The voting for the following battles is closed. The record of the match is kept here for posterity.

Week 90: Judge Gabranth v. Golbez[edit source]

46½ to 23½
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Let's try something crazy this week and not have a Final Fantasy VII character involved in any way. Tonight, we have two men desperately trying their best to be Darth Vader. Who is the most shameless imatator?

Votes for the Judge Magister[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind Golbez never "did it" for me. He's dull. Gabranth on the other hand, has such great lines as "Your life, ends at my blade!"
  2. YuanSaluto!Acta 01:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. I always mistaken Golbez for Garland, maybe for the not so great lines they use. Gabrant on the other hand have loads of awesome lines like "All was stripped from me! Only the hatred for the brother who fled our homeland remains mine!". And Gabranth's past is better than Golbez's. Leon5550
  4. ChiefKakashi: Golbez was a let down later in the game...
  5. Seems right. VERY TOUGH CHOICE! --Maverick King 23:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  6. Master Conjurer: This'n doesn't seem to try so hard to pull of the Darth look.
  7. Tex HOWDY!!! 03:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  8. Lockhart - "Lady Ashe, your father's murderer is here!" Gabranth has some epic lines. "Do the dead not demand justice?!?"
  9. Zaon50: Gabranth was an amazing character throughout the game, and the end really brought it together IMO.
  10. DVRDNR: I never played FFIV! Besides, Gabranth pulls off the Vader-look easy. The horns, the lack of the force abilities and the hoo-haah IYKWIM make the difference between them. Plus, teh Judge Magisters rule!
  11. Dark Raven: Yeah, my fight, finally.
  12. ScatheMote 13:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Gabranth was a joke when you fought him, but he wasn't thrown from the spotlight by a Necron-esc villain.
  13. ArableLadle: Two words: Gabranth is cooler
  14. Pablo618: Well, Golbez and Gabranth were both awesome characters but I might say that I like Gabranth more, his fights were really entertaining and he is such a noble guy. His voice made my shiver at times too
  15. AvaGirl10Roses: I've never played Final Fantasy IV... but still, Gabranth is amazing. And, like everyone else said, he has EPIC quotes. "Why do you forsake that which you must hold most precious?" and "You have grown thin Basche. Less than a shadow. Less than a man."
  16. Kjffwiki: I love his armor
  17. Ultima The High Seraph: Neither of them remind me of Darth Vader. And this is coming from the worlds largest star wars fan. Anyways, Gabranth is just to cool for school.
  18. Kronos255: Go go go, Gabranth! XD
  19. Blykus: I don't have a problem with Golbez, but Gabranth was one of my favorite characters in Final Fantasy XII.
  20. User:Jaken92: Both have the kickass armor they both have the brother on the good side and both of their names start with G, but I have to go with Judge Gabranth.
  21. User:Zephyrus11: Gabranth is more multidimensional. Plus he has an awesome accent. And hes pretty...
  22. SilverSummoner: My vote goes to gabranth for sure.
  23. ChaosEsperVII: Man who regains his honor? Good enough for me.
  24. Deadlyslashsword: I'm actually split when it comes to these two, but Gabranth can have my pity vote.
  25. RedMage: I defeated Golbez with a palidin and a white mage. The same cannot be said for Gabranth. The Judge takes my vote.
  26. Rocking Chair While i was playing FFIV the remake i kept forgetting that were even chasing Golbez. Gabranth was almost as cool as ZZ Top
  27. Nomura:I vote for judge just because I don't like Golbez (just like most of FFIV characters (EXCEPT Rydia - she's HOT!))
  28. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. both sinister, both evil, both just pawns to a greater evil... I'm choosing the one with better graphics because I can't really base my choice off anything else.
  2. Gabranth was one of my favourite characters in FFXII, in both appearance and background. My vote goes to him.
  3. Gabranth, for the win. But that's not just because he has the cool armor and pretty (at least, in my opinion) voice. He comes off not as a regular, flat character, but someone with different sides. He's not working for House Solidor just for the heck of it. He's a complicated character with interesting motives- which makes him intriguing. And, let's face it, the fact that he has some of THE best lines in the game (Balthier having the other best lines) adds onto his "coolness factor". Golbez doesn't compare to Gabranth. Sorry.
  4. Gabranth is much better, and has the Vader-esque trick of being a relative of one of the good guys.
  5. Gabranth and Golbez both were good characters, but Gabranth had better endgame character development. He also came to his redemption through his own means, not just snapping out of mind control. I would have though a good character match would be Golbez v. Exdeath instead.
  6. Amongst the pair of the two evil, yet redeeming poor souls, the winner, in the end, would be Gabranth. Although Golbez might be slighltly MORE badass, Gabranth has the whole honorable fighter of an evil sort of deal. I mean, he totally goes up against Vayne when the guy is going mad and hurt Larsa. Gabranth and Larsa make for the dynamicly evolving pair that beat Golbez in the end.
  7. Gabranth rocks! Especially that the voice actor (Japanese)is the best one!

Votes for the Lunarian[edit source]

  1. Gamer2127: Or don't take TA's suggestion. Doesn't bother me.
  2. The force is strong in him. Drake Clawfang
  3. Eh. I always liked Golbez, his story and actions more. He came first anyway, has armor, is in The After, yadda, yadda.--Otherarrow 23:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
  4. Cluna06 I'm going with Cecil's 'Sith' brother on this one.
  5. Golbez has better armor. Plus he gets to fuse with a pet Shadow Dragon O.o 8bit 00:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  6. Konira Awww, Garlbanth is my least favourite of the Magisters children... Golbeza wasn't actually evil but still dawned kickass armour that no one would beat... no to mention... DOUBLE METEOR! ...He and FuSoYa made the ending epic...
  7. They're both pretty good characters. However, I'm going with Golbez because he had much better protagonists to antagonize. --AnonyMan 01:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  8. BornfromDarkness02:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  9. - User:Zack fair 007 Final Fantasy IV is WAAAAAAAAAY BETTER than Final Fantasy XII...and plus, Golbez had a better backstory..Grabranth was an evil twin brother...
  10. Gotta go with my first evil villain. BlueLionheart 03:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionnheart
  11. Firionklauser: FFIV is my sentimental favorite. And Golbez is awesome in his own right.
  12. GOLBEZ OWES! Who da hell is Gabrath? Squallinoa 08 05:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  13. Karhunkynsi This guy looks serious.
  14. Sora G. Strife: Uhhh...
  15. Sinh 15:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
  16. Dazuro At least in the DS one, Golbez has some of the coolest lines in the series. And he looks like the baby of Sephiroth and Conan the Barbarian in The After, but STILL manages to appear badass.
  17. Terra_Homing He was in a better game. He had better enemies and he made the ending!
  18. Blackheart1991 Golbez wins for being more plot significant, but they share the same role ("*insert name here* I am your brother!)
  19. Otens I've got to go with this one, honestly.
  20. PeanutLord 17:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Golbez has enormous shoulders, so I'm going with him.
  21. BritBoy: Gotta go with Golbez here, the whole 'I am your brother' twist came right at the end and he had a cool theme tune, and look at the spikes on his shoulders!
  22. Arcanedude34: Mehh. They're both more or less the same character to me. They look the same, have similar personalities, similar relationships to one of the heroes. The deciding factor for me is that Golbez was cool enough to control Kain for a while (even if he was only controlling Kain because Zemus was controlling him) so the point goes to Golbez...
  23. Pluto. Golbez was much cooler, and FFXII was boring as hell.
  24. OwlEye Neither will ever be as awesome as Vader but Golbez killed me more so he's a better wannabe
  25. Alarielle I love Gabranth much, but let's be realistic : he's a damn fake of Golbez. Same armor same "I'm your brother" story… Though I like Cecil more than Basch, and Golbez is really evil (though manipulated by Zemus), as Gabranth is just a soldier who obeys orders…
  26. Rihya- As someone said before, Gabranth is pretty much a Golbez Cover... He might have great quotes, but he's not as cool as an enemy as Golbez is...
  27. Darth Roostertail- Golbez is made of pure win, first of all, AND he can summon a shadow dragon to cast instant death to anyone. What's better than that?
  28. Fyrmer: I'm not a big fan of either character, so I'm just going to vote for the one who wasn't in Final Fantasy XII. And hey, Golbez did regenerate from a nothing but a severed hand that one time. That's got to count for something...
  29. Theentertainer: Gabranth hesitates and Golbez is manipulated and in turn his quite manipulative himself. I never saw Gabranth go that extra step to capture Ashe, Penelo or Fran but when Golbez did that to Rosa my first thought was "I'm gonna kill that @$$-Hole." That and the power that should have been associated with fighting a judge I just never saw with Gabranth he went down quickly and I never had to use a scion or a limit chain to accomplish this. Golbeze on the other hand was a bitch to kill and one screw up can mean the end of the battle.
  30. Yath: Well, I think I'd have to vote for Golby, his game is much better, like every one says, and his is insanely tougher compared to Gabranth (expecially in the DS remake). Golby invented the 'I'm your brother' bit, he even, technically, fights on your side in the end, his theme is AWSOME, and he commands some of the toughest underlings in the game, the four feinds. Besides that, he looks like an upgraded Dark Knight, which adds points to my book.
  31. Vermandois: This was very tough for me, as I personally think both characters are very well done. But at least 4's story pulls all the way through, were as 12's falls flat after a few hours, and when you get to the fight with Gabranth near the ending,it's more of a "meh" feeling than a real sense of achievment. That, and you never actually defeat Golbez, which says something.
  32. Myself 123 16:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC) Golbez looks alot cooler than that other guy. Go Golbez!
  33. Ameria: Golbez pulls off the Darth Vader look alike in a much more stylish way. ;)
  34. Yumino
  35. EhRgEiZ: Golbez is stronger and scarier. I'm more scared of Golbez than Gabranth, who by the way I owned the hell out of while soloing FF12 with a level 99 Vaan wielding the Zodiac Spear.
  36. Capefeather: Haven't played FFXII, so I'm going with Golbez. He has an epic theme song that, every time I heard it, made me think, "Oh, ****. I'm gonna get pwned again."
  37. Rydiaofmist: I found Golbez's back-story to be more interesting than Gabranth's.
  38. OiXerxes: Golbez was a real badass and an awesome villain. Put those two together and you get pure awesomness.
  39. RadLink5: Watching him and FuSoYa wail on Zemus was fun.
  40. Bluesilver: Didn't like FFXII that much, didn't like Basch that much, didn't like Gabranth. Doesn't even deserve to be spelled right, the darth hoo-hoo
  41. Yzz: Golbez is like, really really cool. Besides, XII isn't.
  42. User:Balthier768 i have to go with golbez, i like ffXII a lot,but golbez is just the perfect villian, he can summon, has magic, and he has people close to him brainwashed to do his bidding, tell this is not the making of a awesome villian?.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. berserker- Golbez because of his dark dragon
  2. Golbez has better armor, I mean look at those spikes! You could break one off a use it as a sword!
  3. Golbez is better than Gabranth. Golbez is evil, the master of an army of monsters and during che entire game Zemus controlled him just like Palpatine controlled Darth Vader. Consider that until he his defeated, you don't know that Golbez is Cecil's brother! Besides, I don't think that Gabranth was evil...
  4. Golbez is voiced by Chairman Kaga. He gets my vote.
  5. Golbez is one of the coolest evil characters i´ve ever seen, just like Garland from FF I or Sephiroth from FF VII x'3 I love them all xD
  6. Golbez is from FFIV therefore fucking ace
  7. Golbez has better armor.
  8. Golbez in this case. Even though I've drawn many comparisons between A New Hope and FF XII (and there are a lot of them) I can't see Gabranth as a Darth Vader. However, Golbez was pretty evil while he was controlled by Zemus (kinda how the Emperor controlled Vader), In the DS Version his voice is so dark and mysterious, kinda like Vader and last but not least: He has his own dark creepy theme that could be seen as the Imperial March for Vader.- Musashi
  9. Golbez for the win mainly because I greatly enjoyed playing IV over XII and because Golbez is so cool.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Before you even need to say anything: No Drake, you may not change this format. I've decided that I cannot ingage in reasonable disussion over this, so forget it. --BlueHighwind 23:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

First off, WTF are you talking about? I'm not changing a thing. Second; blow me, I have as much right to change the formatting here as you do, which technically is none at all. Drake Clawfang
Come on, Krystal. The only true Sith in the Final Fantasy series is Cait Sith Drake Clawfang
LOL! Now that's a funny picture. I bet that robotic cat gets that a lot from people! Krystal

I'm surprised more people aren't voting for the Judge dude (whom I haven't met yet), since XII seems more liked here than IV. `BlueLionheart 03:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

IMPORTANT QUESTION: Um, Week 86 consists of Red XIII vs. Kimarhi. The next consecutive fight is then Week 89 with Galuf vs. Tellah. Are there two missing fights in there that I can't find or did someone accidentally skip 87 and 88? 8bit 03:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

No, TacticAngel screwed up and nobody caught it until now. I was thinking that it seemed a little early for Week 91... --BlueHighwind 03:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm gonna change it, Blue, unless you beat me to it. :p Drake Clawfang

Golbez is obviously better at immitating Darth Vader. I mean, does Darth Vader have ram horns and a skinny little suit of silver armour? Nope. =P FFXII fails once more! BornfromDarkness06:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Umm... Vader's "armor" (he's not even wearing any) does look skinny, de doesnt have 2 gigantic horns and shoulderpads either. And like Vader, Gabranth's breathing is heavy under his helmet. Leon5550

Meh. Coin toss. - Deadlyslashsword

Come on guys, we all know [[:Image:9garland-b.jpg|this guy]] is the real Darth Vader. Drake Clawfang

Don't you get kinda annoyed when you see people voting for a character just because they haven't played the other character's game? I myself have not played FF IV, but I'm not going to vote for an FF XII character just for the hell of it. Dancing Daggers

Garland's not Darth Vader....He's Christopher Lee! Fyrmer 10:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

So he's Darth Tyrannus instead? I Lion Heart I 17:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
No, Darth Tyrannus is far too cool for the prequels. That's why everybody calls him "Count Dooku". --BlueHighwind 19:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Is Garlnad Tyrnannus/Dooku because they were both killed 5 minutes into their stories? --AnonyMan 20:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
...Errm, sure. Also because Christopher Lee is Tyrannus -- And if he's not Darth Vader, than he's another character from the same universe. An obvious connection. But whatever your preferred interpretation. --I Lion Heart I 19:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Week 89: Reno v. Rude[edit source]


45 to 27.5
These two are two of the funny guys of Final Fantasy, and are practically inseparable if you are to infer anything from the various video games and movies that have come out, but if it came to blows . . .

Votes for Reno[edit source]

  1. I actually got Reno in a "Which FF character are you?" quiz. --Gamer2127
  2. Just looking at Rude is making me sober. Drake Clawfang
  3. Mmm... Red Hair Versus Bald. I'll have to go with Red-Haired Reno. xD TingleLovah
  4. Reno pre-Advent Children. He was the first turk. He was the best turk. ChaosEsperVII
  5. I like both but Reno it's my favorite XD. Kronos255
  6. I feel sorry for Rude, he doesn't get any love. X3 -BornfromDarkness18:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  7. Dark Raven 18:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  8. Oddly enough, I got Reno on that stupid "What FF character are you?" - Henryacores^ 18:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  9. CinnaMan Hands down in my opinion. Reno is the BEST!
  10. nikel728 Reno
  11. Lockhart - Gotta go with Reno. Even though Rude is awesome, Reno is the all-star Turk.
  12. I have to vote for Reno because he is made of awesome. Plus, in my opinion he would win in a fight, though I doubt there would be one.HolaRoRo
  13. I just like Reno more than Rude, and he makes me think to Axel from KH too… — Alarielle
  14. Yumino
  15. Reno is much much much much cuter than Rude! - SilverSummoner 00:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  16. Krystal: Reno is cuter and funnier!
  17. User:Kjffwiki - I like his craziness
  18. Fyrmer - I like both of these guys a lot, but for me it really comes down to straight man versus comedian. Sure, I may be more of a taciturn quiet-type myself, but I've always liked the goofy funny-man.
  19. I don't care who's strong, I'll vote for characters that are clumsy and funny! Reno is FUNNY! Squallinoa 08 04:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  20. Why not Reno? - Deadlyslashsword
  21. Dancing Daggers - Reno wasn't nearly as goofy in the original game as he was made out to be in all the other media... but the moment I first encountered him, I thought "this guy is cool... and incredibly sexy"
  22. Murasame77 - I like both of these guys but Reno just happens to be that little bit more awesome.
  23. KarhunkynsiWell, Reno is just awesome!
  24. Blykus: It's Reno. Need I say more?
  25. Real Genius I don't like his pyramids, (10 hp) but he is an awesome character.
  26. BlueHighwind: Bald isn't beautiful.
  27. ArableLadle : Yes! I have been waiting for this fight. Reno is coolest guy in Final Fantasy
  28. Ghulstruch: Well, Rude's pretty awesome, but Reno is probably one of the greatest FF characters in my opinion.
  29. Maverick Riot: This is hard! But I've made my decision...
  30. Ultima The High Seraph: Reno is just badass. Pure and simple
  31. Rydiaofmist: I'd tap that. Plus, he's entertaining and funny. My vote goes to Reno all the way.
  32. Tragedian: He's so beautiful. >.< I love Reno.
  33. User:Sailor Twilight: Do I seriously have to give my reason for voting Reno? Is he not cool enough for this to be self explanatory?
  34. Rihya: Reno is just too cool... Plus, I like his fighting style... And he made the best comment relating Cloud: "Just looking at your face is makin' me sober"...
  35. Sweet Nightmare~ My vote's for Reno, for having some of the best comedic lines and being completely fangirl-inducing. ^-^ Reno all the way!
  36. Hydrogene~ Just say the word. Reno wins.
  37. copycatloki :: I actually like'em both but I just love how Reno runs up walls like a spider in the movie. xD
  38. Master Conjurer: It's kicking a downed horse, but...
  39. Kuzlalala: Reno's the cooler one!!!
  40. Mr_Darkside~ Another vote for Reno. :p

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I LOVE YOU RENO!!!!!! 8'D......his so awsome and so funny, ahhhhhhh x'3
  2. Red hair beats bald.
  3. Reno is cool.
  4. I love Reno and Rude as a team and separately. they both rock and live up to their names as Turks. However I like Reno more now and forever. Rude is big, bad, and bald but nothing can beat a cocky, wise-ass redhead like Reno. XD
  5. Reno has a metallic rod with a TASER. Rude does not. End of discussion.
  6. Reno's just SO cute1
  7. Altough I think, that they'd never fight with each other, I chose Reno.
  8. With hair beats no hair.
  9. Reno rules!!!
  10. He reminds me of Axel of Kingdom Hearts, so I vote for him

Votes for Rude[edit source]

  1. WOOOT!! 1st vote!! This is like pitting Dante with red hair VS. Agent47+Kratos+MIB. Its ha hard call, but unless Reno have something of Vergil (He could, with a bit of serousness and skill...), he's screwed against Agent47+Kratos+MIB.Leon5550
  2. Because Firecrochets are pure evil --Maverick King 20:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. OwlEye Baldies Unite
  4. Konira I'm going with Rude, the thing that spawned Axel must be stopped... And Rude is awesome!!
  5. Aleria While Reno is cool, Rude is cooler.
  6. I'm not sure why I'm voting for Rude. Must be the sunglasses. BlueLionheart 18:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart
  7. I loved them both in Advent Children, but Rude is just.... he's one of the only characters to not be either extremely annoying, extremely naive, or poutingly sullen. He's just Rude. 8bit 19:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  8. "Because it's our job" ....Probably the best quote by any of the Turks. Reno's role in Advent Children also destroyed my former image of him. dudutsai
  9. Reno is my favorite Turk, but at the end he's most likely going to win. Rude is just equally as awesome, neither of then are as cool when they're seperate. This match should be dead even. --AnonyMan 20:35, 11 October 2008(UTC)
  10. Sinh 22:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  11. I think I'll go with Ol'Cueball on this one.--Oranejo 23:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  12. Rude is a harder fight ScatheMote
  13. Vin Diesel with shades and a goatee? Gotta go with that. RowdyCMoore
  14. Looks, strength, a decent backstory, and loves Tifa? Rude is just better all around! SilverMage
  15. Xadren I liked him in FF7
  16. MardukKurios Oh no thats a tough one! They are perfect Team and both are totally funny but Rude is more handsome~ In my eyes XD
  17. Aramis: Man, Rude has "Secret Services" written all over his face. If he doesn't look badass, then tell me what badass is.
  18. BritBoy: This is one of the toughest calls, since the Turks are the coolest group in FF, but I have to go with Rude, I find him cooler
  19. No contest. Both hotter and cooler.--High Summoner 18:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
  20. Pluto. Rude all the way!
  21. Ameria: <Insert reason for voting here.>
  22. EhRgEiZ Rude just needs more votes.
  23. ChiefKakashi: I don't want to see Rude lose by a landslide.
  24. Yzz: Same reason as ChiefKakashi. I love Reno, but Rude just can't get slaughtered by him!
  25. Nomura: I'll vote for Rude, though I like them both)))

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Cirrus: I vote for Rude! He is a much more interesting character than Reno, who just seems to be a goofy tag-along. Rude and his amusing silence but obvious intelligence in the original game wins my vote!
  2. I like both of them.. but I like this guy cause he likes Tifa,too. Good Choice!
  3. Ryo: agreed!XD
  4. Lorenzo: Rude is very underrated. A much better character with more potential. Reno looks like a clown.
  5. dunno know what it is that makes him so awesome. his pimpin shades, his crush on tifa, or his german suplex...

