out from different worlds with different rules. Alarielle
It didnt take him many years to manipulate Jenova. He found out, burned Nibelheim, decapitated her, fell into lifestream, then took her over. All in a fews days hard work.... Or not. And being human doesn't mean anything, many of FF's humans are incredibly powerful. ChaosEsperVII

I agree with Alarielle but for the 7 haters Sephiroth let Cloud win in AC.In he > than Kuja.& Cloud will in a real fight. User:Clvabl

There's only two options - Sephiroth took control of Jenova right away and sat on his ass for five years before using her to look for the Black Materia, or it took him five years to take control of her. Jenova was the real villain of the game. Sephiroth controlled Jenova, just as Zemus controlled Golbez and Ultimecia controlled Edea. And just like Zemus and Ultimecia, Sephiroth sat on his ass letting his avatar do the work for him while he napped in his crystal. Very lame. Drake Clawfang
Jenova wasn't the real villain, just like Edea (though I wished she was). Jenova and Sephiroth are basically one. ChaosEsperVII

NO Jenove was the main villain she brain wash Sephiroth when he went crazy. Clvabl

Agreed with drake. If he overthrew Jenova in a few days, I want to know why he wait for Cloud's team to be set up to start destroying the game. And if Jenova, The Calamity fallen from the skies (or something like that - I don't know English name), is not a real villain, tell me what she is. Yet you're right saying she's not FFVII main villain, because she's kind of asleep. And that is WORSE about Sephy : he took 5 years to control something almost dead. And, no, she didn't brain wash Sephy... Alarielle PS : I want to remember people that, for me, Sephy is FF's second best main villain after Kuja (look my userpage), so I don't criticize him because I don't like him.
Well, taking 5 years to control Jenova can not really be a knock against Sephiroth, considering no one else in the VII universe is able to do it. =P --Oranejo 18:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Amen... Jenova is the villain in the sense that her viral instincts want to infect the planet and destroy all life. However, Sephiroth's will overcomes Jenova's instincts and uses them for his own personal agenda. The whole point of the game is to stop Sephiroth and Meteor, killing Jenova is just a bonus. Therefore, Sephiroth is the main villain. Actually, Hojo is because he's directly responsible for all the wrong within the Compilation, but thats a story for another day...Or never. ChaosEsperVII
That's actually true about Hojo. I follow the stench of evil back to the first carrier. Sephiroth is an insane SOLDIER who wants to be a God. He is the son of, and experiment, of Hojo. Hojo in turn did these experiments that jeopardized the planet using Jenova's cells. Without Jenova, Hojo's evil would likely not have been so consequential. Plus, Jenova killed off the Ancients, and it was to fight her that the Weapons were created, and she created the Northern Crater where Sephiroth went to use Meteor. One way or the other, Jenova directly or indirectly caused all the problems the planet faced. Drake Clawfang

Sephiroth isn't human anymore. He merged with Jenova, becoming one with her. The Compilation Ultimania states that "Sephiroth synthesized with Jenova to complete his revival", and this quote is about the real Sephiroth, the one at the Northern Crater, and at the core of the planet. Not to mention that he is using Jenova cells and corrupted Mako(Kadaj) to form his body, in AC He is far from human.

True in the later parts of the story. But in Crisis Core, for instance, he is human with Jenova's cells. But he's more human than Genesis or Angeal. Actually, many FF villains are huma and want to/do become gods or something like that. I just want to show he's not particularly strong or special. Alarielle

In Crisis Core(and Before Crisis) Sephiroth wasn't a full Jenova-being, because he hadn't fully merged with Jenova yet, but he wasn't 100% human. Pre-Nibel Sephiroth was a hybrid. When his body and cells were being formed(in the womb of Lucrecia) he was injected with J-cells, and because of that, his celular structure changed. As an adult, Jenova was already part of his DNA, and that's why Genesis wanted his cells, when Genesis couldn't find J-cells. Because S-cells and J-cells are very similar. Then Sephiroth fell in the Lifestream, learned how to control the J-cells, and used the Reunion to get the Black Materia, AND synthesize with the rest of the J-cells, becoming a full Jenova-being. Well, my point is... Sephiroth was never human.