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Of course, lah. The rule clearly said Tifa cant ever lose here its draw if theres 10% involved somewhere. Leon5550

Oh, man, I don't think I've never had this much trouble in DNC before. Although Reno is my favorite Turk, you can't deny Rude is equally as cool. And Together...they're more super special Awesome together than seperately(made AC watchable). I've gottta ponder some more. --AnonyMan 16:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record, in a real battle, Reno would actually win. One word: "Pyramid". GG Rude. Drake Clawfang

That's why they made him forget that move, he'd be broken. He could anyone beat anyone in FFVII, provided it's one-on-one(or teammates don't think to help the one caught).


Seems a landslide for Reno already. Drake Clawfang

I don't think Reno could be Rude in a real battle. He's much too klutzy. BlueLionheart 18:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

Um why is there a battle with two characters from the same FF?

Why not? 8bit 04:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Well hasn't there been to many ffvii characters here recently?

This is a tough choice. Both of these guys are badass and as a team, they're top-notch. I can't really decide, but I agree that there have been too many FFVII characters, though, I won't be bothered by that if the Barret/Ward match is coming soon.Free bird 02:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the real question about this fight is (and let me say this slowly for all the FFVII fans who cant queit comprehend this thought) WHO GIVES A DAM ABOUT THESE DUMB SUPPORTING CHARACTERS, cause according to the votes this seems to be a modeling competition Eternal_Twilight

I'm having trouble on the "cant queit" part. Are those words? --BlueHighwind 13:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
You also spelt "Damn" wrong... unless you meant:

1. a barrier to obstruct the flow of water, esp. one of earth, masonry, etc., built across a stream or river. 2. a body of water confined by a dam. 3. any barrier resembling a dam. which case your comment just doesn't make sense.

Unless he actually meant the giving of a dam. In which case I'd be interested to see who among us owns a dam to give. SilverMage

I've been to Hoover Dam... the place where the allspark is kept... that is, while they still gave tours before 911. I offer up that dam. ChaosEsperVII

Can we have characters from other FFs, please? Final Fantasy 7 gets all the love. There have been loads off FF7 battles recently... Terra_Homing

Lol...this is my first time in the peanut gallery so...anyways I just have to say this, but Reno reminds me of a particular student in school who has black spikey hair like him and with the same attitude on his him =P Chocolancer 23:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Week 88: Tifa v. Setzer[edit source]

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48½ to 46
Setzer KHII.png
Pull the lever, watch the reels and see which of these gamblers gets lucky! A barrage of Chocobos, a barrage of bombs, or a barrage of good old-fashioned fists and feet. But which of these slot-playing fan-favs truly has Lady Luck's ear?

Votes for Tifa Lockhart[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind I like Setzer, but I love Tifa. Kinda like my relationship to FFVI and FFVII. (Good to see that TacticAngel bothered to change the colors this time).
  2. Henryacores^ 16:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. Ultima The High Seraph Her boobs are bigger than her head. If that doesn't get somebodies vote nothing will.
  4. Dark Raven
  5. Tifa rocks!!! BlueLionheart 19:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart
  6. Gamer2127:I don't like Setzer. Tifa's ok.
  7. ChiefKakashi: This is easy. Well, for me anyway.
  8. Tifa, hands down. --Tex HOWDY!!! 20:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  9. I don't know Setzer real well, so I'll go with Tifa --UndyingvsSephiroth 00:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
  10. Tifa is the best girl character ever!. --TurboChase 02:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
  11. Karhunkynsi I wote for Tifa! The best FF character ever ´cause her boo... Wait! I mean...
  12. Hexed has his reasons. Hexed
  13. Way to go, Tifa! --SilverSummoner
  14. Dancing Daggers: Since I played VII first, Tifa's boobs hold a special place in my heart.
  15. Murasame77: I never much liked Setzer and there's something about someone that if they can lift up Emerald weapon and slam him into the ground with Meteodrive they're more than deserving of some respect, right...?
  16. Lockhart - Not even close for me, but I'm a Tifa fanboy. She's the best character from FFVII and it doesn't have to do with her chest.
  17. Mr_Darkside Tifa is just the best on whatever she does
  18. RowdyCMoore Tifa's the second best fighter in VII - I haven't played the game and still know that. I always keep Setzer on the airship for the whole game because he has almost no use.
  19. OnlyTwilight Well, my fav FF is VII and cosidering my fav character just happens to be Tifa, I will just have to vote for her!
  20. Skoot85 Tifa is awesome.
  21. OwlEye Do I Even Need A Real Reason
  22. SeKaLoYa: Tifa's too sexy, especially in the movie.
  23. Maverick Riot: I don't think anything has to be said in all honesty...
  24. Yzz: This was a really hard decision for me to make, especially since I was bothered by them not being the same category, but what it al comes down to is who I like more. Tifa was the first Final Fantasy character who became my favorite back when I first played the games. Today, she still is high up on my list, so even though Setzer is like, really really cool, Tifa gets my vote<3
  25. Blykus: I'm a fan of both characters, but my vote has to go to Tifa. After all the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII titles, she's just grown on me in a big way. I'm sure her rack also has something to do with it. Just saying.
  26. Krystal: Tifa is cool and kicks ass! Enough said.
  27. Draga: Can't...stop...staring!
  28. Tragedian: Tifa is one of the ultimate heroines in all of FF.
  29. Sinh: I love Tifa.
  30. Alarielle : I love Tifa and have only seen the Setzer from KH2 who really sucks, so I've chosen Tifa of course. Plus, she's a girl =p
  31. Kronos255 : I like Tifa and Setzer...Both look very cool and useful in the game, but my vote goes to Tifa.
  32. BigSlurp : I enjoyed having Tifa in my party because she kicked butt. I have never been much of a fan of Setzer in FF or KH, so I have no choice but to vote for Tifa.
  33. CinnaMan: FFVII started it all for me... I am playing FFVI all the way through for the first time, and I love it so far - already have the very cool Setzer in my party - but I can't just turn my back on one of the characters that got me hooked! I just can't!!
  34. ChaosEsper: She's Tifa.
  35. Meh, why not? Cloudofdarkness ^_^!
  36. Terra_Homing: I don't need a reason to vote for Tifa.
  37. Kuzlalala: Tifa is a cool monk girl, you know!
  38. Lvl50RedMage: Just because she's awesome. I mean, yeah, Setzer's awesome, too, but Tifa's just better.
  39. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Setzer was ruined in Kingdom Hearts. Tifa was worthy of keeping her coolness in KH.
  2. Someone with her build and can still kick butt and not have back problems?!! She gets my vote for the physical strain she must go through.
  3. Yumiko: Hmm, I vote for Tifa because she is my favorite character. Setzer is awesome too but Tifa is losing right now. I'm sure she'll catch up when the fanboys come but whatever.
  4. Voting as a prelude to the fanboys. That, and Tifa is awesome so I can't stand to see her losing.
  5. FAnboy here. Go Tifa!
  6. This is a weird match, but Tifa is my favorite Final Fantasy character, so my vote goes to her.
  7. I don't use tifa much in FF7, let alone her limit. But I haven't playe FF6 yet to know how "good" or bad setzer is. All I know about him is in Kingdom hearts. To be honest, though, what captivated me was seeing tifa outside FF7 (Advent children and KH).
  8. Tifa is @w3$0m3!
  9. Tifa rocks!
  10. Tifa is probably my favorite character in FF. Don't know why. Probably because she is able to put up with Cloud's angst.
  11. Tifa is just awesome... nothing more needs to be said
  12. BOOBS!
  13. I don´t mind Setzer but Tifa is so awsome and one of the coolest and best charakters ever, go Tifa!
  14. It's Tifa. No contest.

Votes for Setzer Gabbiani[edit source]

  1. Nomura I like Tifa as a character, but I don't like her as a party member. So my vote goes to... TA-DAH!!!... SETZER!!! He was one of my favourites in FFVI!
  2. Pablo618: Meh
  3. Tifas awesome but Setzer ends up coming out ahead, besides like Blue said the tifaboys are gonna give her all the votes she needs FinalFighterA+
  4. I like them both... Setzer is one of my favorite characters from VI and Tifa is definitelly my favorite character from VII... The reasons why I'm voting for Setzer are because Tifa's gonna get enough fanboyish votes already, and because when it comes to Gamblers no one can top Setzer... Rihya
  5. Because this fight should have been Setzer VS Selphie. But that's beside the point. More importantly, Setzer's life is but a chip in your pile. Time to ante up! - Deadlyslashword
  6. Masamune: I like them both, but Setzer's going to lose. I guess this boils down to a pity vote.
  7. Zack fair 007 This is not a pity vote. I vote setzer because his outfit looks awesome. I have never played ff6 before, but as of now... I AM A CLAWFANIST! YAY! just because there are better games than VII.
  8. Setzer actually fits the Gambler-type build. Also he's th much better character. But as a few have expressed already, Tifa's already going to get all the votes, if it weren't for the breasteses I bet more people woul realize Tifa's not that great a character dislike for FFVII aside. AnonyMan
  9. Setzer throws darts that can insta-kill. DARTS!!! 8bit 23:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  10. Yo ho! Yo ho! A pirate's life for me! Maj. H
  11. BornfromDarkness: Suck it, Tifaboys. 23:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  12. Pikmin Master: Last time I checked, Setzer had the airship. Both of them. Plus, if you can rearrange his clothes, he'll probably look like Sephiroth.
  13. Setzer's just better. ^^ Read above for reasons as to why this statement is true. ;D HolaRoRo
  14. Vermandois As someone who actually does have natural large lady endowments, I can tell you all from experience that it's not all that great. Boobs don't make character, personality does. And VI is the best game out of the series (besides Tactics)
  15. Squallinoa_08 Tifa, I love you, but Setzer is a much cooler character! And plus, he's from FF6. He's a gambler and owns his own cool tricked out airship. Sorry Tifa, but it's like what Barack Obama said, "It's Time For A Change!"
  16. Like both characters, but I like Setzer more.--Oranejo 05:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
  17. Yay! Finally a fight where I can express my immense hatred for an FF7 character. Setzer easily beats Tifa - she constantly relies on other people for support, while Setzer actually takes control of his own life! Go Setzer! Lord Eliwood
  18. Sora G. Strife: Tifa can never let go. X(
  19. ArableLadle :Have to go for Setzer cuz he reminds me of my realy good friend
  20. I despise Setzer -- as well as the majority of the FFVI cast. But for lolz. I Lion Heart I
  21. Khakishro: Been awhile since I voted...anyway unlike everyone here i truly appreciate Setzer. I used him as my main player character in FF VI. of course I hated his equipment so I used a Merit award so he could use the Zantetsuken. Tifa I NEVER used.
  22. --Maverick King 14:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
  23. 3155: Setzer is the best. I like how he uses dice and other things you wouldn't necicerily call weapons as weapons. Plus, you can't beat the fixed dice!
  24. He's the one who got me into playing Final Fantasy ! TKOTL
  25. Setzer gets my vote beyond the shadow of a doubt! He's the first and the best slot-user and he has a lot more class than most FF characters. Free bird 03:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
  26. Faethinverba volant : I like Tifa, she's a great character. But I'm voting for Setzer for the lolz.
  27. Rocking ChairThis is a hard one. Tifa is a great character and VII is the better game however Setzer is just too damn cool.
  28. Theentertainer: Setzer and his Casino in the sky. I love that kind of style.
  29. Yath: Setzer, for that fact he has two airships, is a gambler, and is much better and cooler than Tifa. What other character has cards, dice, and/or dart as his or her weapon type? Also add the fact that he has some of the coolest lines... 'Whenever you think you're right, you're wrong. And that is a deadly mistake.'
  30. Hyacynth: Sorry Tifa, Setzer is just one of the coolest FF characters ever. Also I like the free bad status lift from his rabbit thing.
  31. Aramis: Man, Being a gambler myself, I just have to vote the guy who has an airship called BLACKJACK (For god's sake, the best name for an airship ever).
  32. Dozmare: Gotta go with Setzer. seeing as he is my favorite Final Fantasy character EVER. Besides, Tifa isn't much of a gambler anyways.
  33. Ameria: Hey, I wouldn't mind being kidnapped by him. ;)
  34. Rydiaofmist: I like Tifa more as a character but since this is about who is the better gambler, I have to go with Setzer. Besides, despite Tifa's limit break, I always saw Cait Sith as the gambler from VII (yeah, I know most people hate him) and Tifa as the monk.
  35. RogueTomato: I'm voting for Setzer because one time the lagomorph saved the butts of everybody in my party.
  36. Sephiel: Setzer, one of my FFVI final teammates... And he has a cool theme !
  37. Sanctiel: Setzer all the way.
  38. Mangartist: Have to go with Setzer, the REAL Gambler, on this one. He's just plain awesome.
  39. Fyrmer: I liked Tifa well enough, and not really for her more obvious "assets," but Setzer's just way cooler.
  40. Arcanedude34: Yeah, I dunno. This was a tough one, but I think in the end I like Setzer better. He almost seems like a precursor to Balthier to me, with his spotlight-grabbing and memorable one-liners. Tifa had her moments, but I prefer Setzer.
  41. Deoxyribose: While his legendary gambler persona seemed a little trite, I found him to be more memorable than Tifa.
  42. Drake Clawfang Come ooooooon tie!
  43. Yumino
  44. Misruk As much as I like FF7 I believe most votes ppl see a FF7 character and say IM VOTING FOR HIM/HER, well forget that Setzer is decent and Tifa I never really used
  45. Dark Paladin Danny Definatly Setzer, Fixed Dice + Offering = Raep, plus he's hotter than Tifa
  46. Consular Revan: I don't know who this guy is, but I dislike Tifa because she is whored out by her fans. Plus, I kind of agree with Dark Paladin... ^o^

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I am going to vote for Sezter because 1. I like him better 2. He is broken (Fixed Dice + Master's Scroll = Devastation) 3. He is an accual gambler, Cait Sith is more of a gambler than Tifa who is a fighter, she does not even belong in this fight. Period.
  2. My life is in the chip pile, ante up!
  3. I got to go with Setzer on this. Tifa's good and all but Setzer is a better gambler simply because....he's a gambler. Also I actually like him as a character. I also like some of his lines, "I don't have anything to lose but my life. . .and I got that for free!" - Musashi
  4. One of the best characters in THE best Final Fantasy games, so of course Setzer has my vote, brains > boobies
  5. I just prefer Setzer

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Sometimes I wish that people would just vote for whoever they like better. Just be real with it. --BlueHighwind 16:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess it all depends on the point of view... If this was a battle to decide who's the hottest of the two I'd definitelly vote for Tifa, but the factor for putting the two of them together was the slots and the whole gambler stuff... Tifa might be a kick ass monk, but she's no gambler... Rihya
Yeah BH, in a battle arena, the one who's more popular should win. I Lion Heart I 16:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Of course, haven't you seen the movies, the popular one always gets a last-minute burst of inspiration and wins against the otherwise superior opponent. this case, Setzer is that opponent, because he'll be hitting 4x Fixed Dice and likely dishing over 10k damage while Tifa sits there and waits for her Limit meter to charge. Drake Clawfang
...But the waiting is worth it. Get all "Yeah!"'s, and you can do enough damage to kill just about anything in one try. Even if you get only "Hit"'s, she'll do massive damage. Oh, and if you spend an insane amount of time training, you can do this. --<fontcolor="powderblue">ChiefKakashi 20:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but here's the thing - By the time Tifa is hit enough that her Limit Bar is full, Setzer's Fixed Diced would have killed her. Even if she had Final Attack and Revive or something, her Limit Bar would be depleted since she died. Drake Clawfang
Don't forget Materia. Use Big Guard from the Enemy Skill Materia, Slow and Haste from the Time Materia, some healing magic and items, and bye-bye Setzer. That is, only if Tifa went first. --ChiefKakashi 20:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, no no no, no Materia. If Tifa gets Materia, Setzer gets Espers. So if Tifa gets the ES Materia, Setzer gets an Esper. Drake Clawfang
Too bad that Setzer would land on Mysidian Rabbit while Tifa busted his face in. And why are we even debating this question? This is a popularity contest, remember? --BlueHighwind 21:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah BH, in a battle arena, the one who's more popular should win. I Lion Heart I 21:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Exactly! You get it now: "this is a popularity contest". --BlueHighwind 21:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I was quoting myself. So yeah I get it. I used doublesarcasm, in which I made a statement a lie, including sarcasm. Whereas sarcasm is usually just the oppisite of the truth. Saying this, some characters are more popular because of their battle skills. For example, Sage Tellah was beaten because of his "OMG, can't use Meteo" MP amount. Others, because they're in FFVII. And their boobs. I Lion Heart I 21:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with ILHI. BlueLionheart 19:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

I still don't get why this is a good fight. TIFA ISN'T A GAMBLER. Just because her Limit uses slots doesn't mean she's a gambler! Tifa is a straight up monk. To me, this just seems like a really random fight. I can't even decide who to vote for, since they're in two separate categories. I do kinda like Tifa more, though... Yzz 03:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Then vote for the sake of who's the better character Maj. H

OMG, could this be the battle that Tifa actually loses? (Well, despite the fact she loss to Vivi in the Magicite Madness). I don't hate Tifa, but I'm not that much of a freakish fanboy who will go to Hentai porn pages just to see Tifa naked. Squallinoa 08 04:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is Setzer getting pity votes? This reminds me of the Balthier/Vincent fight where people were giving Vincent pity votes out of the gate and he ended up winning by a pretty large margin....unless of course you pity voters are just lying and blaming it on the fanboys. :P --Oranejo 05:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Blaming fanboys is never a bad thing to do, lol! Rihya
"Sometimes I wish that people would just vote for whoever they like better. Just be real with it." Why do other people base their opinions on what other people think? That's giving in to peer pressure, you moron! Not in the normal sense, but you're still not saying what you think. Trust me, that's all that's ever going to matter in this world. --BlueHighwind 12:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe Setzer's more popular than you thought, maye his popularity has risen in recent years. Maybe less people like Tifa(I can see that). What none of Setzers votes can be because people genuinely like him better? --AnonyMan 13:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Yup. Just like nobody can legitmately say that FFVI is any better than FFVII. I think jealousy is what drives most of those opinions. --BlueHighwind 15:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
VI is magnitudes better than VII. Learning abilities via Espers is quicker and more efficient than Materia. VI has a more elaborate plotline that makes more sense, and Kefka > Sephiroth. I would go so far as to say that I like VI's graphics more than I do VII's awkward polygon renders. This is not to say VII is a bad game; I will say that its musical track and character development are a bit better than VI's. 8bit 16:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
You see? Not a single true sentence in the bunch of reasons. Then again, I guess I would have to admit that FFXII is in every way better than FFVII if I'm going to say FFVII is in every way better than FFVI. But then again, FFXII ended too quickly, just when things were getting good with the war and all. So at least there's that. --BlueHighwind 17:10, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I like how you dismiss all of my claims with no facts of your own, then return to your little spheal. The entire first disc of VII seems to be running around randomly looking for Sephiroth, then (SPOILER) Aeris dies, then there are two really short discs after that. Cyan and Umaro are nothing compared to the sheer annoyance of Yuffie and Cait Sith. 8bit"
Nail on head, disciple. Entire first disk of VII in seven words: "You run around randomly looking for Sephiroth". Drake Clawfang
Facts are pointless. But if I must indulge, here are all the ways FFVI is inferior: You can't even use Espers until the first third of the game has passed. Characters are given abilities, you can't really customize them beyond giving them spells, which they often do not need. Before then you have to focus on Terra and Celes for healing. God help you if the game decides you can't have them in your party - like during the entire Sabin adventure. That's another weakness: the first half is completely linear, as bad as FFIV in the beginning. FFVI's Limit Break system is a joke, I've seen two of the Desperation Attacks in all the times I've played the game. Two! Characterization is weak, with many party members completely forgotten. Mog doesn't even get a backstory. Umaro doesn't have a single intelligible line! Even the beloved Kefka does not get nearly the amount of focus as is given to Sephiroth. He's just evil, we're never told why or how. Other characters are usually given one emotion and stick with it. Terra can't feel love, Celes is in love with Locke, Edgar is a flirt. Nothing deep like Cloud's inner turmoil or even Barret's tough exterior compared to his love for his daughter. Graphically, the game's 2D graphics are too small for one to really see the characters well. And it lacks any of the powerful FMVs of FFVII. What attempts at FMV are commendable, but still don't make it. There is nothing in the game closely resembling the disaster of Aeris's death. And I hate how it makes you use every party member in those split-up dungeons. All I want to use are Celes, Terra, Setzer, and Sabin! Why should I be forced to use weaklings like Strago? The tone of the game is a half-hearted attempt at steam punk. It simply does not compare to the imaginative power of Midgar and the misery in the slums.
And for further reference, all those reasons are also why FFVI is a weaker game than FFIX, FFXII, and FFT. --BlueHighwind 19:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
As is typical with BlueHighwind, his problem with any game that's not VII, is that "it's not VII". Truly, is anyone surprised by this? Drake Clawfang
I said FFVII was the best (and kinda alluded that FFXII was about equal or better). Anything that doesn't do things as well as FFVII can't be better. FFT has a stronger battle system, but a weak character plot. FFIX's characters have stiff classes but there is enough customization for me (more than just spells). Yet its plot falls apart towards the end and there's too much dialog, it slows the game down. FFXII is almost perfect: perfect battle system, great characters (except Vaan), great story, but the storyline ends too quickly. And nothing really emotionally stirring happens. And anyway, we were talking about how FFVII is better than FFVI, remember? That's what needs to be compared. I didn't mention FFI for a reason. --BlueHighwind 19:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Well then, I consider VI better than VII, so allow me to close my eyes and refute every point you made.
"You can't even use Espers until the first third of the game has passed."
Because up until then you don't really need them, you have your abilities.
"Characters are given abilities, you can't really customize them beyond giving them spells, which they often do not need."
True, but you can customize your party which is basically the same thing. And if you're bitching about them not needing spells, then why are you complaining about them not getting Espers that quickly?
Before then you have to focus on Terra and Celes for healing. God help you if the game decides you can't have them in your party - like during the entire Sabin adventure."
Aw shit no, for half an hour you have to play without a healer! Give me a break. At *every* point up until Espers, Terra or Celes have to be in the party anyway, except for Sabin's scenario, so your point is hollow.
"That's another weakness: the first half is completely linear, as bad as FFIV in the beginning."
No more linear than VII's was: go to a place, buy equipment, find out where to go next and go there.
"FFVI's Limit Break system is a joke, I've seen two of the Desperation Attacks in all the times I've played the game."
It was the first game they were used in, excuse them for not getting it right the first time. I suppose you hate IV's ATB too?
"Characterization is weak, with many party members completely forgotten."
Like who? Every single party member got at least one or two subquests dedicated to their backstory.
"Mog doesn't even get a backstory. Umaro doesn't have a single intelligible line!"'
Umaro doesn't deserve an intelligible line. As for Mog, fine granted, one character with minimal backstory.
" Even the beloved Kefka does not get nearly the amount of focus as is given to Sephiroth. He's just evil, we're never told why or how."
In that case, sir Highwind, you must hate Heath Ledger's role as The Joker, right? He had no backstory or explanation for his evil, so you hate him too I assume. And Sephiroth's backstory was present, but lousy. "I'm the last of the Ancients!" Um, no you're not. "...Jenova is my mother!" No she's not. "....I'm going to destroy the world!" Why? "....." Sephiroth's backstory is all one big lie wrapped in misinformation wrapped in a messiah complex.
"Other characters are usually given one emotion and stick with it. Terra can't feel love, Celes is in love with Locke, Edgar is a flirt. Nothing deep like Cloud's inner turmoil or even Barret's tough exterior compared to his love for his daughter."
Personal opinion, nothing to say for that. Everyone has their preferred method of characterization.
"Graphically, the game's 2D graphics are too small for one to really see the characters well. And it lacks any of the powerful FMVs of FFVII."
It was the Super NES, what do you want? If they were making VI for the N64 or the PS I'm sure it would have had kick-ass FMVs and graphics, have you seen the Anthology FMVs?
"There is nothing in the game closely resembling the disaster of Aeris's death."
Get over it already and find a tissue. She died, sad, yes, moving on. That scene was iconic and sad, yes it was. But iconic enough for the entire game to revolve around it? Hardly.
"And I hate how it makes you use every party member in those split-up dungeons. All I want to use are Celes, Terra, Setzer, and Sabin! Why should I be forced to use weaklings like Strago?"
The split-up dungeons added a unique concept to the game by forcing teamwork and team planning.
"The tone of the game is a half-hearted attempt at steam punk. It simply does not compare to the imaginative power of Midgar and the misery in the slums."
Vector = Midgar. It's that simple. Drake Clawfang
See, this is why I never should have bothered in the first place. Its a waste of my time. When people start deconstructing my comments down sentence by sentence, I know I'm not talking with a reasonable fellow. That's was one of Hecko's favorite tricks against Crazyswords. And I'm sorry if graphical and technological limitations weakened FFVI, but handicaps don't make games any better to play. And I'm so glad you brought up the Joker! That's a bad move if you're trying to say that the the Joker Kefka is better than Sephiroth. --BlueHighwind 19:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'm quite the reasonable fellow, I just deconstructed your comment because everything about it was erroneous. As usual, most of what you said makes sense only to you. As for Kefka and the Joker, it seems you do in fact hate the Joker, which only confirms you don't know what makes a good villain. Drake Clawfang
No. Its creepy. Its weird as Hell, man. I don't like people obsessing over me like that. --BlueHighwind 20:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
It's okay Blue, we all know you're right. You don't have to argue anymore. - Deadlyslashsword
I remember when this place was where people would talk about who would win in a fight...--Gamer2127 23:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually Good Drake, your deconstruction of Blue's comments made you seem desperate to be right. Also, about half your reasons seem like they're just there to prove Blue wrong. Saying that, I will say something in Kefka's defense: Does he really need a reason to be evil? That's part of why I like him. What you see is what you get.

@Gamer: You think this is bad? Just pray to God that we never, ever have Sephiroth vs. Kefka. Trust me. --ChiefKakashi 02:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
My reasons there are to prove Blue wrong. I just don't like how he touts VII as the best game, no discussion, like it's the long-lost 11th Commandment that Moses forgot on the mountain. Really, this is "Tifa vs Setzer", and Blue turned that into "VI vs VII". We can fill a page the size of a the fight archives with debates on which game is the best. VI and VII were both great games. IMO, they both had their faults and their pluses, but you simply can't compare them directly. They're on different platforms, for different companies, with different battle systems, characters, plotlines and story focuses, and were overseen by different people. I like them both, and so do plenty others. Why do we have to pit games against each other? I'd thought people (Blue included) had learned that lesson. Apparently I was mistaken. Drake Clawfang
Also, everyone is free to like games better over each other, but when you start having to compare games to each other to prove which is better, it falls apart. I mean, I could prove VIII is the best game of the series by comparing it to VII or VI, with enough effort. Hell, I could make Mystic Quest sound better than VI and VII! Drake Clawfang
EDIT CONFLICT: "Really, this is "Tifa vs Setzer", and Blue turned that into 'VI vs VII'".
Yes, and you could have ignored him instead of perpetuating the argument and making the page so long. --ChiefKakashi 03:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I was largely content to do so until he had to post that list detailing why VII is better. Ignore that, no, I don't fly that way. Anyway, how about we call it quits now? Blue has, and I will to. Drake Clawfang

Why does everyone keep saying that KH ruined Setzer? I don't see it.Jupiterkai 18:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Only FF character who was ruined in KH was Seifer. AnonyMan
Yeah but then again its not all that hard to imagine that Seifer was like that at that age. FinalFighterA+
Get your facts straight, you two fanboys. Decontruction, whatever the hell is, is not what one of you just did. You two amaze me sometimes, seriously. Faethinverba volant
Congratulations, you just made absolutely no sense. Use better grammar. - Deadlyslashsword
Are you talking to me? Because if you are, then be quiet, check your own user page, go read a book and stop talking about grammar. Faethinverba volant
That made even less senseJupiterkai 20:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Coming from the guy that needed to be told three times to stop wiki-dumping before he got a clue on what was going on, I'd say you fail to make your point valid. Faethinverba volant
I'm sorry you can't tell the difference between bad grammar and a typo in reference to my userpage. - Deadlyslashsword
Considering that you seem to think that a wording that actually has more than six words per sentence is bad grammar, yeah, be sorry. Faethinverba volant
I can't understand what you just said. It must be your bad sentence structure. - Deadlyslashsword
I'd feel rather inclined to think it's your lack of reading skills. But that's just me. Or not. Faethinverba volant
If I had a lack of reading skills, would I be arguing with you over grammar? - Deadlyslashsword
Sure. Being pretentious and knowing what grammar is are two very different things. Faethinverba volant

I can't seem to vote for these two as I really have no preference, but nice pictures of both! -dudutsai

Well, folks, as I type this, it appears that this fight is tied at 40-40 and this could be the closest fight that a character has come to beating Miss Lockheart in quite some time. Who will prevail when the bell tolls? Keep voting and let's find out! --Tex HOWDY!!! 22:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

At the moment, Tifa is barely winning due to the annoymous votes. It won't matter though, because the 10% rule will stop either side from getting a clear win. --BlueHighwind 15:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I hate that 10% rule, I mean, why can't this be precise? Well, actually, I understand why it's there, but still... ~Go Tifa! :3 Yzz 14:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
43 to 44.5, ZOMG! Ha, I love being a swing vote! :p Drake Clawfang
The 10% rules is there for a reason. If I was someone here, anon vote. Sing up to wiki, user vote. Sign up to wiki on another account, two votes. In theory, a whole fight can turn-around by a multi-accounter. But there will be a point when it gets suspicious. 10% rule is to try to stop cheats. I Lion Heart I
I thought it was there so people wouldn't bitch on and on after their favorite character loses by one point. --ChiefKakashi 21:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it is. What I said is an educated guess. It's usually used just in case there is a miscount. But here we're dealing with not that many voters. But how do we know these voters are all different? I Lion Heart I
Well, with the score being 46.5 to 43 in favor of Setzer, this could fall under the 10% draw rule at this rate. Who will have the last hurrah? --Tex HOWDY!!! 21:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Week 87: Galuf v. Tellah[edit source]


40 to 25
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When these guys were your age, they fought dragons in the snow, up hill, both ways and they didn't have any new fangled PlayStations to do it on.

Votes for Galuf[edit source]

  1. BornfromDarkness: Galuf is a half-decent fighter, Tellah only has 90 mp. 02:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  2. Rare time I will vote for an FFV main character. Galuf is useful while Tellah lost it fast. He is the weakest mage in FFIV, being even surpassed by Cecil at Troia. -Henryacores^ 02:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  3. The scene whar he fights Exdeath radiates badassery. Hexed
  4. Even without mention the most badass Scene in FF. Galuf is the Coolest Older guy main character in the series. WAAAAAAY Cooler than that loser Auron, WAAAAAAY Cooler than Cid and all those other dudes too. And he went out like a Super Champ, also his comrades are actually smart enough to try to cure him. What did Cloud and the other retards do when Aeris died? "She's dead, time to toss her in da lake." AnonyMan 02:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  5. Best quote ever^ rofl. Anyways, Galuf is the only FF character in recent memory to be able to continue to fight despite having zero HP. That's pretty damn impressive. - Deadlyslashsword
  6. I really like both... Tellah has some memorable quotes ("I am DOOM itself!" kicks ass!), but he's not such an useful party member... The whole amnesia thing about Galuf sucks, but later on his story becomes a great one... And his death was pretty awesome, I mean, he really went out like a fuckin' badass! And... Anyone who travels on a meteor is definetelly better than someone who dies summoning it... - Rihya
  7. I dont give a floating crap about both, but at least this one looks better and say something decent. Maj. H
  8. Master Conjurer: I know I'm not the first to say it, but a scholar should not be limited to 90 mp. Galuf could actually do what his jobs required, even with amnesia.
  9. Blykus: This was a tough choice to make, but I like Galuf as a character just that much more--even if Tellah did say one of the most iconic lines in Final Fantasy history.
  10. Cloudna: I'm gonna have to go with Galuf on this one. He's more versatile and his stats don't drop when leveling.
  11. Arcanedude34: Galuf had some of the funniest lines in FFV (next to Gilgamesh) and is the only old man in the series (okay okay, besides Auron) who can still swing a sword as good as his companions. He doesn't let his amnesia get in his way of being a useful party member. Tellah had a few memorable lines too ("You swindler! You Spoony Bard!") but was incredibly useless. This is one of the only times I'd ever vote for a FFV character over a IV character, but Galuf just wins.
  12. Pikmin Master: I like playing FFV and I still remember the scene with the Siren. Galuf beat the snot out of Bartz, Lenna, and Faris. And since I always put Galuf as a Monk, know. Sure, Tellah has his moments, but Galuf has his scenes. Much better than mere quotes.
  13. OwlEye: He's Just way Better
  14. Free bird 21:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC) : Galuf seems far superior to Tellah judging from what I've read in other media and their respective pages. I've never played either game in which these two appear in, but apparently, Tellah is loved for one phrase and sucks in battle compared to devout heroism and greatness associated with Galuf. Thus, add one more vote for the amnesiac!
  15. dudutsai Though Tellah does have one of the most amazing jobs in the game, Galuf's death scene is a lot better than those crappy FFIV pseudo-deaths. It was also one of better scenes in the whole series I'd say...
  16. PeanutLord 01:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC) Galuf was the single most badass character of Final Fantasy V. Tellah can't claim that same position in Final Fantasy IV. Plus, Metal Gear Galuf > Spoony Bard.
  17. Mr. Rojo: Like a lot more Galuf, he has a good history and is a great fighter. Tellah is goring, useless in battle and in my opinion one of the worst characters. Galuf is cool!
  18. Galuf was useful, that puts him ahead of Tellah. Cloudofdarkness ^_^
  19. Firionklauser: The less crappy of the two
  20. CinnaMan: I really like Tellah, but I can't deny that overall Galuf was much more helpful, and had a more interesting background story... I mean he came from another world with werewolves... totally cool... and he can learn anything and everything Tellah ever could do... plus he didn't just fall over and die when his time came.
  21. RedCap: Go Galuf not only is he an awesome king he went to another world and got back twice and eventually helping it get completely restoredto a fused world
  22. --Maverick King 18:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
  23. BlueHighwind Galuf has a sexy moustache.
  24. Masamune: This is about 17 votes closer than it should be.
  25. Rocking Chair Gotta agree with the sexy Moustache. Besides you can actually make Galuf half useful and i actually cared when he died whereas i laughed and bagged Tellah when he died.
  26. Vestras Dead men walking huh? Well, Gaulf wins, easy. Versatility is the name of the game, and he delivers punishment right until he dropped. While I sympathize with Tellah, he just can't win.
  27. EhRgEiZ - Galuf has got my vote, because he was actually a good party member. He could fight and use magic... Tellah only had 90 MP and his stats decreased as he leveled up, plus he was a pathetic excuse for a "powerful" sage until he remebered all his spells, but even then he still was unable to keep his MP, because it was so low. Galuf's death was heroic... Tellah killed himself using a spell he didn't have enough MP for. So Galuf is the better choice, even if he didn't have a "spoony bard" line.
  28. Daz: My stars and comets! He's a winner!
  29. Alarielle: I vote for this guy because Tellah sucks as a mage (especially when you look at the other ones in FFIV)
  30. yay for galuf Dark Raicus 18:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  31. Dancin': Galuf is a badass. Hands down!
  32. Hydrogene: He literally survived about 180k worth of damage during his fight with exdeath.
  33. Twilight_rain: This guy you really want to fight with, because his stats don't decrease! And just like Hydrogene said, he survived tons of damage from Exdeath!
  34. Ultima The High Seraph I don't line any of them. Galuf is cooler though and he has a tashe. Tellahs' moustash is ruined by his beard. Although Tellah shouts 'YOU SPOONY BARD!', Galuf is fro a different world which is way cooler.
  35. This is the first thing ive voted and anyways Galuf is just awsomeMiller 420 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
  36. The coolest senior citizen Final Fantasy TKOTL
  37. Fyrmer: I'm not a huge fan of either of them, but I'm picking Galuf 'cause I actually spent a siginificant amount of time with him in my party. Tellah bought it rather shortly after he joined me, but he'd already been around long enought for me to realize that he was entirely useless.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. At least when this one levels up, his stats doesnt decrease
  2. I love more FF4 more so than 5, but I just think my vote should go to Galuf. He could actually go melee or magic, he was once a great Dawn Warrior, and he continued to fight past the point of death!Tellah...well he just summoned a meteor and died like an idiot, although his spoony bard quote was funny...
  3. Galuf died a manly death.
  4. When I first played through FF5, everything seemed to be getting more and more typical-RPGish... But Galuf's sacrifice was unexpected and kept me intrigued to conclude the plot. Galuf's death motivated me to complete the game, which eventually became a good game.
  5. Galuf is the one of few characters who I consider GAR (if you don't know this, it is a title for the manliest or awsomest of heroes) in any Final Fantasy game. He didn't HAVE to die, he chose to die to protect his allies and granddaughter. If that isn't guts, I don't know what it is. That, and add the fact that he was able to hold his own (for me, anyway) in ExDeath's castle and against Gilgy and ExDeath himself. Tellah's only single battle against a major villian? Kills himself.
  6. Galuf is just better by far.

Votes for Tellah[edit source]

  1. ChiefKakashi: First vote!
  2. Never played V, but Telleh isn't all that great, and Galuf doesn't seem that interesting. I could just not vote,
  3. YOU SPOONY BARD!!!!! Did Galuf say anything half as memorable? 8bit 02:21, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  4. BlueLionheart You Spoony Bard!!!
  5. It's the glasses. --Oranejo 03:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
  6. Aleria: How could I not vote for the originator of "You Spoony Bard!!" ? I can't, and that's why my vote is for Tellah.
  7. Ameria You Spoony Bard!
  8. Dark Raven: Wow, don't you have other reasons than "You Spoony Bard"? Meteor wins.
  9. Mr_Darkside Just coz he needs more votes.
  10. Meteor FTW! Drake Clawfang
  11. Southgale "You Spoony Bard" that is the single best line in the game... that or mabye Edge hitting on Rydia. sence Edge is not here Telleh gets my vote. Meteo on you all who vote agenst Telleh
  12. Otens Eh, I'm going with Tellah.
  13. Jupiterkai Tellah rules.
  14. Konira *Puts Generic but awesome Spoony reason.* Tellah was a wondeful character, not to mention he was in four - the seven of the originals but 800% better. Tellah get's my vote.
  15. Sora G. Strife: The guy who can cast the most powerful magic and kick his own butt in the process gets my vote.
  16. Pablo618:Tellah may have had real shitty MP... and his stats might have decreased... but he was an awesome character, he gave us the "spoony bard" and whatnot and his death was such a sad moment!!
  17. Yzz You gotta be kidding me. Of course Tellah! He's like, 1337h@x0r. Even though that limited MP thing did piss me off, "YOU SPOONY BARD" makes up for that, and then some.
  18. DB: Meteor ftw.
  19. RogueTomato I always thought Tellah was kinda cool. Besides, he had an inner strength - he was able to continue on his journey even after seeing daughter die before his eyes.
  20. Gyromite: Tellah might have been a bit crazy, but he is probably the best character you have while hes with you. He only has 90 MP, but while hes in the party, he has the most out of them all for a long time, plus he knows all the magic in the game. And i never found Galuf to be very interesting either.
  21. Rydiaofmist: Meh. I like them both but Tellah has fewer votes.
  22. DrakemasterDrake
  23. Karhunkynsi Whoa..
  24. Seymour: Since someone so kindly deleted my previous vote for Tellah. I shall once again vote for Tellah..