And each FF villain is strong and special in their own way.

Week 91: Ultimecia v. Cloud of Darkness[edit source]

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Its the battle of generally unpopular female antagonists or evil b*#(@es no one really cares about. This battle occurs at the bottom of the villain barrel. Who will be the queen of filth!?

Votes for Ultimecia[edit source]

  1. first vote! :D Ulti gets my vote because I like her idea of Time Compression. It's way much cooler than World Domination.SilverSummoner 00:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  2. Sigh... poor impudent harlot.... wait, which one am I talking about? Ah yes, Ultimecia because she's currently losing badly. This is my revenge for having "Particle Beam" slaughter my party several times over. Plus, "The Extreme" isn't a bad piece of music either. Don't be mad! I haven't played VIII! I don't know anything!!!! Don't scream at me T_T 8bit 03:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. Ultimecia's a bitch. I hated her because she never was important until THE END of the game. But since she haven't been in the DNC, and I'm HUGE FFVIII fan, minus well support her. Besides, COD is a slut! Squallinoa 08 03:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  4. Who? --Maverick King 05:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  5. Even though I like Cloud of Darkness a whole hell of a lot more, I must give my vote to Ultimecia, the sole reason being that she possessed Edea, and I hate Edea with a flaming passion. - Deadlyslashsword
  6. Ameria: Am I the only person who actually liked Ultimecia?
  7. SilverMage: See, I'm voting for the IDEA of Ultimecia, not the overall character. The idea is good. Time Compression, possessing people, destroying all things except for herself, Sorceress of all time- everything about her concept I agree with, and she could've been the best villain in the series. But the execution was shit, so she was a mediocre villain. Cloud of Darkness was an alright villain, but unoriginal. Ultimecia gets my vote solely because she suffered from strong concept but poor execution. Just like the rest of Final Fantasy VIII. Wasted potential.
  8. She doesn't deserve all this hatred. Dark Raven
  9. Rydiaofmist: I'm one of the few people who really liked her.
  10. Rihya - Yeah, both are lame final bosses that make no sense within the story, but CoD makes even less sense than Ultimecia! Everyone is saying that Ultimecia just pops up at the final battle, but on the beginning of Disc 3 you already knew she existed, and knew she was the main villain behind everything. You had enough time to gather hatred towards her for controlling Rinoa and leaving her to die in space. CoD on the other hand just falls out of nowhere after the real villain of the game is destroyed. Also, Ultimecia has a kickass castle that was one of the coolest final dungeons so far, and had Griever, the most kickass 'evil pet' so far!
  11. Mr. Rojo: I really like Ultimecia, I know she appers til the end of the game, but if you think it her character was here since the beginning of it. I found her situation interesant. Also, it's one of my favorite final fights and games. :)
  12. AnonyMan: She's right under Kuja as far as villains goes. She was one of the best Final Boss(es) in ther series(she's even mean enough to force who starts fighting her). People who think she just showed up at the end of VIII really need to pay attention, she was running the show from Disc 1(she was there just in another sort) and has motive. CoD? Appears at the end and has zero personality. Hell even comparing her to Ultimecia is an insult to her. She's more like Zeromus or Necron. Lastly she made Edea badass if very evil(yeah, that was her) the music is pretty cool too.
  13. Alarielle: It's hard for me to vote this time, but I'll go for Ultimecia, because the idea of Time Compression was just so great compared to reducing the world to nothingness and all that stuff CoD wanted.
  14. Terra_Homing: Battling her was epic! There was great music and impossible bosses and that bloody apocalypse attack! She forces your party as well, just to make it that little bit harder!
  15. PhoenixDew: Hmm, I have to support Ultimecia, because unlike COD who literally didn't show up until the ending of the game, Ultimecia was there the whole time. She was just in disguise of Edea. And since I think Edea was freaking awesome, that means it was really Ultimecia who was so awesome.
  16. Vanishing Star Well, of course. I've actually played this game. Never played III. She was a really awesome boss. But, I agree with SilverMage. :) .
  17. Tedtumbleweed: I haven't played 3, but it's clear Ultimecia is the better villain. CoD just isn't in the same class. Plus she had the best pet ever.
  18. MrAllStar2: I no ultimecia was a confusing character, but she can control time and ppl, cmon!! she cud control CoD if she wanted to
  19. Aleria;
  20. Jammi568: At least she has the decency to put some clothes on. Plus, she has one of the more original ideas in the series.