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. he can yell 'YOU SPOONY BARD' then meteor your ass
  2. Since I never played either game, this is a pity vote.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Galuf is the epitome and paragon of "Badass Old Man Strenff." It needs to be said. Anony What did Cloud and the other retards do when Aeris died? "She's dead, time to toss her in da lake." Lol, funniest comment so far! Rihya

AnonyMan is always taking shots at VII, even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. =O --Oranejo 03:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the guys didn't try to use restoring items on Aeris because Sephiroth disemboweled her...I doubt a potion would mend that, don't you think? - Henryacores^ 23:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
"Disemboweled"? Anyway, overplaying that death aside, who cares how fatal the injury was? Point is it never occured to them to at least try. Whereas Galuf defeintly had it worse and his friends desperately attempted to save him at least.AnonyMan
Maybe they knew she was dead by the way she keeled over after getting stabbed through the back. I do not think a cure spell would have saved her after being impaled. It would be like taking a squirrel that got run over by a truck to the Vet, I mean, what would be the point?--Oranejo 03:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe they did, while simultaneously forgetting that there are spells and items that can resurrect as it were. There's more than just Cure. AnonyMan
Master Conjurer: Phoenix Down and Life ironically only cure KO, not actual death. It's not like they were in the world of FFI.
Then they need to stop calling them Phoenix Downs/Life and whatnot and call them what they really are...Smelling Salts. The Undead got gyped. Ah, well, not like I like Aeris enough to care when she died, less crap to a craptastic roster I say. AnonyMan
Master Conjurer: Am I the only one around who has enjoyed every FF played?
OwlEye: No, I'm with you there
ChaosEsperVII: Me 3.
Deadlyslashsword - I also.
No. Final Fantasy currently has a 90% record with me. So far: FFVIII, Revenant Wings, Crisis Core, and Dirge of Cerberus have ruined what would otherwise have been a perfect record. --BlueHighwind 20:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It feels good to vote for one of these fights for the first time after reading through the archives. Granted I've never played neither FFIV nor V, but the next time Tellah is involved in a Collosseum struggle, it should be a "catch-phrase" fight! Free bird 21:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, TacticAngel got lazy on this one. He just re-used last fight's color scheme. --BlueHighwind 19:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I did re-use it, though there is probably some question about whether it was lazy or if I couldn't come up with a better one. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Or you could have just used Yellow for Galuf and Pink for Tellah, since those are the main colors on their artwork. --BlueHighwind 12:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Week 86: Red XIII v. Kimahri Ronso[edit source]

58 to 28

FFX Kimahri Art.png
The cat who acts like a man versus the man who looks like a cat! . . . with a horn. . .

Votes for Red XIII[edit source]

  1. Blue': Red, easy day. Better character from a better game.
  2. BlueHighwind: Red XIII wins because he is the intellectual superior.
  3. What BH said. Plus, Red>Blue. --Gamer2127
  4. RED XIII!!!!! I think that's the least coherent DNC vote I've ever made. 8bit 22:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
  5. I'm voting for him even though I also like Kimahri. BlueLionheart 23:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart
  6. Yumino
  7. RogueTomato My vote is for Red XIII. He's one of my favorite characters.
  8. Lockhart - Woo! My second suggestion that made it to the DNC! Woo! Anyways, gotta go with Nanaki.
  9. Red XIII kicks all kinds of ass.--Oranejo 00:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  10. Red XIII isn't a cat, but he is bad-ass. Drake Clawfang
  11. Vermandois Red was one of the few characters I could stand in 7. Plus, he just looks awesome.
  12. Real Genius. Red is much, much smarter than Kimahri and has better limits. Kimahri has to Overdrive just to use blue magic.
  13. Faethinverba volant :Nanaki was the most interesting character in FFVII.
  14. Duh (5) --SCM
  15. Nanaki, hands down. He's my best character in FFVII. --Tex HOWDY!!! 04:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  16. Tragedian Red XIII is definitely the coolest feline in all the FF series.
  17. Fuck Kimhari! Tidus and the others should of listened to Seymour and killed Kimhari to save their asses. Because of that, we all have to fight Seymour Flux. Stupid bastard! Red XIII is AWESOME! Squallinoa 08 04:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  18. ChaosEsperVII Red because although he got no love in AC or DC, he is smarter and can maul you to pieces. Plus 500 yrs later, he does not look like something you want to mess with.
  19. Dark Raven: Kimahri sucks.
  20. Skoot85 Nanaki. Although it was weird when they were explaining that Nanaki's real name was Nanaki but wtv.
  21. RIhya - That was an easy choice... Red is one of the coolest characters in FFVII, has some great Limit Breaks, and a cool background story... Plus, as someone said already, 500 years later he looks fuckin' badass!
  22. Ameria My Vote Goes Here.
  23. Yzz Definitely Nanaki, completely hands down on this one. He has a much better story than Kimarhi, and I personally think he's more useful/fun in battle. Plus, dude, it's like... RED XIII!
  24. Dancing Daggers Unlike Kimahri, Red XIII was NOT a completely useless party member.
  25. Kami strife I'm sorry, Kimahri, but I gotta side with Nanaki on this one. Kimahri's cool, but Nanaki's just badass.
  26. OwlEye Smart animals beat stupid people
  27. ChiefKakashi: Because Red's just better.
  28. Red XIII was my first favorite character in the whole series. He's amazing, and plus he almost was subject to tran-species-reproduction... I think we ought to give him a hand! CinnaMan
  29. RedCapGo Red XIII He is awesome
  30. Chocobo Knight: I like both, but I like Red more. End of. And also, I'm annoyed Red hasn't didn't get more of a speaking role in AC and DoC.
  31. dudutsai: Kimarhi was so useless.... and Red XIII was cool
  32. UVS: Let me see here: one of the few animal characters in the history of the series, looks cool and Kimhari doesn't sound too much of a dragoon and looks too mystic even for me. So my vote goes to Red XIII
  33. DB
  34. Murasame77:I like 'em both but Nanaki always was and still is one of my favourite fighters.
  35. Maverick Riot: I like both too, but just Red a little bit more. If they were to take Red out of FFVII, and Kimahri out of FFX, I'd miss Red XIII a lot, lot more.
  36. BritBoy: I also like both but Red was my fav FFVII character, he was the oldest and smartest member of the group and he was a voice of reason, plus Cosmo Memory was an awesome Limit Break, plus he had a British voice actor in AC (even though he had like one line - wtf?!)
  37. Terra_Homing: He was in my original ff7 party and his limit was the one that killed Safer Sephiroth, of course I'm going to vote for Nanaki!
  38. Ultima The High Seraph Red XII alll the way
  39. Goldberry2000: The game may be over-fanboyed, but this is one character that makes the game. The backstory for XIII was brilliant and he was one of those characters that I always regretted not keeping in my party, but that ultimately got replaced by Cid once he became available. No cheap FFX character was ever going to win against him.
  40. Rocking Chair I used Red XIII more then once
  41. Sora G. Strife: Nanaki rocks.
  42. MardukKurios: Right after you get him his is my second Party member until the end of the game. He is strong in Attack and Magic and something special! x3
  43. AvaGirl: Kimahri SUCKS. :P
  44. Blykus: I like both characters, but my vote goes to Red XIII for nostalgia's sake.
  45. Masamune: The easiest decision I've made all day. Yes, deciding to have Coke or water with lunch was harder than this. (I went with water, by the way. It's healthier.)
  46. Theentertainer: This is so one sided I'm surprised this made it through the suggestion filter. NANAKI RULES!!
  47. Mr_Darkside:Red wins hands down!
  48. SilverSummoner: Red XIII got more IQ and Vocabulary than Kimahri...
  49. Sinh
  50. Black Mage Zemekis
  51. BornfromDarkness: Uh, really? 22:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
  52. No comments Cloudofdarkness ^_^

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. RedXIII isn't particularly my favorite character, but I do love FFVII. Also, Kimahri fails at whatever he chooses to be compared to the original counterpart (like Tidus' or Lulu's part of the sphere grid). I would have chosen kimahri if would be more like a red mage of the FFX party (having all of their skills available to him). ^-^
  2. Well, Nanaki gets my vote. I find his problem with his father very interesting, and to learn the truth after going through the cave, I really liked it. And besides, I like the Cosmo Canyon song and its variations, Great Warrior and Red XIII's Theme.
  3. I like Nanaki. He is like we never had seen in any other Final Fantasy. Also he is very kind and relieable. And Im always thinking that it must be tough for him, surviving all of his friends and comrades...;.;
  4. I love FVII so i love Red XIII. I like also FFX but Kimahri SUCKS!!!
  5. I´m like in love with FFVII, and Nanaki(red XII)is so awsome but i like kimahri too but Nanaki his cooler in some ways xD
  6. Nanaki kicks all non Moggle playable animal characters.
  7. It's cat. That can talk. And anything else that any human can do. Or more. Need I say more?
  8. my favourite line after the intense retelling of cloud's 'past' while everyone leaves kalm all disturbed and stressed 'what a nice story' :P oh and the bit where he found seto's statue in the cave made me cry a little so he wins
  9. He's the only non-human character (besides Vivi of course) that has managed to make me weep. Infact his story was one of the most emotionally affecting of FF7. Kimhari was... just a bit dull to be honest, he spends most of the game with a frown on his face whilst Red manages to express character and you actually care about what happened to him in his past. Red may not be the most human looking of the two, but his emotions and character development make Kimhari look as human as a potato
  10. As if anyone from FFX matters. 00:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
  11. Kimhari is the most useless blue mage ever. So my vote goes to Nanaki.
  12. I'm tied of everyone saying Kimhari is a great blue mage, okay maybe, but this is FFVII anyone can be what ever you want the to be. Add enemy skill materia to Red XIII and there he's a blue mage and a far better one too. Besides Red rocks :)

Votes for Kimahri[edit source]

  1. Henryacores^ - Me like Kimahri. Kimhari no cub. Kimhari strong.
  2. Aleria I'm voting for Kimahri partially because I feel bad for him 'cause everyone's going to vote for Nanaki/Red XIII... and partially because I'm finally playing FFX.
  3. Arcanedude34 I used Kimahri more... Red XII shone when he was first introduced and in Cosmo Canyon... then forgotten for the rest of the game almost... At least Kimahri had a purpose to be in the group besides his grandfather telling him to...
  4. Deadlyslashsword: Let the rage of the Ronso guide Kimahri's spear.
  5. Aruki I'm gonna have to side with Kimahri on this one.
  6. Unlike Red XIII, Kimahri was NOT a completely useless party member.--Zephyrus11 05:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  7. --AnonyMan 04:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  8. DVardonir: I'm voting for Kimhari because I'm not voting for Anakin, I mean Nanaki.
  9. Duh Steve C // talk // email // 11:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  10. HELLO! WHITE WIND! MIGHTY GUARD! BAD BREATH!!!!! I know Red can use these but so can anyone in FF7. Kimahri is INVALUABLE! Lord Eliwood 17:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  11. Pikmin Master: Who needs to get hit with Blue Magic if you can just steal it using a draining move? Kimahri is thus better than someone who needs a sphere to end up getting hit for Blue Magic, err...Enemy Skills.
  12. Charles-leonhart: Kimahri would definitely win. He has posable thumbs. He is also blue and that is my favorite color. but putting that aside I believe He is way more useful than red XIII.
  13. -Alarielle-: Kimahri juste is cooler, more useful than red XIII. At least he has useful special abilities (blue magic…)
  14. -CosmicWizardAshley-: I like Kimahri more. He isn't useless in battle like Red's voters say, and its because of the versatility of the sphere grid system which means kimahri will only suck if you make him sucky. Plus, Nova is a pretty awesome thing to learn xD
  15. Mr. Rojo: well i like both, both are powerfull and useful if you work them. But since Kimahri is losing i will go with him.
  16. Krystal: Kimahri rules! Enough said.
  17. I feel that Kimahri had better character development. I became more concerned with Kimahri than I did with XIII's character. Deoxyribose
  18. Red and Kimari are my favorite characters in the series and its tough choosing between them, but seeing as kimari is losing im gonna give him a hand, and all the people calling kimari dumb, um how many of you have helped save the world from a giant flying whale whos your friends dad, please speak up....oh none of you...i mean i can wait if someones mouth is full...still none okay, so shut up okay Eternal Twilight
  19. Vestras - Kimahri gets my vote only because I actually found him useful in battle. It's not much, but it's enough of an edge.
  20. Rydiaofmist: I like Kimahri. He was extremely devoted to Yuna. Also, I have a soft spot for victims of bullying. And for the record, I don't think that Kimahri was stupid at all. He just came from a different race that had a different way of speaking.
  21. FinalAnnihilator: I loved FFX more than anything, even though FFVII was,even the best of Square's games, so my vote goes to Kimahri Ronso! Kimahri is also pretty "cool" even though he's a Ronso, and my favourite quote is: "Save some for Kimahri!" before you fight Seymour in Gagazet!!
  22. CidTheFirst: If you know how to guide him on a sphere grid he can tear it up.
  23. Master Conjurer: Pitiful Red XIII! Howl alone! Howl alone!

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I think Kimahri would win hands down. Because anything Red XIII can do Kimahri can do as well, not to mention all of Kimahri's powers he has anyway, Kimahri would easily win.... as long as he doesn't use self-destruct
  2. I like Nanaki, but Kimahri just had more use in battle for me. Besides, I love Blue Mages for the challenge of getting all their techniques. :)
  3. A pity vote plain and simple even though FFVII is going to run away with another colosseum fight for no reason.
  4. This is basically a matter of FF7 vs FF10. FF7 wins. Always will. Poor Blue Cat thing.
  5. Gotta go with Kimarhi on this one. Red man have been the original kickass cat-thing, but nothing he just doesn't carry the same weigh in fighting to me as Kimarhi did, especially the fight against Biran and Yenke. - Musashi
  6. Kimahri speak funny. 'Nuff said.
  7. His overdrives can be spammed actually. With the right combination , kimahri can actually spam nova each random encounter eviscerating every enemy with 99999 damage for easy training. Kimahri no useless. lolz.
  8. Kimahri is pretty awesome ^^ Nothing against red, but the boy in blue wins hands down.
  9. Kimahri may no speak well but he's not an idiot, and he's certain one of the only bearable(and coolest) characters in FFX. Plus he's got Blue Magic that's awesome. Also you can't deny that his personal event on Gagazet or whatever wasn't badass.
  10. I like Khimari although he didn't have a big role in FFX.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Why was the last fight a draw? Agrias clearly won, even if it is by only one vote. BlueLionheart 23:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less. 8bit 23:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm getting sick of these ties. If this fight ends in a tie, next weak TacticAngel should put a fight between Vivi and Umaro to break this ugly streak. --BlueHighwind 23:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Third time's the charm? Someone will actually win one day. --Gamer2127 23:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Heh, Balthier V. Vaan Cloudofdarkness ^_^
Those are the rules, much as I would prefer Agrias to have won, again. As for the rule, as stated previously, it is in the community's best interest. -- T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
This one will be a landslide anyway. --SCM 03:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Just wanna say, Red XIII - I firmly believe he's a reference to Japanese "yokai". You don't believe me, read up on Wikipedia and tell me, especially considering how anime portrays yokai - humanoid animals, sentient, supernatural, long-lived, etc. Drake Clawfang

I'm gonna have to hold off on voting for now. This is definitely a tough call. Deoxyribose

Ugh... this fight sucks. Red XIII is clearly much better than Kimahri, but then, everyone else is clearly much better than Red XIII. What I'm saying is that this fight is kinda low-brow when compared to some of the other colosseum fights. Dancing Daggers

Not necessarily. Kimahri was trained as a warrior. Red XIII rams your face. It seems even, seeing as Red XIII probably learned fighting from his father as a pup or something. Or are you just saying this because you just don't like Kimarhi? Otens
Hardly anyone consider's the DNC to be a real fight. --Gamer2127 01:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't like Red,but I like Kimahri even less. Ergo my opinion is that Red is the better of the two. I just think that neither character has much going for them; it's not an interesting fight, unlike the Black Mage-White Mage fight a couple of weeks ago. Dancing Daggers

P.S. This is a "colosseum", therefore I consider the poll to be a "fight".

charles-leonhart I hate that so many people vote for a character just because they were in final fantasy 7.

Rocking Chair I actually have nothing to vot3ew either of them on. I couldnt really care about either of them. Both have worse then them (Rikku and Cait Sith) but both never really had much going for them.

Deadlyslashsword I wish people would stop calling Kimahri dumb just because he doesn't speak in complete sentences. HE'S NOT HUMAN, OKAY? His speaking is not going to be perfect. Besides, he's smart enough to learn blue magic, isn't he?

No. Chewbacca is not stupid because he can't speak English. He's a Wookie, and is physically incapable of speaking human languages. Kimahri on the other hand is perfectly capable of proper speech, but is too stupid to learn how. Maester Kelk Ronso can talk like an intelligent creature, why can't Kimahri? Because Kimahri is an idiot, that's why. --BlueHighwind 01:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Kelk is an exception. I'm pretty sure all the other Ronso but him speak like Kimahri does. That doesn't prove he's stupid, and he's never shown as being stupid either. Given Kimahri's character why would he bother with speaking properly. You no need speak good to be cool as hell, look at Quina. AnonyMan
I don't think using Quina as an example is going to help prove your point. I liked Quina, but judging by other people's user pages he/she/it is probably one of the most hated characters in the series. --Oranejo 02:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I know, it sucks. There are people out there who are enlightened and respect Quina, though...just not alot. AnonyMan
Yet Quina is an idiot as well. But he's/she's a member of a species of evil greedy freaks with the brain capacity of a 2-year-old. So it isn't Quina's fault that he/she is a fucking dunce. It is Kimahri's fault though. --BlueHighwind 13:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Quina's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but she'll school you in the Culinary arts. Stop acting like Ronso are a super advance race, they aren't that different from Qu's actually, except differing values. Since all the other ronso talk like Kimahri they all must be idiots too, huh? AnonyMan
Apparantly not: Kelk Ronso, for example. Most Ronso may be genetically inclined towards being idiots, but they are not all stupid. Kimahri happens to be a member of the low end of a low species. --BlueHighwind 20:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
And yet Auron entrusts Yuna to him? Sorry but I'm going to have to side with Auron on this one. I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing. Not to mention- The ability to learn blue magic = Not dumb. - Deadlyslashsword
I don't think Kimahri's speech is indicative of stupidity. It's just the manner in which Ronso speak. Kelk is the exception as he is a Maester, and is likely obligated to speak in a more formal manner. Deoxyribose
Oh come on. Kimahri isnt stupid. He plays the quiet aggressive looking character. Kinda like batman. but more animalistic.Charles-leonhart
Although I don't like Kimahri, Yoda doesn't speak in complete sentences. End of Conversation. And Red XIII shouldn't be capable of talking yet he does. But the ronsos aren't stupid they're just primitive. But Red XIII is smarter than any Ronso. And yes this is a matter between ff7 and ffx because cast of main game FFVII>insert name. ChaosEsperVII
1. The ability to learn Blue Magic does not equate to intelligence (Quina, Yuffie, Cait Sith, Bartz). 2. Auron most likely entrusted Yuna to Kimahri not for the Wookie's smarts, but for the fact that he's a six foot beast man. Would you fuck with a six foot beast man? I would, but that doesn't really prove anything. 3. Yoda speaks in completely sentences, just insideout. --BlueHighwind 12:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
That is true, therefore ronsos= not too bright. ChaosEsperVII
1. Yeah, 'cause learning something doesn't take any ability whatsoever. Plus, Bartz wasn't dumb, just naive (And no, they're not the same thing). Oh, and I see you didn't include Quistis on your list? End of argument. 2. Brain over brawn, as the saying goes. 'Nuff said. Try basing your arguments on anything other than speculation next time. 3. I'll agree with you on this one. Still, not being able to talk correctly has no direct correlation to your intelligence. If Albert Einstein had a major speech impediment, would you call him dumb? According to what I've seen here, you would. - Deadlyslashsword
Kimahri's smart enough to have a method of obtaining Blue Magic without getting his ass hit with the first. And I think you're confusing Ignorance and plain stupidity or just hate Kimahri so much you don't want to say anything nice about him. Anyway point is, you can't guage someone's intelligence on how they speak. AnonyMan
Guys, Kimahri is smart but he wasn't taught 'language' he was taught how to fight and survive(Also, Ronso history but does that matter really?) Do you guys really enjoy arguing to make a meaningless point about a character? Otens
No, we argue because we all think we're right. Just like any other fucking argument. - Deadlyslashsword
I know for a fact that I'm wrong. But I just like bashing Kimahri. --BlueHighwind 00:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Acquiring abilities does not equate to intellect either. Kimahri is just whatever. I'm bashing him so we can have stupid arguments again. Plan worked. The 7th Chaos Esper pwns. ChaosEsperVII
Good enough for me.Enjoy// Otens
For the record, I don't like Kimahri either, but if you two seriously enjoy antagonizing us for the sake of arguing...whatever. Nothing I say is going to stop you from doing it. Just don't mess with me. Then I'll have a problem. - Deadlyslashsword
Newb. ChaosEsperVII
Not in the slightest. - Deadlyslashsword
Belly button picker. ChaosEsperVII
Oh, real mature. How old are you, five? - Deadlyslashsword