  21. MardukKurios: Super Cool Design with a real unique evil purpose - controlling all forms of time is more creepy than just dominate the world... Also I only know her and I only heard that Cloud of Darkness just appears in the End of FF3 with never being noticed in the entire Game... thats a bit... well... Ultimecia ROCKS!!!! And the best aspect is Guardian Force Griever and she posses the most devastating magic you only can draw in the Final Fight - Apocalypse!!!! What do I have to tell you more? Ultimecia ist just awesome!
  22. AvaGirl: Hm. I don't have much of a reason...
  23. Free bird 01:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC) : I thought Sorceress Ultimecia was a pretty cool villain. She was revolutionary, in a way, in that she was present throughout the entire game (in Edea's body) and Time Compression was a completely new idea that should be featured and improved upon in future FF games. Yes, FFVIII is my favorite FF!
  24. Mr_Darkide Ms.Ultimecia was the 2nd best vallin of all time after Mr.Sephiroth.
  25. Zordrac If Satan had a wife, Ultimecia would be her...
  26. Pluto.: She was the more difficult to beat, and the Time Compression thing was really cool.
  27. User:clvabl:She's cooler then Edea & do not delete my vote.
  28. BornfromDarkness20:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  29. Copycatloki 13:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC) :: Ultimecia gets my vote. Finally a villian who had something else on her mind than world domination. All power to the Descendant of Hyne.
  30. Ultimecia is Sorceress Edea. Edea sucks when she isn't the villain, but it's Ultimecia when she is. So even though she's sporting another body, it's Ultimecia you love. I like Ulti regardless though. I Lion Heart I
  31. recino Realy? CoD v.s. Ultimecia? CoD honestly looks like ultimecia's sluty daughter and besides which if those 2 meet Ultimcia would just use her time compression powers to toss CoD in to a bleak and dissmel future to rot and die
  32. Twilight_rain I haven't played any of the games these villains are in, but I must say that Time Compression sounds like the coolest thing a villain could do. Ever.
  33. Theentertainer Only because she has griever which is one of my favorite summons and we have yet to see it in another game. if its so powerful why is it restricted to FF8???
  34. mateo360 As much as she was a pain to fight, I have to admit she is the better of the two since she has a reason she is evil. Time Compression.
  35. Pinoyzidane Ultimecia is definitely the ultimate "unpopular female antagonist or evil b*#(@e" ... or "queen of filth."
  36. Sinh 03:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  37. Konira My vote is for Ultimecia, I never got to actually fight her - or even see her for that matter but from what I've read, she's got a lot more backgrounf going for her then 'I will destroy the world!' like CoD.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Ultimecia had some of the best end-game music in the entire series and Time Compression and The Castle were I have to say I'm voting for Ultimecia's castle and the whole time compression theory, rather then the B-word herself.
  2. Time compression = Unique. World Domination = Not so unique.
  3. ULTIMECIA over Cloud of Darkness. Iono they both look pretty good but CoD looks like a Hentai character with those tentacles. But yeah Time Compression is not so generic like World Domination. Plus Ultimecia controlled Edea who is very lovable :]
  4. I vote for Ultimecia. She's way better than CoD, and i will never get why ppl are so bitter against her.
  5. Only cause III > VIII for me.
  6. Definately Ultimecia, while I can agree that she's not so "REVEALING" as CoD (seriously, is that a main reason alot choose her? ^^; ), and that her past could have been explained alot better in the game -May I pray for Square Enix to make a sequel to FFVIII that will explain it all- The main reason I vote for her is because in all honesty, she was known in the game waay before the party came face to face with her, possessing Edea and that red haired... Person, whatever that guy's name is. Ultimecia ALL THE WAY!!!
  7. Definitely more original that Cloud of Darkness. World domination... So cliche. Ultimecia wins. By a LONG shot.
  8. Ultimecia of course! She rocked and besides, Final Fantasy VIII was just better. And hi everyone! New here, just signed up. Lol.
  9. Let's see... One who acted since the start, but remained unknown until nearly the end Vs. One who was created after the defeat of the true villain, and not even follows the same goal, not to mention that her relation with the former villain are non-existent (except created by his acts). That's easy for me.
  10. Ultimecia was there during the whole story, using another body. CoD appeared out of nowhere, only at the end of the game.
  11. the design everyone is fawning over of CoD wasn't even used in the original game, everything about her is an afterthought, Ultimecia on the other hand is a key being within the game causing true destruction and has a real persona and reason for looking as she does, she believes it makes her beautiful. CoD is just a sparsely dressed nobody.
  12. Just a great villain.

Votes for Cloud of Darkness[edit source]

  1. Hmm...The Black Mages version of her boss battle music kicked major ass, as far as songs that kick ass are concerned. Also, she's pretty much naked...she's got that going for her. Yep, theme music and nudity. --Rattlehead 05:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  2. I like CoD better than Ultimecia...Mana0803 14:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. CoD seems fairly cool in Dissidia, while Ultimecia is the stain of VIII, and considering VIII itself is a stain on the series, that's pretty bad. Drake Clawfang
  4. Blykus: I don't mind either of them like most seem to, but neither of them are my favorite at the same time. My vote will go to Cloud of Darkness due to her sheer bad-assery and ability to relentlessly mess my party up. And, let's face it -- her Dissidia artwork is hot.
  5. PeanutLord 00:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC) Cloud of Darkness is naked in her original game. That's enough to give her my vote.
  6. Faethinverba volant :Even though I'm one of those rare users who actually likes Ultimecia, I'm voting for the trashy slut villain whose theme gets the greatest guitar solo ever performed by Square's own King of Rock.
  7. Yumino
  8. Oranejo 00:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  9. BlueHighwind: Which one isn't Ultimecia? I'm on that side.
  10. ScatheMote I won't vote for Ultimecia because she sucks.
  11. RadLink5: Yeah, Cloud of Darkness is pretty cool for not appearing until the very end of the game, what with her whole "I want to make everything disappear" goals. Also her clothing options range from incredibly revealing to naked.
  12. I've whooped her butt at least nine times. BlueLionheart 03:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart
  13. I give Cloud of Darkness some credit for being a really, really, really hard final boss. I had to go from level 50 to 60 just to beat her. 60!!--ChiefKakashi 05:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  14. Fyrmer: Cloud of Darkness has tentacles. That alone makes her cooler than Ultimecia. All Ulti's got are wings. Wings have been done way too many times.
  15. Can't wait untill Dissidia where i can slaughter Ultimecia with Sephiroth and Warrior of Light Rocking Chair
  16. Ultima The High Seraph: You can see one of her boobs in the picture. She may have really sucked in the game but, you can see her boobs. And plus Ultimecia was far worse than her.
  17. Tzui20: In the original game you were´nt not able to get to know much about her, but now she can show what kind of villain she really is! And her orginal color theme is back... greeeeeeeen.
  18. Gamer2127: I don't like either, but I don't like CoD less...or something.
  19. Pikmin Master:...This one, I guess...
  20. Pablo618: I Lol'd at the introduction and I am so looking forward for CoD in Dissidia
  21. Cloudofdarkness ^_^ Heh, do I need to explain myself?
  22. Nomura I HATE ULTIMECIA!!!! She really-really SUCKS!!! Go on, Cloud of Darkness, turn this WITCH into the void!!!!
  23. Dark Paladin Danny I LOVE CoD, she's awesome, birght green and has one of THE best battle themes ever ^^
  24. Sanctiel Ultimecia's goal is some confusing time thing while CoD has one simple goal: kill everything.
  25. ChaosEsperVII Ultimecia's only saving grace is her final music. Alas, that isn't enough. Seriously? Taking Edea out of the picture is like when they took Mulder out of X files.
  26. Sora G. Strife: I say, heads, or heads? No questions here.
  27. Yath: Eh, CoD was alot harder. 1st time: Instant pwn. 2nd time: a bit longer for that pwn to come. Her theme kicks ass, and the only non-corpreal final boss that can be damaged.
  28. Yzz Ultimecia confused the shit outta me, with all the manipulation and time compression... I've hated her ever since I played the game. Now, CoD on the other hand, she has just one, simple, straight-forward goal: Get rid of everything and make the world nothing. Yeah, she did come out of nowhere, but it makes sense if you allow it to, you know? Plus, CoD looks waaaay cooler.
  29. lost-myth i know some of the story line for VIII but i have ffIII and well i've seen some videos and i choose the cloud of darkness cause she wants 2 destroy everything, no cause he is hot or anything (most of the ppl who voted for both characters)
  30. Myself 123 00:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC). She's wearing less clothes.....STOP JUDGING ME!!!
  31. HighwindAsylum I haven't gotten to the point where I fight either of them, but I like FF3 better than 8.
  32. Lessee... Battle theme, Looks, Difficulty, Ultimate attack, Game they're in, Reason to destroy everything, Lack of clothes... I think CoD wins in everything. --SCM
  33. Eh. CoD had no backstory, but cme from a game not too plot heavy compared to FFVIII. I can forgive that--Otherarrow 12:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  34. Karhunkynsi Well, FF8 is better as a game, but Ultimecia is just pathetic and sad.
  35. Pete11: Yeah Cloud of Darkness is the best man i know, and i think she´s hot like a hotdog, ultimecia is too female.
  36. BigSlurp Yeah Cloud of Darkness looks trashier, so we'll go with her. Not that either one of these is really worth voting on for anything.
  37. JudgeZarbi TALK
  38. VitoRyu: I don't get why people hate CoD's motive. While Ultimecia CHOSE to compress time for no explained reason, CoD's reason was there all along, she was CREATED to destroy everything.
  39. Lockhart: Meh. This kind of feels like the upcoming election day, I don't really want to vote for either.
  40. Arcanedude34: One of the happiest days of my life (or the month I guess) was when I finally got to pummel Cloud of Darkness. And die. And die again. And again and again and then FINALLY won. Ultimecia was just lame.
  41. I haven't played VIII yet, but I know enough of Ultimecia to make my vote, Cloud of Darkness is better and looks better (although I think Time Compression is better than World Destruction).CoD gets my VoteCecil
  42. 3 was a much better game than 8, so I'mma have to go for Cloud of Darkness here.Lord Ryu the Great