Red XIII's an Idiot because he follows someone like Cloud Strife around. The rest of the VII cast must not be too bright either since they do so too and let him lead. Haha! Anony

Don't forget that Barret often complains about that. He wanted to be the leader. And Tifa and Aeris are apparently blinded by love, so they aren't thinking too clearly. Red XIII may be 48, but he's the equivalent of a 15 or 16 year old, so the judgment part of his brain hasn't developed yet. Vincent is too into himself to care. Cid...Wait, why doesn't Cid take charge? Huh...Anyway, Cait Sith and Yuffie are just too stupid too live. --ChiefKakashi 21:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I see. Yeah, I agree. FFVII's crew for the most part blows huge chunks. AnonyMan
And we are hating the FFVII party why? Because you guys probably don't use them properly? Maybe if the remake comes out they won't be as dumb? Or maybe you guys need to look up the plotline a little more carefully? Krystal Tomlin
That argument makes no sense, as FFVII's characters are nearly identical in terms of function in battle. The same does not apply in FFX until the end of the game. In any case, being an FFVII anti-fanboy is just as annoying as being an FFVII fanboy. Deoxyribose
Hey, I said for the most part, there's a small number of good characters same with X's party. Not everyone dislikes FFVII for the sake of disliking FFVII I like it more than FFX. AnonyMan
the only good characters are Auron, Tidus, and Yuna. And Wakka and rikku are only useful for overdrives, but wakka is annoying so i used rikku more. In the beginning, everyone has their uses, but towards the end the first three are the best. In VII, all the fighters are balanced except Cloud, Tifa, Vincent, and Aeris. Cid is the epitome of balanced. the rest are still useful anyways: Barret for power, tanking, and limits; Yuffie for power and magic; Red XIII for power and magic; and Cait Sith for tanking, power, and magic. I'd say VII and VIII's casts are the most useable. I guess XII's as well because they are all the same. ChaosEsperVII
Hey, don't get me wrong, I love the FFVII party! (Especially Tifa) That's why I'm making excuses for them. :P --ChiefKakashi 21:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking forward to XIII's party, from the looks of it, XIII and Versus could have one of the better casts of characters. ChaosEsperVII
FFXIII's definitely going to be a kick ass cast. Just look at Lightning in the trailers! I really want to see the rest of the cast, though. So far we only have three :( I hope there's more! I don't like it when there's only a few main characters, like the early games <.< Yzz 15:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Smae here, especially if the few characters suck. I hope there's more characters, Lightning and the other 2 are pretty lame to me. Then again I stopped having high hopes for casts after FFX(XII surprised me), who knows though, maybe XIII could have my second favorite FF cast. AnonyMan

The score's 56 to 28, it's obvious who's gonna win, can we end this yet? --SCM 22:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Week 85: Agrias v. Beatrix[edit source]

36 to 35
As promised, the only Final Fantasy Tactics character to beat any numbered game character returns to see if lightning can strike twice. Agrias Oaks, Holy Knight, faces off versus the brutally tough sword-wielding maiden Beatrix.

Votes for Agrias Oaks[edit source]

  1. This is my fight, so I have to put my vote up the top ^_-. Agrias kept my party alive in FFT, and I adore her character design. -- YuanSalutActus 01:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  2. Agrias is just more badass OwlEye 01:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  3. She looks cool and actually joins you. BlueLionheart
  4. BfD: She saved me with Pheonix Downs on several occasions, and she's moar badass. -02:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  5. Henryacores: Real women wear lipstick ;)
  6. N/A 02:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  7. Ultimateria: I'll take a Yoshida over a sprite any day. Why the lack of IX art?
  8. Lockhart - Beatrix is awesome, but Agrias is one my favorites from FFT. Might be my favorite from that game.
  9. Theentertainer: - YES! Much love for Agrias!!
  10. She looks betterMaj.H
  11. Considering that Beatrix spent an awful lot of time working for the crazy Queen Brahne, Agrias wins by merit of her unwavering nobility and dedication to Ovelia. Deoxyribose
  12. Agrias rocks. She has kick ass move and she has herown special job.KICKASS! User:Ultima The High Seraph
  13. Dancing Daggesr: Normally I'd have some ridiculously long-winded reason for voting, but this time I don't. Sorry.
  14. Firionklauser:
  15. Sora G. Strife Oh yeah!
  16. She has the second best skill set in the game, and she's *gasp* playable. She may not have much impact on the story, but she is better than Beatrix Cloudofdarkness ^_^
  17. I used Agrias as a punching bag to grind my other characters. She was at such a low level and still was able to ward off enemies that approached her.--Oranejo 19:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  18. Deadlyslashsword: This is a close call for me. Beatrix would kick Agrais' ass, but, as abovementioned, Agrias is playable. Besides, Beatrix wears the stupidest looking eyepatch I have ever seen.
  19. I can't count how many times Agrias has saved me. Before acquiring Orlandeau, my strategy for every battle was Tailwinding Agrias with every one of Ramza's turns. --DarthBangaa
  20. Master Conjurer: Beatrix was just a female Steiner. And she wasn't even funny.
  21. ChaosEsperVII: Stasis sword, lightning stab, and holy explosion ftw. Btw, Agrias is the original. FFT came out long before. Plus she's the best.... after Beowulf, TG Cid, Ramza, and Meliadoul
  22. MCMLXXXIV: I'm voting for the original!
  23. Pablo618: Meh
  24. Hexed: Because I can.
  25. Vestras: Hands down, the gorgeous Oaks. Far more powerful, better character, and just all around awesome.
  26. Vanishing Star: I like them both. But, this would be an ultimate win for Tactics.
  27. ChiefKakashi 17:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
  28. SilverMage: Both are awesome, both have life-saving skills, but the pincher is that Agrias is a full-time member, and is still just as hot as Beatrix even without a nose.
  29. Ivalicia: If you look at my name I'm sure this vote isn't surprising.
  30. Sinh
  31. Yzz: My first vote (and edit!) Yay~ And of course it's for the beautiful and powerful Agrias. I've loved her ever since I played the game when I was young, and even though I do love Beatrix, Agrias has amazing skills! If it weren't for some of them, I may not have won certain battles :x
  32. General Leo: Agrais for the win, mostly because she has a tad more personality than Beatrix, not to mention the fact that she's one of the more badass warrior women ever to come from a FF game.
  33. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. i prefer agrias thiiiis much, i have a weird feeling beatrix would kick her ass but we shall see. holy sword saved my life!
  2. Agrias was one of the best if not the best character in Final Fantasy Tactics for me. The only person to probably be able to beat the Thunder God in the game...Delita is just a copy cat for her job. Agrias roxs!! Plus Tactics was made first so Agrias is the Original :P -TheDarkDeath
  3. Before Orlandeu, her Divine Ruination was my lifesaver.
  4. You people are just trying to get beatrix a win...shame. It didn't work last time it won't work this time. Agrias has awsome skills and doubles as an effective white mage, Beatrix is useable for only a very little time and really adds nothing to the group. Agrias wins. Period.
  5. to anonymous vote#4 under Beatrix... It must be sad not knowing Yuna or Fran. Either way I choose Agrias since she rocks as holy knight.
  6. This is a really close match. All things considered, I think Agrias and Beatrix are the two best-written female characters in franchise history. That said, I do indeed put them in that order. Agrias.

Votes for Beatrix[edit source]

  1. As much as I love Agrais, no Knight can beat Beatrix. --Gamer2127
  2. BlueHighwind I'm voting for the original. Agrias is fine, only FFT kinda screwed itself by keeping most of the playable characters out of the main plot (I don't Agrias even has a line in Chapter 3). But Beatrix is a fully-fledged character. Can't compare.
  3. AnonyMan: Beatrix(and Freya) puts all other female knight warriors before and after her to shame. As a character and(obviously but not importantly physically). Agrias is fine, but she's doesn't really stand out. BH is right, I kinda forgotten she was in the party after a certain point(I also didn't user past I needed to). I hope B doesn't lose to another person she's cooler than again, and so soon.
  4. Duh (That's 4.). --SCM
  5. TKOTL
  6. Beatrix rocks, although I'm a little displeased to see two fights with her so close together when there are plenty of other options. Drake Clawfang
  7. To be able to use skills other characters never really use because of the game's length, Beatrix is now one of my main party members thanks to my Gameshark. She also has awesome lines, "Allow me to shatter your delusions of grandeur", "Ignorant fools".--Super Sephiroth
  8. Beatrix is one of best chars of FF9, but it's pity that she was only a guest character.
  9. Rocking Chair I njever played Tactics but i love Beatrix. Come on who wouldnt want to get their arse kicked by her
  10. Dark Raven
  11. RogueTomato I gotta vote for Beatrix. She's mean.
  12. Jecht37 She has an eyepatch ^-^
  13. Murasame77 C'mon, who didn't love fighting against and then later controlling Beatrix? Favourite FFIX character without question.
  14. Arcanedude34: Beatrix is pure awesome, with epic win on the side. The only disappointment I had about her was that her moves were substantially weaker once you controlled her, and they cost a lot of MP. Agrais... is very forgettable. Very.
  15. BritBoy: This was a no brainer
  16. Rihya - Beatrix is one of the greatest female characters on ALL Final Fantasies... I agree with Drake Clawfang here, though... Kinda sucks too see two fights with her so near each other...
  17. Sanctiel
  18. Konira
  19. Charles-leonhart: Beatrix wrecked your party everytime you fought her. She would definitly win.
  20. They're both excellent characters. But as previous comments show, Agrias completely drops out of the story after she joins your team. Beatrix also has her own theme, Rose of May. It's beautiful, simplistic, and I can play it on the piano.
  21. Aleria: How could I not vote for her, honestly!
  22. Blykus: Beatrix is my favorite female character in the series.
  23. Faethinverba volant :Quam Beatrix est femina qui Alexandriam contegat!
  24. With Beatrix, it's like they took Agrias, poked out her eye, and made her even more bad ass.--Muchomas35 20:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
  25. Beatrix simply owns, that's all there is to it.Black Mage Zemekis
  26. Regardless of my sn, this seems rather obvious. To put it simply, refer to the Beatrix (Boss) page... at the bottom of her stats, under Other Information: 'This battle cannot be won.' There you are folks. CinnaMan
  27. Rydiaofmist: Dang, this is a tough call.
  28. Who's the other guy? And yeah, I said GUY. One-eyed chicks over guys any day of the week...although I'm sure BH would argue with this statement. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 20:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
  29. Huh...this is hard. Both are great. However, Beatrix is in the better game and is just an tad bit more UTTERLY BADASS. --Golden Monkey 21:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
  30. Seiken+Hair Flipping+Save The Queen=Advantage Beatrix... but this battle's gonna be a tie UsmcRave99
  31. Hyacynth: For only being playable very very briefly, Beatrix has a more interesting character arc than Agrias. Plus Beatrix has awesome lines like "Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" SHE CAN REDUCE ME TO 1HP ANY DAY.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Beatrix is the only reason that I would EVER play FFIX again...just because she totally rocks \m/ >.< \m/
  2. I've never played the game either of them are in, so im going to choose Beatrix because in IX she was an unbeatable boss
  3. Beatrix is actually kinda sexy :D
  4. Beatrix is the most awesome and sexy ff character ever!
  5. BEATRIX, that, the armor (what armor?!), the Her skills are pretty ownage for a Paladin with Wht Magic, sorta like a revitalized Celes. Her skill set may be strictly balanced for FFIX but you have to admit the skill set is good. She has a better back story & her being non-permanent & GameShark only to use makes her even more ownage. But I still gotta give props to Agrias.
  6. ...
  7. come on, beatrix has the beautiful bronzed curls for hair and has awesome magic skills to boot with SAVE THE QUEEN, best sword ever
  8. Love ff9, love beatrix, and have never heard of the other

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

It's really hard to vote for someone when you haven't played the games yet. BlueLionheart

I wonder how many votes Agrias gets over Beatrix, with the factshe's a fully-playabe character being the deciding factor? They were smart not to make Beatrix a permamnent character, it would have been like TG Cid again, maybe not as bad.AnonyMan

It definetely would not have been as bad. Hell, Beatrix actually died on me. I think it is because I overestimated her power though.--Oranejo 19:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
No Sephiroth as playable in 7 would have been like a TG Cid. Remember in the flashback when he refused to take damage? ChaosEsperVII
I guess that's true too. It's just funny to see him get muscled by a border-line anon grunt 49 levels lover than him. AnonyMan
Actually........ Yes that was funny. Cloud pwns at any level I suppose. ChaosEsperVII

Hmm... can't decide... >< leaning towards Beatrix, though. @ BH: Didn't Tactics come out before IX? 8bit 02:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't choose...haven't played either game, making it hard to decide... >.<

This is waaaay too close for me to vote either one -dudutsai

Anyone else find it annoying that people keep voting for Beatrix because she's the 'original' even though Tactics came out first OwlEye 03:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think a lot of people here consider "main series" synonymous with "original". --SCM 04:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
And I'm probably the only one to find that completley retarded right OwlEye 04:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I only saw BH say that Beatrix was the original. So no, I don't find it annoying that one person said that. --Gamer2127 04:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm just bored OwlEye 04:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Another "draw" in last week's fight? tss..Firionklauser

This is stupid, if Beatrix loses again, I'm going to have to go kamikaze. -_-'. I also just laughed my ass off at the lipstick comment. If you take a pig, and put lipstick on it, it is still a pig! Beatrix Must win! Sarah Palin must, ahem,Agrias must lose!Seymour
Congratulations, I didn't know if I would vote on this because I haven't player either. But if you compare Agiras to Palin, I have to vote Beatrix. Vote Obama! RowdyCMoore
Randy, I think you just said the single dumbest thing I've ever read on this website. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
I agree with TA. That is the single dumbest thing on any site. OwlEye 17:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Your ignorance to what other's political feelings are doesn't quite matter. The constitution gives me, and every person in here the right to say that they believe ____ Should be president, or that _____ is like Palin. I was clearly joking, and if you do not know what a joke is, perhaps you should vote for the man who had skin cancer and a swollen left gland.Seymour
So you're bringing politics to the colloseum? Do you think if the votes for the candidates are within 10% of each other they'll have to call it a draw? Dancing Daggers
Master Conjurer: Actually, in politics, if it's within 10% there are about five recounts and then the one with less votes becomes president.
SeymourI believe that's correct, or near correct. That is how Al Gore WON, not LOST, Florida. I live in Florida, and all I can say is -- Good Job, Supreme Court. Good Job, now were in a useless war with a crappy economy!
Dood, chill I'm not trying to diss your opinion, just saying I disagree wit you is all OwlEye 21:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I guess I thought this was a battle between Agrias and Beatrix. I must have been gravely mistaken, because there's all this talk of politics. --BlueHighwind 23:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Seymour Yes, clearly Agrias is Sarah Palin and Beatrix is Hillary Clinton ( minus the evil-ness ).
We are not going to have a political discussion here. That is a period at the end of that sentence. No, I do not think this is comparable to Gogo v. Adlai Stephenson. - T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Seymour Well, let your opinion be your own. The Constitution gives me and every person in here the right to speak about such things, even if you do not approve of it.
BornfromDarkness: Hurray for flame wars that make no sense and make me lulz! =D -21:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the Constitution's First Admendment, states that the federal government cannot stop you from saying what you want. We at the Final Fantasy Wiki are not a branch of the federal government. --BlueHighwind 01:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
You are all Communists and will be burned at the stake if you don't behave like good citizens and exercise your freedom not to speak. I hope that solved our problems.... Or not. I miss the epic old fight where I can argue with someone. ChaosEsperVII
Dammit, people! We dont care about your political choice and even if we do, dont put it here! And down with Capitalism, ChaosEsper!!! (here's your argument) Maj.H
Muwahaha! Conflict! I thrive off of it. The 7th Chaos Esper goes to war! Politics are foolish. Bring the anarchy! Yet anarchy itself, could be a form of politics. Bah! Less time thinking, more acting the fool!..... This bites. ChaosEsperVII
Hahaha! Been a whole since I havent had any arguments, this is the one thats gonna get me banned, so make it a good one!: Anarchy stinks! Communism is the key to happiness, all we need is construct a Gulag or two and imprison every one we dont like and u have paradise in front of you!! Maj.H
Well you know the thing about Chaos? It's fair. ChaosEsperVII

SilverMage: I'm not sure whether arguing about politics in a battle featuring Agrias, whose game prominently featured politics, is poignant or just randomly stupid.

Sora G. Strife: Me neither. Wait, Agrias is winning? HOLY-

What's wrong with that? They're like the same character, anyway. --BlueHighwind 12:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Why wouldn't she win? (here's my fight) ChaosEsperVII
Sora G. Strife Hey, at least Agrias has the sword and enough MP to go 999 damage on Ultima, Arch Seraph with a "Holy." Several times, plus the Tynar Rouge (boost to Holy, take that!). Beatrix has to reload her MP frequently, though. That's what I hear.

Week 84: Black Mage v. White Mage[edit source]

56 to 54
Ebony and Ivory are not living in peace and harmony this week. The war of the Mages. Forget Red, Green, Arcane, Blue, and all those other little colors, this week we go back to the roots of Magic, Black Mage v. White Mage.

Votes for Black Mage[edit source]

  1. METEOR!!! JudgeZarbi
  2. Though I've probably voted for the White Mage before, I'm going with Black Magic this time. True, the WM can keep the party healthy, but if you can nuke everything before it becomes a threat who needs healing? Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, in this case explosive light show offense. And the BLMs have good representatives, like Montblanc and the ever popular Vivi. AnonyMan
  3. Because Black Mages are awesome. Gamer2127
  4. Duh (That's 3 in a row now). --SCM 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  5. Black mages like Vivi and Lulu are so gonna own those weaklings! Squallinoa 08 01:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  6. Who needs defense when you can squash the enemy in a few seconds?! DVardonir 01:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  7. Just because you can heal with items, WHM is not "Needed" - Materiasdraw
  8. See username. Black Mages have two distinct areas of advantage over White Mages: First, their ability to take advantage of elemental weaknesses or blast away foes with non-elemental spells like Flare. Second, Drain and Osmose means BMs can become self-restoring Energizer Bunnies. Doesn't help other party members, equip an elemental absorbing armor if you want to complain :P Also, there is Vivi. 8bit 01:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  9. Oranejo 02:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  10. I really like both Black and White mages, and every time I can I have at least one of each in my party, but Black Mages are way funnier to play with! Healing might be useful, and at some times necessary, but it's boring as hell! Plus, when it comes to representatives to each class I'd easily choose Rydia, Palom, Vivi, Lulu and Doga over Rosa, Porom, Eiko, Yuna and Aria... - Rihya
  11. Deadlyslashsword: White mages are convienient, but I beat FF1 without one, I beat FF5 without blowing shit up (Meteor, Ultima) is a huge bonus for me.
  12. Gyromite: Black Mage can Duelcast Ultima while White Mage tries to cast Cure on itself. Basiclly, without help, White Mages are useless. (well, more useless in some cases...)
  13. Vito:Black Mages.
  14. Aleria
  15. Adam Mcduck: I prefer destruction to resurrection.
  16. Chocobo Knight: I like them both, so the decision is made on some of the cool Black Mages there are!
  17. i'll vote for the black mages, since my fave characters are vivi, lulu and edea. black mage can just cast death for an easy win. Fonzyboi
  18. PeanutLord 18:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Vivi and Montblanc >>> all.
  19. Black Mage, hands down. Sometimes the best defense is a powerful offense. --Tex HOWDY!!! 18:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  20. RogueTomato I gotta vote for the black mage on this one. Some of their spells are deadly.
  21. Sanctiel NUKE!
  22. User:UndyingvsSephiroth looks better, underrated, and underused thanks to the creator's overly high magic defense statistic. So my vote goes to Black Mage
  23. Krystal: Time to teach you a thing or two about Black Magic!
  24. arcanedude34: Black Mages are infinitely cooler then White Mages. Google search "cowboy Black Mage", click on the first image and you'll see what I mean. ; )
  25. Super Sephiroth: Rain down some Meteor, blow everything apart with Flare, use the four elements, and FFT's Arithmeticks just make the Black mage to awesome. Loook:Vivi, Palom, Lulu...
  26. Vanishing Star This is for you, Rydia! :D .
  27. Gwythinn BM by a mile. Black spells do all the damage and IIRC BM's weapons did more hand-to-hand damage as well (in FF1). All BM has to do is get WM on the defensive once and he owns the rest of the battle. When WM runs out of MP, it's curtains for her, whether by spell or by blade.
  28. Vitor - Oh, I completely understand the White Mage's usefulness. My current decision, however, is based on style.
  29. BlueLionheart - Quake, Meteor, Flare and Ultima.
  30. BornfromDarkness 20:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC): Nuke! >D
  31. Rydiaofmist I don't really think one is better than the other. I just find black mages more fun to use.
  32. We've already had this --Maverick King 00:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
  33. BritBoy: Black Mages are cooler
  34. Draga: Gotta love the hat. A cool hat is power. Black Mages have cool hats. Therefore they have power.
  35. Golden Monkey: There is no theory of evolution, just an list of animals Black Mages allow to live. Plus, Vivi-AKA Awesome Incarnate-was an Black Mage.
  36. Twilight_rain:Well, I've got a thing for ice, so I must say Blizzaga owns Holy and healing magic. Besides, a strong Black Mage can wipe out the enemy party before they get a chance to attack you.
  37. OwlEye: It's Stabbity Time OwlEye 20:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
  38. Pylraster: It's like a guy with a rocket launcher vs. a doctor that can heal extremely fast. Black Magic can solve any problem. Giant door in the way? Blow that shit up with Flare. Giant army of soldiers stronger than you? Blow that shit away with Scathe. Giant monster threatening to end the world? Blow that shit to pieces with Meteor. Mysterious arcane villian threatening to end your life? Blow that shit to oblivion with Ultima. An annoying monster in the way of your mission? Burn, Freeze, Shock, Drown, Destroy, Suffocate, Crush, Sicken or Maim that shit with Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water/Earth/ Wind/Gravity/Poison/Dark magic. And don't forget Osmose! The Black Mage can render a White Mage useless with a couple of Osmose spells.
  39. 3155: Hmmm... Giant Hammer o' Doom, or Hadoken??? HADOKEN!!!
  40. Does everyone forget that dispel is a black magic spell? The black mage can simply dispel the reflect while using doublecast then cast its most powerful spell and death. Phade Paradox 12:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
  41. Skoot85:I think we are all forgetting this is a massively awesome popularity contest and with that being said black mages are cool.
  42. This is reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllyyyyy close right now, but if black mages win by even one point, it counts to me. ChocoboRider
  43. Jammi568: Don't you ever wonder what's under that hat?
  44. One word can solve this debate. HADOKAN! The Black Mage
  45. Terra_Homing Who needs healing when you can just use ultima and destroy enemies?!
  46. I realy like black mages a lot so this is easy decision ArableLadle