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I Think COD is more cool,plus,i think she is more powerful and she meant to destroy the world,Ultimecia SUCKS!
  2. Cloud of Darkness is just the better female antagonist in final fantasy dissidia! CoD´s the winner!
  3. lol, Ultimecia.
  4. I like the music when your up against Cloud of Darkness better.
  5. Particle Beam-9999x4-Your party has been defeated...
  6. CoD kick her ass!!! oh wait he´s to tiny... kick her boobs!!!
  7. FF3 is WAAAAAAYYY better than FF8
  8. Best Boss EVER!!!

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Cluna06: Miss Tomlin does not have any comments about these villianesses at this time.

Oh Devil i don't know who to vote for Rocking Chair

After listening to CoD's theme, I don´t agree, Faethin. Kick-ass. Reminds me of Zero's theme from Megaman X in a way. Drake Clawfang

I love the fight summary :) 8bit 03:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, disciple, remember how you said before in Tifa vs Setzer, that Sephiroth doesn't appear in the game that much? Ultimecia appears even less. You don't even see what she looks like until the final battle. Drake Clawfang

Anyone else totally unsuprised by the last fight's outcome? BlueLionheart 03:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

It's pretty obvious COD is gonna win. Besides, COD is hella sexi, for a slut. Squallinoa 08 05:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Ultimecia doesnt appear untill right at the end of the game but so does Cloud Of Darkness. In fact on that matter 3 crystals in and all you know about Xande is that he wants the crystals destroyed and he isnt even the main villian. Both are pretty shocking villians but in Ultimecia's defense she was kind of there for the whole game even if it was apparently possesing someone which is total bullshit. Actually screw all that Ultimecia's shocking im voting COD! John Lennon would of done the same.Rocking Chair

Seriously, both are lame villains compared to the last two. You hardly even know they exist till they magically appear out of nowhere in front of your crew babling how they want to destroy everything. Even their goal is stupid: Who in their right mind wants to destroy everything but themselves? At least others like Kefka wants to own everything, they gain something from their goal. I bet people's votes here are mainly based on the game or the looks, no more. Maj. H

They both look really similar anyways. I haven't played III, but I don't like it when they take out a major character and replace it with a weaker character. Imagine them taking out Sephiroth or Jecht and replacing them with Team Rocket. ChaosEsperVII]

Both are cool but I vote fo COD

Zack fair 007 Its tough. 2 females that ARE VILLAINS and from a game thats NOT VII OR 10....that like pitting against Jenova or something...

Oh yeah, Cloud of Darkness has one of the best battle themes I've heard in Final Fantasy, loved it ever since I played Chocobo Racing ^^ Dark Paladin Danny

There's something I've been wanting to ask. I've been coming here, alot and I been always wanting to know: "How do you guys tally the votes?" Squallinoa 08 02:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Um....count them? Drake Clawfang
U know but how? I mean, in the Gabranth vs Golbez fight, Golbez had 42 user votes and 8 anonymous votes, which gives a total of 50 votes. Golbez won by 46 1/2 votes. How is that possible and how do you guys calcalate it? Squallinoa 08 13:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC), we count them? Anon votes are worth half a point, user votes are worth one, haven't you ever picked that up? Drake Clawfang
but gabranth had 28 user votes and 7 anonymous votes, technically that's 35 or using your maths that's 31 1/2, how come it tallied up as 23 1/2? not that i voted gabranth, i voted the other side, just your maths sucks.
read the answer before answering, please. 28 user and 7 anon votes makes 28+3,5 = 31,5. They are wrong, and so are you. Don't criticize what you can't make better. Alarielle
i said it was 31.5.
Oh i c. Seems kinda difficult to count. An anon point is 1/2. So two anon points is 1 pt? UH! It's so difficult! Squallinoa 08 03:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ever notice that even though COD has more votes, all of them together take up less space than all of Ultimecia's vote? Can this somehow be worked into the scoring? Like, a lot of people who voted for CoD was like "She's naked." or "Ultimecia sucks." However those who voted for Ultimecia actually gave REASONS why they think Utlimecia is better. This system is flawed, man. - Deadlyslashsword

No. --BlueHighwind 19:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)]
"Flawed", says the man who's fighter of choice is losing. Drake Clawfang
So what? I'm just bringing up an issue I felt no one else was going to address. And for the record, I very nearly voted for CoD. Did you even read my vote? Let's just poke fun at me because who I voted for is losing! You guys are awesome. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. - Deadlyslashsword
Well, you accuse the system of being flawed when your side is losing. What are we supposed to think? Drake Clawfang
Maybe that I'm actually bringing up a valid claim? Believe me, I'm not going to bullshit you guys just over a stupid DNC battle. That would be retarded. - Deadlyslashsword
Hey, don't include me in Drake's need to get into an argument with at least one person every single day. I just said "No". Which is all you need to say. --BlueHighwind 20:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, not to jab at your character or anything, but we've had DNC fights over dumber things than this. Drake Clawfang
Yeah, I can think of a few now that you mention it. And sorry Blue, for dragging you into this. I thought TacticAngel was in charge of the DNC though? - Deadlyslashsword
Officially yes, but when was the last time you saw him here to do anything besides changing the fight? Blue and I keep the place tidy for him. Drake Clawfang
Ah. Fair point. - Deadlyslashsword
I'm not staff here or anything, but even I can see why "let's judge it by who has more stuff written in their vote box" is wrong. It's too late now to change the rules since most people didn't write-up long reasons for their votes under the assumption it wouldn't matter. Also if it were based on which character had a longer box, people would stretch their votes out as long as they could and deciding what counted as an actual reason and what didn't would be totally subjective. Last but not least, it's a popularity contest, not a debate match. - RadLink5
I'm not staff, or even remotely important on here but i agree with RadLink5, if we did change the rules i know I'd write whole paragraphs just so I'd get a win. I'm sad like that and I'm sure others are the same. We can't change it in the middle of a fight anyway. Sorry Deadlyslashsword. - Terra_Homing