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Could just be me, but I feel white mages are killed way to easily. The only thing that can save them is learning black magic or getting a summon! [Seymour would like to say that most Summoners were White Mages..]
  2. This decision is too easy for me. I think that black mage is the best class ever! Black mages for the victory!
  3. Black mages win because they can get away with the excuse that "that orphanage attacked me!" and mean it in their point of view.
  4. Black mages and white mages were equal once before... I would have gone to white mages for protect, haste, slow, curaja and all that cool white magic... except now that green and time mages exist, the white mage impact is greatly severed. Other mages like arcane and blue only add to offense, they do not take much away from what was rightfully black magic (other than death and drain... not much of a loss since flare is there + scathe etc)
  5. Pyntie-hets are amazing!
  6. Why heal something when you can burn its face off? RedMage
  7. If black magic good enough for Bahamut (Mega-Flare) its good enough for me.
  8. in response to white mage vote #10, we'll just use flare before you get a change to silence us. even if you use a phoenix down, you'll just be killed again.
  9. I respect white mages and this was definitely a hard decision for me to make, but I prefer destruction to peace, so I'll have to go with the black mage.
  10. some white mage guys mention silence and berserk but those are green magics not white, and i hardly ever use a white mage and have never actualy needed one
  11. Black is my favorrite color. And Black mages are awesome~!
  12. Ultima is awesome. And the Black Mages look cuter then their counterparts.
  13. Of course Black Mages! Ultima, Flare...Thunder, Fire, Blizzard...they have a lot of spells for your killing needs.
  14. I'd say it's pretty obvious, all white mages can do is protect themselves and cast one or two offensive spells in a feeble attempt to not die.
  15. Dang this is a hard choice. On one hand the White Mages have healing abilities while Black Mages have attacks... But me being the violent person I am is going to have to go with the Black Mages.
  16. Black mages have all these offensive techniques and the only offensive technique a white mage has now is Holy.

Votes for White Mage[edit source]

  1. Lockhart - First in for the White Mage! Woo! I'm always a fan of some good healing.
  2. Drake Clawfang Ah, my darling Rydia is a black mage, but I must side my vote with the lovely Aeris on this fight. Simply put, there's plenty of ways, including magic, to inflict pain and suffering on enemies - but there are not so many ways to keep your party alive, and while the Black Mage contends with Blue Magic, Summon Magic, and all the offensive attackers for the role of damage dealer, no one is a damage healer like the White Mage.
  3. Henryacores:Mandatory if you play FF. Cure is necessary to finish II. No Curaja, and Cloud of Darkness will kill you. Rosa can doo wonders with both arrow and tongue. Holy is useful in V. Life 3! Again, Holy saves the day! Curaga is good for HP.Junctioning in the beginning of the game...Two White Mages: Twice the fun! And who could forget our "dear" High Summoner? White Mages own!
  4. Yumino~: White mages are best~!
  5. Real Genius. If you're not going to heal, you will lose, so why are you playing in the first place? And you can't just NUKE (Flare) every enemy before they take a turn. The only final boss you can do that with is Yu Yevon, and no-one cares about Yu Yevon. And you can't do that with Omega Weapon either unless you're in FFX. And Holy is as good as Flare anyway.
  6. dudutsai: Black mage can't heal himself while White mage can't kill.... OH WAIT YES SHE CAN!! Plus holy is on par with flare, so in terms of usefulness I'd always go WM
  7. Maj.H: Despite the fact I hate mages, I have to say white mages saved my life loads of times, while black mages just wastes my ether while I can deal more damage as a monk...
  8. P.M.: I don not need to explain in detail why the Whitew Mage is my perferable choice. Sure the Black Mage has heavy supporters, but as everyone here has said and will say, Black Mages can not win battles alone, whereas the White Mage can, even though not as thourough. I must say I will support the White Mage without question, as I am a White Mage myself.
  9. Tell me what job class I am ^_-. You can live without Black Mages. No White Mages and you're dead meat. -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 02:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  10. Seymour2012: White Mages can reflect Black Magic; we shouldn't forget to point out...
  11. Master Conjurer: I'm personally a fan of summoners, but when it comes down to just white vs. black, I side with Yuna.
  12. RowdyCMoore Black mages blow things up. White mages are caring healers. Black mages have the Orko lookalike and a goth chick. White Mages have Rosa, Aeris and Yuna
  13. I have to go with White Mage here. Not only do they have among the best healing and support, they have Holy. With one of the best offensive spells out there, how can you go wrong? Deoxyribose
  14. Ameria Not going to far without a Healer. <3 the White Mages.
  15. Faethinverba volant : Because Ultima, Meteor, Flare and whatever are put down with a single Curaja. Also, Minwu ftw! Minwu is more badass than any Black Mage.
  16. I like Black Magic as much as the next guy but White magic has holy and holy is great. Suck ass Flare. Ultima The High Seraph
  17. Firionklauser Can't live without 'em
  18. Acropolis Vivi's team doesn't deserve another win...
  19. The A-Man Both are good -- but the amount of times i have saved my ass with Curaja, Esuna, Full-Life, Holy, and the rest are uncountable -- even though black mages look better, i'd rather be a white mage any day.
  20. ChiefKakashi: White mages are always useful. Black mages...not as often.
  21. Tactical Troubadour I'll take one Curaga over any overpowered Meteor/Flare/Ultima any day!
  22. SilverMage Black mages are cool and everything, but white mages are just more important. I don't care how powerful you are, you can't use those spells if you're dead.
  23. XiaTheFatalWhispher 01:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC) I love white mages! Black magic gets less useful later on anyways.
  24. Tragedian I'd love to be able to heal wounds, smash someone's face in with a hammer, and then blast them away with Holy.
  25. User:Zephyrus11 A White mage can undo a whole lot more than a single black mage can do. Plus Holy > Flare.
  26. Sora G. Strife 08:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC) Help, don't harm. -personal philosophy
  27. Otens: I am a White mage or priest, so yeah naturally I'll vote for them. Also holy.
  28. UM: Black Magic is just a waste of time (FFT) or MP (the rest of the series).
  29. Blykus: While a Black Mage is always a valuable asset, there are numerous other jobs that offer heavy damage. White Mage keeps my party alive against the damage they take, which is more important to me.
  30. Bartz235: White Mages have Rosa, Porom, Aeris, Garnet, Yuna.
  31. AvaGirl10Roses: White mages are more crucial to a party than a black mage...
  32. Pablo618: because the votes on the BM side are baseless, a WM and a BM are useless without the other one
  33. HighSummoner: I find it incredibly annoying to heal with potions, so a white mage is a must in my party. For this, I'm voting this side.
  34. The King of the Loveless: I have always loved white mages thewy are way more useful than Black mages.
  35. Alan120691:If it wasn't for my white mage (well, devout really), I never would of made it through III's final level.
  36. Sinh
  37. Vermandois: I can't tell you how many time my WM has saved my ass. Besides, black mages waste all their mp with just 3-4 Ultima/Flare, and you could cast Curaja 12-15 times with the same mp. White Mages for the win.
  38. Fuzzy: A well-placed Reflect spell would end this battle.
  39. Copus: Holy ftw, white is always more useful on the whole.
  40. Dancing Daggers: Okay, I can't think of any specific time when I actually needed a black mage, so I'm going to say that White Mages are far more useful, especially in FFTA where they just rule. I can also make some obscure connection to the Holy Paladins, and how they are all really cool with that honour/chivalry/protecting people and shit. Holy > everything else.
  41. Cloudofdarkness ^_^: You NEED a white mage in a game, where as the Black mage isn't needed (but certainly appreciated). Just try beating a game with out white magic, it's impossible.
  42. Vestas - I gotta give the love to the White Mages. They keep us running and fighting link no one else can. Without one, the party is not going to make it far. Plus, Bonus for access to spells like Dia and Holy!
  43. <singing> Because Yuan Told me to </singing> Hexed
  44. Anastasia12I'm always a healing fan! white magic FTW this also the first I vote :)Anastasia12
  45. Summonerluna: White mages of course! They can heal, shell, esuna, reflect, and in Yuna's case completely nullify elemental magic, and STILL kick butt with Holy...Plus if white mage goes down then everyone is in trouble, but if black mage goes down...well we all know who is going to bring him back! <3
  46. Otherarrow: It is better to heal than to hurt...
  47. Maverick Riot: I really love the outfits of both, but technically, the Devout class, and anything with cat ears, tends to be related to the White Magic class. And that sways it for me. Plus, white magic is usually consistently more useful in battle. You can live without Black Magic much easier than without White Magic. Plus White dabbles in offensive spells too; Black Magic is limited more to Drain and Osmose. If they perhaps designed a Black Mage design with some cat ears I would have taken the other side...? :P

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. I think White Mages are better. True, Black Mages have the most damaging spells like Meteor, Flare, or Ultima, and can use Drain and Osmose to sustain themselves. But the White Mages can help everyone with Curaga, Shell, Protect, and Reflect; and have a few spells to attack, like Holy, not to mention that their healing spells can hurt the undead. And Life3/Rearise/Auto-life is a blessing considering what it does. While I consider both of them usefull, I think the White Mages are more important to have than Black Mages.
  2. initially white mages had considerably high hp only second to the warrior in the first game and ultima was white magic, plus they have holy under in their belt too! much more helpful and the better of the mages. and they have the hammer which is brilliant!
  3. White Mages are so under-valued. Sure, they're no help defeating a major boss, but they keep you alive so that you can finish it off. I've been spared the words "Game Over" many-a-time thanks to this job class.
  4. their outfit is damn iconic! i want a white hood with red trims please! plus their magic saves the day everyday :)
  5. what can a white mage not do? sure they may not be as offensive but they still have Holy which is awesome and saves the day in FF7 (although it sucks you cant actually use it in gameplay :/) Alas, they've got style and some white mages enjoy summoning capabilities; cant argue with that
  6. Oh wow! What can you not love about the white mage, dont go on to me about their style when hello! White robe with red trim? And have you seen some of the white mages outfits, Aeris and little pink dress... Dagger and her orange jumpsuit and Yuna and that ... very nice dress of hers. Lulu may pwn them all with the death glare but purple lipstick is always a no-no
  7. come on this is a no brainer! you're going to be using healing magic so much more than any black magic it usually takes forever to get any that are actually worth using whereas you can reflect the black magic and enjoy the bathing glow of white magic saving your ass.
  8. White Mages. At first, I didn't realize it, but White Mages can block almost all of a Black Mages spells with Reflect. If a White Mage can get a Reflect off before a Black Mage can cast Flare, the Black Mage is doomed. Besides that, they are capable of both healing and attacking(with Holy). Although I suppose that if Drain doesn't reflect, a Black Mage could win, Drain reflected in the last game I checked.
  9. Well, if the White Mage casts Bersek on the Black Mage, the Black Mage looses, it can only physically attack, while the White Mage can still use magic. That eliminates even the Osmose threat.
  10. Ten words: "White Mages can Silence the Black Mages making spellcasting impossible!" Lets see how the Black Mage fans figure this one out (Even by Echo Screens they are just going to be Silenced again).
  11. White Mages are more useful.
  12. dispel is white magic so nyah!!! ultima was originally a white magic spell (remember ff2 minwu!) so double nyah!
  13. Healing ftw!
  14. Cant beat something that uses a hammer for killing
  15. Healing, Auto-life, Curaga, Shell, Protect, Reflect, and especially Holy! Long live white mages! P.S. Let's use silence! And summons! *summons the Magus Sisters* =)
  16. For Aeris ;-(
  17. White Mages FTW. Healing is pwnsome, plus all those status ailments they can cast combined with healing makes you invicible! Besides, they're SO CUTE! Aerith+magic stick=your fuking death.
  18. porom:-( why ffiv ds no party switching

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I am actually having real trouble choosing who to vote for. I love them both. Any suggestions? Convince me. --BlueHighwind 23:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

If we're using "ebony and ivory", why are we using blue and red for the vote sections? Drake Clawfang
Because a completely grey fight box depresses me. Color is nice. Also, if you look closely, you'll notice that Black Mages wear blue robes and White Mages have red trim. --BlueHighwind 23:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Then try this out. Drake Clawfang
Too much color. Look man, I spent almost a half hour hunting through a gigantic HTML color chart to find exactly the right hues and shades of grey to use. I like it the way it is. --BlueHighwind 23:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Grey? What grey, I see no grey in your designs. Drake Clawfang
Look, I made the design, I want it to stay the way it is. Black, white. I'm trying to fix it, but I get a EDIT CONFLICT every time. --BlueHighwind 23:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ironic! Our dear runaway holds the first call! How strange! =D - Henryacores 23:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well to be honest, with black and white for the image boxes, and blue and pink for the vote columns, the design looks stupid. Drake Clawfang
It looked a lot better until two lines were added to the intro, but I figured I should allow some compromise. I'm diet TacticAngel, just as bad, but in a nice light can. --BlueHighwind 23:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh you're right, without those two lines the entire color scheme looks gorgeous! @_@ Drake Clawfang

Woo, my fight was chosen. I didn't even notice. When was this made anyway? then. --Gamer2127 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Seymour2012Someone dye the Black Mage's hands black, that's bothering me.

When I think of white mages, I think of women who care and heal others. Can you say "Nurse Fantasy?" RowdyCMoore

Oddly, I almost always make my White Mages men whenever there is a Job System. Arc was a White Mage, Galuf was a White Mage, I even twisted Firion around to be proficient in "Cure" Magic. And my Black Mages are almost entirely women: Refia, Lenna, Rydia, Maria, Leila, Katrina (Generic from FFT), and Lulu. Vivi and Palom is the only exception. --BlueHighwind 12:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
It's the exact same for me, up to making Firion have high levels of Cure. And, also, as a fan of Santana, I've this personal rule that, whenever I can help it, my Black Mages are always women too. Faethinverba volant

Master Conjurer: Can I vote red?

Rocking Chair: Red Mages are useless you just get a White and Black Mage. Im struggling to pick here.

Deadlyslashsword: Red Mages are not useless; they've helped me out loads of times when and because I didn't feel like having or couldn't fit both a Black Mage and a White Mage in my party.
Master Conjurer: With that I agree. My FFI party was four Red Mages.

Rocking Chair: Red mages are versatile and useful at the beginning of the game but they are uselss when you have a Black and White Mage in your party. There is no room for them in your team. The only way i can see them possibly being used is if you get rid of either your thief or your monk but they are better than a Red Mage

Deadlyslashsword: In FF1, I had a thief and and a monk and a red mage (the 4th being a knight) and I was just fine. Actually, without my red mage, I would not have been able to beat Chaos.
Alan120691: The only really useful red mage I can think of in the series is in tactics advance when you have to use that job to learn dualcast. I will say though, I like the red mage art design better than the others.
Deoxyribose: They teach that ability in FFV as well, though it costs OVER 9000--er, 999 AP. Of course, during that time, you actually have to use a Red Mage, and they have mediocre stats. Anyway, close fight.
Deadlyslashsword: Can't we just call it dead heat?
As of 23:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC), they are dead even, 46 to 46. 8bit
As of 17:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC), they are still dead even, at 47.5 to 47.5. --ChiefKakashi 17:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous - This brings back great memories of 8-bit theatre... White Mage pwned BM.

BornfromDarkness 20:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC): This might just be my browser, but the BM section is twice the size it's supposed to be, and it squishes WM's section. :/

No, blame Pyralaster. Also, a few people put User votes in the anonymous section. That means I have to check if somebody is being stupid (in which case their vote gets deleted), or being very stupid by cheating. --BlueHighwind 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Dancing Daggers: erm, how many FF games has Black Mage annonymous no.10 actually played?

Master Conjurer: It sounds like they've only played FFXII. As far as I'm concerned, most things split to either black or white. It's been that way for a long time. I have never heard of anybody claiming to be a green mage.

It's a close race so far, but can someone pull it out in the final leg? --Gamer2127 01:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

As of 7:35 US Central, it appears that this one is looking like a draw by way of the "10% rule," folks. I think it's only fitting but it's your call, TA. --Tex HOWDY!!! 00:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Week 83: Adelbert Steiner v. Basch fon Ronsenburg[edit source]

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54½ to 40½
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Two of Final Fantasy's most recent loyal traitor-knights face off against one another; will the idealistic knight in shining armor emerge victorious or shall a sullied symbol of the past fight another day?