OMG Ultimecia is in the edge of losing... SilverSummoner 12:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The battle description is a bit annoying, are all colloseum descriptions so biased? Cloud of Darkness happens to be one of my favourite villains *Loves FF3 nearly as much as 6) Dark Paladin Danny
I felt the same way about the battle description. There are some people who like one or both of those villains, and the description is blatantly disrespectful towards their opinions. Rydiaofmist
The description is supposed to be funny, lighten up. Speaking of funny, did someone really just compliment Cloud of Darkness by calling her "hot like a hotdog"? XD - RadLink5

Ultimecia is really gonna lose... She's gonna lose just because she put more clothes on her body...SilverSummoner 06:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Pretty Much. Things like this happen, plenty of DNC bouts end up like that. Like Freya vs. Fran. Freya is by all counts the better character but most of the votes for Fran(who won) was that she looked "better". AnonyMan 21:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
People are free to have their reasons to think one thing is better than the other. Though I do think if enough people liked Ultimecia she shouldn't have a problem beating such an obscure villain no matter how naked she may be. FF8 is just generally unpopular around here for one reason or another. - RadLink5
aaannd.... what is the reason exactly? Because she wears more clothes? :D SilverSummoner 02:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL @ anon vote #6 for Ultimecia! 8bit 17:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't they use Xande as the main villain opposing the FFIII hero? COD never appeared till the end of the game, and yet she's gonna appear in Dissidia. Squallinoa 08 01:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought the same thing! The only reasons I can think of are that they wanted more than two females out of a cast of twenty, or they thought Cloud of Darkness was just cooler and they wanted a chance to expand her beyond "That final boss from FF3". - RadLink5
Most likely the former reason. If they went by the latter then Zeromus and Necron might as well be on the roster. AnonyMan 17:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
This is true, but Kuja and Golbez are badasses, Xande is not. He wants to destroy the world because he's been given mortality instead of great powers ? Yeah, it looks like Kuja, but Kuja has a personnality. I also don't remember having seen Xande before reaching the Crystal Tower : before that you only HEAR about him, so he's not better han Ultimecia. Alarielle

If more people paid attention to FFVIII's story, they would vote in Ultimecia. Because during CD 1, and 2, she was Edea. Ultimecia was there from the start, and for that reason, is much more developed than Cloud of Darkness.

I guess some people just hate that game for it. Like me. Though I also hate it for sixteen other things, so yeah. --BlueHighwind 01:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Cloud of Darkness also was there from the start. She caused the earthquake.
No, that was Xande, as he did everything that happens in III. CoD appears only at the end, when the World of Darkness is opened by Xande. Alarielle
You are wrong. The time also was stopped for Xande. My source? Unei and the Warriors of Darkness. Cloud of Darkness appears when the world was covered by darkness, and she caused the earthquake. Read the script please. --Sinh 19:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

How can Ultimecia be an unpopular female antagonist that no one cares about, if the "evil" sorceress Edea from the first half of FFVIII, have alot of fans? They are the same person. Through Edea, Ultimecia IS popular.

Maybe, but with or without Ultimecia, Edea is still hotter. --BlueHighwind 19:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't you think it's time to get the winner decided? it's monday already... usually there's new fight every monday.. SilverSummoner 03:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually TacticAngel is as inconsistant as an old man's bowel movements when making new fights. You may have to wait another week. --BlueHighwind 03:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Aren't you saying this because it gives you the hope that tie won't be said ? We all know how much you like Ulti ^^ Alarielle

WOW, a tie! I thought everyone hated Ultimecia?! Oh well, now i know what the outcome of this fight is. Give thanks to me because I suggested this fight! Squallinoa 08 03:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I know this thread has come and gone a long time ago, but I'd like to add a final thought to this battle page and appeal, perhaps, for a tie breaker. You see, CoD is, I think, the paragon of female badassery. What is my proof, you say? You see those yellow tentacle monsters that are coming out of her midsection? Those aren't just random creatures that are tethered to her body, my friends. Those things are ovaries. You remember her signature attack, Particle Beam? Yeah, she shoots those out of her ovaries. In Dissidia, she also bludgeons her enemies with them, doing damage that is often enough to overcome armor. This is the female equivalent of steel testicles that you can beat someone over the head with and shoot rockets out of. Anyway, just a thought... -Elliot



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