Votes for Steiner[edit source]

  1. BlueHighwind: Come on! Who couldn't love old Rusty?
  2. Gamer2127: I think Steiner might lose, but I like him sooo much more.
  3. Lockhart Woo! I finally got one of my suggestions into the DNC! Go Rusty!
  4. Do you start out each day with Gyshal Pickles? 8bit 23:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. Sanctiel: Of course im gonna vote against Basch.
  6. Vanishing Star I hate Basch! And why the hell does he keep getting DNC entries. Give it a break.
  7. Nothing like Rusty. All around a better character and looks cooler. Basch is cool in his own right, but as a XII character that's not saying much. Steiner can't lose it's not possible...ok, it is, but why? AnonyMan
  8. User: KoniraThax If Steiner loses, will know that Old School is losing it's love. He's in one of the best games, he's one of the best characters in Nine and if it weren't for him, I wouldn't have beaten it. Though Basch helps keep the 'Older Gentleman' status in Final Fantasy, he doesn't hold a candle to the past 'Older Gentlemen' of Final Fantasy - Cid Highwind, Auron, Steiner, FuSoYa, Josef, Etc. The old school knight get's all of the love from this fan hands freak'n down.
  9. Super Sephiroth: Its his badass original drawing, if it wasn't id vote for Basch.
  10. Goldberry2000: SIR RUSTALOT!!!
  11. Steiner was a funny character (even though it got a little boring after a while...) and a pretty powerful one. But what definitelly makes him win this battle is the fact that Beatrix had feelings for him! If she liked him, who am I to disagree? - Rihya
  12. Steiner has a great amusing charm. Basch is a great character, but not nearly as memorable as Steiner. Deoxyribose
  13. XadrenThe best knight in FF's history.
  14. Dark Raven : More useful in battle.
  15. Faethinverba volant :"Bah! It's only a flesh wound!"
  16. HenryA: No one surpasses Sir Rusty!!!
  17. Conjurer: Steiner is great comic relief. When tragedy strikes, there always needs to be somebody running in circles and flailing his arms about something unrelated. Basch is a great character, but while Steiner is the best at his thing, Basch's strong and silent type gig is already bested by Auron and Vincent.
  18. RogueTomato I like Basch, but I have to vote for ol' Rusty on this one. Basch is, in some ways, too cliche (too "knight-like"), while Steiner brings some good humor with him.
  19. User:Seymour2012 Final Fantasy IX over XII, Rusty was epic. Basch didn't have such a great role in the game.
  20. 00:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC) Again, moe.
  21. RowdyCMoore I'll take pity on him for his girlfriend losing to Celes.
  22. Zack fair 007 01:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  23. Eternal Twilight I love Steiner, he gets my vote cause he shows THE VERY BEST FF CHARACTER the most respect, check the link if your slow and dont know who i mean already, and even teams up with him which automatically means he would win a fight
  24. Rainacide - Rusty wins this one. He's in Final Fantasy IX an underrated game that just pwns. He's by far the strongest character in the game in terms of brute strength, he has the strongest weapon in the game even tho Basch can weird the Zodiac Spear. But getting the strongest weapon in FFIX poses more of a challenge then not picking up 4 pieces of treasure. He badmouths to Zidane, respects Vivi, a damn sex servant to Garnet & the mate of that good old Beatrix. What does Basch have? Larsa's dumb servant?
  25. Fyrmer Sure, Basch was one of the few FFXII characters I actually liked, but Steiner's just friggin' awesome. How could I not vote for him?
  26. User:Enuo - Steiner, naturally. One of the best characters in the entire series.
  27. ChocoboRider - Like 'em both, but Steiner is currently losing.
  28. Yumino~
  29. Jecht37 - Basch is nothing more than a badly dressed, uhh, badly dressed. Stiener was so much cooler.
  30. ArableLadle I like Basch a lot but Steiner is still better
  31. Mikadoxeno: I hated Rusty as a battle character, but you gotta love the shoes. Metal armor with a pair of sneakers.
  32. Terra_Homing: Go on Rusty!
  33. Drake:Everytime I play IX I name Steiner Drake. He's my third favorite in the game, just behind Vivi and Garnet, and right ahead of Blank.
  34. Ajox: Any character from IX beats any character from XII in every aspect...
  35. Arcanedude34: Yeah... just... Steainer. Much more unique personality.
  36. General Leo: Gonna go with Steiner, mostly because he's strong and a cool character, funny but at the same time, there is a deep moral conflict in him.

i like steiner Steiner: funny, respectful to some, stupid,( in a good way) and shiny. Kick basches ass rusty.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Steiner is funnier. Oneo of the strongest characters in my party.
  2. Steiner weilds awesome swords like excalibur and ragnorak and kicks ass! plus i love the sound he makes when he jumps around like a loon :P Basch? *snore*
  3. Steiner just seems to have more personality. Sure, Basch seems deeper and obviously has an interesting past, but Steiner offers more when it comes to during the game development which is where it counts. Plus, Steiner gets a bonus point for having the most challenging side-quest; getting Excalibur II (get to Excalibur II in 12 hours, with is very hard if you plan to complete the game with everything done).
  4. Basch was alright, but Steiner is just so much cooler. He isn't a generic "no abilities besides limit breaks/quickenings/whatever that game calls them" character to be customized however the players want, his personality isn't boring as hell, and he doesn't have that retarded hair. Basch looked awesome in RW, I must admit, but come on. He's the goddamned Batm-- Rusty.
  5. he´s much cooler and he has an attack that can do 9999 like hallo! "You want me to kill you, okey 9999!" dead..... okey all i want to say is he´s a very awsome character xD
  6. Steiner is great! Anyone who can combo with Vivi gets my vote.
  7. He may be a bit of a klutz, but Steiner is pretty cool afterall.
  8. the votes for steiner are more substantial than the votes for basch, people have actual reasons for it whereas people are just saying they like basch blah!!!!! proof steiner is better :)
  9. Rusty's a lot more likeable than Basch. He's funny, but still has enough depth for some great character development.

Votes for Basch[edit source]

  1. Go to my Userpage and check the top 10... And Flame Purge.... "Must I spend my life in servitude?" Steiner asks questions, Basch just get the job done without yelling at everyone. And Basch fon Ronsenburg's easier to spell than Adelbrthgfd SchtreinnerchMaj.H
  2. I've played XII for about ten minutes, but Basch in the opening scene was cool. Okay, sure it was his brother (I peeked ahead, sue me), but still. Steiner was just a loud-mouthed goon. Drake Clawfang
  3. I've actually played Final Fantasy XII, and Basch is way cool. BlueLionheart
  4. Badass main character or any sort of side character? Hmm...--Otherarrow 22:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. Pablo618: The former hero of FFXII
  6. Krystal: Basch has more backstory than Steiner.
  7. OwlEye: Salamander
  8. Basch, without a doubt. --Tex HOWDY!!! 23:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. Booo Steiner, he did get better later in the game though, but not better than Basch.--Oranejo 01:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. dudutsai: I think Basch was cooler as a character... didn't really use either of them in my party though. Also....BASCH LIVES!!!!!!!
  11. User:Skoot85:just cuz.
  12. Aleria: Aah, this one was soo hard... but I loved his quickenings and his personality, so gotta go with Basch.
  13. Adam Mcduck: While I do love Rusty, Basch is by far the cooler knight.
  14. Ameria: This isn't so much as a vote for Basch as a vote against Steiner. He just kept jumping up and down and yelling alot, not very knightly at all.
  15. JudgeZarbi 09:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  16. fallenangelofyaoi : Bewbz.
  17. Hexed: I would love to see him do a Leonidas moment, but the inner fanboy in me will never be sated.
  18. Another Duh. Let's see how many "Duh" votes in a row I can get here! (Currently on 2)--SCM
  19. This is definaitly an easy battle for the Ronsenbrg. Big duh. Final Fanaty IX was crap. Ultima The High Seraph
  20. BritBoy: He had awesome voice acting
  21. Sinh
  22. ChiefKakashi: Basch is cooler.
  23. BornfromDarkness 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  24. Cactuar83:Basch rox.
  25. Pylraster: Oh Basch Fon Ronsenburg. He Knows something of Cages. And Cages are made of metal. And have bars.
  26. Rydiaofmist: Both characters are just ok to me, but Steiner could be a little annoying at times.
  27. Deadlyslashsword: Basch doesn't wear eyeliner.
  28. Sorry Highwind. -- N/A 02:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  29. Not that IX was a bad game but seriously... IM CAPTIAN BASCH!!!! Dont listen to Ondore's lies! - Saraija Merinas
  30. Basch wins at sexiness. --Zephyrus11 03:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  31. DVRDNR: DUH!
  32. Maverick Riot: I like both games but... it's Basch. No two ways about it really.
  33. Dancing Daggers: I love FF IX, in fact i'm currently playing through it again; i've just recruited Amarant. But I really cannot be bothered to like Steiner, and Basch is just so much cooler and darker.
  34. Basch can kill enemies with exploding swords. Besides, FF IX sucked. Real Genius
  35. Do I need a reason to vote, no, I don't. Cloudofdarkness ^_^
  36. I just think Basch is cooler for no apparent reason. --Mjka 21:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
  37. Mateus: Basch is too sexy to be vote.
  38. DarthBangaa: Basch.
  39. User:The King of the Loveless: Because he's awesome.
  40. ChaosEsperVII: Basch knows what it takes to be cool. Steiner does not. And Basch's quickenings look gangster.
  41. Obvious choice. Steve C // talk // email // 03:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  42. Barat Falcorm: Flame Purge, bye bye Steiner
  43. basch is kick ass. thats it
  44. Blykus 11:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  45. Vestras - the guys a walking ball of awesome, vs a knight wearing to much eyeliner and missing his shins. dark Knight Balthir wins by a few dozen kilometers.
  46. Fuzzy McTeddyfluff:How could I not vote for a graduate of the Shakespearean School of Kicking-Your-Ass Eloquence?
  47. Theentertainer: Well since he got screwed in not being allowed to be the main character in FFXII. That being said if we're going head to head with knights, I want the guy that keeps his cool and wields the Zodiac spear versus biggest spaz in FF History.
  48. UsmcRave99: Compared to Steiner Basch wears next to no armor and still kicks more ass.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Yay !
  2. Never played IX (though I really want to...) So I'm going to have to go with Basch on this one.
  3. Steiner, like most other characters from IX, gets on my nerves way too much. Basch has the real soul and demeanor of an honorable warrior.
  4. Although I loved IX, I loved XII more...And Basch is just awesome.
  6. I freaking hate FFIX. I played it, never liked it, and at times I even deny its existence. I've played FFXII and that was a good game. I expecially liked the focus on war and the government in the plot.
  7. Basch is stronger he survived three years of starvation and still was able to destroy Vayne, plus basch has that cool scar.
  8. looks cooler
  9. Yay, potholder.
  10. i like steiner better but basch would win
  11. --Should have put Steiner in the damned oubliette :p Basch was waay cooler and officialy was meant to be the main hero of ff xii----
  12. 'Cause he's from the game I actually played. The slightest bit. hehe Damn those guards in the castle. I hated that king anyways. One that dies early is a bad one. Props to his murdurer!!!
  13. BASCH IS HOT!!!! That says all. And he isn't so over-dramatic like the Tinman! XD

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

I could not hate Rusty, but I don't love him. Anyone who spends two disks yelling at Zidane and cheering on Queen Thunder Thighs is gonna get no love from me. Drake Clawfang

Uhh, no Drake, at the opening battle scene, It was Basch who's kicking asses. His bro captures him in the throne room, waaay later.
Even better. Hey, I just started the game, gimme a break. >< Drake Clawfang

Great. Now Illua lost. I must be bad luck or something. BlueLionheart

If thats true, and you make Basch lose, I'm not going to be very happy. . . you know what that means. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

In Basch's defense maybe he wouldn't be so bland if he were the Main character(like he was susposed to be) of FFXII. Still wouldn't be as cool as Steiner though. Who has Basch's knightly sense of duty but WAY more personality. --Anony

Hey Maj; "Basch fon Ronsenburg" is easier to spell than "Albert Steiner" is, without a doubt, THE DUMBEST thing I have ever heard someone say on this wiki that was not Eileen. How many people misspell "Albert"? Steiner, the worst people might do is get the i and the e round the wrong way. "Basch"; "Bask", "Bashk", don't even get me started. "Von", "Fon", "Ron". "Ronsenburg", "Rosenburg", "Rosnenbarg"... these are just a few of the misspellings I've seen for this ridiculous character's ridiculous name. --Gold 09:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I guess Basch is a little better than Vaan. --BlueHighwind 12:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
At least the only mistake you could make with that would be "Van" :P--Gold 13:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I was totally thinking the same thing about Maj's comment. Spelling Adelbert Steainer IS WAY easier than Basch whatever-his-name.
If that is the case then why did you just misspell his name. :P--Oranejo 16:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Why has almost everyone misspelled either Adelbert or Steiner in the process of saying it's easier to spell? And by the way, Goldberry, ALBERT IS NOT ADELBERT.
The reason I miss-spelt it was probably due to the fact that my dog was randomly barking at me. Are you and my dog in some conspiracy against me? O.o Only kidding, of course. I actually realized I miss-spelt it just a second before before pressing "Save Page." Just my luck. :P
One must wonder why the spelling of a character's name matters at all. -Master Conjurer 19:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, it doesn't matter - hence, we've pointed that out to Maj, as Gold said, that it's "THE DUMBEST thing", ESPECIALLY in this case as Maj was completely wrong about which was easier to spell.
Well, gotta agree with Maj.H. Saying Basch is easy t(Bash), but try to spell Adelbert, even the guy thet tries to spell it ends up with Albert. And besides, who gives a floating crap about names? Leon5550
I'm not suprised about who Leon has decided to side with, since he is Maj.H. I usually side with myself in arguments too. --BlueHighwind 00:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
And u know the most interesting bit is? People mispelled it exactly where I told them where. Major H or Leon
...why are we making such a fuss about another one of Leon's golden comments? As if we weren't used to them by now, seriously. Faethinverba volant

Lolz at Pylraster's coment!

Let me remind you folks its a Steiner vs Basch, not Vivi vs Basch.Maj.H

Things like that aren't that uncommon. It's no worse than voting for/against a character just because of the game they're in or some other trivial reasons of the like. And it's not like most of Steiner's vote so far are like that. Anony

Ahahawww man, the guy who changed Steiner's pic really hates him! Now hardly anyone wants to vote for Steiner... YAY!! Maj.H

It's funny too, Steiner still looks cooler than Basch does. Then again I (actually)like the Amano stuff and the regular Artwork for FFIX about the same. AnonyMan

Steiner always looks like he swallowed 500 warheads. ChaosEsperVII

Yeah, but Basch looks silly with his bare chest deal. It also seems impractical in a fight. Deoxyribose
Yeah right! He's just showing of the sexy. ChaosEsperVII
Steiner doesn't even need to show it off for people to know he's sexy. Deoxyribose
Thats because he isnt sexy, make Basch wear any clothes and he's still badass Maj.H

yes ChaosEsper, cause we all know the XII crew wouldnt have made it halfway through the game if they werent all halfnaked, cause they could wear heavy armor but their defense goes up 87 points when they wear nothing Eternal Twilight

Hey but isn't that true for any Final Fantasy? Bad guys and Chaos Espers recognize and acknowledge the sexy, no matter who it is as long as they flaunt it. ChaosEsperVII

They're both pretty ugly. But the difference is Steiner looks cool(in addition to being a better character), decent looking rusty armor>looking like you dressed in the dark with your hands tied. Anony

Hey look, TacticAngel is behind again on making a new fight. A Chronic issue here at the Dragon's Neck Colosseum. =( --BlueHighwind 12:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

People voting for empty characters on the basis that they're "hot" really make me laugh.

Week 82: Illua v. Edea[edit source]

53½ to 24½
Its hard to imagine there isn't a favorite in this bout, but, can a relatively unknown from one of the lowest selling modern Final Fantasies dethrone the seductively evil face of black magic?

Votes for Illua[edit source]

  1. Vestras Gotta give the girl some love. At her best, Edea could manage a nasty Ice Lance, but this girl can lay waste to your whole party! Sorry Sorceress, gonna vote Illua.
  2. N/A 03:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  3. Ultimateria: No contest.
  4. Facky I Agree With Ultimateria
  5. Maj.H 1)She wears a katana. 2) "Nightshade" sound good 3)At least she don't have a shower curtain straped in her back. 4) She doesnt wear a garbage bag as a robe.
  6. Vitor - Hard to decide even after reading both wiki articles... I guess my vote goes to Illua, if only for style.
  7. Hard desiscion seeing as I barely know either of them. Luckly, I remembered that magic and weapons beats plain old magic.--Otherarrow 10:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  8. TSD11:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. SeKaLoYa: I never got into Tactics so I don't know much, but she does look a lot better in terms of design.
  10. "She doesn't wear a garbage bag as a robe..."... now that I think of it.... anyway, Illua summoned a demon through her ancient book and died in the process. Edea went back to being a principal's wife. Play TA2 once, I bet you'll like it more than VIII. 8bit 15:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  11. Aleria: I feel bad for her 'cause she's going to get smoked, and she's cool looking.
  12. Zach Leo Cheese: Voting for Illua because this is really a test/throw away vote as it is my first!
  13. OwlEye: I could give a monkey a labtop, then shoot it and the reflex of it's fingers twitching would create a better character then Edea.
  14. BlueLionheart: Illua is really cool. I haven't gotten to meet her on my game yet, but I really want to!!!
  15. Sinh: I like the "bad" Edea but I hate the real Edea.
  16. Hexed
  17. Pikmin Master: Even though Illua dies, I still perfer her. Plus, I actually played A2 and not VIII.
  18. Deadlyslashsword: I haven't played either, but I'll go with Illua. Half pity vote, half she's hotter.
  19. A-Man: Never really did like Edea, plus i have to agree with some of these people, Illua looks better not just in what she's wearing and her style, plus she is hotter, which basically goes without saying. Plus i like the Ivalice Alliance games a lot.
  20. Sora G. Strife 11:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC) Moe.
  21. I lke Illua. She has her own Grimiore and has groovy equipment. Plus the only thing I liked about 8 Was the Gunblade. Ultima The High Seraph
  22. Goth isn't sexy at all. But I'll vote Illua just to go against the grain. RowdyCMoore

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. She looks prettier
  2. I must oppose BH the Edea Fanboy. Plus Illua has a katana, and that raises her coolness by at least 3 if not 3.5. Oh and Edea comes from that abysmal FF known as 8, so she a loser by assocation
  3. Seeing as I believe that FFVIII virtually had no plot and that I'm basically addicted to A2 at the moment, and I want the Nightshade class, my vote shall go to my obsession. At the moment.
  4. I still haven't beaten Illua in FFTA2, so she gets my vote - Mikadoxeno
  5. I'm voting for Illua not because I like the character better, but because she was a ridiculously annoying boss--particularly in the final battle. Man if you're not prepared, Illua can drag the fight out for hours. Not to mention the monsters that pop-up from time to time. Edea, by contrast, you can beat by hammering away at her with no strategy in fifteen minutes, AT MOST. Now where's the fun in that?

Votes for Edea[edit source]

  1. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I don't mind starting this slaughter.
  2. Gotta vote for one of the three or four decent characters in VIII. Drake Clawfang
  3. Edea follows the all-too-common rule in FF games that the coolest characters are in the party for the shortest amount of time. Deoxyribose
  4. Edea just pawns that simple. Corrino
  5. Yes finally I vote for my favorite Sorceress *Drool* The King of the Loveless
  6. Even if I didn't know who Edea was like with the opposition, she's still cooler. Hope Edea fries Illua even though she seems to favor Ice. AnonyMan
  7. Duh. --SCM
  8. Edea nearly rules the world, kills the main character in 1 attack (it still counts even though he was brought back), and corrupts the minds of a whole country, in less then a week, not even everyones precious Sephiroth has matched up to that. --Gyromite
  9. Super Sephiroth:Yes, Edea has another chance. Fuck you, Illua
  10. Rihya - Lots of the main reasons why Edea wins have alredy been said, so I'll just add another one: she was responsible for what's probably the best speech ever made on a Final Fantasy game.
  11. Ameria - No Contest.
  12. Chaltier:Cause she's COOL as ICE ;D
  13. BlueHighwind Edea deserves to be in a better game then FFVIII. She is the Queen of Darkness, and was way too cool for that game. Edea was so incredibly awesome, that despite not actually being the main villain of the game, she's on the Box Cover! She's in the opening movie! Where is Ultimecia? Nowhere but in my nightmares!!
  14. CoD ^_^ Are you serious? Everyone that has voted for Illua so far have never played VIII, that pretty much sums this up.
  15. Lockhart Yep.
  16. Faethinverba volant :I like her speech. Some good rhetorics. And I like how she looks during the ending.
  17. ChiefKakashi: Edea vs. who?
  18. 2127: Everybody's doing it!
  19. I don't know who this Illua woman is, so I must go with Sorceress Edea FTW. --Tex HOWDY!!! 21:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  20. JudgeZarbi 21:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  21. PietroFF: Although I liked A2, I prefer Edea.
  22. Even though I like Illua to some degree, Edea could kick her ass anyday! ~ Angel of Heresy 22:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  23. Conjurer: I hadn't heard Illua until just now, y'know?
  24. Konira: I didn't wanna get mixed up in this one but Edea is way too pretty and complex for me to not like her. Besides, you get to use her and she learned her lesson in the end and now Cid and Edea can be happy.
  25. BritBoy: Badass, hot, and one of the good guys deep down, no contest
  26. User:Leiber_Mage: I agree with ChiefKakashi, Edea against a total unknown? Please...
  27. Yumino~
  28. Bobo: Just some random vote since I dont know either charactor
  29. Crazyswordsman: I feel guilty doing this. I don't like supporting temporary PCs who get more backstory than the permanent ones...
  30. ChaosEsperVII: Edea made FFVIII good.
  31. Rainacide: At first when I first played FFVIII, Edea sorta gave me the shivers but now that I look at it, she's pretty damn sexy and pretty sinister under Ultimecia's control. She doesn't need a weapon to fight either and she was all the lito boys fantasies at the Orphanage haha.
  32. Mateus: Never heard the name of Illua before. So my vote goes to Edea.
  33. [[Vanishing Star: Illua was pretty strong, but, one of the worst villians ever. Edea was brilliant and evil, even if she was under Ultimecia's control. She even seemed to kill Squall in one attack, but, even though the ice went through him... he didn't share Aerith's fate. Haha.
  34. Squallinoa_08: Of course I'm gonna vote for Edea. She's a Final Fantasy VIII character and she's a kick ass Sorceress.
  35. Aramis: Who the hell is Illua?
  36. BfD 20:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC): Haven't played TA2 yet, but Edea has a kick-ass battle theme, and a lot of other good things.
  37. Rocking Chair I had a dream that Jimmy Page told me to vote for EDEA :S
  38. Fonzyboi the plot may suck, but she still stands out, even without ultimecia in her.(ultimecia sucks too)
  39. MardukKurios Edea is my favorite Sorceress! She is so mega-awesome, cool and kind that she'll win no matter what! She is married with Cid Kramer - and THATs the fact she won't loose! XD
  40. Jammi568: Obviously
  41. User:Zodiark KnightVII: #1THE BEST SPEECH EVER! and the fact she kicks your teams ass and the alexander summon
  42. Pylraster: Edea said my scars were cute and she liked my teeth...♥....
  43. Drake:She's from a decent game, she's a decent character. That's really all that's neede, given her opponent.
  44. Henryacores:Edea has character development. Ilua is the suckiest villan ever...
  45. MCMLXXXIV: I don't know that Edea is the best villain in Final Fantasy like a lot of people, but she is pretty neat, and the TA series is pretty much the suck.
  46. Aveyond06: Edea's a very worked character, and very old (lasts from before Final Fantasy 6. Also, Edea's got a very good style and attacks that are better than the average attack rate when she joins the party. As villain, Edea is very credible, even though controlled by Ultimecia.
  47. RogueTomato: My vote goes to Edea because I have no who Ilua is. And I really enjoyed FFVIII.
  48. Etch: she was the matron

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Edea will win over anyone in my book!
  2. Edea will so win.
  3. Edea kicks ass. I don't even know who illua is, but edea can kick her ass. Ice palm ftw
  4. Yumiko: Ice Strike!
  5. Even though it was Ultimecia controlling her, she took over a country and tried for the rest of the world. Not to mention her ice attacks are the best.
  6. Edea is a godsend for all who hate FF8 - because such people can play to the end of Disc 1, think that Squall has died, and end the game there satisfied. And this is thanks to Edea's Ice Strike attack. ^^
  7. Edea could probebly kick her ass. ohhh and like hey! Edea where here befor that kid Illua!Edea....she´s a classic ^^
  8. I never played Tactics A2 and I love FF8 so I give my vote to Edea.
  9. i love rocking chair's vote so i have to agree with him and jimmy page XD
  10. As much as I love to say that Illua character looks awesome (and she really does) Edea wins this hands down.
  11. love the dress on Edea, the "Kuja" mWardrobe on Illua was so 2000.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

Surprised BH haven't voted yet, get ready for thelongest lecture of your life when he does. Maj.H

As cool as the SeeD are, I always though that Edea's assassination plan was dumb. Why lower the gate rousing her suspicion and caution? She could have easily been sniped regardless. Granted she blocked the shot but it wouldn't look as stupid it hadn't set her up to do it.AnonyMan

YAY! My fight! Thanks TA :D Hopefully it doesn't turn into a blowout... 8bit 15:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Illua Anon vote # 4 gave me a chuckle with their comment of FFVIII. "Had no plot", wow if you don't pay attention to the story no FF game has a plot then.--AnonyMan

No matter how bad FFVIII's plot is, it can't be worse then FFTA2. From what I can tell from our Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift page, the story seems to just to come crashing to a violent halt after Ewan steals the Magicite. Certainly our valiant FFTA2 editors haven't left anything out, right? --BlueHighwind 21:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Vitor - Certainly they did. I'd finish it up myself if I were confident enough in telling it without making it look horrible. And really, the focus tends to be more on Khamja than Illua, since Illua only holds importance in 2-4 story missions and that's about it. While ... maybe half (probably a third) of the story missions and some side ones have focus on Khamja in general rather than the people in it. And that's only a fraction of the game. FFTA2 isn't that straightforward, though I like some of the side stuff.
It's Ewen, not Ewan >.> And I'll answer your call to fill out more of FFTA2's plot, maybe it'll reel in a few more votes for Illua. As for "valiant editors", nearly everything on the wiki about VIII is thanks to Netherith. 8bit 23:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
You should really try A2, BH. I already did, but I only beat to tell myself that I beat it. Pikmin Master 00:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Can I turn off the Law System? If there's Laws in the game, then I'm not playing it. --BlueHighwind 00:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone else find it stupid when someone votes and says "oh (name of competitor being voted for) is the greatest best character in the series", and then right after that they're like, btw who is (name of person they didnt vote for).Eternal Twilight 09:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I never played Grimoire of the Rift, so my vote would of course be biased. Then again, I can't stand Edea, so maybe not ... 11:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I really like both characters but throwing in my vote for Edea would just be overkill and voting for Illua would be a waste of time. Does anyone care enough about this fight to sway my vote? ChocoboRider

Well I haven't been very active, nor have I posted this rant in a while, but why the hell do people vote for one side, if they don't know the other character, much less played the game? If you don't know what's happening, then you DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. Are you REALLY going to make yourself seem stupid by making an uneducated, blind vote? I've seen people voting like this every time and it really annoys me that people are putting their opinions in, when THEIR OPINIONS DON'T MATTER dudutsai

If I thought my opinions had to matter, I'd never say anything. RowdyCMoore
Who are you to say that whose opinion matters and whose opinion doesn't? For one, if you think that people are coming into this issue blind, then you should expand the Illua article, so that they can learn. For two, if people like Edea, they'll vote for her even if they don't understand the competition. Like me. --BlueHighwind 02:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Vitor - What's there to learn? That article explains everything but her moves. And her moves are explained in a job page. And certainly an annoying foe. Dimensional Rift. Abyssal Slash. SHEOL! SHEOL! SHEOL!
I didn't vote cause I've never played TA2, but if people haven't played the game, then I don't think they should vote for either side. The Wiki page can only give you so much, as you don't get to see every appearance of the character and the situation. It's like taking the character out of context. There is no character that has that extensive of a wiki page.... other than Cloud. -dudutsai
that's not fair to say people who haven't played both games don't matter and have no place here. it's an opinion poll and people vote for fun. it's not that much of a big deal who wins either way.
I can see where you might get your opinion; however, Final Fantasy Tactics characters have beaten Final Fantasy # characters. There are plenty of really dumb reasons people vote the way they do (RE: Aeris). Actually, come to think of it, I don't think Final Fantasy Tactics Advance has ever had a character win a DNC fight. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Marche v. Ramza. Ramza won because Marche's sword is stupid. --BlueHighwind 22:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Week 81: Firion v. Bartz[edit source]


38½ to 30½
Tonight we bring you the final climatic battle between two main characters of the Final Fantasy series. For years, the Internet has been filled with the fires of fanwankery as forums and flames debate over which is the superior. The fanboys have fought and died couragously for their cause... Wait no, that's Cloud v. Squall. Sorry. Instead we have something completely different: Bartz v. Firion. Remember those old dudes?

Votes for Firion[edit source]

  1. Because he looks bad-ass in Dissidia. Drake Clawfang
  2. Firion is awesome, and he is even more awesome in Dissidia, and he is the only character that really made any sense in II. Gyromite
  3. Blykus 06:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. Conjurer: FFII is, in my opinion, the second-best game in the series. This makes Firion the second-best game's protagonist.
  5. He made it into dissidia end of. Ultima The High Seraph
  6. Lockhart
  7. Chocobo Knight
  8. Henryacores: Because he doesn't need the Crystal's power to master swords, lances, staves, knifes, axes, bows, white magic or black magic. In six words: Firion is the true Freelancer, period.
  9. Never liked Bartz...Liked Firion, I wonder who I will vote for?--Otherarrow 16:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  10. Hate Bartz, Firion is awesome - PietroFF
  11. Faethin: The first hero of Final Fantasy that bore a name.
  12. The king of the Loveless: Firion is one of the coolest main characters ever.
  13. Pikmin Master: The player can do so much with Firion. He is more balanced, so to say, than Bartz. Plus, FFII is unique in that the gameplay might just make sense. FFV, like most FF games, have set jobs with set abilities. With Firion and the other FFII guys, You can dual wield right away.
  14. 8bit: Blood Sword, n00bs!
  15. Firionklauser: Some of you might think I'm nuts, but I liked II a bit better than V. I just think Firion is cooler than ol' Bartz.
  16. User:KoniraThax: He's Firion, main man for FF2 (One of the best) and get's to pal around with Guy, Maria & Leon.
  17. Elris4: I always saw Firion as an embodiement of FF. Not sure why, but I do.
  18. [[XiaTheFatalWhispher 20:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)]]: Bartz is such a loser. Firion's hotter than him anyway.
  19. Otens: No hate, just wanted to go along with Firion.
  20. Pylraster: I can't eat Firion because he's on the GBA, so he wins my vote.
  21. Sinh
  22. I Lion Heart I: Bartz sucks in comparison to Firion.
  23. User:Mooglebane:Firion was a totally the best character in FF 2, he was kick but with Excalibur+Sunblade. So much better then Bartz
  24. Yumino
  25. bartz's original name was buttz.sabata13
  26. FFII is the most underrated game in the series. But it does good for bieng the first with character stories. Plus frion is the best Protaginist ever. Nothing phases him.--Muchomas35 15:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  27. He was the first RPG character with a personality.Zack2222
  28. Bartz was a rubbish main character, the worst in my opinion. At least Firion had no personality to make him suck, rather than having one and it being awful. --Adam Mcduck
  29. Goldberry2000: Bartz was a shit main character. Firion wasn't amazing, but still buries the chocobo riding dweeb over there with one hand tied behind his back.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. bartz is a tit
  2. Firion was just there first, and looks amazing in Dysidia
  3. Haven't played ffv but props to firion for being the first actual protaganist in the series. good for him :P

Votes for Bartz[edit source]

  1. Bartz clearly has the advantage. He's got a whole list of classes to work from, I'm thinking MageKnight/Ninja hybrid. That's gotta hurt. Plus, he has more personality and is more memorable a character than poor Firion - Vestras
  2. In terms of strength, Bartz would win against Firion as he can switch to many different character classes and use a variety of abilities.
  3. Firion is almost a non-character, like the Warriors of Light. We know nothing about him, other than the fact that his parents are dead. I'm surprised that this even made the list. Gravity Bomb 05:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. YuanchosaanSalutations! 07:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  5. --SCM 07:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  6. JudgeZarbi
  7. At least he doesn't wear blue lipstick. Leon5550
  8. Despite FFV's largely uninteresting cast, Bartz is probably my favorite the the main Party(Galuf being the coolest no doubt, however). Firion's got nothing on him, and Bartz has his companion, the very cool Boco. --AnonyMan 12:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  9. He rides a chocobo. ChocoboRider
  10. BlueHighwind: It's called "Rapid Fire + Doublehand + Holy". Battle is over.
  11. SephirothAnger Firion got a cooler name, but Bartz fought Omega Weapon and won. This pretty much ends the fight.
  12. Draga He is the owner of Boco. Simple as that.
  13. SamJaz He does have a huge selection of Job class abilities to choose from and to combine, making him easily the most versatile named hero of the final fantasy series. Even without those abilities, he still has decent fighting skills and can even take on far more experienced heroes one one one, but he still looks out for his party. Besides, he isn't a social failure like half of the final fantasy heroes.
  14. OwlEye 1. Job System 2. Boco 3. After the senior citizen dies he's the only male main character & 4. We haven't even seen what he'll look like in Dissidia yet. This one is no contest
  15. Rydiaofmist: He had a more interesting personality than Firion.
  16. I vote for Butz/Bartz/the dude from V.--Oranejo 15:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  17. BlueLionheart: Bartz is one of my favorite heroes because he's so dumb. I haven't had the pleasure of playing as Firion yet.
  18. Rainacide: Bartz is a pimp! All he ever want to do was go explore the world riding on his chocobo, Boko. That's G status, game over for Firion.
  19. Black Mage Zemekis: Bartz has a story and doesn't look like a freak.
  20. Pablo618: I don't think Bartz is actually that bad, I liked him
  21. Rihya - I have nothing against Firion, but I think Bartz has a better story (or should I say: at least Bartz has a story). Plus, Final Fantasy V is an awesome game!
  22. 2127
  23. Hexed
  24. VN: he's a comic relief
  25. Shinryu: he may do/say dumb things and has fear of highs, but he's funny and likes (loves?) a badass pirate, plus he can pwn anything with Dual Wield [insert two powerful weapons] + Rapid Fire + Spellblade Flare.
  26. Aleria: He has a pet chocobo.
  27. Deoxyribose: 2Swords + X-Fight = Win.
  28. Etch: never was a big fan of v or bartz for that matter but ive never played 2 so i wouldnt know what firion is like
  29. Tex HOWDY!!! 04:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  30. dudutsai: AHAHAHA they both suck! Butz wins because his name.. hehe buttz
  31. Johnstrelley: Bartz has some of the best lines in Final Fantasy V, the best humour in the entire series, and isn't a pussy like Firion, who moans about being an orphan and blah blah in his orphan fanclub. Bartz would have killed his own father if there was a funny side to it. Also, we know that Bartz gets laid, thanks to the FFV OVA. He joins the Club with Wakka who porked Lulu. THAT'S WHY I VOTE FOR BARTZ. What a fucking ramble...
  32. Deadlyslashsword: Even more impressive than defeating Exdeath, Bartz learned how to play the piano! Now THAT takes some serious skill.
  33. Scottyboy4: 5>2 simple as that.
  34. Rocking Chair Ironic. I was wondering which walkthrough i should do after Final Fantasy I and it is still a toss up between II and V. I like Bartz a little bit more but only cause his sprite and in game image looks cool as.
  35. Aramis: Well, atleast Bartz actually TALKS in the game.
  36. Dancin': First off Bartz is a badass. Second he doesn't wear eye shadow like Firion.

Anonymous Votes[edit source]

  1. Bartz has 3 ladies in waiting.
  2. He is in FFV, the best FF game ever in terms of content (almost every job class ever created in one game!)
  3. Bartz is the manliest protagonist that the series has ever seen. He gets not one, not two, but THREE hot bitches. Two of them are sisters, and one of them is a loli. And all three of them are princesses. It just doesn't get much more badass than that.
  4. I find I like both characters on the same level, so I'll go with Bartz simply cos I liked FF5 more than FF2.
  5. Bartz only beats out Firion because of the leveling system of FFII. What the hell was that about? Kicking YOUR OWN ASS to get stronger.

Peanut Gallery[edit source]

UmmI would pick Bartz because he has a somewhat cool backstory ... Why has Seifer v Kadaj been called a draw? The score is just outside of the 10% margin required to win. --SCM 07:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and whoever said Bartz is a tit, grow up. --SCM 07:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
How can anyone be as immature as that? JudgeZarbi

Ok people, let's rewrite the law of math and common sense, because from this day on, 45.5 = 41!!!! Great job guys, u make me look smart. Leon5550

Conjurer: Are you really too stupid to realize that 4.5 is less than 10% of 45.5? That means that there is less than a 10% margin, and therefore a tie. It's too bad they really don't make Leon5550 look smart, because he sure can't.
@Leon, it says at the top draws may be called if the competitors are within 10% of each other. 10% of 45 is 4.5, but 10% of 41 is 4.1. Which one do we use? JudgeZarbi
@ Conjurer: Well, soooory but I'm using my common sense (it's so rare theese days, they start putting it as a superpower) to see that 45.5 > 41, and i'vent noticed the 10% thing. Leon5550
'Of each other' technically means in both ranges, so use the lower score. --SCM 12:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Therefore Seifer won. JudgeZarbi 12:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Ten percent of 45 is 4.5. The battle falls within the 10% range for a tie. Also, TA originalled tallied it as 45 to 41, which is still a tie, I merely corrected him. Drake Clawfang
This 10% tie thing is stupid. If one side is winning by half a point, then that side should win. Done. El Fin. --BlueHighwind 14:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Exactly JudgeZarbi 14:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Amusing how no one complains about the tie system until it results in a tie that you don't like. Drake Clawfang
Isn't it? JudgeZarbi 14:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that is because the previous ties were actually ties. Kadaj outright lost in the last fight. Maybe you guys should make it like Volleyball where one side needs to win by at least two votes in order to be declared the winner. I do not really care about the last fight since I did not even vote, but a four vote margin is kind of big to be called a draw.--Oranejo 15:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
On the subject of draws, I instituted the draw because we have had things come down to the line. I chose, specifically, a percentage because it is the least arbitrary. I can remember the uproar when Amano won. I took over the DNC shortly after that and instituted the rule to respect the opinions of all voters. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 21:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
@TA, if you're going to institute a percentage, you need to specify whether it's from the winner's vote count or the loser's vote count. JudgeZarbi 21:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, two things. First, remember this is Firion vs Bartz, not Firion vs Boco. Second, Bartz may not wear blue lipstick, but that's only because he's already wearing purple lickstick, which goes better with his grey skin. Drake Clawfang

Bartz has brown hair. The game programmers wisely chose to ignore Amano and his art completley. --BlueHighwind 15:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Which is what led to that CG render. You know full well that while Amano's designs may be odd sometimes, he's never given anyone grey skin. Drake Clawfang

I CANNOT believe Kadaj lost!!! Oh well. I also have to agree with BlueHighwind. I can only IMAGINE what would have happened if they didn't!!! BlueLionheart

This is a tough one. Haven't played FFV yet, but FFII is turning out to be the second most annoying game of the series. RowdyCMoore

I heard that. I played through that game with almost no idea what the heck I was doing. How I beat it, I don't know. But I never could get through Soul of Rebirth. --BlueHighwind 21:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Why did you change the fight description, Drake? I like TA's occasional bouts of randomness and quirkiness. -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 01:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Because it ws merely the original fight description of the last match, if you'll look - as seems to be common now, BlueHighwind and I had to fix up TA's slips. Drake Clawfang

You wanna talk about a frustrating game to get good at, play MGS4. just beat it on the extreme difficulty with no alarms, kills, deaths, health items used, in under 5 hours. i almost wanted to start ripping my hair out at some parts. the games still unbelievable, best game ive ever played to say the least. i donno how confusing ff2 is but after beating that game i feel like i can take on anything, so i might as well. Etch

Yea, I kno how u feel, I'm currently trying to get Big Boss rank, and the thought of suicide crossed my mind once in a while, I'm also currently trying to get Foxhound rank in MGS3.

Bringing up the tie thing without the ever decreasing column widths, the 10% thing is usually only applied when there are tens to hundreds of thousands of votes, and there is a possibility that some were overlooked. When there are 80 votes total, it's not really issue. 17:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

That rule was put in before we had 80 active voters. --SCM 02:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The rule was put into place when we dealt with ~40 votes per week. Its actually the magna carte of DNC rules. I suggest you learn deal with it or move on. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
It's actually the dumbest thing I've ever seen, Magna Carta or no. I suggest whoever came up with it take a statistics course in junior kindergarten. YOU DO NOT NEED A MARGIN OF ERROR FOR FEWER THAN 1000 VOTES. I thought that was just ... the way brains are supposed to work. 08:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
It's because there's an argument whenever a victor is declared in a close match. Like it or not, we have to live with it. But I still say the 10% should be taken from the lower score. --SCM 09:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Otens: Hey Xia dood, pay attention to where you post your vote. I moved it from the 'Do not add below this line' thing. I may get in trouble for it, I'll never know because I'll disappear anyway for a bit.

Yikes. Tempers are really flaring over that whole Seifer thing, huh? Gravity Bomb 10:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Conjurer: No kidding. Shouldn't strict percentage-based rules cut down on that sort of thing?
@Conjurer: They should, but TA doesn't say whether it's from the top score or bottom.

Firionklauser: What is up with so many people liking Galuf? He has to be one of the worst main chars ever. And, about this whole percentage thing, I think if you have more votes, you win. Everyone has a fair shot in voting, and if you weren't able to, tough beans. It's kinda weird to say it's a tie and then you see the score clearly as 45.5 > 41.

I agree there. But what's so bad about Galuf, why do you think he's such a terrible main character?

If TA dares call this one a draw, I will kill him. JudgeZarbi 17:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Of corse not, cant u see Firion's winning? Maj.H

Firionklauser: I dunno, we all have our preferences when it comes to our favorites. I just see Galuf as some old boring guy. Although, granted, the scene where he and Bartz "see" Faris is entertaining, i'll give him that.

I can see that. Given's V's lackluster story as well as lackluster characters(even the cool ones) they don't leave much an impression. AnonyMan 03:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


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